A "Complete Silmarillion" in Spanish - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

gondowe · 09-06-2023, 10:17 AM

I want only to update the estructure of my proposed Thain's Book. That was enlarged considerably after the NoME and CtH and The Cronology of TLotR. I know is not according with this project but for f is of some interest. I don't want to extend my comment on the narrative because is so difficult but the "new" Appendices contains all the (in my oppinion) worthy text useful.

Volume 0 Introduction to the Texts of the Histories of Arda (Prologues, notes and guides of names)

Note preliminary to this edition (from me)
Preface of the author to his First Edition of TFotLotR
Preface of the author (Tolkien) to his Second Edition of The Fall of the Lord of the Rings
Prologue of the Editor (me) to the Three volumes of TFtE
Note of the author on pronunciation
Note of the author on Writing and spelling
Note of the author on the Shire Records
Note of the editor (me) based on texts of the translator (Tolkien) on the origin and source of the texts of the TftE
Note of the author on translation to modern language
Nomenclature of TLotR
General Guide of Names

Volume 1

The Fall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King
(the text of There and Back Again updated with the three rewritten chapters in the 60’s, together with the text of TLotR, the pure story including the Epilogue and some few material lost in the preliminary revision published by Hammond & Scull)

Volume 2

Translations from the Elvish
Silmarillion

Ainulindale. The Music of the Ainur
Valaquenta. Account of the Valar and Maiar according to the lore of the Eldar
. Of the Valar
. Of the Maiar
. Of the Enemies

Eldanyare ecar Quenta Silmarillion History of the Eldar or History of the Silmarils

. 1 Of the Beginning of Time
. 2 Of Valinor and the Two Trees
-Of Aulë and the Dwarves
-Of the Onodrim and Eagles
. 3 Of the Coming of the Elves and the captivity of Melkor
-Of the awakening of the Elves (Cuiviényarna)
-Of the Chaining of Melkor
. 4 Of Thingol and Melian
. 5 Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie
. 6 Of Finwë and Míriel
. 7 Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor
. 8 Of the Silmarilli and the Unrest of the Noldor
. 9 Of the Darkening of Valinor
. 10 Of the Rape of the Silmarils
. 11 Of the Thieves’ Quarrel
-Of the Orkor
. 12 Of the Flight of the Noldor
-Of the speech of Fëanor upon Tuna
-Of the First Kin-slaying and the Doom of the Noldor
. 13 Of Dwarves
. 14 Of the Sindar
-Of the building of Menegroth
-Of the coming of Denethor
-Of the First battle of the Wars of Beleriand
. 15 Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
-Of the Moon and the Sun
-Of the Lighting of Endor
-Of the Hiding of Valinor
. 16 Of Men
. 17 Of the return of the Noldor
-Of the Second battle: Dagor-nuin-Gilliath
. 18 Of the Siege of Angband
-Of Fingon and Maedhros
-Of the Founding of Nargothrond and Gondolin
-Of the Third battle: Dagor Aglareb
-Of Turgon and the Building of Gondolin
. 19 Of Beleriand and its Realms
-Of the dwellings and the economy of the Eldar
. 20 Of Maeglin. Sister-son of Turgon, King of Gondolin
. 21 Of the Coming of the Edain & their Hauses and Lordships in Beleriand
-Of the Coming of Men into the West and the Metting of the Edain and the Eldar
-Of the Kindreds and Houses of the Edain
. 22 Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
-Of the Fourth battle: Dagor Bragollach
-Of the Death of Fingolfin
-Of the Sige of Eithel Sirion and the Fall of Galdor
-Of the Swarthy Men
. 23 Of Beren and Tinúviel
-Of the meeting of Beren and Lúthien
-Of the Quest of the Silmaril
-Of the Wolf-hunt of Carcharoth
-Of the song of Lúthien in Mandos
. 24 Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad
-Of the Union of Maedhros
-Of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad
. 25 Of Túrin Turambar or Túrin the Hapleless
. 26 Of the Fate of Húrin and Morwen
. 27 Of the Sigil Elu-naeth and the Ruin of Doriath
-Of the Second Kin-slaying
. 28 Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin
. 29 Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the raising of the Star
-Of the Third Kin-slaying
. 30 Of the Great Battle and the War of Wrath
-Of the Last End of the Oath of Fëanor and his Sons
-Of the Passing of the Elves
-The Second Prophecy of Mandos

Appendix

A I Of the Powers of the Valar
II Of the Knowledge of the Valar
B I Of Laws and Customs among the Eldar and other matters related
-Of Youth and Growth of the Elves
-Of the Elvish Life-cycles
-Of naming
-Of death and the severance of fëa and hröa
-Of Reincarnation and other dooms of those that go to Mandos
-Of the severance of marriage
II The Converse of Manwë and Eru
C I -Of Death of Animals and Plants
-Of Death of Incarnate Bodies
II Of Aman
-Aman and Mortal Men
III Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth
-Of Death and the Children of Eru, and the Marring of Men.
D Of Tongues. Herein are several extracts and comments mostly from The Lammas or Account of Tongues
-Lambion Ontale. The Descent of Tongues
-The division of Tongues
-Of the speech of Dwarves
-Of the Atani and their tongues
-Essecenta Eldarinwa. Enquiry into the origins of Elvish names. (extracts)
-Meanings and use of the various terms applied to the Elves.
-The Clan-names
-The names of the descendants of Finwë
-Elvish names for Men
-Elvish names for the Dwarves
-Elvish names for the Orcs
-Kwen, Quenya and the Elvish(specially Noldorin) words for "Language"
-Note on Gender in Elvish Languages
-Note on Eldarin, Words, Fingers and Numerals
-Note on the "Language of the Valar"
-Dangweth pengolodh
-Ósanwe-centa. Enquiry into the Communication of Thought. (résumé of Pengolodh's discussion)
-Note on Mind-Pictures

E Ambarcanta The shaping of the World
F Yénonótie. The Tale of Years.

Genealogies

Maps

Volume 3

Translations from the Elvish
Atanatarion

ATANATARION egor NERN IN EDENEDAIR Tales of the Fathers of Men

Narn Beren ion Barahir egor Narn e·Dinúviel or The lay of Leithian
1 Of Thingol in Doriath, Of Lúthien the Beloved, Of Daeron Minstrel of Thingol, of the meeting of Thingol and Melian
2 Of Morgoth, Of the Saving of King Finrod Felagund by the XII Beorings, Of Tarn Aeluin the Blesses, Of Gorlim Unhappy
3 Of the revenge of Beren & his Escape
4 Of the Coming of Beren to Doriath and his meeting with Lúthien
5 Of Beren before Thingol
6 Of Beren in Nargothrond
7 Of Beren and Finrod before Sauron
8 Of Luthien's captivity in Doriath
9 Of Huan y Lúthien in Nargothrond
10 Of the death of Finrod and the defeat of Sauron
11 Of the attack by Celegorm and Curufin
12 Of the disguising of Beren and Lúthien and the journey to Angband
13 Of the meeting with Carcharoth
14 Of Beren and Luthien in Angband and the rape of the Silmaril
15 Of the Escape from Angband
16 Of the Wolf-hunt
17 Of the Song of Lúthien in Mandos
-The choices of Lúthien

Narn e·mbar Hador
-Prologue
. Narn e·’Rach Morgoth
Narn i Chîn Húrin
1 The Childhood of Túrin
2 The Battle of Unnumbered Tears
3 The Words of Húrin and Morgoth
4 The Departure of Túrin
5 Túrin in Doriath
6 Túrin among the Outlaws
7 Of Mîm the Dwarf
8 The Land of Bow and Helm
9 The Death of Beleg
10 Faelivrin
11 Túrin in Nargothrond
12 The Fall of Nargothrond
13 The Return of Túrin to Dor-Lómin
14 The coming of Túrin into Brethil
15 The Journey of Morwen and Nienor to Nargothrond
16 Niënor in Brethil
17 The Coming of Glaurung
18 The Death of Glaurung
19 The Death of Túrin
The Wanderings of Húrin
-The release of Húrin, Húrin in Dor-lómin
-The Shadow falls on Brethil
-Húrin in Nargothrond
-Húrin in Doriath

Narn en-Êl egor Narn e·Dant Gondolin ar orthad en-Êl

1 The birth and fostering of Tuor
2 The call of Ulmo
3 Tuor in Vinyamar
4 Voronwë
5 The quest of Gondolin
6 The hidden pass
7 The arriving at Gondolin
8 Tuor in Gondolin and the birth of the New Star
9 The Treason of Maeglin
10 The Fall of Gondolin
11 The Flight of the exiles
12 The song of Tuor in Nan-tathen
13 The Departure of Tuor and Idril and the voyages of Eärendil
14 The attack of the sons of Fëanor and the Third Kin-slaying
15 The Great Voyage of Eärendil and the raising of the Star

Genealogies

Map

Volume 4

Translations from the Elvish
The Second and Third Ages

First Part
The Second Age

I
Númenor

Atalante or Akallabeth. The Fall of Númenor
Epilogue

Appendix
I Of Lifes of the Númenóreans
II Of Land ans Beasts of Númenor
III Indis i-Kiryamo: The Mariner´s Wife
IV The line of Elros

II
Middle Earth

Of the Realms of the Elves in the Second Age
Of the Return of the Shadow
Of Galadriel and Celeborn
Of the Rings of Power
Of Men in Middle Earth and their first meeting with the Númenóreans
-Tal-elmar
Of Dwarves and their relations with Men
Of the Realms of the Exiles of Númenor
Of the last alliance of Elves and Men

Appendix
The Tale of Years of the Second Age

Second Part
The Third Age

Of the disaster of the Gladden Fields
Of the Kingdoms of the Exiles in the Third Age
-Of the North Kingdom and the Dúnedain
-Of the Chieftains of the Dúnedain
-Of the Kingdom of Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion
-Of the Stewards
-The Oath of Cirion and Eorl
Of Durin's Folk
Of Eldar in the Third Age
Of the Istari
Of the Fall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King
Of Aragorn and Arwen Undomiel
Appendix
1 The Heirs of Elendil
2 The Kings of the March
3 The Tale of Years of the Third Age
4 Of languages and peoples in the Third Age.

Third Part
General Notes

I Of the Sources of the legend of Isildur's Death
II Of the Númenórean Linear Measures
III Of the boundaries of Lothlórien
IV Of Amroth and Nimrodel
V Of the Historical origins of the names of the rivers Glanduin and Gwathló
VI Of the Halifirien and the Tradition of Isildur
VII Of the classification of Men by the Dúnedain
VIII Of the origins of the Istari
IX Of the Elessar
X Of the Drúedain and the Periannath
-The faithful stone
-Of the differences between the Drúedain and the Periannath
XI Of the Palantiri
XII Of the Battles of the Fords of Isen

Epilogue The New Shadow

Maps

Volume 5

On Hobbits

Of the Quest of Erebor
Of the Hunt for the Ring
-Of the Journey of the Black Riders according to the account that Gandalf gave to Frodo
-Concerning Gandalf, Saruman and the Shire
-Of Customs of the Hobbits (from Letter 214)
Shire Calendar
The Tale of Years (on hobbits)
-The Great Years
-The chief days from the Fall of Bard-dûr to the end of the Third Age
-Later Events concerning the members of the Fellowship of the Ring
Family Trees
Other verses and poems from the original Red Book (TAoTB and Bilbo's last poem)

Greetings

Arvegil145 · 09-06-2023, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gondowe

The Fall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King
(the text of There and Back Again updated with the three rewritten chapters in the 60’s, together with the text of TLotR, the pure story including the Epilogue and some few material lost in the preliminary revision published by Hammond & Scull).

I was wondering what exactly do you have in mind by 'some few material lost in the preliminary revision'?

Otherwise, your outline is pretty good.

gondowe · 09-06-2023, 03:01 PM

A description of the Edoras exterior, in the Lord of the Rings A REaders Companion p.400. " ... C. Tolkien felt thatit was only his guess that the passage was lost rather than deliberately omitted, and although a good guess it is a guess nonetheless"

Greetings

Findegil · 09-07-2023, 05:20 AM

That a good find! I think we have take that up into our text as well.

Respectfully
Findegil

09-06-2023, 03:01 PM	#3
gondowe Wight Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 248	A description of the Edoras exterior, in the Lord of the Rings A REaders Companion p.400. " ... C. Tolkien felt thatit was only his guess that the passage was lost rather than deliberately omitted, and although a good guess it is a guess nonetheless" Greetings Last edited by gondowe; 09-06-2023 at 03:05 PM.

09-06-2023, 10:17 AM	#1
gondowe Wight Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 248	I want only to update the estructure of my proposed Thain's Book. That was enlarged considerably after the NoME and CtH and The Cronology of TLotR. I know is not according with this project but for f is of some interest. I don't want to extend my comment on the narrative because is so difficult but the "new" Appendices contains all the (in my oppinion) worthy text useful. Volume 0 Introduction to the Texts of the Histories of Arda (Prologues, notes and guides of names) Note preliminary to this edition (from me) Preface of the author to his First Edition of TFotLotR Preface of the author (Tolkien) to his Second Edition of The Fall of the Lord of the Rings Prologue of the Editor (me) to the Three volumes of TFtE Note of the author on pronunciation Note of the author on Writing and spelling Note of the author on the Shire Records Note of the editor (me) based on texts of the translator (Tolkien) on the origin and source of the texts of the TftE Note of the author on translation to modern language Nomenclature of TLotR General Guide of Names Volume 1 The Fall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King (the text of There and Back Again updated with the three rewritten chapters in the 60’s, together with the text of TLotR, the pure story including the Epilogue and some few material lost in the preliminary revision published by Hammond & Scull) Volume 2 Translations from the Elvish Silmarillion Ainulindale. The Music of the Ainur Valaquenta. Account of the Valar and Maiar according to the lore of the Eldar . Of the Valar . Of the Maiar . Of the Enemies Eldanyare ecar Quenta Silmarillion History of the Eldar or History of the Silmarils . 1 Of the Beginning of Time . 2 Of Valinor and the Two Trees -Of Aulë and the Dwarves -Of the Onodrim and Eagles . 3 Of the Coming of the Elves and the captivity of Melkor -Of the awakening of the Elves (Cuiviényarna) -Of the Chaining of Melkor . 4 Of Thingol and Melian . 5 Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie . 6 Of Finwë and Míriel . 7 Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor . 8 Of the Silmarilli and the Unrest of the Noldor . 9 Of the Darkening of Valinor . 10 Of the Rape of the Silmarils . 11 Of the Thieves’ Quarrel -Of the Orkor . 12 Of the Flight of the Noldor -Of the speech of Fëanor upon Tuna -Of the First Kin-slaying and the Doom of the Noldor . 13 Of Dwarves . 14 Of the Sindar -Of the building of Menegroth -Of the coming of Denethor -Of the First battle of the Wars of Beleriand . 15 Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor -Of the Moon and the Sun -Of the Lighting of Endor -Of the Hiding of Valinor . 16 Of Men . 17 Of the return of the Noldor -Of the Second battle: Dagor-nuin-Gilliath . 18 Of the Siege of Angband -Of Fingon and Maedhros -Of the Founding of Nargothrond and Gondolin -Of the Third battle: Dagor Aglareb -Of Turgon and the Building of Gondolin . 19 Of Beleriand and its Realms -Of the dwellings and the economy of the Eldar . 20 Of Maeglin. Sister-son of Turgon, King of Gondolin . 21 Of the Coming of the Edain & their Hauses and Lordships in Beleriand -Of the Coming of Men into the West and the Metting of the Edain and the Eldar -Of the Kindreds and Houses of the Edain . 22 Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin -Of the Fourth battle: Dagor Bragollach -Of the Death of Fingolfin -Of the Sige of Eithel Sirion and the Fall of Galdor -Of the Swarthy Men . 23 Of Beren and Tinúviel -Of the meeting of Beren and Lúthien -Of the Quest of the Silmaril -Of the Wolf-hunt of Carcharoth -Of the song of Lúthien in Mandos . 24 Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad -Of the Union of Maedhros -Of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad . 25 Of Túrin Turambar or Túrin the Hapleless . 26 Of the Fate of Húrin and Morwen . 27 Of the Sigil Elu-naeth and the Ruin of Doriath -Of the Second Kin-slaying . 28 Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin . 29 Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the raising of the Star -Of the Third Kin-slaying . 30 Of the Great Battle and the War of Wrath -Of the Last End of the Oath of Fëanor and his Sons -Of the Passing of the Elves -The Second Prophecy of Mandos Appendix A I Of the Powers of the Valar II Of the Knowledge of the Valar B I Of Laws and Customs among the Eldar and other matters related -Of Youth and Growth of the Elves -Of the Elvish Life-cycles -Of naming -Of death and the severance of fëa and hröa -Of Reincarnation and other dooms of those that go to Mandos -Of the severance of marriage II The Converse of Manwë and Eru C I -Of Death of Animals and Plants -Of Death of Incarnate Bodies II Of Aman -Aman and Mortal Men III Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth -Of Death and the Children of Eru, and the Marring of Men. D Of Tongues. Herein are several extracts and comments mostly from The Lammas or Account of Tongues -Lambion Ontale. The Descent of Tongues -The division of Tongues -Of the speech of Dwarves -Of the Atani and their tongues -Essecenta Eldarinwa. Enquiry into the origins of Elvish names. (extracts) -Meanings and use of the various terms applied to the Elves. -The Clan-names -The names of the descendants of Finwë -Elvish names for Men -Elvish names for the Dwarves -Elvish names for the Orcs -Kwen, Quenya and the Elvish(specially Noldorin) words for "Language" -Note on Gender in Elvish Languages -Note on Eldarin, Words, Fingers and Numerals -Note on the "Language of the Valar" -Dangweth pengolodh -Ósanwe-centa. Enquiry into the Communication of Thought. (résumé of Pengolodh's discussion) -Note on Mind-Pictures E Ambarcanta The shaping of the World F Yénonótie. The Tale of Years. Genealogies Maps Volume 3 Translations from the Elvish Atanatarion ATANATARION egor NERN IN EDENEDAIR Tales of the Fathers of Men Narn Beren ion Barahir egor Narn e·Dinúviel or The lay of Leithian 1 Of Thingol in Doriath, Of Lúthien the Beloved, Of Daeron Minstrel of Thingol, of the meeting of Thingol and Melian 2 Of Morgoth, Of the Saving of King Finrod Felagund by the XII Beorings, Of Tarn Aeluin the Blesses, Of Gorlim Unhappy 3 Of the revenge of Beren & his Escape 4 Of the Coming of Beren to Doriath and his meeting with Lúthien 5 Of Beren before Thingol 6 Of Beren in Nargothrond 7 Of Beren and Finrod before Sauron 8 Of Luthien's captivity in Doriath 9 Of Huan y Lúthien in Nargothrond 10 Of the death of Finrod and the defeat of Sauron 11 Of the attack by Celegorm and Curufin 12 Of the disguising of Beren and Lúthien and the journey to Angband 13 Of the meeting with Carcharoth 14 Of Beren and Luthien in Angband and the rape of the Silmaril 15 Of the Escape from Angband 16 Of the Wolf-hunt 17 Of the Song of Lúthien in Mandos -The choices of Lúthien Narn e·mbar Hador -Prologue . Narn e·’Rach Morgoth Narn i Chîn Húrin 1 The Childhood of Túrin 2 The Battle of Unnumbered Tears 3 The Words of Húrin and Morgoth 4 The Departure of Túrin 5 Túrin in Doriath 6 Túrin among the Outlaws 7 Of Mîm the Dwarf 8 The Land of Bow and Helm 9 The Death of Beleg 10 Faelivrin 11 Túrin in Nargothrond 12 The Fall of Nargothrond 13 The Return of Túrin to Dor-Lómin 14 The coming of Túrin into Brethil 15 The Journey of Morwen and Nienor to Nargothrond 16 Niënor in Brethil 17 The Coming of Glaurung 18 The Death of Glaurung 19 The Death of Túrin The Wanderings of Húrin -The release of Húrin, Húrin in Dor-lómin -The Shadow falls on Brethil -Húrin in Nargothrond -Húrin in Doriath Narn en-Êl egor Narn e·Dant Gondolin ar orthad en-Êl 1 The birth and fostering of Tuor 2 The call of Ulmo 3 Tuor in Vinyamar 4 Voronwë 5 The quest of Gondolin 6 The hidden pass 7 The arriving at Gondolin 8 Tuor in Gondolin and the birth of the New Star 9 The Treason of Maeglin 10 The Fall of Gondolin 11 The Flight of the exiles 12 The song of Tuor in Nan-tathen 13 The Departure of Tuor and Idril and the voyages of Eärendil 14 The attack of the sons of Fëanor and the Third Kin-slaying 15 The Great Voyage of Eärendil and the raising of the Star Genealogies Map Volume 4 Translations from the Elvish The Second and Third Ages First Part The Second Age I Númenor Atalante or Akallabeth. The Fall of Númenor Epilogue Appendix I Of Lifes of the Númenóreans II Of Land ans Beasts of Númenor III Indis i-Kiryamo: The Mariner´s Wife IV The line of Elros II Middle Earth Of the Realms of the Elves in the Second Age Of the Return of the Shadow Of Galadriel and Celeborn Of the Rings of Power Of Men in Middle Earth and their first meeting with the Númenóreans -Tal-elmar Of Dwarves and their relations with Men Of the Realms of the Exiles of Númenor Of the last alliance of Elves and Men Appendix The Tale of Years of the Second Age Second Part The Third Age Of the disaster of the Gladden Fields Of the Kingdoms of the Exiles in the Third Age -Of the North Kingdom and the Dúnedain -Of the Chieftains of the Dúnedain -Of the Kingdom of Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion -Of the Stewards -The Oath of Cirion and Eorl Of Durin's Folk Of Eldar in the Third Age Of the Istari Of the Fall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King Of Aragorn and Arwen Undomiel Appendix 1 The Heirs of Elendil 2 The Kings of the March 3 The Tale of Years of the Third Age 4 Of languages and peoples in the Third Age. Third Part General Notes I Of the Sources of the legend of Isildur's Death II Of the Númenórean Linear Measures III Of the boundaries of Lothlórien IV Of Amroth and Nimrodel V Of the Historical origins of the names of the rivers Glanduin and Gwathló VI Of the Halifirien and the Tradition of Isildur VII Of the classification of Men by the Dúnedain VIII Of the origins of the Istari IX Of the Elessar X Of the Drúedain and the Periannath -The faithful stone -Of the differences between the Drúedain and the Periannath XI Of the Palantiri XII Of the Battles of the Fords of Isen Epilogue The New Shadow Maps Volume 5 On Hobbits Of the Quest of Erebor Of the Hunt for the Ring -Of the Journey of the Black Riders according to the account that Gandalf gave to Frodo -Concerning Gandalf, Saruman and the Shire -Of Customs of the Hobbits (from Letter 214) Shire Calendar The Tale of Years (on hobbits) -The Great Years -The chief days from the Fall of Bard-dûr to the end of the Third Age -Later Events concerning the members of the Fellowship of the Ring Family Trees Other verses and poems from the original Red Book (TAoTB and Bilbo's last poem) Greetings

09-07-2023, 05:20 AM	#4
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	That a good find! I think we have take that up into our text as well. Respectfully Findegil