BBC reports Hobbits and Elves in Russia - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**lindil** · 10-16-2002, 03:16 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2333487.stm

Raefindel · 10-16-2002, 03:21 PM

That's a kick, Lindil! Thanks for posting it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**lindil** · 10-16-2002, 03:23 PM

my pleasure

Tigerlily Gamgee · 10-16-2002, 04:43 PM

If too many fans read that I have a feeling that hobbits and elves will be showing up in other countries as well.

Diamond18 · 10-16-2002, 04:50 PM

Hehe. Now I can't wait for 2010. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

akhtene · 10-16-2002, 06:01 PM

WOW!!!
I saw a suggestion for doing so in one Russian forum, but I just couldn't take it setiously! Or would have defined my daughter as a goblin (she would have probably agreed) [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Evenstar1 · 10-16-2002, 08:21 PM

Thanks, lindil! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] (A Russian guy really swallowed his census form as a protest against U.S. policy in Iraq? Weird.) akhtene: is LOTR really as big in Russia as it is in English-speaking countries? That'd've been funny if more people took that question "seriously." ("What do you feel your nationality to be?") I'm a hobbit, too!

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Evenstar1 ]

Helkasir · 10-16-2002, 08:36 PM

I'd be a peredhil. They're cool.

That's just great.

akhtene · 10-16-2002, 09:02 PM

to Evenstar1 I’d say LotR is quite a big deal in Russia, especially in the last 15 years, after it had been translated into Russian. Now there are lots of web-sites in Russian, role-playing and research teams… even a sequel to LotR (scolded by some and admired by others)

**lindil** · 10-16-2002, 09:03 PM

Great to hear directly from Rus akhtene.

I would also like to know just how popular JRRT is in Rus.

I am sure the pirated/black market copies must be everywhere!

Evenstar1 · 10-16-2002, 09:06 PM

Cool! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] Thanks, akhtene! Oooh: a sequel! I hope it gets translated into English!!!

Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood · 10-16-2002, 09:08 PM

I'd be an edhel(elf)! What the heck! I am one!

Child of the 7th Age · 10-17-2002, 12:07 AM

A sequel to LotR?

I am very curious. What does this sequel say? How can they do this with British copyright laws?

sharon

Birdland · 10-17-2002, 12:12 AM

I, too, would love to know the basic plot, at least, of the LoTR sequel. When was it written, Akhtene? Have you read it?

I can just imagine the Tolkien estate trying to hash out a copyright lawsuit in the Russian courts. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]. I imagine they just let it go, but it will probably never be translated or offered in the U.K. or America. (unless it's online...hmmmmmm)

HerenIstarion · 10-17-2002, 01:01 AM

I have read that sequel (first 2 books, there are several i guess). It was horrible. Hobbit specialised on throwing knives, brrr. And folks are busying themselves searching for Nazgul rings, supposed to be buried were Nazgul hit the earth after Sauron's death.

But whatever fantasies Nick Perumov (the author) put in the thing, the mostly diversed from Tolkien is the spirit of it - it's completely dualistic.

To say it shortly, the thing is just a low rate battle fantasy, based on Tolkien and using same stage as a PR trick

and I prefer to call it 'thing', not novel

edit: Akhtene, I surely fall under those "some" who scold it, eh [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

**lindil** · 10-17-2002, 02:06 AM

Much thanks for the review H-I.

Yes, from all I have heard pursuing copyright laws in Russia would pretty much be a waste of time.

Of course it might be the best place to release, hgmhh, cough, never mind [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

H-I have you had a recent census there in Georgia? Any options on "what nationality do you feel yourself to be?

HerenIstarion · 10-17-2002, 02:12 AM

than present me with the thing ready (as I'm not much of the help in actually getting it ready), and i'll be glad to translate it...
ahem, never mind [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

as for census - last year. No options about feelings, though

Lush · 10-17-2002, 06:41 AM

Really, well, what would that make Putin then? Gandalf, Saruman? Or shall we ditch false modesty aside and just say Eru?

*Oi russkie, russkie, ne spokoi'naya sud'ba!*

akhtene · 10-17-2002, 09:20 PM

In responce to people here (with apologies in advance: 6.30 am, last nap - 16 Oct)
to HerenIstarion "Hobbit specialised on throwing knives, brrr. " Well, Merry&Pippin weren't the most peace-loving lot either.

to lindil "pursuing copyright laws in Russia would pretty much be a waste of time."
[img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] - perhaps I'm simply egoistic

to Lush "what would that make Putin then?" I'd say Aragorn - putting together what had been... well never mind

[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: akhtene ]

Dimaldaeon · 10-18-2002, 12:12 PM

Hmmn ,people searching for the Nazgûl rings.
I was writing a fan-fic about this until I lost interest in it and turned my attention back to wrtiting "The Knights of Hibrean".
Damn Russian authors stealing my ideas again

burrahobbit · 10-18-2002, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Now I can't wait for 2010.

Don't break the law, silly pants!

Diamond18 · 10-18-2002, 03:09 PM

Don't worry. I always take the boring but legal path in the end. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Birdland · 10-18-2002, 03:57 PM

Quote:

To say it shortly, the thing is just a low rate battle fantasy, based on Tolkien and using same stage as a PR trick.

Hey, when did Terry Brooks move to Russia?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 10-20-2002, 09:13 AM

Maybe he likes their census-taking system.

arelendil · 10-20-2002, 12:01 PM

i just read that! i'm sorry i'm slow! but my mum was telling me something similar this morning. when asked about religion some people said they were Jedi! is that as bad maybe not! can i just add that i'd be an edhel as well! i mean the whole shopping thing has become "does that look elven?"

Arwen1858 · 10-20-2002, 11:17 PM

I'd definately be an elf!!

Quote:

i mean the whole shopping thing has become "does that look elven?"

same here! I want to make an elfish looking dress.

Dark-Caranthir · 10-21-2002, 06:00 AM

hehehehehehehehe...

NICE ONE!
[img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

bombur · 10-21-2002, 11:36 AM

In British census I heard that thousands of people marked jedi for their religion. The guardian or the Times, whichever, made a story of it and I red it through the net.

(Finnish news is rather unreliable. Language group of 5 milion is very reliant on the comercial news services, they are all US based, politics comes to play... well anyways, I read the guardian and the Times.)

The paper put a good headline to the news "Ask a stupid question..." It seems to me that the Russian census is also getting rather stupid anwsers [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Sometimes I think it is sad that Finnish government does not do things like this. Nationality is only asked in the school for for the purpose of native language and b-foreign language classes in school. Religion only matters to know whether your records are in the census bureau or in church archive. (Though religious communities get tax exemption... few friends of mine tried once to apply for registration of cult of the great Cthulhu to the internal ministry. They almost made it.)

It seems we are missing a lot of fun for not having nosy gov. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Giving stupid anwsers to stupid questions is about the most fun thing there is.

Janne Harju

Rimbaud · 10-21-2002, 11:45 AM

The Jedi story is accurate. We needed ten thousand people on the Census to claim it as their primary religion in order for it to gain official recognition. The Census received a great many more than that; I have heard several figures but given the hige discrepancies in the numbers being bandied around, I will not promulgate inaccuracy. The end result was of course, success for the movement, although I don't believe anyone has been cheeky enough to request government support for the maintenance of the religion. Definitely a fun time and a good commentary on the ridiculous nature of the beast.

10-16-2002, 03:16 PM	#1
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	BBC reports Hobbits and Elves in Russia http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2333487.stm __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

10-16-2002, 03:21 PM	#2
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	That's a kick, Lindil! Thanks for posting it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

10-16-2002, 03:23 PM	#3
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	my pleasure __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

10-16-2002, 04:43 PM	#4
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	If too many fans read that I have a feeling that hobbits and elves will be showing up in other countries as well. __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

10-16-2002, 04:50 PM	#5
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Hehe. Now I can't wait for 2010. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

10-16-2002, 06:01 PM	#6
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 390	WOW!!! I saw a suggestion for doing so in one Russian forum, but I just couldn't take it setiously! Or would have defined my daughter as a goblin (she would have probably agreed) [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

10-16-2002, 08:21 PM	#7
Evenstar1 Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado (just east of the Misty Mts.) Posts: 111	Thanks, lindil! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] (A Russian guy really swallowed his census form as a protest against U.S. policy in Iraq? Weird.) akhtene: is LOTR really as big in Russia as it is in English-speaking countries? That'd've been funny if more people took that question "seriously." ("What do you feel your nationality to be?") I'm a hobbit, too! [ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Evenstar1 ] __________________ - Eve

10-16-2002, 08:36 PM	#8
Helkasir Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Iron Hills Posts: 89	I'd be a peredhil. They're cool. That's just great. __________________ "Onen i-Estal Edain, u-chebin estel anim."

10-16-2002, 09:02 PM	#9
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 390	to Evenstar1 I’d say LotR is quite a big deal in Russia, especially in the last 15 years, after it had been translated into Russian. Now there are lots of web-sites in Russian, role-playing and research teams… even a sequel to LotR (scolded by some and admired by others) __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

10-16-2002, 09:03 PM	#10
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Great to hear directly from Rus akhtene. I would also like to know just how popular JRRT is in Rus. I am sure the pirated/black market copies must be everywhere! __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

10-16-2002, 09:06 PM	#11
Evenstar1 Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado (just east of the Misty Mts.) Posts: 111	Cool! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] Thanks, akhtene! Oooh: a sequel! I hope it gets translated into English!!! __________________ - Eve

10-16-2002, 09:08 PM	#12
Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mirkwood, my kingdom Posts: 404	I'd be an edhel(elf)! What the heck! I am one! __________________ Thengise Greenleaf daughter of Legolas Greenleaf. My heart and soul belong to Judge Simon.

10-17-2002, 12:07 AM	#13
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	A sequel to LotR? I am very curious. What does this sequel say? How can they do this with British copyright laws? sharon __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

10-17-2002, 12:12 AM	#14
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	I, too, would love to know the basic plot, at least, of the LoTR sequel. When was it written, Akhtene? Have you read it? I can just imagine the Tolkien estate trying to hash out a copyright lawsuit in the Russian courts. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]. I imagine they just let it go, but it will probably never be translated or offered in the U.K. or America. (unless it's online...hmmmmmm)

10-17-2002, 01:01 AM	#15
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	I have read that sequel (first 2 books, there are several i guess). It was horrible. Hobbit specialised on throwing knives, brrr. And folks are busying themselves searching for Nazgul rings, supposed to be buried were Nazgul hit the earth after Sauron's death. But whatever fantasies Nick Perumov (the author) put in the thing, the mostly diversed from Tolkien is the spirit of it - it's completely dualistic. To say it shortly, the thing is just a low rate battle fantasy, based on Tolkien and using same stage as a PR trick and I prefer to call it 'thing', not novel edit: Akhtene, I surely fall under those "some" who scold it, eh [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ] __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

10-17-2002, 02:06 AM	#16
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Much thanks for the review H-I. Yes, from all I have heard pursuing copyright laws in Russia would pretty much be a waste of time. Of course it might be the best place to release, hgmhh, cough, never mind [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] H-I have you had a recent census there in Georgia? Any options on "what nationality do you feel yourself to be? __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

10-17-2002, 02:12 AM	#17
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	than present me with the thing ready (as I'm not much of the help in actually getting it ready), and i'll be glad to translate it... ahem, never mind [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] as for census - last year. No options about feelings, though __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

10-17-2002, 06:41 AM	#18
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Really, well, what would that make Putin then? Gandalf, Saruman? Or shall we ditch false modesty aside and just say Eru? Oi russkie, russkie, ne spokoi'naya sud'ba! __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

10-17-2002, 09:20 PM	#19
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 390	In responce to people here (with apologies in advance: 6.30 am, last nap - 16 Oct) to HerenIstarion "Hobbit specialised on throwing knives, brrr. " Well, Merry&Pippin weren't the most peace-loving lot either. to lindil "pursuing copyright laws in Russia would pretty much be a waste of time." [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] - perhaps I'm simply egoistic to Lush "what would that make Putin then?" I'd say Aragorn - putting together what had been... well never mind [ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: akhtene ] __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

10-18-2002, 12:12 PM	#20
Dimaldaeon Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ireland & damn proud of it. Posts: 125	Hmmn ,people searching for the Nazgûl rings. I was writing a fan-fic about this until I lost interest in it and turned my attention back to wrtiting "The Knights of Hibrean". Damn Russian authors stealing my ideas again __________________ Dear Saddam, Do not disunderestimate me.Yours G.W.Bush You're not drunk if you can still hold onto a blade of grass to stop yourself from falling off the face of the Earth

10-18-2002, 03:09 PM	#22
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Don't worry. I always take the boring but legal path in the end. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

10-20-2002, 09:13 AM	#24
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Maybe he likes their census-taking system. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

10-20-2002, 12:01 PM	#25
arelendil Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Eryn Lasgalen Posts: 202	i just read that! i'm sorry i'm slow! but my mum was telling me something similar this morning. when asked about religion some people said they were Jedi! is that as bad maybe not! can i just add that i'd be an edhel as well! i mean the whole shopping thing has become "does that look elven?" __________________ Nai Vardo eleni ilye lumenn' enomentielvo siluvar!

10-21-2002, 06:00 AM	#27
Dark-Caranthir Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Somewhere beyond the Sea Posts: 52	hehehehehehehehe... NICE ONE! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ A Elbereth Githoniel silivren penna miriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-diriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Faunilos, le linnathon nef aear, si nef aearon!

10-21-2002, 11:36 AM	#28
bombur Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: finland Posts: 126	In British census I heard that thousands of people marked jedi for their religion. The guardian or the Times, whichever, made a story of it and I red it through the net. (Finnish news is rather unreliable. Language group of 5 milion is very reliant on the comercial news services, they are all US based, politics comes to play... well anyways, I read the guardian and the Times.) The paper put a good headline to the news "Ask a stupid question..." It seems to me that the Russian census is also getting rather stupid anwsers [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Sometimes I think it is sad that Finnish government does not do things like this. Nationality is only asked in the school for for the purpose of native language and b-foreign language classes in school. Religion only matters to know whether your records are in the census bureau or in church archive. (Though religious communities get tax exemption... few friends of mine tried once to apply for registration of cult of the great Cthulhu to the internal ministry. They almost made it.) It seems we are missing a lot of fun for not having nosy gov. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Giving stupid anwsers to stupid questions is about the most fun thing there is. Janne Harju

10-21-2002, 11:45 AM	#29
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	The Jedi story is accurate. We needed ten thousand people on the Census to claim it as their primary religion in order for it to gain official recognition. The Census received a great many more than that; I have heard several figures but given the hige discrepancies in the numbers being bandied around, I will not promulgate inaccuracy. The end result was of course, success for the movement, although I don't believe anyone has been cheeky enough to request government support for the maintenance of the religion. Definitely a fun time and a good commentary on the ridiculous nature of the beast. __________________ And all the rest is literature