Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, no more doubt around KitRanger.

YesterDay's Hueywagon turned out well, but it seemed to me to come out of nowhere. It's the same issue I had with the sudden push on Brinn the previous Day.
Adding to my trepidation was the fact that Lottie and Pitch, who I was very wary of, were on it.

I tried to consolidate yesterDay's comments, and later, votes on Huey :

Wolf-on-wolf is certainly not out of the question. In fact, it's likely. With five of them, they could afford to sacrifice one if it made another one or two look rosier, especially since Urwen's departure gave them what amounts to a free kill.

What an opening post. I am a little surprised that with all those quoted posts, your only actual comments are that Pitch and I are still suspicious...despite voting for a wolf at a pivotal moment...with no mention of the people whose votes might have worked to save Huin, which in my opinion, is a far more suspicious group of people. And which happens to include you.

I broke yesterDay's voters into six groups, as follows, and I personally think those groups say a lot. Could there have been wolf on wolf? Absolutely, but I think you can still say that the people who really swung the vote Huin's way look pretty good.

Voted Huin early
Legate
Kitanna
Pitchwife
Lottie

I would say this group looks pretty decent. Why start up a whole bandwagon and encourage it if you don't have to?

Voted Huin late
Lalaith
Brinn
Eonwe

I would say this group looks very good. The voting was super tight. Any one of these people could have changed the outcome by voting elsewhere.

Voted Mac early
Lommy
Greenie
Huin

I would say this group is fine. It wasn't clear at that point that the vote was between Mac and Huin - I believe Zil was the other name being thrown around - so I don't think these votes were suspicious.

Voted Mac late
Sally
Zil
Boro
(Shasta)

I think this group looks very suspicious. I personally doubt Mac and Huin were packmates; therefore, these votes to me could easily be wolves trying to save a packmate. My guess is that there is one or two wolves between Sally, Zil, and Boro. I don't count Shasta because the vote was already decided when he voted.

Voted elsewhere early
Kath
Lhuna
Mac

Nothing much to say about these votes in my opinion.

Voted elsewhere late
Rune
THE Ka

Specifically, voted for me. I really disliked these votes, but of course I know that they were votes for an innocent, so I might be biased. However, they came at a point where the bandwagons were starting to look pretty set, and I could see a wolf latching onto this as a way to avoid voting for a packmate or committing to trying to save a packmate. Basically throw away votes - most of the people who wanted to vote for me had already voted at this point, there was little chance I would be lynched. I would guess one of these two are wolves.

Okay, so who do I think the wolves are? I think two of Sally/Boro/Zil, one of Rune/Ka, and I would guess Lommy is the fourth, due to the way she and Huin sort of soft suspected each other and the way Lommy ties Huin to Brinn in her #494. Given that a wolf would KNOW Huin was a wolf, and that Lommy does not try to save him but rather soft encourages the bandwagon, I find the decision to tie Huin to someone who later casts one of the late votes against Huin suspicious.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I broke yesterDay's voters into six groups, as follows, and I personally think those groups say a lot. Could there have been wolf on wolf? Absolutely, but I think you can still say that the people who really swung the vote Huin's way look pretty good.

How do you define "early" and "late" in your vote grouping?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

How do you define "early" and "late" in your vote grouping?

Before and after it became clear that the main options to vote were Mac and Huin.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Before and after it became clear that the main options to vote were Mac and Huin.

That just doesn't add up.

You have four people listed as voting Huin early, and me listed as voting elsewhere late, but when I voted only Legate had voted Huin.

You also write this about the votes for you:

Originally Posted by Loslote

However, they came at a point where the bandwagons were starting to look pretty set

.

Really? By the first vote only Mac and Lommy had more than a single vote, and the second vote made you tied for second most votes together with Lommy and Hui (one vote after Mac).

Fair enough if you find the votes suspicious, but your interpretation of the timing of events seems flawed.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

That just doesn't add up.

You have four people listed as voting Huin early, and me listed as voting elsewhere late, but when I voted only Legate had voted Huin.

You also write this about the votes for you:

.

Really? By the first vote only Mac and Lommy had more than a single vote, and the second vote made you tied for second most votes together with Lommy and Hui (one vote after Mac).

Fair enough if you find the votes suspicious, but your interpretation of the timing of events seems flawed.

When I saw you vote, my first reaction was, "What? Why? The people who suspect me have already voted." In my opinion, you have to take into account the overall momentum, not just the actual votes. When you voted, and especially when Ka voted, the momentum had shifted so that Mac and Huin were, at least in my mind at the time, the clear front runners.

[Pitchwife]

On Hui's vocal opposition to the Brinnwagon and voting to save her: I think it's quite possible that he knew her to be innocent and was trying to make himself good in retrospect if she was lynched.


In #346 Greenie says there was something going on here, but Hui's defense of Brinn was too open for a wolf defending a packmate. In a way it is, but supposing the three of them to be packmates, it would make sense for her to try to dissociate Hui and Brinn in case either were lynched and found Infected.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Therefore I would look toDay very hard at everyone who voted Mac after Huin got the first vote. Those were the people who protected Huin and there's almost certain to be AT LEAST one wolf in there, possibly more.

Probably.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

The Hui bandwagon really did come from nowhere - I'm just glad I trusted my gut. I don't think the wolves saw that bandwagon coming, however, I do think there's a fair chance that a wolf is hiding among the Hui voters, so I will not disregard them.

I'm thinking the initial votes on him might have been unexpected, with at least one voting for him, hoping that either A. He wouldn't be lynched in the end, or B. xe would deflect a bit of suspicion for having voted for a wolf.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Another Day in which the baddies have deciding power in the QT vote. That thread has got to be getting interesting.

At least Huey and G55 can't PM.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sadly I don't think we can conclude basically anything of the Kitanna kill, any pack would've done that. I'm really not sure what to make of Brinn's statement that she thought Kit might be an ordo... like seriously????

I'm still flummoxed as to why they gave her an extra Day.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It would be convenient for a wolf to hide behind the "I trust Kit" reason. Revealed ranger, highly likely to be night killed, I can see being a good spot for a wolf to ally themselves and look good.

Oh yes. Perfect cover.

Originally Posted by Loslote

What an opening post. I am a little surprised that with all those quoted posts, your only actual comments are that Pitch and I are still suspicious...despite voting for a wolf at a pivotal moment...with no mention of the people whose votes might have worked to save Huin, which in my opinion, is a far more suspicious group of people. And which happens to include you.

It wasn't really meant as an analysis, just a list (including myself).

[Pitchwife]

On the people Hui soft-suspected but never voted (possible wolf-on-wolf): There was a lot of to-and-fro with and about Lommy (which I need to look at again), and he suspected Lottie and Zil, but only in combination with each other (which IMO makes it unlikely they're both wolves). Zil was more wolvish according to him ('a better-than-even-chance he's a wolf', #429), Lottie only in association with him.

This could be Hui mildly suspecting packmate Lottie but really trying to tarnish Zil, or trying to tarnish innocent Lottie by association if Zil would be found a wolf at some point. Or possibly just casting suspicion on two innocents.
And then of course there's myself, which I leave to you.

[Brinniel]

The votes...

Lommy -> Macalaure
Kath -> Inzil
Lhuna -> Lommy
Macalaure -> Lommy 2
QT -> Brinniel
Greenie -> Macalaure 2
Legate -> Huinesoron
Huinesoron -> Macalaure 3
Rune -> Loslote
Kitanna -> Huinesoron 2
THE Ka -> Loslote 2
Pitchwife -> Huinesoron 3
Loslote -> Huinesoron 4
Sally -> Macalaure 4
Inzil -> Macalaure 5
Lalaith -> Huinesoron 5
Brinn -> Huinesoron 6
Boro -> Mac 6
Eönwë -> Huinesoron 7
Shasta -> Mac 7

Least suspicious votes of the Hui voters are Legate and Pitchwife. They were earlier and really got the ball rolling. Eonwe or Lalaith could possibly be wolf-on-wolf votes if they thought he was not worth saving. I'm somewhere in between the two on Lottie.

Of the Mac voters, I find Inzil's to be most suspect, as his vote came smack dab in the middle. Lommy's vote seems least suspicious to me due to its timing. Shasta voted after any vote really mattered which doesn't tell me much. I think there could be another wolf hiding among this group - maybe Boro, Sally, or to a lesser extent Greenie.

Five players did not vote either Hui or Mac and I feel fairly certain at least one is a baddie floating under the radar. Mac seems innocentish due to reasons I previously mentioned. I feel a little better about Kath because I agree with her suspicion of Inzil and he potentially could've been a lynch candidate at that point when she voted. Worse about Lhuna based on some of her posts yesterDay (including the parting comment about bandwagons). And I really go back and forth on Rune and Greenie - not sure what to think of them. This is a group I will probably take a better look at later this evening.

X-ed with Lommy

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Five players did not vote either Hui or Mac and I feel fairly certain at least one is a baddie floating under the radar. Mac seems innocentish due to reasons I previously mentioned. I feel a little better about Kath because I agree with her suspicion of Inzil and he potentially could've been a lynch candidate at that point when she voted. Worse about Lhuna based on some of her posts yesterDay (including the parting comment about bandwagons). And I really go back and forth on Rune and Greenie - not sure what to think of them. This is a group I will probably take a better look at later this evening.

Just realized there are six voters in this group - completely missed Ka! Gotta keep a better eye on her as she's clearly flying under my radar.

X-ed with Mac and Pitch

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Of the Mac voters, I find Inzil's to be most suspect, as his vote came smack dab in the middle.

It's a given that the votes are scrutinized: that's the best evidence we have.
At that time, I was still fixed on the Rikae-as-possible-Seer idea, and Mac was the only one of their suspects I thought had a shot at being lynched.
Huey was not really on my radar, mainly because it seemed every time I tried to scan one of his posts my brain muttered "what is he talking about?"
I was highly tempted to vote him after I saw Kit, because I was 99% sure she wasn't evil. Then Pitch and Lottie voted for him and I was not going to throw in with people who had been talking about lynching me. Petty, yes. Sorry.

x/d with all since #619

[A Little Green]

Oh the joys of social distancing – I actually spent my Friday night rereading the entire thread. I feel like I developed tunnel vision throughout yesterDay (probably because I had less time while there was more going on in the thread) and was missing a lot of what was going on. I also wanted to look at the last two Days in light of Huin’s role and see who actually fits with him and who doesn’t.
I haven’t included everything everyone said or did, just things that stood out to me – and even so this turned out to be the longest WW post I’ve ever written. Sorry Rune.

Lommy
- D1: G55, D2: Mac
- Suspected by Huin both days but not voted by him at any point; Huin’s D1 suspicion becomes polite back and forth about exaggerating trademark behaviours as a cover
- Suspects Huin for fabricated-seeming arguments, Boro for being non-confrontational and not himself, Pitch for grasping at straws, and Lottie, Kit and Rune for vague wrong-way rub (sidenote: if Lommy is a wolf, this would be a good category to lump a fellow in)
- Later flip-flops about Lottie; would prefer not to lynch Lhuna or Rikae or “maybe not Pitch either”
- D2 reminds village that Brinnwagon doesn’t mean Brinn is innocent; then analyses Rikae’s posts and concludes Mac looks worse than Brinn; says if Brinn is innocent Boro looks better and Lottie looks worse; suspects Lottie (wolfy pov) and Mac
- Worried about Huin but says this is probably a thinking style thing and doesn’t think there’s any particular thing that looks suspicious; then later when he’s starting to emerge as a lynch candidate: “Well that would be a Plot Twist but not necessarily a bad one.”
- Nervous about Lhuna’s “parting shot”
- Speculates about a Mac-Lhuna-Greenie pack (I'm actually disappointed we don't have one as this would be epic!); thinks Inzil looks innocent
- Has bad feeling about Huinwagon. Knee-jerk reaction: this makes me feel better about Lommy. A Lomwolf, minutes before deadline with the lynch of a fellow wolf imminent, probably wouldn’t say she has a bad feeling about the bandwagon against him and will look closer at it toMorrow. Or if she did it’s genius.
- Overall impression: could be anything. Early back and forth suspicion with Huin looks just tame enough to be wolf-on-wolf, especially as they seemingly consider voting each other but don’t; also the whole “voting Huinesoron would be a plot twist but not necessarily bad” looks noncommittal enough to fit as well. On the other hand, as noted above, saying she has a bad feeling about the Huinwagon when it’s already established that he’s going to be lynched would be a weird move from a fellow wolf. In terms of interactions with others and general, non-Huin-related things, she has seemed a little jumpier than usual, like in her reaction to Lhuna’s “parting shot” – I read this as completely unrelated to Lommy and found it odd that she jumped on it. But at the same time, her arguments look reasonable and seem like they’re made from an innocent starting point. So I don’t know. (How fitting that I flip-flop on the Queen of Flip-Flops!)

Legate
- D1: Brinn, D2: Huin
- Huin defends him and suggests he was set up in the discussion following the fake vote plan; Legate doesn’t believe he was being set up by Pitch or others, more suspicious of people who brought this up
- D1 red zone Kit , Eonwe, Greenie and Huin; points out Huin’s G55 vote to save Brinn looks like a wolf saving a packmate
- D2 continues Kit discussion by criticising it with a fairly long post; is questioned by Lalaith on why he criticised those who brought this up but still has Kit on his suspect list
- Considers voting Huin, Lottie, or Brinn; first to bring voting Huin to the table
- Overall impression: leaning innocent. He has suspected Huin from D1 and was the first to bring up voting for him on D2. Huin did defend him on D1, and I don’t really get his response to the whole Kit debacle, but his role in the Huin lynch makes it hard to see him as a wolf.

Lottie
- D1: G55, D2: Huin
- Huin calls her ”somewhat suspicious” on D1
- Agrees with Huin’s G55/Pitch wolf pack -theory and later explicitly says she “finds herself agreeing with Huin a lot” – too blatant for packmates? Later says she would prefer to lynch G55 or Pitch over Brinn, and that she still thinks both G55 and Pitch are wolves; Lommy points out she seems very certain about this for D1
- Takes a ”voice of reason” role in argument between Rikae and G55
- D2 says wolves wouldn’t have rushed to save potential ranger – I might have read this wrong though. If I didn’t, this could imply a wish to make Sally look innocent
- D1 flipflops on Brinn; D2 analyses Brinnwagon assuming Brinn is innocent, says it implicates Legate, Rune, and Mac; seems to have dropped suspicion of Pitch though does say “hasn’t ruled out” a Pitchwolf; later elaborates re: Brinn and says the voting patterns looked like wolves picking between two innocents
- Boro points out Lottie and Inzil boxed the D1 vote between G55 and Brinn, and look suspicious regardless of Brinn’s role; Huin also brings up a connection between Lottie and Inzil, and says Lottie only looks suspicious in connection with Inzil. This makes me doubt both Inzil and Lottie are wolves.
- Suspects participants in the Kit discussion, later elaborates on especially suspecting Inzil and adds lesser suspicions of Boro, Mac and Lommy. In a later post seems to forget Lhuna’s part in discussing Kit, admits this and says it’s a likely bias from getting a general innocent vibe of Lhuna from before
- Says she gets sketchy vibe from Huin, not opposed to lynching him; later votes for him.
- Overall impression: leaning innocent. I started off thinking Lottie is playing safe – others have pointed out that she seems to concentrate on topics that are already controversial, and that she seems almost too measured and consistent. Reading through, I do think there’s some merit to this but I have a hard time seeing her as Huin’s packmate; the D1 repeated and explicit agreeing with Huin doesn’t tally with an otherwise measured and careful Lottiewolf. She also votes for him on a “sketchy vibe” though she had previously expressed suspicion of the other potential lynchee (Mac) and so could have easily voted for him without looking like she was trying to save a packmate. (Unless Mac is a wolf too, in which case this wouldn’t matter.)

Pitchwife
- D1: Brinn, D2: Huin
- Was somewhat suspected on D1 but this seemed to mostly evaporate overNight
- Pinned fake vote plan on Legate – this actually looks reasonable on rereading as he specifically criticises Legate’s plan of a pre-DL DL. Huin suspects him for this and for Brinnwagoning both D1 and D2
- Also suspected by Rikae, more directly than I remembered; this could point to another possibility on why Rikae was targeted.
- D1 suspects “pitchwagoners” Rikae, Brinn, Kitanna and Lottie.
- D2 says Rikae kill “may implicate Brinn, except isn’t that almost too obvious?” – I don’t like this pot-stirring tone
- D1 thinks Huin seems innocentish, D2 suspects Huin and votes for him
- Fourth to bring up Kit but criticises Inzil for initiating it
- Overall impression: leaning innocent. Pitch is another Huin-voter so another less likely pairing – especially given Huin’s persistent suspicion of him. Moreover, Huin’s continued focus on “the GLP” (which sounds like a government department btw) throughout D1 and well into D2 would be weird if it implicated a fellow wolf.

Kath
- D1: G55, D2: Inzil
- Another voice of reason -type person; helpful and sensible, which doesn’t say anything about her role. I actually got very little out of Kath though she’s been quite active, and this is somewhat worrying.
- D1 the only thing that stood out to me was that she was very relieved (I think she actually used that word) that Eonwe saw the fake vote plan the same way she did. Not much, but I think Kath/Eonwe is moderately unlikely as a wolf pair.
- D2 suspects and votes for Inzil because of him bringing up and discussing Kit.
- Overall impression: could be anything. Barely interacts with Huin, which could be coincidence (it’s a big village) or could be deliberate.

Lhuna
- D1 Lhuna, D2 Lommy
- D1 uneasy about Brinn, Inzil, Kit, Mac and Boro; still votes herself
- Third to bring up Kit on D2
- Brings up need to analyse G55 voters as well since she was also technically an innocent; thinks Kath looks fishy, Inzil suspiciously bandwagonny, Lottie sincere, Lommy wicked, tricksy, false, Brinn suspicious, speculates about possible Huin/Brinn pair
- Might vote for Lommy, Brinn or Mac; settles on Lommy and makes a comment about bandwagons not starting with the first vote that Lommy and Boro find ominous
- Initial thoughts: could be anything. No interaction with Huin aside from suggesting he could be in cahoots with Brinn for trying to save her on D1 – possibly not something their fellow would want to bring up if true, but then, it had already been suggested by others by that point so in itself tells us very little. I’m not sure where her suspicion of Lommy came from, and not comfortable with her role in discussing Kit.

Inzil
- D1: G55, D2: Mac
- Suspected but not voted for by Huin on both days, chiefly for flying under the radar despite high post count
- D1 trying to decide whether Legate or G55 makes him more uneasy; later says inclined to vote G55
- Doesn’t like Brinnwagon and says he is “always suspicious of sudden bandwagons”
- D2 says Rikae being the first to vote Brinn is significant deciding factor for Night kill as it’s too early for wolves to make a frame kill.
- First to bring up up Kit – either planned wolf move (possibly counting on Kit being lynched if left alone by wolves long enough?) or bad judgment call; later also pushes idea of a Kitwolf
- Boro points out Lottie and Inzil boxed vote between G55 and Brinn, and says they are both suspicious regardless of Brinn’s role; the potential Lottie connection is also brought up by Huin
- Says he could vote for Mac, Brinn or Lottie; says he isn’t at ease with Huin, but wouldn’t vote for him yet; votes Mac because he distrusts Lottie and Pitch – vote placement sketchy considering Huin’s role
- Overall impression: very possible wolf. Vote ideally placed for trying to save Huin, while saying he “isn’t at ease with Huin” works to make it look less like an effort to save a fellow. Meanwhile, Huin suspected him on both days but, like with Lommy, didn’t actually vote for him. Also the poking of Kitanna looks bad.

Boro
- D1: Pitchwife, D2: Mac
- Somewhat noncommittal and weird Day 1, much more engaged Day 2
- D1 fake votes Legate, switches to Pitch for “playing both sides” and sowing suspicion against both G55 and Legate
- D2 started with assuming Brinn is a wolf but then later seems to accept her behaviour as innocentish; possibly the earlier “assuming she is a wolf” was to test how she would react?
- Huin calls him somewhat suspicious on D1 and on D2 Huin gets unarticulated bad vibes and lists him as one of his top suspects
- Says he doesn’t want to lynch Lommy, Huin or Inzil; votes Mac
- Overall impression: could be anything. I’m finding it hard to follow his reasoning in this game. Interactions with Huin could go either way – Huin suspects him but doesn’t do much about it while he says he doesn’t want Huin lynched, all of which isn't incompatible with wolf-on-wolf. My gut feeling says innocent but so far I haven’t seen anything that would prove it.

Lalaith
- D1: no vote, D2: Huin
- D2: says Greenie, Sally & Inzil feel honest, flipflops about Mac, wary of Legate, takes issue with Brinn’s analysis of the Night kill; later suspicious of Legate and thinks Pitch isn’t getting enough attention despite being on Rikae’s list. The point about Pitch is legitimate.
- Votes Huin because trusts Kit, doesn’t like the options as Legate is her top suspect.
- Overall impression: leaning innocent. Voting for a fellow wolf while saying you don’t really want to doesn’t make sense to me. She had mentioned Mac before and could easily have come up with a reason to pick him over Huin (although, as with Lottie, if Mac is a wolf too this doesn't mean anything). Also independent thinking and her reactions to the whole Kit thing seem sensible to me.

Brinniel
- D1: G55, D2: Huin
- Huin first calls her ”somewhat suspicious” on D1 – then later explicitly defends her to the point that he says he votes G55 to save her – this is maybe even too explicit for packmates?
- D1 wary of G55 and Pitch but doesn’t want to be involved in lynching them as fears being manipulated into it by wolves; says she would go for Inzil; says Pitchwife is most suspicious out of GLP but also that she wants to have a look at those building a case against Pitchwife; later says inclined to vote Kit after a reread of her posts
- D2 somewhat paranoid about Rikae kill – though Lommy had good point about Rikae’s suspicion of her not looking like a Seer with a known wolf
- “Slightly worried” about Huin on D2; votes for him because prefers him to Mac as a lynchee
- Overall impression: possible wolf. Huin’s defensiveness of her is an obvious red flag, though so obvious it’s almost implausible. Her vote for him also makes them slightly less likely packmates (though again, Mac's role does impact this). On the other hand, she does seem over-concerned about not being implicated in anything suspicious. Sigh. I’m inclined to look elsewhere toDay just to keep from getting stuck in my old rut again.

Eönwë
- D1: Urwen, D2: Huin
- D1 noticeably careful and diplomatic: points out Lommy, Zil and Brinn are standing in the sidelines of GLP and wouldn’t be surprised if there was a wolf among them; “unsure” about G55 and Boro; doesn’t voice any outright suspicions on D1, votes Urwen which was a very safe place to go
- D2 speculates on possible wolf pairings – suggests Pitch/Boro and if Brinn is a wolf, either Legate or THE Ka as her packmate due to safe-ish wolf-on-wolf vote placing
- Brings up Shasta’s reaction to Kit and even half-heartedly speculates they are wolves together – this looks like a further attempt to distract from Kit’s slip and makes him look better; later when it’s out in the open brings up how this exchange makes Shasta look innocent
- Lists Lommy and Boro under alarm bells, says hasn’t taken Kit off the hook
- Near DL says Mac looks better and doesn’t suspect Lottie, could vote Brinn or Huin; tie-breaker vote for Huin
- Overall impression: likely innocent. His vote broke the tie in favour of lynching Huin (again final judgment on this depends on Mac), and his reactions to Shasta and Kit look like something that an innocent would do but that wouldn’t necessarily occur to a wolf. Not sure why he didn’t take Kit off the hook, though.

Macalaure
- D1: Brinn, D2: Lommy
- D1 doesn’t like GLP gaining momentum
- D2 paranoid about Rikae kill, and has somewhat wolfish thought processes (convenient evolution of his Brinn suspicion on D1, complex theory about G55 and Rikae and wolf ploy to frame him on D2); interestingly, had joking suicidal tendencies already on D1 when he fake voted himself. This makes me feel a bit better about him actually.
- Reaction to being potential lynch fodder more resigned than desperate, acting more normal towards the end of the Day
- D1 Huin repeatedly says he doesn’t see why Mac is suspicious, and seems to think Mac is suspected more than he actually was at that point; meanwhile Mac says Huin seems reasonable. Then on D2 Mac is one of Huin’s top suspects and is voted by him.
- Suspects Greenie and Lommy; later lists Huin under “very bad” along with me, but this is after he had already voted so couldn’t act on it.
- Overall impression: still possible wolf. Huin’s defence of Mac and exaggeration of how much Mac was suspected could be nervous packmate behaviour, but as with Brinn, it’s almost too blatant. Then on D2 they both suspect each other, though Mac suspects Huin only after he has already voted for Lommy. Huin’s vote for Mac doesn’t necessarily tell us much either way, as his own head was on the block by then. Aside from Huin, the paranoid theories about Rikae and Cobbler55 still don’t sit right with me. But again as with Brinn, I’ll try to look elsewhere too today.

Rune
- D1: Brinn, D2: Lottie
- Sensible, to the point, unalarming; goes against the flow
- D1 suspects Kitanna and Eonwe, thinks the case against Brinn has merit; wants to vote Eonwe but decides on Brinn as a self-proclaimed pragmatist.
- Overall impression: gut says innocent, but could be anything. Barely interacts with Huin, again could be coincidence given the size of the village or could be deliberate distancing.

THE Ka
- D1: Brinn, D2: Lottie
- Calm, careful and reasonable, keeps out of arguments
- Suspects Brinn and Lottie for playing it safe on D1; points out Lottie’s overt support of Huin; if Lottie does turn out to be a wolf after all, this makes me feel better about Ka
- D2 is the second to initially point out Kit’s slip, but doesn’t take part in the later discussion about it with Kit herself
- Suspects Lottie for playing safe, polished, too consistent
- Overall impression: could be anything. Barely interacts with Huin. Arguments against Lottie seem solid. I don’t like how she seconded Inzil’s pointing to Kit; though if Inzil turns out to be guilty, this looks better on Ka, because for two wolves to implicate themselves in initially drawing attention to a Gifted this way would be unnecessarily risky.

Sally
- D1: Brinn, D2: Mac
- Not much to go on D1.
- D2 suspects Eonwe, Mac, Lottie and halfheartedly Brinn; Lommy points out her choices are very uncontroversial; wants to vote Lottie or Mac, ends up with Mac because of “better odds”. Sketchy in light of Huin’s role.
- Overall impression: possible wolf. Doesn’t interact with Huin. Not really enough to base a proper analysis on, but the safe suspect choices, combined with a vote that would have been ideally placed to try to save Huin, do make her look pretty suspicious at the moment.

Shasta
- D1: Pitch, D2: Mac
- Psychic about G55 and Rikae; fake votes Lommy (“first real ping”)
- Pretty much the only sensible innocent reaction to Kit (aside from those who didn’t say anything)
- D2 okay to vote Brinn, Mac or Pitch, feels good about Eonwe and Lottie; votes Mac “for the aesthetic”, Huin already a goner by this point
- Overall impression: leaning innocent, mainly on account of a general gut feeling and his attempt to subtly protect Kit. Doesn’t really interact with Huin, and his vote doesn’t mean much since he knew it wouldn’t have changed anything either way.

[A Little Green]

So looks like that novel of mine basically grouped people into three categories:

Leaning innocent:
Legate
Lottie
Pitch
Lalaith
Eonwe
Shasta

Could be anything:
Lommy
Kath
Lhuna
Boro
Rune
THE Ka

Possible wolf:
Inzil
Brinn
Mac
Sally

I'll just leave that there and go to bed now

[Pitchwife]

I'm looking through Lottie's posts of toDay and just read this:

Originally Posted by Loslote #598 replying to Zil #591

What an opening post. I am a little surprised that with all those quoted posts, your only actual comments are that Pitch and I are still suspicious...despite voting for a wolf at a pivotal moment...with no mention of the people whose votes might have worked to save Huin, which in my opinion, is a far more suspicious group of people. And which happens to include you.

So Zil explains why he didn't want to vote Hui because he mistrusted Lottie and me, and Lottie all but goes up in flames saying "How dare you still suspect us when we lynched a wolf?" When he actually hadn't said anything about whether he still suspected us or not. Then follows it up with this:

Originally Posted by Loslote #598

I broke yesterDay's voters into six groups, as follows, and I personally think those groups say a lot. Could there have been wolf on wolf? Absolutely, but I think you can still say that the people who really swung the vote Huin's way look pretty good.

Voted Huin early
Legate
Kitanna
Pitchwife
Lottie

I would say this group looks pretty decent. Why start up a whole bandwagon and encourage it if you don't have to?

Now this kind of self-gratulation irks me. If you help lynch a wolf and people think you look good for it, you gratefully accept that, but you don't use your vote to exonerate yourself and say you look good for it, because that makes it seem that the vote was, well, calculated to be used this way.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I'm looking through Lottie's posts of toDay and just read this:

So Zil explains why he didn't want to vote Hui because he mistrusted Lottie and me, and Lottie all but goes up in flames saying "How dare you still suspect us when we lynched a wolf?" When he actually hadn't said anything about whether he still suspected us or not. Then follows it up with this:


Now this kind of self-gratulation irks me. If you help lynch a wolf and people think you look good for it, you gratefully accept that, but you don't use your vote to exonerate yourself and say you look good for it, because that makes it seem that the vote was, well, calculated to be used this way.

Eh. People are allowed to be like "hey I did a good job, go me" and pat themselves on the back sometimes.