Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm not sure why Boro calls the votes against me throwaway. Might I remind you I was the first one to get two votes? It could have developed into a bandwagon. It didn't. Some food for thought, if I may say so myself.

It was me being sarcastic with Mac saying, no one else would follow because it came from him:

Lommy makes more sense at this point for obvious reasons. The mere fact that I voted for her probably makes it unlikely for her to gather any additional votes.~Mac

And well he was correct.

Edit: And now I read Ka's post. So, sorry to hear that . Hope you got some joy from being able to come back, but don't feel bad. We'll manage.

[Lalaith]

also don't get why people keep bringing up talking about Kit being the Ranger as a reason to call someone evil. It doesn't make sense - if you're a wolf, and you think someone's the Ranger, you just kill them in the night. If you're an innocent, and you think someone's the Ranger, you don't talk about it either. You only do it if you're the Cobbler wanting to point it out to the wolves, and the Cobbler is dead.

Wolves like confusing the village just as much as cobblers do.

[Lalaith]

[RL] The Ka - I'm so sorry for your loss. My condolences to you and yours - I wish you all strength and courage in having to cope with this sad event at a time which is already difficult. [/RL]

[Brinniel]

Most Concerned About:
Inzil
Sally
Lhuna

Somewhat Worried About:
Boro
Rune
Lalaith
Eonwe

Not Sure About:
Kath
Ka
Shasta
Greenie
Lottie

Feeling Okay About:
Pitch
Lommy
Legate
Mac

I'm torn between voting Inzil and Sally. I think that at least of them are wolves, but I'm not sure if both of them are. And I'd like to hear more from Lhuna since she hasn't really been around toDay.

[Macalaure]

On Day 1, he starts goofing around and then jumps straight into lists, none of which seem particularly useful, I hate to say. I noticed that he was very quick to explain himself to Huin at the mildest criticism.

Originally Posted by Boro

What you must ask though is not "would a wolf stick their head out that early?" but would a Legate-wolf do it? With a pack of 5 there's higher incentive to start out bolder.

Originally Posted by Boro

In the larger group of "under the radars" there are most assuredly wolves. Larger group, easier to stay on the outskirts. A Day 1 vote for a player in this group is low risk, but low reward. Because a lot of the "under the radar" Day 1 behavior is also a sign of ordo villagers who don't have much to say, due to a lack of Day 1 information. And they are forced to wait for information to go on.

Then there's a smaller group of "loud/active" players, and the "under the radars" need this group to stir conversation/discussion. A day 1 "shot in the dark" vote for someone in the smaller group is higher risk, but also higher reward. It's a smaller group so better percentage the shot hits a wolf. Higher risk though because that shot could also inadvertently hit a gifted.

He makes a shockingly negligible amount of sense here.

In #169 he tallies up fake votes (cue rolleyes), responds to Lommy calling him weird, and chimes in on the LPG thing, which was the talk of the Day anyway. He ends up voting for Pitchwife after contributing next to no substance for a whole Day. However, when prodded by Kath he is able to provide some insight into his thinking.


Agrees with Inzil on Eonwe's throwaway vote. In his vote analysis he pretty much ignores all votes not for Gala. I feel like we don't know enough roles yet to tell whether this was conveniently done or because he can only follow so many strings at a time. We all do that, so I don't want to outright suspect him for admitting to it. Huin, however, did vote for Gala, and this bit here is interesting:

Originally Posted by Boro

(Rikae also in their final post to us pointed out the growing "let's not start a wagon against Brinn sentiments - pointing to Huey, Inzil and Lottie). If Brinn's innocent, Inzil and Lottie's vote still look suspicious

Pointing to Huin, but no, not really.

He declares Brinn his main suspect, because she fell into Rikae's trap and he explains it at length in #363. He responds to Huin's criticism with a one-liner, though a sensible one to be fair. In #436 he defends himself quite defensively at people criticizing his focus on one group. I still get what he's saying, but still, depending on roles, this might have been very convenient. I think this is a very interesting thing to keep in mind as more roles are revealed.

When Huin came up as a possible lynch, before him getting a vote, he says it might be too late to start considering him. Instead he analyzes Lhuna, finds her suspicious, but shows no intention of actually voting for her. He lets time pass as the deadline nears.

Originally Posted by Boro

Of those who currently have votes. I do not want to vote Lommy, Inzil or Huey.

Originally Posted by Boro

I've said nothing about Mac, because everyone else has said quite a lot. He looks the suspicious and paranoid part and then he doesn't. His vote for Lommy doesn't feel right, but could be from I just don't find Lommy suspicious.

This has a feel of willingness to lynch while keeping his hands clean. One the one hand, on the other. I didn't say anything, but others have. Yuck.

He's been pushing for Brinniel, if you can call that pushing. He seems rather relaxed to drop that in light of the QT vote, and now is happy to go with the flow. Afterwards says that Brinniel moving on to other things and me insisting on the frame-stuff affected his decision. Meh, fair enough, I suppose, except his suspicion on Brinn was solely based on Rikae's trap on Day1, as far as I can see, so I'm not sure this goes together 100%.

Votes fairly late. If he already made up his mind to vote for me and not Huin, why the wait?


ToDay, his analysis of Huin is sadly sparse in actual conclusions. He does find it unlikely that me and Huin are both wolves. So, go me? There's not much else to say for the whole day. He talks a lot, but instead of being rock-solid, his points all feel like silly putty.


Boro feels off. The thing that gives me pause is, when prodded, he actually gives very solid reasons. What he said in response to Kath regarding the LPG, the thought process with Rikae's trap, all that is solid.

There's some suspicious connection with Huin, but not a strong one. Might just be the normal amount that any innocent randomly accumulates over time. I don't want to be "paranoid"...

He's not putting me at ease at all, though. He's definitely in my list of suspects, just not at the top at this point. There are heads more ready for rolling. I feel with him, as we get hopefully more valuable info over the next Day or so, things will clear up with him. Then he can either have my axe, or my axe in the back.


I missed a whole bunch of posts thinking and writing this out. Catching up now.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Wolves like confusing the village just as much as cobblers do.

Sure, but not in ways that will get them immediately suspected. Wolves play safer than Cobblers do, on the whole, because it's more important for them to stay alive.

[Pitchwife]

If sally had already sent in a pick but has second thoughts about it, then it would make sense for her not to want to be lynched. As I took it she seemed to indicate with her earlier '...depending on how my suspicions play out'.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

If sally had already sent in a pick but has second thoughts about it, then it would make sense for her not to want to be lynched. As I took it she seemed to indicate with her earlier '...depending on how my suspicions play out'.

Why on earth would the hunter send the pick earlier than she has to?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Lommy

If Sally was the real hunter and thought she's gonna get lynched, wouldn't she let us do it and gun for whoever she thinks is the most suspicious, then let us analyse the bandwagon against known innocent her the Day after? We're not yet at a point where we can't afford lynching an innocent. I'm aware it's a question of playing style and how many risks you want to take, but if I was in Sally's position and the hunter I would never ever reveal.

Yeah, not buying it.

I've been pondering over this too. I just don't understand why a hunter would reveal because the point of their existence is to die and hopefully take a wolf down with them. Of course it's preferable at Night, but if she is the hunter, now they'll probably never Night kill her. And while I understand the concern about taking out another innocent, I would think Hunter Sally more likely to take that risk.

X-ing with a bunch of posts I see.

[Loslote]

And I really don't like that Sally didn't tell us who her pick would be. If you ARE the Hunter, give us all the information so we can make an informed decision!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

And I really don't like that Sally didn't tell us who her pick would be. If you ARE the Hunter, give us all the information so we can make an informed decision!

Exactly, seconding this. SALLY!!! Tell us now (now that you have revealed your supposed role anyway) and we can make an informed decision based on this.

The sooner the better. The sooner the better. The sooner the better.

Any minute you spend with it means you are spending time making it up.