"Bad Guy" Trivia

[Mandos]

I will start off by giving a hint(s) about a bad guy. If you can guess who it is, you can give the next hint and the game continues.


my first hint is this: he was lord and sire of all the werewolves of Agband.

[Beren87]

Was it Carcharoth?

[hobbitlass]

Draugluin

[Mandos]

yes hobbitlass. Carcaroth was his son

your turn

[Beren87]

*bumps topic to top* Care to go hobbitlass? I assume you simply forgot about this topic.

[hobbitlass]

So sorry, I did forget. First clue, this person was once good.

[Ravnmyst]

Saruman

[Pallando B.C]

That could be alot of people; maybe Sméagol

[hobbitlass]

I didn't want to give it away so soon. smilies/wink.gif
Second clue: this person has always been in service to someone(s).

[Beren87]

Wormtongue? I know, folly guessing this early but oh well.

[hobbitlass]

No, it was not folly, it was correct. Your turn.

[Beren87]

Ahh, Lovely! Who knew?

1.I helped lead many people to a far away place.

[Pallando B.C]

Fëanor, if you consider him a 'Bad Guy'

[Beren87]

You would get it on the first guess Pallando.

[Pallando B.C]

Good to know, Beren.

Ok, first clue: I became mighty in a Hidden Rock

[the real findorfin]

Maeglin, he grew up in Gondolin?

[Pallando B.C]

Well done, Your Turn!

[elven maiden Earwen]

pallando b.c. its your turn smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Pallando B.C]

Ah, I don't think so.

the real findorfin answered my question correctly so it is their turn. smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif !!

[elven maiden Earwen]

its been more than 10 days so i'll go.

Easy but: I killed one who was fair.

[Pallando B.C]

If it's Túrin, he's not a bad guy.

[elven maiden Earwen]

No I definitly don't think Turin is a bad guy os thats not the answer.
**Hint**:It has to do with the last bad guy.

[the real findorfin]

Eol killed Aredhel, so it would be the dark elf himself?

And I wont forget about the topic this time, if I do PM me)

[elven maiden Earwen]

the real findorfin got it right.!!YAY!!Good job!

[the real findorfin]

ok,

I wait alone, in places old, with ancient kings, increasing cold. Usurper and mage am i, but i will never ever 'die'.

Whose that then?

[Gil-Galad]

um a barrow wight i would guess?

[the real findorfin]

yep, Gil-Galad is correct!

[Gil-Galad]

ok well here i go


the belongings of the bearers he brought to the towering shadow from the tower of the guarded pass

[ February 25, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[elven maiden Earwen]

Gorbag

[elven maiden Earwen]

or Shagrat

[Gil-Galad]

its shagrat good work your turn

[elven maiden Earwen]

My brother is one who is great.

[Tar-Palantir]

Melkor

[Gil-Galad]

Elronds bro or Elrond?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Elrond or Elros? Isn't this 'bad guy' trivia?

[Beren87]

My brother is one who is great.

That fits way too many people, your really going to have to narrow it down.

[elven maiden Earwen]

I am stuck in the night

[alaklondewen]

Eol?

[elven maiden Earwen]

nope

[Meoshi]

That would be Melkor again, if present tense.

[elven maiden Earwen]

yup you are correct.
Sorry i couldnt think of anything.

[Tar-Palantir]

Who is correct?

[Beren87]

That's odd...apparently she was talking to Meoshi. But you answered Melkor first, and that's the correct answer.

[elven maiden Earwen]

o T-P sorry your correct . I didnt see your post. SO so sorry! smilies/frown.gif smilies/frown.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

It's all good in the hood... smilies/biggrin.gif


I was an ally of the brother,
of 'one who was great' smilies/wink.gif

I was a lover of the helper,
of one who lost to fate

I was a harborer of the servant,
of one who killed with a break


Who could I be? Answer each piece for fun, if you feel like it. smilies/smile.gif

[ March 02, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[Gil-Galad]

Sauron i would thinks

[Tar-Palantir]

No it is not Sauron, did he ever have a lover? Try again! smilies/smile.gif

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

I was going to say Smeagol, but then I saw the lover part...

Turin? No wait, he wasn't really a bad guy...or was it Brandir?

[Tar-Palantir]

Nope. This guy was definitely a 'bad guy' but was also a human.

[Gil-Galad]

then should it not count if its not a bad guy?

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it Brodda, the Easterling?

He was an ally of Morgoth, Manwe's brother, and he was married to Aerin, who helped Turin's mother, Morwen. Not sure how he fits into the last verse, though.

[Tar-Palantir]

Gil-Galad, this is 'Bad Guy' trivia, so it has to be a bad guy.

TheSaucepanMan is right!

The last clue:
I was a harborer of the servant,
of one who killed with a break

The servant is Sador, the servant of Hurin's family and friend of Turin, who lived in the house of Brodda. Turin slew Brodda by breaking his neck.
(Unfinished Tales)

So it's your turn TSM. smilies/smile.gif

[ March 02, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[Gil-Galad]

i know that so if its not a bad guy does it count! smilies/mad.gif smilies/mad.gif smilies/mad.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

Don't get all mad at me like that Gil-Galad, no one is getting mad at you. I don't know what you mean. Can you please be a little clearer? Does what count?

[The Saucepan Man]

OK. This one's fairly easy, I think (and yes it's definately a "bad guy"):

I stand by a river whispering my song
And you may think that I'm weeping
But rest a while and it won't be long
Before your mine while you're sleeping.

Who am I?

[Tar-Palantir]

Why, that would be Old Man Willow, me thinks.

[Gil-Galad]

i meant if its not a bad guy like Turin or Sam will it count and we proceed from that? or will the person have to start a new one but with a bad guy

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
That is correct, 'tis Old Man Willow!

Your go, Tar-Palantir. smilies/smile.gif

[Beren87]

Gil-Galad, I think I understand what your trying to say, and the answer would be that you have to create a new one with a bad guy.

[Tar-Palantir]

Who I am is not known
save for ancestors great
my death is not recorded
but in life I served hate
Not the sword, axe or bow
was my weapon of choice
my brand of strength
wise council, strong voice

[ March 04, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[Beren87]

Ermm...The Mouth of Sauron?

[Tar-Palantir]

Yes Beren, have a ale on me! (but don't tell your mom smilies/wink.gif).

[Beren87]

Oh my parents let me drink, 'tis no problem in the slightest.

What I once was
is one of that I hate
The pure-ness burns
I'm bound to my fate
So I keep tracking
stomach filled by what I ate!

lol, that last line I just put in there because it rhymes... This character was both bad and good in a way.

[Lord Elessar]

Gotta be Sméagol

since Gollum didn't rationalize!!!

[Beren87]

Sméagol would be the...err..hobbit...no...thing! I was looking for.

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

AAH! I'm always too late! LOL!
Post soon, Elessar!

[Lord Elessar]

I reluinqish my turn! smilies/cool.gif

i'll just watch and answer for a while smilies/wink.gif

? wait a sec now i have read it a second time it should be Gollum and not Sméagol, since Sméagol is a good guy.

well i guess my thoughts counted as good enough

smilies/smile.gif

[ March 05, 2003: Message edited by: Lord Elessar ]

[Gil-Galad]

then i shall go


in the EAST i once lived though i am not orc, in a age ago i lived yet i am not dead some call me a sorcreor who serves the darkness though i am deep with evil to serve my lord even when he not here...yet

[ March 06, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[Beren87]

Elessar, either way your right, they're the same person smilies/wink.gif

Hmm...and to the next question, The Witch-King of Angmar?

[Lord Elessar]

I think this person actually has no name given him,but he calls himself Mouth of Sauron!

as for Sméagol/Gollum, they are the same but i wouldn't be surprised if they are considered as 2 so i tried to stay on the save side!

[Gil-Galad]

neither need a hint?

[The Saucepan Man]

Is it Sauron himself?

[Tar-Palantir]

I'll guess Gothmog
'cuz I really don't know
It sure would help me
to get a hint though...

[Gil-Galad]

think east and he WAS man

[Tar-Palantir]

I'll say then Khamûl
He was a man
He was also from the East
probably had a good tan...

[Gil-Galad]

yes yo uare correct good work your turn

[Tar-Palantir]

Thanks Gil-Galad.

Rider on the storm

Rider on the storm

This land became my home

But all were overthrown

Like a dog who wants a bone

As a captive brought alone

Rider on the storm




There's a killer on the seas

His brain is squirmin' with disease

He took a holiday

And wrought the worst of days

If ya give this man a ride

Sweet memory will die

Killer on the seas, yeah


Can anyone make sense of this?? I need more than just a name. smilies/cool.gif

[ March 09, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

[Estanesse]

Is it Sauron

Sauron was captured by Ar-Pharazon and brought to Numenor.
But this would later proved to be the downfall of Numenor.
Because Sauron corrupted the hearts of most people from Numenor.
And brought them to war with the Valar

[Tar-Palantir]

Yes Estanesse, it's your turn. smilies/smile.gif

[Estanesse]

Yho my turn
Nice verse Tar-Palantir, I’m afraid mine is a bit simplistic compared with yours smilies/biggrin.gif

Some of My deeds are called evil
Night I hate day I love

[Horse-Maiden of the Shire]

Oh my...is my brain blank today or what?
Erm, horrible guess I know but Galadriel?
Feanor? Because it doesnt seem like a SUPER evil guy because it only says SOME of my deeds are evil.

[Estanesse]

No, sorry, it is not Feanor or Galadriel. Try again!

[Pallando B.C]

Húrin?

[Estanesse]

No, it's not Hurin

[Gil-Galad]

rememeber it has to be evil

is it Melkor with the doors of night where he was trapped?

[Estanesse]

Nope

Hint
I’m a son of my father
smilies/evil.gif

[Tar-Palantir]

Maeglin

[Estanesse]

Nope

But you’re getting close

[Gil-Galad]

Anacalgon the black (sorry can't spell)

[Gil-Galad]

or Glaurang father of the dragons becasue Melkor created him so he is kinda liek a son of Melkor

[Estanesse]

No sorry
It’s not a dragon

[Malva Headstrong]

Maedhros maybe?

[Estanesse]

No but you’re getting closer

[Malva Headstrong]

Maglor?

[Gil-Galad]

Carathintir the Dark (something like that but i can't spell right)

[elven maiden Earwen]

can we have a hint please???????????

[Gil-Galad]

since its been ten days from estanees last post on thsi thread shall i srat another one?


I am man of the east, great ruler of the corsairs thoguh the second sun i lived trough fighting for the Darks lords regin of power, i am the oldest of the lords who sought for power and revenge aganest Gondor and the numernorens

[elven maiden Earwen]

Khumul

[Gil-Galad]

nope

Hint: its no ringwraith!

[Beren87]

Castamir maybe?

[Annunfuiniel]

"...though the second sun I lived..."? Does that imply to the Second Age? Then it could be either Fuinur or Herumor.

[Gil-Galad]

think the oldest and anfuniel your so close

spo choose one of those quick! i will only let two people guess now that annufinel has it so close

[ March 23, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[Tar-Palantir]

The mouth of Sauron

[Gil-Galad]

nope i sadi annunfineil had oen of them so chsoe form those!

[elven maiden Earwen]

herumor

[Pallando B.C]

nope i sadi annunfineil had oen of them so chsoe form those!

WHAT? smilies/eek.gif

From what I gathered reading that, I think you meant that one of Annunfuiniel's guesses was correct, and that you could choose from either of them.

Usually, if someone says the right answer, whether it be with two guesses at the same time or one hundred, (although that would be cheating smilies/wink.gif), you give it to them.

...and please remember to spell correctly. It is embarrising to look at, I can't imagine what you must fell like. If you can't find the time to even spell correctly, maybe this site is not for you, Gil-galad.

[ March 25, 2003: Message edited by: Pallando B.C ]

[Tinuviel the Nightingale]

Um Fuinur?

[Gil-Galad]

well tinuveil has it it was fuinur and Pallando i resent that remark so what i'm not a good speller on computer? everyone has to learn some day? smilies/mad.gif smilies/mad.gif smilies/evil.gif smilies/mad.gif smilies/mad.gif

also if you go with that annufiniel (whatever) has it then!

[ March 26, 2003: Message edited by: Gil-Galad ]

[Beren87]

everyone has to learn some day?

Start today. What's the use in participating in these games if no one has any idea what your saying?

[Annunfuiniel]

smilies/biggrin.gif I have noticed quite a few people have difficulties in spelling my name, so please just call me Annun! smilies/biggrin.gif Ok, that was totally off the topic, please carry on Tinuviel, I don't mind loosing this turn. smilies/smile.gif

[Pallando B.C]

Surely you would know how to spell such words as: said, from and like. It was spelled wrong because of laziness, I think. Like Dry Bones said, learn how to spell as soon as possible please.

Sorry, you can continue the game now.

[Gil-Galad]

it was not by laziness it was by rushing through

[Tinuviel the Nightingale]

Okay this ones pretty easy and obvious:

I am the first of the evil
The biggest of the bad
In the end I got banished
To a place dark and sad

Bad rhyme yeh, but my brain is frozen at the moment (weekends)

[Pallando B.C]

I like it!

Melkor

[Tinuviel the Nightingale]

Clap clap for Pallando B.C! smilies/biggrin.gif
You got it right and thankyou for tollerating my rhyme. smilies/smile.gif
*Tinuviel bestows Pallando with a blessing*

[Pallando B.C]

Thanking You for the blessing.

I'm going to go with the original form of questioning and give clues, not a rhyme.

I enslaved one who's weaponary was preserved in Westernesse

[Gil-Galad]

Sauron's ring because it enslaved isildur and his weapons, like Elendils, were kept by elrond

[Pallando B.C]

Nope.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Very unfounded guess, since I haven't ventured to that part of "Tolkien-land" for a while, but could it be Ar-Pharazon? He enslaved Sauron (for a time) in Numenor (Westernesse) so it might be possible that Sauron's weapons were kept there. *hopeful grin*

[Pallando B.C]

Very good try Sophia, but that's not it.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Could we have a clue on this one Pallando? I'm interesed to know the answer... smilies/tongue.gif

-Sophia

[Pallando B.C]

Consult Unfinished Tales.

[elven maiden Earwen]

Tevildo, or Melkor?

[Annunfuiniel]

Lorgan, (some sort of) chieftain of the Easterlings. He enslaved Tuor whose axe was treasured in Numenor.

[Pallando B.C]

Lorgan it is!

[Kain Snowbrace]

hey how goes it.

[Annunfuiniel]

Ok, this goes cryptic again but it's dead easy as you can see:

In this story Cain, the first of the two,
got himself slain.
It's said that his slayer
cut off his head
and - as if that wasn't enough -
replaced it with Nana's head.
Now I'm confused: who slayed
and whom?

[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[Gil-Galad]

i have a feeling its Melkor?

[Estanesse]

Is it Azog

[Gil-Galad]

Glaurang or Gothmog?

[Annunfuiniel]

Sorry 'bout the delay...
I don't see the right answer yet so keep on guessing! smilies/smile.gif I edited all the non-relevant stuff from the clue to make it clearer. Sorry it's still so stupid, it really wasn't my day back then... smilies/rolleyes.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

It's not stupid at all. I like the cryptic ones, Annunfuiniel. smilies/smile.gif

Not too sure how this works, but cutting off Cain's head (C) and replacing it with Nana's head (N), I get Nain.

So is it Nain of the Iron Hills (the slain) and Azog the Goblin King (his slayer)?

Edit: Mind you, Azog has already been guessed, so might it instead be Nain I and his slayer, the Balrog of Moria?

[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Annunfuiniel]

Edit: Mind you, Azog has already been guessed, so might it instead be Nain I and his slayer, the Balrog of Moria?

Yes, yes, yes! smilies/biggrin.gif
I hope it makes sense now... Please proceed Saucepan Man! smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank you. smilies/smile.gif

While we're in cryptic mood ...

Take a drink, but not initially going home tonight. One of Thorin's company follows. He loses nothing but finds the first of the Nine. I have to say that this is a sad howler.

smilies/tongue.gif

[Gil-Galad]

Gandalf with knowign Bilbo has a magic ring or Bilbo finding the ring from Gollum?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, in keeping with the title of the thread, this is definately one of the Bad Guys.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Have anything to do with Thror's return to Moria (followed by Balin one of Thorin's company...) in which case the bad guy involved could be the Necromancer, or perhaps the Witch King (first of the Nine?)

Sophia

[Annunfuiniel]

I'm totally stumped and jumping on the walls here! But I just have to take a guess and say Carcharoth...

[The Saucepan Man]

No correct answer yet. But, Annunfuiniel, you are sooooooo close. smilies/smile.gif

Great new avatar, by the way. smilies/cool.gif

[ April 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

[Annunfuiniel]

Thanks Saucepan! smilies/cool.gif smilies/wink.gif
How about another "howler" then ie. Draugluin? smilies/confused.gif
Take a drink, but not initially going home tonight. - Draug(ht)?
One of Thorin's company follows. - -uin>>Oin??
He loses nothing but finds the first of the Nine. - the 'L' in the middle as in Lord of the Nazgul?
A biiiiit far fetched... *grin*

[The Saucepan Man]

No, not far-fetched at all, Annunfuiniel. In fact, very near-fetched, as it is the correct answer. smilies/tongue.gif You seem to have a talent for guessing my attempts at cryptic clues. smilies/smile.gif

Take a drink, but not initially going home tonight. - This was indeed "Draught" without "ght", the initial letters of "going home tonight"

One of Thorin's company follows. He loses nothing but finds the first of the Nine. - The member of Thorin's company that I had in mind was Gloin, who loses "o" (nothing) but gains "u", the first letter of Ulairi, another name for the Nazgul, giving "gluin".

But them together, and you get Draugluin.

And sad howler? Well, the meaning of Draugluin is "blue wolf". smilies/tongue.gif

Well done. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Good heavens! *Sophia shakes her head* you two are way beyond me smilies/wink.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

lol So I was sort of half way there... I was quite certain it was Draugluin but I just couldn't make it work properly, way too devious for me. Yet again, after your explanations Saucepan, it makes perfect sense. smilies/smile.gif
Uh-oh, another cryptic one coming up! smilies/wink.gif

Take the Ring! You, make the long story short and you'll gain the third place from its rightful owner. And Nienna will water the lowered hill with her tears. Could it be used as a hide?

[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, Annun, I give up.

I definately need a hint on this one ... smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Yes, Annun, this is what a certain someone might call a "nassssty poser". Hint hint! smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

smilies/biggrin.gif Finally I have stumped ye! *jumps up and down and down and up*
Ehem, sorry about that...

Ok: The last sentence is a (straightforward?) clue to this bad guy, to its bearing, the others make up a cryptic clue. The second sentence hints to one letter only.

Hope those help. smilies/smile.gif
~Annun

[Gil-Galad]

i think it has soemthing to do with when Ungoliant and Melkor destoyed teh trees and Nienna cryed all of the darkness away from a hill. tell me if i'm on the right track?

[Gil-Galad]

am i on right track?!

[Annunfuiniel]

Sorry, Gil-Galad for not responding earlier... And sorry again, but you're not on the right track. smilies/tongue.gif smilies/wink.gif
Need more clues?
~Annun

[Gil-Galad]

i kept thinking the ring is the ring of doom, and it has somethign to do with the darkening

[Annunfuiniel]

No, the ring in question is no particular Ring (I altered the first sentence slightly, take a look at it now).

Hint: There are wings involved...

smilies/smile.gifAnnun

[The Saucepan Man]

Arrgghh! This answer occurred to me right at the outset, but I couldn't see how it worked. The cloud has now lifted! smilies/mad.gif smilies/rolleyes.gif

Take the Ring! = Thering
You, make the long story short and you'll gain the third place from its rightful owner: Shorten "the" to "th" and add the third letter of "you" = Thuring
And Nienna will water the lowered hill with her tears. = Shorten "hill" to "hil" and water it = wethil
Could it be used as a hide? = Thuringwethil's skin was used by Luthien to disguise herself.

So the answer is Thuringwethil

Excellent one, Annun. smilies/smile.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Phew, I began to loose hope already... smilies/wink.gif
*bows* Saucepan Man, Excellent job! And the stage is all yours. smilies/smile.gif

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, my mind is not in cryptic mood today, so back to a straightforward trivia question:

How many varieties of Troll are mentioned by JRRT in connection with Middle Earth, and what are they?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Six, I believe.

Cave-trolls (Met in Moria)
Hill-trolls (These chopped Aragorn's grampa)
Stone-trolls (Bilbo's trolls? I don't know for sure, but I'm fairly certain I've heard them mentioned)
Mountain-trolls (Weilders of Grond)
Snow-Trolls (This one I had to look up, Helm Hammerhand was compared to one, we never actually meet one)
Olog-hai (Bred by Sauron)

? Did I miss any?

[The Saucepan Man]

No, you didn't miss any (as far as I know), so, yes, you are correct. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

When doom approaches the halls of silent kings
the great waves follow the promised words of old.

[Gil-Galad]

does it have somethign to do with Mandos? since he is the doommans of the Valar and he predicted the downfall of Beleriand and his halls have evrything that died in it?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope smilies/evil.gif.

Sophia

[Eruanna]

I'm thinking of Glaurung the dragon, who settled in the Halls of Finrod Felagund. And good old Turin Turambar~ the Master of Doom, who killed him.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope, still not what I'm looking for. The first line is a near direct (slightly adapted) quote from the source, and the second line hints at the word itself.

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*bump* Saucepan? I thought you'd get this in fifteen seconds... smilies/tongue.gif Where all you interpreters of vaguely non-straightforward clues?

[The Saucepan Man]

Sorry. Not been on much in the last few days. smilies/frown.gif

It's the Oath-breakers. smilies/wink.gif

When doom approaches the halls of silent kings: This presumably refers to Aragorn fulfilling the prophecy of Malbeth the Seer and entering the Paths of the Dead to hold the Dead Kings to their oath.

The great waves follow the promised words of old: Breakers (great waves) following oath (promised words of old).

smilies/cool.gif smilies/tongue.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

*bows* Thank you! smilies/smile.gif I was beginning to think I'd actually written a difficult question smilies/wink.gif.

smilies/biggrin.gif Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

I was beginning to think I'd actually written a difficult question

Since when did you ever ask any easy ones, Sophia? smilies/wink.gif

Who foretold that more would be heading north?

[Gil-Galad]

i doubt my anwser, Malbeth or Arvedui

[The Saucepan Man]

You are correct to doubt your answer, Gil-Galad. smilies/evil.gif smilies/wink.gif

[Gil-Galad]

smilies/frown.gif smilies/frown.gif smilies/mad.gif smilies/eek.gif smilies/frown.gif smilies/frown.gif smilies/frown.gif

[Finwe]

Saruman?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Bill Ferny, either him or his Squint eyed companion.

[The Saucepan Man]

Indeed, it was the squint-eyed southerner that I had in mind. Very well done, Sophia. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Thanks Saucepans smilies/biggrin.gif. It came to me in a flash... LOL. I'll be back with you as soon as I have time to think of a decent question.

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

In Shadow and old Memory I stalk
The unwary are my prey.
Beside the sleepless waters,
under the shadows of old mountains,
Those I find are unremembered
and their children love the darkness.

[Lasgalen]

Shelob feasting on orcs?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

nope smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lasgalen]

Melkor preying on the Avari?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

After long and thoughtful consideration, I've decided to accept this. smilies/smile.gif All theories of orc origin aside, there was certainly an unknown hunter that stalked the Quendi at Cuivienen. I don't know that it was necessarily Melkor, but you got the idea, Lasgalen. The floor is yours.

Sophia

[Lasgalen]

Who lived where the shadows 'were thickest and deepest'? (sorry I can't make a poem out of my question.)

[The Saucepan Man]

Complete guess, as I haven't got my books to hand, but is it Ungoliant?

[Gil-Galad]

sauceman is probaly right but i'll try to guess Shelob smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lasgalen]

Ungoliant is correct.

[The Saucepan Man]

Thank you Lasgalen. smilies/smile.gif

Take a counsellor
Of most treacherous mind,
And rob him of language
My kindred to find.

Great treasures I gained
From those who like such things,
And on my death they passed
To the fathers of the Eorlings

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Take a counsellor
Of most treacherous mind, - Wormtongue
And rob him of language - Minus Tongue
My kindred to find. -Worm

Great treasures I gained
From those who like such things,
And on my death they passed
To the fathers of the Eorlings - Killed by Fram son of Frumgar


Scatha the Worm of course!

Sophia

[The Saucepan Man]

A perfect answer, Sophia. smilies/smile.gif

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

This is terribly easy, but I'm attempting to make about four riddles at the moment, so it's the best I can do.

We are roughened,
followed by a breath,
moved by the last of the music,
where forever it echoes.

[Gil-Galad]

i ahev a starneg feelign it has soemthign to do with when Frodo and the Hobbits were in the Barrow-Wights tomb, and Tom came singign to save htem

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Your strong feeling leads you very much astray, Gil-Galad smilies/wink.gif.

Sophia

[Lasgalen]

Melkor creating the orcs?

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

No. When working out a riddle, or clue of this type, it helps you to show how you came to that answer, cause then I could say: "No, your answer's wrong, but here's what you're right about." It helps me to know too, if people are getting close, so I can give better hints if nobody guesses.

[Gil-Galad]

could it be abotu the Balrogs when Melkor cried and they came, you can always here his cry in the mountains

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Still no, Gil-galad, but thanks for showing me how you got the answer you did smilies/smile.gif

Sophia

[Estanesse]

Black Númenóreans

They attacked Gondor followed by a great plague
The last part of the great music of the Ainur did go about men ruling ME

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Nope, but getting slightly warmer.

[Finwe]

Corsairs of Umbar? I'm trying to name all of the "bad guys" related to the Black Numenoreans.

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Yes, that is it Finwe, but so disappointing that you didn't use my clues, I was so proud of them. smilies/wink.gif

We are roughened = Coarse (which sounds like Cors)
followed by a breath = air (Corsair)
Moved by the last of the music (of the Ainur)
Where forever it echoes = in water, which moves ships.

Carry on, Finwe.

Sophia

[Sophia the Thunder Mistress]

Finwe? *bump*

[Finwe]

Sorry! I had forgotten entirely about this thread!

We are the festival,
where rabbits romp,
We are the little ones,
Rather than the large.
We were deceived,
By the one who deceives,
We named the others,
After their animals' food.

[Lasgalen]

The Easterlings in Dor-Lomin?

[Finwe]

Yes.

[The Saucepan Man]

Lasgalen, when answering riddles such as this, you should give an explanation of how you arrived at the answer. This prevents "lucky guesses" and it is also interesting for those of us who may have puzzled over the riddle to see how it works. (It also gives the "riddler" a sense of satisfaction. smilies/wink.gif )

So, please elaborate ... smilies/smile.gif

[Lasgalen]

The festival (with bunnies) is Easter.
The animal food thing is Straw Heads.

Deep underground I lie.
Some question whether or not I can fly.
I was someone's bane.
Can you give my name?

(Ok, not very good poetry)

[elven maiden Earwen]

Deep underground I lie.-
He lived underground untill be was awoken by dwarves mining for Mithril
Some question whether or not I can fly.-
the long debate of whether balrogs havve wings or not.
I was someone's bane.-
Durin's Bane
Can you give my name?-
A balrog

[Lasgalen]

Correct. smilies/smile.gif

[elven maiden Earwen]

Ok this is probely very easy.

Messenger I am
I came to-and fro from Angband
Form was robbed from me
Unknown are the origins of thee

[Beren87]

Thuringwethil? (wow I love vampires)

[elven maiden Earwen]

Good job! smilies/biggrin.gif

[Beren87]

Mentioned once by an old dude,
to the young, perhaps falsitude
'Twas really just a story
but I still might be true
Who know what I really am?
coming from around Methrim

[Gil-Galad]

too me i think its is eiether Malbeth the Seer or Beor the old

[Lyra Greenleaf]

*bump*

[King_Elendil]

The King of the Dead Men of Dunharrow?

[Beren87]

Noone has said it yet. Well, actually, I don't remember the answer to the riddle right now, but I know none of those are it. I'll give a clue after a few more guesses.

[Finwe]

An Ice-Man from the wastes of the north?

[Beren87]

*sigh* I'm just going to give this one up to anyone who wants to go, as I can't answer my own riddle. =P

Free Thread.

[Gil-Galad]

i'l ltake it then

on a bookmark i am noticed as a lizard, a foul creature, but when i realize my wrongs, smoke goes west then east then gone! who am i

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

Err, Smaug? (Thinking 'evil lizard'; realising wrongs at death, which is why it 'went away')

[Gil-Galad]

nope

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

It's Saruman. The bookmark has a little lizard motif-thing on it.

[Gil-Galad]

yoru getting closer

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Oh, so then do you mean Wormtongue?

[Gil-Galad]

umm explain please

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Well, I'm assuming that the Wormtongue bookmark has the little lizard thing on it. When Wormtongue considers leaving Saruman, Saruman reminds him and tells all the hobbits gathered around that Wormtongue killed Lotho, even though Grima denies it at first. It is at this time that he "realizes his wrong". He kills Saruman, and the grey mist that rises from Saruman's body "turns West then East then gone".

[Gil-Galad]

good and remember when anwsering a question, don't just say words, things etc. you ahev too explain them

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Okay, I'll remember that. Next one:

In life I flew from here to there,
A messenger of great despair.
Little is known of my demise,
But after death I became a disguise.
Flitting secretly to and fro,
I was a thing of ghastly shadow.

This one is rather cryptic. Good luck!

[Finwe]

It is Thuringwethil. She was a messenger of Morgoth, and she was killed by Luthien and her bat-hame was used by the latter to get into Angband.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Yes, Finwe, you're correct. I realized after I posted the question that Thuringwethil had been used already, but I decided to leave it. So now it's your turn...

[Finwe]

What animal walked that had actually died before?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Draugluin.
He was a wolf servant of Sauron, and after he was slain by Huan, Beren used his pelt as a disguise.

[Finwe]

Good one! Your go.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

thanks smilies/wink.gif
It took me a while to come up with something, and I'm afraid this will be terribly easy and childish, I'm so sorry smilies/frown.gif

Don't look too closely
at the first of its kind
'cause before you know it
you are turning blind

Surely the greatest
not able to fly
along came a downer
who caused him to die.

[Finwe]

Glaurung?

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Glaurung it is smilies/biggrin.gif
your turn smilies/wink.gif

[Finwe]

Eyes of this kind,
Can sometimes enchant.
Not sure of all,
But one definitely so.
Some traverse,
the airy paths,
Some traverse,
the earthen paths,
What are these
slippery, slimy,
not slippery, not slimy,
All together,
very not likeables,
creatures?

Now try to get that!

[Gil-Galad]

soem reason, i think Shelob

[Finwe]

Nope. Wrong race of evil creatures.

[Voralphion]

Dragons?

[Gil-Galad]

werewolves? or wolves basicaly

[Finwe]

Voralphion got it.

[Voralphion]

This isn't that good but:

I was lord of a host, or was it just three
I killed two of the kings that came over the sea
In Gondolin's fall I met my fate
Where I was killed by an elf lord with all of his hate.

[Gwaihir the Windlord]

The obvious answer regarding the last part would be Gothmog, the Uruloki; I'm not entirely sure what you mean about kings though... Sauron killed two kings, but the rest of it doesn't fit him.

[Voralphion]

The correct answer is Gothmog you are right Gwaihir. The first line was supposed to refer to the original host of balrogs, that was reduced to just seven or three. The line about the kings was the two high kings of the Noldor that Gothmog killed, Feanor and Fingon. I'm sorry the clue wasn't very good.

[ September 01, 2003: Message edited by: Voralphion ]

[ September 01, 2003: Message edited by: Voralphion ]

[Gil-Galad]

Causer of the bane of the king of the horse


Gil-Galad

[Evisse the Blue]

the Witch King?

[Gil-Galad]

sure why not...

[Gil-Galad]

Evisse?

[Evisse the Blue]

Sorry, I forgot about this.
1st hint:
My breath is death

[alquadae]

Glaurunga

[Arestevana]

Or Smaug?

[Beren87]

Or, metaphorically, the Nazgul.

[Tinuviel Took]

Why metaphoricly? Exposed to a lot of black breath you will die unless tended by the most skilled of healers.

[Evisse the Blue]

Arestevana has it - it was Smaug.