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07-03-2003, 10:02 PM

Hey, I'm completely new here, and I really just started the Lord of the rings last year, and I'm just on the last couple of pages of the The Return of the King. And I find that it's an excellent trilogy! And'm really intrested in the topic of Middle-Earth and Tolkien's mythology. But, I'm finding the end of the Trilogy to be in-conclusive, like what happens to Sam, Frodo all the way to the end? How does Gondor turn out? What happens to Mordor? I have no clue and I want to know! Ahh!

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 07-04-2003, 01:17 AM

The only thing you can really read is the Appendices. That would tell you a little of you would like to know. That's basically where it ends. It's sad, yes, but it had to stop somewhere, at least Tolkien's part. the rests sort of begins with us. We can imagine and write fantasy and carry on how we think it would have, but of course, each persons writing is not the same and is contradictory. You are free to read others writing too, but just because you read something, doesn't mean it is true.

I think that JRR Tolkien was encouraging us to write and to carry on Middle-earth. He could not finish Middle-earth. We can write on and on. Christopher Tolkien has kinda of done this, but not really with what happened after. It is us, the fans that are left with the chance to write ME based fantasy after LotR. I think Tolkien wanted us to do that because of the way LotR was written in the sense that Bilbo started it, Frodo picked it up after that, and then Sam followed and finished. In my opinion, it is like JRR started it, Christopher carried it on, and we are left to continue it. One way is to try the RPG's on this forum.

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07-04-2003, 03:35 AM

Another alternative is to go 'backward', to read the history that comes before Lord of the rings. It will add to the depth and understandig. There is Silmarillion and all the material that Christopher Tolkien have published in History of Middle Earth. Some of it is rather difficult to read and understand, but a lot of it is very interesting.
It may feel sad, but after all, every written story has to come to an end.

Yavanna228 · 07-04-2003, 08:26 AM

Along the lines of what Itarilde said, if you go back and read the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and the like, you'll see what the history of ME is. That way, you'll find the background filled in, and if history repeats itself, you'll have an inkling of what the future may hold for ME. Enjoy the wealth of reading still to do! Welcome to the Downs, Andwise. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Happy posting.
Peace

peonydeepdelver · 07-04-2003, 07:14 PM

One thing I also did that sort of cleared some stuff up after Return of the King was I went back and reread the prologue. It talks a little about Merry's herbology book and intersting tidbits like that. I also reccommend reading The Silmarillion, and maybe imagining yourself what happened afterwards, and write a story about it.

Iarwain · 07-05-2003, 12:53 PM

Yes, always imagine what you cannot reach. It'll help you get there. Once, I started a story that told of the Dagor Dagorath (the end of the world). I stopped after the second page, but I've always felt that if someone has the talent and the wits, they should produce the conclusion.

Another alternative is to reach out and discover the other tales that Tolkien wrote.

Iarwain

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-06-2003, 01:39 PM

Many fans have written fan fiction that carries on where Tolkien's story ends; not all of it is good, but I highly recommend Tales From Tol Eressea, by our very own Mithadan, for example.

Yavanna Kementari · 07-06-2003, 02:34 PM

"If I may" *bows*

You can also find a few tidbits of information in the Simarillion about the endings if the Lord of the Rings.

Happy Hunting! -(~<~> Yavanna

07-03-2003, 10:02 PM	#1
Andwise Guest Posts: n/a	Howdy, and can I have some help. Hey, I'm completely new here, and I really just started the Lord of the rings last year, and I'm just on the last couple of pages of the The Return of the King. And I find that it's an excellent trilogy! And'm really intrested in the topic of Middle-Earth and Tolkien's mythology. But, I'm finding the end of the Trilogy to be in-conclusive, like what happens to Sam, Frodo all the way to the end? How does Gondor turn out? What happens to Mordor? I have no clue and I want to know! Ahh!

07-04-2003, 01:17 AM	#2
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	The only thing you can really read is the Appendices. That would tell you a little of you would like to know. That's basically where it ends. It's sad, yes, but it had to stop somewhere, at least Tolkien's part. the rests sort of begins with us. We can imagine and write fantasy and carry on how we think it would have, but of course, each persons writing is not the same and is contradictory. You are free to read others writing too, but just because you read something, doesn't mean it is true. I think that JRR Tolkien was encouraging us to write and to carry on Middle-earth. He could not finish Middle-earth. We can write on and on. Christopher Tolkien has kinda of done this, but not really with what happened after. It is us, the fans that are left with the chance to write ME based fantasy after LotR. I think Tolkien wanted us to do that because of the way LotR was written in the sense that Bilbo started it, Frodo picked it up after that, and then Sam followed and finished. In my opinion, it is like JRR started it, Christopher carried it on, and we are left to continue it. One way is to try the RPG's on this forum. EDIT: Welcome to the downs. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And Happy Fourth of July! God Bless America! [ July 04, 2003: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ] __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

07-04-2003, 08:26 AM	#4
Yavanna228 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: on the wings of the morning Posts: 394	Along the lines of what Itarilde said, if you go back and read the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and the like, you'll see what the history of ME is. That way, you'll find the background filled in, and if history repeats itself, you'll have an inkling of what the future may hold for ME. Enjoy the wealth of reading still to do! Welcome to the Downs, Andwise. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Happy posting. Peace __________________ 'Dulaman na Binne Bui, Dulaman Gaelach/ Dulaman na farraige, 's e b'fhearr a bhi in Eirinn!'

07-04-2003, 07:14 PM	#5
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	One thing I also did that sort of cleared some stuff up after Return of the King was I went back and reread the prologue. It talks a little about Merry's herbology book and intersting tidbits like that. I also reccommend reading The Silmarillion, and maybe imagining yourself what happened afterwards, and write a story about it. __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

07-05-2003, 12:53 PM	#6
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Yes, always imagine what you cannot reach. It'll help you get there. Once, I started a story that told of the Dagor Dagorath (the end of the world). I stopped after the second page, but I've always felt that if someone has the talent and the wits, they should produce the conclusion. Another alternative is to reach out and discover the other tales that Tolkien wrote. Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

07-04-2003, 03:35 AM	#3
Itarilde Guest Posts: n/a	Another alternative is to go 'backward', to read the history that comes before Lord of the rings. It will add to the depth and understandig. There is Silmarillion and all the material that Christopher Tolkien have published in History of Middle Earth. Some of it is rather difficult to read and understand, but a lot of it is very interesting. It may feel sad, but after all, every written story has to come to an end.

07-06-2003, 01:39 PM	#7
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,499	Many fans have written fan fiction that carries on where Tolkien's story ends; not all of it is good, but I highly recommend Tales From Tol Eressea, by our very own Mithadan, for example. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

07-06-2003, 02:34 PM	#8
Yavanna Kementari Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 97	"If I may" bows You can also find a few tidbits of information in the Simarillion about the endings if the Lord of the Rings. Happy Hunting! -(~<~> Yavanna __________________ "Nonetheless they will have need of wood." Aulë speaking to Yavanna of Dwarves :P to you Aulë