Miscellaneous stuff in the Appendices

[Arvegil145]

Originally Posted by Findegil

The description of Tol Eressëa: I agree that much of what you mention is useable for our work. But I doubt that the Appandecies are the right place for it. I would rather consider to extant the sub-chapter Of the Passing of the Elves in chapter 35 Of the Great Battle and the War of Wrath.

About the Bombadil prose fragment: As much as I like to include any snipet of information we have, I at the moment don't see how we could include this. I am not an expert in legendary Britain history, but I think, King Bonhedig was taken by Tolkien from that. So the information that snipet gives us is only that Bombadil was still around (and as to be expected unchanged) after what once was the Shire of the Hobbits had become a part of the England of legendary King Bonhedig.
Beside that Bombadil is at it stands right now not even mentioned in our work. Including the prose fragment would call for some revision to include him in other places for sure. This is of course not an argument by itself against the inclusion of the proase fragemnt, but it shows that Bombadil was not thought to be in important ingredent to our work.

Respectfully
Findegil

1) I disagree about including the information about Eressea in the chapter 35 - that chapter has a sense of closure which shouldn't be cluttered with random stuff about Eressea: though it might have a 'See also - Appendix: The Description and Peoples of Tol Eressea' as a note.

2) About the 'Bombadil fragment': perhaps we should also include The Adventures of Tom Bombadil somewhere? And if not, maybe we should add this fragment as a cheeky epilogue to our project


P.S. Also, I think I found the PE material on Eressea, which I'll post soon.

[Findegil]

Okay, I agree to your argument. I would than propose a more profound change to include these information into the narrative: At the beginning of Volume II we have an introduction sentence: ‘These were the dark years for Men of Middle-earth, but the years of the glory of Númenor. Of events in Middle-earth the records are few and brief, and their dates are often uncertain.’ Followed by the first chapter-title The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves. I would than shift that chapter title to come directly before SP-SL-04 ‘Others of the Eldar there were who crossed the mountains of Ered Luin in that age …‘. Thus we produce a longer intro that has even an untiteled sub-chapter break (‘* * *’). In it we have as the last passage: ‘Upon the shores of the Gulf of Lhûn the Elves built their havens, and named them Mithlond; and there they held many ships, for the harbourage was good. From the Grey Havens the Eldar ever and anon set sail, fleeing from the darkness of the days of Earth; for by the mercy of the Valar the Firstborn could still follow the Straight Road and return, if they would, to their kindred in Eressëa and Valinor beyond the encircling seas.’ Here we could with some inventive editing put in the description of Tol Eressëa, I think.
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Findegil

[Arvegil145]

Originally Posted by Findegil

Okay, I agree to your argument. I would than propose a more profound change to include these information into the narrative: At the beginning of Volume II we have an introduction sentence: ‘These were the dark years for Men of Middle-earth, but the years of the glory of Númenor. Of events in Middle-earth the records are few and brief, and their dates are often uncertain.’ Followed by the first chapter-title The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves. I would than shift that chapter title to come directly before SP-SL-04 ‘Others of the Eldar there were who crossed the mountains of Ered Luin in that age …‘. Thus we produce a longer intro that has even an untiteled sub-chapter break (‘* * *’). In it we have as the last passage: ‘Upon the shores of the Gulf of Lhûn the Elves built their havens, and named them Mithlond; and there they held many ships, for the harbourage was good. From the Grey Havens the Eldar ever and anon set sail, fleeing from the darkness of the days of Earth; for by the mercy of the Valar the Firstborn could still follow the Straight Road and return, if they would, to their kindred in Eressëa and Valinor beyond the encircling seas.’ Here we could with some inventive editing put in the description of Tol Eressëa, I think.
Respectfully
Findegil

Given the amount of stuff relating to Tol Eressea from the various stages of the legendarium - I'm still in favor of keeping most of it in an appendix (especially with the information from PE that I'll give tomorrow - too tired right now).

BTW - do you think that we can still keep Ingil/Ingwion/Ingwil's arrival to Eressea after the War of Wrath, and his foundation of the town of Cortirion, including his role as the leader in rebuilding the Elvish 'civilization' (so to speak) on the island, as well as his eventual return to Valinor?

[Findegil]

I am reluctant of an Appendix, because what we colleted in these so fare are rather comments and additional (unusable) source taexts. But if what you propose to include proves to be so, then an Appendix would be the right place.

Ingil: Yes, I think that we can keep him in that role, so maybe we have to careful not to gainsay the triumphant return of the Vanyar.

But the working assumption could be: Seen that many Elves of Beleriand would like to stay on Eressëa he returned to help them establish their society. (He was free to do so since his father Ingwë still rulled the Vanyar - and all other Elves - in Valinor.)

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Findegil

[Arvegil145]

I apologize for the late reply, something came up in the meantime.

Regardless, on the subject of the PE stuff I regret to inform that 95%+ of it won't work, on a closer read.