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Urwen · 06-10-2019, 07:30 AM

Here is one about two characters I do like.

Fire you were named for
And, originally, so was I
Renowned you were, and I was not
And death was what we got

The vast lands of Beleriand
Neither of us got to see
I was too weak to live
You were too fey to wait or flee

Nerwen · 06-10-2019, 07:59 AM

I think the speaker is your namesake, Urwen/Lalaith, and the one addressed is Fëanor.

Fire you were named for
And, originally, so was I -"Spirit of fire" and "Fire-maiden"
Renowned you were, and I was not
And death was what we got -I don't think this needs elaboration.

The vast lands of Beleriand
Neither of us got to see -Neither Dor-lómin, where Lalaith lived out her short life, nor Mithrim, where Fëanor died, are part of Beleriand proper.
I was too weak to live
You were too fey to wait or flee -She died from a childhood illness; he was killed in battle due to his recklessness.

Urwen · 06-10-2019, 08:11 AM

Ye, though I didn't know that neither Dor-Lomin or Mithrim were a part of Beleriand.

Urwen · 06-10-2019, 08:19 AM

A bit of trivia: the places where they died are right next to each other on this map:

Huinesoron · 06-10-2019, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

A bit of trivia: the places where they died are right next to each other on this map:

My guess is that 'Beleriand stops at the mountains' was a bit of Feanorian/Fingolfinian pedantry to avoid having to pay homage to Thingol. "Yes, I know he's King of Beleriand, the wide forested lands either side of the Sirion - but we're north of all that up here. That makes this land unclaimed, right?"

Only the Finarfinions were able to admit that yes, actually, it was all Thingol's and he was very generous to let them muck about in it.

(And then of course the Feanorions migrated south, losing even that shred of justification...)

hS

Urwen · 06-10-2019, 08:31 AM

Anyway, over to Nerwen

Nerwen · 06-11-2019, 06:12 AM

Nothing, and a jewel incomplete;
To my heirs a jewel I bequeathed;
Long treasured, long drowned,
For a jewel my jewel was found.

06-10-2019, 07:30 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Here is one about two characters I do like. Fire you were named for And, originally, so was I Renowned you were, and I was not And death was what we got The vast lands of Beleriand Neither of us got to see I was too weak to live You were too fey to wait or flee __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 06-10-2019 at 07:37 AM.

06-10-2019, 07:59 AM	#2
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I think the speaker is your namesake, Urwen/Lalaith, and the one addressed is Fëanor. Fire you were named for And, originally, so was I -"Spirit of fire" and "Fire-maiden" Renowned you were, and I was not And death was what we got -I don't think this needs elaboration. The vast lands of Beleriand Neither of us got to see -Neither Dor-lómin, where Lalaith lived out her short life, nor Mithrim, where Fëanor died, are part of Beleriand proper. I was too weak to live You were too fey to wait or flee -She died from a childhood illness; he was killed in battle due to his recklessness. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-10-2019, 08:11 AM	#3
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Ye, though I didn't know that neither Dor-Lomin or Mithrim were a part of Beleriand. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-10-2019, 08:19 AM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	A bit of trivia: the places where they died are right next to each other on this map: __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-10-2019, 08:31 AM	#6
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Anyway, over to Nerwen __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-11-2019, 06:12 AM	#7
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Nothing, and a jewel incomplete; To my heirs a jewel I bequeathed; Long treasured, long drowned, For a jewel my jewel was found. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.