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HCIsland · 03-04-2003, 09:19 AM

Count me as someone who didn't mind the Bakshi film. Although flawed, I felt it was ambitious for such a limited budget. In my opinion, he deserves credit for that. I would rather see a film maker take some chances and fall short of the mark then to just repeat a successful formula derived by his or her predecessors.H.C.

Dain · 03-04-2003, 10:07 AM

I must say, remembering these old version makes me thankful for the new ones, no matter what you think of them, they aren't nearly as bad as the animated ones... I can't remember ever making it through Bakshi's movie. I tried a few times, but it was so hard to watch, and I think it put me to sleep or something, because my brain refuses to remember it...The Hobbit and the RotK--were they by the same people? With all the singing and similar kiddie-cartoon style I thought they were. The Hobbit was at least watchable for something aimed at children, but RotK was so slow at times and the singing and...zzzzzzz...I was asleep again! (I often have that reaction to bad movies...) The songs in the Hobbit at least used Tokien's words--unfortunately the music was overdone.Fifteen birds (bum bum bum) in five fir tress (zing zang zing) oh what shall we do (boom boom boom) with the funny little things? And it's hard to read the songs now without their melodies coming into my heads. Grrr! And smaug looked like a cat...

greyhavener · 03-04-2003, 05:30 PM

I thought the LOTR was an attempt to make something at a time there was not the technology to support the concept. I remember seeing it in theatres and being disappointed.I liked the animated Hobbit. My son who is nine and a total Tolkien fan thought it was cool that they put in the songs. We enjoyed the little snatches we caught in Jackson's movies, but would have liked to have heard entire songs. Does anyone know: is the Road Goes Ever On and On and the Lay of Luthien on the soundtrack CD?

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 03-04-2003, 06:29 PM

Everyone keeps talking about the songs in The Hobbit from the book. Did anyone notice any in Bakshi's film? I like how they did the one Frodo sang. "There is an inn a merry old inn beneath the old grey hill..." Did anyone notice any others?

HCIsland · 03-04-2003, 06:53 PM

I really can't remember any others in that film, though it's been a while since I last saw it.As for the soundtrack of the Jackson film, those songs are not on it.H.C.[ March 04, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]

peonydeepdelver · 03-04-2003, 06:54 PM

lol, Saucepan Man, now that you mention Glorfindel, here's a something that happened as me and my lil bro watched that part. *someone says something about hearing a horse, they hide, an elf is shown riding towards them* Me: Yay, Glorfindel! *Aragorn jumps out and gasps* Aragorn: Legolas! Me: NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brother: HAHAHAHA! Me: Grrrrrr... evil cross-eyed elf...I guess I'm considered a Glorfindel fan.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 03-05-2003, 04:06 PM

Blah... now I don't remember who posted about the way that they seem to have supressed memories about The Lord of the Rings, but it rings all too clear. I know I've seen it all because I watched it with my brother and we laughed about it, however now I can't remember what on Earth happened in it. It's possible that we stopped it short. Hmm... oh well. I seem to have lost my train of thought.To whomever posted about the pot-bellied starving Gollum (sorry, once again, a memory lapse), technically that's accurate for starvation. Have you never seen the poor little children that they show on television that have big bellies? It's cause by starvation. When you have no food, you body burns fat, but if there is no fat to burn, it consumes muscles. The bellies bulge because there are no muscles left to hold the organs in place, so they "fall out" so to speak.

Chancellen the True · 03-09-2003, 11:39 PM

I understand the purist's view when it comes to the animated movies; but I'm an artist and a RPGer, and I see things a little differently. Lets start with The Hobbit. It was a made for TV movie and quite a bold move for a network to produce an animated feature. Besides from some BBC radio stuff, this was THE FIRST "view" of Tolkien's work that the general public saw. Another thing to remember is that it was made for children. You have to remember also that it was made in '77. Everything was hand drawn, frame by frame, NO COMPUTERS! The artwork was quite good. If you look in the credits, the voice actor's list is impressive. My favorite is Richard Boone (Paladin, Have Gun, Will Travel [great show]), as Smaug. The "christmas lights" around Elrond's head are ioun stones, magical stones that have powers. Middle Earth is a "fantasy" realm, so some artistic license must be given, especially with animation. When we read the books, we each have our own visual interpitation of what we read. No person's vision is completely right or wrong.The animated LOTR movie has it's good points and it's bad points; but since most of the bad points have been stomped into the dirt, I'll try and make some good points. Before I get into what I like, I must say that I hate the butchering that was done. I understand that you have to leave out pieces of the story sometimes, but what was done here is inexcusable. I did not like the way they drew the main characters, both in style and in form. They really suffered when compared to some of the lush backrounds. I doubt that Aragorn was so ugly, but John Hurt did a great job with the voice. Everyone's facial expressions were hard to understand. Boromir's voice and size and strength was right on the money. In the book he was supposed to be different than Faramir, not the same. They outfitted Boromir strangely, he was a prince and it should have showed. I loved the way they portrayed the orcs. The animation over film effect was cool in the large battle scenes. The animation in general really improved as the movie went along. The Nazgul were well done as well. They were tall, dark and terrible. My only gripe was the lack of a pronounced crown on the witch king. The portrayal of Galadriel was the best part of the movie for me.I guess I see fantasy different than most folks. I feel that the new movies missed on some points. I doubt it's the movie's fault, It's just that I see things differently than the people involved. The elves were way to plain, they should look half divine, not like a guy I saw on the bus the other day. I understand what most of you are saying about these movies; but remember, other people envision what they read differently than you and that a lot of hard work went into making those films. Don't forget, they were all hand drawn, no CGI.Oh, I forgot to mention TROTK. There's not much to say, I can't even defend this one. The whip song is a sentamental favorite of mine. You just have to mention it to me and it starts all over again in my head. One small point, hearing Roddy McDowell recite Tolkien dramaticly was pretty cool. Thanks

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 03-10-2003, 12:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> To whomever posted about the pot-bellied starving Gollum (sorry, once again, a memory lapse), technically that's accurate for starvation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That was me, and it's alright. But starving people's bellies bulge out like that? I never really knew that. Come to think of it now, I have seen that on those charity commercials. Maybe that director decided to be correct by giving Gollum a pot belly, but I dont think he really did have one, even if he was sorry.And about the bad points in the animated LotR, Chancellen the True pointed out a big reason for this. It was the technology during the period it was made. It was reletively primitive, and if you add that to the low budget, you're not going to get that great of a film. But considering those obstacles I thought they did pretty good. And who cares if Boromir looks like a viking. In the Hobbit, the elf king of Mirkwood looked like a blue freak that Dr. Suess drew or something. And so what if Aragorn looked like an indian. In the Hobbit Smaug looked like meow's would have been coming out of his mouth rather than fire. I'm not going to compare it to RotK because that, well, is a few (hundred) steps down from these two movies.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 08-10-2003, 08:07 PM

I suppose I'm getting sentimental in my old age (*supposed to be a joke because I am a week short of 16... ha ha *), but I just love this thread. As much as I love ROTK. It makes me laugh. And laugh. And laugh. Sometimes I can stop laughing before my parents start talking about professional help!I STILL haven't watched animated LOTR fully. I tried, really I did. I tried alone, I tried watching with friends... I got through Gandalf's introduction; "As the Last Alliance fell beneath the might of Sauron" (Sauron won?). I got through the thirty second blur of 17 years worth of seasons (finished wondering if I'd end up having a seizure). I just got to the part when Gandalf and Frodo go for the walk when I turned my head. I looked back, and there was this bucktoothed potato being pulled out of a bush. Then I heard "oh golly Mr Frodo, Oh yay!" and I realized it was supposed to be Sam. That's when I couldn't get any farther. I was really afraid of Sam... seriously, that was terrifying!But I do appreciate that Bakshi was trying to accomplish the impossible in this film, although he failed miserably... Better than I could do (I think). Cheers, and all, please laugh at this highly amusing thread. If you haven't seen the movies, please do, they are worth seeing!Fea

Socialist · 08-10-2003, 09:25 PM

When I was a kid I used to love "Frodo The Nine Fingered" song. Really.

THE Ka · 08-10-2003, 10:19 PM

if one thing's for sure the animated version has to be condemed!.... ( if it hasn't already been).. ok, once in a while i might watch shows like Spongebob Squarepants or ScoobyDoo, but at least these two shows actually have some CULTURE!!! the lotr movie from the 70's has to be a joke! and besides spongebob square pants is from a whole different type of world , he's from underwater! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> well, that really takes the cream filling out of the hostess! -The Ka

03-04-2003, 09:19 AM	#41
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Count me as someone who didn't mind the Bakshi film. Although flawed, I felt it was ambitious for such a limited budget. In my opinion, he deserves credit for that. I would rather see a film maker take some chances and fall short of the mark then to just repeat a successful formula derived by his or her predecessors.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

03-04-2003, 10:07 AM	#42
Dain Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Iron Hills Posts: 127	I must say, remembering these old version makes me thankful for the new ones, no matter what you think of them, they aren't nearly as bad as the animated ones... <P>I can't remember ever making it through Bakshi's movie. I tried a few times, but it was so hard to watch, and I think it put me to sleep or something, because my brain refuses to remember it...<P>The Hobbit and the RotK--were they by the same people? With all the singing and similar kiddie-cartoon style I thought they were. The Hobbit was at least watchable for something aimed at children, but RotK was so slow at times and the singing and...zzzzzzz...I was asleep again! (I often have that reaction to bad movies...) The songs in the Hobbit at least used Tokien's words--unfortunately the music was overdone.<P>Fifteen birds (bum bum bum) in five fir tress (zing zang zing) oh what shall we do (boom boom boom) with the funny little things? <P>And it's hard to read the songs now without their melodies coming into my heads. Grrr! And smaug looked like a cat... __________________ Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin's Bane.

03-04-2003, 05:30 PM	#43
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	I thought the LOTR was an attempt to make something at a time there was not the technology to support the concept. I remember seeing it in theatres and being disappointed.<P>I liked the animated Hobbit. My son who is nine and a total Tolkien fan thought it was cool that they put in the songs. We enjoyed the little snatches we caught in Jackson's movies, but would have liked to have heard entire songs. Does anyone know: is the Road Goes Ever On and On and the Lay of Luthien on the soundtrack CD? __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

03-04-2003, 06:29 PM	#44
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Everyone keeps talking about the songs in The Hobbit from the book. Did anyone notice any in Bakshi's film? I like how they did the one Frodo sang. "There is an inn a merry old inn beneath the old grey hill..."<BR>Did anyone notice any others? __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

03-04-2003, 06:53 PM	#45
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I really can't remember any others in that film, though it's been a while since I last saw it.<P>As for the soundtrack of the Jackson film, those songs are not on it.<P>H.C.<p>[ March 04, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ] __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

03-04-2003, 06:54 PM	#46
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	lol, Saucepan Man, now that you mention Glorfindel, here's a something that happened as me and my lil bro watched that part.<BR>someone says something about hearing a horse, they hide, an elf is shown riding towards them<BR>Me: Yay, Glorfindel!<BR>Aragorn jumps out and gasps<BR>Aragorn: Legolas!<BR>Me: NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>Brother: HAHAHAHA!<BR>Me: Grrrrrr... evil cross-eyed elf...<P>I guess I'm considered a Glorfindel fan. __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

03-05-2003, 04:06 PM	#47
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Blah... now I don't remember who posted about the way that they seem to have supressed memories about The Lord of the Rings, but it rings all too clear. I know I've seen it all because I watched it with my brother and we laughed about it, however now I can't remember what on Earth happened in it. It's possible that we stopped it short. Hmm... oh well. I seem to have lost my train of thought.<P>To whomever posted about the pot-bellied starving Gollum (sorry, once again, a memory lapse), technically that's accurate for starvation. Have you never seen the poor little children that they show on television that have big bellies? It's cause by starvation. When you have no food, you body burns fat, but if there is no fat to burn, it consumes muscles. The bellies bulge because there are no muscles left to hold the organs in place, so they "fall out" so to speak. __________________ peace

03-09-2003, 11:39 PM	#48
Chancellen the True Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 22	I understand the purist's view when it comes to the animated movies; but I'm an artist and a RPGer, and I see things a little differently. Lets start with The Hobbit. It was a made for TV movie and quite a bold move for a network to produce an animated feature. Besides from some BBC radio stuff, this was THE FIRST "view" of Tolkien's work that the general public saw. Another thing to remember is that it was made for children. You have to remember also that it was made in '77. Everything was hand drawn, frame by frame, NO COMPUTERS! The artwork was quite good. If you look in the credits, the voice actor's list is impressive. My favorite is Richard Boone (Paladin, Have Gun, Will Travel [great show]), as Smaug. The "christmas lights" around Elrond's head are ioun stones, magical stones that have powers. Middle Earth is a "fantasy" realm, so some artistic license must be given, especially with animation. When we read the books, we each have our own visual interpitation of what we read. No person's vision is completely right or wrong.<P>The animated LOTR movie has it's good points and it's bad points; but since most of the bad points have been stomped into the dirt, I'll try and make some good points. Before I get into what I like, I must say that I hate the butchering that was done. I understand that you have to leave out pieces of the story sometimes, but what was done here is inexcusable. I did not like the way they drew the main characters, both in style and in form. They really suffered when compared to some of the lush backrounds. I doubt that Aragorn was so ugly, but John Hurt did a great job with the voice. Everyone's facial expressions were hard to understand. Boromir's voice and size and strength was right on the money. In the book he was supposed to be different than Faramir, not the same. They outfitted Boromir strangely, he was a prince and it should have showed. I loved the way they portrayed the orcs. The animation over film effect was cool in the large battle scenes. The animation in general really improved as the movie went along. The Nazgul were well done as well. They were tall, dark and terrible. My only gripe was the lack of a pronounced crown on the witch king. The portrayal of Galadriel was the best part of the movie for me.<P>I guess I see fantasy different than most folks. I feel that the new movies missed on some points. I doubt it's the movie's fault, It's just that I see things differently than the people involved. The elves were way to plain, they should look half divine, not like a guy I saw on the bus the other day. I understand what most of you are saying about these movies; but remember, other people envision what they read differently than you and that a lot of hard work went into making those films. Don't forget, they were all hand drawn, no CGI.<P>Oh, I forgot to mention TROTK. There's not much to say, I can't even defend this one. The whip song is a sentamental favorite of mine. You just have to mention it to me and it starts all over again in my head. One small point, hearing Roddy McDowell recite Tolkien dramaticly was pretty cool. Thanks __________________ "Shall we mourn here deedless for ever, a shadow folk, mist-haunting, dropping vain tears in the thankless sea?" Feanor at Tirion upon Tuna

03-10-2003, 12:01 AM	#49
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> To whomever posted about the pot-bellied starving Gollum (sorry, once again, a memory lapse), technically that's accurate for starvation. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That was me, and it's alright. But starving people's bellies bulge out like that? I never really knew that. Come to think of it now, I have seen that on those charity commercials. Maybe that director decided to be correct by giving Gollum a pot belly, but I dont think he really did have one, even if he was sorry.<P>And about the bad points in the animated LotR, Chancellen the True pointed out a big reason for this. It was the technology during the period it was made. It was reletively primitive, and if you add that to the low budget, you're not going to get that great of a film. But considering those obstacles I thought they did pretty good. And who cares if Boromir looks like a viking. In the Hobbit, the elf king of Mirkwood looked like a blue freak that Dr. Suess drew or something. And so what if Aragorn looked like an indian. In the Hobbit Smaug looked like meow's would have been coming out of his mouth rather than fire. I'm not going to compare it to RotK because that, well, is a few (hundred) steps down from these two movies. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

08-10-2003, 08:07 PM	#50
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I suppose I'm getting sentimental in my old age (supposed to be a joke because I am a week short of 16... ha ha ), but I just love this thread. As much as I love ROTK. It makes me laugh. And laugh. And laugh. Sometimes I can stop laughing before my parents start talking about professional help!<P>I STILL haven't watched animated LOTR fully. I tried, really I did. I tried alone, I tried watching with friends... I got through Gandalf's introduction; "As the Last Alliance fell beneath the might of Sauron" (Sauron won?). I got through the thirty second blur of 17 years worth of seasons (finished wondering if I'd end up having a seizure). I just got to the part when Gandalf and Frodo go for the walk when I turned my head. I looked back, and there was this bucktoothed potato being pulled out of a bush. Then I heard "oh golly Mr Frodo, Oh yay!" and I realized it was supposed to be Sam. That's when I couldn't get any farther. I was really afraid of Sam... seriously, that was terrifying!<P>But I do appreciate that Bakshi was trying to accomplish the impossible in this film, although he failed miserably... Better than I could do (I think). Cheers, and all, please laugh at this highly amusing thread. If you haven't seen the movies, please do, they are worth seeing!<P>Fea __________________ peace

08-10-2003, 09:25 PM	#51
Socialist Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 13	When I was a kid I used to love "Frodo The Nine Fingered" song. Really. __________________ Knock Knock. Who's there? Weapons of Mass Destruction. So there you are!

08-10-2003, 10:19 PM	#52
THE Ka Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: As with the flygja Posts: 1,403	if one thing's for sure the animated version has to be condemed!.... ( if it hasn't already been).. ok, once in a while i might watch shows like <I>Spongebob Squarepants</I> or <I>ScoobyDoo</I>, but at least these two shows actually have some CULTURE!!! the lotr movie from the 70's has to be a joke! and besides spongebob square pants is from a whole different type of world , he's from underwater!<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> well, <I>that</I> really takes the cream filling out of the hostess! -<I>The Ka</I> __________________ Vinur, vinur skilur tú meg? Veitst tú ongan loyniveg? Hevur tú reikað líka sum eg, í endaleysu tokuni?