What separates Numenor from the Middle-Earth men - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Mithadan*** · 10-27-2022, 01:00 PM

Since Victariongreyjoy has said that the intent was to open this thread in the Movies forum, I have moved the thread back and apologize for any confusion.

Whether in RoP or in JRRT's books, a significant difference between Numenorians and the Men of Middle Earth is that Numenor was established with the approval and gratitude of the Valar and its culture, society and "technology" were, at least initially, fostered and encouraged by the Elves. The Men of Middle Earth were left on their own to find their own way and suffered, in some cases, from initial corruption by Morgoth and later by Sauron.

William Cloud Hicklin · 10-27-2022, 03:01 PM

"Virulent racism" may be going a bit far. While it is true that the late Numenorean Empire got pretty Roman towards the men of Middle-earth, Faramir's tripartite distinction was at least as justifiable as that of the Elves, in this universe, since the Numenoreans' superiority in mind and body (if not morals) was a Valar-given reality, not a fiction. They really were taller, smarter and longer-lived than other men. Of course, that also meant that when they went bad, they had the capacity to go VERY bad.

Victariongreyjoy · 10-27-2022, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithadan

Since Victariongreyjoy has said that the intent was to open this thread in the Movies forum, I have moved the thread back and apologize for any confusion.

Whether in RoP or in JRRT's books, a significant difference between Numenorians and the Men of Middle Earth is that Numenor was established with the approval and gratitude of the Valar and its culture, society and "technology" were, at least initially, fostered and encouraged by the Elves. The Men of Middle Earth were left on their own to find their own way and suffered, in some cases, from initial corruption by Morgoth and later by Sauron.

They haven't mentioned about their lifespan, but the showrunners said during SDCC that Numenoreans live longer than a ordinary man. Also the show gave us a nod that the royal line of kings have long-lifespan.

10-27-2022, 01:00 PM	#1
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,397	Since Victariongreyjoy has said that the intent was to open this thread in the Movies forum, I have moved the thread back and apologize for any confusion. Whether in RoP or in JRRT's books, a significant difference between Numenorians and the Men of Middle Earth is that Numenor was established with the approval and gratitude of the Valar and its culture, society and "technology" were, at least initially, fostered and encouraged by the Elves. The Men of Middle Earth were left on their own to find their own way and suffered, in some cases, from initial corruption by Morgoth and later by Sauron. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

10-27-2022, 03:01 PM	#2
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	"Virulent racism" may be going a bit far. While it is true that the late Numenorean Empire got pretty Roman towards the men of Middle-earth, Faramir's tripartite distinction was at least as justifiable as that of the Elves, in this universe, since the Numenoreans' superiority in mind and body (if not morals) was a Valar-given reality, not a fiction. They really were taller, smarter and longer-lived than other men. Of course, that also meant that when they went bad, they had the capacity to go VERY bad. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.