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Nerwen · 06-09-2019, 06:21 AM

I lived in a land without hate -Valinor.
With my apprentices three
But by the hands of fate
All three were taken from me

The first one, second in command
Of the Enemy, Marrer of lands -describes Sauron.
I am one of those who guard the light
Even if it's him I'd have to fight -confirms speaker as a good character, therefore not Morgoth, therefore the only other person to whom Sauron was an "apprentice": Aulë.

The second one, overtaken by greed
He dwelt high up in his tower
The destroyer of my beloved's creation
All because he sought power -Saruman, also a Maia of Aulë, lived in Orthanc and his extensive tree-felling can't have endeared him to Yavanna.

The third one, greatest of them all
With skill beyond measure
Great was his fall
Blessed was his treasure -Feanor, whose "blessed treasure" was of course the Silmarils.

Urwen · 06-09-2019, 06:32 AM

Entirely correct.

Nerwen · 06-10-2019, 06:04 AM

Okay, I think you'll like this one.

Father of traitors yet none to myself
Friend to neither Man nor Elf
Lover and slayer of kin and of foe
My own I will take and by choice I will go.

Urwen · 06-10-2019, 06:15 AM

It's the father of wrench-owned one, ain't he?

And, actually, it's the opposite. I don't like him at all. He is number 2 on my hate list, right after Phary.

And technically, he isn't a father of 'traitors', as he only had one child before that entire family went bazinga.

Nerwen · 06-10-2019, 06:19 AM

Well, hang on, who do you think the answer is?

I assure you the plural is deliberate.

Edit: did you just put the actual guess in? I didn't see it before. Yes, it's Eöl- but can you explain it all?

Urwen · 06-10-2019, 06:44 AM

Father of traitors yet none to myself - Aglanchel and Lomion his children
Friend to neither Man nor Elf - Debatable, considering who eventually received Anglachel and who his family were
Lover and slayer of kin and of foe
My own I will take and by choice I will go. - More or less his mindset and words in the Silm

But, like I said, I don't like him at all.

Urwen · 06-10-2019, 07:17 AM

So, do I get to go now.....?

06-09-2019, 06:21 AM	#1
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I lived in a land without hate -Valinor. With my apprentices three But by the hands of fate All three were taken from me The first one, second in command Of the Enemy, Marrer of lands -describes Sauron. I am one of those who guard the light Even if it's him I'd have to fight -confirms speaker as a good character, therefore not Morgoth, therefore the only other person to whom Sauron was an "apprentice": Aulë. The second one, overtaken by greed He dwelt high up in his tower The destroyer of my beloved's creation All because he sought power -Saruman, also a Maia of Aulë, lived in Orthanc and his extensive tree-felling can't have endeared him to Yavanna. The third one, greatest of them all With skill beyond measure Great was his fall Blessed was his treasure -Feanor, whose "blessed treasure" was of course the Silmarils. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-09-2019, 06:32 AM	#2
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Entirely correct. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-10-2019, 06:04 AM	#3
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Okay, I think you'll like this one. Father of traitors yet none to myself Friend to neither Man nor Elf Lover and slayer of kin and of foe My own I will take and by choice I will go. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-10-2019, 06:15 AM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	It's the father of wrench-owned one, ain't he? And, actually, it's the opposite. I don't like him at all. He is number 2 on my hate list, right after Phary. And technically, he isn't a father of 'traitors', as he only had one child before that entire family went bazinga. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-10-2019, 06:19 AM	#5
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Well, hang on, who do you think the answer is? I assure you the plural is deliberate. Edit: did you just put the actual guess in? I didn't see it before. Yes, it's Eöl- but can you explain it all? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 06-10-2019 at 06:22 AM.

06-10-2019, 06:44 AM	#6
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Father of traitors yet none to myself - Aglanchel and Lomion his children Friend to neither Man nor Elf - Debatable, considering who eventually received Anglachel and who his family were Lover and slayer of kin and of foe My own I will take and by choice I will go. - More or less his mindset and words in the Silm But, like I said, I don't like him at all. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-10-2019, 07:17 AM	#7
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	So, do I get to go now.....? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.