TIG CXVII: DEAD Thread: By the Waters of Tarn Aeluin

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

But this is all messed up because I'm just enamored that she's arguing with a dead person (me) as if she doesn't argue with herself enough as it is.

That's the Lommy we all know and love.

Originally Posted by Huin

Besides, given that "here are two quotes, one contains 'morsel' and the other 'lomin'" has been interpreted as "Morsul is the Black Death", I'm pretty sure the Ghost trying to share a suspicion would be taken and twisted into a pretzel.

It's starting to resemble a very elaborate round of Paper Telephone.

I notice that Sally is trying to muddy the waters, but it's probably wisest to ignore her (as she'd be just as likely to bluff as to double-bluff and it's giving me a headache). I still think a Morswolf would make more sense than a Lomwolf, but since I'm generally clueless about Morsul and notoriously bad at reading Lommy (which is ironic, I know), I don't know to what extent I should be trusted with this. In fact, I'm quite happy to be going to sleep now and leaving it into your capable hands. I also agree with Boro that whoever wins will have thoroughly earned it.

Goodnight, and see you all on the other side

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Goodnight, and see you all on the other side

Er.

With Greenie gone and Lottie haunting, there are now six people in the Dead Thread.

First to three votes here gets our vote among the Living.

There are two dead wolves who know who to vote for, and will jump on the first wrong vote here.

We are not supposed to have to play Deadline Chicken after we die!

hS

[Blind Guardian]

I am loving this

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Er.

With Greenie gone and Lottie haunting, there are now six people in the Dead Thread.

First to three votes here gets our vote among the Living.

There are two dead wolves who know who to vote for, and will jump on the first wrong vote here.

We are not supposed to have to play Deadline Chicken after we die!

hS

What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

Obviously, it the Wolves post something in the waning minutes, we should probably jump on that, but otherwise?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

Obviously, it the Wolves post something in the waning minutes, we should probably jump on that, but otherwise?

Ugh, unmentioned excrement, I may have realised that, if we did this, and the Wolves voted for their fellow in the last moment and we all voted the anti-Wolf, the Dead would end up lynching an Ordo.

So while the Village could take it out of our hands, I suppose we do have to commit. Personally, I'm leaning Morsul by about three microns.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

If Soriman or Pitch would JUST VOTE ALREADY we could lock in their "first to tie" by voting with the first voter.

But that would be actively blindly supporting them, rather than just leaving them to it.

Originally Posted by Formendacil

So while the Village could take it out of our hands, I suppose we do have to commit. Personally, I'm leaning Morsul by about three microns.

That's two of you who've said that, I think... why Morsul? (Asking because I know I've been focusing overmuch on Lommy and don't have a good read on Morsul)

hS

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Form

What if we all just... don't?

I mean, unless it becomes clear in the next (*looks at clock*) two hours, we're clueless as to whether it's Morsul or Lommy--I go back and forth, myself. What if we just let the Living decide?

Obviously, it the Wolves post something in the waning minutes, we should probably jump on that, but otherwise?

I know I said I was going to bed, but I hadn't fully considered the terrifying prospect of Deadline Chicken. My math is terrible, but would it help if I took the plunge and voted for one of them at random? That way, if wolves pile on it, there would definitely be enough of us left to counter-pile on the other. Or does it just make it easier for the wolves to do their wolfy thing if I accidentally give them a one-vote head start? Also, it would mean that if you later decided that the wiser choice would have been to abstain, that choice is no longer available because I'll have happily voted and gone to bed already. My brain is all mushy at this hour so if someone has a clear idea of what we should do, I'd be grateful to hear it asap

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Form

Ugh, unmentioned excrement, I may have realised that, if we did this, and the Wolves voted for their fellow in the last moment and we all voted the anti-Wolf, the Dead would end up lynching an Ordo.

So while the Village could take it out of our hands, I suppose we do have to commit. Personally, I'm leaning Morsul by about three microns.

Oh wow. I hadn't even thought of that! You're probably right about us having to do something. I'm also leaning Morsul, but I'm by no means confident about it.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Oh wow. I hadn't even thought of that! You're probably right about us having to do something. I'm also leaning Morsul, but I'm by no means confident about it.

I thought of keeping it to myself in the hopes of Sally and/or Legate not thinking of it... but I decided it was best not to risk it.

To Hui's question...

It comes more down to gut and/or a sense of the two player's personalities than to a rigorous vote-scrutinizing process. Morsul feels like he's having more FUN and I feel like he's a player who, having FUN, would be more likely to be a chaos-creating Wolf than Lommy--my sense is that her tendency is toward more standard post-analysis, etc, but although that's been there, there has been a running theme of timezone lag and/or tiredness which to me feels more likely to be broadcast as an Ordo than as a more "dialed in" Wolf.

EDIT: Also, since I cross-posted with Morsul-activity on the Living Thread, I think Morsul, in explaining the "hypothetical" to Soriman feels a lot more analytical than his chaotic playing style would lead me to expect. Keeping such close track of Innocents/Ordos, while something anyone can do (for instead, I'd say it is very typical of a Hui, regardless of the role) is something that--for Morsul--strikes me as less in character if he were an Ordo.

Not that I can't be quite wrong.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Huin

That's two of you who've said that, I think... why Morsul? (Asking because I know I've been focusing overmuch on Lommy and don't have a good read on Morsul)

For me, it's mostly about what kind of bussing behaviour makes sense and what doesn't. I still think Lommy's Legate vote wouldn't have made sense if she was a wolf with him - off-handedly voting for a fellow who had been doing an excellent job flying under the radar so far. It would have been an unnecessarily risky thing to do on a Day when an innocent lynch would have meant an immediate wolf victory, and when there was a decent argument against innocent Pitch. This is especially true since Lommy hadn't exactly dug herself into any trenches she couldn't have backed out of - on the contrary, she was explicit about being clueless, which would have been a good cover for buying the argument against Pitch.

Meanwhile, if Morsul is the wolf, bussing Sally would have been more or less a necessity - he had suspected her already the Day before, and with the reveal of at least one wolf between himself, Sally and Pitch, not going after Sally would have looked incredibly fishy. I could see a Morswolf then attempting the same early-vote strategy the next Day to try and lynch Pitch, who had nicely incriminated himself by defending Sally. It just - makes more sense I guess? But there's a limit to the extent to which logic can be trusted in werewolf, so really, it's anyone's guess.

[Kath]

Hi all sorry for radio silence. I can be here for voting til the deadline (although future Kath won't thank me for it) to be part of Deadline Chicken.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I know I said I was going to bed, but I hadn't fully considered the terrifying prospect of Deadline Chicken. My math is terrible, but would it help if I took the plunge and voted for one of them at random? That way, if wolves pile on it, there would definitely be enough of us left to counter-pile on the other. Or does it just make it easier for the wolves to do their wolfy thing if I accidentally give them a one-vote head start? Also, it would mean that if you later decided that the wiser choice would have been to abstain, that choice is no longer available because I'll have happily voted and gone to bed already. My brain is all mushy at this hour so if someone has a clear idea of what we should do, I'd be grateful to hear it asap

Persuade the mods to let us lynch them both? :-/

I don’t think we can abstain - that just gives the wolves the voting power. So... I dunno, it entirely depends on who's going to be around. Kath may already be gone, which would make a wrong vote from you a sure kill for the wolves. Or maybe the wolves are asleep and we've nothing to worry about!

hS

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Morsul

Just gonna toss it out there, if we tie it goes to the Dead Thread where they have two wolves to deal with we only have one. I mean they have a decent chunk of Oreos

Can confirm, had Oreos tonight.

I don’t know whether trying to get the Living to decide the vote is a good or a bad sign... :-/

hS