Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Rikae]

So, just putting this here because I think this could be important later. This Brinn-wagon everyone's talking about is two votes at this point, mine and Pitch's.

And the people who expressed concern about it are Huey, Lottie and Inzil, in that order (let me know if I missed someone).

Now, I found Pitch suspicious from the beginning, although just for vibes really, and Brinn could have started looking like a convenient vote. On the other hand, three people pushing back on a wagon for coming out of nowhere after two reasoned votes (by day 1 standards) is odd, too, especially if Brinn turns out wolfish or the trolley is redirected toward an innocent. Lottie's and Inzil's positions in the anti-Brinnwagon-wagon are, that is - Huey's is pretty bold.

Edit: X'd with everything since Shasta #233

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Rikae

So, just putting this here because I think this could be important later. This Brinn-wagon everyone's talking about is two votes at this point, mine and Pitch's.

And the people who expressed concern about it are Huey, Lottie and Inzil, in that order (let me know if I missed someone).

Now, I found Pitch suspicious from the beginning, although just for vibes really, and Brinn could have started looking like a convenient vote. On the other hand, three people pushing back on a wagon for coming out of nowhere after two reasoned votes (by day 1 standards) is odd, too, especially if Brinn turns out wolfish or the trolley is redirected toward an innocent. Lottie's and Inzil's positions in the anti-Brinnwagon-wagon are, that is - Huey's is pretty bold.

Edit: X'd with everything since Shasta #233

It can't be as simple as a pack of Hui + Brinn + Zil + Lottie + X, can it? But seriously, since we already know Hui was a wolf, if one or more of the other people Rikae mentions here are his packmates this post alone could explain the wolves' eagerness to off them without the need of assuming a plan to frame Mac or anybody.

And if I'm right with this, the pack would also have preferred us to discuss the lack of a Kit-kill yesterDay rather than alternative reasons for the Rikae-kill beyond their suspicions of Mac and Brinn.

[Loslote]

It's so quiet today. Like, we are three hours away from the deadline on a weekend, and there just isn't that much going on. I feel like a lot of the wolves might be trying to keep a bit of a low profile toDay - there's enough consensus that they can probably get away with just focusing on the obvious, or maybe try to mislead a little if they're in trouble or think they can maybe save a packmate. I like seeing Pitch, Brinn, and Legate all talking about non-obvious players. I feel like Kath and Lalaith tried to start up a little sidebar conversation, but people didn't really bite. That also feels more innocent in my eyes. I got a bit of a "staying on safe topics" vibe from Ka, Lommy, and Greenie, but I don't know that I'd say that's a huge red flag, necessarily, since I get the feeling most people in the village are on similar pages, suspicion-wise.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

It's so quiet today. Like, we are three hours away from the deadline on a weekend, and there just isn't that much going on. I feel like a lot of the wolves might be trying to keep a bit of a low profile toDay - there's enough consensus that they can probably get away with just focusing on the obvious, or maybe try to mislead a little if they're in trouble or think they can maybe save a packmate. I like seeing Pitch, Brinn, and Legate all talking about non-obvious players. I feel like Kath and Lalaith tried to start up a little sidebar conversation, but people didn't really bite. That also feels more innocent in my eyes. I got a bit of a "staying on safe topics" vibe from Ka, Lommy, and Greenie, but I don't know that I'd say that's a huge red flag, necessarily, since I get the feeling most people in the village are on similar pages, suspicion-wise.

For myself, Saturdays are usually quite hectic. I'm back though and will be here until the end. Doing some work on the non-Mac/Huey voters.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

It makes me think - was it that there was a Zilwolf (or others, but him being the first starter) desperate because they'd spared Kit on the hope that it will cause a debate in the village, and it didn't, so he had to start it himself?

Maybe: if you forget the fact that I brought it up within a half hour of the Day's start.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

It can't be as simple as a pack of Hui + Brinn + Zil + Lottie + X, can it? But seriously, since we already know Hui was a wolf, if one or more of the other people Rikae mentions here are his packmates this post alone could explain the wolves' eagerness to off them without the need of assuming a plan to frame Mac or anybody.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't be averse to a Brinn or Lottie vote.

[satansaloser2005]

Back from surprisingly time-consuming errands.

[satansaloser2005]

I enjoy how people are saying, "So if I have to choose between Dun and Sally...."

You realize it's pretty likely neither of us are wolves, right?



My voting pool for toDay:
Lottie (still my bad vibes list, sadly don't have time to do an analysis)
Mac (though I think I may have given myself tunnel vision)
Boro (because I'll never trust him again after the last game and I just remembered this last night )
Ka (for a post I'll quote in a moment)
Steve? (for a post I of course can no longer find, so maybe I'm mistaken)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I enjoy how people are saying, "So if I have to choose between Dun and Sally...."

I would be willing to vote for either of you toDay - just based on the timing of your votes yesterDay, I think you have to consider it - but I would almost rather vote Boro. His vote was very similar, timing wise, to yours, and I have a bad feeling about him in general. Also, I think he has more ties to other players than Sally, and I think Zil has been so suspected for so long that, if he is a wolf, his packmates aren't going to allow themselves to be tied to him, so I think we would learn more from quarantining Boro. Boro would be my first choice, followed closely by Zil, then Sally third.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Boro (because I'll never trust him again after the last game and I just remembered this last night )

No worries, I get it. I don't radiate trust that often. I've learned to live with it. I'm surprised Shasta still talks to me.



Non Mac/Huey voters

Kath ---> Inzil

Doesn't strike me as suspicious. Said she had to vote early and gave the reason in #427. Checks out.

Lhuna ---> Lommy

Seemed like a throw away. I still can't find the reasons for her suspicions and vote. Other than Lommy saying, if the wolves were trying to orchestrate an innocent lynch Day 1, it could have very well been for G55, because wolves would know she's not one of them. Lhuna calls it:

You would know, wouldn't you. Wicked. Tricksy. False.

And then in her vote for Lommy, doesn't give us anything except the weird parting shot. As far as "throw away" votes. Highly suspicious.


Mac ----> Lommy (2)

Mac sort of admits it's a throw away, but just because it was him who voted for Lommy, which ensures no one else would. He adds that he voted early because he was annoyed by people talking like he was going to hold his vote to save himself.

He made that vote before any one voted for Huey, or really even brought up voting for Huey. Mac was yesterday's news (no offense) and a lot of those questions, for myself, have been adequately answered. Are you glad we didn't have to autopsy you to find the answers? If you're upset I still have the butter.

Rune ----> Lottie

Can't get a good read on this vote. Looks like he's following his suspicions. At one point, before it became Huey's, it could have been Lottie's name alongside Mac's so I don't sense that Rune was throwing away his vote to avoid and keep away from Mac/Huey. Overall, I like the fact that he's asking people about their own suspicions. Could be a wolf-tactic, but he's being very direct and open about it.

There's more suspicious looking votes.

THE Ka----> Lottie (2)

Ka's vote made it Mac - 3, Huey - 2, Lottie - 2. It does look like a prime spot for a wolf to put in her vote to try to help Huey. Her suspicion of Lottie didn't come from nowhere, but just on general comments from other people (sally and Inzil who wound up voting for Mac) Lottie's name could have been there next to Mac's, instead of Huey's.

Vote placement is suspicious and looks like an attempt to help Huey. I haven't really been looking at Ka, beyond her posts feeling reasonable. I shall do so now.

After Ka's vote, everyone was either Huey or Mac.

Edit: crossed with everyone since the QT Vote. Shocker. *rollseyes*