Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 05-01-2020, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

And if the QT lot essentially counts as one villager, can the living lynch the dead thread as a whole, too?

What is dead can never die but rises stronger and more contagious.

++junior dead as tiebreaker

++including a cobbler

As for a tie in the game thread, my usual position on this is 'last thought, best thought', but if we start with a large village of 20+ people double lynches could be a nice way of speeding things up and making the QT*, er, livelier.

*(I think I'm going to refer to the quarantined as Cuties henceforth.)

Macalaure · 05-01-2020, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitchwife

*(I think I'm going to refer to the quarantined as Cuties henceforth.)

We should take it one step further and refer to them as Cooties.

And we all know there's no disease more frightening!

Thinlómien · 05-01-2020, 03:05 PM

I would somewhat advocate for both only revealing the qt vote at the deadline, and the first candidate to reach the tie to be lynched for one reason - both of these decrease the importance of the last minute voting. If everything of importance happens in the two hours before the deadline, it makes the game concentrate even more than usual in those hours which is not good for those in unusual timezones, those who might be at work during the deadline, or those who might already be asleep by then. The deadline is never perfect for everybody, so I would try making being around it rather less than more important if I have options.

But I guess it depends. Personally I'm out of work until the end of the month at least so I have nothing else to do than to stay awake all night and play werewolf

How are the US/Canada 'downers feeling about the deadline?

Rikae · 05-01-2020, 04:03 PM

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Nogrod · 05-01-2020, 04:25 PM

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Finally got this account up and running again! Can I still join?

Absolutely!

Good to see you!

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-01-2020, 04:34 PM

Whoa, this is going to be one amazing village...

And as for the game rules discussion, I'd also be for making the tie-breaker the first tied vote, not the last, for the same reasons Lommy stated. In most game I have played, that proved to be the better option.

Depending on the final number of people, I think we can have quite a lot of Wolves. Let's not forget that it kinda raises the chances for at least one succesful lynch early on, which in turn may help identifying the others, thus compensating for any numbers imbalance.

A Cobbler may be good, but I'd perhaps fear for them being sort of a third wheel in the QT, even more than the Wolves themselves.

Loslote · 05-01-2020, 05:25 PM

I'm neutral on the Cobbler, I don't dislike the idea but I feel like playing cobbler is probably not the dream Werewolf experience for the first game back in a long time. Anyway, I'm in US Mountain Time now, so I believe that puts the deadline at 3pm my time. I will definitely be awake. Occasionally I could be in a Zoom meeting at the deadline, but I'd probably still be able to post.

I like the idea of the QT vote being revealed in the narration, especially if the QTs have info (Seers) or ulterior motives (keeping "Urwen" alive, if that ends up happening), I wouldn't want the living to give all their focus to trying to figure out what the QTs want.

Nogrod · 05-01-2020, 05:52 PM

Just for the fun of it.

I've been reading the CoH to find everyone Tolkien gave a name in Dor-lómin, living there during the Evil Breath aka. just before Nirnaeth Arnoediad. Adding to those the people who are told to live there later under easterling-rule (during Morwen's time there and when Túrin came back) brought me to 12 characters. Then I added the three outlaws Túrin hooked up with years later, who were said to come originally from Dor-lómin (and who I'd gather were not outlaws before exactly these troubled times and Nirnaeth), to reach 15.

So unless someone comes up with some I have missed or any other ones from some "unfinished papers" that have not ended up in the CoH, please let me know. Otherwise I'll fill the rest with some like "Aerin's mother"...

I thought first it would be fun to give you all new identities for the game to use (and then randomize the roles on top of that), but then thought against it for two reasons. Firstly, it might get pretty confusing in a big village if people had two nomers (try reading a mammoth Russian novel!). Secondly it would be too easy to hide behind the character-play: "I'll vote Andróg because he's such a shady person" (even if disease doesn't, at least normally, pick on grounds of moral integrity, one could argue that one caused by Morgoth sure could

).

So I'll be using them basically just in the narratives (and one will thus be revealed in every narration). If the Cuties would like to use them in their own discussions, have your fun with them.

So here's who we have in the village (a few to be added). The characterisations are from Tolkien, I have added nothing of my own.

Dramatis Personae

Húrin, of the House of Hador, master of Dor-lómin
Morwen Eledhwen, of the House of Bëor, Húrin's wife
Túrin, their son, 5-years old
Urwen “Lalaith”, their daughter, 3-years old
Sador “Labadal”, Húrin’s one-legged woodwright
Ragnir, Húrin’s blind servant
Túrin’s nurse
Aerin, a kinswoman of Húrin
Indor, Aerin’s father
Gethron, valiant old man
Grithnir, valiant old man
Asgon, strong and hardy villager
Andróg, a hard-hearted man
Algund, an old warrior
Forweg, a big and bold man

Brinniel · 05-01-2020, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

How are the US/Canada 'downers feeling about the deadline?

It would be preferable for me to bump the deadline by an hour or two (10 or 11pm GMT). The currently proposed deadline is at the same time that my workday ends and it would be nice to be able to give the last hour or so of each Day my undivided attention. But if that is not possible, I will try to manage.

05-01-2020, 03:05 PM	#3
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I would somewhat advocate for both only revealing the qt vote at the deadline, and the first candidate to reach the tie to be lynched for one reason - both of these decrease the importance of the last minute voting. If everything of importance happens in the two hours before the deadline, it makes the game concentrate even more than usual in those hours which is not good for those in unusual timezones, those who might be at work during the deadline, or those who might already be asleep by then. The deadline is never perfect for everybody, so I would try making being around it rather less than more important if I have options. But I guess it depends. Personally I'm out of work until the end of the month at least so I have nothing else to do than to stay awake all night and play werewolf How are the US/Canada 'downers feeling about the deadline? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-01-2020, 04:34 PM	#6
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Whoa, this is going to be one amazing village... And as for the game rules discussion, I'd also be for making the tie-breaker the first tied vote, not the last, for the same reasons Lommy stated. In most game I have played, that proved to be the better option. Depending on the final number of people, I think we can have quite a lot of Wolves. Let's not forget that it kinda raises the chances for at least one succesful lynch early on, which in turn may help identifying the others, thus compensating for any numbers imbalance. A Cobbler may be good, but I'd perhaps fear for them being sort of a third wheel in the QT, even more than the Wolves themselves. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-01-2020, 05:25 PM	#7
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	I'm neutral on the Cobbler, I don't dislike the idea but I feel like playing cobbler is probably not the dream Werewolf experience for the first game back in a long time. Anyway, I'm in US Mountain Time now, so I believe that puts the deadline at 3pm my time. I will definitely be awake. Occasionally I could be in a Zoom meeting at the deadline, but I'd probably still be able to post. I like the idea of the QT vote being revealed in the narration, especially if the QTs have info (Seers) or ulterior motives (keeping "Urwen" alive, if that ends up happening), I wouldn't want the living to give all their focus to trying to figure out what the QTs want. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

05-01-2020, 05:52 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Just for the fun of it. I've been reading the CoH to find everyone Tolkien gave a name in Dor-lómin, living there during the Evil Breath aka. just before Nirnaeth Arnoediad. Adding to those the people who are told to live there later under easterling-rule (during Morwen's time there and when Túrin came back) brought me to 12 characters. Then I added the three outlaws Túrin hooked up with years later, who were said to come originally from Dor-lómin (and who I'd gather were not outlaws before exactly these troubled times and Nirnaeth), to reach 15. So unless someone comes up with some I have missed or any other ones from some "unfinished papers" that have not ended up in the CoH, please let me know. Otherwise I'll fill the rest with some like "Aerin's mother"... I thought first it would be fun to give you all new identities for the game to use (and then randomize the roles on top of that), but then thought against it for two reasons. Firstly, it might get pretty confusing in a big village if people had two nomers (try reading a mammoth Russian novel!). Secondly it would be too easy to hide behind the character-play: "I'll vote Andróg because he's such a shady person" (even if disease doesn't, at least normally, pick on grounds of moral integrity, one could argue that one caused by Morgoth sure could ). So I'll be using them basically just in the narratives (and one will thus be revealed in every narration). If the Cuties would like to use them in their own discussions, have your fun with them. So here's who we have in the village (a few to be added). The characterisations are from Tolkien, I have added nothing of my own. Dramatis Personae Húrin, of the House of Hador, master of Dor-lómin Morwen Eledhwen, of the House of Bëor, Húrin's wife Túrin, their son, 5-years old Urwen “Lalaith”, their daughter, 3-years old Sador “Labadal”, Húrin’s one-legged woodwright Ragnir, Húrin’s blind servant Túrin’s nurse Aerin, a kinswoman of Húrin Indor, Aerin’s father Gethron, valiant old man Grithnir, valiant old man Asgon, strong and hardy villager Andróg, a hard-hearted man Algund, an old warrior Forweg, a big and bold man __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-01-2020, 04:03 PM	#4
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Finally got this account up and running again! Can I still join?