Riddles in the Downs

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

It's Caradgur and Amon Gwareth, actually. Those two cliffs are separate, and the map shows so too, so I don't know why does everyone seem to think it's the same cliff. :<

Amon Gwareth/Gwared, "Hill of Watching", is the name of the entire mount on which Gondolin stands. It has one named cliff, Caragdûr, "Dark Spike", on the north side, over which Eol was thrown. That's why the map shows the 'hill' colouration dipping in at Caragdûr, to indicate the cliff.

So... do my various efforts at 'cliffs wot people got shoved off' count as a correct guess, taken in the aggregate? ?

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Amon Gwareth/Gwared, "Hill of Watching", is the name of the entire mount on which Gondolin stands. It has one named cliff, Caragdûr, "Dark Spike", on the north side, over which Eol was thrown. That's why the map shows the 'hill' colouration dipping in at Caragdûr, to indicate the cliff.

So... do my various efforts at 'cliffs wot people got shoved off' count as a correct guess, taken in the aggregate? ?

hS

Yes, they do.

[Huinesoron]

Well, then:

West of the Sea my line arose;
In the Heart of the Sea we prospered;
East of the Sea we grew strong.

Now East of the Sea I dwell;
In the West of the land I call home;
In the Heart of the hero forever.

hS

[Urwen]

Sounds like Phary (who is the spiritual successor of Meglin)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Sounds like Phary (who is the spiritual successor of Meglin)

It is not, and there is (for the first time in a week or two) no Maeglin connection at all. At no point did Ar-Pharazon dwell east of the Sea, and I'm pretty sure every hero around did their best to forget about him.

(Unless you were thinking of the monument to him at Umbar, but that wasn't in the West of anything... either way, it's not him.)

hS

[Urwen]

Well, Phary did sail West, and is now trapped in the cave in westlands.

[Urwen]

Galadriel?






West of the Sea my line arose; - Born from Houses of Finwe and Olwe
In the Heart of the Sea we prospered; - Her mother's kin were skilled seafarers, under the protection of Uinen
East of the Sea we grew strong. - In Beleriand and later, in Middle Earth

Now East of the Sea I dwell; - Middle Earth
In the West of the land I call home; - She misses Tirion
In the Heart of the hero forever. - Via her grand-daughter

[Huinesoron]

Not Galadriel, and you're not particularly close to what I was going for with most of the lines - but there is a pretty strong Galadriel connection, as it happens.

Note that line 5 could also be written as 'In the western parts of my homeland'; it's not meant to imply anything about longing for anywhere, so sorry for my clumsy language use.

hS

[Urwen]

Nimrodel then?


Or Mithrellas, the ancestress of the line of Dol Amroth?

[Huinesoron]

Weren't they Silvan, with no Valinorean heritage? Either way, it's not either of them, and you were right about the first line pointing at Aman.

hS

[Huinesoron]

West of the Sea my line arose;
In the Heart of the Sea we prospered;
East of the Sea we grew strong.

Now East of the Sea I dwell;
In the West of the land I call home;
In the Heart of the hero forever.

Two hints:

1. This is a single individual living far from their kin.
2. The hero is described as such by Tolkien (and on one occasion as the chief hero of the story).

(Previous hints are that there are connections to both Galadriel and Numenor in the riddle.)

hS

[Urwen]

.....Maglor?

[Huinesoron]

Not him.

All six lines apply directly to the subject of the riddle. Moreover, the first triplet is in chronological order.

hS

[Urwen]

Arwen?