Tidbits of Curiosity

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Who are you referring to here?

Sorry, yes, I meant 'only elf', ie, Maeglin.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Put Morwen on some antidepressants, for god's sake!

Ai, Morwen... her death is so depressing. "Hey, husband - our kids are dead, so I may as well give up. How's you?"

I hope Nienna had a nice sympathetic chat with that entire house before Mandos sent them on their way.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Sorry, yes, I meant 'only elf', ie, Maeglin.

That is....a rather disturbing spin on the whole thing. Also, I suppose that this is also your answer to this question

Originally Posted by Urwen

A certain fanfiction writer posited that dead souls can be counter-summoned by Morgoth to do his bidding. What if he did that with Maeglin?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Ai, Morwen... her death is so depressing. "Hey, husband - our kids are dead, so I may as well give up. How's you?"

I was thinking more about "My younger child died of illness so I'm just gonna neglect the older one".

Originally Posted by HS

I hope Nienna had a nice sympathetic chat with that entire house before Mandos sent them on their way.

Grief counselling is a thing... Seriously though, that family just has an abnormal share of terrible things happen to them. I would like to see Nienna and Mandos make some extra effort with them.

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I was thinking more about "My younger child died of illness so I'm just gonna neglect the older one".



Grief counselling is a thing... Seriously though, that family just has an abnormal share of terrible things happen to them. I would like to see Nienna and Mandos make some extra effort with them.

But none of la familia ended up in Mandos, so I doubt that they're under jurisdiction of those two.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

But none of la familia ended up in Mandos, so I doubt that they're under jurisdiction of those two.

A little kindness wouldn't hurt.

The Valar kind of gave Men the short end of the stick. Elves got the attention, and the guidance, and a cozy corner in the house; it was their choice to do what they did. Men never had so much love or such a choice. Their fate is not bound to this world so what, the Valar have no responsibility for them? They get stuck with Morgoth and just have to deal with it. House of Hador gets the sucks even more than the rest. And Hurin even argues theology with Morgoth, he stands by what he has learned about the Valar from the Elves. Is it not at least slightly decent to give that family some recognition? We're not talking about judgement or jurisdiction, just a kind word (or maybe even a "thank you", if not an "I'm sorry"?).

Not to mention that Turin may have the power to one day vanquish Morgoth and you want him to not hate you ^.^

[Urwen]

Funny how this thread went from discussing Maeglin to discussing la familia.


(Not that I mind, as both topics have my interest, but it's still funny)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Funny how this thread went from discussing Maeglin to discussing la familia.


(Not that I mind, as both topics have my interest, but it's still funny)

What I am enjoying most is not closing the Downs page for hours now, going between this thread and the Quiz room endlessly. This much activity only ever happens in Werewolf games! It's great!

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

What I am enjoying most is not closing the Downs page for hours now, going between this thread and the Quiz room endlessly. This much activity only ever happens in Werewolf games! It's great!

Me too. Let's see how fast you guess the remaining two

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

A little kindness wouldn't hurt.

The Valar kind of gave Men the short end of the stick. Elves got the attention, and the guidance, and a cozy corner in the house; it was their choice to do what they did. Men never had so much love or such a choice. Their fate is not bound to this world so what, the Valar have no responsibility for them? They get stuck with Morgoth and just have to deal with it. House of Hador gets the sucks even more than the rest. And Hurin even argues theology with Morgoth, he stands by what he has learned about the Valar from the Elves. Is it not at least slightly decent to give that family some recognition? We're not talking about judgement or jurisdiction, just a kind word (or maybe even a "thank you", if not an "I'm sorry"?).

Not to mention that Turin may have the power to one day vanquish Morgoth and you want him to not hate you ^.^

I think there is reason to hope for exactly this. Obviously the idea of Men going to Nienna's halls for judgement is out, but consider this:

-Tolkien Gateway gives, unsourced, the statement that the name 'Halls of Awaiting' refers to the fact that Men and Elves await their different fates in Mandos.

-The Valaquenta tells us that 'all those who wait in Mandos cry to' Nienna, 'for she brings strength to the spirit and turns sorrow to wisdom'.

We know how much Tolkien liked to keep and adapt old ideas rather than just throwing them out; it's perfectly reasonable to think that, where once Fui was the cruel judge of mortals, now Nienna is their kind listening ear and shoulder to cry on, to help them get their heads in order before they head on Out.

Shades of Death of the Endless here, I know, but in a setting where even Feanor just gets put in permanent time-out, I think we have to assume Turin and Nienor at least get a hug.

hS

[Urwen]

I just realized that Turin and Tuor have something in common: they both killed an Elf (or Elves, in Turin's case). I feel that this is an interesting parallel.

[Urwen]

Also, is it just me, or is Tuor glaring at Maeglin in this picture?





Maybe he realized the truth early on?


(Image credit to Kazuki-MENDOU)

[Urwen]

Any thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by Urwen

I just realized that Turin and Tuor have something in common: they both killed an Elf (or Elves, in Turin's case). I feel that this is an interesting parallel.