**Spoiler Warning** Rings of Power S1E1 - "A Shadow of the Past" - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boromir88 · 09-02-2022, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

As I said before it's still just surmising that she was any swordswoman. She could have stood her ground fiercely in defence of her mother's kin with songs (like Luthien), spells (like the Istari), or even exhortations behind a shield wall.

I don’t understand this zeitgeist in which everyone wants sword-swinging, 120lb women who duke it out with 180-200lb men. It’s both culturally obligatory and a very tired trope.

And that's fair. I just wanted to point out I don't think it's wrong to interpret those quotes as she took up arms and fought in defense of her mother's kin either. Take that in combination with Elrond, who is not mentioned as having a weapon or performing the action of fighting against anyone, but no one seems to mind Jackson's portrayal of Elrond armored up with a sword.

William Cloud Hicklin · 09-02-2022, 08:51 PM

Tar Elenion · 09-03-2022, 04:22 AM

Re Galadriel, I disagree. The several variants (some of which include Finrod and/or Celeborn/Teleporno) of Galadriel fighting at Alqualonde are too indicative of physical combat. It is also quite in keeping with Laws and Customs of the Eldar where Tolkien notes elf-women abstain from war but will fight in desperate defence. Whether she used a sword or not eh... I mean she could have gotten a bow from the Teleri or grabbed an oar or boat hook, or whatever

Also Elrond, while Tolkien does not outright state he defeated anyone in physical combat, Tolkien does have him in the War of Wrath, and leading an army in the War of Elves and Sauron.

I did notice that one of *Galadriel's warriors, portrayed by some guy named Kip Chapman, is named Rian (Queen).

Michael Murry · 09-03-2022, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tar Elenion

Re Galadriel, ... I did notice that one of *Galadriel's warriors, portrayed by some guy named Kip Chapman, is named Rian (Queen).

The Drag Queen with the Guy Tattoo, a.k.a., Smug.

Andsigil · 09-03-2022, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tar Elenion

Re Galadriel, I disagree. The several variants (some of which include Finrod and/or Celeborn/Teleporno) of Galadriel fighting at Alqualonde are too indicative of physical combat. It is also quite in keeping with Laws and Customs of the Eldar where Tolkien notes elf-women abstain from war but will fight in desperate defence. Whether she used a sword or not eh... I mean she could have gotten a bow from the Teleri or grabbed an oar or boat hook, or whatever

But, in this billion-dollar turkey of a series, is she remotely Tolkien portrayed her, re: martial accomplishments and abilities?

We have her at one battle, where, possibly, she picked up a sword. In this risible series, however, she’s nothing but yet another carbon copy of Daisy Ridley’s character in “Star Wars,” itself a carbon copy of other carbon-copies of a silly trope.

Tar Elenion · 09-03-2022, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

But, in this billion-dollar turkey of a series, is she remotely Tolkien portrayed her, re: martial accomplishments and abilities?

No.

Blind Guardian · 09-03-2022, 10:09 AM

I just finished episode 2 and I just want to say that everyone's accents turn on a dime. Are they British? Scottish? Irish? They can't seem to make up their minds. The female dwarves don't have beards. That's sad. And Galadriel is still obsessing over Sauron. At least my dog has 2 things she obsesses over: food and tennis balls. Galadriel has literally nothing besides Sauron. Isn't she supposed to be married at this point? Where is Celeborn in all of this?

*possible potential spoilers; discussing who characters might be*

Was that the Arkenstone? It can't be a Silmaril unless they're really botching continuity.

I read where it is believed that the Stranger is Gandalf and Halbrand is Sauron. I don't know about the Halbrand = Sauron one, yet, but the Stranger being Gandalf seemed believable. This could be his backstory as to why he loves the halflings so much. The Darkness he created in the first episode with the trees was similar to the Darkness created in the Hobbit house to Bilbo ("I'm not trying to rob you; I'm trying to help you"). Plus there are similarities between the moth at Isengard and the fireflies.

William Cloud Hicklin · 09-03-2022, 01:40 PM

I had earlier opined that the writing would be "third-rate fanfic." I was wrong.

It is at best fourth-rate fanfic.

Tar Elenion · 09-03-2022, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

The female dwarves don't have beards. That's sad.

Even after the producer in answer to one of Colbert's softballs, said yes. And then went on about how she was personally there while the facial hair was being applied.

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Isn't she supposed to be married at this point? Where is Celeborn in all of this?

Yes. She is at the latest married to Celeborn at the start of the Second Age.
Rumour has it that *Celeborn is believed dead and this will be alluded to in episode seven.

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Was that the Arkenstone? It can't be a Silmaril unless they're really botching continuity.

In the box? Probably *mithril. Though Eregion was founded because mithril had been discovered. But the show already has *Eregion.

09-02-2022, 08:51 PM	#2
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	__________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

09-03-2022, 04:22 AM	#3
Tar Elenion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 369	Re Galadriel, I disagree. The several variants (some of which include Finrod and/or Celeborn/Teleporno) of Galadriel fighting at Alqualonde are too indicative of physical combat. It is also quite in keeping with Laws and Customs of the Eldar where Tolkien notes elf-women abstain from war but will fight in desperate defence. Whether she used a sword or not eh... I mean she could have gotten a bow from the Teleri or grabbed an oar or boat hook, or whatever Also Elrond, while Tolkien does not outright state he defeated anyone in physical combat, Tolkien does have him in the War of Wrath, and leading an army in the War of Elves and Sauron. I did notice that one of Galadriel's warriors, portrayed by some guy named Kip Chapman, is named Rian (Queen). __________________ Tar-Elenion Last edited by Tar Elenion; 09-03-2022 at 04:27 AM.*

09-03-2022, 01:40 PM	#8
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	I had earlier opined that the writing would be "third-rate fanfic." I was wrong. It is at best fourth-rate fanfic. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.