Password

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
GOLDILOCKS: Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
NINNYHAMMER: Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
ELANOR: One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
S His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

Nearly! Try another name for Sharkey.

[Urwen]

Saruman?

[Pervinca Took]

BUNGO: Underground? Overground? Womble, that's he.
DAUR: Medical chap swallows half a Vala for him.
GOLDILOCKS: Deity overlaps short palindrome girl to meet perturbed footwear? A bigger girl emerges.
MERRY: Mouse changes heads to reveal him?
NINNYHAMMER: Hard word. Starts with clear direction to a pub. But why, I say? To finish it off with a dwarvish tool.
ADALGRIM'S AUNT: Palindrome girl leads the way to a teacup omen - he's there, but the whole answer is one of his female relatives.
ELANOR: One solitary girl? It's revolutionary.
PRIMROSE: Not poetry, but it contains edge - and then she appears.
SARUMAN: His posterior leapfrogs and is disorientated, but meets a headless 80s singer.

ARSE. S leapfrogs over to before the S. Well, E does too, but since the arse is disorientated, it loses its E altogether. (Probably mid-jump). Then it meets [GARY N]UMAN. As the singer is headless, the N is lost.

And over to Urwen.

[Urwen]

Thank you, and here goes

1. Direction, that is. Harry's bestie runs back. She appears.
2. A girl and a boy form him.
3. A Teletubby followed by a strike, in confusion. It leads to her.
4. 'A hollow is irrelevant, shortly' says he
5. Endless pee? Put the first of tummy up front and assemble him.
6. Devoted to a certain Vala? That is he.
7. A novel sun god returns to her, mirrored
8. First three of a Vala meet circular one in German, all for her.
9. A Dwarvish weapon, a hard-shelled fruit and an Egyptian god mix up for him.

[Pervinca Took]

1. N-IE-NOR (Ron).

I like that one!

[Pervinca Took]

3. Lalaith.

La-la + hit.

[Pervinca Took]

8. YAV-IEN (ein).

[Pervinca Took]

7. Arwen.

(new ra).

[Pervinca Took]

2. Ella-dan?

[Huinesoron]

#5: T+URIN?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think it's Nel------- .

Probably an elvish word meaning the three houses (of men) - or maybe the third house.

[Pervinca Took]

9. I can't find the whole of AXE in any male name, but there is AXANTOR, who seems to fit with the other answers.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I think it's Nel------- .

Probably an elvish word meaning the three houses (of men) - or maybe the third house.

I think we might have 3 sets of 3 siblings - Turin and his sisters - Yavien, Axantur and their brother - the El Twins and Arwen. So that's probably the 'three' element?

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

9. I can't find the whole of AXE in any male name, but there is AXANTOR, whose seems to fit with the other answers.

I think 'ax' is a variant spelling in some parts of the world.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I think we might have 3 sets of 3 siblings - Turin and his sisters - Yavien, Axantur and their brother - the El Twins and Arwen. So that's probably the 'three' element?



I think 'ax' is a variant spelling in some parts of the world.

hS

Ah yes, I may have seen AX before.

Where's the fruit, though? There isn't even a U to make NUT, (which is also an Egyptian God-is that in the same clue?)

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Direction, that is. Harry's bestie runs back. She appears.
ELLADAN: A girl and a boy form him.
LALAITH: A Teletubby followed by a strike, in confusion. It leads to her.
4. A hollow is irrelevant, shortly' says he
TURIN: Endless pee? Put the first of tummy up front and assemble him.
6. Devoted to a certain Vala? That is he.
NEWRA: A novel sun god returns to her, mirrored
YAVIEN: First three of a Vala meet circular one in German, all for her.
AXANTUR: A Dwarvish weapon, a hard-shelled fruit and an Egyptian god mix up for him.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

Ah yes, I may have seen AX before.

Where's the fruit, though? There isn't even a U to make NUT, (which is also an Egyptian God-is that in the same clue?)

"AxantUr".

Okay, two left, and they should be Elrohir and Oromendil. So:

#6: OROMENDIL literally means 'devoted to Orome'.

So #4 ELROHIR? It's an anagram of 'HOLE IRR(elevant)'.

With the password being... Neletonya? Probably Telerin-influenced Quenya for 'my three children', though I'm sure other translations are possible.

hS

[Urwen]

NIENOR: Direction, that is. Harry's bestie runs back. She appears.
ELLADAN: A girl and a boy form him.
LALAITH: A Teletubby followed by a strike, in confusion. It leads to her.
ELROHIR: A hollow is irrelevant, shortly' says he
TURIN: Endless pee? Put the first of tummy up front and assemble him.
OROMENDIL: Devoted to a certain Vala? That is he.
NEWRA: A novel sun god returns to her, mirrored
YAVIEN: First three of a Vala meet circular one in German, all for her.
AXANTUR: A Dwarvish weapon, a hard-shelled fruit and an Egyptian god mix up for him.

And over to you.

[Huinesoron]

Thanks! So was it 'My three children', or was there a different meaning?

In this one the [numbers] indicate which letter you need. And two of the answers are in Elvish.

1. - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
4. - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
7. - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Thanks! So was it 'My three children'

Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

7. WATER

'O! Water Hot is a noble thing!'

Oh! And WAT (TYLER) plus ER.

Giving is a T, I do believe.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

7. WATER

'O! Water Hot is a noble thing!'

Oh! And WAT (TYLER) plus ER.

Giving is a T, I do believe.

Correct! I used to live near a Wat Tyler Country Park, so the name is permanently stuck in my head.

1. - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
4. - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

hS

[Pervinca Took]

4. Is 4 something like BEDROCK, or just bed? I suppose Fred's wife is Wilma?

With the theme being something about songs and poems - elements or subjects within them, perhaps? 'Water hot' is one, and 'And then to bed!' is in another song.

Maybe it's hobbit songs?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

4. Is 4 something like BEDROCK, or just bed? I suppose Fred's wife is Wilma?

With the theme being something about songs and poems - elements or subjects within them, perhaps? 'Water hot' is one, and 'And then to bed!' is in another song.

Maybe it's hobbit songs?

That's some really good theorising, but falls foul of the fact that the answer isn't bed.

It's WILMA.

1. - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

(It's an older Quenya word for the 'lower airs', as a subset of vista, the airs as a whole.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I suppose even elves need a word for when mortals have farted.

[Urwen]

Password: Elements?

[Pervinca Took]

You know what - I thought 'elements,' but went looking for an elvish word with two W's in it.

(Facepalm).

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Password: Elements?

...

1. E - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
2. L - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
3. E - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
5. E - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. N - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
8. S - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

So, er... good luck with the rest of the clues?

hS

[Urwen]

I've checked the list of elements (Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Ice, Electricity, Light and Darkness) but none of them have required letters in the required positions...

Am I missing something here?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

I've checked the list of elements (Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Ice, Electricity, Light and Darkness) but none of them have required letters in the required positions...

Am I missing something here?

At least two things, I should say.

Not related to the question, but where did you pull that list from? It's clearly modern, but other than 'not Pokemon' I can't really narrow it down.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

At least two things, I should say.

Not related to the question, but where did you pull that list from? It's clearly modern, but other than 'not Pokemon' I can't really narrow it down.

hS

From here

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I suppose even elves need a word for when mortals have farted.

You're incurable.


2. GOLD: "Kick it in" = GOAL, "lose the first in third" = the A in third place, "but gain the fourth" = the fourth letter in the fourth place, "and Bilbo brings it home" = well, he does.

Urwen, that was some brilliant passwording. And Hui, that is some creative password-setting!


EDIT: I have a funny feeling 8 is SILVER, for the thirty silver pieces Barliman "donated" to the cause... But can't explain it.

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

You're incurable.


2. GOLD: "Kick it in" = GOAL, "lose the first in third" = the A in third place, "but gain the fourth" = the fourth letter in the fourth place, "and Bilbo brings it home" = well, he does.

Urwen, that was some brilliant passwording. And Hui, that is some creative password-setting!


EDIT: I have a funny feeling 8 is SILVER, for the thirty silver pieces Barliman "donated" to the cause... But can't explain it.

I wonder if the song could be Penny Lane ... except the word PENNY occurs more than 3 times in the song. Or reference to The Thru'penny Opera? I can't remember 3 pennies in the song Frodo sings in The Prancing Pony.

Oh! I've got it. SIL is 3 letters from a SILL, which is below a window, and VER is 3 letters from VERSE.

EDIT:

3. COPPER. Slang for policeman, and a copper can be a tub/receptacle.

1. EARTH? Ear, eat ... thorn made the 'th' sound?

5. FIRE, brought by Gandalf?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

5. FIRE, brought by Gandalf?

Oh, because fifteen birds in five FIR trees!

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Oh, because fifteen birds in five FIR trees!

Nice one.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

From here

o.O Okay, so the classical elements are earth-air-fire-water. A slightly later set was sulfur-mercury-salt. Chinese lists often include metal and wood, alongside some or all of the classical set. And modern fiction includes everything under the sun (Angband includes Fire, Lightning, Time, and Nexus, among many others.) And then there's chemistry, which has 118.

This password isn't a closed set, but all of them appear in the Legendarium.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

2. GOLD: "Kick it in" = GOAL, "lose the first in third" = the A in third place, "but gain the fourth" = the fourth letter in the fourth place, "and Bilbo brings it home" = well, he does.

Correct!

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

EDIT: I have a funny feeling 8 is SILVER, for the thirty silver pieces Barliman "donated" to the cause... But can't explain it.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

I wonder if the song could be Penny Lane ... except the word PENNY occurs more than 3 times in the song. Or reference to The Thru'penny Opera? I can't remember 3 pennies in the song Frodo sings in The Prancing Pony.

Oh! I've got it. SIL is 3 letters from a SILL, which is below a window, and VER is 3 letters from VERSE.

SILVER is correct, as Sil-Ver, with 30 pennies being the reference. ("Thrice ten" just to avoid saying "thirty".)

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

3. COPPER. Slang for policeman, and a copper can be a tub/receptacle.

Correct; the water for the baths is poured from it.

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

1. EARTH? Ear, eat ... thorn made the 'th' sound?

Ear + th (thorn); 'old man eats' is Bombadil's words to Old Man Willow.

(And this was one of the things you missed, Urwen - you listed Earth, which does have a letter in the right place!)

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

5. FIRE, brought by Gandalf?

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Oh, because fifteen birds in five FIR trees!

Bingo. (Not Bungo; that was two passwords ago!)

EARTH - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
GOLD - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
COPPER - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
FIRE - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
6. N - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
SILVER - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

And, strewth, only one to go? Um... okay, #6 is not an English word, and part of the clue explains that.

hS

[Urwen]

I assume the forbidden tongue is either Quenya or Black speech.

[Urwen]

Anga?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Anga?

... is correct! Ang[er] + a vowel, for the first half of 'Angamando' (Q. for Angband, "Iron Jail").

EARTH - An old man eats, hears an old thorn. [1]
GOLD - Kick it in, lose the first in third but gain the fourth, and Bilbo brings it home. [3]
COPPER - A policeman to fill the tubs. [5]
WILMA - Of old a lower vista for Fred's wife, mother of rock. [4]
FIRE - What the wizard brings to five plus a vowel. [4]
ANGA - In forbidden tongue the type of gaol is more than half cross, note. [2]
WATER - Noble when hot? Tyler sounds uncertain. [3]
SILVER - Thrice ten is a lot, but only three each below the window and in the song. [1]

A mix of chemical and classical elements from the books. I... am... not sure, in hindsight, why I didn't just use IRON for that last one, except that it would have made WILMA stand out even more.

Over to URWEN, and well done all.

hS

[Urwen]

New one.

1. Something that knights say, England and a conjuction, all for her.
2. Air, right now. In disarray, she is there.
3. He is full of enthusiasm (Rearranged)
4. Returning direction and a male name lead to her.
5. Spanish article and pronoun form an Elven king.
6. In a mirror, things that go on and on reveal him.
7. God ran in circles. He appears.
8. Transition (movie-wise) an evil robot and a particle come together for him.
9. An ancient nomad tribe, sans direction, and a Norse God. For someone done in by a rock.
10. Confused ladies find a way, for her.
11. Maeglin loses a head, for him.
12. A preposition between a long and short direction. It's all in disarray, and backwards. For him.
13. Note a throne in disarray, for him.
14. An entrance, an article and a direction. All in the muddle. For a king.
15. Boaz's wife returns endlessly. Add a preposition for a tragic hero.
16. An element precedes muddled destruction, for him.

Finding different ways to portray the same answer is fun.

[Galadriel55]

1. NIENNA - NI + EN(gland) + and (short)?