TIG CXVII: GAME Thread:

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I don't know why that would be considered strange? I mean isn't it a natural tendency to focus on the person accusing and asking you direct questions?

Sure, but to the exclusion of all else? And with somewhat dramatic shifts in opinion (that were strongly stated for being based on not much to begin with? Like I said, it could be an ordoMorsul with tunnel vision, or it could be a wolfMorsul trying to invent suspicions. The one scenario I don’t think is likely is both of them being wolves - and the interactions from Morsul to Huin look more targeted than the other way around, so I’m more able to draw conclusions about Morsul then I am about Huin, who has been very active on a number of fronts so far.

[Morsul the Dark]

Not sure what to post about anyone else since most are just neutral posts on everyone and then Huin and Morsul are weird right? But Morsul is weirder. I called it earlier I’m an easy bandwagon and I don’t even understand how I was supposed to act to avoid being thrown under the bus. There seems to be a lot of emphasis on me becoming suddenly suspicious when I actually say why. Which also contained why I was least suspicious. (First time felt genuine((least suspicious)) kept poking((more suspicious)))

No this doesn’t feel right to me. The argument Lommie is the first one I see that makes the argument that I’m suspicious because I’m touchy(a phrase oft repeated here). Which feels like getting poked over and over and reacting and everyone goes “See why would they react?”

Kath gets a vote in early which I’m sure is based on everyone having wildly different time zones but is also an easy defense if I am killed and proven innocent.

Boro seems to see through this nonsense but annoyingly that helps if he is a wolf since he can then say “told you so”

I dunno. If Huin is a wolf then well played that was an excellent orchestration of events.

Don’t know who I’m voting. Probably Huin but I’m not set in stone on that.

[Pitchwife]

Thing is, I've seen this kind of mutual suspicion between Hui and Morsul before, and watched it happily as a wolf munching popcorn. Hui is always pushy-pokey, and Morsul is always a bit of a wild card, as well as an easy target, like he said himself. It's an explosive mixture. Right now I'm leaning towards seeing them both as innocent.


Also, I'm puzzled by this from Kath:

Originally Posted by Kath #37

I do think though it's unlikely Hui and Morsul are both wolves here - I feel that Hui's playing style would mean they'd have no qualms about throwing another wolf under the bus, and that the suspicion of Morsul is almost too half-hearted by this post for it to be a wolf-Hui doing that.

So you're saying that
- it's unlikely they're both wolves
- Hui can't be a wolf because he isn't trying hard enough to bus Morsul

- therefore Morsul must be a wolf?
I'm not sure I follow this reasoning. It seems to presuppose that one of them has to be a wolf, which I find questionable. And wouldn't the very half-heartedness of Hui's suspicion rather suggest wolf-on-wolf than not? Or are you really saying that a Huiwolf would try harder to bus a packmate on D1? There's being fine with bussing, and there's pushing it without need - big difference.

[Huinesoron]

Boro has posed another question of the 'you say this is bad/strange, but what if actually it's not?' structure, so I'm happy to put his original version re: debates down to playstyle. Not high on my suspects list at this point.

I'm sensing a bit of a Morsul focus forming... Lommy highlighting it as one of the few suspicious things, Kath echoing this and adding a vote, Lottie spending most of her last two posts on it. Not a wagon per se, but a wolf in there could be pushing for one.

But then again, each time Morsul posts I'm split between thinking 'wounded innocent' and 'cornered wolf'. Mostly they sound very genuinely fed up at being unfairly suspected, but then we get:

Originally Posted by Morsul

I don’t even understand how I was supposed to act to avoid being thrown under the bus.

Like... if you're innocent, I don't think you go around implying you're putting on an act (or that you think you should have, which is another possible reading). The "next time I'll lie" post from earlier shows the same not-very-innocent-seeming thought process.

Of the other people now around, I think Pitch looks innocent and sensible, but I'm pretty sure I always do and occasionally get bitten for it. Kath's comments also look like genuine innocent musings - her note on Greenie's comments on Legate, for instance.

Below that, nothing concrete: Lottie feels fine, Lommy is giving me undefined uneasiness, and it's nice to see Soriman but there's not much to say about them.

I also haven't gotten over my suspicion of Greenie's tagging onto suspicions (I know someone else commented on this but can't find who), but without any more appearances I can't really add to that.

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

[b]

But then again, each time Morsul posts I'm split between thinking 'wounded innocent' and 'cornered wolf'. Mostly they sound very genuinely fed up at being unfairly suspected, but then we get:
[Morsul asking how to act]

Like... if you're innocent, I don't think you go around implying you're putting on an act (or that you think you should have, which is another possible reading). The "next time I'll lie" post from earlier shows the same not-very-innocent-seeming thought process.
hS

++Huin

This just feels like pushing a bandwagon while pretending to not wanting it.

My quote conveniently out of context was basically saying I said an answer and you saying I didn’t use the right words. All of which weren’t the actual answer. Hence the lying quote. My posts were what I thought and said because they were true. Could I have worded them differently? Perhaps but I certainly wouldn’t lie.

[Formendacil]

This will be a terrible post in hindsight if [b]Hui[b] turns out to be a Wolf, but purely on the basis of Day 1, I am against lynching him toDay--that is EXACTLY what we did last game and we are going down that same garden path and it was a horrifically stupid loss for the Village, and for exactly the same reasons.

...which is me breaking protocol and referencing past games, I guess, but even insofar as Hui is the anti-me (i.e. trying way to hard to analyze Day 1 during Day 1), I think lynching him for that on Day 1 would be as bad as lynching me.

(I realise I've offered no alternative, but "the most lurky" seems as fair a way to do it as any. Actually... can I propose a rule for future games? No? Okay, but let me put a pin in this for post-games. I have a rule-change proposal. )

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

(I realise I've offered no alternative, but "the most lurky" seems as fair a way to do it as any. Actually... can I propose a rule for future games? No? Okay, but let me put a pin in this for post-games. I have a rule-change proposal. )

I would agree with this, but we don't have anyone who could qualify as a 'lurker' who I would be willing to vote. It's Soriman's first game, so it's expected that he'll be posting less often as he gets the hang of the game, Sally is usually quieter, especially on Day 1, I've really appreciated Kath's posts when she was here, and I think I'm next up for quantity of posts...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I think I will just go with my top suspect. I am sure there is still a lot that may happen before DL, but I have to go to sleep. I would be okay with Hui as well, but I still think Greenie has been acting in a more definedly suspicious manner.

++Greenie

Good Night, village, and may we sleep safely.

EDIT: x-ed with Hui

[Formendacil]

Lottie's response to me first talking about "voting the lurkers."

Originally Posted by Loslote

I would agree with this, but we don't have anyone who could qualify as a 'lurker' who I would be willing to vote. It's Soriman's first game, so it's expected that he'll be posting less often as he gets the hang of the game, Sally is usually quieter, especially on Day 1, I've really appreciated Kath's posts when she was here, and I think I'm next up for quantity of posts...

Lottie when I actually post about it:

Originally Posted by Loslote

I mean, I don't love this - it feels like an abdication of responsibility for your vote, which is a way for a wolf to not leave a trail - but a note for the future: IF Form or Huin or, I'd say, Greenie turn out to be a wolf, Form seems to be gearing up to throw his vote in a completely different direction, which a) doesn't save the people on the chopping block and b) doesn't leave a trail connecting Form to either of them. That probably suggests Form isn't a packmate with either of them. Again, just a note for the future.

I mean, absolutely, yes, if this is me saving a wolf or making myself innocuous, then this will look bad later. By the same token, if Sally is a Wolf, then the first quote looks like subtly nudging away from a packmate and Post 2 looks like setting me up for future scapegoating if/when it turns out Huin or Greenie is a lynched innocent.

All of which is to say... Wild Mass Guessing. Lottie's probably innocent, except for the fact that she accused me, and that raises my suspicions.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Lottie's response to me first talking about "voting the lurkers."

Lottie when I actually post about it:

I liked the idea in theory, but when I looked at what it would actually mean in this game, I didn't like what it would actually look like. But fair point.

Originally Posted by Formendacil

I mean, absolutely, yes, if this is me saving a wolf or making myself innocuous, then this will look bad later. By the same token, if Sally is a Wolf, then the first quote looks like subtly nudging away from a packmate and Post 2 looks like setting me up for future scapegoating if/when it turns out Huin or Greenie is a lynched innocent.

All of which is to say... Wild Mass Guessing. Lottie's probably innocent, except for the fact that she accused me, and that raises my suspicions.

Excellent point - if Sally or Form end up being wolves, they are also unlikely packmates. Also, I wouldn't say that I'm accusing you. I would put you just to the inno-leaning side of neutral at this point, in terms of overall impression. I saw the appeal of voting "lurkers" initially, I just found I didn't like it in practice once I'd had time to think about it and see what it meant in reality.

[Huinesoron]

Looking at the last few posts, the Lottie-Pitch and Lottie-Form interaction feels pretty innocent, and while I don't like Form's vote the absentee' plan, it has the virtue of consistency.

Since I think my two suspects (Morsul and Greenie) have both checked out for the night, and since the people still posting all feel innocent, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and vote:

++A LITTLE GREEN

Reasons include their vote being based on Pitch suspecting someone who suspected him; a certain amount of 'buddying-up' behaviour; and their comment about maybe not being here tomorrow when they weren't really under much suspicion, which feels like a guilty conscience.

hS

[Thinlómien]

++Huinesoron

I don't think anything would make me kick myself more than if I caught a wolfy vibe from him TWICE and let him off the hook because "maybe it's just his playing style" TWICE and he was a wolf BOTH TIMES.


edit: xed with everyone

[Thinlómien]

Maybe it's just because I suspect them both, but Lottie's sudden defense of Huin rubs me the wrong way. Especially since she's talking about him being the same as in "previous games" like it was a point in his favour, while we have talked in length about Huin recently having been a wolf. That argument just doesn't add up.


edit: xed with both again

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Maybe it's just because I suspect them both, but Lottie's sudden defense of Huin rubs me the wrong way. Especially since she's talking about him being the same as in "previous games" like it was a point in his favour, while we have talked in length about Huin recently having been a wolf. That argument just doesn't add up.

My memory may be imperfect, but what I remember from playing with Huinwolf was feeling like we were on the same page, he's contributing great stuff, top of my innocent list, and then Legate caught something - a vibe or what, I don't remember - and we voted him out over a very short period of time. I am not getting that same vibe this game. Again, memory may be faulty - it's been a while - but toDay he feels more like the innocent Huin that I've played with before, who is always the first person stirring the pot and poking and prodding people. I'm not saying I trust him fully, just that I don't suspect him, and I think the people who are pushing that suspicion are pulling it a bit out of thin air. It's Day 1 - that's understandable - but you're acting like it's blatantly obvious that he's a wolf and it's bizarre that I'm not on board with that suspicion, when really, there's nothing more to this suspicion than there is to any other suspicion based on zero information. It's really easy to suspect Huin, and I don't know why you're so convinced of his wolfyness based on, from my perspective, not a ton to back it up.

[Blind Guardian]

Approximately 1 hour left. Here's the current vote tally, assuming I'm not x-posting with anyone.

Kath -> Morsul
Greenie -> Pitchwife
Morsul -> Huinesoron
Lommy -> Huinesoron
Legate -> Greenie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, seems like things are heating up, but I realise that I should vote soon (or rather, very soon) too, because I am certainly not staying up for DL, so...

I would personally prefer to vote for Greenie, even though it does not seem like much of a thing; but then again, majority of people have not voted yet.

A moment to think.

EDIT: whoa, x-ed with several

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I would personally prefer to vote for Greenie, even though it does not seem like much of a thing; but then again, majority of people have not voted yet.

I think I remember voting an innocent Morsul who felt a lot like this one out in my first game, so I would prefer Greenie at the moment, barring possible ties.

hS

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I think I remember voting an innocent Morsul who felt a lot like this one out in my first game, so I would prefer Greenie at the moment, barring possible ties.
hS

What I was saying above.


I thought earlier that Greenie might fit the job description for the X wolf steering clear of the Hui/Morsul business, but I don't really see anything screaming wolf in her (yet). I might go for Lottie or Kath.