Eol the Nando

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Aha!

It's from the Lhammas and QS '37 (HME V:175, 263):

"The Green-elves, who were called in their own tongue Danas, the followers of Dan... this folk was in the beginning of Noldorin race, but is not counted among the Eldar, nor yet among the Lembi. For they followed Orome at first, but...."

"There [in Ossiriand] dwelt the Danian Elves, who in the beginning were of Gnomish race, but forsook the march from Kuivienen, and came never to Valinor."

[Tar Elenion]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Aha!

It's from the Lhammas and QS '37 (HME V:175, 263):

"The Green-elves, who were called in their own tongue Danas, the followers of Dan... this folk was in the beginning of Noldorin race, but is not counted among the Eldar, nor yet among the Lembi. For they followed Orome at first, but...."

"There [in Ossiriand] dwelt the Danian Elves, who in the beginning were of Gnomish race, but forsook the march from Kuivienen, and came never to Valinor."

It shows up again in a late (1968) essay:

"The Eldar of Ossiriand, the Green Elves, though wood-dwellers, were of quite different origin, which does not here concern us; they were probably in origin of Noldorin kinship."
NoMe, Silvan Elves and Silvan Elvish

[William Cloud Hicklin]

It still doesn't help us that much with Eöl, though, since the Green-elves turned their backs on technology (also, the special affinity of the Noldor with smithcraft really stemmed from Valinor and exposure to Aule)

[Arvegil145]

Originally Posted by Tar Elenion

It shows up again in a late (1968) essay:

"The Eldar of Ossiriand, the Green Elves, though wood-dwellers, were of quite different origin, which does not here concern us; they were probably in origin of Noldorin kinship."
NoMe, Silvan Elves and Silvan Elvish

THAT'S IT!!

That's the quote I was looking for...but - that's not the "final" quote I was looking for.

What I've really been trying to ascertain up to this point is this: can a 'Nando' become a 'Sinda'?

Or rather - can any 'immigrant to Beleriand' become a Sinda?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Apparently so. Saeros/Orgof had been a Green-elf before the fall of Amon Ereb, but had removed to Doriath and become a member of Thingol's council.

[Tar Elenion]

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

THAT'S IT!!

That's the quote I was looking for...but - that's not the "final" quote I was looking for.

What I've really been trying to ascertain up to this point is this: can a 'Nando' become a 'Sinda'?

Or rather - can any 'immigrant to Beleriand' become a Sinda?

Try Quendi & Eldar in WotJ:
"But when the Nandor were recognized as kinsfolk of Lindarin origin and speech (as was still recognizable), they were received into the class of Celbin."

"Any individual Avar who joined with or was admitted among the Sindar (it rarely happened) became a Calben;"

"Sindar
Less commonly the form Sindel, pl. Sindeldi, is also met in Exilic Quenya. This was the name given by the Exiled Noldor (see Note 11) to the second largest of the divisions of the Eldar. (Note 16, p. 412) It was applied to all the Elves of Telerin origin that the Noldor found in Beleriand, though it later excluded the Nandor, except those who were the direct subjects of Elwe, or had become merged with his people."