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Hunter Two One · 09-06-2001, 01:20 AM

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Re: Ad: Balrogs, yet again.

as the balrog's nature has already been mentioned, i don't think it would hurt to mention a bit more and it doesn't spoil the story ,uch) ...

in the fellowship of the ring, a hint of the balrog's and gandalf's lineage would be discerned. Gandalf says as a challenge to the balrog whom he called "Flame of Udun" (in reference to the underworld, being a servant of Morgoth - the first dark lord who was greater than Sauron),

"... I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor ..."

the Secret Fire as mentioned in the Silmarillion, was the "imperishable flame" sent by Iluvatar (or Eru, The One) to burn at the "heart of the world". "Flame of Anor" may be in reference to the elven ring Narya (Fire) being that Anor is the Sindarin for "Sun". by saying that he (Gandalf) was a servant of the secret fire, he was informing the balrog that even if they were both Maiar, he was more powerful because (1) he was a "handpicked" servant of Eru and (2) his powers were enhanced (by the flame of anor).

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09-06-2001, 01:20 AM	#8
Hunter Two One Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 13	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 9</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Ad: Balrogs, yet again. as the balrog's nature has already been mentioned, i don't think it would hurt to mention a bit more and it doesn't spoil the story ,uch) ... in the fellowship of the ring, a hint of the balrog's and gandalf's lineage would be discerned. Gandalf says as a challenge to the balrog whom he called "Flame of Udun" (in reference to the underworld, being a servant of Morgoth - the first dark lord who was greater than Sauron), "... I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor ..." the Secret Fire as mentioned in the Silmarillion, was the "imperishable flame" sent by Iluvatar (or Eru, The One) to burn at the "heart of the world". "Flame of Anor" may be in reference to the elven ring Narya (Fire) being that Anor is the Sindarin for "Sun". by saying that he (Gandalf) was a servant of the secret fire, he was informing the balrog that even if they were both Maiar, he was more powerful because (1) he was a "handpicked" servant of Eru and (2) his powers were enhanced (by the flame of anor). </p>