TIG CXVII: Admin Thread

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Sorry; I meant that "the Ghost" could be a role used by the DT in one of two ways: either to send in during the Day to talk to the LT, or as a Dead Seer read. In the latter case, there wouldn't be an actual 'Ghost' talking to the Living.

Ah, as in: we want to use one of the 3 Ghostly apparitions to dream Living!G55 instead of sending a messenger.

Or: we vote Dead!G55 as the Ghost. Now, G55 has a choice, to either haunt the village during the Day, or at some point that Day to divine the identity of a villager, but not both. I suppose the Ghost would have all Day to make the choice, until they commit to one path.

Originally Posted by Hui

Nice development of the idea. So the dead wolf gets to decide what the dead learn? Secretly, or does everyone see their options?

If everyone sees it, that loses the point, no? I was thinking that I PM the wolf, and they have, say, 12h to make a choice on which statement gets shared with the DT. This gives them two benefits: they see more information than the rest of the DT (and might divine the gifted's identity perhaps), and they have some control over the information that the dead innocents see. At the end of 12h, if the wolf does not respond, I will select a statement at random to post, so the DT is not left floundering without information. The 12h can also be a shorter time, say 2h. Preferably something that doesn't bias against a particular time zone.

Originally Posted by Hui

Do these Night effects also happen on the Night when there's only one dead player? It would be kind of funny for a dead Wolf to come back and just mock the living all day long.

I would say that's within the rights of a Fenrissed Wolf. ^.^

The consolation prize of the D1 lynchee is that they get to control all the power of the DT.

Originally Posted by Hui

I'm kind of inclined to the liberal version, perhaps with the proviso that if it really breaks things, the mod can switch to a limited version for subsequent ghost appearances.

That's sensible. If the first apparition breaks things, the rules may be modified for the subsequent ones.

Originally Posted by Hui

As long as the mod is fair when it comes to subjective posting (is "long quotes aren't very helpful" an instruction? How about "that wasn't very helpful"?), sure.

I think that falls within the realm of general discussion. What I wouldn't want to see is "If you know G55 is a wolf, post a quote from A Long Expected Party. If you think but don't know G55 is a wolf, post a quote from An Unexpected Party". But interacting with a Ghost is fine, I think, via responses like "I think the Ghost means X", or "that wasn't very helpful". I am inclined to allow questions, eg "Ghost, is X true?", without instructions about the answer. But that can probably be abused more... Suggestions?

Also, would it be fair to limit the Ghost's power just slightly, by making him wait at least 10 minutes between posts? That can curb last-minute ouija sessions at DL, but still allows ample participation throughout the Day.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

[*]At the start of the Night, the DT gets a snippet of information from me, not too revealing but giving some info about the previous Day, including wolf and gifted activities. As a way to include dead baddies, perhaps in the event there is a dead wolf, I will give them a choice of 2-3 statements, and they get to choose which one gets revealed.

I really like this - it's nice to give the dead baddies a little control over what info is shared! I think if the Cuties are essentially an information sharing role, we should have a Ranger instead of a Seer, but that's just my two cents. The proposed deadline works great for me, and I'm excited for this game!

[Pitchwife]

Count me in!

Originally Posted by The Moddess

Or: we vote Dead!G55 as the Ghost. Now, G55 has a choice, to either haunt the village during the Day, or at some point that Day to divine the identity of a villager, but not both. I suppose the Ghost would have all Day to make the choice, until they commit to one path.

My first gut reaction is against this, simply because there's nothing more frustrating for wolves than to actually sniff out and kill the Seer only for the mod*dess to pull a backup Seer out of their hat. As long as the divined info is only divulged to the Dead and a subsequent ghost has no way of revealing it unambiguously I suppose that's ok.

[Morsul the Dark]

I’ll do it

[Galadriel55]

And the village grows! Wonderful.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

My first gut reaction is against this, simply because there's nothing more frustrating for wolves than to actually sniff out and kill the Seer only for the mod*dess to pull a backup Seer out of their hat. As long as the divined info is only divulged to the Dead and a subsequent ghost has no way of revealing it unambiguously I suppose that's ok.

I think part of that set up is that there is no Seer in the game; we are working with very small numbers, this may change as people sign up. And from the way I understood Hui's proposal, if the Dead decide to dream instead of haunt, then the info is only revealed to the DT (or even just to the Ghost), and they lose one of their shots at communicating with the GT. It's a very roundabout one-time *dead* Seer.

However, if there are going to be more sign ups and we will have a Seer after all, I think this function would be excessive. In that case, the DT will potentially have information via a real dead Seer. Without a Seer though, it's one of the several proposed ways in which the DT can be useful for the GT. Still up for discussion. I'm in a neutral position on it, and I think the decision will rest largely on numbers and the existence of a Living Seer.

[Morsul the Dark]

I feel the info the DT is already cryptic and then the ghost can only communicate in quotes so not like they can pop in and say “yeah Morsul killed me” so I’m in favor of that idea

[Formendacil]

I got my first of two Covid vaccines, which is a net positive, but it's left me knocked out today, so I'm just popping in to say that I am in favour of a generally weak Ghost (i.e. a feather on the scales of the game, not a game-changer), but if we remain in a low-numbers situation, I'm fine with making it a combo-role with the Seerish aspect.

Mind you, whatever rules are decided on, I'm game to play regardless.

[satansaloser2005]

Pick me! Pick me!

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I think part of that set up is that there is no Seer in the game; we are working with very small numbers, this may change as people sign up. And from the way I understood Hui's proposal, if the Dead decide to dream instead of haunt, then the info is only revealed to the DT (or even just to the Ghost), and they lose one of their shots at communicating with the GT. It's a very roundabout one-time *dead* Seer.

That was my idea, but I'd be the first to say it isn't fully developed - more, in the manner of Password musings, a partial concept put in to give other people ideas.

I think the 'Mod infodump + standard Ghost' concept is probably a better one - it lets the mod control what the DeadThread can learn, and keeps them from lucking into being a massive game-changer. Like, if they scan Galadriel55 as the last wolf, the Ghost can just go:

Originally Posted by RotK

The Dead awaken;
for the hour is come for the oathbreakers:
at the Stone of Erech they shall stand again
and hear there a horn in the hills ringing.

Originally Posted by FotR

Up from the dark plain below came the crying of fell voices, and the howling of many wolves.

Originally Posted by FotR

Even as he spoke, they saw, as if she came in answer to their words, the Lady Galadriel approaching.

Which would be a fairly epic way to end the game, but also kind of unfair on the wolves: a Ghost Seer means they can't even fake-reveal to protect themselves!

hS

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Which would be a fairly epic way to end the game, but also kind of unfair on the wolves: a Ghost Seer means they can't even fake-reveal to protect themselves!

Hmm, good point. I guess there's the flip side: the wolves have no Seer to fear unless the Ghost makes the grand reveal, and the village don't have a Seer's hints to go on. But your demonstration has made quite an impression.

Okay, perhaps a lighter Ghost is a better idea for a test run.

Now if both Boro and BG are still game, we will have 11 players. I think that borders on allowing a 3-wolf pack and/or a Seer. If we are still 9 total, I would stick with 2 wolves + 1 gifted, but 11 might accommodate the upgrade. Thoughts?

On the topic of Boro and BG, I sent them a PM asking to confirm their willingness to join on Monday. Can someone also reach out via other platforms, so they might see this earlier and have some advance warning of the game start?

Originally Posted by Hui

I think the 'Mod infodump + standard Ghost' concept is probably a better one - it lets the mod control what the DeadThread can learn, and keeps them from lucking into being a massive game-changer.

That is a responsibility I am a little nervous about. To make it more objective, I made a list of topics to base the clues on (eg player's names, roles, etc). I could randomize the list each Night to give some level of objectivity to making the hints, but it would all have to be tempered with judgement anyways.

[Thinlómien]

As usual, I haven't delved into the rules yet, but I'd like to sign up.