Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Lalaith]

Well at least the baddies are no longer in the majority on the QT.

[Lalaith]

I agree btw that Lommy's bloodlust at the close of yesterDay was quite scary.

[Lhunardawen]

[RL]Really sorry for the absence and non-vote yesterDay. I had taken a supposed nap after work and didn’t wake up until after the deadline. [/RL]


It feels hypocritical to analyse these votes when I didn’t put one in.

DAY 3 VOTES (with Day 2, Day 1)

THE Ka -> Sally (Lottie 2, Brinniel 3)
QT -> Brinn (Brinn)
Eönwë -> Sally 2 (Hui 7, Urwen)
Kath -> Inzil (Inzil, G55 2)
Greenie -> Sally 3 (Mac 2, Mac)
Lommy -> Sally 4 (Mac, G55 5)
——HunterSally reveal——
Inzil -> Brinn 2 (Mac 5, G55 3)
Lottie -> Sally 5 (Hui 4, G55 4)
Lalaith -> Sally 6 (Hui 5, no vote)
Legate -> Sally 7 (Hui, Brinn 5)
Shasta -> Sally 8 (Mac 7, Pitch 2)
Brinn -> Sally 9 (Hui 6, G55 7)
Rune -> Inzil 2 (Lottie, Brinn 4)
Boro -> Sally 10 (Mac 6, Pitch)
Pitch -> Eonwe (Hui 3, Brinn 2)
No vote: Lhuna (Lommy, Lhuna)


Based on the voting patterns ALONE, these stand out to me at the moment:

Likely Innocent
Lottie
Cast a decisive Hui vote. Her reactions to being a possible Huntee looked genuinely innocent to me.

Pitch
Cast a decisive Hui vote. He believed sally’s reveal, so his vote for Eonwe shows integrity.


Bad
Eonwe
I still think his vote for Urwen was a throwaway.
I still believe his vote for Hui could be wolf-on-wolf.
He prefaced his vote for sally with

Since I have to go now, I worry that if I leave, there might be a bandwaggon for someone I don't think is evil, so, let's make this a thing:

I do not understand this at all.

Lommy
I know she had been consistent about suspecting sally yesterDay, but she could be a wolf who knows that sally is likely to target an innocent based on her suspicions, so she boldly challenged her claim and pushed for her lynching. Two birds, one stone.

Shasta
I’m still not comfortable about that throwaway Mac vote. Also voting for Sally after this

I don't believe Sally, but equally - we shouldn't lynch her. If she's real, we force the wolves to kill her; if she's fake, the real Hunter hunts her. Easy enough.

then afterwards saying this

There would come a point where we'd QT Sally as the last possible wolf. But I'm more inclined to think she's a wolf the longer she goes without posting, so I'm more fine with QTing her, I guess.

I don’t follow.

Boro
I still think his late vote for Mac on Day 2 was an attempt to save Hui. The strange thing, however, is that before the Huiwagon gained steam, he threw in a comment agreeing with Legate (after he expressed that he’s considering voting for Hui) that Hui was worth giving a more thorough look. He probably didn’t expect the Huiwagon to take off the way it did, and so held his vote at the last possible minute to save him.
His vote for sally came after concurring with Shasta’s first statement above. Also, his “If you're the hunter, happy killing” comment just sounds too flippant. Like “I know your current suspects are innocents so have fun killing any of them.” Again, two birds, one stone. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a couple of wolves voted for sally for this very reason.


Should look more closely
Brinn
Mighty strange how all her votes came in towards the end of a successful bandwagon, even if we don’t count the Day 1 vote to save herself.

Rune
Last mention of Zil on Day 2, he was in his neutral zone, and his suspects were Brinn, Lottie, and Eonwe. YesterDay, he said his quick read-through had not yielded any new suspicions. Afterwards he asked to confirm if his understanding of why Zil and sally were being suspected is accurate, which Legate did. Next thing we see, he could vote for Zil as well as his three suspects without feeling too bad about it. So while his not voting for sally is consistent with his stand on her reveal, his choice of vote seems oddly out of the blue.

Greenie
Primarily because she has voted for two known innocents so far

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

[RL]Really sorry for the absence and non-vote yesterDay. I had taken a supposed nap after work and didn’t wake up until after the deadline. [/RL]

I didn't make your list?

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Shasta
I’m still not comfortable about that throwaway Mac vote. Also voting for Sally after this then afterwards saying this I don’t follow.

I'm not sure I do, either.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Boro
I still think his late vote for Mac on Day 2 was an attempt to save Hui. The strange thing, however, is that before the Huiwagon gained steam, he threw in a comment agreeing with Legate (after he expressed that he’s considering voting for Hui) that Hui was worth giving a more thorough look. He probably didn’t expect the Huiwagon to take off the way it did, and so held his vote at the last possible minute to save him.
His vote for sally came after concurring with Shasta’s first statement above. Also, his “If you're the hunter, happy killing” comment just sounds too flippant. Like “I know your current suspects are innocents so have fun killing any of them.” Again, two birds, one stone. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a couple of wolves voted for sally for this very reason.

I really don't see why innocents would blithely wave goodbye at a revealed Hunter, who, if they were legitimate, still had a worse than even chance of hitting a wolf.

x/d with Boro and Pitch

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Boro
I still think his late vote for Mac on Day 2 was an attempt to save Hui. The strange thing, however, is that before the Huiwagon gained steam, he threw in a comment agreeing with Legate (after he expressed that he’s considering voting for Hui) that Hui was worth giving a more thorough look. He probably didn’t expect the Huiwagon to take off the way it did, and so held his vote at the last possible minute to save him.
His vote for sally came after concurring with Shasta’s first statement above. Also, his “If you're the hunter, happy killing” comment just sounds too flippant. Like “I know your current suspects are innocents so have fun killing any of them.” Again, two birds, one stone. I wouldn’t be surprised if at least a couple of wolves voted for sally for this very reason.

Interesting. I wonder...but that will have to wait.

My comments to sally were tongue-in-cheek. After she pulled that reveal and left us hanging, until right before the DL I seriously doubted she was the hunter. I was wrong.

All you people looking at Lommy's "blood lust" are hypocrites. Apologies if that's offensive, but 10 people voted for sally. Yes there's a sure thing wolf votes are in there, but you can't tell me that people believed that reveal with how the end of day played out. I mean no offense to sally, we've all been there, but you can't blame an unconvincing reveal on a few people and act like you knew she was the real hunter. Unless you already knew she was the hunter.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

All you people looking at Lommy's "blood lust" are hypocrites. Apologies if that's offensive, but 10 people voted for sally. Yes there's a sure thing wolf votes are in there, but you can't tell me that people believed that reveal with how the end of day played out. I mean no offense to sally, we've all been there, but you can't blame an unconvincing reveal on a few people and act like you knew she was the real hunter. Unless you already knew she was the hunter.

Personally, I cycled through "it's fine, it's fine, she's faking, she's a wolf, there's no way" and "oh no oh no she's the Hunter who is she going to kill????" so fast my head was spinning. Yeah, I was the one in danger, but still, there was no glee whatsoever when I thought about "what if she IS the Hunter?". And I'm pretty sure you can tell, reading my posts, that I was absolutely dreading her killing an innocent. You could tell from Legate's posts that he was frantic, too. The only people who wouldn't be frantic and full of dread and panic would have been the wolves, who had a really good idea of what was about to happen. There were too many unknowns for the villagers to have been comfortable, and when I look at the people I know were innocent around the deadline, we really, really were not comfortable. Therefore, the people who did not come across as frantic and uncomfortable? I highly suspect they are wolves.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'm pretty sure you can tell, reading my posts, that I was absolutely dreading her killing an innocent. You could tell from Legate's posts that he was frantic, too. The only people who wouldn't be frantic and full of dread and panic would have been the wolves, who had a really good idea of what was about to happen. There were too many unknowns for the villagers to have been comfortable, and when I look at the people I know were innocent around the deadline, we really, really were not comfortable. Therefore, the people who did not come across as frantic and uncomfortable? I highly suspect they are wolves.

THIS!!! I mean, yes, on paper it's the Hunter's job to die and (hopefully) take a wolf with them, and sally knew that as well as anybody, so if the Hunter, knowing this, asks you not to lynch them, what do you do?

I really didn't and don't care for Lommy's assertions that we could totally afford to lynch an innocent this early, and if sally hit another innocent, meh, well, bad luck but not the end of the world. Effectively lynching sally amounted to a free kill for the wolves.

[Pitchwife]

It really sucks to loose Legate - maybe the only player I felt I could trust (although I felt pretty good about Mac too yesterDay).


Zil, when you voted Brinn and invited people to vote you, were you trying to save sally or what? I think it was before her reveal, and your post looked unfinished.

Originally Posted by Zil re Lommy 616

This is quite a lofty position for someone who voted the same way, albeit early, and who was given softball suspicion from Huey.

This. She came out of the gate yesterDay (#593) asserting there had to be at least one wolf who voted Mac after the first Hui vote, and other people (Lottie, Brinn, Eönwë) repeated the point so often that 'suspecting the late Mac voters' almost turned into a meme. Makes me wonder whether we are to be distracted from a wolf in the EARLY Mac voters (or, if there is indeed a wolf among the late voters and sally was use to distract from them).

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Zil, when you voted Brinn and invited people to vote you, were you trying to save sally or what? I think it was before her reveal, and your post looked unfinished.

I was going to add more, but the boss (my better half) was calling.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

This. She came out of the gate yesterDay (#593) asserting there had to be at least one wolf who voted Mac after the first Hui vote, and other people (Lottie, Brinn, Eönwë) repeated the point so often that 'suspecting the late Mac voters' almost turned into a meme. Makes me wonder whether we are to be distracted from a wolf in the EARLY Mac voters (or, if there is indeed a wolf among the late voters and sally was use to distract from them).

Quite possible. I still think there was at least one wolf on Huey.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I was going to add more, but the boss (my better half) was calling.

Out of curiosity, what would you have added?

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I still think there was at least one wolf on Huey.

That too.


If there was another wolf (beyond Hui) among those who voted Mac before the Huiwagon, this would have to be Lommy or Greenie; if among the later Mac voters maybe Boro (whom several people had grouped with sally and Zil as top suspects yesterDay but gave a pass), or maybe even Shasta.


(By the way, we have now had two bandwagons against innocents with people voting them because "why would an innocent X act like this?" I think the next person to use this argument may get an automatic vote from me.)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Out of curiosity, what would you have added?

Just that I had a better feeling about Mac.