"Bad Guy" Trivia

[Urwen]

Can't think of anyone of the top of my head. Unless it isn't a person, but a concept....

[Huinesoron]

We're not going to give a bronze medal to a concept.

There is a specific character who can make a firm claim to at least 5 king-killings.

For the record, my final count give Morgoth six kills (three of them by his forces at his direct command), and Sauron ten(!!!) firm kills, plus another three if we count the three Kings of Gondor killed by Easterlings/Wainriders under his presumed command. I'm not giving him credit for kills by random Haradrim, Black Numenoreans, and Orcs - only for cases where he sent an army with a reasonable expectation of killing a specific king.

I count 46 Kings who died in an untimely manner (43 if you discount Maedhros, who wasn't High King when he died). I credit my candidate with 5 kills, Gothmog with 2, and I can only find one other character who claims more than 1 kill (also achieving 2). I originally thought Glaurung qualified, but apparently Azaghal was Lord of Belegost, so he only gets Orodreth.

hS

[Galadriel55]

The Witch King has a couple names to his list. He killed Theoden, and he (or servants at his direct orders) killed Earnur. He may have killed some Arnorian kings but I can't remember any specifically.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

The Witch King has a couple names to his list. He killed Theoden, and he (or servants at his direct orders) killed Earnur. He may have killed some Arnorian kings but I can't remember any specifically.

That's who I had, sure enough. He also gets Arvedui - we're specifically told that the ice in the north was under his power. That takes him to 3, which is enough to win the bronze unless someone can pin a third death on Gothmog (or Durin's Bane, who killed Durin VI and Nain I). I'd also credit the Witch-King with Arveleg I of Arthedain, who he sent the armies of Angmar against - and probably Argeleb I as well, who was killed by Hill-Men allied with Angmar.

Over to you unless someone else can beat him.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

That's who I had, sure enough. He also gets Arvedui - we're specifically told that the ice in the north was under his power. That takes him to 3, which is enough to win the bronze unless someone can pin a third death on Gothmog (or Durin's Bane, who killed Durin VI and Nain I). I'd also credit the Witch-King with Arveleg I of Arthedain, who he sent the armies of Angmar against - and probably Argeleb I as well, who was killed by Hill-Men allied with Angmar.

Over to you unless someone else can beat him.

hS

I thought Arvedui dies a "natural" death, but I honestly can't remember that much from Arnor's history, so I can't argue any of your points. But more importantly, I don't know of anyone else who can beat that.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I thought Arvedui dies a "natural" death, but I honestly can't remember that much from Arnor's history, so I can't argue any of your points. But more importantly, I don't know of anyone else who can beat that.

He fled the Witch-King to Forochel, and when a boat came to pick him up the Snowmen said if he got in it the Witch-King would sink him.

He got in it.

It sank.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Barring any objections or counter-examples:


What evildoer was both the bidder of farewell and the greeter?