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Holbytlass

01-15-2006, 09:12 AM

Rational reasons are one thing, gross distortions and outright lies are quite another! You know as well as anybody that Dori won both the Hobbit Carrying and Hobbit Tossing competitions. He was also the first to figure out how to climb up, then down, then up a tree. If that is not a sign of mental alacrity I don’t know what is.
Master Kuru, apperantly you didn't see the entire episode! Dori won both competitions by default! The hobbits were offended and refused to participate even though dummy-hobbits were being used. The Necromancer tortured his, Smaug burnt his, the trolls ate theirs, the elves imprisoned theirs, the other dwarves were arguing over who would actually do the carrying and so on and so forth...Dori tripped near the end and his hobbit dummy rolled across the finish line! When things were looking to be about the same for the tossing competiton, Glirdan Probst threw the prize in disgust and Dori picked it up. As for up-down-up a tree, that's not alacrity that's stupidity!

++DORI

Kuruharan

01-15-2006, 10:12 AM

Master Kuru, apperantly you didn't see the entire episode! Dori won both competitions by default!

Liar, Liar, corset on fire!! Somehow m'lady missed the fact that The Lord of Eagles and the Chief Warg both participated in this competition and gave Dori a good run for his money.

Unfortunately, the Eagle Lord, just as he was about to cross the finish line in first place he succumbed to temptation and ate the hobbit because he thought it was a rabbit.

Dori tripped near the end and his hobbit dummy rolled across the finish line!

Might I suggest m'lady acquire a pair of bifocals? It was the Chief Warg who tripped and whose hobbit rolled across the finish line. I can see how you would easily confuse the two. The Chief Warg was disqualified because both porter and portee had to cross at the same time. That allowed Dori, who was just behind the Warg, to win. His victory was a shining example to All-Under-Heaven of stick-to-itiveness and perseverance.

As for up-down-up a tree, that's not alacrity that's stupidity!

Not when it is the criteria of the competition it is not. Dori utterly routed his competition here. The Chief Warg couldn't figure out how to climb the tree, the Lord of Eagles couldn't figure out how to stop flying around, Smaug couldn't figure out how to show up, the Necromancer was already voted off, the hobbits curled up into pathetic balls and started whimpering, Roac merely offered platitudes, the elves actually managed to climb the trees but then started construction and couldn't be bothered to climb down again, the other dwarves found it much more fun to criticize the elves incompetent building, the goblins couldn't figure out how to not start a forest fire, and the trolls couldn't figure out how to not eat the trees. Dori, while the other dwarves obviously knew what the competition was about, was the only one who could overcome his desire to taunt the elves as their flets repeatedly fell down to the ground and fulfill the requirements of the competition. Truly a compassionate and goal-oriented individual who in no way deserves these calumnies that are being thrown his way.

A grievous fallacy. Legolas is born already.

The sins of the sons, and film directors, should not be visited upon the fathers, especially if the fathers are fey, forest-dwelling epitomes of coolness.

You can hardly punish somebody for a crime they haven't committed yet now can you? You have to punish them afterwards. His crime was having Legolas and being willfully and persistently an Elf!!

Vote Balin today, Lady Spawnowen, and I'll happily vote Beorn tomorrow

Don't pay any attention to him m'lady. Vote the Elvenking today and I'll happily vote Beorn tomorrow. "Why in the world should I do that?" you ask. Because you can trust me to do as I say, unlike certain individuals of our mutual acquaintance. *cough*Anguirel*cough* In fact, I kept my word to him even though he betrayed me. How does he even have the gall to show his face here?!
:rolleyes:

WaynetheGoblin

01-15-2006, 01:12 PM

++elrond
because you guys know why.

Anguirel

01-15-2006, 02:49 PM

My reputation was unstained. I voted with you when push came to shove. My momentary change was merely a compliment to the most wise Lady Spawnowen's excellent anti-Beorn case.

As support against the boorish and overly-chummy Balin seems slow to coalesce, I may consider changing my vote to Dori...who was earlier succinctly described by...who was it again?...as a "witless ox"...

Kuruharan

01-15-2006, 03:04 PM

My reputation was unstained.

*sneer*

My momentary change was merely a compliment to the most wise Lady Spawnowen's excellent anti-Beorn case.

The only reason this Rt. Hon. Gentleman changed his vote back was because he could clearly see the Beorn vote was going nowhere. "Paying momentary compliments" had nothing to do with it. :p

Anguirel

01-15-2006, 03:11 PM

*sneer*

The only reason this Rt. Hon. Gentleman changed his vote back was because he could clearly see the Beorn vote was going nowhere. "Paying momentary compliments" had nothing to do with it. :p

You're wrong, as a matter of fact. It had something to do with it, if not everything. When inessentials only are at stake, a little courtesy can be of much benefit.

Dori, though, lacks even a little courtesy. He grumbles like a striking union miner when he is rescuing the hapless Bilbo...

--BALIN, ++DORI

A minor figure from a tribe which is numerically too strong and charismatically too weak, this beast of burden will not be missed.

Kuruharan

01-15-2006, 03:24 PM

He grumbles like a striking union miner

-and-

this beast of burden

I always knew you were an elitist. :p ;)

Lalaith

01-15-2006, 05:22 PM

WHY are you all voting out the interesting people when there are still TWO blasted trolls on the list?

Dori id a sweetie. As for Beorn, I've always had a weakness for big, grumpy chaps, especially if they are honeys underneath....
Of the current eviction candidates,
++ELVENKING is the one that most deserves it.

But tomorrow can we please lose one of the trolls? They're depressing the hell out of me....

Holbytlass

01-16-2006, 07:21 AM

Appearantly, there are two versions to the episode of Dori's "winnings", mine and Kuruharan's. I ask those who have voted or have yet to vote to settle this debate. Who saw clearly?

If you feel Kuru is correct vote (or change vote) to The ElvenKing.

If you know Holby is correct then vote (or change vote) to Dori.

Thank you for any considerations.

Celuien

01-16-2006, 08:35 AM

If you know Holby is correct then vote (or change vote) to Dori.

++DORI

'Nuff said.

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 09:11 AM

"And out of Gondolin came Celuien with ten thousand doughty warriors..."

I'm pretty relieved. Though we need still more anti-Dorians.

Tuor in Gondolin

01-16-2006, 09:42 AM

+ + Dori
There are still too many dwarves.

dancing spawn of ungoliant

01-16-2006, 09:50 AM

Vote Balin today, Lady Spawnowen, and I'll happily vote Beorn tomorrow...
Don't pay any attention to him m'lady. Vote the Elvenking today and I'll happily vote Beorn tomorrow.
Now, this is interesting, both gentlemen offering a deal? What's this all about, I wonder. My vote has barely any meaning since I cast it for someone who's not probably going to get other votes and one vote more or less for some more popular candidate isn't much.

Well, Anguirel has now changed his own vote so I doubt his offer holds anymore.

"Why in the world should I do that?" you ask. No, I trust your word. Actually, I'm not as curious about that as I'm interested to hear, why in the world you should do that. Why are you suddenly willing to help me with my Beorn campaign? Perhaps you are counting on the fact that tomorrow might be too early for getting enough votes for Beorn and he won't be voted off whereas a vote for Elvenking today would improve your chances of getting rid of him now.

I shall consider your offer, but at this point, I won't change my vote. :p

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 10:02 AM

why in the world you should do that. Why are you suddenly willing to help me with my Beorn campaign? Perhaps you are counting on the fact that tomorrow might be too early for getting enough votes for Beorn and he won't be voted off whereas a vote for Elvenking today would improve your chances of getting rid of him now.

Why does everyone always have the worst opinion of my motives? :(

Somewhere up there the Capitalist Exploiter said something about it being good to be polite and helpful. That is part of it. The other part of it is that Beorn does have to go sooner or later. We may as well help each other if we are able to and our interests run together for a bit. :cool:

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 10:07 AM

My offer now merely replaces "Balin" with "Dori"...

dancing spawn of ungoliant

01-16-2006, 10:18 AM

Why does everyone always have the worst opinion of my motives? :(

Somewhere up there the Capitalist Exploiter said something about it being good to be polite and helpful. That is part of it. The other part of it is that Beorn does have to go sooner or later. We may as well help each other if we are able to and our interests run together for a bit. :cool:
No, there's nothing bad in being polite and helpful, but if you aren't really interested in getting rid of Beorn, I don't see much point in your offer. However, if you say that you actually want to get him voted off, then I say it's a whole different thing. Apologies for questioning your motives, Sir.

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 10:25 AM

I have more Beorn-voting credentials. I voted for him several times even before the charming arachnid arrived on the scene...

EDIT: Here be the proof

Offer gladly accepted morm; I'm no fan of Beorn, an uncouth lump in the Sam mould...

--DWALIN, ++BEORN

Beorn is an obnoxious, violent, hooligan with an antitolerant attitude.

He's a vegetarian.

He runs a vegan farm looked after by talking animals.

I imagine he has an irritating Hagrid-like yeaarrrgh voice.

A mere furrier! Do away with the insufferable Middle-earth Dr Dolittle!

--ROAC, ++BEORN

Two votes for Beorn, and there's another somewhere...enough vitriol to buy a vote for Dori?

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 10:41 AM

but if you aren't really interested in getting rid of Beorn, I don't see much point in your offer. However, if you say that you actually want to get him voted off, then I say it's a whole different thing.

A fair question, m'lady. However, if I gave my word I'd do my best to get rid of him whether I "wanted" him to go or not. I've already made the offer, so my part of the deal is already done. If you accept, that will be that.

However, as for "wanting" him to go...I don't want him to win the competition. That is as much motive as I have ever had for voting against anybody. So, looked at from that perspective, I want him to lose just as much as I've wanted anybody else I've voted for to leave.

Apologies for questioning your motives, Sir.

You are gracious as always, m'lady.

And...I'm sure you have noted, the Capitalist Exploiter is not exactly dependable in his thinking or his voting, which rather resembling a weather vane furiously spinning about with each new gust of wind. I'm much more consistent.

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 10:48 AM

And...I'm sure you have noted, the Capitalist Exploiter is not exactly dependable in his thinking or his voting, which rather resembling a weather vane furiously spinning about with each new gust of wind. I'm much more consistent.

That analogy is admittedly fairly apposite. But I prefer to think of it as a rapier whirling around, barraging, parrying, lunging, feinting and eventually hitting the heart...in this case, of Beorn...

I'm like Strider. I look more treacherous than I ultimately act. Sometimes.

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 10:54 AM

But I prefer to think of it as a rapier whirling around, barraging, parrying, lunging, feinting and eventually hitting the heart...in this case, of Beorn...

When you were actually aiming for somebody else entirely, oh ye of the "beast of burden" comment. ;)

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 10:58 AM

Oh, I'm still lunging at Dori. I'm just following it through with a slash at Dr Dolittle..

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 11:01 AM

*gasp* The Capitalist Exploiter hates beloved cultural figures too?!

Is there no bottom to his malice? :D

The Saucepan Man

01-16-2006, 12:24 PM

I agree that there are still too many Dwarves, but I'd rather get rid of dead Dwarves than live ones.

++THRAIN

Even when alive, he was a gibbering wreck. And now that he's dead, he's starting to smell. :D

A caveat - I will be prepared to vote for Thranduil today if I am assured of support in my campaign against Thrain tomorrow.

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 12:43 PM

Thrain is possibly the coolest Dwarf ever to have drawn breath. Fine, he had a tragic and unsuccessful career. Since when has that stopped people from being heroes?

Born into privilege, Thrain had to tough it out, penniless, in the wild. Unlike his father, he didn't throw his life away in a blood-feud, however. He kept adventuring on, passing down lore, keeping the artefacts of his line safe for as long as he could. Though he lost his Ring eventually, he saved the map for Gandalf and his son-which means he must have at least partially withstood Sauron's torture.

He ended in madness. So? So did Jeanne de Montfort, Henry VI and Nietzche. Thrain was a true Dwarven Hero, perhaps unequalled until the career of Gimli.

The Saucepan Man

01-16-2006, 12:52 PM

That's a matter of opinion, Anguirel. But even if you are right, it does not contradict anyhting that I said in my case against him ...

Bascially, he's dead and therefore starting to smell. That's good enough for me to want to kick him off. :p :D

dancing spawn of ungoliant

01-16-2006, 12:54 PM

I'd rather get rid of dead Dwarves than live ones.Oooh! Et tu, SpM?

Anguirel, we seem to share same views of Beorn and that makes me glad. I had somehow missed your earlier case against him. You spoke wisely back then and you've proved that you are ready to vote for him even without pacts.

Therefore: Kuruharan, you got yourself a deal.

--BEORN

++ELVENKING

Let tomorrow be the day when we go against Beorn together.

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 12:57 PM

But...but...but...but...base treachery...splutter...

That's the last time I ever suck up to spiders!

Back to Thrain-clear proof of his superiority is that he is the one recorded Dwarf King with the familial touch necessary to bring up a daughter to adulthood...

Without Thrain, there would be no Dis.

Dis should be a contestant, incidentally. What sexism!

Lalaith

01-16-2006, 01:05 PM

I'll certainly leave Thrain alone, in honour of his gallant son Thorin whose departure I still mourn.
I agree there are too many dwarves, but why pick on the two bravest and best, Dori and Balin? Why not cull the porker, whose selfish dietary needs are becoming a major liability on the island? Yes, there were the dreams, so whimsically diverting at first, but they have long since become beyond tedious.
And do we need *both* Fili and Kili?
And, I repeat again, WHY are there still two trolls on this island?

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 01:12 PM

I'm a pragmatist. Dori already had quite a few votes. And, I sincerely hope, people will have enough taste to garner him some more. He's hardly a catastrophic loss. He's nice and friendly and bluff and grumbles a bit and carries things. Like a slightly arthritic but essentially decent mule.

Surely the loss of such a character is a worthy sacrifice in the cause of stopping Dwarf hegemony?

Formendacil

01-16-2006, 01:48 PM

I'm with SPM on this one... Off with the Elves!

(You DO recall, do you not, that I arbitrarily appointed Thrain to the Feanorian Noldor?)

Furthermore, Thrain is known to be greedy (wants more gold), petty (starts wars over family deaths), stubborn in the extreme (refuses to admit that Erebor is, quite simply, gone), overly pround (most of the above reasons...), and a blithering idiot (see the "Dungeons of Dol Guldur for more info)...

Furthermore, Anguirel likes him.

++ Thrain, son of Thror

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 02:08 PM

I knew I could rely on m'lady's fundamental good sense!

But...but...but...but...base treachery...splutter...

Serves you right.

If you'd like to accomplish something useful (read annoy Formendacil, who seems to have it in for you) why don't you come over to our side. We'll kick off the Elvenking today, Beorn tomorrow (who you've apparently wanted off for sometime), and maybe a troll the day after. You'd be at least helping prevent Formendacil (who is entirely too devoted to making things generally irritating) from getting what he wants.

Lalaith, I'm sure there is a way that Your Ladyship and myself could engage in a little friendly horse swapping to ensure that Beorn is shipped out tomorrow and then perhaps a troll or two could be tossed "soon-ish".

I await your replies with the greatest of anticipation.

dancing spawn of ungoliant

01-16-2006, 02:15 PM

But...but...but...but...base treachery...splutter...

That's the last time I ever suck up to spiders!Awww, shame. The sucking up was so nice! But you see, my dear Anguirel, that if you are going to vote for Beorn anyway, I really don't have to "buy" your vote. Of course, if you have now lost all your faith in spiders, it might affect your voting, but I hope that's not the case. Well, maybe I try to appease you later, okay? :p

Formendacil

01-16-2006, 02:24 PM

If you'd like to accomplish something useful (read annoy Formendacil, who seems to have it in for you) why don't you come over to our side. We'll kick off the Elvenking today, Beorn tomorrow (who you've apparently wanted off for sometime), and maybe a troll the day after. You'd be at least helping prevent Formendacil (who is entirely too devoted to making things generally irritating) from getting what he wants.

My apologies to the lady for intruding on a private conversation, but I must interject that since being irrational and irritating is, in fact, my general plan, it's not impossible that my vote could even be on your side of the fence, should the people on the other side be worth irritating.

I'm just as willing to irritate SPM as I am Anguirel, should the circumstances be right.

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-16-2006, 02:28 PM

++Dori

I will not tell you why ! :p

Anguirel

01-16-2006, 02:39 PM

This cat has had its tail trodden on and will walk by itself for a while...not that I'm ruling out a future alliance, dancing spawn.

Well struck, Rune.

And Formendacil-keep at your quest...

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 03:01 PM

I'm just as willing to irritate SPM as I am Anguirel, should the circumstances be right.

Your Excellency is most interesting. Indeed, I suspect you and I will be able to transact some business at some point along the way. Alas, unless you would vote for the Elvenking or Beorn over today and tomorrow, I’m afraid we might have to put it off for another time. However The Saucepan Man, if I recall correctly, has a certain attachment to some trolls that I might have some pressing business with in a little while. Perhaps we can talk then.

Although, not voting for dwarves and instead voting for a genuine elf (such as the Elvenking) might cause The Saucepan Man to have apoplexy…

++Dori

I will not tell you why !

Hypocrite!! You false socialist you!!! How dare you vote for the Darling and Candidate of the Proletariat!!!! Your own avatar will disown you for this!!!!!

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-16-2006, 03:22 PM

Hypocrite!! You false socialist you!!! How dare you vote for the Darling and Candidate of the Proletariat!!!! Your own avatar will disown you for this!!!!!

Hypocrite! of course I am a hypocrite, that comes with beeing a socialist. :p

You claim Dori to be proletarian, but why? A Dwarf of the House of Durin, who accompanied King Thorin II Oakenshield on the Quest of Erebor (So that they alone could get welthy).

He is of royal blood and clearly a royalist, he needs to bee removed.

You might see Elves as beeing more royal/Bourgeois, but that is not the case both races is ruled by the same methods and the dwarves are more greedy.

Tuor in Gondolin

01-16-2006, 03:40 PM

"Basically, he's dead and therefore starting to smell. That's good enough for me to want to kick him off."

SpM has a point. Given the shortage of
embalming fluid on the island:

- - Dori
+ + Thrain

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 03:52 PM

He is of royal blood and clearly a royalist, he needs to bee removed.

He was only very distantly of royal blood and was only being exploited for his labor. (Somebody needs to go back and check the genealogies). Some individuals here (naming no names) have even called him a “mule” and a “beast of burden.” If he was a royalist (and I have a certain tract in my possession written by a dwarf in that party regarding a scheme for the redistribution of wealth after the death of the dragon) it was only because he was forced to be so.

and the dwarves are more greedy.

You’re wrong about that. The dwarves are actually more egalitarian “inside the family” than the elves. All the dwarves were rich. Clearly they had some early form of wealth redistribution active in their society. Have you ever heard of an elf other than the sovereign being rich? I thought not.

As for dwarves not distributing outside the race…well, the progress of thought can only advance so far during a certain epoch. This happened a long time ago. You can’t hold that against them.

Besides, why on earth would you side with somebody who called a worker a “mule” and a “beast of burden.” That alone is highly questionable.

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-16-2006, 04:06 PM

Have you ever heard of an elf other than the sovereign being rich

Have you ever heard of one being poor? Have you heard of Dwarves refusing to do as their liege commands ?

The fact is that Elves care for alot of things other than mammon.

No mather what you say the fact is that I dont like Dori !

Kuruharan

01-16-2006, 04:19 PM

Have you ever heard of one being poor?

Why, yes, as a matter of fact. Nellas, who was a witness for Turin before Thingol, did not give the appearance of being well off, to cite one example (which I believe is all that is required).

No mather what you say the fact is that I dont like Dori !

*Tsk!* :rolleyes:

Elu Ancalime

01-16-2006, 07:39 PM

Well.....since none of us are too fond of Dwarves here, that makes the Elvenking a bit of an ally, eh? :D
And as for WHICH dwarf, SPM really brought out the point that caught my eye: Vote Dead Dwarves Before Live Ones!!!

++Thrain
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mormegil

01-16-2006, 11:57 PM

++Thrain

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 01:10 AM

Oh well, I do like Thrain but at least it looks like not one but two Dwarves might be lynched...

The Saucepan Man

01-17-2006, 08:13 AM

I'm just as willing to irritate SPM as I am Anguirel, should the circumstances be right.I think that you might find that difficult in this game. With a few exceptions, I remain equally attached to all of the remaining contestants. My main concern is to maintain variety. Hence my current drive to cut down on the ratio of Dwarves to others.

The voting currently stands as follows:

Elrond – 2
Belladonna Took – 1
The Elvenking – 4
Dori – 5
Thrain – 5

So, unless things change radically, the only real contenders for today are Thranduil, Dori and Thrain.

I have no objection to saying goodbye to Thranduil. It is a poor host who magically moves his party in order to avoid having to cater for a group of travellers lost in his lands and nearing starvation. Then, he locks them up simply for being in his realm. And finally, to add insult to injury, he mobilises his army and rides out with it with the sole purpose of taking by force the booty which rightfully belongs to said travellers. Rude, inhospitable, overbearing dictatorial and greedy. Hardly characteristics that we should be looking for in the winner of this competition. No, he must go at some point in the near future.

Then we have two Dwarves. I would point out that the current competitor roster comprises the following:

7 Dwarves
1 Warg
1 Dragon
2 Trolls
1 Werebear
2 Elves
1 Eagle
1 Raven
2 Hobbits

It seems to me that it remains our duty, as loyal fans of this show, to continue thinning out the Dwarves over the coming days. It would hardly be fair if the final were to comprise solely Dwarves. The viewers want variety and that is what we should give them. Kuruharan seems quite content to rail against the agendas (hidden or otherwise) of others here, while it is quite clear that his own agenda is to work towards a final comprising only contestants of his own kind. Well, I am afraid, my dear Dwarf, that you will have to accept the inevitable. Some more Dwarves are gonna have to go before the end if this contest is not to become a farce. I would like to do so in a fair manner, which retains those worthy of being in the final while dispensing with the dross.

I would prefer to keep Dori, being that he was one of the few Dwarves in Thorin’s company who bothered to actually try and look after their esteemed burglar (without whom they would probably all have been either burned to a crisp or massacred by the combined armies of Bard and the Elvenking). Balin I like too, for the friendliness that he showed towards the little fellow. And Gloin, despite insulting Bilbo, is after all Gimli’s father and therefore deserves respect. He is also the firestarter, twisted firestarter. :smokin:

Fili and Kili bravely gave their lives in defence of their Lord and therefore deserve respect too, although there is little to distinguish between them so I would advocate retaining one of them for the time being and letting the other go. I don’t really mind which. And I am reluctant to pick on Bombur just because he is fat. And his laziness combined with the demands he puts on the weekly food budget give rise to tensions and disputes, and therefore encourage good viewing figures.

That leaves Thrain who is, to my mind, the least interesting of the remaining Dwarves. However noble he may have been (which is largely a matter of speculation), I have difficulty working up any enthusiasm for him. He allowed himself to be captured by the Necromancer and driven mad in his dungeons over the loss of Erebor, a circumstance which he was unable to rectify himself, and that hardly speaks in his favour. And it remains an inescapable fact that he is dead and therefore uninteresting from the viewers’ perspective and malodorous from the perspective of his fellow contestants.

So my choice for today remains Thrain. I will have to give thought to which of the other Dwarves I would be willing to see go at this stage, although I do have some affection for all of them. Frankly speaking (and assuming Thrain goes) it gets quite difficult for me from here on in.

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 08:24 AM

So you think Dwarves should be reduced, but exempt all but one from being reduced on various grounds. Other Dwarves than Thrain are, as you yourself say, going to have to go.

And on Thranduil's character-objectionable, yes, but certainly not uninteresting. His real fault in your eyes is that you don't happen to like the cut of his jib.

If he was a similarly morally ambiguous type whom you did like-say, the Master, who I liked also-you would defend him on the grounds that he is interesting to viewers.

Similarly, with characters who have perfectly spotless records but who you find unappealing (eg Aragorn, Faramir), you attack them by accusing them of being uninteresting to the viewers.

Clearly this unvarying, sophistrical method of condemning and defending is-despite whatever higher reasons invoked-ultimately subjective.

That said, Thranduil should stay because his regal gallivanting, despotism and feasting are interesting to the viewers. So there.

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-17-2006, 08:40 AM

The whole buisness about voting off dead dwarves before the living ones is nonsence. We must either see all the dwarves (and other beeings) as living or dead.

It would not make sence to make a surviver show with dead people!

If Thrain is dead then why Is the trolls William and Tom not? We are told how they die in the Hobbit. Allso did we not assume that Aragorn was living in LOTR Surviver, but his death is allso told to us.

The only way that SPM and other fanatics can make a case against this is if all that we are told is somthing that is foreseen and has not yet taken place, but it is not so this is "history" and therefor everybody (exept the elves) is dead! get it? THEY ARE DEAD! ! !

And since it would be silly to have alot of dead people lying on an island and voting each other off it. (how would they do that) Then lets take it for grantet that they are all alive. How they are brought back to life I care not about, use a time warp or what ever you fancy.

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 09:21 AM

Hear hear!

This thing about people being dead and smelling, started as a quip of Formendacil's I believe, is really no longer funny or clever. I mean, it never was that funny or clever, but now it's about as funny and clever as Old Tom Bombadillo.

Elu Ancalime

01-17-2006, 09:52 AM

Actually I was thinking along Rune's idea the whole time: What year is the Survivor taking place? Otherwise dead is irrelevant. I was just to slow and lazy to post it. :p

Therefore, seeing as that idea is not alone,

--Thrain, ++Thrain

That makes no sense you say. I Still vote for Thrain, but on different reasoning. :D
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Lalaith

01-17-2006, 10:46 AM

My dear Kuru, with regard to your proposal, I am open to all kinds of suggestions but none which would involve the demise of Beorn.
If you've got any better offers I'll be delighted to consider them.

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 11:16 AM

My offer (assuming Dori is among those who are evicted today) is to continue the fine, traditional Elf sport, Dwarf-hunting.

I'd like to target Balin but I'm willing to compromise to Gloin, Bombur, Fil or Kili...

Lalaith

01-17-2006, 11:21 AM

Ok, Ang, here's an idea, you stay away from Balin and Beorn, and I'll back you on one of the other dwarves.

Lalaith

01-17-2006, 11:22 AM

PS - I never had you down as a troll-lover...

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 11:31 AM

Offer temporarily accepted.

The Trolls are quite funny and Dwarf-reduction should be the primary priority...

The Saucepan Man

01-17-2006, 01:01 PM

Well hey, pardon me for setting out my full and frank views ... :D

So you think Dwarves should be reduced, but exempt all but one from being reduced on various grounds. Other Dwarves than Thrain are, as you yourself say, going to have to go.Agreed. As I said, it starts getting difficult for me from here on in. I need to think about which Dwarves I would like to see staying around for a while. I'm with Lalaith on Balin and I would like to see one of either Fili or Kili stay in with a chance for the time being. And Bombur amuses me.

Clearly this unvarying, sophistrical method of condemning and defending is-despite whatever higher reasons invoked-ultimately subjective.Er, yes. And your point is ...? :p

The whole buisness about voting off dead dwarves before the living ones is nonsence. We must either see all the dwarves (and other beeings) as living or dead.Everything that you say is, of course, entirely correct. It was an issue that troubled me a while back, but I got over it. The real division, I suppose, is between characters that feature in the tale only by reference because they died before it began, whom I find it difficult to get too worked up about, and those who feature as primary characters in the tale, whom I find myself more attached to. Well, it works for me ...

This thing about people being dead and smelling, started as a quip of Formendacil's I believe, is really no longer funny or clever. I mean, it never was that funny or clever ...Silly old Ang! That's precisely why it is both funny and clever. Well, to me anyway. :rolleyes:

The Trolls are quite funny and Dwarf-reduction should be the primary priority...Agreed.

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 01:10 PM

Silly old Ang! That's precisely why it is both funny and clever. Well, to me anyway. :rolleyes:

I never really see the point of scatological/olfactory humour. Must be the Scot in me...

Lalaith

01-17-2006, 01:19 PM

To retain one troll is funny. To retain two looks like carelessness.

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 01:19 PM

I am now going to use the tactics employed by the Saucepan Man to destroy his rivals in LOTR Survivor.

I'm going to produce ludicrously skewed odds.

The remaining contestants:

Dwarves/Bad Guys
Balin-Even and favourite to win. No one has the gumption or willpower to stop this Dwarf-his victory is eminently predictable.
Bombur-6-1
Dori-500-1
Fili-4-1
Gloin-39-4
Kili-8-3
Thrain (father of Thorin)-600-1
Chief Warg-20-1
Smaug 12-1
William 35-1
Tom 40-1

Men/Elves/Others
Beorn 45-1
Elrond 35-1
Elvenking 80-1
Eagle Lord 19-1
Roac 800-1
Belladonna Took 3-1
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor) 3-1

Now watch the psychological repercussions...

Kuruharan

01-17-2006, 01:48 PM

His real fault in your eyes is that you don't happen to like the cut of his jib.

As fine an example of the pot calling the kettle black as I’ve ever seen. (I think I’ve said that before on this thread).

I am open to all kinds of suggestions but none which would involve the demise of Beorn.

We now know how we will be able to irritate you at some future point in time. He’s not going to win and he will go at some point. ;) I think I’m going to start lobbying for trolls.

Belladonna Took 3-1

I’ll take this one.

Anguirel

01-17-2006, 01:53 PM

Notice I gave Kili slightly lower odds than Fili, because his name is more amusing...

Lalaith

01-17-2006, 05:20 PM

We now know how we will be able to irritate you at some future point in time
Now why would you want to do a nasty thing like that, sir?

I think I’m going to start lobbying for trolls.
To evict, or win?

Elu Ancalime

01-17-2006, 06:42 PM

The Trolls are quite funny and Dwarf-reduction should be the primary priority...

Aye, I think that spells it out well. The trolls did amuse me a bit in the hobbit. As for the odds, I think the trolls and the hobbits really have a chance to win the Survivor. I already have a guess at that....
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Kuruharan

01-17-2006, 09:22 PM

To evict, or win?

Whichever seems like a good idea at the time.

Elu Ancalime

01-18-2006, 08:24 PM

*poke* and the loser is....
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Glirdan

01-18-2006, 09:23 PM

And the loser is two people, for I now cast my vote and cast-out post (I've been studying for exams).

++Thranduil

For being the father of the little prissy boy elf, Legolas.

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Once again, two people were to be cast out. This time, they were from the rival races: an Elf and a Dwarf. Thrain and Thranduil were the one to be evicted. "Thrain is really starting to smell. We NEED to get rid of these dead people! And Thranduil is just being his annoying little self. Not to mention he's the father of a little prissy boy elf!!" The votes that night at tribal council were still a little spread however:

Elrond - 2
Belladonna - 1
Thranduil - 5
Dori - 4
Thrain - 5

With that, Thranduil was usurped from his throne in Mirkwood and Thrain went back to to Aule and lived with him while the powers of the Valar lasted.

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Contestants voted out:
Bofur
Ori
Durin (The first King Under the Mountain)
Nori
Fundin
Gandalf
Nain (father of Dain)
Bungo Bagins
Chief of Guards
Thorin
Bilbo
Golfimbul
Carc
Gollum
The Master
Dwalin
Bifur
Great Goblin
Bard
Azog
Oin
Dain
Necromancer
Old Took
Bert
Galion (Elvenking's Butler)
Girion
Thror (grandsire of Thorin)
Bolg
Elvenking
Thrain (father of Thorin)

The remaining contestants:

Dwarves/Bad Guys
Balin
Bombur
Dori
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom

Men/Elves/Others
Beorn
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

We have 15 more contestants. Get voting!!

Anguirel

01-19-2006, 01:08 AM

Hang on. I have an objection. By Saucey's count, since when no votes have changed, Dori was also on 5. This should be a triple eviction...

Anguirel

01-19-2006, 05:35 AM

I've recounted and, alas, Saucey got it wrong. Dori is still with us, boringly enough.

I hope that the goody-goodies who failed to take down Dori because he's a "sweet, nice little Hobbit-carrier" will not be so squeamish about another candidate.

I speak of he who said the following immortal slur:

"The moment I set eyes on him, bobbing about on the doormat, I had my doubts. He looks more like a grocer than a burglar!"

In this way Gloin, the haughty aristocratic warrior of the line of Durin

1. Endorsed theft, specifically burglary

2. Discriminated against a co-worker on a height-related basis ("bobbing about on the doormat")

3. Implied discrimination on racial basis (that Bilbo is a Hobbit)

4. Displayed hauteur and contempt for honest trade off which Gloin and his penniless aristo leech friends feed, to wit grocery

5. Mocked home comforts, to wit doormat

6. Showed hypocrisy ("I had my doubts"-why didn't he raise them earlier?)

This line alone is a fine basis for eviction. Later evidence also shows that his son Gimli-though thankfully intelligent and open-minded enough to change-was brought up to be a hardened Dwarf supremacist.

In conclusion-

++GLOIN

Tuor of Gondolin

01-19-2006, 07:16 AM

Since William is obviously the intellectual
of the two remaining trolls, having the foresight
to plan for ah, foraging, by moving down from
the hills above the East Road.

And since there must be a limited supply of
sheep on the island, it's best to cut down on
the number of trolls, particularly since they
might get bored with eating mutton or if the
sheep supply ran short they'd
look for other kinds of snacks. While men and elf
survivors might be safe, dwarves (especially the dead
ones) and burrahobbits might be in danger of
sudden removal as contestants.

+ + Tom

The Saucepan Man

01-19-2006, 07:44 AM

I've recounted and, alas, Saucey got it wrong. Dori is still with us, boringly enough.Doh! Must have been all those changes of vote. :rolleyes:

Still, good result yesterday when all is said and done.

As for Gloin:

1. Endorsed theft, specifically burglaryThe quoted statement doesn't imply anything of the kind. The Quest of Erebor itself, being as it required a burglar, admittedly does implicitly condone theft. But that implicates all of the remaining Dwarves.

2. Discriminated against a co-worker on a height-related basis ("bobbing about on the doormat")Since when was bobbing on doormats exclusively the preserve of the vertically-challenged? The words are merely descriptive of the state in which Gloin first encountered Bilbo.

3. Implied discrimination on racial basis (that Bilbo is a Hobbit)Not really. The statement is directed specifically towards Bilbo, not Hobbits in general.

4. Displayed hauteur and contempt for honest trade off which Gloin and his penniless aristo leech friends feed, to wit groceryGloin was merely stating that Bilbo seemed more like a grocer than a burglar to him. A reasonable comment to make in the circumstances and not, in itself, insulting towards grocers.

5. Mocked home comforts, to wit doormatEh? You are definately reading far too much into this.

6. Showed hypocrisy ("I had my doubts"-why didn't he raise them earlier?)He was showing courtesy and restraint. He was prepared to give Bilbo a chance to show his mettle as a burglar.

Later evidence also shows that his son Gimli-though thankfully intelligent and open-minded enough to change-was brought up to be a hardened Dwarf supremacist.Hmm, you rather over-egg the case here. But, to the extent that there is truth in what you say, the same applies to most Dwarves and certainly to the majority of Thorin's company (Balin being the possible exception).

I hold no particular candle for Gloin, although I feel that he ought to be accorded due respect as Gimli's father. And his words to Frodo at Rivendell show that he has mellowed with age. In any event, there are a number of Dwarves that I would rather see go before Gloin.

As I mentioned before, Fili and Kili are both brave and noble Dwarves, but they are pretty much interchangeable so we can afford to lose one of them. Randomly, I shall choose:

++ KILI

Anguirel

01-19-2006, 08:09 AM

What was the point in splitting the anti-Dwarf vote?

At this rate pro-Dwarfers will combine for an all Dwarf final.

In the end, Gloin is an inessential Dwarf and will have to be gone. It does not matter whether he goes sooner or later. What does matter is if the current trend continues, and, say, the Bullroarer is evicted instead.

The only possible good I can see coming out of this is a Gloin-Kili double eviction...

Lalaith

01-19-2006, 10:45 AM

Oh wise Tuor! At last, a troll bandwaggon.

++TOM

Kuruharan

01-19-2006, 10:51 AM

One of the most vitally important viewing groups is hopping mad!! The producers and advertisers are having fits of the vapors!!

I speak, of course, of the all-important "Paunchy, balding middle-aged husband" viewers. They are fit to be tied over the continuing presence of that manly-man, not-at-all-paunchy, aggressively hairy, and utterly single hunk...Beorn!! The wives can't get enough of him and the husbands have had all they can stand and they can't stand no more!!!

The producers have all curled up into tiny balls in the corner and are whimpering pathetically!! The advertisers have fainted so much that they've run the world out of smelling salts!!

We must ease their passing...uhh, suffering!!

++ Beorn

Anguirel

01-19-2006, 11:29 AM

I think it's a blatant case of "OK, a Dwarf can go, but it has to be my Dwarf" by Saucey, but...

--GLOIN, ++KILI

The Saucepan Man

01-19-2006, 11:50 AM

I think it's a blatant case of "OK, a Dwarf can go, but it has to be my Dwarf" by Saucey, but...Well, yes, in a way. I would prefer to see Kili go today rather than Gloin. That's why I voted for Kili rather than Gloin. Isn't that kind of the point of the show?

I'm prepared to reconsider should another Dwarf emerge as favourite for today's eviction. But don't bank on me changing my vote, as I am unlikely to be on much, if at all, over the next few days.

As for Tom, well I have no major issue with him being voted off. He is the least interesting of the two remaining Trolls. But I do think it sensible to continue thinning out the Dwarves before focusing on the less well-represented races/creatures.

Anguirel

01-19-2006, 11:58 AM

I just think your preferences are undermining the wider Dwarf-evicting cause! We could have swept off on a united Gloin bandwagon. Believe me, votes for Kili will be harder to achieve.

Lalaith

01-19-2006, 12:50 PM

The advertisers have fainted so much
Poppycock, my dear Kuru. The wives are still watching, the wives do the shopping. The advertisers are happy as mudlarks.

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-19-2006, 12:50 PM

Lets see if we can get some more trolls of this island.

++TOM

dancing spawn of ungoliant

01-19-2006, 01:39 PM

WaynetheGoblin

01-19-2006, 03:22 PM

++gloin

Kuruharan

01-19-2006, 03:26 PM

The wives are still watching, the wives do the shopping.

*gasp* Blatantly sexist remark!!! Please allow me to make my own...

The husbands do all the earning and are threatening to cut up all the wives credit cards! In fact, they now have an activist group (Furious and Tubby or F.A.T.) that is calling on enraged anti-Beorn husbands everywhere to do just that!! F.A.T. will not be stopped until Beorn has been given the unceremonious ejection he so richly deserves.

(I have a feeling I'm about to accomplish my goal of removing any semblance of sanity from this thread. :cool: )

Formendacil

01-19-2006, 03:27 PM

Now, let us get rid of the self-centered ulcer of The Hobbit. In addition to all the arguments that have been presented against him, every decent bear has been asleep for a long time now and if he starts to snore, this show will be far from entertainment. Therefore:

++BEORN

What's this? An ancient bandwaggon, long forgotten? How I remember the days of trying to vote this furry bugger off of the island, but it appears that such attempts were for naught, and the Beorning Menace remains as potent as ever!

Let us rid ourselves of this long-since-he-should-have-been-gone bandwaggon, so that there's room in the garage for another.

++ Beorn

Lalaith

01-19-2006, 04:03 PM

The husbands do all the earning

WHAT!!!!
Ok Kuru, this is war.

Elu Ancalime

01-19-2006, 07:20 PM

At last, a another chance to evict Beorn Dwarf-Stalker, who surely would have eaten up the Quest to Erebor had they no hobbit or wizard. Bu tdwarves seem to be the enemy; they dont seem to be given a warm welcome here at the Downs. However Beorn did help them, but to the persausion and tactics of Gandalf. Therefore, by Beorn helping the convict dwarves on their quest of greed and to poach the endangered Fire-Drake Smaug, he should not only be an enemy of the tribes, but an enemy of liberty, selflessness, and all the Free Peoples of the world.

++Beorn

and for the record:
I just think your preferences are undermining the wider Dwarf-evicting cause! We could have swept off on a united Gloin bandwagon. Believe me, votes for Kili will be harder to achieve.

I would soon vote for Gloin than I would Kili. Kili earned a hero's death! Gloin....just seems more vote-able. :rolleyes:
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Celuien

01-19-2006, 09:30 PM

The husbands do all the earning and are threatening to cut up all the wives credit cards! In fact, they now have an activist group (Furious and Tubby or F.A.T.) that is calling on enraged anti-Beorn husbands everywhere to do just that!! F.A.T. will not be stopped until Beorn has been given the unceremonious ejection he so richly deserves.

Argghh. I really wanted to vote for Beorn today. But can I after that???

Maybe I can. Beorn is still a shape-shifting hippie, and still uselessly annoying. He came in last in all of the most recent nature trail races due to his constant detours to look for honey. And in addition, F.A.T. members will certainly be irritated if their ends are only achieved through an accidental alliance with their arch-enemies...

++BEORN

Holbytlass

01-19-2006, 11:09 PM

Keep up with the dwarf down-sizing! Give Kili a pink slip.

++KILI

Anguirel

01-20-2006, 01:26 AM

We need to unite, and the Gloin voters are more intransigent. I say Dwarf reducers should follow me if we're to match the Beorn bandwagon.

--KILI, ++GLOIN

Down with the hide-bound grocer hater!

Formendacil

01-20-2006, 02:20 AM

To play the Devil's Advocate, I will make this appeal to the Davem demographic of voters (not that Davem is voting in this game, nor has a demographic appeared that follows his views... but whatever: I'm having fun).

Kili is a character found only in The Hobbit, where he comes to his unfortunately sticky end. As such, he is never seen as a living or breathing character in the true Legendarium- and is only met through Appendix A III. Gloin, however, is a living and breathing dwarf that we are privileged to meet in Rivendell.

Furthermore, Gloin is a rare example of a character who gets wiser with age, for surely anyone can see that he had become less critical and more kindly in his old age.

I agree that the Dwarves need culling- although I'm standing by my Beorn vote for now- but if push comes to shove, then I think I'll transfer my vote to Kili, to save the older Dwarf's skin.

Anyway, if the argument of "Thranduil is Legolas' father = eviction" is valid, then Gloin ought to be kept for the same reason.

Anguirel

01-20-2006, 02:26 AM

Anyway, if the argument of "Thranduil is Legolas' father = eviction" is valid...

It's not.

WaynetheGoblin

01-20-2006, 06:17 AM

I cant take it i will vote for who i want.
--gloin
++beorn

Anguirel

01-20-2006, 07:23 AM

So much for my stroke of realpolitik.

--GLOIN, ++KILI

Celuien

01-20-2006, 07:56 AM

Wayne just voted for Beorn. Wayne-annoying is one of my hobbies. :p So...

--BEORN
++KILI

Kili sounds too much like Kiwi. I can't respect a Dwarf who's named for a bird and a green fruit.

mormegil

01-20-2006, 08:12 AM

++Beorn

I've been trying to get this Ox off for a long time now.

Tuor in Gondolin

01-20-2006, 10:22 AM

Since it appears Tom won't be evicted
in this round:

- - Tom
+ + Kili

Elu Ancalime

01-20-2006, 02:48 PM

We need to unite, and the Gloin voters are more intransigent. I say Dwarf reducers should follow me if we're to match the Beorn bandwagon.

Aye, but the dwarf voters remain either indesicive or stubborn, and as they do, they protect the eviction of Beorn. As long as the Beorn-voters do not change their vote, the tribe will speak for Beorn.
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mormegil

01-20-2006, 03:38 PM

Dwarf elimination is all well and good but has become a triffle bit tedious. We need some fresh meat to evict then back to dwarf tossing...just don't tell the elf. :rolleyes: :D

Eonwe

01-20-2006, 03:40 PM

Prostest vote! Be it known, this is only a protest vote! Kili.... :mad: *mutterings, grumblings, cursing, and possible theats*

++Beorn

Kuruharan

01-20-2006, 03:56 PM

Kili sounds too much like Kiwi. I can't respect a Dwarf who's named for a bird and a green fruit.

What about a dwarf whose name is similar to the nickname for the great nation of New Zealand, without which the movies would never have been made? (see if this doesn’t encourage The Saucepan Man to change his vote on general principle of defending the movies :cool: )

Elu Ancalime

01-20-2006, 04:42 PM

Indeed! Kili retired his name when he was slain. 'Kili', being translated into Aboriginal tougne and then into the local farmer dialect in Wellington, Zealand is the product. (Now of course it had to be New Zealand, because there was already a city in Far Harad(present day Horn of Africa) called Zealand) Kili is one dwarf worth leaving alone, and his brother too. They were the only dwarves in TH that made the ultimate sacrifice(Thorin was a biit too pushy and gruff thus not fondly remembered). Leave Kili alone! Fight against your enemies, not the enemies of your enemies! Beorn did not offer to fight until the end, and while he may have gained attention by rescuing Thorin's body, he secretly let Bolg escape from battle!

Why do you harass a war hero and let the true criminal idle away?
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Lalaith

01-20-2006, 07:09 PM

If all the dwarves get voted off, blame Kuru for not joining the Tom bandwaggon.

--TOM
++KILI

Kuruharan

01-20-2006, 08:22 PM

blame Kuru for not joining the Tom bandwaggon.

I beg your pardon madam, but I made a promise and, unlike some people hereabouts, I know how to keep it.

If you had only been willing to be a little more flexible and open-minded in regards to the hairy barbarian I would have been more than willing to help you slaughter trolls afterwards. In fact, my offer is still open if you would care to change your vote…

However, Beware…if you persist in your difficult behavior, the wrath of F.A.T. will descend upon you! Believe me, you don’t want that!! :p

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-20-2006, 08:55 PM

If all the dwarves get voted off, blame Kuru for not joining the Tom bandwaggon.

I could hardly care less for Dwarves. . . I blame you for Tom not getting votet off this island. :mad:

Celuien

01-20-2006, 09:05 PM

What about a dwarf whose name is similar to the nickname for the great nation of New Zealand, without which the movies would never have been made? (see if this doesn’t encourage The Saucepan Man to change his vote on general principle of defending the movies :cool: )

Worse and worse. It's well-known that the only Dwarf to every visit the great nation of New Zealand (a beautiful place) was the imitator-dwarf, an embarrassment to noble Dwarven folk everywhere, PJ Gimli. PJ Gimli being best known, of course, for bad manners, falling down, being tossed, losing to Legolas in every possible contest, and general buffonery.

Of course, this may be the best way to to get SPM to change his vote.

Kuruharan

01-20-2006, 09:18 PM

Of course, this may be the best way to to get SPM to change his vote.

Please continue.

Celuien

01-20-2006, 09:42 PM

Please continue.

What, criticizing movie Gimli to bother SPM? I'd rather not. :D

Anguirel

01-23-2006, 08:06 AM

Um, ahem?

Tuor in Gondolin

01-23-2006, 09:07 AM

Elu Ancalime

01-23-2006, 03:38 PM

Announcer: "Who will be thrown off the Island next? Will it be Kili who seems to
be cursed being in the Dwarven tribe, Beorn the gruff bear-man, or another
participant unlooked for!?

Now a word from our sponsers:

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...and a sneak peak of the upcoming show on Discovery Channel:

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Formendacil

01-23-2006, 03:53 PM

Ahem.

As Moderator of Werewolf XVI: No Man is An Island, the fifteenth in direct descent from Tol-in-Gaurhoth, Isle of Werewolves, I- as senior Moderator of a Game on the Barrow-Downs, by the Authority invested in me by reason of the Barrow-Wight's founding of the first Werewolf game, do herewith assume authority in the absence of Glirdan, Moderator of Survivor III: The Hobbit, to end this day of voting. By this authority I summarily cast out, through pure objectivity, the persons of Tom, Beorn, and Kuruharan.

What do you mean Kuruharan isn't a contestant- he's a Dwarf, isn't he?

What do you mean the Moderator can't summarily cast off contestants?

What do you mean being a Werewolf Mod has nothing to do with this?

Okay, you may now return to your regularly scheduled doldrums.

This message was brought to you in part by FFZBD (Formendacils For a Zanier Barrow-Downs. The FFZBD is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by the Formendacil Association For Annoying Players of Survivor).

Glirdan

01-23-2006, 09:00 PM

Sorry for not checking in. I'ev been busy with exams and taking over for WWJ III and as previous mods will be able to tell you, it is rather strenuous work. I hearby give authority to Formendacil to replace me when I have not posted the cast out with in two days time.

Now, to adress Form directly, Tom and Beorn are both cast out, yes?

Formendacil

01-23-2006, 09:38 PM

Formendacil

01-23-2006, 09:48 PM

Rats.

After a recount, I discover that, yes, my candidate Beorn was, indeed, evicted, but that he's quite alone in that fact.

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The votes at the tribal council that night were spread out. There was much talk about "dwarf-culling"- a motion heavily objected to by various members of that species, but it was not the day for a Dwarf's demise, but for the end of Beorn, who had remained around far too long- so said his detractors.

Kili: IIII
Tom: I
Beorn: IIIII III

In a fit of indignation, Beorn turned into a bear, departed the island, climbed a mountain, and was never seen again.

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Contestants voted out:
Bofur
Ori
Durin (The first King Under the Mountain)
Nori
Fundin
Gandalf
Nain (father of Dain)
Bungo Bagins
Chief of Guards
Thorin
Bilbo
Golfimbul
Carc
Gollum
The Master
Dwalin
Bifur
Great Goblin
Bard
Azog
Oin
Dain
Necromancer
Old Took
Bert
Galion (Elvenking's Butler)
Girion
Thror (grandsire of Thorin)
Bolg
Elvenking
Thrain (father of Thorin)
Beorn

The remaining contestants:

Dwarves/Bad Guys
Balin
Bombur
Dori
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom

Men/Elves/Others
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

We have 14 more contestants. Time to start getting rid of another.

Kuruharan

01-23-2006, 10:49 PM

I bring grave news from F.A.T. In the drunken celebration after the bestial barbarian's departure, a vicious brawl ensued. F.A.T. has now split in two. There now exists the original F.A.T. and the militant centrist fringe REvenge After Losing, otherwise known as R.E.A.L. F.A.T. Apparently the leader of these wild-eyed, spud-throwing radicals has suffered much harm in a Cassandra-esque role in some silly game known as werewolf. This unhinged extremism has lead this group to demand the instant eviction of the...

++ Chief Warg

The threatened lawsuits and random acts of potato violence have caused the producers to instantly cast themselves on the mercy of their therapists and have started chugging a volatile cocktail of Prozac, Ritalin, and sulfuric acid.

Really...this lupine fiend must go before our trusty and well-beloved producers spontaneously combust.

Anguirel

01-24-2006, 01:50 AM

One tribe now outnumbers the other two to one. Dwarfs form almost half the contestants. Everyone, we have to grow up and unite behind a single Dwarf bandwagon if we wish Kuruharan to be refused his wish. That's the way it goes.

++BOMBUR

WaynetheGoblin

01-24-2006, 06:37 AM

++cheif warg
well i never liked him.

Tuor of Gondolin

01-24-2006, 06:55 AM

While Bombur is one of the more
interesting dwarfs everyone else
on the island will be on half rations
until he goes. So:

+ + Bombur

Celuien

01-24-2006, 08:17 AM

++BOMBUR

F.A.T. and R.E.A.L.F.A.T. must be stopped.

Kuruharan

01-24-2006, 10:32 AM

F.A.T. and R.E.A.L.F.A.T. must be stopped.

I fear m’lady’s understanding of the situation lacks sophistication. F.A.T. and R.E.A.L. F.A.T. are enemies. If you do something against one, the other one will like you. Or at least they will if they happen to be paying attention at the time. Currently, most members of F.A.T. are ogling pictures of Belladonna Took in this month’s issue of Playhobbitlass and consequently don’t have a whole lot of time for anything else.

The members of R.E.A.L. F.A.T. are occupied trying to figure out how to make dynamite out of potato skins.

arcticstorm

01-24-2006, 10:39 AM

Once again i see the inhabitants of earth and middle earth hating the leader of the only truly great race ever, the warg. If their is any doubt as to what i say about the glory of the warg http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10473

now honestly would any of you want to eliminate the leader of this great race?
If Bombur is the only alternative to save this great leadeer of wargs, than so be it
++Bombur

Celuien

01-24-2006, 10:51 AM

If you do something against one, the other one will like you. Or at least they will if they happen to be paying attention at the time.

Ah, but therein lies the true sneakiness of my plans. Both will fall to the confusion generated by my shifting alliances. First one, and then the other. (Belladonna Took, beware.)

I need an evil smiley. ;)

mormegil

01-24-2006, 01:27 PM

++Bombur

Food stores are running low.

Kuruharan

01-24-2006, 02:08 PM

Both will fall to the confusion generated by my shifting alliances.

In order for that to work, you'd have to do something that one or the other of them likes first.

Formendacil

01-24-2006, 02:38 PM

++Bombur

Food stores are running low.

An excellent idea! Bombur could feed the camp for a week, if they butchered him right!

(Okay, that's a little gory.... but still...)

++ Bombur

Celuien

01-24-2006, 04:00 PM

Public Service Announcement: Attention all members of F.A.T.

Friends! Your valiant struggle against the dangerous splinter group R.E.A.L. F.A.T. has not gone unnoticed. Indeed, this observer has noted their behavior today, namely their attempt to evict the Chief Warg from the Survivor cast, with great alarm. Their stubborn insistence on attacking the closest thing to "Man's Best Friend" on this show clearly demonstrates that they cannot be trusted. Therefore, I have cast my vote for Bombur, hoping to defeat their dangerous scheme. Please remember my support.

Thank you for your attention.

Kuruharan

01-24-2006, 04:05 PM

F.A.T. loathes the effort to get rid of Bombur because they view him as being "one of them."

R.E.A.L. F.A.T. doesn't really care about who stays, they just want the Chief Warg gone and gone now.

Eonwe

01-24-2006, 04:06 PM

Well, it is clear that any evictee must come from teh Dwarves/Bad Guys catagory. 9 to 6, no make that five!, is a pretty large majority, especially when you look at it on the lists. :D

Bombur has never been a special favorite of mine...

++Bombur

Elu Ancalime

01-24-2006, 08:50 PM

I havent exactly figured out what F.A.T. stands for, but I assume one of the FAT's is against the dwarven populace on the island.
I want to reform whichever it is(if there is one in this view) into my own extremist faction.

Downers Against Idle Naugrim

D.A.I.N.

No Dwarf (not remaining anyway...) has claim to the prize as Survivor of the Hobbit. My vote will go to a dwarf everytime! And it does not matter to me who, but whomever is likeliest to be evicted. Until there are two dwarves remaining, then i might consider another to receive my vote.

++Bombur
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Celuien

01-24-2006, 10:21 PM

I havent exactly figured out what F.A.T. stands for...
This post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=440164&postcount=587) explains the origins of F.A.T.

With regard to their rejection of my attempted alliance, all I can say is that if they fail to understand that the enemy of their enemy is their friend, then I may be forced to side with R.E.A.L. F.A.T. tomorrow.* However, my vote will stand for today.

*No guarantees made or implied. Offer subject to change as a result of, but not limited to, the following conditions 1) preference for randomness 2) continued disagreement with R.E.A.L. F.A.T. courses of action.

Kuruharan

01-24-2006, 10:54 PM

No guarantees made or implied. Offer subject to change as a result of, but not limited to, the following conditions 1) preference for randomness 2) continued disagreement with R.E.A.L. F.A.T. courses of action.

The utter lack of consistency displayed on this thread is appalling. However, nobody is going to be able to stop the inevitable triumph of Belladonna Took (the preferred candidate of F.A.T.) for two reasons. A) She’s a sexy hobbit lass (or dowdy hobbit matron depending on which decade you happen to catch her in) and B) She’s so bland that everybody will repeatedly forget about her and a bandwagon against her will utterly fail to materialize.

Actually, there are three reasons…the irrational dwarfism being displayed by certain persons among the electors is actually going to play right into F.A.T.’s hands. It is entirely possible that F.A.T. will be able to successfully use this to maneuver things to control the voting right up until the end.

You may as well place your pre-orders for The Belladonna Took “I Just Won Hobbit Survivor” Swimsuit Calendar. Call now! Operators are standing by.

Anguirel

01-25-2006, 01:56 AM

Since the Dwarf-reducers currently lead by eight votes to two, I now intend to utterly contradict my earlier pleas.

Let's go for a double eviction.

--BOMBUR, ++DORI

WaynetheGoblin

01-25-2006, 06:15 AM

--chief warg
++bombur
Dont want to be left out of bandwagoning.

Tuor of Gondolin

01-25-2006, 07:05 AM

Friends! Your valiant struggle against the dangerous splinter group R.E.A.L. F.A.T. has not gone unnoticed. Indeed, this observer has noted their behavior today, namely their attempt to evict the Chief Warg from the Survivor cast, with great alarm. Their stubborn insistence on attacking the closest thing to "Man's Best Friend"

Shouldn't that be "Goblin's best friend?"
(especially if you're a Rhovanianite).

Celuien

01-25-2006, 07:20 AM

Shouldn't that be "Goblin's best friend?"
(especially if you're a Rhovanianite).

Of course not. The Warg and Warg Riders Appreciation Thread explains it all. Besides, I'm going for F.A.T. votes here, not goblins...

Tuor of Gondolin

01-25-2006, 09:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuor of Gondolin
Shouldn't that be "Goblin's best friend?"
(especially if you're a Rhovanianite).

Of course not. The Warg and Warg Riders Appreciation Thread explains it all. Besides, I'm going for F.A.T. votes here, not goblins...

=========
Well, as someone in Middle-earth once said:
"That's an eye opener."
Rumor had it that the Warg and Warg Riders Appreciation Thread
was a myth (like the Loch Ness Monster, alligators in New York
subways, Bigfoot, American Republicans believing in civil liberties and a
balanced budget, the Bermuda Triangle, etc.).

Kuruharan

01-25-2006, 02:22 PM

Dont want to be left out of bandwagoning.

So nice to see the free-spirit non-conformists putting in an appearance.

Let's go for a double eviction.

--BOMBUR, ++DORI

And they brought the Capitalist Exploiter with them. How nice.

Anguirel

01-25-2006, 03:17 PM

Alienation not Naugrimation!

There is no such thing as society, and if there is it's most certainly nothing to do with me, as the great King Irvinemahtar Welshdacil did write.

Elu Ancalime

01-25-2006, 05:09 PM

Downers Against Idle Naugrim has released this important release of intentions:

-If double elimination is possible, it shall be supported

-Belladonna Took is the now endorsed by D.A.I.N. to win The Hobbit Survivor

--Bombur, ++Dori
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Celuien

01-25-2006, 05:31 PM

Double Eviction!

--BOMBUR ++DORI

Elu Ancalime

01-25-2006, 05:41 PM

The Current Bombur/Dori Ratio:

6:3

Ok, we need another voter to --Bombur ++Dori, and somehow get another vote...stupid odd numbers :rolleyes:
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mormegil

01-25-2006, 06:02 PM

--Bombur

++Dori

That may help

Sorry Kuru old chap but soon I'll stop my dwarf tossing...who knows maybe a dwarf will win.

Kuruharan

01-25-2006, 06:27 PM

You do realize, of course, that if there is a tie I will swoop down and change my vote to prevent a double-lynching (if for no other reason than to annoy Anguirel and keep Dori around :p...he's so adorable when he's frustrated.)

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-25-2006, 07:13 PM

Let it be done

++Dori

Elu Ancalime

01-25-2006, 07:37 PM

So the Bombur/Dori ratio is now 5:5, but Kuru plans to foil it.

BUT

Who will Glirdan vote for?

(Assuming he can spare some time...)

It seems the double-lynch descision will be in his hands, not Kuru's.

It's like the 2000 presidential election!
<You might have heard of it even if you aren't in the US.....>

And.....If Formendacil is the Mod when Glirdan cant make it....I belive the voting has gone on since 10 PM on the 23? Even if that's the incorrect time as far as Zones, this has been in full swing for more than a day. So if Formendacil uses emergency mod powers to end this day.......
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Formendacil

01-25-2006, 07:55 PM

And.....If Formendacil is the Mod when Glirdan cant make it....I belive the voting has gone on since 10 PM on the 23? Even if that's the incorrect time as far as Zones, this has been in full swing for more than a day. So if Formendacil uses emergency mod powers to end this day.......

Sorry, Elu... not for another two hours.

Besides, I'm willing to give Glirdan a little extra time before snatching away his Modship. After all, I'm still not done with my own little Werewolf game, and I'll have the NEXT Survivor on my hands all too soon...

Elu Ancalime

01-25-2006, 08:23 PM

I understand......I just want double eviction......... :p

The D.A.I.N. will speak yet!

Would that be Survivor: Rulers of Middle-Earth? Including The Master, Elendil, Will Whitefoot, etc. Heh, nevermind thats too far ahead, and anyway you've probably got somthing better up you sleeve ;)
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Glirdan

01-25-2006, 09:08 PM

Well, I will cast my vote and give Kuru a chance to cast his. I we might get another double lynch today, but who knows.

++Dori

Who goes and drops a Hobbit? Honestly!?

So Kuru, the fate of these islanders rests in your hands.

Kuruharan

01-25-2006, 09:18 PM

No change for me. You won't be getting any double evictions off me I'm afraid since it is now Dori 6 and Bombur 5...I'll leave it that way.

Glirdan

01-25-2006, 09:23 PM

Ok, cast out post coming up shortly.

Glirdan

01-25-2006, 09:31 PM

Today, three people were disscussed thoroughly, and the tribe finally came to the conclusion that it would be better to get rid of Dori. "It's your fault that he got dropped on the ground and got that concussion!!" Belladonna screamed. "Not to mention all the other things you've done. I don't remember exactly what they were, but there was a lot!!" That night at tribal council:

Warg - 1
Bombur - 5
Dori - 6

So, Dori arose in anger and stomped off. Oh his way to the boat, he went through a tunnel as a short cut. The roof was so low, even he had to duck. Right when he thought he was at the end of the tunnel, he stood up and knocked himself out and put himself in a coma.

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Contestants voted out:
Bofur
Ori
Durin (The first King Under the Mountain)
Nori
Fundin
Gandalf
Nain (father of Dain)
Bungo Bagins
Chief of Guards
Thorin
Bilbo
Golfimbul
Carc
Gollum
The Master
Dwalin
Bifur
Great Goblin
Bard
Azog
Oin
Dain
Necromancer
Old Took
Bert
Galion (Elvenking's Butler)
Girion
Thror (grandsire of Thorin)
Bolg
Elvenking
Thrain (father of Thorin)
Beorn
Dori

The remaining contestants:

Dwarves/Bad Guys
Balin
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom

Men/Elves/Others
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

Day 29 starts. 13 more people. We're almost there. One more person and the last merging of the tribes will take place.

Anguirel

01-26-2006, 01:25 AM

A repeat performance. Charge, me braves! Then when we've a comfortable quantity of votes we'll go for another double eviction. Hope it works this time!

++GLOIN

Oh and Glirdan, there are fourteen contestants now, not thirteen, I think...

WaynetheGoblin

01-26-2006, 06:21 AM

Well I posted here lately.
++Gloin
I will bandwagon all the time yay.

Glirdan

01-26-2006, 06:51 AM

You are right. Oops! I'l change that. As for my vote...

++Elrond

This has lasted far to long, espicially since he's had a chance at the prize two times already!! Get rid of him I say!!

Tuor of Gondolin

01-26-2006, 07:21 AM

+ + Roac

Does anyone think he'd stand a chance in the
finals against the Eagle Lord, Smaug,
and the most feared contestant:
Belladonna Took? :eek:

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-26-2006, 08:28 AM

Your right as allways Tuor, Roac does not stand a chance. That does not mean that we need to get rid of Roac, no we need to get rid of that disgusting hobbit.

++Belladonna Took

mormegil

01-26-2006, 09:09 AM

++Belladona Took

First she's a Took and then she's Bilbo's mother, I mean to raise such an unrespectable hobbit is a crime in and of itself

Celuien

01-26-2006, 09:10 AM

Hurray!

++BELLADONNA TOOK

For being the inspiration for Arsenic and Old Lace.

Anguirel

01-26-2006, 09:15 AM

This is madness, I know, but I feel myself caught up in the Bacchic fury...

--GLOIN, ++BELLADONNA TOOK

Rather galling that Kuru's negative psychology paid off at last...

Holbytlass

01-26-2006, 09:43 AM

I'm glad to return to see Dori gone but wait a minute!! A call to all females-why should the only female alotted to us in this story-and by name only-be voted off?
Save the she-contestant!

++Tom

Kuruharan

01-26-2006, 10:40 AM

With a sound like the rumblings of the later stages of the digestive processes emanating from the back end of a moose...the wrath of F.A.T. has been aroused!!!

Millions of lacivi...err, respectable and lovelorn husbands from across the fruited plain (and mountains and swamps and what have you...) are sounding the call to arms! Belladonna Took must be saved!!!

And lo! They have been joined by most unexpected allies. Millions of bloodthirsty femini...err, I mean millions of outraged women tired of putting up with the exploitative patriarchy are sounding a remarkably similar call to arms! Belladonna Took must be saved!!! Behold! They have formed their own wild-eyed, radical activist group called Help All Gals (H.A.G.).

The forces of H.A.G. have joined together in uneasy alliance with their husban...I mean with F.A.T. in order to save that most buxom of hobbit maidens, Belladonna Took.

(R.E.A.L. F.A.T., disgruntled over its utter failure to evict the Chief Warg yesterday, is just sitting in a corner pouting and plotting their revenge, relieved that H.A.G....I mean their wives...are out of the house for awhile).

Seeing an alternative has already presented itself, F.A.T. and H.A.G. hop on the bandwagon (well, at this moment it might be more like the band-little-red-wagon, but still...)

++ TOM

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-26-2006, 10:45 AM

I'm glad to return to see Dori gone but wait a minute!! A call to all females-why should the only female alotted to us in this story-and by name only-be voted off?
Save the she-contestant!

So because there is only one female in this story she should be given victory? I am sorry it does not make sence! Why not let Smaug win he is the only dragon ?

Of course there is a problem with the amount of women in this book, but the solution is not to give her victory. (at least not only because she is a woman)

Please try not to be influenced by the gender of the contestands and choose who you really think should win frome other criterias.

Anguirel

01-26-2006, 11:09 AM

Those seeking to save Belladonna will regain my vote only if they switch en masse to one of the Dwarves...

Tuor of Gondolin

01-26-2006, 11:15 AM

Belladonna Took must be saved!!!

So [/B] - - Roac
+ + Tom [B]
Although if one of the remarkable daughters
of the old Took can be saved by a dwarf
eviction I am amenable to change.

Lalaith

01-26-2006, 11:51 AM

Seems like I've arrived just in time. 'The famous Belladonna Took' in danger of eviction, whatever next?
You see, unlike a lot of these wannabes, Bella's already a celebrity. And doesn't it show? No camera-hogging or attention-seeking antics. Her pluckiness, spirit of adventure and insouciant cheerfulness on the island has been an inspiration to viewers. I also enjoy her interactions with the redoubtable Bullroarer, they make a great double-act and I'd like to keep them both in for the time being, for the sake of the viewers.

And quite what this troll love-affair on the board says about you all I just don't know.
++TOM for goodness' sake.

mormegil

01-26-2006, 01:38 PM

Women by evicting Tom you are eviciting one of your own. Do you not know that professor Tolkien designated Tom as a woman? In Letter # 76 he stated

I decided that Tom would be a female troll. Though its unlikely common knowledge as her name is generally that of a man's. This issue is resolved when one considers the many facets of Troll society. Trolls by their very nature are aggressive and overly masculine, this includes the females. Therefore when a female troll shows exceptional physical prowess she is granted the name of her choosing. Tom use to be Jane but thought this far too feminime for such a proud warrior.

So if your goal is to save women you are going about this incorrectly.

Kuruharan

01-26-2006, 02:24 PM

Odd...in my reading of Letter 76, all I see is a brief discussion of the name Gamgee and a performance of Hamlet.

For something relevant to the discussion, in Letter 355 (to a M. Gros of Dijon) he writes...

I was mistaken about the status of Elanor as the fairest of the Hobbits. By some grievous oversight, I crossed the word for "the Fair" with the word for "the Horse's Rear" (the two words being practically identical in Weston). Unfortunately, the publishers have failed to answer my demands to correct this problem. I'll see them in court! In answer to your question, Belladonna Took (Bilbo's mother) was actually the most beautiful of the Hobbits.

The producers won’t be able to stand it if the sex appeal is voted off the island.

Now for Tom, on the other hand, do we really need two trolls? They’ve devastated the native sheep population of the island.

Formendacil

01-26-2006, 03:34 PM

Off with Belladonna Took.

Not so much because she's female, or because she's boring, or any of the usual suspects... but simply because Kuru has predicted her victory.

As the official disturber of predictions, I say that we cannot have that!

++ Belladonna, daughter of Gerontius

mormegil

01-26-2006, 05:45 PM

Oh my mistake I mean letter #119 of course.

Tuor in Gondolin

01-26-2006, 06:08 PM

It is firmly believed by the creme de la creme of
Tolkien scholars that Beladonna Took was specifically
added by Tolkien for his daughter Priscilla and that
he may have added a curse in Gothic [said into a dictaphone]
to anyone who would dare
esteem Beladonna less highly then any foul
creature encountered by Bilbo (see the long lost
unpublished essay What Tollers really told me about the
writing of The Hobbit that I didn't get around to including
in my biography of him
by H. Carpenter).

Belladonna Took must be saved!!!

Elu Ancalime

01-26-2006, 07:41 PM

-D.A.I.N. goves continued support to Belladonna Took

-Balin set up a hinting outpost in Moria, to poach the last Balrog, and sell him to Sauron in Mordor for Rings and other riches, clearly the feelings for endangered species is absent in the Dwarven mind. Even Gimli was saddened by their faliure. The true story is, is that had Balin succeeded with Operation Black-Market-Balrog, Gimli would have found Moria in a splendour of sorts, and at home he would be welcomed to a Capitalist Erebor, and lived rich, never tithing to poor hobbits whose parents had to work to the age of 129 to keep the Beer bills paid.

++Balin
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Anguirel

01-27-2006, 01:23 AM

At last someone crawls out of the mines and sees the light.

Holby and other Belladonna-lovers, over here!

--BELLADONNA TOOK, ++BALIN

Holbytlass

01-27-2006, 09:22 AM

Sorry, Anguirel, I don't hate dwarves, just like to see them thinned out a bit. I'm sticking with Tom today. We can always hope for a tied vote! :D

The Saucepan Man

01-27-2006, 11:42 AM

Oh go on then.

++ BALIN

Because he's a Dwarf, there are still too many Dwarves, and he has the most votes out of the Dwarfish contingent.

Boromir88

01-27-2006, 02:54 PM

Finally I have some time to catch up.

++Balin

1) He's a dwarf

2) I'm bandwagoning

3) It's a pretty rotten trick to fake your death so the Fellowship thinks all the dwarves in Moria are dead. Now he's on survivor? What a creep.

Elu Ancalime

01-27-2006, 03:38 PM

I will bandwagon all the time yay.

I call you to fufill your oath, WaynetheGoblin.

Move your DAIN like vote from Gloin to Balin, and I will give you peace in your living death. :p
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Eonwe

01-27-2006, 04:49 PM

Ang, wasn't Balin teh one you had slated to win? Just checking...

We certainly do need two trolls! Three would be ideal, but some lot voted one off when i had my back turned. Native sheep poulation? The producers bought the island, and they can just as well live without sheep on it, if they get the ratings they want. And everyone like the antics these two are pulling: what with their strange societal ways they make for a bit of inter-tribe conflict. This would be serverly undermined if one were voted off: as Troll society is so very communal, the remaining Troll would feel the neel the need to gain assurace by assimilating into the mainstream of his tribe, thereby cancelling any culture-clashing.

Tuor in Gondolin

01-28-2006, 09:55 AM

Holby and other Belladonna-lovers, over here!

So,

- - Tom

+ + Balin

Lalaith

01-28-2006, 12:26 PM

This is awful. I don't want to vote Balin off :(

What's the tally, someone?

Elu Ancalime

01-28-2006, 07:33 PM

I beleive its something like this:

Balin (woot): 5

Belladonna Took (holla): 5

Tom (save the Trolls!): 4

Error of margin: +/- 2 votes

The Reason for this Post: To motivate someone to get the accurate tally
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WaynetheGoblin

01-28-2006, 08:23 PM

--gloin
++balin
can i have my peace in my living dead now

arcticstorm

01-28-2006, 08:27 PM

let us lower the number of hobbits on the island
++Beladona Took

Elu Ancalime

01-28-2006, 08:49 PM

let us lower the number of hobbits on the island

The ratio of hobbits to others is

2:12

Whearas the ratio of dwarves to others is

5:11

There is one male hobbit and one female hobbit left.
If either of them are voted off, how will the hobbit strain continue? That my friends is hunting an endangered species.

Dwarves spring out of the ground. We dont need any more, they will just attack everybody for jools and loot.

This is awful. I don't want to vote Balin off

Lalaith, you voted for Tom. Again if Tom is gone, then *checks list of remeaining characters* Then William will be without a friend, it was bad enough to vote off poor Bert, that's like breaking up the Blues Brothers, or Larry Curly and Mo, or 'W' and Blaire, or squash, beans, and corn! If your going to traumatize the trio by evicting one, leave the others alone for a chance for victory in Bert's name!

A vote for Tom is a vote against friendship.
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Formendacil

01-28-2006, 10:17 PM

Okay, it's well over 48 hours since the last cast out (28 minus 25 DOES equal 3, correct?). That being the case, I'm going to exercise my replacement-mod authority and tally up the votes...

Today, the threat of eviction hung over the heads of many... Gloin, Elrond, Roac, Belladona Took, Tom, and Balin. Belladonna, the sole female, bore perhaps the greatest fear, but in the end, the voting went as such:

Elrond: I
Roac: I
Belladonna Took: IIIII
Tom: III
Balin: IIIII I

Once again victorious, the Dwarf-cullers had removed Balin. Ever gentlemanly, the old Dwarf stood up, bowed low, and departed the Island for parts unknown. Whether or not it was deep, Balrog-infested caverns, or Hobbit holes... well, that's why I said the parts were unknown.

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Contestants voted out:
Bofur
Ori
Durin (The first King Under the Mountain)
Nori
Fundin
Gandalf
Nain (father of Dain)
Bungo Bagins
Chief of Guards
Thorin
Bilbo
Golfimbul
Carc
Gollum
The Master
Dwalin
Bifur
Great Goblin
Bard
Azog
Oin
Dain
Necromancer
Old Took
Bert
Galion (Elvenking's Butler)
Girion
Thror (grandsire of Thorin)
Bolg
Elvenking
Thrain (father of Thorin)
Beorn
Dori
Balin

The remaining contestants:

Dwarves/Bad Guys
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom

Men/Elves/Others
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

Day 30 begins now. 12 more people.

I know that Glirdan said:

One more person and the last merging of the tribes will take place.

But I shall leave the actual performance of that act to him.

~Michael A. Joosten - Survivor: The Hobbit Backup Moderator~

Kuruharan

01-28-2006, 10:31 PM

Again if Tom is gone, then *checks list of remeaining characters* Then William will be without a friend, it was bad enough to vote off poor Bert, that's like breaking up the Blues Brothers, or Larry Curly and Mo, or 'W' and Blaire, or squash, beans, and corn! If your going to traumatize the trio by evicting one, leave the others alone for a chance for victory in Bert's name!

A vote for Tom is a vote against friendship.

Pshaw! Believe me, nobody wants Tom gone any more than William. The two of them brawl incessantly, call each other all sorts of horrible names, and Tom hogs all the good loot. William would throw a party if Tom were voted off. He’d probably serve roast mutton with a side of villager.

[dwarves] will just attack everybody for jools and loot.

Yes, above I said “trolls” and “loot” in the same sentence. It is the trolls that are the looters. They’ve been raping and pillaging ever since they arrived on the island…and now somebody is trying to cover up their depravity by accusing the innocent (note the trollish spelling…of course, I would never suggest that anything so unpleasant as bribery could possibly be the root cause of all this).

Of course, this probably only increases this individual’s credibility in the eyes of some of our more unsavory electors.

And this same individual is now trying to paint us a picture of defending poor imposed upon Belladonna while keeping these brute beasts about on the island. After her victory she shall be delivering this individual a stern reprimand. (The creatures have made off with most of the money she brought with her. It is a miracle she has any left. However, it would be cruel for me to suggest that this individual wants to keep the trolls about the island in order for them to get the chance to rob the poor lady down to the very last penny... :eek: )

EDIT: Let's see if more people can't be persuaded to act more sensibly today.

++ TOM

mormegil

01-28-2006, 11:35 PM

++Belladona Took

We can't let her get off to win.

Lalaith

01-29-2006, 05:16 AM

++TOM

For reasons mentioned earlier. I think even Ang and Saucie should have sated their dwarf-lust by now.

WaynetheGoblin

01-29-2006, 07:07 AM

++belladone took
I agree with morm.

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-29-2006, 07:13 AM

++Belladona Took

Holbytlass

01-29-2006, 08:37 AM

Guys
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

Gal
Belladonna Took

Formendacil was waiting for Glirdan to do the reshuffling but I took it upon myself. Now does this seem right? No! As a proud member of H.A.G. I say to thinning out the males a little more before booting off poor lonely-only Bella!

++TOM

Celuien

01-29-2006, 08:49 AM

++BELLADONNA TOOK

Again.

Glirdan

01-29-2006, 10:48 AM

Well Holby, that's not quite how I was planning to merge the tribes. It's more like...

Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)
Belladonna Took

If anyone has a prefered name for the tribe, be my guest and let me know. I'm open to suggestions.

Thank you to Form once again for taking over (stupid exams!!!! :mad: ).

My vote will be with Holby.

++Tom

Save the old hag who's the only female left!!

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-29-2006, 11:03 AM

What about:

Blokes
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom
Elrond
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

Birds
Eagle Lord
Belladonna Took
Roac

:smokin:

Anguirel

01-29-2006, 12:42 PM

++GLOIN-it's the principle of the thing...

The Saucepan Man

01-29-2006, 01:42 PM

I think even Ang and Saucie should have sated their dwarf-lust by now.Certainly not. There are still twice as many Dwarves as there are contestants any other category.

Really, brave and noble though they are, do we really need two identi-kit Dwarves? Fili and Kili are interchangeable for all material purposes. I say we get rid of one of them.

++ KILI

Ang, I went along with you on Balin yesterday, despite him being one of my preferred Dwarves. I hope that you (and all those who agree that there are still too many Dwarves) can see your way to a Kili-based compromise today ...

Lalaith

01-29-2006, 02:55 PM

I'm all for trying to preserve balance, but c'mon guys, now is not the time to mess about with principles.
Look at the voting stats - we've got four for Belladonna, four for Tom, one for Gloin and one for Kili.
If Ang or Saucie could be persuaded to switch to Tom, we might save Belladonna....never mind about the gender aspect, surely to have only one hobbit left (and a dead one at that) compared to two trolls and two birds in a game called, lest you forget, Hobbit Survivor, is just a travesty.

Tomorrow we can look at dwarf ratios and I'm sure you will find me co-operative and receptive to all sensible arguments.

WaynetheGoblin

01-29-2006, 03:30 PM

get rid of belledona took because she will win if she gets to the end.

Kuruharan

01-29-2006, 05:09 PM

she will win if she gets to the end.

That's the general idea. :cool:

Lalaith

You probably really shouldn't waste your time on those two. Their ears (to say nothing of brains) are too waxed up with their narrow-minded dwarfism to pay any attention to anything else. They'll just continue to clatter and foam. What we need to do is find some way of lobbying new voters... Any ideas?

Formendacil

01-29-2006, 05:30 PM

I'm with Sauce... Way back in the "good ole days" of Survivor: LotR, there were numerous complaints of the boringness of Hama there at the end: imagine the complaints should we end up with three Dwarves!

++ Kili

Let's "kili" him.

Elu Ancalime

01-29-2006, 06:55 PM

++Kili

He would want to go, with his uncle and his brother will follow him.

D.A.I.N. says (a bit of collectivism) that while the ratio of dwarves to others drops, the ratio of female to male needs to be more equal. It should follow the dwarven ratio of 1:3.

I say:

Longbeards
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Kili

Tribe of Venus
Belladonna Took

Clan of Idlesmen
Eagle Lord
Roac
Elrond
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)
Smaug
Chief Warg

Operation Olog :p
Tom
William
________
Extreme Vaporizer (http://extremevaporizer.info)

The Saucepan Man

01-29-2006, 07:09 PM

Their ears (to say nothing of brains) are too waxed up with their narrow-minded dwarfism to pay any attention to anything else.Harsh words strongly spoken, Master Dwarf. I am, in fact, not prejudiced against any race in particular. As I have made clear almost from the outset, my aim is for a balanced final, rather than the all-Dwarf final that you no doubt hope for. :p

Look at the voting stats - we've got four for Belladonna, four for Tom, one for Gloin and one for Kili.Well now it's three for Kili. And I am sure that Ang will see the sense in swapping one Dwarf for another with his vote. If so, you can save Belladonna by voting for Kili. :cool:

And as an added sweetener, I will pledge to join you in your quest to vote off Tom tomorrow. With Dwarfish numbers down, I will be happy to pare the Trolls down to one. Much as I like them, two does seem rather indulgent. :D

Eonwe

01-29-2006, 09:24 PM

you can save Belladonna by voting for Kili. :cool:

and vise versa! :cool:

++Belladonna Took

Fili and Kili are teh best of the Dwarven tribe. These are of young, strong stock, ones capable of taking over from the deseesed Balin and leading teh Dwarven race toward unparrallelled successes. If it's a Dwarf you want, take the incompitent Bombur, all he thinks of is food and sleep. (He is the one vote that i could actually sanction in good conscience).

arcticstorm

01-29-2006, 10:06 PM

I believe that it will be reshuffled as so
Children/adoptees of Illuvitar
Elrond
Fili
Kili
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer
Bombur
Gloin

Abominations/creatures
Smaug
Tom
Bert
Roac
Eagle Lord
Chief Warg

as for my vote, i am voting for the hobbit woman as i know she will com e int he way of my final choice for victory, but i will not give you a naem because that wouldbe too hasty

++Miss Took

Glirdan

01-29-2006, 10:18 PM

All those are good ideas. But I was trying to do a final merging. Unless you would all perfer to wait until there's only eight left.

--Tom
++KIili

I completely agree with Saucy that there are to many Dwarves and we can defintely be rid of one of the twins.

Kuruharan

01-29-2006, 10:26 PM

I am, in fact, not prejudiced against any race in particular.

Ah-ah-ah. This is utter nonsense. Your activities have had a disproportionately negative impact on one particular race. That would qualify under the definition for many of the professors under whom I have studied. In fact, they would be apoplectic.

I'm surprised your loyerly training even allowed you to make such a statement.

rather than the all-Dwarf final that you no doubt hope for.

On the contrary, I could tell from the beginning that no dwarf would win this thing. There were too many of them in the beginning (and this included a number of rather strange entrants in my opinion). This would set people against them from the start and certain people could be counted on to carry this out to extremes *cough*Elu Ancalime*cough* (among others). The momentum against them would ultimately prove insurmountable, everyone would have just gotten into the habit by the end.

So, being ever the realist, I decided to run some numbers and I scientifically calculated (using geological and scatological methods) that Belladonna Took was a shoe in for the victory. I remain confident because it should now be painfully apparent to even the most rabid dwarfist that their unreasoning crusade is not going to gain any traction this day. If they wish to cast a meaningful vote, they are going to have to come up for air from the watery depths of their obsessions and make a decision.

If you are really so interested in balance, then you should switch your vote to Tom because, since this is Hobbit survivor, it is only just to give them the greatest chance of winning in the end (especially given the fact they were rather underrepresented in the beginning). At this moment this means saving two hobbits.

Anguirel

01-30-2006, 01:21 AM

Why, Kuru, you writhe in desperation...

--GLOIN, ++KILI

I'm in, Saucey, though I bet you targetted Fili not Kili just to irritate me...

EDIT: I meant "Kili not Fili". That rather proves our point...

Lalaith

01-30-2006, 03:40 AM

Kuru, I'm sorry to do what I have to do now, to save Belladonna, and you have my word that not another dwarf will I vote to evict unless absolutely necessary. I have no axe to grind against that ancient and noble race - you will see that I could not bring myself to vote against the kindly Balin, even when Belladonna was in danger.
Ang, I will hold you to your pledge vis a vis Tom, tomorrow, and may you drown under a deluge of neg reps if you play me false.
--tom
++KILI

Tuor in Gondolin

01-30-2006, 10:04 AM

+ + Kili
Which will also answer the question of
can one twin survive without the other.

The Saucepan Man

01-30-2006, 06:54 PM

Ah-ah-ah. This is utter nonsense. Your activities have had a disproportionately negative impact on one particular race. That would qualify under the definition for many of the professors under whom I have studied.You are unfortunately mistaken, my dear fellow. I have nothing against Dwarves per se. I am just against a disproportionate number of Dwarves remaining in the contest. Ergo, I am not prejudiced against Dwarves, but simply seeking to maintain some kind of balance to the contest. As one who is concerned about ratings, you will no doubt appreciate that the majority of viewers will turn off in their droves if the final comprises solely Dwarves. Continued high ratings depend on appealing to the entire viewer demographic, not just those who happen to be Dwarves.

In any event, assuming a Dwarf goes today, I will be content to leave the remaining three alone - for now at least.

I'm in, Saucey, though I bet you targetted Fili not Kili just to irritate me...

EDIT: I meant "Kili not Fili". That rather proves our point...Oh, sorry Ang. I genuinely thought that I had chosen your least preferred "-ili". Not that it matters, surely. They are, as I have said, pretty much interchangeable.

Ang, I will hold you to your pledge vis a vis Tom, tomorrow, and may you drown under a deluge of neg reps if you play me false.Actually, Lal, the pledge was mine. And I will hold to it, provided that Kili goes today.

Kuruharan

01-30-2006, 10:13 PM

Tsk! In this game dwarves comprised the "at risk" (to use the technical term) population. You (among others) have exploited this to the uttermost.

Exploitation of at risk population=discrimination.

I'm afraid the conclusion is rather inescapable, no matter how you try to spin it. You may as well stop trying, you're not fooling anyone.

(And before you attempt to bring it up, majority populations have been "at risk" many times in the past so you don't have a leg to stand on in pleading "but there were so many of them.")

As far as ratings go, the ratings will be just fine so long as Belladonna Took is in the final. I believe she is the one I have been promoting for some time. This suggests (I realize you and a few others may have missed it) that I have not been shooting for an all dwarf final, as I have been repeatedly accused. I personally don't have any intention of voting against any dwarves, but I don't have to. I have unwitting pawns to do all that dirty work for me while I have fun stirring the pot. They have been most cooperative, as you can tell. Belladonna is still here and another dwarf is gone. As Darth Sidious would say, "Everything is going as I have foreseen."

Of course, I said this already. However, why pay attention to what I say when you can pretend that I have said what you wanted to see and then proceed from there.

Isn't it about time for an expulsion?

Lalaith

01-31-2006, 03:10 AM

Whoops, sorry Saucie. Careless reading. It's usually Ang who offers the deals, you see.
However the sentiments remain the same.

The Saucepan Man

01-31-2006, 04:44 AM

Tsk! In this game dwarves comprised the "at risk" (to use the technical term) population.Far from being at risk, the Dwarves have, throughout the show, held the advantage by virtue of their numbers. It is the fair-minded among us who have voted for them, with a view to evening things up. I discriminate not against Dwarves, but against those who have firmly had the upper hand throughout, in the interests of balance.

But I wouldn't expect a balanced view in this game from a Dwarf ... :p ;)

I believe she is the one I have been promoting for some time. This suggests (I realize you and a few others may have missed it) that I have not been shooting for an all dwarf final, as I have been repeatedly accused.Come now. Your attempt at reverse psychology is fooling no one.

Isn't it about time for an expulsion?The Island seems to be located in some mysterious region where the length of the day varies from one day to the next. If nothing else, it at least heightens the unpredictability.

Kuruharan

01-31-2006, 07:50 AM

Far from being at risk, the Dwarves have, throughout the show, held the advantage by virtue of their numbers.

That is what landed them in the "at risk" category. It made it certain that people would persecute them. But I believe I already answered this. You are evidently not really reading my posts and are just assuming what you want to see is there.

Come now. Your attempt at reverse psychology is fooling no one.

Good. One more layer in Belladonna Took's invincible armor. People think I'm trying to trick them, so they won't vote for her. Her cause looks stronger and stronger. (Apparently, I'm so cunning that I can bamboozle people without even trying... :rolleyes: )

However, you've just given me an amusing idea. No matter what happens now, I'll be able to gloat insufferably. If Belladonna gets voted off (which is not going to happen) I'll be able to say, "HA, you witless fools you fell for my evil plan!!! BAWH-HAWH-HAWH-HAWH!!!" When Belladonna wins I'll be able to say, "HA!! Victory is mine...I mean hers!!! I predicted this hundreds of posts ago!!!"

I'd like to thank you for showing me that I'm in a win-win situation. It is so nice to see other people looking out for your interests.

Telegram for Everybody Else: When the gloating begins you can blame the Saucepan Man. ;)

Anguirel

01-31-2006, 07:56 AM

The Saucepan Man

01-31-2006, 08:33 AM

That is what landed them in the "at risk" category.All contestants are at risk of being voted off. That's kind of the point of the show.

Are they at greater risk of being voted off than other contestants? As a group, yes. As individual Dwarves, no (again by virtue of their numbers). They are in an individual competition, so this can hardly form any basis for complaint. It is up to each individual Dwarf to persuade the viewers that they deserve to stay. Some have managed to achieve that so far.

You are evidently not really reading my posts and are just assuming what you want to see is there.I could say the same. Listen very carefully, for I shall say this only once (more). I have not been voting against Dwarves because I have any irrational dislike of Dwarvenkind. I have been voting against them because, throughout the show, they have significantly outnumbered the other categories of contestant. My aim, therefore, has been to even things up and thereby produced a more balanced show (for the benefit of the viewing public's enjoyment and, thus, the show's ratings).

Given that there are solid rational and reasonable grounds to support my voting pattern vis a vis the Dwarves, it can hardly be described as discriminatory or prejudicial, in the sense that those words are normally used (which implies an element of irrational dislike or hatred, based on age, race, sex etc).

You, on the other hand, have been persistently voting against Tom for the last few days simply because he is a Troll. And you accuse me of prejudice ....??!!! ;)

No matter what happens now, I'll be able to gloat insufferably.And you expect us to believe that you wouldn't have found a way to do so in any event? :rolleyes:

It is quite clear (whatever you may say after the event) that you desperately want a Dwarf to win. Otherwise, why the unjustified, slanderous and assault against those of us who have been voting for Dwarves? Methinks the Dwarf doth protest too much.

But I take comfort in your evident discomfort at the fast reducing Dwarfish population. :p

Lalaith

01-31-2006, 08:43 AM

Can I just intrude briefly into this angels-on-a-pinhead sophistry to remind you all, the tally currently stands (I think) at:
Belladonna 6,
Kili 7
and Tom 2.

Kuruharan

01-31-2006, 09:35 AM

Kuru, you are assuming that Belladonna, if not evicted, is a dead cert for victory on the last day of positive votes for the winner.

For reasons of my own, I beg to differ. I have no wish to evict little Lucrezia Longbottom but my support will be elsewhere on the final Day.

I've already taken your inevitable opposition into my calculations.

They are in an individual competition, so this can hardly form any basis for complaint.

*gasp* You are starting to sound more and more like a Conservative the longer this argument goes on.

Oh group identity politics...where art thou?

I could say the same. Listen very carefully, for I shall say this only once (more). I have not been voting against Dwarves because I have any irrational dislike of Dwarvenkind.

-and-

it can hardly be described as discriminatory or prejudicial, in the sense that those words are normally used

I have been reading this, but it is just self-justifying sophistry (shameless borrowing of Lalaith's word ;) ). You just have a hard time admitting what the results of your actions mean to yourself. The fact that the characters you have been voting against are Dwarves is the whole basis of why you have been voting against them. How then is it possible for you to say that your votes have not been racially motivated? (Rhetorical question, I actually know quite well.)

You, on the other hand, have been persistently voting against Tom for the last few days simply because he is a Troll. And you accuse me of prejudice ....??!!!

I voted against Tom because he attempted to mug Belladonna repeatedly. I'm trying to remove the criminal element from the island.

It is quite clear (whatever you may say after the event) that you desperately want a Dwarf to win. Otherwise, why the unjustified, slanderous and assault against those of us who have been voting for Dwarves? Methinks the Dwarf doth protest too much.

As I said, I don't have any intention of voting against a dwarf myself. Therefore, in order for Belladonna to win, I have to ensure that the other voters are sufficiently goaded into doing it for me. If there is any reverse psychology going on here that is it. But even so, I haven't had to put any effort into it. Matters have pretty much taken care of themselves.

Is it about time that somebody steps in to write an eviction for us so that we can get on with things?

Anguirel

01-31-2006, 09:42 AM

I've already taken your inevitable opposition into my calculations.

Glad to hear that.

*gasp* You are starting to sound more and more like a Conservative the longer this argument goes on.

And what precisely is wrong with that, even if he is? Politics is off-limits. (This is not an instinctive defence and is entirely unrelated to the fact that I'm going to a Letwin-idolising session tomorrow night.)

I have been reading this, but it is just self-justifying sophistry (shameless borrowing of Lalaith's word ;) ).

Actually that was Socrates's word. You'll soon be hearing from his legal representative, Plato...

Kuruharan

01-31-2006, 10:44 AM

And what precisely is wrong with that, even if he is? Politics is off-limits.

It's nice to see I'm getting somebody's goat. However, the joke was that conservatives on different sides of the pond don't want the same things or view these issues in the same way. Thus, the remark is inapplicable to anything and nonsensical (hence the alleged humor value). It was more of a trans-Atlantic joke than anything. Perhaps my meaning there was a too obscure, and I apologize for that (maybe if I'd used the word “Republican” instead it would have been clearer).

Actually that was Socrates's word. You'll soon be hearing from his legal representative, Plato

I look forward to it. I'll promptly pass him the news that Lalaith first used it in the thread and that the word was common currency in fifth and fourth century Greece (well, maybe not “common currency” but still). His case won't hold water, even in front of an Athenian jury (even though I seriously doubt Plato would have any desire to argue his case in front of an Athenian jury).

Ummm…is anybody going to put us out of our misery before we start debating whether Hammurabi was a good king?

The Saucepan Man

01-31-2006, 11:49 AM

Quote:
They are in an individual competition, so this can hardly form any basis for complaint.

*gasp* You are starting to sound more and more like a Conservative the longer this argument goes on. I'm not at all clear how you can establish my political leanings simply by reference to a factual statement concerning the nature of the game. It's a Warg-eat-Warg show, by definition.

Oh group identity politics...where art thou?Er - you may find a hint in name of the game.

The fact that the characters you have been voting against are Dwarves is the whole basis of why you have been voting against them. How then is it possible for you to say that your votes have not been racially motivated?The fact that they are Dwarves has nothing to do with it. I would vote to cut down their numbers whatever their race, species or social bracket. Ergo, my dear fellow, I submit that your argument holds no water and hereby formally declare it a load of old codswallop.

I voted against Tom because he attempted to mug Belladonna repeatedly.As you well know, that particular incident is sub judice. Tom denies the allegation in its entirety and is entitled to a fair trial on his departure. You should watch what you say, unless you wish to find yourself in contempt of court.

I'm trying to remove the criminal element from the island.Assuming that he's a criminal simply because he's a Troll, eh? Talk about racial prejudice ... :rolleyes:

As I said, I don't have any intention of voting against a dwarf myself. Therefore, in order for Belladonna to win, I have to ensure that the other voters are sufficiently goaded into doing it for me.Since, on the basis of what you say, you and I seem to have similar goals (for the time being, at least), I am not quite sure why you continue to rail against me. Unless, of course, there is more to your words than meets the eye ... :p

Lalaith

01-31-2006, 12:10 PM

...and the first person to compare Belladonna to Xanthippe gets force-fed hemlock....

Anguirel

01-31-2006, 12:16 PM

An unfortunate connection to Miss Took's poisonous name...

Tuor of Gondolin

01-31-2006, 01:15 PM

Apparently The Survivors' island is located
in the southern hemisphere and it's summer,
since the days seem to be getting longer and longer. :)

Formendacil

01-31-2006, 02:53 PM

Okay, okay children!

Enough whining...

Master Glirdan is a very busy man.

However, to quell your childish clamours for a new day, I shall belatedly close the voting, and post the results.

Lalaith

01-31-2006, 02:58 PM

To Ang yes I know. That's why I made the joke. :rolleyes:

Formendacil

01-31-2006, 03:02 PM

Once again, Belladonna Took was in major threat of eviction. But her loyal fans rallied around her banner to evict another of the Dwarven tribe. As Ms. Took told reporters: "I like to live on the edge, as long as I don't get pushed off."

The day's voting went as follows:

Belladonna Took: IIIII I
Tom: II
Kili: IIIII II

In inimitable style, Kili stood up, faced the eviction police, and was slaughtered in a valiant attempt to remain at his family's side. Apart from Fili, no one seemed to really notice his departure.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Contestants voted out:
Bofur
Ori
Durin (The first King Under the Mountain)
Nori
Fundin
Gandalf
Nain (father of Dain)
Bungo Bagins
Chief of Guards
Thorin
Bilbo
Golfimbul
Carc
Gollum
The Master
Dwalin
Bifur
Great Goblin
Bard
Azog
Oin
Dain
Necromancer
Old Took
Bert
Galion (Elvenking's Butler)
Girion
Thror (grandsire of Thorin)
Bolg
Elvenking
Thrain (father of Thorin)
Beorn
Dori
Balin
Kili

The remaining contestants:

Dwarves/Bad Guys
Bombur
Fili
Gloin
Chief Warg
Smaug
William
Tom

Men/Elves/Others
Elrond
Eagle Lord
Roac
Belladonna Took
Bullroarer (Bilbo's great ancestor)

Day 31 begins now. 11 more people.

Glirdan, I'll keep at this, if need be, until the last four people or so are left. After that, the job's yours no matter how busy you are.

~Michael A. Joosten - Survivor: The Hobbit Backup Moderator~

Anguirel

01-31-2006, 03:10 PM

In order to do penance for my slowness on the Lucrezia front...

++TOM

Celuien

01-31-2006, 03:33 PM

++BELLADONNA TOOK

Who is really leading the charge to assassinate the evictees? Belladonna, of course. Really, if she stays around much longer, she'll win by killing off the other contestants with her with her handy-dandy bottle of poisoned wine.

Rune Son of Bjarne

01-31-2006, 03:54 PM

++belladonna Took

Elu Ancalime

01-31-2006, 05:08 PM

++Gloin

At the Council of Elrond, Gloin spoke more than Gimli, even chancing that Gimli said something not recorded by the Kings Writer or slipped Frodo's mind. Either way, he had nothing to say.

How did Elrond choose Gimli, at least without consideration?

It seems Gloin slipped Master Elrond a C-Note......either that, or a "Get out of the World's Fate Free and Accept the Gift of Men" Card.

Gloin.....he gave a bribe for his son's personal benifit, or to send his son away and hopefully die, therefore not having to spend more gold on him!!!

Ruthless Greedy Coldhearted Dwarf.
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Glirdan

01-31-2006, 05:56 PM

Yes, yes Mast Formendacill. You have no idea how gratified I am to have thee helping me. I should be able to start posting the cast-outs starting regularly once again by, hopefully, tomorrow. I'm purposely lengthening today until tomorrow at 10:30, around the death of the WWJ game that I have going on. So expect to see this cast-out around that time tomorrow.

As for my vote, completely random from here on out as to remain biast:

++William

Elu Ancalime

01-31-2006, 06:24 PM

As for my vote, completely random from here on out as to remain biast:

On a lighter note:

Hmm, you would think that a random choice would be a dwarf, considering their over population of this game!!!

Just kidding. Thanks to the philosophy of DAIN anyway. Do not forget the words of Carl Markz, the great DAIN philosopher:

"The only good dwarf is one whom the tribe has spoken for."

[I am definatly not a commi or an anarchist :p :D ]
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WaynetheGoblin

01-31-2006, 07:11 PM

++belladona took
FOR KILI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kuruharan

01-31-2006, 10:59 PM

Hee hee, more fun stuff...

I'm not at all clear how you can establish my political leanings simply by reference to a factual statement concerning the nature of the game.

You don't think that an online voting game based on a T.V. reality series centered around fictional characters is a good basis for social experimentation? :eek:

Where on earth do you find your data?

As you well know, that particular incident is sub judice. Tom denies the allegation in its entirety and is entitled to a fair trial on his departure. You should watch what you say, unless you wish to find yourself in contempt of court.

This entirely depends on whose jurisdiction this island falls under. I am holding in my hands at this moment a writ that certifies that this Island was first discovered by Admiral Zheng He during his 1421 voyage that carried him to the Americas. This claim remains indisputable. This Island was a part of The Great Ming Empire. Unfortunately, the Ming suffered some...unpleasantness in and around the year 1644. Subsequently, all the nations of the world have adamantly maintained that the island belongs to somebody (anybody) else (indeed, there is some evidence that the War of Jenkins' Ear was actually fought because Great Britain and Spain each were deathly afraid that the other would succeed in ceding their rights to the island. All this other nonsense about trading rights and the Asiento was all a cover because both nations were so embarrassed by the prospect of having to own the place).

I'm afraid it seems that, even though the Ming perished 362 years ago, they still rule the island. Seeing as how my current avatar is of Zhu Yanzhang, Emperor Hongwu (Taizu), founder of the Ming, I think that gives me indisputable title to actually be the functioning magistrate of the island.

In this role, I received a complaint of aggravated assault and robbery from one Belladonna Took (a princess among hobbit maidens) against one Tom (a hooligan among rocky ruffians).

Needing no further evidence than the word of a lady, by the power invested in me I sentence

++ TOM

to be first banished from the Island and then subsequently suffer any of the other Five Punishments that seem like a good idea at the time.

I am not quite sure why you continue to rail against me. Unless, of course, there is more to your words than meets the eye

Nope, no hidden meaning here. I’m afraid it is just for the jollies.

(You are going to have to turn your ridiculous knob to Maximum to top this lulu... ;) )

Formendacil

02-01-2006, 02:44 AM

Oyez, oyez!

Be it herewith made known to those who inhabit the realm and city known as the Barrow-Downs, that Belladonna Baggins, nee Took, daughter of Gerontius, is herewith to be cast forth from the game of chance known at "Survivor: The Hobbit" for reasons to be herewith listed:

Reason the First: That Belladonna Took (as Belladonna Baggins, nee Took, daughter of Gerontius shall be henceforth referred to) is guilty of the crime of indecency, as convicted by Justice K.U. Ruharan on evidence presented by F.A.T. regarding a certain "PlayHobbitlass".

Reason the Second: That the marriage of Bungo and Belladonna Baggins and the peace of their son Bilbo has been rendered apart by participation in the aforementioned "Survivor" game. The accused has henceforth been known by her maiden name of Belladonna Took.

Reason the Third: That the continued participation of Belladonna Took in the game of "Survivor" is an unspoken admission of the correctness of a prediction of Kuruharan the Prophet- a known Enemy of the State, and that her eviction is immediately required to quell his ego.

++Belladonna Took

Lalaith

02-01-2006, 03:16 AM

++TOM

I am touched that so many are keeping to their word. My faith in human nature is in fine fettle today.

dancing spawn of ungoliant

02-01-2006, 04:44 AM

++TOM

Although SpM may disagree (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=437561&postcount=402) with me, I believe we have a clear policy how to deal with trolls here... Away with them!

Besides, anything to save poor Ms. Took.

Tuor of Gondolin

02-01-2006, 07:00 AM

Who is really leading the charge to assassinate the evictees? Belladonna, of course. Really, if she stays around much longer, she'll win by killing off the other contestants with her with her handy-dandy bottle of poisoned wine.

Celuien: if you're referring to that incident in
Venice with those nice Borgia people, I should
point out that Beladonna was barely involved.
She just gave Lucrecia a nudge out the door.

[B]+ + Tom[B]

Anguirel

02-01-2006, 07:43 AM

Celuien: if you're referring to that incident in
Venice with those nice Borgia people, I should
point out that Beladonna was barely involved.
She just gave Lucrecia a nudge out the door.

[B]+ + Tom[B]

Actually I think the wondrous Lucrezia didn't operate in Venice much. Rome and Ferrara were her main centres of action...

Goodness, though, she was beautiful. If Benedict XVI could sire a daughter like that, I'd be much more inclined to agree with his policies...

Tuor of Gondolin

02-01-2006, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Tuor of Gondolin
Celuien: if you're referring to that incident in
Venice with those nice Borgia people, I should
point out that Beladonna was barely involved.
She just gave Lucrecia a nudge out the door.

[B]+ + Tom[B]

Actually I think the wondrous Lucrezia didn't operate in Venice much. Rome and Ferrara were her main centres of action...

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Yup. Beladonna had heard such great things about
Venice when reading a review of the town in
"Letters" that she got the places confused.
(Of course, being a literary creation, you can't criticise
her too much).

Eonwe

02-01-2006, 08:54 AM

++belladona took
FOR KILI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for our lovable buffoon Tom!

++Belladona Took

mormegil

02-01-2006, 09:48 AM

++Belladona Took

Bilbo the buffoon came from her and that in itself is a serious crime.

Kuruharan

02-01-2006, 10:09 AM

That Belladonna Took (as Belladonna Baggins, nee Took, daughter of Gerontius shall be henceforth referred to) is guilty of the crime of indecency, as convicted by Justice K.U. Ruharan on evidence presented by F.A.T. regarding a certain "PlayHobbitlass".

That case was thrown out of court due to preponderance of evidence. The charges were also not brought by F.A.T. but by a shadowy group styling themselves Lonely and Desperate (L.A.D.). It seemed they were a string of Belladonna's former boyfriends. Hardly objective witnesses.

Kuruharan the Prophet- a known Enemy of the State, and that her eviction is immediately required to quell his ego.

His Majesty My Avatar...I mean, the Emperor, utterly rejects this scurrilous statement and on this Island he is the state (at least until I find some new tangent to go off on).

Formendacil

02-01-2006, 01:05 PM

That case was thrown out of court due to preponderance of evidence. The charges were also not brought by F.A.T. but by a shadowy group styling themselves Lonely and Desperate (L.A.D.). It seemed they were a string of Belladonna's former boyfriends. Hardly objective witnesses.

Upon appeal to a higher court (presided over by Chief Justice Michael A. Joosten), this ruling was overturned.

His Majesty My Avatar...I mean, the Emperor, utterly rejects this scurrilous statement and on this Island he is the state (at least until I find some new tangent to go off on).

I'm afraid, Master "Emperor", that you have no juridiction here that I do not supercede.

Please take note of the name by which I have assumed the throne: Formendacil. In the great tradition of my ancestors, the Kings of Gondor (descended from Luthien- a claim no Dwarf or Easterling- however noble- can make), I have taken the a name based on my conquests. In this particular case that is Formen, meaning North.

And I don't mean some piddly little section of Forochel, but the whole Northern Hemisphere, including any and all territories held by the Ming Dynasty. If you retain any titles at all, it is at my sufferage.

As for the Southern Hemisphere... we'll have all that in a year or two.