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Overshadowed Eagle
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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That's the thing ... I'd guess something like the King's letter to Samwise, but it's after Bell's time. Lily is probably still alive ... but if they're mentioned there in a 'son of' and 'daughter of' capacity for Sam and Rose, it would be unusual to either not name the other parent or to name the mothers instead of the fathers. Also, why would the King mention Fastred when I believe Elanor is still a child, although not a young one?
Was I right about the 'they are in' being a family tree/trees?
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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![]() Well, all 3 appear on the Longfather Tree of Master Samwise. Is that the document? I wish I could say they're the only 3 spouses mentioned, but 6 marriages are indicated on that document. ... whoops ... there are 7! Hob and Rowan. Rowan must have been a girl, then, unless the Shire was more forward-thinking than we thought.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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How about this?
They all appear in the Longfather Tree of Master Samwise AND They all three have a unique surname. 1. Bell is the only 'real' Goodchild ever mentioned (Christopher wouldn't let his dad make Sam a Goodchild ... so that was never *really* a character). 2. Lily Brown is the only Brown ever mentioned. 3. Fastred is the only 'of Greenholm' (is that a surname, like the Dutch ''Van" or the French "De?"), because his children and wife, and he himself, (supposedly upon his marriage), took the name of Fairbairn.
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The Longfather Tree is the document I was looking for. I was phrasing the other part as 'they are the only person from their [birth] family ever named', but it comes to the same thing. Well done to both of you - Urwen got tantalisingly close - and over to Pervinca. hS |
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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OK. I am using the answers and password from my last password puzzle, for which I am not willing to give away the theme until at least a couple of people have had a go at guessing.
With one caveat, which I will defend, I believe these are the only known characters to whom this applies. It's something that I would say is rarer in Tolkien's works than it is in 'real life.' There could have been many other cases, but if there were, Tolkien did not report them. Aragorn Luthien Idril Niniel Finwe Turin EDIT: If, once the theme is guessed, anyone can cite any further examples, I will add them with my apologies.
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Is it some kind of physical characteristic?
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Yes, they all had a sixth finger, like Anne Boleyn.
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