Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Look at that tie.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Look at that tie.

That's a mighty niccccccce tie there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.


Sorry, I'm just being obnoxious at this point. :/


x'd with Steve

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

That's a mighty niccccccce tie there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.


Sorry, I'm just being obnoxious at this point. :/


x'd with Steve

Rofl about this. But yeah, horribly intense situation here.

[Nogrod]

DEADLINE: PLEASE CEASE ALL POSTING!



Huinesoron is moved into quarantine.

A narration will follow as soon as possible, hopefully in 15 minutes - half an hour.

[Nogrod]

With the horrifying revelation of there being some Morgoth infected souls deliberately spreading the illness, the nature of discussion changed even more from possible physical symptoms to mental ones. Most everyone was scrutinized by others in depth on what they had said and done the previous Day – and to a lesser degree to even what they had said this Day.

~*~

The discussion was brought to a halt in the afternoon when Brandir came around asking for his grandmother. As soon as people realized that no-one had seen her after midday, people started getting worried. Morwen asked the Nurse and Aerin to take care of the children and joined others in the search.

She was nowhere to be found.

Finally Algund yelled from the main gates. There was Glóredhel, leaning to a tall oak just outside the Village. She seemed cool and collected, staring somewhere far out of sight. Coming closer Halmir suddenly realized she was not breathing at all. His legs gave up under him and he fell to the muddy ground.

“Why! Why the House of Haleth! Why didn’t you take me instead! Be damned Morgoth, and your evil deeds!” He cried, pulling his hair.

“She’s withered away from grief…” said Indor quietly: “the way of spirits more delicate than ours”.

They carried her body to the old Badger’s cabin just around the corner and tucked her in some blankets. They’d have a decent funeral for her when all this was over.

~*~

“How about if I don’t want to go? Those are probably ill people in there. I don’t want to get infected!” Hareth stared at the crowd wildly. “I’m your mother, for Valar’s sake!” she yelled at her sons standing in front of her. “How dare you!”

“You just go” Grithnir said calmly notching an arrow.

“Yes, just no sudden movements” echoed Gethron drawing his bow as well.

“Do as you’re told mother. If you’re innocent, the Valar will protect you”, Húrin said calmly.

“But I am not!” Hareth screamed, eyes glowing red, and jumped on his sons.

There was a sharp snap and a soft thud, and another.

Hareth fell down with two arrows deep in her thigs.

Asgon noticed the brothers were stunned and took the reins. “Sador and Ragnir, take her in, and Aerin, get some towels and herbs for her as she comes back to her senses”.

“If she comes back…” Morwen murmured to herself, shaking her head.


~*~


Dead, yes dead

Nogrod – “The Badger”, the Mod (dead on Night1)
Urwen – Glóredhel, healthy person (withered away in grief during D2)

Quarantined

Galadriel55 – Andróg, the Cobbler (voted into QT on Day1)
Rikae – Haldir, formerly healthy person (infected by the shady Infectors on Night2)
Huinesoron - Hareth, Infector (voted into QT on Day2)

Hanging around

Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Pitchwife
Kath
Lhunardawen
Inziladun
Kitanna
A Little Green
Boromir88
Lalaith
Brinniel
Eönwë
Macalaure
Rune Son of Bjarne
THE Ka
Satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin



It’s now Night 3.

Sleep or not, next posting in about 24 hours.

[Nogrod]

That Night the Village slept uneasily. It was not just the threat that kept them awake, but also the excitement of the debate – and naturally the dramatic end of the Day. If Hareth could have fallen under Morgoth’s evil spells, then it could befall on just about anyone. There were horrific thoughts in peoples’ minds that Night: could even Húrin or Huor be, or the children? Lalaith? Morwen was having terrifying nightmares.

Húrin couldn’t sleep beside his wife who kept rolling around in her sheets, and stalked silently outside the Village to be alone for a moment. He watched the starry sky which looked exactly the same it always looked, like anything that was going on down in the Village didn’t mean anything, didn’t change anything. Yet, he was wishing Valar would help him, and it was under the light of the stars he could feel a tiny bit of solace.

Suddenly there was a crack somewhere in the woods somewhere near him. Húrin awoke from his dreams and was immediately up and awake. He listened. A deer? He thought he saw something disappearing between the trees maybe thirty yards from him.

More noises broke out abruptly from the opposite direction, several of them now. Then there was a yell of pain he recognized too well.

“Bro!” Húrin jumped towards the cry drawing his sword as he ran. “Huor! Where are you?”

“Take them down! Run!” he heard his brother yelling somewhere to his left as he was running down the slope. Several shapes slipped away into the darkness in different directions. It was impossible to reach them all. Drawing breath Húrin realized he’d get none of them – and Huor was there just beside him, in pain.

Húrin sheathed his sword and ran to his brother.

“What did they do to you?” Húrin touched Huor’s forehead and fell the heat. Bending down he reached for his eyes. “Who were they? Did you recognize anyone?” Huor shook his head and then suddenly pushed his brother away violently, using an amazing amount of strength for a man in his condition.

“Stay away from me!” he cried, breathing heavily. “They got our mother and now they got me. You must live! Listen to me. You shall live for greater things, and for the house of Hador!” The effort was clearly too much for him and he fell back to the ground sweating excessively, slowly passing out.

Húrin walked slowly back to the village carrying his half unconscious brother on his back to the Great Hall. With a little help from Asgon, he set his brother into a bench with some blankets and cushions.

“What on Arda were you doing out there brother?” Húrin asked Huor when their eyes met.

“I thought I was protecting you…” he said with a failing voice, but then managed a faint smile. “It seems it was the other way around this Night. What a failure.” Huor closed his eyes.

“I’ll promise this will be set right! And you’ll get better. Trust me.” Huor slept and didn’t answer anymore. Húrin left the Hall not quite sure whether even he believed in his own words.


~*~


Dead, yes dead

Nogrod – “The Badger”, the Mod (dead on Night1)
Urwen – Glóredhel, healthy person (withered away in grief during Day2)

Quarantined

Galadriel55 – Andróg, the Cobbler (voted into QT on Day1)
Rikae – Haldir, formerly healthy person (infected by the shady Infectors on Night2)
Huinesoron – Hareth, an Infector (voted into QT on Day2)
Kitanna – Huor, the Ranger (infected in the woods by the Infectors on Night3)

Hanging around

Thinlómien
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Pitchwife
Kath
Lhunardawen
Inziladun
A Little Green
Boromir88
Lalaith
Brinniel
Eönwë
Macalaure
Rune Son of Bjarne
THE Ka
Satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin


It’s now Day 3

You are welcome to take on the Thread again.

[Inziladun]

Well, no more doubt around KitRanger.

YesterDay's Hueywagon turned out well, but it seemed to me to come out of nowhere. It's the same issue I had with the sudden push on Brinn the previous Day.
Adding to my trepidation was the fact that Lottie and Pitch, who I was very wary of, were on it.

I tried to consolidate yesterDay's comments, and later, votes on Huey :

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Huinesoron's first post makes me wonder, because on the one hand, the way he's describing his Nightly activity as scribbling this post - which he clearly did - makes it more likely to be an innocent's endeavour; but on the other hand, I am just returning to my misgivings yesterDay and wondering whether he's exactly not being "helpful" here (perhaps WW with enought time on his hands, can imagine) plus subtly steering the discussion back to the "threesome" - and perhaps to Pitch, his yesterDay's suspect. If Pitch was innocent, it would be a safe way for a Wolf to keep on track with consistent suspicion onto a Day that starts the same way as the previous one: with the Village having nearly zero info.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Hui: Starts to suspect Lommy based on her comments about Day 1, stating that it gave "finding a wolf toDay is impossible, so why bother trying" vibes. There's some further exchanges that continue that suspicion. In post #93, he's wary of Mac suspicions, and backs off Lommy slightly. By post #183 Lommy is back on the suspect list. He points out the suspicion against me has come out of nowhere and then votes G55 to avoid me getting lynched (thanks) and thinks a wolf is behind the bandwagon.

Impression: I don't agree with his Lommy suspicions, but I do like his concern about the bandwagon against me - however, that does not spell innocence. I could see a wolf trying to support an innocent to gain her trust. Hui does a lot of summaries of previous posts which appears helpful, but could also be a facade should he be a wolf.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Also speaking of Huin there's this –

Why would a Pitchwolf want to move the focus onto Legate specifically, if not to move it away from a packmate or a suspected cobbler? What would be the motive? Huin also downplays the arguments against Brinn here:

He also explicitly voted to save Brinn yesterDay. Something going on here, though I’m starting to think it’s too open to be a wolf defending a packmate.

Originally Posted by Kath

Hui -> G55 6

Hui clearly stated he wanted to avoid Brinn getting lynched and so chose G55 because she had the higher vote tally. It's a bold statement to make at a point where no roles were known. What made him think Brinn was definitely worth saving?

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Since I haven't finished looking in-depth at everyone, no. These are the two I've formed a strong opinion on. Sorry you don't approve of my method for a reread.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Huinesoron, that first post of yours toDay -- I can't. I just can't right now. I'll try going back to it later, but right now just looking at it... *brain explodes*

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

YELLOW

Huinesoron - everytime I read a post of theirs, I'm like 80% "how does your brain work that way???" but that doesn't mean they have guilty brain, just that they have different brain from me. I'm aware I kind give them the benefit of doubt based on this endlessly, but for the time being I'm not too worried about any particular thing.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Huinesoron
Questioned G55 for "hypothetically contemplating possible Wolf victories" (wolf-Hunter-ordo endgame).

But unless I missed something, I'm pretty sure that post above was his first considerable suspicion of her.

Mmmkay. Then false-voted Lommy. When G55 and Brinn tied at 2 apiece, said he still stands by his false-vote but would vote Pitch > G55 to derail the Brinnwagon. In the end voted G55 when the votes were at 4 Brinn, 3 Pitch, 5 G55.

If he voted Pitch as he preferred, he would have nearly contributed to a three-way tie, although I'm not sure if anyone else (other than Lottie, who at that point had already voted) would also vote for Pitch. Huin-Brinn wolf pair? Can it be that blatant?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, and I am getting bad vibe from Lottie's post above.

It essentially says "I am suspicious of the people who did something toDay that has provoked controversy" - that could easily also mean "I am a Wolf waiting for people to pick which of the bandwagons that are offering themselves toDay would be the best to ride on". These are literally all the things that were controversial toDay, stated by someone else, so I could imagine Lothwolf writing it here to "butter up" people who first stated it. I am wary.

Similar kind of behaviour I have been noticing toDay still also in Huinesoron, to a degree - even though in his case, it is rather along the lines of "I comment on XY, but then again just so that you don't think, I do not really mean it, but thought you should know".

Originally Posted by Kath

Is all this based on simply the fact that people went after Brinn? Given we don't know her role can such firm suspicions really be drawn at this point. If she'd been lynched and had turned out to be innocent I think this would all deserve a bit more credence.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Huinesoron - Nothing pinging any alarm bells so far. Lots of well-thought-out posts.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Bears looking at more closely:
Boro
Kath
Huin
Zil
Kit
Eönwë

Originally Posted by Loslote

Feel okay aboutHuinesoron - I like the way he's thinking about the game, which makes me feel generally okay about him. I do see some of the points people have made about his summaries not always being completely accurate, though, and that's something to keep an eye on - in particular, do his summaries end up resulting in a cohesive misleading campaign?

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Huin - seems very helpful and productive, but sometimes feels odd

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Wasn't really thinking of it regarding Night kill, but I do think a wolf could possibly be hidden there. Their hands would look a little cleaner compared to others if I were lynched, thus proven innocent. It the reason I am slightly worried about Hui.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Gotta agree with Mac for a sec, this post of Huin's was kinda strange. Also they seem to "know" Mac is going to get lynched toDay, which is very I mean sure, Mac has been one of the main suspects toDay but it could still go numerous ways with more than 2h to go and merely a handful of votes cast.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

TOWARDS-THE-RED-END-OF-THE-SPECTRUM-ZONE:

Huinesoron - I said above, is the sort of "I am being very sensible with - possibly - occasionally leaving accusations around in the metaphorical form of unfinished sentence". The consistency of their yesterDay's suspicion would be a plus, on the other hand the vote yesterDay was one of those "I will wait what happens and act accordingly" - which however is something many people would do, regardless of role.

Originally Posted by Loslote

And Mac's reactions to Huin are feeling more innocent now, and Huin's last couple of posts are feeling a little more like a salesman..... I'm less enthusiastic about a Mac vote after seeing how he's defending himself, which doesn't feel desperate, more annoyed. I think I'm leaning towards Zil instead, I'm too torn on Mac.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Huey, Lottie, and Inzil all remarked caution against a Brinn-wagon. Which I also found suspicious. It's almost like a wolf/wolves trying to appear reasonable in "hey let's not bandwagon."

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

This again made my radar *ping* at HS. This again sounds like casting blame "from the flank", or "as he passes by". By now, however, HS has been doing it so consistently that I am really beginning to wonder.

Still. Right now, considering voting either HS, Lottie or Brinn. The former two seem to affect me the way that I keep telling myself "you are exaggerating", but then I see their next post and it's the same thing all over again. If I don't vote now and wait, I may end up again with the choice of some bandwagons about someone completely different and I would prefer not to do that. If it happened however and it was about some of those others that got votes so far, I would not be opposed to voting Lommy, possibly, but the whole thing seems horribly sinister and I have zero, zero, zero idea how to react to Mac. Zero.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I'm at the moment strongly considering voting Brinn. Otherwise I thought to start a Huinesoron vote or somesuch, but I am not sure if anyone at all would go for it.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Maybe too late and near DL to look through Huey for consideration today, but he's worth a thorough look.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I wouldn't be opposed to voting for Huinesoron. I mentioned earlier that [b]Mac[b] was looking more innocent to me, and I started getting a kind of sketchy vibe from Huin. Even when I put him in my "feeling okay" category in my list, I mentioned that I wanted to keep an eye on his habit of slightly misrepresenting things in his summaries, as well. I'm going to take a closer look at him, but I would consider him a candidate for voting toDay.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

People talking about voting Huinesoron? Well that would be a Plot Twist but not necessarily a bad one. If he's a wolf, I wager Brinn is one too. He pretty much admitted to trying to save her on Day1, which just sounded off to me. But I have really hard time reading Huin because as I've said, I just don't follow his thought processes because it seems we disagree on every turn.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Huey seems capable of long, analytical posts and somehow steers clear of controversy in the meantime. I am not at all at ease with him, but I don't think I'd vote him just yet.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Since now there seems to be more support for it too, I may vote Hui. But otherwise I'm also very much favouring Brinnlynch to others.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

No read
Hui
Kath
Boromir
Lalaith
Sally
Mac
Greenie

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I could vote Hui, but I would prefer Inzil. Feeling less sure about Mac - his latest posts feel okay, but I keep going back and forth on this.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Hey whatever. I may just as well do something on time for once, and offer some options.

++Huinesoron

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Rereading Huin’s post while I’m looking over posts raises my blood pressure.

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I might not be able to stay until the deadline, so probably my final thoughts:

Very bad
Huin, Greenie

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I could still vote Zil, or I could actually get behind Legate's Hui vote. A few of Hui's posts look like subtly sewing suspicion while not getting too involved in anything.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Of those who currently have votes. I do not want to vote Lommy, Inzil or Huey.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Here's some rushed thoughts onHuinesoron
YesterDay, he came down hard on Lommy, initially for what looked to me like a normal "woe onto Day 1 and chaos" post. But he kept on it.
At the same time he threw light suspicion at LGP and also really pushed for "why is Mac so suspicious? And he kept pushing it, though Mac didn't ever appear to be a contender to be lynched. Then when Brinn fell under scrutiny he did the same sort of thing. Ultimately voting G55

Is how he starts the Day. Which, why not have a cobbler in that group? I think it makes sense for a cobbler to propose such an idea, then back away. In the same way I could believe it of a wolf.
And is back on his Lommy lynch train. Still not seeing why, then again, I haven't dug in on Lommy too much. Still it seems weird how he always keeps her there, ready to lynch, but then goes a different direction.

I feel he wants to get credit for saying "let's back off, Kit, shall we?" When it wasn't really necessary to establish a timeline for that. I revealed myself when enough people brought up my fake reveal reaction and I said I was done engaging on the subject. From a village standpoint, yeah, let it go, because innocents commenting on it are just digging themselves into a hole for wolves to hide in. But it alarms me Huin went out of his way to establish who said it first.
After a Day of demanding why people saw Mac as suspicious, and in my frantic refreshing to stay onto of new posts I see he's voted Mac.


Yes! This! A million times! If I could use profanities here, I would.

So final thoughts on the Day.
Huin I feel if Huin is a wolf, then look deeper into Lommy. He has been harping on her since the start, but doesn't act on it. He spoke a lot, but I don't feel he always said anything, which is funny because he leveled that same statement at others yesterDay. He demands reasons for Mac and Brinn being so suspicious, but I don't feel like he really looked at people's reasons of why in the first place. He just saw these names that were gaining just enough traction and pounced. Like if they were lynched and turned out innocent he would look good. But then today he votes Mac. Erm...ok? Which at the beginning of the day, after reviewing Day 1, I'd have voted Mac too, but now? I feel like there's more to go on elsewhere.
And then the "leave Kit alone" timeline Huin tries to establish worries me.

++Huinesoron

Originally Posted by Loslote

We are really coming down to the wire here. I'm leaning towards voting Huinesoron.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

You know what, let's.

++Huinesoron

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

This Huinewagon is staring to look interesting, just saying, regardless of his role...

Originally Posted by Loslote

Yeah, okay.

++Huinesoron

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Gah, I really wanted to vote Inzil toDay but I think I would rather see Hui lynched over Mac.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I'm still open to a Brinn vote and am open to a Huey vote, but the former is seeming less and less likely.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

[RL] Sorry my mother just rang![/RL]
Ok I don't like this.
But because I trust Kit.
++Huinesoron

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Let's see what happens..

++Huinesoron

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I almost did that, for the same reason.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Ok, with the vote count looking as it is, it looks like it's going to have to be:

++Huinesoron

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Hui's voters have an almost equal mix of people I trust and people I don't.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Watch Huey be a wolf.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm somewhat having a bad feeling about this and will totally look at the Huine voters toMorrow.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Here's hoping...

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I hope so, even though it would make me look awful.

Wolf-on-wolf is certainly not out of the question. In fact, it's likely. With five of them, they could afford to sacrifice one if it made another one or two look rosier, especially since Urwen's departure gave them what amounts to a free kill.

[Thinlómien]

A very expected Night kill outcome, a very unexpected lynch outcome!

I have to confess I was 95% sure Huin would turn out innocent because "Last minute bandwagons are never against wolves" but I'm very happy to have been wrong!

I don't really see basically any reason for a wolf to vote Huin (except possibly something like the second vote if it looked like it wouldn't gain momentum? I need to have a better look how did it actually go) - I mean it would have been an absolutely unnecessary sacrifice from their pov. Even if Mac is a wolf too, he was surely the more expendable one out of the two with the amount of suspicion he'd garnered, while Huin had largely slipped unnoticed until the last minute bandwagon.

Therefore I would look toDay very hard at everyone who voted Mac after Huin got the first vote. Those were the people who protected Huin and there's almost certain to be AT LEAST one wolf in there, possibly more.


edit: xed with both

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mac's voters are almost all universally null to me.

Hui's voters have an almost equal mix of people I trust and people I don't.

Neat.