Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXV: On the Borders of Mirkwood - Dead Thread

[Loslote]

Stop with the "empower x" lists, please!!

[Loslote]

Stop. Talking. About. The. Lists!!! Who are you voting for TODAY???

[Formendacil]

The obsession with finding out who Greenie might have dreamed of on Night 4 when they have not figured out the clues she left for the three other Nights is... troubling.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

The obsession with finding out who Greenie might have dreamed of on Night 4 when they have not figured out the clues she left for the three other Nights is... troubling.

Right??? And why in the world is no one talking about who they're going to vote toDay???

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Kath

I find myself in agreement with Mac and in opposition to particularly Pitch and a bit less Rikae and Shasta. That kind of naturally pushes me to feeling ok about Mac and not good about Pitch.

There it is! The wolves are pushing Pitch. The innocents NEED to come together and push against the wolves NOW.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Stop with the "empower x" lists, please!!

Now absolutely honestly and disregarding the particularities of this game, of my role, and whether or not this helps anyone - I generally think "using the Dead Thread as channel for lists" is, for lack of better word, un-classy. As long as the Dead can use the Medium to speak their mind freely, that's good, but making the Dead Thread into an instrument, like a computer that just spits out a result after we feed it data, I generally don't like. I actually think that was the reason why Nog originally in his previous game decided not to go the empowering vote-route (because this has been done before, and more often), but to make the Dead vote straightaway. I mean, this is okay - nothing against it - and it can be used for various shenanigans by both parties (and I remember a game when the Living gave a list, then they changed it after the Dead already voted according to the previous list and the Dead would have strangled all the Living in their sleep if they could) - but I think Nog was onto something when he picked a different route.

I'm having an interesting idea - making the Dead disempower a person with their vote (making it count as zero). I mean, it would be perfect ventilation for frustration of the Dead players, could be used to communicate, etc. If I mod again, I'm gonna explore that possibility. (But if anyone wants... think about it. I think it's a nice idea. Maybe it has downsides. Likely it has. Haven't thought of them yet.)

Originally Posted by Loslote

Right??? And why in the world is no one talking about who they're going to vote toDay???

Because that's what people do. To be fair, I think - and after reading this thread I felt reassured in that opinion - that the Dead perceive things differently than the Living. When you are Living, everything until about one hour before you have to vote feels like plenty of time. There's time for everything. Then yes, of course, suddenly you are in a hurry. But you didn't realise it before. There was time to discuss everything in the world from Gifteds and Cobblers and lists to Wolf manicure.

When you're in the DT, you're just waiting... and waiting... and waiting for the bloody Living to say something concrete, and they... just don't. Because time simply passes differently if you're already in the Beyond, seeing everything from the perspective of Eternity rather than living every moment and every post as if it could be your last! Ha! I'm onto some metaphysical revelations here, possibly.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I'm having an interesting idea - making the Dead disempower a person with their vote (making it count as zero). I mean, it would be perfect ventilation for frustration of the Dead players, could be used to communicate, etc. If I mod again, I'm gonna explore that possibility. (But if anyone wants... think about it. I think it's a nice idea. Maybe it has downsides. Likely it has. Haven't thought of them yet.)

What if the Dead had one vote, one empowerment, and one disempowerment to use over the whole game, and they had to use them wisely? That could be fun!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Rikae

We have three hours, better now than later/never. Okay, alternative suggestion:

If night 4 dream = innocent, no vote
If night 4 dream = wolf, as follows:

If Brinniel is a wolf, empower Kath.
If Kath is a wolf, empower Lommy.
If Macalaure is a wolf, empower Pitch.
If Pitch is a wolf, empower Mac.
If Rikae is a wolf, empower Brinniel.
If Sally is a wolf, empower Nilp.
If Shasta is a wolf, empower Sally.
If Nilp is a wolf, empower Shasta.
If Lommy is a wolf, empower Rikae.

Or some other arrangement that pairs people who are unlikely to be wolves together.

Apparently we are using this list now.

[Loslote]

Looks like the "safe vote" to indicate we suspect Mac would be Pitch. Since Kath listed Pitch as her number one suspect, that might suggest he isn't a wolf, so I guess Mediumizing him would be okay.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

What if the Dead had one vote, one empowerment, and one disempowerment to use over the whole game, and they had to use them wisely? That could be fun!

There is something to that! But that would limit those who came "later". If some stupid Dead (or evil Dead, or Cobblers - hi G55 - or whoever) wasted one useful thing on the first Day, then those who came later would be robbed of the chance of even having it as their option.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

There is something to that! But that would limit those who came "later". If some stupid Dead (or evil Dead, or Cobblers - hi G55 - or whoever) wasted one useful thing on the first Day, then those who came later would be robbed of the chance of even having it as their option.

Exactly - gives the evil Dead the chance to actually affect the game! Also gives the Dead high stakes decisions to make.