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zionius · 08-27-2022, 03:51 AM

Mr. Hicklin, I have compared the pictures in JRRT: The Art of the Manuscript, and suggest the following errata entries for your consideration:

p50 their camp on the bank. > their camp on bank. Sauron will not permit > Sauron will not yet permit
p75 Missing the new moon sign Ͻ in "21 W." cell. The 3 ditto marks should be right double quotation marks, intead of left ones.
p82 As you suggested, Tolkien added an emtpy entry "Ͻ 17"[July] above "18" to remind himself of moon phase. I believe he didn't changed "18" to "17". Tolkien did the same thing on the next page, where he didn't cross out the rejected "Ͻ 17"[August], but moved it to a new place to fit the modified timeline. So p82 should have two emtpy entries "Ͻ 17"[July] "Ͻ 17"[August], and "17 21" should have "17" crossed out.
p82 It seems "19 Legolas visits the Caves of Aglarond." is modified from "18" after Tolkien changed Aug. 14 to Aug. 18.
p84 while Gandalf and Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council. > while Gandalf [Inserted: Elrond] Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council.
N. and W. > [deleted: N. and W.]
p86 They reach Bree on evening of 28. > They reach Bree on evening of 28. (95 miles)
Missing full moon sign before Oct 30.
Nov 2 and 3 are revised from 1 and 2, respectively.

Bêthberry · 10-20-2022, 07:29 PM

Sneak peak of cover can be found here:

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolk..._19_Supplement

William Cloud Hicklin · 10-20-2022, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Sneak peak of cover can be found here:

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolk..._19_Supplement

Thanks- but it isn't just a sneak peek, copies are now shipping.

Bêthberry · 10-21-2022, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Thanks- but it isn't just a sneak peek, copies are now shipping.

Michael Drout posted a photo on FB yesterday, but I no longer have the photobucket account to let me post it here so I used the TG link. Drout didn't say they were shipping, just that the regular vol 19 was about to go to the printer. It's a very nice cover!

William Cloud Hicklin · 10-21-2022, 12:28 PM

It's one of Tolkien's cooler diagrams (even if he later rejected the whole idea)

William Cloud Hicklin · 06-17-2023, 09:43 AM

ERRATA
Chronology of the Lord of the Rings, TS 19 Supp.

p. 40, January: there should be a closing square bracket after “they go by winding ways.”
p. 50, Feb 20, Company: “their camp on the bank.” > “their camp on bank.”
p. 50, Feb. 23, Orcs & Enemies: “Sauron will not permit” > “Sauron will not yet permit”
p. 52, Feb. 25, Company: “1:30” > “1.30”
p. 56, Feb. 28, Orcs and Enemies: “4:30” > 4.30;” “10:30 > 10.30;” “11:25” > “11.25.” Feb. 29: “11:20” > “11.20” (twice).
p. 57, n.69: “can run [?for] 6 mph for about 50 miles." > “can trot [?for] 6 mph for about 50 miles."
p. 60, Mar. 2, Orcs and Enemies: “(about 1 p.m)” > “(about 1 p.m.)”
p. 64, March 6, Men & Allies: Missing the full stop at the end of "They camp 20 miles or so on way".
p.64, March 7, Men & Allies: "by hidden paths in the mountains" > "by hidden path in lower mountains”
p. 66, March 10, Aragorn-Theoden: "camps 30 miles on way" > "camps 30 miles east on way".
p. 69, Note 98: Delete all from “However” to the end (redundant given p. 139)
p. 71: Note 103 is redundant vis-à-vis Note 98; delete.
p. 74, March 16, date column: The "F. 16" cell should include "LQ"
p. 75, March 21, date column: The "21.W" cell should include "Ͻ".
p. 75, March 21-23, Frodo and Sam: The curly quotes should be replaced with straight ditto marks (")
p. 82, July: “10 18 17 > “10 18.” Insert line between 7 15 and 10 18: “[Inserted:] Ͻ 17”.
p. 82, August: Insert line between 10 14 and 14 18: “[Inserted:] Ͻ 17”
p. 82, August: "17 21" > “17 21”
p. 83: Delete Note 130 (it’s nonsense, acc to the corrections above)
p. 84, Sep 6: “while Gandalf and Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council.” > “while Gandalf [Inserted: Elrond] Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council.”
p. 84, Sep 13: “Elrond Gandalf and the Hobbits are to go N. and W. towards Rivendell” > “[Inserted: Elrond] Gandalf and the Hobbits [Inserted: are to] go N. and W. towards Rivendell”
p. 85, Note 132: Delete last sentence.
p. 86, Oct 28: “They reach Bree on evening of 28.” > They reach Bree on evening of 28. (95 miles)”
p. 86, Oct 30: The “30” should be preceded by “”
p. 117, n. 180: “30 minutes” > “37 minutes”
p. 134: “chronological overhaul” should be followed by an exclamation point, not a full stop.
p. 136, Table 11, Mar. 9, Frodo and Sam/Before: “Dawnless Day” should be in bold, not italics. Remainder of box should be in plain text. Mar. 10: “Climbing in Ephel Duath” should be in plain text.
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gondowe · 06-22-2023, 02:50 PM

Thank you for the errata. Have you a page where you update this? Or you are going to share here? Congrats for your work.

Greetings

08-27-2022, 03:51 AM	#1
zionius Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 18	Mr. Hicklin, I have compared the pictures in JRRT: The Art of the Manuscript, and suggest the following errata entries for your consideration: p50 their camp on the bank. > their camp on bank. Sauron will not permit > Sauron will not yet permit p75 Missing the new moon sign Ͻ in "21 W." cell. The 3 ditto marks should be right double quotation marks, intead of left ones. p82 As you suggested, Tolkien added an emtpy entry "Ͻ 17"[July] above "18" to remind himself of moon phase. I believe he didn't changed "18" to "17". Tolkien did the same thing on the next page, where he didn't cross out the rejected "Ͻ 17"[August], but moved it to a new place to fit the modified timeline. So p82 should have two emtpy entries "Ͻ 17"[July] "Ͻ 17"[August], and "17 21" should have "17" crossed out. p82 It seems "19 Legolas visits the Caves of Aglarond." is modified from "18" after Tolkien changed Aug. 14 to Aug. 18. p84 while Gandalf and Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council. > while Gandalf [Inserted: Elrond] Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council. N. and W. > [deleted: N. and W.] p86 They reach Bree on evening of 28. > They reach Bree on evening of 28. (95 miles) Missing full moon sign before Oct 30. Nov 2 and 3 are revised from 1 and 2, respectively. Last edited by zionius; 08-27-2022 at 03:54 AM.

10-20-2022, 07:29 PM	#2
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	Sneak peak of cover can be found here: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolk..._19_Supplement __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

10-21-2022, 12:28 PM	#5
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	It's one of Tolkien's cooler diagrams (even if he later rejected the whole idea) __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

06-17-2023, 09:43 AM	#6
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Errata list ERRATA Chronology of the Lord of the Rings, TS 19 Supp. p. 40, January: there should be a closing square bracket after “they go by winding ways.” p. 50, Feb 20, Company: “their camp on the bank.” > “their camp on bank.” p. 50, Feb. 23, Orcs & Enemies: “Sauron will not permit” > “Sauron will not yet permit” p. 52, Feb. 25, Company: “1:30” > “1.30” p. 56, Feb. 28, Orcs and Enemies: “4:30” > 4.30;” “10:30 > 10.30;” “11:25” > “11.25.” Feb. 29: “11:20” > “11.20” (twice). p. 57, n.69: “can run [?for] 6 mph for about 50 miles." > “can trot [?for] 6 mph for about 50 miles." p. 60, Mar. 2, Orcs and Enemies: “(about 1 p.m)” > “(about 1 p.m.)” p. 64, March 6, Men & Allies: Missing the full stop at the end of "They camp 20 miles or so on way". p.64, March 7, Men & Allies: "by hidden paths in the mountains" > "by hidden path in lower mountains” p. 66, March 10, Aragorn-Theoden: "camps 30 miles on way" > "camps 30 miles east on way". p. 69, Note 98: Delete all from “However” to the end (redundant given p. 139) p. 71: Note 103 is redundant vis-à-vis Note 98; delete. p. 74, March 16, date column: The "F. 16" cell should include "LQ" p. 75, March 21, date column: The "21.W" cell should include "Ͻ". p. 75, March 21-23, Frodo and Sam: The curly quotes should be replaced with straight ditto marks (") p. 82, July: “10 18 17 > “10 18.” Insert line between 7 15 and 10 18: “[Inserted:] Ͻ 17”. p. 82, August: Insert line between 10 14 and 14 18: “[Inserted:] Ͻ 17” p. 82, August: "17 21" > “17 21” p. 83: Delete Note 130 (it’s nonsense, acc to the corrections above) p. 84, Sep 6: “while Gandalf and Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council.” > “while Gandalf [Inserted: Elrond] Celeborn and Galadriel hold converse and council.” p. 84, Sep 13: “Elrond Gandalf and the Hobbits are to go N. and W. towards Rivendell” > “[Inserted: Elrond] Gandalf and the Hobbits [Inserted: are to] go N. and W. towards Rivendell” p. 85, Note 132: Delete last sentence. p. 86, Oct 28: “They reach Bree on evening of 28.” > They reach Bree on evening of 28. (95 miles)” p. 86, Oct 30: The “30” should be preceded by “” p. 117, n. 180: “30 minutes” > “37 minutes” p. 134: “chronological overhaul” should be followed by an exclamation point, not a full stop. p. 136, Table 11, Mar. 9, Frodo and Sam/Before: “Dawnless Day” should be in bold, not italics. Remainder of box should be in plain text. Mar. 10: “Climbing in Ephel Duath” should be in plain text. _________________________________ Note: unfortunately the BD forum software doesn't support strikethroughs or alternate fonts __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it. Last edited by William Cloud Hicklin; 06-17-2023 at 10:05 AM.

06-22-2023, 02:50 PM	#7
gondowe Wight Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 248	Thank you for the errata. Have you a page where you update this? Or you are going to share here? Congrats for your work. Greetings