Annoying lines - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Alassë Estel · 07-05-2023, 10:59 AM

The line that irritates me the most occurs after The Battle of Pelenor Fields, when The King of The Dead, and the army of The Dead, have assembled to be freed from their living death and for their oaths to be held fulfilled.

The King of The Dead says: "Release us!"

Then Gimli says: "Bad idea! Very handy in a tight spot, these lads...despite the fact they're dead."

Which leaves us to assume that Gimli was suggesting that Aragorn should have gone back on his word and do precisely what got all those ghosts in that mess in the first place. Book-Gimli certainly would never have suggested such a thing.

***Mithadan*** · 09-20-2023, 08:22 PM

Alasse, you picked a good (or bad) one. Gimli got stuck with a lot of bad lines. “Toss me” leaps to mind. Then there’s his burp in Edoras. I’m sure there are more. It seems that Jackson generally used Dwarves as comic relief. The Hobbit movies were even worse.

Alassë Estel · 09-21-2023, 07:51 AM

Yes, I quite agree.

While I give the Hobbit movies more credit than many, I find it rather appalling just how discourteous and oafish the Dwarves were portrayed to be.

I think, Tolkien's Dwarves are "less refined" in a way perhaps, as compared to other peoples, but not merely comedic relief.

At any rate, Jackson's Dwarves are certainly not what I picture when reading Thorin's final words, or of Gimli's great awe for Galadriel.

William Cloud Hicklin · 09-21-2023, 10:08 AM

The script blunders within the first 60 seconds: "Nine rings were gifted <gag!> to the race of Men, who above all else desire power." Malarkey! Purest rubbish! Cliche replacing Tolkien's own rather subtle thought!

Tolkien said, on many occasions and in many ways, that what Men desire above all else is immortality. He described the basic theme of LR as "Death, and the quest for Deathlessness." The Nine Rings and the Nazgul themselves are tied up in that! (Not to mention Numenor, and the Dead of Dunharrow, and and and....)

07-05-2023, 10:59 AM	#1
Alassë Estel Wight Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: Treading the Narrow Way Posts: 198	The line that irritates me the most occurs after The Battle of Pelenor Fields, when The King of The Dead, and the army of The Dead, have assembled to be freed from their living death and for their oaths to be held fulfilled. The King of The Dead says: "Release us!" Then Gimli says: "Bad idea! Very handy in a tight spot, these lads...despite the fact they're dead." Which leaves us to assume that Gimli was suggesting that Aragorn should have gone back on his word and do precisely what got all those ghosts in that mess in the first place. Book-Gimli certainly would never have suggested such a thing. __________________ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

09-20-2023, 08:22 PM	#2
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,397	Alasse, you picked a good (or bad) one. Gimli got stuck with a lot of bad lines. “Toss me” leaps to mind. Then there’s his burp in Edoras. I’m sure there are more. It seems that Jackson generally used Dwarves as comic relief. The Hobbit movies were even worse. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

09-21-2023, 07:51 AM	#3
Alassë Estel Wight Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: Treading the Narrow Way Posts: 198	Yes, I quite agree. While I give the Hobbit movies more credit than many, I find it rather appalling just how discourteous and oafish the Dwarves were portrayed to be. I think, Tolkien's Dwarves are "less refined" in a way perhaps, as compared to other peoples, but not merely comedic relief. At any rate, Jackson's Dwarves are certainly not what I picture when reading Thorin's final words, or of Gimli's great awe for Galadriel. __________________ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

09-21-2023, 10:08 AM	#4
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	The script blunders within the first 60 seconds: "Nine rings were gifted <gag!> to the race of Men, who above all else desire power." Malarkey! Purest rubbish! Cliche replacing Tolkien's own rather subtle thought! Tolkien said, on many occasions and in many ways, that what Men desire above all else is immortality. He described the basic theme of LR as "Death, and the quest for Deathlessness." The Nine Rings and the Nazgul themselves are tied up in that! (Not to mention Numenor, and the Dead of Dunharrow, and and and....) __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.