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Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Wait.....since Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang, and Gurthang is the weapon that will slay Morgoth, that means that Eol didn't make the weapon which will kill Morgoth. Because since Anglachel was reforged, Anglachel and Gurthang are now different swords.

(That was a bit wordy, but you get the point...)

This is true! You're three-quarters of the way there - because I did give 'the smiths of Nargothrond' as an answer. So why was that still wrong...?

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

This is true! You're three-quarters of the way there - because I did give 'the smiths of Nargothrond' as an answer. So why was that still wrong...?

hS

You mean that Eol didn't make the sword at all?

This is quickly becoming a mystery festa....

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

You mean that Eol didn't make the sword at all?

This is quickly becoming a mystery festa....

Eol made Anglachel, and Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang.

And then...?

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Eol made Anglachel, and Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang.

And then...?

hS

Oh, you meant that?

Well, technically it is still true.

After all, if Turin could come back to finish the job, then so could Gurthang.

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Oh, you meant that?

Well, technically it is still true.

After all, if Turin could come back to finish the job, then so could Gurthang.

It sounds like you might have thought up the right answer; all you need to do is say it.

Why does Gurthang need to come back?

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Why does Gurthang need to come back?

hS

Because:

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but it will be by the hand of Túrin that finally death and utter defeat will be dealt to Melkor. Túrin will run his black sword Gurthang (Iron of Death) through Melkor's dark heart, thus avenging the Children of Húrin

It's specifically noted that Turin will use Gurthang, rather than some random sword, to finish the job.

That's why.

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Because:

It's specifically noted that Turin will use Gurthang, rather than some random sword, to finish the job.

That's why.

Yes, Gurthang will be used to kill Morgoth; but why does it need to come back? Or, what does it need to come back from, that might explain why I'm still insisting my answer was wrong?

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:12 AM

From Tolkien Gateway:

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Eöl was a skilled craftsman and a master sword-smith. Among his greatest works were the two swords made from the iron of a meteorite, Anglachel and Anguirel. Anglachel he gave to Thingol as a begrudged payment for dwelling in Nan Elmoth, and it would later become the sword borne by Beleg, and after him, Túrin Turambar. Eöl also devised the strong yet supple, jet-black metal known as galvorn, from which he forged the armour that he used when travelling abroad.

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:25 AM

All right. It was broken after it took Turin's life. Is that what you were going for?

Either way, the answer remains true. Turin will slay Morgoth with Gurthang, which was made by Eol. And that is the way of it.

Huinesoron · 05-02-2019, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

All right. It was broken after it took Turin's life. Is that what you were going for?

Either way, the answer remains true. Turin will slay Morgoth with Gurthang, which was made by Eol. And that is the way of it.

Correct. Gurthang is currently in (at least) two pieces; it will need reforging before it can be used to kill anyone (barring Narsil-esque finger shenanigans). So while Anglachel was made by Eol, and reforged (for some reason - it wasn't broken!) by the Nargothrondrim - Gurthang II, the sword that will kill Morgoth, has yet to be forged from the pieces of the original.

Quibbly, I know, but I don't think it unreasonable to call Narsil and Anduril different swords, the latter being 'created' in Rivendell.

(My guess is that Aule will probably attend to the reforging of Gurthang personally; perhaps he can do something about that curse of Eol's while he's at it. Though they might always give Feanor the job...)

hS

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Though they might always give Feanor the job...

hS

I hope so, that way my statement that it was made by a bad guy will remain true.

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 06:39 AM

I think I will take a short nap before continuing this.

Urwen · 05-02-2019, 08:15 AM

Which two characters share a name?

05-02-2019, 06:25 AM	#9
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	All right. It was broken after it took Turin's life. Is that what you were going for? Either way, the answer remains true. Turin will slay Morgoth with Gurthang, which was made by Eol. And that is the way of it. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-02-2019, 06:39 AM	#12
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I think I will take a short nap before continuing this. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-02-2019, 08:15 AM	#13
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Which two characters share a name? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.