Quotes in other languages

[LePetitChoux]

Basicaly, you find a quote and translate it literally into another language. Not from the book in, say, german, but you must translate it yourself. Any language will do, but if they use a different alphabet (eg. Cyrillic) then try to use latin letters for the sounds in the other alphabet. Dead languages also count. I'll start with a little latin:
transire non potes. secreti ignises servus sum, tractatus flammae Arnores.transire non potes.
I did use a dictinary, yes. smilies/smile.gif

[Orodoliel]

Is it Gandalf? it seems to be what he says to the Balrog about him being the wielder of the Flame of Arnor, and you shall not pass. I don't have my book so I can't look it up smilies/frown.gif

[Orodoliel]

I have found my book. Is it :

"You cannot pass. I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass."

[LePetitChoux]

Yes. I guess the Arnores gave it away...

[Orodoliel]

Someone else can take my turn if they like...

I don't really have time to make up a Quote right now.

[HerenIstarion]

I think I'll take a turn if nobody minds :)

iyo da ara iyo ra, RvTis ukeTesi ra iqneboda, cxovrobda miwis qveS Tavis soroSi hobiti. es saZageli, WuWyiani, nestiani soro ki ar iyo, sadac yovel kunWulSi nestis Wiebi daZvreba; arc mSrali, qviSiani, SiSveli samyofi, sadac arc dasajdomia sadme da arc saWmeli raime. ara, soro hobitisa gaxldaT da keTilmowyobili sacxovrisi iyo.

[LePetitChoux]

is that georgian? the only georgian i know, i'm afraid is maimuna gerishvili (from a film called Kin Dza Dza)
I can understand hobiti. smilies/wink.gif

[ November 25, 2002: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ]

[HerenIstarion]

I can provide you with a clue

keTilmowyobili means comfortable, and for the sake of the structural entity, was substituted to the word "comfort" in original text

[Melephelwen]

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I have absolutely no idea, except that it is about Hobbits. smilies/confused.gif

[HerenIstarion]

hehe

soro is "hole"

[Aramacil]

Looking at the hints you have given it probably is:
In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.

[HerenIstarion]

Yes, sir!

[Melephelwen]

Since nobody else have done it, I will go for one!

"Velkommen Gimli søn af Glóin! Det er lang virkelig siden vi så en af Dúrins folk i Caras Galadhon. Men i dag vi har brudt vores lange lov. Må det være et tegn at selvom den verden er nu mørkere bedre dage er ved hånden, og at venskab skal være fornyet mellem vore folk."

Auch, the grammar! smilies/tongue.gif

[Guinevere]

"Welcome Gimli son of Gloin! It is long indeed since we saw one of Durin`s folk in Caras Galadhon. But today we have broken our long law. May it be a sign that though the world is now dark better days are at hand , and that friendship shall be renewed between our peoples" (Celeborn to Gimli ) (Was that Danish or Swedish?)


Ok. Here is some quote in German. (If that should be too easy, I`ll try Swiss-German dialect next time...)

Aber es wird gesagt: "Misch Dich nicht in die Angelegenheiten der Zauberer ein, weil sie spitzfindig sind und rasch erzürnt". Die Wahl ist Dein: zu gehen oder zu warten.

[HerenIstarion]

Gildor to Frodo:

Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. The choice is yours: to go or wait.

[Guinevere]

Ganz richtig ! your turn! (I wonder what more languages will turn up here...) smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

smilies/rolleyes.gif My goodness, I`ve no idea. The only thing I know is that "da" means yes. And does pony mean pony or just looks like it? (I know one Barrowdown-member who is Russian, that is Akhtene, but I`ve met her only in "books")

[Guinevere]

Thank you for the hint!!
I think I can guess where it MIGHT be... With the help of a (nearly useless and most irritating)language-guide for tourists I found out further that "mi" is we and "vi" is you, and "nadejde" something like hope ? And "ix plana"= their plan ? Well, I`ll have a try:

"Yes", said Strider reluctantly, "you had better do that. I am afraid we shall have to try to get one pony at least. But so ends all hope of starting early, and slipping away quietly! We might as well have blown a horn to announce our departure. That was part of their plan, no doubt."
(Strider to Butterbur in the morning after the attack of the Nazgûls in the prancing Pony)

Could it be that ?

Btw, don`t you use any quotation marks in Russian?

[ December 07, 2002: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[Guinevere]

OK, shall I try Swiss dialect this time ?(Georgian was just as exotic to most people I guess! And French would be too easy for you, HerenIstarion, for I`ve noticed you speak French as well! You really seem to be a multi-talent in languages! smilies/smile.gif )

"Elbe u Drache!" säg i zuenem. "Chabis u Härdöpfel si besser für di u mi. Misch di nid i`d Affäre vo dine Obere, oder du landisch i Schwirigkeite wo z`gross si für di"

[HerenIstarion]

Elbe u Drache!" säg i zuenem. "Chabis u Härdöpfel si besser für di u mi. Misch di nid i`d Affäre vo dine Obere, oder du landisch i Schwirigkeite wo z`gross si für di"

:)

it's not so hard, it is just Gaffer to Sam:

Elves and Dragons’ I says to him. ‘Cabbages and potatoes are better for me and you. Don’t go getting mixed up in the business of your betters, or you’ll land in trouble too big for you

[Guinevere]

Exactly! I guess the "Elves and dragons" gave it away... smilies/tongue.gif Your turn!

[HerenIstarion]

'Härdöpfel si besser für di u mi' was the clue as well, since 'besser' is easily traced to 'better', and 'Härdöpfel' sounds as 'kartofili' in my native tongue and 'di u mi' speaks for itself :)

As for the next quote, I think we should make it Arabic :rolleyes:

Va laqin mina daruri li an la aquna-sururi, - kala-l-maliqu, - ’indaiz fi qulu hauadithi-l-harbi mumqin an khalasi li qathir mina’ shai’ lezi qana jamilan va ‘ajiban ila abadin mina-l ‘ardi mutavasiti

to give you the hint from the start

'mina-l yardi mutavasiti' means 'out of Middle-Earth', and 'maliqu' means 'the king', but represents the name

Dare it

[Guinevere]

smilies/eek.gif Good gracious! How many languages do you speak ?? Is it allowed to ask you if you are an interpreter by profession ? And which is your mothertongue?
I`ll go now and ponder over the ending "---out of Middle-Earth" but am not very hopeful.


Inquisitively yours, Guinevere


PS where oh where are all the other guessers ?

[HerenIstarion]

Good gracious! How many languages do you speak ?? Is it allowed to ask you if you are an interpreter by profession ? And which is your mothertongue?

*H-I mutters under his breath "vanity, oh vanity", but nevertheless is very pleased with the exclamation above ;)

Interpreter? well, diploma reads so, though I do not hold a position of one
Mothertongue is Georgian

To be honest, I speak well 2 tongues only - Georgian and Russian. English comes in with #3, the rest are bits and scraps here and there scattered in memory from different periods of attraction. Or, to be short, I can not rub along without dictionary with the rest.

As for other participants-to-be - somebody will show up, I'm sure smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

smilies/frown.gif I just can`t find it. *sigh!* Can`t you please give another hint ? ( is it in the LotR at all ??)

And thank you, H-I, for the most interesting information about yourself! Your English is so flawless I couldn`t believe you were not at least bilingual..

[HerenIstarion]

qathir mina’ shai’ lezi qana jamilan va ‘ajiban

= much that was fair and wonderful

Va laqin mina daruri li an la aquna-sururi

=

Yet also I should be sad

[Eruhen]

Darn you, H-I! Throwing out a quote in a language that next to nobody on the Downs knows! Well, let's see if I can puzzle this out. I have a feeling that it's a quote from Galadriel or Elrond, seeing as it starts "Yet I also should be sad..." and ends "For much that is fair and good has passed out of Middle-Earth." This is one of those times that I wish I were doing this at home instead of at school. Then I could have the books next to me, specifically RotK. Any of this right, or am I way off base?
I only really know two languages, English as a mothertongue and Spanish as a secondary language. I know a few (and I mean very few) bits and pieces of German, French, Italian, and Latin. Apart from that, I know next to nothing about other languages. Oh wait. I forgot two. Quenya and Sindarin, of course! But that would make it too easy, wouldn't it?

[Guinevere]

I was thinking along these lines too, Eruhen!
In fact, both Elrond and Galadriel say at some place something very similar, but not exactly in these words. And what about "said the king" (king standing for the name) ? I`ve been searching back and forth everywhere in my already well-thumbed books, also in the appendix, but haven`t found it (yet...) You really steal a lot of my time, HerenIstarion, now when I should be writing X-mas letters!! smilies/mad.gif smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

um... as an additional hint, not merely king, but King Kingsson (or thus it may be translated form the language used with Toklkien into modern (<-- hint again) English...

hauadithi-l-harbi = fortune of war

and no more clues, have a go at it

[Manardariel]

I know!!!!! It´s Theoden, to Gandalf!!

"Yet also shoud I be sad said Theoden For however the fortune of war shall go, may it not end that much that wasd fair and wonderfull will pass forever out of Middle- Earth."
=> "The Two Towers, Book 3, Chapter 8 -"The Road to Isengard"

[ December 26, 2002: Message edited by: Manardariel ]

[ December 26, 2002: Message edited by: Manardariel ]

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[HerenIstarion]

...um, yes...Yes...YES!!!

pray proceed

[Schmendrick]

What about this one, who can translate?

"Monet niistä, jotka elävät ansaitsevat kuoleman. Ja jotkut jotka kuolevat ansaitsisivat elämän. Pystytkö sinä antamaan sen heille? Älä sitten ole niin innokas jakamaan kuolemantuomioita. Eivät edes kaikkein viisaimmat näe loppuun asti."

A hint: it's Gandalf talking to Frodo and IMO it's one of his wisest lines. smilies/smile.gif
It was also included in the film (FOTR).

[HerenIstarion]

Dear Schmendrick, this game is played in turns. Now we are waiting for Manardariel to pose a question. You are free to take up in two cases:
1. In case you get the right answer to Manardariel's quote
2. In case Manardariel neglects this thread for more than a week

enjoy your playing with us

thanks

[Schmendrick]

I'm sorry (and embarrased)!! smilies/frown.gif Didn't read very well the instructions, nor the previous posts!I'm trying to think about your quote, though it's really difficult...

[Manardariel]

Oh, that´s Ok, Schmendrik.
So, my turn now... Since we´ve had German, I´ll try French.Beware, though. I´ve been learning it for 4 years and well.. the Grammar is probably wrong. smilies/frown.gif
Just try to overlook that!

Ok, who said this:
Toutes vos mots sont seulement pour dire: Tu est une femme, et ton place est dans la maison. Mais quand les hommens sont mort dans la bataille et avec l´honeur, tu va etre bruler dans la maison, car les hommes n´en a plus besoin.

[ December 27, 2002: Message edited by: Manardariel ]

[LePetitChoux]

All your words are but to say: You are a woman, and your part is in the house. But when the men have died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more. ~Eowyn

I know it's right, so I'll follow up with my own:

Ya prishel, no ya seichas ne viberayu delat' to, radi chego ya prishel. Ya ne sdelayu eto! Kol'tso moyo!

[Eärendil]

May I ask for a little hint? smilies/wink.gif

[Schmendrick]

I know this! But unfortunately I don't know the word-to-word-translation in english, since I only have the book in finnish here at my parents'!
It's Frodo, in the end, when he chooses not to throw the ring into the fire!
In finnish he says:" Olen tullut. Mutta nyt en tee sitä, minkä tulin tekemään. Tätä tekoa en tee. Sormus on minun!"
And in eglish something like:" I've arrived. But I won't do what I came here to do. This (deed) I won't do. The Ring is mine!"
And now, if this was the right answer,I ask you the quote I already wrote in my previous post! smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

In case Le Petit Choux confirms the correctness of your answer, I suggest you to repost your question so to place it on the edge of things

[Schmendrick]

Ok, so here it comes:

"Monet niistä, jotka elävät ansaitsevat kuoleman. Ja jotkut jotka kuolevat ansaitsisivat elämän. Pystytkö sinä antamaan sen heille?"

And my hint was: this is something that Gandalf said to Frodo, and it is a very wise line indeed! smilies/smile.gif

[LePetitChoux]

Monet niistä, jotka elävät ansaitsevat kuoleman. Ja jotkut jotka kuolevat ansaitsisivat elämän. Pystytkö sinä antamaan sen heille? Älä sitten ole niin innokas jakamaan kuolemantuomioita. Eivät edes kaikkein viisaimmat näe loppuun asti.

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. ~Gandalf to Frodo in The Shadow of the Past (or Moriua, if you like) smilies/biggrin.gif
Someone else can have a go now...My mother is making me get off the computer smilies/rolleyes.gif

[LePetitChoux]

Actually, you know what? I'll do one. I think it is time for another Latin one...

ubi? habes coniecturam? nam vidi ignes heri et nuntii; et Gandalf dixit ut signum est ut bellum coepierat.
If anyone here knows more than 2.5 years' latin, and can see a mistake, please correct me! smilies/smile.gif

[Schmendrick]

How did you know that? Or did you guess smilies/wink.gif?
I know some latin, but can't make any sense of that sentence!!!Which preposition is "ut"? Help me this much, please smilies/wink.gif?

[HerenIstarion]

That's Pippin to Beregond:

When? Have you a guess? For I saw the beacons last night and the errand-riders; and Gandalf said that it was a sign that war had begun

[LePetitChoux]

ut is what 'that' is is my dictionary, and it isn't the same kind of that as 'illud', so I take it to mean the 'that' I'm referring to. smilies/smile.gif

Edit: Mr. Istarion, HOW DO YOU KNOW EVERYTHING LANGUAGE-RELATED? smilies/eek.gif

[ December 28, 2002: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ]

[HerenIstarion]

I do not (I was completely lost with finnish quote above, for instance). Yet thank you, for I count your exclamation as a compliment :)

*H-I bows*

The next quote to follow is:

ia sam povar, i ia luchshe gotovliu, nejeli gotovlius, esli vi ponimaete, o chem ia

Russian again

[Schmendrick]

Hmm...is this from the movie(TTT)? I would guess it's Sam when he is preparing the rabbit- meal, but I can't find these lines in the book! smilies/frown.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Not the movies and not Sam. but cooking related indeed

[Nenya]

Schmendrick: Good day to you! Or should I say "Päivää"...! Nice to know there are some other fellow finns wondering around the Downs... smilies/wink.gif

As for the quote: I have absolutely NO idea, but it somehow (don't ask me why, just a feeling) sounds tom bombadilish.

[Schmendrick]

Thank you, Nenya!Hauska tavata! smilies/smile.gif
I still can't figure out this quote!!I have a feeling that it is a hobbit...is it in the LOTR or could it be in the Hobbit??
(I'm getting desperate here...)

[Nenya]

I know! I know!
It has to be Bilbo:
"I am a cook myself, and I cook better than I cook, if you see what I mean"

(sorry if the quote isn't perfect,but be my guest and correct me.)

[ December 28, 2002: Message edited by: Nenya ]

[Schmendrick]

Yes, that's it! Congrats!
Although I gave you a little hint smilies/wink.gif...(didn't have my copy of The Hobbit here at my parents')

[Nenya]

Yes, well ,thank you for that! Credits are also due to my mom - who once studied russian - and our dictionary...The word "gotovliu" was the tricky one.

[LePetitChoux]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I knew that!Aaaargh! Why was I so late?

[HerenIstarion]

Pray proceed, Nenya

[Nenya]

"Titta!" ropade _____."Du har redan tagit en hälft av min sons kärlek. Nu tar du mina riddarens hjärtan och slutligen plundrar de min son från mig helt och hållet."

This should be fairly easy. I just hope that there aren't any Swedes here...they probably could make a whole language exercisebook based on all the mistakes that I have just made... smilies/wink.gif

[Guinevere]

At last, one that isn`t so difficult!! (Thank you, Nenya !)

It`s Denethor to Gandalf in "The pyre of Denethor".

"So!" cried Denethor. "Thou hadst already stolen half my son`s love. Now thou stealest the hearts of my knights also, so that they rob me wholly of my son at the last."

[Nenya]

Exactly!
Go ahead and quote, Guinevere.

[Guinevere]

Hmmm what language shall I try this time?
I`ll make it Italian! We haven`t had that yet, have we.

"Allora amari saranno i giorni miei e camminerò solo nella selvaggia"

I hope that it isn`t too short a quote ... smilies/wink.gif

Happy guessing, and a happy New Year to all my fellow-guessers !

[ December 31, 2002: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[nazzty]

"Then bitter will my days be, and I will walk in the wild alone." - Aragorn 2 his mother Gilraen, it is... definitly not in my copy!
smilies/frown.gif

[Guinevere]

That`s right, Nazzty ! (Hey, was that so easy? Do you speak Italian, then?)
What do you mean "not in my copy"? How did you know it then? smilies/rolleyes.gif
Anyhow, it`s your turn now!

[nazzty]

No I do not, though I better should for my girlfriend is sicilian... smilies/smile.gif
I first thought it was Frodo at his departure from the company, well he was not, my next thought was Arwen/Aragorn and so I found it. Google did the job; the part was taken from my copy and released as a own book.

[nazzty]

The nextone will be in german again; my french is just toooo bad...

"Du kommst nicht zu früh, mein Freund. Grosse Verluste haben wir zu beklagen."

[Eärendil]

"You come none too soon, my friend. Much loss and sorrow has befallen us." Éomer to Aragorn in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.

[nazzty]

Thats right!
You are next.

[Eärendil]

Let´s have it in Swedish once again!
Nej, mitt hjärta misströstar ännu inte. Gandalf föll och har återvänt och är med oss.
Who, to whom and where?

[nazzty]

Frodo to Sam on their way to Cirith Ungol?

[Eärendil]

'Fraid not. Try again. smilies/smile.gif
(Also, I want the original quote with the answer.)

[Elven-Maiden]

"No, my heart will not yet despair. Gandalf fell and has returned and is with us."

Pippin to Beregond at Minas Tirith.

[Eärendil]

Of course. smilies/smile.gif The floor is yours.

[Elven-Maiden]

French smilies/smile.gif

"Mes amis sont attrappé dans le saule," cria Frodo haletant.

Have fun, hope you enjoy this one!

[LePetitChoux]

"Mes amis sont attrappé dans le saule," cria Frodo haletant.

"My friends are caught in the willow tree" cried Frodo breathlessly. Said in FotR to Tom Bombadil. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Elven-Maiden]

yes! smilies/biggrin.gif your turn!

[LePetitChoux]

"Ne ubivay nas" plakal on. "Ne ran' nas protivvnoi zloi stal'yu! Dai nam zhit', da, zhit' chut' chut' dol'she. Poterialis' poterialis'! My poterialis'. I kogda Dragotsenniy propadet, my umrem, da, umrem v pil' "

I'm afraid I'm only able to think in Russian today. Maybe English. When I get back to Udûn (school) I'll be able to do more languages (i.e. Bad French, bad German, so-so Latin) smilies/smile.gif http://www.smilies.nl/dieren/grommit.gif

[Guinevere]

This is just guesswork, I don`t know any Russian! (Except that "da" means yes.)
But from the order of the words, especially the repeated ones, I conclude, that it MIGHT be Gollum on the slopes of Mt Doom:

"Don`t kill us," he wept."Don`t hurt us with nassty cruel steel! Let us live, yes, live just a little longer. Lost lost! We`re lost. And when Precious goes we`ll die, yes, die into the dust."

[LePetitChoux]

Yes! Well done! Great piece of guesswork! smilies/biggrin.gif

Your turn.

[Guinevere]

"Jetzt gschpüred mer d`Gfaar vor dere mir gwarnt worde sind. Simmer furtgritte zum Sieg, blos um ändlich daz`schtaa, verwirrt vomenen alte Lügner mit Honig uf sinere gschpaltene Zunge?"

(That was Swiss dialect...) smilies/wink.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Very nice quote, Guinevere! I hope my knowledge of German doesn't mean I have an unfair advantage in understanding Swiss dialect, but I couldn't resist! Éomer spoke: Now we feel the peril that we were warned of. Have we ridden forth to victory, only to stand at last amazed by an old liar with honey on his forked tongue?

[Guinevere]

That`s right, Estelyn ! Of course Swissgerman isn`t all too different from German. (But I thought at least one couldn`t use a "translating program" then...) smilies/wink.gif

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Unfortunately, German and English are the only languages of which I know more than a few words, so my quote is in German:

Seine Trauer wird er nicht vergessen; aber sie wird sein Herz nicht verdunkeln, sondern ihm Weisheit lehren.

[HerenIstarion]

Aragorn to Pippin about Merry:

His grief he will not forget; but it will not darken his heart, it will teach him wisdom

[Estelyn Telcontar]

That's right, HI - please continue!

[HerenIstarion]

I think it's time again to add some eastern flavour to this game. Georgian:

<font face="AcadNusx">coli gamixda avad, kai xani ukve loginadaa Cavardnili, da vRelav. Tanac saxuravidan kramiti waiRo qarma, da saZinebelSi wyali Camogvdis. eqims unda gamovuZaxoT, da mSeneblebs kide, oRond egeni sul agvianeben xolme. xoda vifiqre, rame ficari, an tilo mainc xom ar geqnebaT, erTi-ori dRe rom gadavagoro

as a clue: "kramiti" is tile (or tiles) and "eqims" the doctor (in a grammatical sense (alas, I do not know the terms) that he's object of action, not subject of it). In case doctor himself were to act, in Georgian it would have been "eqimi" than. "mSeneblebi" are the builders.

[ January 09, 2003: Message edited by: HerenIstarion ]

[Elven-Maiden]

Your clues confused me more than your quote did. It's been 4 days since you posted that, could you please give us a slighter more illuminating hint?

[HerenIstarion]

no hobbits act in the book where quote is derived from

[Eruhen]

Does that mean that it's from the Silm?

[LePetitChoux]

The chances of a doctor being in Silm are Slim! smilies/biggrin.gif
Riiight...anyway, I'd guess it was from one of the Adventures of TB or one of the other Tales from a Perilous Realm, or Roverandron.
Am I right? Am I? smilies/biggrin.gif

[Elven-Maiden]

Hmm, I don't think it's in Roverandom. But I could be wrong.... What about the book whose name I forget that deals with a man and a faery star that was baked into a cake?

[HerenIstarion]

the story is about a painter

[Guinevere]

Oh, now it makes sense at last! smilies/smile.gif
It's from "Leaf by Niggle" !! (Somehow I had never been considering anything else than LotR...)

"My wife has been ill for some days, and I am getting worried," said Parish. "And the wind has blown half the tiles off my room, and water is pouring into the bedroom. I think I ought to get the doctor. And the builders, too, only they take so long to come. I was wondering if you had any wood and canvas you could spare, just to patch mw up and see me through for a day or two."

I don't understand anything except the clues you gave, but it must be that, I guess. Am I right? smilies/rolleyes.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Exactly, i've just gave myself freedom to omitt "said Parish" part. Pray proceed

[Eruhen]

Agh! *slaps himself in the head* I even have that book and have read it several times! Gahhh! Better luck next time, Eruhen.

[Guinevere]

I hope you don't consider this quote as too short, but it's such a lot of work translating ... smilies/wink.gif

"Ho qualcosa a fare davanti alla fine. Devo eseguirlo signore, se mi capisci."

[busybee]

Is it Italian? Becasue some of the words were on this Italian dict. I saw but some weren't.

[Guinevere]

Yes,Busybee, it is Italian indeed .

[Eärendil]

Um, I think we need a clue here..... smilies/biggrin.gif

[Guinevere]

I'm sorry, I thought it would be almost too easy, because my last Italian quote was solved immediately, and because Heren Istarion seems to know all European languages anyway... smilies/wink.gif

"ho" is the 1st pers. singular of "avere". It means : I have
"devo" is the 1st pers.sing. of "dovere", it means: I must
"capisci" is the 2nd pers.sing. of "capire", it means: you understand.

[ January 28, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[LePetitChoux]

I must do something before the end. I must do it sir, if you understand me.
Sam.

[Guinevere]

That's right, PetitChoux . (Well, almost. "I must see it through, sir, if you understand") Since you know latin you probably would have managed without my hints ! smilies/smile.gif Your turn!

[LePetitChoux]

"On idet podalshe ot vreda, Ya tebe govoriu," otvetil _______. "Vidish li, On dragotsenniy. Ya ne doveriayu svoim parnishkam, i tvoim tozhe, da i tebe samomu, kogda s uma shodish ot nedostatka veselia. On napravlen tuda, kuda menys ustraivayet, i kuda ty ne popadesh, esli ne budesh normalno sebya vesti. Naverh, govoriu zhe. On tam v bezopasnosti.
Good Luck! You're gonna need it, unless you're HerenIstarion, and understand it anyway... smilies/smile.gif

[Elanor]

Wow, I have just discovered this thread! It's brilliant smilies/biggrin.gif . What a great multi-lingual place the Downs is. I have no idea about that last one though. smilies/frown.gif

[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: Elanor ]

[LePetitChoux]

Clues:
PODALSHE OT VREDA=further away from harm
DRAGOTSENNIY=precious (masc.)
GOVORIU= I say/am saying

I didn't translate it literally, to keep the Russian properly grammatical (If someone will point out a big error now, I will be VERY embarrassed.) smilies/smile.gif

[Elanor]

I still have no idea smilies/frown.gif Where are all the Russian speakers when you need them? This has been bothering me all weekend (I know, I know smilies/rolleyes.gif ) and nobody I know speaks any Russian - believe me, I've asked everyone.

[LePetitChoux]

This one really gives it away (I think):
bezopasnosti=safety

[akhtene]

Uph, it took some brain-work, I mean finding out who was talking (not actual translation, hehe smilies/tongue.gif )
"He's going out of harm's way, I tell you," answered SHAGRAT, "See? He's precious. I don't trust all my lads, and none of yours; nor you neither, when you're mad for fun. He's going where I want him, and where you won't come, if you don't keep civic. Up to the top, I say. He'll be safe there."

[Elanor]

Yay! I had no chance, even with the giveaway clues, I couldn't find the right quote. smilies/frown.gif

[LePetitChoux]

Yes, yes. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Elanor]

Akhtene?

[ February 15, 2003: Message edited by: Elanor ]

[LePetitChoux]

This thread seems to be dying out, so I'll do another quote to pass the time. It is in Russian (again! smilies/rolleyes.gif ) and from the top of the screen...
Tebe nado bilo bit' korolevskim shutom, i zarabativat' na hleb i poloski, kopiruya ego sovetnikov

[ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ]

[LePetitChoux]

No-one? It is quite simple, really.

zarabativat'=to earn
sovetnikov=advisors/cousellors

[HerenIstarion]

Gandalf to Saruman:

You should have been the king's jester and earned your bread, and stripes too, by mimicking his counsellors

[LePetitChoux]

Of course you're right, HerenIstarion!
Please do continue. smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

ola, ola. Thanks.

next one (Georgian):

miTumetes wagviyvaneT! – ver gauZlo _____ mTels am maRalfardovanebas. – daRlilebi da mSivrebi varT, grZeli gza gvaqvs daleuli da napirze avadmyofi megobrebi gvelian! iCqareT da nu gvalaparakebT mets, Torem, ise ar moxdes, qalaqis Tavi ufro didxans gesaubroT SemdgomSi


clues - maRalfardovaneba - solemnities
- avadmyofi - sick, ill
- Tavi - head, governor, chief
- iCqareT - make haste

[Elanor]

Nobody? smilies/frown.gif Is that Georgian? What an interesting looking language, with all those capital letters. Anyway, I have no chance at all, I can't make head nor tail of it. There must be somebody here who can solve it... (please!)

[Guinevere]

Well, I'm not the one who can solve it, either, though I've been pondering over it for some time!
Perhaps we need more clues, Heren-Istarion, since nobody else understands Georgian . smilies/rolleyes.gif (I sure wonder how that language sounds!!)

[ March 06, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[HerenIstarion]

daRlilebi da mSivrebi varT - we are tired and hungry

capital letters re:

Elanor, it's different character set, it just looks English so you'll be able to read it. To see it as it is intended to be seen, one may download and install AcadNusx.ttf (http://www.geocities.com/gl_century/acadnusx.zip)

Copy and paste it into Word application and select AcadNusx font and see how it is supposed to look like

if the link above is not working, try the following: AcadNusx.ttf (http://www.gurcuce.com/font/Kartuli%20AcadNusx.ttf)

[Guinevere]

Well, at least I'll try. smilies/wink.gif

I have found a passage which contains these words which you gave as clues, but the number of the other words doesn't correspond with it.
It's in "The Hobbit", when Bilbo and the dwarves arrive in Lake Town.

"Then all the more reason for taking us to him," burst in Fili, who was getting impatient at these solemnities. "We are worn and famished after our long road and we have sick comrades. Now make haste and let us have no more words, or your master may have something to say to you."

Could that be correct? smilies/rolleyes.gif
(Quotations in a totally unknown language are more difficult than "fill in the blank"!)

[HerenIstarion]

You've nailed it! :)

Have a go

BTW, number of words can not be equal since Georgian uses verbal suffixes and prefixess in most cases where Indo-European family uses pronouns

yours truly

[Guinevere]

yippie!! smilies/biggrin.gif

Hm, in what language shall I post now ? smilies/rolleyes.gif

I'll use Swissgerman dialect again smilies/evil.gif because I'm too lazy to translate into French or Italian...

Es tuet mer schüli leid." hät er gseit "Gang sofort! Scho immer sit dere Nacht i Bree simmer ä Plag gsi für dich. Aber es isch d'Art vo mim Volch, liechti Wort z'bruche i söttige Ziite, und weniger z'säge als mer meined. Mer händ Angscht, z'vil z'säge. Es raubt öis di richtige Wort wänn en Gschpass nüd aapracht isch."

Good luck!

[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[Elanor]

Ooh, that's tricksy! I can speak German, so some of that makes sense. I just have to think....

Aagh, I know it, I just can't find it! smilies/mad.gif

[ March 13, 2003: Message edited by: Elanor ]

[Elanor]

Wow, HI, that alphabet is amazing!

Anyway, I think I found it. smilies/biggrin.gif

"I am frightfully sorry" he said. "Go at once! Ever since that night at Bree we have been such a nuisance to you. But it is the way of my people to use light words at such times and say less than they mean. We fear to say too much. It robs us of the right words when a jest is out of place."

(Merry to Strider in the Houses of Healing.)

[Guinevere]

Correct, Elanor, well done!! smilies/smile.gif

You know, I think what Merry says here about the hobbits is also true for most of the Swiss. You can't say anything lofty or solemn in our dialect. We don't even say "Ich liebe dich" but "Ich ha di gärn" (I'm fond of you)! smilies/wink.gif
(May I ask you which country you come from, in addition to your corner of the Shire?)

[ March 14, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[Elanor]

I'm British, but I do speak a few languages. I lived in south Germany for a while too, and I found that some of your SwissGerman sounded similar to the dialect that some of my friends spoke.

Anyway, I don't think there has been any Welsh here yet! How about this quote?

Nid oes popeth sy'n aur un disgleirio, nid yw pawb sydd yn crwydro ar goll.

The quote itself is dead easy, once you know a word or two. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Hmmm... Could it be from Bilbo's verse?
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost

If it is then I think that there should be 'coll' instead of 'goll'... But mark this: I don't know Welsh at all! smilies/smile.gif

[Elanor]

Nassty! How do they guess so easy? smilies/eek.gif You're right of course.

The word for lost is 'coll', but the c mutates to a g after the preposition 'ar'. Welsh is strange that way...

[Annunfuiniel]

Thanks! Fyi, it was far from easy! smilies/smile.gif
Well, Finnish hasn't been used for a while so here goes:
Otan sen merkkinä, että me voimme ylittää sillan; mutta sen jälkeen en uskalla pysytellä tiellä ilman jotain selvempää merkkiä.
There it is. I would so have liked to use my own dialect but that might have made it a bit too difficult (even for some native Finnish speakers!). smilies/smile.gif

[Elanor]

Could we have a little clue perhaps? I can't get any of those words... smilies/frown.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Ok, you get what you wished. smilies/smile.gif
merkkinä='as a sign'
ylittää='pass (over something)'
en='I...not'(negation in the 1.pers.singular)
tiellä='to the road'

Hope those help but don't make it too easy. smilies/wink.gif

[LePetitChoux]

I will take it as a sign that we may pass the Bridge; but beyond that I dare not keep to the Road, without some clearer token.

Aragorn, upon finding the beryl on the road to Rivendell.

[Annunfuiniel]

LePetitChoux, I was just waiting for you to show up! And of course you're right! smilies/smile.gif
Please give us a new puzzle to solve.

[LePetitChoux]

I'll try my French now...
Please don't laugh!

Beaucoup sont les chances bizares de monde, et l'aide viendra de mains de les pauvres souvent, quand les sages échoueront

[Elanor]

OOh, that sounds SO familiar.... smilies/mad.gif

[Keyla]

I believe that would be:

Many is the chances bizares of the world, and the iade will often come with hands of paures, when wise ones fail.

This may not be what you wanted, but that is the translation of your french.

[Elanor]

smilies/biggrin.gif It's good old Gandalf.
Many are the strange chances of the world, and help oft shall come from the hands of the weak when the wise falter.

[Guinevere]

I could translate that quite well, and also guessed it was Gandalf who said it, but could you please tell me where and to whom he said it? I've been searching in my books for hours and it drives me crazy that I wasn't able to find it! smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Elanor]

Guinevere, I'm not able to help you much I'm afraid. smilies/frown.gif I found it in my little book of quotes - for a while last year I was reading with a notebook next to me, and wrote down the things I liked. And stupidly there are some where I forgot to write down where they came from. All I can say is that it was towards the end of my book, so it would probably be from RotK. Also, the full quote had "said Mithrandir" in it, not "said Gandalf". I started looking for the actual place in the books the other day, and I can't find it either. smilies/mad.gif Le Petit Choux? Can you elaborate further?

[Elanor]

Le Petit Choux? Do you want me to give more detail? Or would you like me or Keyla to continue?

[LePetitChoux]

Sorry! I've been skiing! Fun fun fun! Aaaaanyway, Elanor, you gave the exact quote, but you were SO close, Keyla! Ah well, better luck next time, eh?
smilies/biggrin.gif

So, Elanor, please do continue. smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

And today I have at last found where this quote is from:
It's in the Silmarillion, "Of the Rings of Power" and Mithrandir says it to Elrond at the first meeting of the White Council !! smilies/smile.gif

Go ahead, Elanor!

[Elanor]

Thanks Guinevere, no wonder I couldn't find it! smilies/rolleyes.gif

Anyway... Alors, tout cet étrange pays appartient à lui?

[Annunfuiniel]

That would be Frodo's line about Tom Bombadil (addressed to Goldberry)
Then all this strange land belongs to him?
Once again I'm not sure if this is the exact quote, please correct me if I've made a mistake. smilies/smile.gif

[Elanor]

Word perfect Annunfuiniel. Over to you. smilies/biggrin.gif

[Annunfuiniel]

Why thank you, Elanor! smilies/smile.gif
Ok, don't laugh now but I try Latin for change...
Gelidus sit manu et pectus et os,
Hmm, let's hope that contains even partially correct forms! smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/biggrin.gif Otherwise it should be very easy...

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

What the...
I am linguistically challenged smilies/wink.gif
Able for Russian or possibly Hebrew, but how do you people know Latin? smilies/tongue.gif

[Guinevere]

Well, I have never learnt Latin, but I know Italian, and being in a medical profession a lot of Latin words are familiar to me.

So , I conclude that this must be the first line of the barrow-wights incantation: cold be hand and heart and bone...
Am I right?

[Annunfuiniel]

You most certainly are, Guinevere! The idea with that quote indeed was that it could be solved without a degree in Latin (which I don't have). Please proceed. smilies/smile.gif
And GaladrieloftheOlden, you know Russian and Hebrew?! smilies/eek.gif Wow, you beat me there! smilies/wink.gif Well, I really don't know any French or Welsh either but in those languages were the quotes I have guessed here... smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/biggrin.gif

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

And GaladrieloftheOlden, you know Russian and Hebrew?! Well, I know Russian, but I have only a small knowledge of Hebrew. Because at my school, I've been studying it for almost 7 years, and can still hardly piece together a sentence. smilies/mad.gif But even that doesn't help here, as I think nobody is planning to put up a quote in Hebrew or Russian... smilies/frown.gif

[Elanor]

Actually, Galadriel OTO, there have been quite a few Russian quotes. I think we have a few Russian speakers around on the Downs. I love the variety we get here. smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Well, for variety's sake I'll bring another Italian quote (Though my French is better than my Italian...)

Il mondo è davvero pieno di pericolo, e ci dentro sono molti luoghi oscuri; ma c'è ancora tanto chi è bello, e sebbene in tutti paesi l'amore e mescolato di dolore, forse crescera di più.

[Guinevere]

Is there really no one who can understand this? I thought it would at least make sense to those who know French and Latin... smilies/rolleyes.gif (and where is HerenIstarion?)

Well, here are some clues:

davvero= indeed
luoghi= places
sebbene= though

[Elanor]

This has been driving me crazy for over a week now. I can translate many of the words, but I can't find the whole quote! smilies/mad.gif I must be nearly there, it'll turn up any day now...

[Guinevere]

Some more clues needed?

Ci dentro= in it
forse= perhaps
crescere= to grow smilies/wink.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Very nice of you to remember me :)

That was Haldir:

The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater

[Guinevere]

At last! smilies/smile.gif Of course it is correct.

I was sure you could translate it, Heren Istarion! (you probably wouldn't have needed any clues, being such a language genius...)

[HerenIstarion]

Thanks

All Western languages are in a way related. It may be more noticeable for a stranger's eye, but obscure-oscuro, pericolo-peril and so forth hit at once. And "il mondo" is almost common word, isn't it? So just a bit of hard looking at

I suppose you to go on with the new one, since I won't appear here for several weeks from now on again (to be honest, I specially turned up to celebrate the BD B-Day), and I do not wish this thread to die out. So it's you again to serve :)

Thank you

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

So... who goes? smilies/confused.gif

~Menelien

[Guinevere]

Well, since Italian wasn't intelligible to anyone but HerenIstarion, how about a French quote again? (I know there are several people here who know French!)

Il y a beaucoup de choses méchantes et peu aimables dans le monde qui ont peu d'amour pour ceux qui marchent sur deux jambes et qui pourtant ne sont pas alliés avec Sauron, mais ont leurs propres intentions. Quelques-unes ont étés dans ce monde plus longtemps que nous.

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Uh... never taken French in my life, but hey, I'm trying.
d'amour To love?
alliés Allies? smilies/rolleyes.gif
Sauron=Sauron
intentions. Same word. Could this be from the movies?

~Menelien

[Guinevere]

No, Galadriel, it's from the books. FotR to be precise. smilies/wink.gif

peu d'amour= little love

alliés avec Sauron = in leage with Sauron

I know there were several people on this thread who know French. Where are they?? smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ May 08, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[HerenIstarion]

I can not stand the temptation. That was Aragorn on Caradhras:

There are many evil and unfriendly things in the world that have little love for those that go on two legs, and yet are not in league with Sauron, but have purposes of their own

[Guinevere]

That's it, HerenIstarion. smilies/smile.gif
btw, how come you are posting here inspite of having announced that you would have no access to the internet for severeal weeks? Not that I am not pleased to read your post smilies/wink.gif Will you be able to continue, then?

[HerenIstarion]

As even Beorn noticed, wizards count differently to other people :rolleyes:

To be honest, I haven't expected the whole week to be full of holidays, as it came out. I have no more access to the net from the office (where I spend loads of time), but now I'm at home, so present here as well

next one to be cracked up:



"Oh, davaite ix vsex suda! Bistro! Dvigaite blije, vi, dvoe, i sadites! No slushai, ____, daje seichas u nas ti da desiat karlikov da hobbit, kotoriy poteralsia. Eto vsego odinadcat, da poterianniy sverxu, no ne chetirnadcat, esli tolko volshebniki po drugomu ne schitaut, ne kak vse ludi"

Russian. Clues in the intro

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Oh, let them all come! Hurry up! Come along, you two, and sit down! But look here, Gandalf, even now we have only got yourself and ten dwarves and the hobbit that was lost. That only makes eleven (plus one mislaid) and not fourteen, unless wizards count differently than other people. This is Beorn in The Hobbit in the chapter ‘Queer Lodgings’. Is this the answer? smilies/smile.gif

~Menelien

[HerenIstarion]

It is :). Pray proceed

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Alright, then, I've decided to try a quote in Hebrew. My only problem is, I'm not all that great in that language. So please excuse any small error. smilies/smile.gif
Isha yafa ____! Isha yafa ___! Achshav ha simcha she haya nahba* be ha shirim she anachnu shomarnu (is clear) li. I couldn't remember how to say 'is clear' in Hebrew, sorry.
*I don't know whether the correct word here is nahba or saphon.

~Menelien

[Elanor]

I can count to ten in Hebrew, and ask for some milk, but somehow I don't think that will help me solve this one. smilies/eek.gif Best left to someone else, I think.

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Alright, three hints:
Isha= Woman (in this case, Lady)
Simcha= Happiness (in this case, joy)
Shirim= Songs

Not sure if that helps anybody at all, if not, I guess I'll have to say which book it's from smilies/smile.gif

~Menelien

[Arafangwen]

Menelien, if you would please give us the book from whence it came we might be better off. smilies/wink.gif

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Okay smilies/tongue.gif It's from Fellowship. smilies/smile.gif

~Menelien

[Narduewen]

Wow, I actually found it, and I don't even know Hebrew.

"Fair Lady Goldberry! Fair Lady Goldberry! Now the joy that was hidden in the songs we heard is made plain to me." It was said by Frodo.

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Wow! You're good... your turn!

~Menelien

[Narduewen]

Let's see if I can translate a whole paragraph into another language. Here goes my try.

"bonus manedies! nam die id iterum tandem est. ego (correct), vides. preacelsus in exortus cis _____ sumus. ante hodie est praeterit nos oportemus ad invenimus _____ et videmus _____ aquae iacet in _____ pro nobis?

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Uh... err... hints, please?

~Menelien

[Narduewen]

okay, i will give you some hints, it is in Latin and it is in LotR, I hope that might help you.

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Agh, not me. I'm too young for Latin... smilies/wink.gif I meant along the lines of a word translation, but since it's Latin, I wouldn't get it anyhow... smilies/rolleyes.gif

~Menelien

[Guinevere]

Actually, I understand quite a lot of it, but not all, but up to now, I haven't found where it can be.... I keep racking my brain.. smilies/rolleyes.gif
Just one question, Narduewen: Does "bonus manedies mean "Good morning" or am I wrong?

[Narduewen]

Yes Guinevere, bonus manedies does mean Good Morning, but I am not sure it is true Latin, but it does come from Latin roots.

[Narduewen]

Do guys need more hints? I'll be happy to give more.

[Guinevere]

Thanks for the offer, Narduewen, but I don't know if more clues will help me smilies/rolleyes.gif
So far I understood the following words:

"Good morning! .... at last it is again day.
..........on this side....we are. Before this day is over, we must find ....... and we see....... water....in...... for us?"

Hell, I have searched everywhere in my books, but I'm just not able to locate it.
Well, perhaps someone else has an idea now?

[LePetitChoux]

This is the best translation I could come up with:
Good morning! It is now at last another day. You see me. very high in beginning within ______ and see ______ lies water in _____ near us?

I have also searched and searched but can find nothing at all. smilies/confused.gif

[gilraën]

I can give the quote, not because of language skills, I have few, but because someone provided the majority of the quote so it was simple to fill in the blanks.

`Good morning! ' said Gandalf: `For morning it is again at last. I was right, you see. We are high up on the east side of Moria. Before today is over we ought to find the Great Gates and see the waters of Mirrormere lying in the Dimrill Dale before us.'

[Narduewen]

That is correct gilraën! Your turn.

[gilraën]

Excuse me but my written language skills are weak, so my quote is short and sweet.

Où nous sont ______?


BTW look in RotK smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Do you perhaps mean Pippin, arriving in Gondor and asking:
"Where are we, Gandalf?"
but the correct French for that would be:
" Où sommes-nous, Gandalf?" (Or, more complicated "Où est-ce que nous sommes?")

btw, I was hoping you would come and look at this thread, Gilraën, I was sure you'd be able to find this latin-quote ! smilies/smile.gif

[gilraën]

Correct Guinevere, I apologise again for my terrible french, unfortunately it is the better of my 'foreign' languages. I only got the last one from the translation given by another. I'll have to stick to english only in future smilies/wink.gif smilies/smile.gif

Your turn.

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Gilraën!

"Eine Zeit könnte bald kommen," sagte ..... "wenn keine heimkehren werden. Dann wird eine Tapferkeit nötig sein ohne Ruhm, denn niemand wird mehr der Taten gedenken, die geleistet werden in der letzten Verteidigung eurer Heime. Doch werden die Taten nicht weniger tapfer sein, weil sie ungepriesen bleiben."

[akhtene]

Wow, at last some language I know a bit! smilies/biggrin.gif

"A time may come soon," said Aragorn, "when noone will return. Then there will be need of valour without renown, for none shall remember the deeds that are done in the last defence of your homes. Yet the deeds will not be less valiant because they are unpraised"

Thanks, Guinevere , that's one of my favourite scenes!

[Guinevere]

Hullo, Akhtene, nice to meet you again! smilies/smile.gif
The quotation is correct, of course. (I like this scene very much, too)
So it is your turn now!

[akhtene]

That’s Russian again (sorry if you are bored smilies/frown.gif ). To make it more interesting – that’s a poem my daughter translated for her Russian class. It’s not part of LotR, but could be, I guess. We found it in a tiny book with bright pictures on every page (does it help??)

Okonchen den’,
V glasah temno,
Lezhit put dal’nii predo mnoi.

Proshchai, moi drug!
Ya slyshu zov.
Korabl’ k plavaniu gotov.

Pena bela,
Volny sery kak stal’;
Moi put’ ved’ot v zakatnuiu dal’.

[Guinevere]

Hm, I don't know any Russian. The only words I was able to find out are "den" = day and "proshchai"= farewell... But this and the exclamation mark, together with the hints that you gave, leads me to guess that it could be the beginning of Bilbo's Last Song
Day is ended, dim my eyes,
but journey long before me lies.
Farewell, friends! I hear the call.
The ship's beside the stony wall.
Foam is white and waves are grey,
beyond the sunset leads my way.
Have I guessed right ? smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ June 11, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[akhtene]

Guessing right with only two words! That's a marvel - or lots of practice! smilies/wink.gif

Your turn.

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Akhtene!

Celui qui casse une chose pour trouver ce qu'elle est, a quitté le sentier de la sagesse.

[LePetitChoux]

"One who breaks a thing to find what it is, has left the path of wisdom."

I seriously have no idea where that might come though...Is it in LotR, the Hobbit, or...?

[Guinevere]

Ah , at last someone who knows French! smilies/smile.gif Your traduction is correct, petit Choux. To give you a hint: the quote is from LotR, FotR to be precise. Can you find out, who said it?

[akhtene]

The thread deserves being bumped up!

That was Gandalf talking to Saruman of Many Colours. (I guessed the speaker at once but it took some 3 days to find the scene smilies/frown.gif )

[Guinevere]

That's it, Akhtene, well done! smilies/smile.gif

Well, either you or le petitChoux can have the next turn... whoever comes first!
smilies/wink.gif

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

It doesn't seem at all like Tolkien to me, but sometimes the sound of the poetry gets a bit lost in the translation, in which case it could be... if it is, I certainly don't know it off the top of my head.

~Menelien

[akhtene]

Gosh, it's not Tolkien at all, terribly sorry if I mislead any of you here!
smilies/frown.gif

To keep the thread going – some more of boring Russian:

“Ya poslannik Korol’a” skazal _____ “Ty govorish s korolevskim drugom, odnim iz samyh proslavlennyh vo vseh zapadnyh zeml’ah. Ty negod’ai i durak. Stanovis’ na koleni na doroge I prosi proshchenia, ili ya vsazhu eto prokl’atie trollei v teb’a.”

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

‘I am a messenger of the king,’ he said. ‘You are speaking to the King’s friend, and one of the most reknowned in all the lands of the West. You are a ruffian and a fool. Down on your knees in the road and ask pardon, or I will set this troll’s bane on you!’ -Pippin

~Menelien

[akhtene]

Right. Please procede

[LePetitChoux]

Bump.

I'll PM Galadriel to remind her. smilies/smile.gif

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Sorry. Had no computer acess. I didn't forget you. smilies/tongue.gif Dosvidanya! Ya begu nayti sontze! Yes, it's a short quote, sorry, but if you know Russian (sorry, Russian again, but I doubt I would be able to write a decent one in Hebrew, as I just about failed my Hebrew class this year) it shouldn't be difficult at all. smilies/smile.gif

Swan song,
~Menelien

[LePetitChoux]

"Goodbye! I'm running to find the Sun!"

No idea who said it, though. It seems to me like a quote from one of the Farmer Giles/Smith of Wooton Major etc. books, not the LotR series or the Hobbit...
Hm. smilies/confused.gif

[Guinevere]

Methinks I recognize that one!
Isn't it Legolas on the way down from Caradhras, running lightly on the snow: "Farewell!" he said to Gandalf. "I go to find the sun!" smilies/rolleyes.gif smilies/smile.gif

[GaladrieloftheOlden]

Correct, Guinevere! smilies/smile.gif

LePetitChoux- Gah, I didn't know a more precise word for "farewell." I know it sounded like "goodbye," but well, close enough... I think... smilies/rolleyes.gif

Swan song,
~Menelien

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Galadriel! smilies/smile.gif That was "team-work"...
But I think it's LePetitChoux's turn, for doing the actual translation. Or what do you think?

Well, since she's not around at the moment, I'll post a new quote now, once again in German.
In Trauer müssen wir gehen, doch nicht in Verzweiflung. Siehe! Wir sind nicht für immer an die Kreise der Welt gebunden, und jenseits von ihnen ist mehr als Erinnerung. Lebwohl!

[ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[Annunfuiniel]

Oh, my old sig! How I loved it...
In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory. Farewell!
*sigh* So, so sad...

~Annun

[Guinevere]

Correct, of course, Annunfuiniel!
(I guess that one was a bit too easy... smilies/wink.gif )

[Annunfuiniel]

Thanks, Guinevere! And yes, maybe it was a bit easy but so what? As I said I love that quote. And the next one is here (in Finnish):
Sukulaismies, hyvästi! Olkoon sinun kohtalosi toinen kuin minun, ja sinun aarteesi pysyköön sinun luonasi loppuun asti.

~Annun

[LePetitChoux]

Hm, hoom, come now, let me see...

Out of all of that, only the following words do something which, in a moment of enthusiasm, may be described as ringing a bell:
ja=yes/I
pysiköön=physical/physically
asti=is?
sinun=sign?
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Could I have a clue please?

[Annunfuiniel]

Clues, eh? Well, ok then. smilies/smile.gif

I'll give you the words you tried to translate...

ja=and
pysyköön=[may] remain
loppuun asti=to the end
sinun=your

Hope those help!

smilies/smile.gifAnnun

[Stuttering Istari]

May I?

'Kinsman, farewell! May your doom be other than mine, and your treasure remain with you to the end!'

Celeborn to the fellowship on their parting or something (RotK)

[Annunfuiniel]

Celeborn to Aragorn, to be exact...

But otherwise perfect answer, Stuttering Istari! A heartfelt 'Welcome!' to you: enjoy the 'Downs - I bet you'd never have thought that being dead might be this much fun! smilies/biggrin.gif (Am I allowed to be curious and ask where are you from?)

The stage is your: please, give us a new puzzle to solve! smilies/smile.gif

~Annun

[Stuttering Istari]

Thanks for the welcome,
I'm from Indonesia .. and speaking of Indonesia .. hmm smilies/evil.gif since so many europeans language use here, why don't we try some Asian's flavour?

Here's from the Two Towers:

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"Aku tidak akan mengambil benda ini, meskipun tergeletak di pinggir jalan"
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Hints:
Aku: I
benda: thing
jalan: highway

Quite easy, isn't it?

[Guinevere]

Hail and well met, Stuttering Istari!
Is that Indonesian? smilies/eek.gif But fortunately, your hints are ringing a bell in my brain... smilies/wink.gif
Isn't this Faramir, saying to Frodo: I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. in the window of the West.

[Stuttering Istari]

I said that's easy, didn't I?

Your turn ..

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Stuttering Istari! smilies/smile.gif
Hmm, in what language shall I make the next quote? smilies/rolleyes.gif I think I'll try French again, if I may... Un serment je jurerai moi aussi; et je dois être libre de l'accomplir et d'aller dans les ténèbres. Ni durera-t-il quelquechose de mon royaume qu'un fils pourrait hériter.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Well Guinevere, following your advice I decided to give it a try smilies/biggrin.gif

An oath I too shall swear, and must be free to fulfil it, and go into darkness. Nor shall anything of my realm endure that a son should inherit.

Felagund to Galadriel.

[Guinevere]

That's it, Mariska! (I hope my French translation was correct...)

[Mariska Greenleaf]

it was indeed. smilies/wink.gif

Okay, I'll give one in dutch, I believe we hadn't had that language before...

Maar het is nu eenmaal zo: je kunt nu niet tot het voorjaar wachten, en je kunt niet vertrekken voordat de verslagen binnenkomen.

good luck smilies/wink.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

Please let me know if you need any clues...

[Guinevere]

I've been pondering on that one for quite long. smilies/rolleyes.gif my mothertongue is German, so I can understand some of it, but not all.
Could you tell me what is "voorjaar" and "verslagen" ?
But anyhow, I've no idea where to look for that quote.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

The quote is from the Fellowship.
voorjaar: spring
verslagen: reports

Hope this helps a little

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[ August 14, 2003: Message edited by: Mariska Greenleaf ]

[Guinevere]

It helped a lot!! smilies/smile.gif
This was Bilbo in Rivendell, saying to Sam (and the other hobbits) But there it is: you can't wait now till spring and you can't go till the reports come back.

[Mariska Greenleaf]

indeed! smilies/wink.gif

Well, the board is yours!

[Guinevere]

Thank you, Mariska!
Mer werded's gseh! Aber einewäg, wänn's guet gaht dann sött's vil meh Platz gä. Was seisch? Wämmer ä günschtigi Glägeheit überchömed, du und ich, so haued mer's ab und richted öis sälber i, mit es paar zuverlässige Purschte, irgendwo wo's gueti Büüte git, nett und gäbig, und e kei grossi Bosse.
That is Swissgerman dialect smilies/evil.gif Good luck!

[Mariska Greenleaf]

I definitely need a clue...
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[Elanor]

Well, I'm back. Mind if I join in again?

That's Gorbag talking to Shagrat:
"We'll see. But anyway, if it does go well there should be a lot more room. What d'you say? - If we get a chance you and me'll slip off and set up somewhere on our own with a few trusty lads, somewhere where there's good loot nice and handy, and no big bosses."

I think that SwissGerman sounds perfect for orcs, nice and gutteral...

[ August 18, 2003: Message edited by: Elanor ]

[Guinevere]

Very good, Elanor! smilies/smile.gif Your turn!
( And I agree with you about Swissgerman: it is best suited to translate the speech of orcs (or of hobbits...) smilies/biggrin.gif )

[Elanor]

Thank you. Let's try some Spanish.

A pesar de todo haya quizás una luz más allá de la obscuridad; y si es así, yo querría que usted la vea, y se alegre.

[HerenIstarion]

That must be Aragorn to his mother Gilraen:

Yet there may be a light beyond the darkness, and if so, I would have you see it and be glad

my compliments

[Elanor]

Muy bien Señor Istarion. That was fast! Over to you.

[HerenIstarion]

thanks

next one in Georgian:

<font face="acadnusx">lampionis motana mindoda, Tu ar SegawuxebT

lampionis is the lamp
motana - to bring

dare it

[Deirdre]

bilbo in "the hobbit" talking to dwarves, in the begging, i suppose.
hobbit, an unda metkva soromyo?

[ August 21, 2003: Message edited by: Deirdre ]

[Deirdre]

Am I allowed to ask or should wait for my turn? well, i am beginner here smilies/smile.gif

quote:
вот что сказал перед смертью
наместник Гондора: "Может быть, и одержите вы победу у стен Минас-Тирита, но
удар, занесенный над вами, не отразить". Он говорил это в отчаянии, и все же
слова его правдивы.

[ August 21, 2003: Message edited by: Deirdre ]

[Elanor]

Welcome to the Downs Deirdre, and thanks for joining in. smilies/smile.gif Better just wait for HerenIstarion to confirm your answer was right before we tackle your quote. (Although I'm ready to give up already!)

[The Saucepan Man]

Yes, welcome to the Downs Deirdre. I hope you enjoy yourself here. Why not try out the Quiz Room too, if you have not already? smilies/smile.gif

Elanor is right. You must wait for confirmation that your answer is correct before proceeding with the next question. The same rules apply in Quotable Quotes as apply in the Quiz Room. You may find them here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000386).

And in this game, you should also give the English translation of the quote.

Have fun. smilies/smile.gif

[Guinevere]

Hello, Deirdre, welcome also from me!

I think Saucepan-man didn't mean what he wrote:" ...you should also give the English translation of the quote" (that's what the guessers have to find out) but look at what Le petit Choux, who started the thread, said at the beginning:

Basically, you find a quote and translate it literally into another language. Not from the book in, say, german, but you must translate it yourself. Any language will do, but if they use a different alphabet (eg. Cyrillic) then try to use latin letters for the sounds in the other alphabet. Dead languages also count.

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah yes. Perhaps I should explain myself more clearly. I meant that, when giving the answer, you should provide the English translation of the non-English quote set by the questioner. Thanks for spotting the possible confusion there, Guinevere. smilies/smile.gif

[Elanor]

Don't let us scare you away though, keep joining in. smilies/smile.gif

[HerenIstarion]

Deirdre got it right :)

Since it is supposed to have quotes transcripted into latin alphabets (for those who have no acadnusx family fonts mine looks latin smilies/smile.gif, those who have supposedly are literate in Georgian), I suggest she would be generous to rephrase her quote once again

thanks

And of course I'm awfully glad to welcome you here :D

[Deirdre]

Aye, Heren Istarion, nice to meet you here.
now you know that there are people literate in Georgian here, so be very careful smilies/smile.gif

there is the quote, if I am allowed.

"Vot chto skazal pered smertiu namestnik Gondora: mozhet bit i oderzhite vi pobedu u sten Minas-Tirita no udar, zanesenni nad vami, ne otrazit. On govoril eto v otchaianii i vse zhe slova ego pravidivi."

Language: Russian.
Clues: smert` - death
pobeda - victory
otchaianie - despair

optimal set of words for anything, is not it? smilies/smile.gif

[Mariska Greenleaf]

I think we need some more hints here... smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Deirdre]

stena - wall
udar - attack (here)
otrazit - rebut, repulse
pravdivie slova - true words

smilies/frown.gif I thought it`s just so easy. smilies/frown.gif

[HerenIstarion]

that is Gandalf quoting Denethor in The Las debate:

You may triumph on the fields of the Pelennor for a day, but against the Power that has now arisen there is no victory.

[Guinevere]

smilies/eek.gif Is it really?! Given those clues I immediately thought of that very quote too, but since the words weren't the same I gave up. smilies/frown.gif

Here is what PetitChoux said at the beginning of the tread: Basically, you find a quote and translate it literally into another language. Not from the book in, say, german, but you must translate it yourself.

[ September 14, 2003: Message edited by: Guinevere ]

[Deirdre]

Heren Istarion, you are right. Thanks.
Am saitze aghar shemoval, ase rom kargad ikavi, mshvidobit. imedia, arasodes aghar shegxvdebi.

[HerenIstarion]

My compliments

next one to follow:

'Sort, vous deux, et partons nous. Maintenant nous savons que qui a fait le sentier – et nous avions mieux partir d'ici rapidement

French

[Guinevere]

Come out you two, and let us get away. Now we know who made the path - and we had better get off it quick.
Pippin to Strider and Merry when they were exploring the troll-hole, on the way from Weathertop to the ford of Bruinen.
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[Jack]

o boy, how do you find all this stuff? Do you all have books of radom langueges or do you actuely speak this stuff (I only know a little Spanish and am taking French)