"Bad Guy" Trivia - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Urwen · 05-16-2019, 10:15 AM

Okay, then one must be Tar-Miriel, who was used by Pharazon so he could obtain the throne which wasn't his.

For the other, I am drawing a blank. Morgoth, who used Hurin, Maeglin and the House of Ulfang for his evil purposes comes to mind, and he did desire vengeance, but, as Huinesoron pointed out, none of them was completely benevolent.

Then there is Sauron, who more or less used Denethor and Gollum, but again, neither of them were completely benevolent.

(In fact, the only person who could reasonably be called 'pure' is Frodo, who resisted the lure of the Ring for the longest time, only to succumb at the end. But he wasn't really 'used' by anybody.)

Lotho comes to mind. We don't know much about him, except that he was used by Saruman as a puppet ruler, and then killed on his orders.

So Tar-Miriel and Lotho are my guess.

Galadriel55 · 05-16-2019, 10:35 AM

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Okay, then one must be Tar-Miriel, who was used by Pharazon so he could obtain the throne which wasn't his.

For the other, I am drawing a blank. Morgoth, who used Hurin, Maeglin and the House of Ulfang for his evil purposes comes to mind, and he did desire vengeance, but, as Huinesoron pointed out, none of them was completely benevolent.

Then there is Sauron, who more or less used Denethor and Gollum, but again, neither of them were completely benevolent.

(In fact, the only person who could reasonably be called 'pure' is Frodo, who resisted the lure of the Ring for the longest time, only to succumb at the end. But he wasn't really 'used' by anybody.)

Lotho comes to mind. We don't know much about him, except that he was used by Saruman as a puppet ruler, and then killed on his orders.

So Tar-Miriel and Lotho are my guess.

Some of your thoughts are on the right track, but none of the guesses for "people" are right.

Read the clue carefully. Some "people", collectively, were used by two separate individuals, one associated with "greed" and one associated with "vengeance". Answer with a combination that the clue is asking for.

Urwen · 05-16-2019, 10:38 AM

The same people or different people?

Urwen · 05-16-2019, 10:40 AM

Eruhini (Elves and Edain) were used by Melkor and Sauron.

Galadriel55 · 05-16-2019, 11:35 AM

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Eruhini (Elves and Edain) were used by Melkor and Sauron.

Not tye answer, but this is the right structure/format.

Urwen · 05-16-2019, 11:55 AM

You missed this:

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The same people or different people?

Maybe the Numenoreans/Gondorians?

Galadriel55 · 05-16-2019, 12:16 PM

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You missed this:

Maybe the Numenoreans/Gondorians?

1) I did not miss it, I think you don't need the explicit answer to that question to find the solution. Consider the way the question is phrased and what I told you about the format.

2) Are Numenorians/Gondorians the people, the greedy one, or the vengeful one? What are the other two? That's not a clear or complete answer.

(But no, they are not the answer to either of the components).

Urwen · 05-16-2019, 12:31 PM

Maybe the Shire-Folk, who were used by Lotho (the greedy one) and Saruman (the vengeful one)

Galadriel55 · 05-16-2019, 03:42 PM

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Maybe the Shire-Folk, who were used by Lotho (the greedy one) and Saruman (the vengeful one)

Veeery close. A little more specific.

05-16-2019, 10:15 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Okay, then one must be Tar-Miriel, who was used by Pharazon so he could obtain the throne which wasn't his. For the other, I am drawing a blank. Morgoth, who used Hurin, Maeglin and the House of Ulfang for his evil purposes comes to mind, and he did desire vengeance, but, as Huinesoron pointed out, none of them was completely benevolent. Then there is Sauron, who more or less used Denethor and Gollum, but again, neither of them were completely benevolent. (In fact, the only person who could reasonably be called 'pure' is Frodo, who resisted the lure of the Ring for the longest time, only to succumb at the end. But he wasn't really 'used' by anybody.) Lotho comes to mind. We don't know much about him, except that he was used by Saruman as a puppet ruler, and then killed on his orders. So Tar-Miriel and Lotho are my guess. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 05-16-2019 at 10:19 AM.

05-16-2019, 10:38 AM	#3
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	The same people or different people? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-16-2019, 10:40 AM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Eruhini (Elves and Edain) were used by Melkor and Sauron. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-16-2019, 12:31 PM	#8
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Maybe the Shire-Folk, who were used by Lotho (the greedy one) and Saruman (the vengeful one) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.