TIG CXVII: GAME Thread:

[satansaloser2005]

VICTORY! CHEERS, MY SESTRA AND BROTHER SESTRA.

I'm so happy right now.

[Loslote]

What a game!!! Congratulations, wolves, that was a hard-fought battle. It really could have gone either way, but Lommy, you did an incredible job all game long. Well deserved win!

[Pitchwife]

WOW


Lommy, that was --- incredible. A well deserved win! *bows*


And I need to get up in 5 hours. See you all tomorrow!

[Soriman the Whide]

Very well played, sorry Pitch & Morsul.

[Thinlómien]

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO








YAY

INCREDIBLE


ASDFGHJKLKJHGFDSDFGHJKL

KJHGF







SORRY NO BRAIN





I LOVE YOU all just so you know

[Thinlómien]

You have no idea how happy I am right now

I was so so sure we would lose

like you have no idea

what kind of pits of demotivation I was in for the last two Nights

only to psych myself up to face the Days and finding things unfolding in a manner I could never ever have foreseen

amazing



also *sending kisses to Sally and Legate* WE DID IT

[Thinlómien]

Yes, thank you everyone xoxo and especially our moddesses, for the ride!

It was a great game. I think both sides did pretty epic things.

I'm off to bed too, but I'll certainly read the dead thread and participate in the post game discussion tomorrow.

Just for the record, I was like 90% telling the truth about everything toDay. I feel like the feelings of despair and hysteria can easily be shared between the wolves and the innocents.

And whoever said I was trying to save Sally while not looking like I'm doing it can pat themselves on the back, because you were right. Also Soriman for saying I voted Legate to look better on Day5. (More about that tomorrow. Day4 was crazy. I didn't want to bus Legate, but let's say I considered my options and decided that taking the chance that he would get lynched instead of Pitch was better than putting all our eggs in one basket. I think it was, dare I say, a coin toss whether it would work or not.)


PS. I think Pitch owes me an Oscar (per what he said on Day2) and I owe Morsul an apology. (Also I was very impressed by you in this game in general, including setting the scene for getting Sally lynched on Day3!) Very very sorry but after Pitch being revealed a known innocent, I had no other options.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Very very sorry but after Pitch being revealed a known innocent, I had no other options.

Right back at you. We both only had one option. If nothing else we made dead work for it

[Galadriel55]

Great game everyone! I have to say I enjoyed modding this game tremendously, even though it took up way more time than I meant to commit to this game. You were all amazing! I was keeping tabs on what I thought were some highlights of the game. I will post that at some point, maybe tomorrow. But for now, may I present, in recognition of your performance and achievements this game - THE WEREWOLF AWARDS!

Soriman: 95% Innocent
Boro: Ghostbuster
Formendacil: Saucepan's Lawmaker
Greenie: Fenris Ordo
Huinesoron: Lynched For All The Wrong Reasons
Morsul: The Phantom (with glitches)
Pitch: Honourary Cobbler
Kath: Serious Calf
Lottie: Not The Seer
Sally: Seer By Multiple Requests
Legate: Most Suspicious Squeaky Clean Player
Lommy: Deliberately Confused


And a very special thank you to my co-mod, who wrote most of the narrations and was instrumental in making the DL+6 infodrops happen. BeiGei, your narrations were wonderful and a pleasure to read. You were a great co-mod, and I really enjoyed our doing this together!

[Blind Guardian]

Great game guys! Good job with that win Lommy! Although I was rooting for the village... I swear! It's so hard writing your deaths when I love you all so much. I don't want to see you die!!

I loved the Deadline Chicken and enjoyed co modding with you G55! I'm sorry I wasn't really here the last few days. We've been having all kinds of trouble with the RV.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by The Last Stage

In short Bilbo was "Presumed Dead", and not everybody that said so was sorry to find the presumption wrong.

A Little Ghost

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Huinesoron: Lynched For All The Wrong Reasons

Story of my lives.

Looking back, I'm really impressed with all the wolves - Legate who I never suspected, Lommy who always managed to be so believable that I rejected whatever doubts I had - but most especially Sally. I know you were first to die, but before that happened, you:

• Night-killed someone who could only point directly at you, and yet somehow didn't get lynched the following day. There wasn't even that much discussion of how bad it made you look!
• Drew out the Seer for your fuzzy fellows to tear apart.
• Deprived us of almost any information from the votes! Not voting Day One meant there was no way to track your fellows, and on Day Three you managed to draw I think every single vote onto yourself, meaning the other wolves blended seamlessly into the crowd.

It was a spectacular showing. Bravo.

I also want to call out Boro for spot-on interpretations of the Ghost's meanderings - and for having a name which was really easy to direct replies to. Faced with the possibility of needing to clue Kath via the Cats of Queen Beruthiel, and Lommy with Dor-lomin, you were a breath of fresh air.

(I did have Salgant for Sally, which I was quite pleased with, but overall am glad I never needed to employ.)

~

Looking at the game itself... both mods did a wonderful job, and it was good fun having you haunting the DeadThread. There was some confusion over the voting rules; I think someone at one point described the dead as having 1.5 votes, which is probably the best way to put it in future! But once understood, the rules worked very well.

The infodrops were well-tuned; it was fun running through all the consequences of them. Out of interest, what were the possible infodrops that the Wolves rejected?

The Ghost was heaps of fun, but maybe too powerful. We came within a handspan of a final day with three Confirmed Innocents and the ability to easily convey them, which really shouldn't happen. A couple suggestions:

1/ The idea of allowing each quote to only be used once per game sounds like a good way of limiting the Ghost. It means that if you find a perfect line (such as the one with innocent in quote marks), you have to weigh up using it now versus saving it for a maybe Seer reveal later.

2/ Rather than limiting the Ghost to a given number of appearances - we basically sent it in every chance we got here! - how about 'may not be used on consecutive days'? That works for both long and short games, and gives a play-off of "we know a lot now, but what if the Seer gets killed...?'

hS

[Galadriel55]

As promised yesterday, I will post the anthology of some of my favourite moments of the game. I think the Day 5 DT in its entirety deserves to be here, but rather than copy everything over I will merely direct those interested to page 6 of the DT. And now, a few moments that I really enjoyed with the omniscience of a mod.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife @Day 1

So, could it be Lottie, Kath and X?

I mean, the vibe sensor is brilliant, it's just colourblind.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife @Day 2

To which I'd add "X doesn't suspect me, does that mean they're an innocent who has a good read on me or a wolf trying to buddy up to me? I don't really suspect them either, does that mean I should? If I don't suspect them, is it just because they don't suspect me? But I'm actually innocent, so if they don't suspect me that's OK, isn't it?"

Which is a perfect parody of Day Ones. Both posts make me chuckle.

Originally Posted by Formendacil @Day 2

I agree with your last post: while it looks good, surely it's too easy. I feel like there should be a Law about situations like this--Saucepan's Law or something: if it sees to have been uncovered too easily, it's either completely true or it's totally, horrifically wrong.

SaucepanWolf was before my time, but I wholeheartedly agree that this should be some Law of Too Easy To Be Possible.

Originally Posted by Lommy @Day 3

Not a fan of Morsul's plans, for reasons that I don't feel confident expressing in public.

Part of me wondered if the reason you could not express it in public was because the Downs would censor all of the batexcrement and bovine feces?

Originally Posted by Formendacil @Night 4

Guiding the Living is like herding cats, so that's a bonus not the meat of the matter.

^.^

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005 @Night 4

I think the serious calf.

Go read the DT for context. ^.^

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc @Day 4

You tried getting night killed? When?

Legwolf: Wait, we were supposed to kill you?

Originally Posted by Soriman the Whide

I'm being trolled by a ghost help!

This was amazing, and Lottie - I love you for putting an actual troll post in there!


Day 2 almost turned into a Gifted vs Wolf wagon race, before the village got distracted by the [then mostly absent] Hui.
Day 3 - when I read Morsul's first couple posts, calling for the village to do as he says or else, my thought was that we clearly have more than one Ghost haunting as he is clearly being possessed by The Phantom! In the meantime, Boro was absolutely on point with the Ghost interpretations, he and Form were on the same brainwave. I even thought this Ghost set up is just too easy. But then Legate and Lommy added on some alternative interpretations and questioned meaning, and Pitch brought some absolutely innocent confusion to the mix, and it was balanced again.
And Day 4 - Lommy I still do not get it but you pulled it off so you get all the bragging rights.


It was a pleasure to mod with you guys. This was a very fun game to mod - though I did spend quite a bit more time doing this than I expected, I may as well have played for the amount of studying that got done while this went on. *facepalm*

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

The Ghost was heaps of fun, but maybe too powerful. We came within a handspan of a final day with three Confirmed Innocents and the ability to easily convey them, which really shouldn't happen. A couple suggestions:

1/ The idea of allowing each quote to only be used once per game sounds like a good way of limiting the Ghost. It means that if you find a perfect line (such as the one with innocent in quote marks), you have to weigh up using it now versus saving it for a maybe Seer reveal later.

2/ Rather than limiting the Ghost to a given number of appearances - we basically sent it in every chance we got here! - how about 'may not be used on consecutive days'? That works for both long and short games, and gives a play-off of "we know a lot now, but what if the Seer gets killed...?'

Another possible limitation is if the Ghost could only quote from one text (per Day? per Game?). e.g. Form would only quote from ROTK, Hui would only quote from TH, Lottie would only do The Sil, etc. And I agree about an every-other-Day restriction, I think that can also curb the amount of information flowing backwards to the Living.

Someone asked about infodrops. The first two were fun to write, and BG and I had a plethora to choose from. The third one was more difficult, as generic statements about the game became increasingly narrow. I almost resorted to either/both logic statements to get around that (e.g. either both Kath and Lommy are ordos or Pitch and Boro are not both wolves, but not both). Thankfully there were sufficient normal phrases to avoid that. What ended up going to Sally was:

There was at least one wolf among those who voted for Hui on D2.
At least one wolf did not receive any votes yet.
Both remaining wolves voted for Hui at some point in the game.

I was surprised that she went for #3, which in my opinion gave the most definitive info. But I was not privy to the pack's plans and opinions, so maybe it made more sense from their perspective.

For the final infodrop, the DT knew everyone's alignment except for Morsul and Lommy. And because BG and I didn't think it fair to reveal the roles so openly, we gave the wolves a statement that could apply to either person and opened it up to their suggestions. Evidently no better thoughts have occurred, as that one statement was still the only one on the drawing board by posting time. I was not supposed to be awake at the DL+6 time, but I could not help it, every time I tried to sleep I would keep thinking that I miscounted the votes, or misphrased the sentence, and it would implicate one of the survivors, and I would have to get up and check to make sure it was still good.

For the future, I would probably make it an implied rule that infodrops will not contain new information that would instantly take the game out of everyone's hands. If it wasn't for the Ghost, it might have been possible to reveal LomWolf and leave it up to the voting to determine the balance. But with a Ghost who can just declare everyone's roles unchallenged, it seemed too unfair.

[Morsul the Dark]

I don’t care what the narration says a cowboy only goes out one way

[Morsul the Dark]

Well done Lommy Et al

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Well done Lommy Et al

If you ask me, you were quite a MVP in this one. I was convinced at multiple instances throughout the game that you were going to win the Innocents the game. It was this close.

[Kath]

Ahaha congrats Lommy! A very well deserved win. Should've trusted my gut back on Night 2 when I nearly dreamt you instead of sally but I seemed determined to only dream of innocents.

Right, I have to go to bed, and should have done long ago. But thank you everybody for such a fun game. Quote Bilbo and excellent and admirable hobbits and too short a time and all that.

G55 and BG thanks for modding. The Ghost role was fab and I have loved being part of the Dead Thread too.

Until next time!

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Of Túrin Turambar

Then at last Turin knew that doom had overtaken him, and that he had slain Brandir unjustly; so that the words of Glaurung were fulfilled in him. And he laughed as one fey, crying: 'This is a bitter jest indeed!' But he bade Mablung go, and return to Doriath, with curses upon it.

'And a curse too upon your errand!' he cried. This only was wanting. Now comes the night.'

Originally Posted by The Pyre of Denethor

But if doom denies this to me, then I will have naught: neither life diminished, nor love halved, nor honour abated.

Ghost

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

VICTORY! CHEERS, MY SESTRA AND BROTHER SESTRA.

I'm so happy right now.

Cheers, sestra! This was an absolute joy, and an absolutely unexpected and totally insanely epic finale.

All the quotes that occur to me are, sadly, from the wrong fandom.

"A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one."

"You have done that yourself."

(And the latter can actually be applied both to Lommy and to the Innocents.)

***

Seriously - I would not even know where to start - this was a great game on so many levels for so many different reasons. The Ghosts, like I said already a million times, were amazing. Form, Hui, Lottie - your quotes were great and it was a joy to read them even as a Wolf (and even when I was able to decipher only half of them as well as I would like and definitely half as much as they deserved).

My packmates: sally - you held on even under heavy fire AND went away with such a blast, that was amazing. I wanted to say "outing the Seer may have won us the game", but the thing is - this whole game was just a series of these situations that won us the game.

In any case, one thing I need to remark on - you are the first and only person I can claim to have been Wolves with twice in a row and won both times. So, we're officially epic eternal packmates, Sestra Wolfcake.

And Lommy - well your whole performance especially both the Day you voted me and even more now when you were on your own - that was exactly just what I said, a string of situations that won us the game.

I must say I did not believe that we would win, especially given the odds in the final Days (with the info-drops, plus the Dead having the power to decide a tied vote). But I did not believe my eyes when I saw toDay unfold. Lommy certainly managed to convince the Living AND Dead!

I probably have something to say to each of you, but I will try to do so once I have slept, and via reps, if that fits.

Last but not least, amazing narrations, both BG and G55, and thanks for great modding! This was also a great experiment with the Ghost role and now that we have seen it in practice, it can be used in the future and now we have an idea how to balance the environment to support it.

Will be back to respond or say more in the morning... just now... it is two hours past my bedtime.

So thanks all! It was a great game, and one to remember (said he whose memory has been proven to be rather imperfect this game! )