WOuld you kill gollum - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

midgetman · 12-07-2002, 02:05 PM

If this has been asked already, sorry! I didn't feel like looking at every single thread before posting this. But would you kill gollum if you could. Assuming you did not know what role he would play in the future?

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-07-2002, 03:41 PM

There are a lot of threads here about gollum, and you might find them interesting. No, I would not kill gollum.

-Imrahil- · 12-07-2002, 10:20 PM

This belongs in Novices. But to answer your question no I would not kill Gollum.

Child of the 7th Age · 12-07-2002, 11:48 PM

Midgetman,

You don't have to search every thread. Just look at the top of this page on the right side where it says "search". Click on search and it will take you to a page where you can type in your terms and hunt through a list that gives thread names. That way, you can see if there are obvious matches.

If something matches, you are welcome to bring the old thread up and post on that.

sharon, the 7th age hobbit

Diamond18 · 12-08-2002, 03:37 PM

It depends on the circumstances. If it was after he betrayed me or my best friend, yes. If he attacked me, yes. But if I met him on the road, or if like Bilbo I had him totally at my mercy, then no, I would not kill him. Like Meela said, he's too cute. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Rose Cotton · 12-08-2002, 04:19 PM

No.
I wouldn't kill anything unless it was out of self defence or it was for a greater good.
I don't think I would have even killed him when he betrayed Frodo and Sam becauseI've learned that revenge should be left for God to deal with.

Besides I like Gollum

[ December 08, 2002: Message edited by: Rose Cotton ]

Faye Took · 12-08-2002, 04:26 PM

No I wouldn't kill Gollum. I wouldn't kill anything! I believe in Karma too much.

Cherie Centaur · 12-08-2002, 04:29 PM

I agree with you people(except for that cute thing *shudders*), I only kill in self defense.

dragoneyes · 12-08-2002, 04:38 PM

I don't like dead things, can't even touch a dead fly without flinching, let alone a dead hobbit *shivers* nope, don't like dead things, unless it's on my dinner plate [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

HammerTime · 12-09-2002, 06:16 AM

I probably would want to kill Gollum, if I knew what he was like, but like dragoneyes I don't like dead things, so I probably couldn't. And then of course he's just so cute! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Inderjit Sanghera · 12-09-2002, 09:26 AM

No! Gollum kicks *** . I would kill Sam though. *Shakes fist* I hate him so much.

Rose Cotton · 12-09-2002, 02:55 PM

I did say I'd kill if it was for the greater good.

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-09-2002, 07:21 PM

I can't stand Sam. He was nice as a hobbit in the shire, but he had no right to treat gollum like he did. I liked him except for the way he treated gollum. Not everybody loves Sam. I don't think that I would kill Sam, like Inderjit said he would. I'd definately give Sam a good licking (that means @sskicking in case you didn't know). It does hurt maybe for you to hear that people want to kill Sam or that people hate Sam, but I think Inderjit was only joking when he said he'd kill Sam (or he was serious, I don't know). It also hurts to hear that people would kill gollum, and especially out of hatred. Maybe I'd kill him if it was necessary in self-defense or if it was the only way to allow the ring to be destroyed. You said that you would kill gollum only for the greater good, which is the only reason someone should have for killing anyone, gollum and Sam included. But don't be so quick to judge. "Judge not lest ye be judged." Well there you have it.

[ December 09, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

Aragorn_The_King · 12-10-2002, 06:33 PM

I Aragorn king of Middle Earth stand by, protecting Sam Gamgee with my life. The best hobbit ever made is my friend and al of His friends too. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-10-2002, 10:18 PM

Anyways, you said he was the best Hobbit ever made...explain please. I mean we're all entitled to our opinions, but show me your back up and why you think that.

[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-10-2002, 10:26 PM

I think that Sam is an excellent Hobbit. Frodo wouldn't have gotten far without him. If Sam hadn't taken the ring when Frodo was presumed dead then the orcs would've taken it when they took Frodo's body. Sam killed Shelob. He stayed with Frodo till the end. Perhaps he was a little harsh on Gollum, but Gollum did end up betraying them after all.
I, myself, would've listened to Gandalf's words, like Frodo, most likely. Plus, I don't think I'd be able to take the life of a wretched creature.

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

Diamond18 · 12-11-2002, 12:42 AM

Oh come now, come now. Sam was a wonderful lad with a fiery spirit hidden beneath all those hobbity layers. When push came to shove he always won. So I'd think twice before attacking him. Gollum always attacked from behind. That's how cowards play their game. But I still wouldn't kill him unless I had to.

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

Estelyn Telcontar · 12-11-2002, 02:57 AM

Sorry, people - wrong forum for roleplaying! This forum is for discussion; if you're looking for action, try joining one of our RPGs. I am editing the above posts to remove all references to killing/fighting fellow forum members.

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ]

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-11-2002, 03:08 AM

Gollum attacked from behind not because he was a coward, but because he was weaker. It wasn't cowardly but smart and cunning. He was a very sneaky creature. Despite all that torment in his mind from the ring he could still be crafty and cunning like a fox (although he looks more like a weasel). Or maybe it was the ring's influence on him. Anyways, if he had attacked straighton, then it would be useless, and he even might suffer injuries. He was smart, not cowardly, there's a difference between the two.

12-11-2002, 10:32 AM

I luv Sam! He's so loyal. Frodo wouldn't have lasted w/out him! Gollum is cool...I a weird kinda way *lol* You know what I mean?

01-10-2003, 10:30 PM

I dun tink i would kill him. He's such a sad lil thing [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] And he's like a puppy dog, i would gladly keep him as a pet [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Frodess · 01-11-2003, 01:56 PM

You can't kill Gollum. He's so sad. I think it would probably be an act of kindness to kill him, because life isn't really working out for him. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] But I couldn't do it. He makes me cry. All that has happened is not his fault!

dragoneyes · 01-11-2003, 02:08 PM

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All that has happened is not his fault!

You have to admit though, some of it was his fault. I don't like gollum, nomatter what anyone says, he's not cute or nice or lovely, but as I said earlier, I don't like dead things and killing is rather harsh.

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Gollum attacked from behind not because he was a coward, but because he was weaker

He wasn't that much weaker, he may have believed he was weaker (though I personnaly think he was being sneaky) but he wasn't actually weaker enough to warrant attaking from behind.

Frodess · 01-11-2003, 03:42 PM

What I meant was that what happened to him was not his fault. I do not condone his attempted killing of Bilbo and such, but I still feel bad for him. Even after Shelob.

Malamute · 01-11-2003, 05:29 PM

It's hard to foresay what my actions would have been against Gollum, but pity as its been stated would prolly be my reaction once sustaining an upper hand to his sneak attacks.

Sam is like one of the best and bravest Hobbits around. Always first to defend,loyalty without hesitation, strength of will, and the magic of ignorance all make samwise an intriguing and sustained prescence throught the LotR's trilogy. It's too bad people havent delved into defining the samwise character to themselves in a proper perspective. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Iarwain · 01-11-2003, 06:34 PM

I have to post immediately, so please forgive any repeats.

It makes me sad to think that someone would consider such a thing. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Gollum is a truly wretched creature, but had he not accomplished the quest for Frodo, he would have had hope for recovery. The execution of such a pitiful person as Gollum would be (by my standards) outright murder. Perhaps he is rotten to the core, but that does not change his origin. Though his corruption originated in his own greedy and cruel behaviou, the ring both inspired these feelings and kept them going for the durration of Gollum's existence. I'd like you all to think back to the stairs of Cirith Ungol, (just about the most touching point in the book) Gollum was an old tired hobbit once more, he had realized himself. Had only Sam been compassionate from the beginning, who knows what would have come of Gollum? The ring drove him, called him for thousands of miles and hundreds of years, leaving him with nothing but his own bare bones. There are many arguments against what I have just said, and many of them make good sense, but poor Gollum deserved forgiveness, and though he started the path to his own corruption, I believe that in and near the end, the choice was no longer his.

Sobbing Quietly,
Iarwain

Legolas'Beloved · 01-11-2003, 06:37 PM

I would not have killed him but I would have been a little suspicious of him like Sam was.

MYyyPreciousSS · 01-11-2003, 07:10 PM

I just have to say that I agree with all that Iarwain has said. I would say the same, but since she has already, I will second it.
Also, even though I was also quite angry with Sam always putting Gollum down, I still like him. He may be my least favorite hobbit, but he is still very brave and very helpful.

Well, as you can probably tell by my name, I am a fan of Gollum, and to answer the question, No I would not kill Gollum. In fact, I cried when he, well, came to his fate.

[ January 11, 2003: Message edited by: MYyyPreciousSS ]

Eglaladiel · 01-11-2003, 07:24 PM

No way!! isnt he the reason why the ring was destroid? (im still in after-shock at this question)
yah.anyways.....wasnt this done already?

Tar-Palantir · 01-11-2003, 08:17 PM

Mr. Gollum has a nasty habit of surviving, and probably would prove tough to kill. I was surprised when he let himself be cornered by Faramir's bowmen, very unlike his normal behavior. Also, his 'origin' was that of a nasty hobbit, he was never a good samaritan in any sense of the word, and any leniency was undeserved unless it was on the basis of pity and basic decency. Saruman used to be good (unlike Gollum), but I doubt many on this board would show him the leniency that Gandalf or Frodo did. Why is that?

Oh, and if someone bit MY finger off, well... they better hope we're nowhere near the Cracks of Doom... [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

01-11-2003, 08:25 PM

I'd just kill him when I had the chance................ I dun care if he's gonna help me. I prefer to work alone, not let some skinny under-fed 500-year old hobbit guide me where I need to go.

So if you didn't get my answer from that, then you can get it from this:

I WOULD DEFINATLY KILL GOLLUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gorwingel · 01-11-2003, 09:11 PM

This would be a hard question for me, to kill or not to kill. Yes, Gollum is a mean creature that probably deserves death sometimes, and other times does not. Yes, I would probably kill him. Sam and Frodo would have eventually made it to Mordor without him (it may have took a long time though).

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-11-2003, 09:32 PM

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He wasn't that much weaker, he may have believed he was weaker (though I personnaly think he was being sneaky) but he wasn't actually weaker enough to warrant attaking from behind.

He may have had a good chance but my point was that Gollum would not take any unnecessary risks.

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he was never a good samaritan in any sense of the word

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Saruman used to be good (unlike Gollum)

Ok, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing people say this about Gollum. You can't say that because you don't know if that's true. In "The Hobbit", it said that Gollum used to teach his grandmother to suck eggs. Right there he's being a good samaritan in a sense and he is helping someone, and isn't that good? So please don't say stuff like that if you can't back it up.

Tar-Palantir · 01-11-2003, 10:43 PM

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Ok, I'm getting pretty tired of hearing people say this about Gollum. You can't say that because you don't know if that's true. In "The Hobbit", it said that Gollum used to teach his grandmother to suck eggs. Right there he's being a good samaritan in a sense and he is helping someone, and isn't that good?

Well, I can't help it if that is the feeling I get from reading about him. Granted, I didn't recall the 'eggs' line, and that does sound like a decent act, but dollars to donuts he would have strangled her for a gold ring.

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So please don't say stuff like that if you can't back it up.

Besides the killing of Deagol (pre-ring, of course) there are three key lines from FotR:
"..and he used it (the Ring) to find out secrets, and he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful. The ring had given him power according to his stature."
That makes it pretty clear to me. And even the great Gandalf himself says with regards to Gollum deserving death: "Deserves it! I daresay he does" Of course his stance favors pity and mercy "...not to strike without need." but he quite clearly feels that Gollum deserves death, and as far as I know there are none more knowledgeable in Smeagol-lore. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Iarwain · 01-11-2003, 11:18 PM

I think you misunderstand Gandalf there. I take him to mean that Gollum deserves death through his acts. And, all of his seriously indecent acts occured after his intruduction to the ring, (thats including the Deagol incident). Plus, nobody's perfect no matter how hard they try, everyone has a weakness. It just seems that as the ring has "the power to corrupt" (Gandalf) it seeks to undo the good of the persons who posses it.

Thus, Again I will say that I believe the ring was taking advantage of poor gollum, and it manipulated his curiousity to fit its own desires, causing Gollum's ultimate corruption and love/hate of the ring.

Iarwain

01-12-2003, 12:08 AM

is teaching your grandmother to suck eggs even a good deed? I really don't think that counts.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-12-2003, 03:48 AM

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I didn't recall the 'eggs' line

It's in the cahpter "Riddles in the Dark", where the pareagraph starts out as "But suddenly Gollum remembered..." an the answer to the riddle is eggs.

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but dollars to donuts

I have no clue what that means

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he would have strangled her for a gold ring

I can see that happening , [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] as much as I love Gollum. And about the rest, I'm talking about before the ring entered his life.

And, I agree with Iarwain.

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is teaching your grandmother to suck eggs even a good deed? I really don't think that counts.

What are you talking about? Why doesn't it count. It does count. The fact of the matter is that Gollum wasn't wholly evil before the ring. If he was, then he would never had helped anyone. And why is teaching your grandmother to suck eggs not a good thing? Gollum went out of his way to help someone, and that is good!

01-12-2003, 09:43 AM

Yus, he wasn't evil before he got the ring. I know that. But that doesn't change the fact that he's evil now and we have a right to kill him cause he's evil. I still don't credit teaching your grandmother to suck eggs a good deed. I mean, what if somebody sucked and egg's yolk out and then spat it at you(lol). That would NOT be a good deed.

dragoneyes · 01-12-2003, 09:52 AM

Just need to clear this up so that I may have my own view on this conversation, but what do you mean by 'sucking eggs'?

01-12-2003, 10:22 AM

basically to suck the insides out of eggs

12-07-2002, 02:05 PM	#1
midgetman Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 11	WOuld you kill gollum If this has been asked already, sorry! I didn't feel like looking at every single thread before posting this. But would you kill gollum if you could. Assuming you did not know what role he would play in the future?

12-07-2002, 03:41 PM	#2
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	There are a lot of threads here about gollum, and you might find them interesting. No, I would not kill gollum. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

12-07-2002, 10:20 PM	#3
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	This belongs in Novices. But to answer your question no I would not kill Gollum. __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-07-2002, 11:48 PM	#4
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Midgetman, You don't have to search every thread. Just look at the top of this page on the right side where it says "search". Click on search and it will take you to a page where you can type in your terms and hunt through a list that gives thread names. That way, you can see if there are obvious matches. If something matches, you are welcome to bring the old thread up and post on that. sharon, the 7th age hobbit __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

12-08-2002, 03:37 PM	#5
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,493	It depends on the circumstances. If it was after he betrayed me or my best friend, yes. If he attacked me, yes. But if I met him on the road, or if like Bilbo I had him totally at my mercy, then no, I would not kill him. Like Meela said, he's too cute. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-08-2002, 04:19 PM	#6
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	No. I wouldn't kill anything unless it was out of self defence or it was for a greater good. I don't think I would have even killed him when he betrayed Frodo and Sam becauseI've learned that revenge should be left for God to deal with. Besides I like Gollum [ December 08, 2002: Message edited by: Rose Cotton ] __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

12-08-2002, 04:26 PM	#7
Faye Took Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 345	No I wouldn't kill Gollum. I wouldn't kill anything! I believe in Karma too much. __________________ Dream-of the ones who came before. They are calling from across a distant shore. My Blog

12-08-2002, 04:29 PM	#8
Cherie Centaur Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cottage Cheese near the Gap Posts: 95	I agree with you people(except for that cute thing shudders), I only kill in self defense. __________________ Why do we let the monkey slide for popping the weasel? Just because he thought it was fun? Guys, we're dealing with a psycho.

12-08-2002, 04:38 PM	#9
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 743	I don't like dead things, can't even touch a dead fly without flinching, let alone a dead hobbit shivers nope, don't like dead things, unless it's on my dinner plate [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

12-09-2002, 06:16 AM	#10
HammerTime Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia... yes down-under cringes Posts: 24	I probably would want to kill Gollum, if I knew what he was like, but like dragoneyes I don't like dead things, so I probably couldn't. And then of course he's just so cute! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Truth! Justice! Freedom! And a Hard-boiled Egg!

12-09-2002, 09:26 AM	#11
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	No! Gollum kicks *** . I would kill Sam though. Shakes fist I hate him so much. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

12-09-2002, 02:55 PM	#12
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	I did say I'd kill if it was for the greater good. [ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

12-09-2002, 07:21 PM	#13
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	I can't stand Sam. He was nice as a hobbit in the shire, but he had no right to treat gollum like he did. I liked him except for the way he treated gollum. Not everybody loves Sam. I don't think that I would kill Sam, like Inderjit said he would. I'd definately give Sam a good licking (that means @sskicking in case you didn't know). It does hurt maybe for you to hear that people want to kill Sam or that people hate Sam, but I think Inderjit was only joking when he said he'd kill Sam (or he was serious, I don't know). It also hurts to hear that people would kill gollum, and especially out of hatred. Maybe I'd kill him if it was necessary in self-defense or if it was the only way to allow the ring to be destroyed. You said that you would kill gollum only for the greater good, which is the only reason someone should have for killing anyone, gollum and Sam included. But don't be so quick to judge. "Judge not lest ye be judged." Well there you have it. [ December 09, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ] [ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

12-10-2002, 06:33 PM	#14
Aragorn_The_King Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Inside the LOTR book Posts: 34	I Aragorn king of Middle Earth stand by, protecting Sam Gamgee with my life. The best hobbit ever made is my friend and al of His friends too. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] __________________ If you study into a field, there are worlds of information waiting to be found.

12-10-2002, 10:18 PM	#15
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Anyways, you said he was the best Hobbit ever made...explain please. I mean we're all entitled to our opinions, but show me your back up and why you think that. [ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ] [ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

12-10-2002, 10:26 PM	#16
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,056	I think that Sam is an excellent Hobbit. Frodo wouldn't have gotten far without him. If Sam hadn't taken the ring when Frodo was presumed dead then the orcs would've taken it when they took Frodo's body. Sam killed Shelob. He stayed with Frodo till the end. Perhaps he was a little harsh on Gollum, but Gollum did end up betraying them after all. I, myself, would've listened to Gandalf's words, like Frodo, most likely. Plus, I don't think I'd be able to take the life of a wretched creature. [ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-11-2002, 12:42 AM	#17
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,493	Oh come now, come now. Sam was a wonderful lad with a fiery spirit hidden beneath all those hobbity layers. When push came to shove he always won. So I'd think twice before attacking him. Gollum always attacked from behind. That's how cowards play their game. But I still wouldn't kill him unless I had to. [ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-11-2002, 02:57 AM	#18
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,535	Sorry, people - wrong forum for roleplaying! This forum is for discussion; if you're looking for action, try joining one of our RPGs. I am editing the above posts to remove all references to killing/fighting fellow forum members. [ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Estelyn Telcontar ] __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

12-11-2002, 03:08 AM	#19
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Gollum attacked from behind not because he was a coward, but because he was weaker. It wasn't cowardly but smart and cunning. He was a very sneaky creature. Despite all that torment in his mind from the ring he could still be crafty and cunning like a fox (although he looks more like a weasel). Or maybe it was the ring's influence on him. Anyways, if he had attacked straighton, then it would be useless, and he even might suffer injuries. He was smart, not cowardly, there's a difference between the two. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

12-11-2002, 10:32 AM	#20
Corky Guest Posts: n/a	I luv Sam! He's so loyal. Frodo wouldn't have lasted w/out him! Gollum is cool...I a weird kinda way lol You know what I mean?

01-10-2003, 10:30 PM	#21
Sasha Guest Posts: n/a	I dun tink i would kill him. He's such a sad lil thing [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] And he's like a puppy dog, i would gladly keep him as a pet [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

01-11-2003, 01:56 PM	#22
Frodess Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 64	You can't kill Gollum. He's so sad. I think it would probably be an act of kindness to kill him, because life isn't really working out for him. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] But I couldn't do it. He makes me cry. All that has happened is not his fault! __________________ Lots of Cheese Je suis le fromage!

01-11-2003, 03:42 PM	#24
Frodess Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 64	What I meant was that what happened to him was not his fault. I do not condone his attempted killing of Bilbo and such, but I still feel bad for him. Even after Shelob. __________________ Lots of Cheese Je suis le fromage!

01-11-2003, 05:29 PM	#25
Malamute Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upper Peninsula Of Michigan Posts: 11	It's hard to foresay what my actions would have been against Gollum, but pity as its been stated would prolly be my reaction once sustaining an upper hand to his sneak attacks. Sam is like one of the best and bravest Hobbits around. Always first to defend,loyalty without hesitation, strength of will, and the magic of ignorance all make samwise an intriguing and sustained prescence throught the LotR's trilogy. It's too bad people havent delved into defining the samwise character to themselves in a proper perspective. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ eglerio e galenas!

01-11-2003, 06:34 PM	#26
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 802	I have to post immediately, so please forgive any repeats. It makes me sad to think that someone would consider such a thing. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Gollum is a truly wretched creature, but had he not accomplished the quest for Frodo, he would have had hope for recovery. The execution of such a pitiful person as Gollum would be (by my standards) outright murder. Perhaps he is rotten to the core, but that does not change his origin. Though his corruption originated in his own greedy and cruel behaviou, the ring both inspired these feelings and kept them going for the durration of Gollum's existence. I'd like you all to think back to the stairs of Cirith Ungol, (just about the most touching point in the book) Gollum was an old tired hobbit once more, he had realized himself. Had only Sam been compassionate from the beginning, who knows what would have come of Gollum? The ring drove him, called him for thousands of miles and hundreds of years, leaving him with nothing but his own bare bones. There are many arguments against what I have just said, and many of them make good sense, but poor Gollum deserved forgiveness, and though he started the path to his own corruption, I believe that in and near the end, the choice was no longer his. Sobbing Quietly, Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-11-2003, 06:37 PM	#27
Legolas'Beloved Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 13	I would not have killed him but I would have been a little suspicious of him like Sam was. __________________ Your dwarf breaths so loud we could have shot him in the dark.-- Haldir There's a foul voice on the air.--Legolas Elves RULE!!--Me

01-11-2003, 07:10 PM	#28
MYyyPreciousSS Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the Here and Now Posts: 113	I just have to say that I agree with all that Iarwain has said. I would say the same, but since she has already, I will second it. Also, even though I was also quite angry with Sam always putting Gollum down, I still like him. He may be my least favorite hobbit, but he is still very brave and very helpful. Well, as you can probably tell by my name, I am a fan of Gollum, and to answer the question, No I would not kill Gollum. In fact, I cried when he, well, came to his fate. [ January 11, 2003: Message edited by: MYyyPreciousSS ] __________________ Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. And suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her. "My Preciousss" - the line that started the obsession.

01-11-2003, 07:24 PM	#29
Eglaladiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Rivendell... Posts: 55	No way!! isnt he the reason why the ring was destroid? (im still in after-shock at this question) yah.anyways.....wasnt this done already? __________________ <3 -R.I.P. Padfoot (sniffle, sniffle)

01-11-2003, 08:17 PM	#30
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	Mr. Gollum has a nasty habit of surviving, and probably would prove tough to kill. I was surprised when he let himself be cornered by Faramir's bowmen, very unlike his normal behavior. Also, his 'origin' was that of a nasty hobbit, he was never a good samaritan in any sense of the word, and any leniency was undeserved unless it was on the basis of pity and basic decency. Saruman used to be good (unlike Gollum), but I doubt many on this board would show him the leniency that Gandalf or Frodo did. Why is that? Oh, and if someone bit MY finger off, well... they better hope we're nowhere near the Cracks of Doom... [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

01-11-2003, 08:25 PM	#31
Luinoth,Heir_of_Rohan Guest Posts: n/a	I'd just kill him when I had the chance................ I dun care if he's gonna help me. I prefer to work alone, not let some skinny under-fed 500-year old hobbit guide me where I need to go. So if you didn't get my answer from that, then you can get it from this: I WOULD DEFINATLY KILL GOLLUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-11-2003, 09:11 PM	#32
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,430	This would be a hard question for me, to kill or not to kill. Yes, Gollum is a mean creature that probably deserves death sometimes, and other times does not. Yes, I would probably kill him. Sam and Frodo would have eventually made it to Mordor without him (it may have took a long time though). __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

01-11-2003, 11:18 PM	#35
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 802	I think you misunderstand Gandalf there. I take him to mean that Gollum deserves death through his acts. And, all of his seriously indecent acts occured after his intruduction to the ring, (thats including the Deagol incident). Plus, nobody's perfect no matter how hard they try, everyone has a weakness. It just seems that as the ring has "the power to corrupt" (Gandalf) it seeks to undo the good of the persons who posses it. Thus, Again I will say that I believe the ring was taking advantage of poor gollum, and it manipulated his curiousity to fit its own desires, causing Gollum's ultimate corruption and love/hate of the ring. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-12-2003, 12:08 AM	#36
Luinoth,Heir_of_Rohan Guest Posts: n/a	is teaching your grandmother to suck eggs even a good deed? I really don't think that counts.

01-12-2003, 09:43 AM	#38
Luinoth,Heir_of_Rohan Guest Posts: n/a	Yus, he wasn't evil before he got the ring. I know that. But that doesn't change the fact that he's evil now and we have a right to kill him cause he's evil. I still don't credit teaching your grandmother to suck eggs a good deed. I mean, what if somebody sucked and egg's yolk out and then spat it at you(lol). That would NOT be a good deed.

01-12-2003, 09:52 AM	#39
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 743	Just need to clear this up so that I may have my own view on this conversation, but what do you mean by 'sucking eggs'? __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.