Tol-in-Gaurhoth XVII: The Saga Continues to Continue quite Continuously

[Lhunardawen]

You had your chance! You know what I mean :p Go rub it in, will you? :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Are you perhaps implying, Nilp, that you have merely killed me to be louder than me for once, huh? (Cailín otR)No, I assure you I didn't. I just pointed out the fact that I ended up posting more than you. Kinda surprised of that myself.

Oh, and thanks for my Personal Cobbler, although I didn't need it this time. ;) (spawn)I must be a moderating influence, eh?

Re: Werewolf conversations. Wow, that's a lot of Nilp there . . . no wonder I kept on tripping and sneezing and biting my tongue.

I ddn't spot Nilp's message until Day 2 but, when I did, I really could not resist responding in kind. And it proved effective, since Nilp and I pretty much trusted each other from there on in.Sauce, how about we talk by anagrams the next game? ;)

Hey, has anyone ever find out where I got Bethiril and Narvi, son of Gimli from? Extra points to whoever who tells me correctly . . . :cool:

[Cailín]

Sheez! If you would have gotten rid of me that Night, I would have taken SpM with me!! Then you guys would have really won!

Ah, you are wrong there, Glirdy. Since I knew you were going to hunt Sauce, I specifically PM-ed Menel to ask whether I could protect from Hunter attacks as well. He told me I could, so if the wolves had decided to kill you, I would still have protected Sauce. Though that would have been a rather awkward situation!

Interesting read, those PMs. I see you had full confidence in me being able to get myself lynched. ;) Good for us you decided not to kill Malkatoj, but I still think Valier was a pretty good call that night. With all the loudmouths still alive, things were bound to explode.

[Lhunardawen]

Been reading the 'cross sticks again, and I just felt I should say that Nilp and SpM, you are such Lhunatics.

Wait.

[the guy who be short]

Night 4! And the sneaky thoughts of Garin and Naria.
Well it's obvious who will die tonight, we can't let an admitted gifted live. It just isn't right.
I am doing better than I thought, I am still alive and flushed out a good guy and not one vote against me today. I know I will suspected as a wolf but what else is new?
So far I think our chances are good. We've gone this far without a casualty.
Some mods say if a cursed is lynched most don't I think.
Mormegil looks to be the prime candidate for lynching for the next day, I'll probobaly be second, Sauce might be in there because I back him up.
Who is the seer though... Kath? (Garin)

I can't believe that all three of us wolves are still here! Especially you Garin. Would it surprise you if Marcolie was a gifted? Wouldn't surprise me in the least. But I don't suspect her of anything let alone a gifted, so I digress.

OK, so that was fun!not. I don't believe that Cailin could pull off a bluff like that so I say we kill the village Ranger tonight. And maybe Morm tomorrow (i know Garin, but I think he might be the Hunter)

So far it looks like we are safe for now.... (Naria) Morm - Definitely we need to feast on ranger tomorrow. I think Cailin was telling the truth, she struck me as a gifted from the very first. I think Morm will be lynched by the village during the day if all goes well. I've been sucking up to SpJ and defended him so I hope I am safe from his vote. I plan on being a top suspect. Somehow I managed to almost get my nemesis lynched and tonight she dies. TGWBS is sitting pretty, everyone has vouched for him it seems. Naria should look out for Kath, but i think she'll survive the day.
I think I can manage to survive the next day unless the seer becomes blatant and I hope he or she does. I've surely been dreamed of...
Do you really think Morm is the Hunter, Naria?
I won't? vote for him because I think he considers me innocent. He is a perennial ordo and probably can't imagine that I'd be a wolf two times out of three games. I have no problems with offing him if he makes it another day. I just think he'll be Mr Suspicious and will likely get the rope.

Maybe we can be revolutionaries and not kill the admitted gifted. We know who she is and no she can't protect herself. We or you two could finish her off the next night. I would only go for this if we get a decent scent of a seer. This would knock over the village if we did this.
Marcolie as gifted, if she is she is doing a crappy job, or maybe a good one.
As I have said as long as werewolves win, I am happy.
Who is the seer for pete's sake? (Garin)
Keeping Cailin alive for one more day! Great minds think alike I guess. After I sent my pm out to you guys I started thinking 'what if we keep her alive, wouldn't that throw the village off--toy with them shall we say'. We would have something new to talk about other than he said she said and bantering. Then kill her in the next night. hmmm just something to think about.

I really don't get the feeling that either one of us are going to get lynched in the next couple of days *cross fingers*. and yes TGWBS is in clear for some reason(good though). Garin--Just keep doing what you are doing, don't change anything and hope for the best, that 's what I'm doing.

well let me know what you two think and get back to me. I will kill her tonight as well; the other was an idea (Naria)

It is a bold move Naria but if Cailin were to survive the night it would turn suspicion back onto her. The only problem is that she is protecting someone and if her choice survives our kill she will be vindicated. So we need a Seer bad, It could be one of the silents that are afraid of becoming wolf bait. Marc, Gil. Glirdan, Kath you know very well she will be thinking of someone to protect. If Morm is the hunter he will not be taking me out. But if we take Morm out, I will be be the king of suspicion. Someone must have dreamt of us, namely me. I am wolf-boy, or so it seems. But the first few dreams might have been of veterans. So... I thing SpM, Morm and Form are not seers.... It brings us to the others. Who? I will await replies.

Kath or Malkatoj? Maybe we can even bag the cursed. It is quite the gamble. I think our current sear is afraid of us but will become bolder as she has more dreams.... Maybe SpM is the cobbler although Form seems to fit the bill. (Garin)
First sentence: Does it really matter if suspicion is cast back onto her? Either us or the village she'll die.
Second sentence:If she does turn out to be vindicated then we can still kill her that night, can we not?
Third sentence: I agree that we need the seer, but as of now I don't know whom that could be. If we stick to our list Glirdan would be the next one. or Cailin
Fourth sentence:Why would you be the king of suspicion if we take Morm out? I haven't seen anything that has happened with you two in the game, I don't get this one

I'll go and check the thread and see if I can come up with some seerisms

I get the Morm thing now thanks. and I get the Cailin thing too However, I got to think'n again and if we don't kill her then wouldn't she know four ordo's? Herself, the Hunter and the two she has already protected assuming that I'm right on this and assuming the two ordo's are ordo's.

It would be neat to see her squirm though and everyone else baffled Sorry if I seem a bit evil tonight it must be the changing back and forth--Wolf to human and back.... (Naria)
First off, morm is NOT the Hunter. Hunter and Ranger can communicate. That means we need to find an ally of Cailin if we are to find the hunter.

I recommend killing off Cailin. While she did get a few votes, I don't think there's any real suspicion against her. I think the village would realise the trick and not fall for it.

In addition, if we kill the Ranger, the Seer has so protection whatsoever and cannot declare themself without certain death. I say, Ranger today, Seer or Hunter tomorrow. (TGWBS)
I had already mentioned killing her tonight in my last pm. So sure, I'll have Ranger for supper!
I don't understand Morm NOT being the Hunter. How do you know this? I mean unless you have talked outside of the game how is there anyway of really knowing who is what right now? He very well could be an ordo, but I was just looking at possibilities.

In your second paragraph; the village not falling for the trick--do you mean that having little suspicion that there would be more if she were kept alive? If so wouldn't that be a good thing? It's either they kill her or if they have caught on and keep her alive we'll kill her next night (Naria)
Hunters

Cailin was the Ranger, that's easy enough to grasp. But the Hunter and the Ranger are in cahoots - they may PM each other and organise themselves as a force.
However, unlike the werewolves, they have no hidden agenda. This means neither would ever vote for the other. Their job is not to confuse us wolves, but to work together and convince villagers to their side.

Morm has consistently voted for Cailin, meaning it is impossible for him to be Hunter. We can also strike Nilp and SpM off this list.

Cailin claims her innocent list is as follows: Nilp, TGWBS, Glirdan, Kath, SpM (?)

This means either Glirdan or Kath is the hunter. I support Kath.

Quite interestingly, I have accidentally portrayed myself as a potential Hunter. Though I will deny this, people will doubtless presume it. So it is perhaps beneficial keeping Kath alive for the moment for my sake, though if she starts seriously suspecting an innocent (not morm, he will be killed tomorrow) we could kill her and get two in one.


Why Cailin must be killed

The Seer. If Cailin were to live, and the Seer to dream of one of us, the Seer could openly declare this and be safe in the knowledge that they would have another Night to dream about somebody. As the game progresses, this would be incredibly bad for us.

Whereas, if the Seer comes out after Cailin's death, they get an automatic death. It's much better that way.

Naria, PLEASE talk more tomorrow. The village will eventually tire and lynch you. If you want, analyse people. I will analyse Garin tomorrow, but you can pick some random people. Just say something... We can't have you killed for silence.


Wayne

That wayne is not the cobbler is quite simply remarkable, considering his behaviour. So much so that I will PM Menel after this PM to make sure...

However, this means Formen probably is the cobbler. Good thing we didn't kill him off at the start...

Also, good job we kept Cailin in, eh Garin?


I'll PM again soon with potential Seers and plans for tomorrow, but I'm adamant that we should kill of Cailin. (TGWBS)
I've already said that I won't analyse or read between the lines. I try my best to come up with theories and suggestions other than that I really do think that most in the village do a great job with analysing. I don't know what that would accomplish anyway. The village would read somthing that they have already read, possibly a few times. I am open to suggestions on how to go about doing this without doing a HUGE boring post.

We shall kill Cailin tonight then. Done.

If we both think that Form is the Cobbler, should we keep him alive and see what he does in the next couple of days? Depending on what he "says" today, I might vote for him again. (Naria)
Naria asked why Guy knew Morm was not the hunter. That is when I remembered a very hunteresque post by Nilp (The Guy's friend) that he had sent to Sauce. No time to post it. Something along the lines of...if you are lying I will shoot yoy with an arrow.
If Guy knows of a gifted. I don't know. It is unfortunate and I hope we don't have that dilemna.
Naria, try to speak up without going overboard. I declared that the silents as the enemy as has The Guy so to be consistent we need help from you. I hope Morm dies by the village's hand tomorrow.
Sorry it took so long to get back but I explained that already.
I had so many other good points but I haven't the time anymore.
Who is PMing the vote.
Cailin, I assume, Is the dead one. (Garin)
Nilp cannot be the Hunter. He voted for Cailin. The Hunter would never vote for his partner in any circumstances.

I have PMed Menel with Cailin's death. (TGWBS)

[the guy who be short]

I'm posting Night 5 here too, because both Garin and I were too busy for more than three PMs! Alas, if we had discussed more, perhaps our fortunes may have been different...

Poor Naria, I should have saved her but I voted too early. Marc is definitely the seer and hasn't dreamt of you, Guy. We must kill her/him instantly. MARC IS THE SEER, LONG LIVE NARIA! (Garin)

Naria's death hardly comes as a surprise. I think we need to anticipate what the villagers will make of it. I think I may come under suspicion for my Naria vote on day 2 - a classic wolvish ploy they'll be looking for. I hope I can deflect it.
As for Marco being Seer, it seems possible but not definite. I thought it could be malka because she attacked me at a time when almost the entire village suspected me. But I will support killing Marco, then going for malka if that should fail.
Glirdan is definitely the Hunter, by the way. 100%. I looked over everything Cailin said before her death, and nobody else fits the bill. Tomorrow, if Marco is the Seer, we can kill him, if he continues to suspect Gil or SpM, and kill two birds with one stone.
I am busy tonight, and will probably get little analysis done. Sorry. But those are my thoughts.
Tomorrow, attack whoever seems opportune, I guess. Gil seems likely.
Prepare also for an analysis of everything Naria has said. Anybody she has voted for will appear innocent, meaning Nilp, who nobody suspects anyway, and Formen, which is a little worse for us. (TGWBS)

Malkatoj could be the seer, maybe. Both her and Marcolie have been hiding. Killing Marc will make me a suspect but if we have the seer it will be worth it. I am more inclined towards Marc because she was dead on with Naria and myself and said little to back it up. I've served as a wolf before with Malkatoj and can maybe get a little loyalty from her, but that can hardly be counted on.
I too am busy and cannot offer much today myself. I will check back in and hour and a half and PM the vote for Marc if I don't hear from you by then. (Garin)

For more thoughts, you will have to ask Garin, for I died the next Day...

[Garin]

Looking back at those posts. I just want to kick myself. So many missed opportunities.
I couldn't get over The Guy being eliminated so abruptly.
After that I was tempted to vote for myself, that might have saved me.
I don't know why I was so convinced that Marcolie was the seer. I just let my anger take over. It is not easy being furry.

[Glirdan]

Ah, you are wrong there, Glirdy. Since I knew you were going to hunt Sauce, I specifically PM-ed Menel to ask whether I could protect from Hunter attacks as well. He told me I could, so if the wolves had decided to kill you, I would still have protected Sauce. Though that would have been a rather awkward situation!

That would be rather wierd. How would it work? Would you have killed me or would the Wolves?? :confused:

Now I have a question for TGWBS and Garin: If you guys were positive that I was the Hunter, why didn't you kill me then?? Is it because you thought that Malka was the Seer? Because that wouln't really make sense if you knew with certainity that I was the Hunter and instead of taking two innocents (one Gifted) down in one blow you chose to take down Malka. Which does make sense. I'm just saying that wouldn't it be logical to have taken me down instead?

[mormegil]

*sigh*

If only you had killed Malka that night. I find it interesting that you didn't suspect me as the seer. I wish that you had and things might have gone differently too.

SpM what made you convinced of my cobblerishness?

[The Saucepan Man]

SpM what made you convinced of my cobblerishness?I posted earlier:

Once we got down to the double lynching discussions it became clear to me that morm was the Cobbler. An innocent morm would have been taking control, putting forward plans and generally being much more vocal.To expand a bit, I found it strange that you rejected the idea of a double lynch on the day that malka exposed TGWBS. You are normally up for a good double lynch and, as spawn's analysis showed, it would have been to the innocents' advantage. Then, the next day, when we were all basically agreed on a double lynch, you just sat back and let me do all the orchestrating (or try to :rolleyes: ), which was most un-morm-like. I would have expected you to be doing a lot more organising. By that stage, I was pretty sure that you were the Cobbler, although it was not long before you confirmed it.

[Garin]

Now I have a question for TGWBS and Garin: If you guys were positive that I was the Hunter, why didn't you kill me then?? Is it because you thought that Malka was the Seer? Because that wouln't really make sense if you knew with certainity that I was the Hunter and instead of taking two innocents (one Gifted) down in one blow you chose to take down Malka.
It is really a case of paranoia. In the beginning The Guy said I was doomed, I didn't expect to last. I was saved by the double-bluffing and then that filthy little Malkatoj showed up. I was resigned to being the wolf for the sake of the other wolves. I was certain that you (Glirdan) would pick me especially after we killed Cailin. We needed to take the seer out, once we discovered her identity. Trust me, I wanted to kill Glirdan instantly, upon discovery. But, I wanted to kill everyone.
I respected TGBWS 's propositions and deeply regret following more of a road of vengeance than reason. Of course, I think I am born more wolvish than innocent, so those are aspects of my character I need to examine and refine.

[the guy who be short]

In response to Glirdan:

I only figured out, with certainty, that you were the Hunter on Day 4. At Night 5, we wolves didn't have much time to discuss anything due to RL situations, so we took out Marco, thinking she was the Seer.

After that, Night 6, The Seer was the obvious target.

And, after that, Garin feared you would take him with you.

[Meneltarmacil]

Had the wolves attacked Glirdan on the Night that he and Cailín were protecting/hunting SpM, the following would happen.

1. Glirdan tries to kill Saucepan.
2. Cailín fights off Glirdan.
3. Wolves kill Glirdan.

I was hoping the wolves killed Glirdy that Night, as I'd have had fun writing the death scene.

Actually...

Glirdan looked around to make sure he wasn't going to be followed. He crept up to the house of the villager that he was hunting and drew his bow.

Just as he was about to shoot the villager, a masked figure dressed all in black lept from the roof and landed on him, knocking him to the ground.

"You!" shouted Glirdan. "This villager is a wolf! Get out of my way!"

The masked figure refused to move. "I'm not letting you kill an innocent tonight," said the Ranger.

As Glirdan stood wondering what to do next, three shadows bolted out of nowhere. Whether or not one of them had been the hunted/protected villager was impossible to tell. Glirdan tried to fire an arrow, but it all happened so fast. The wolves hauled the Hunter off into the woods, where they devoured him.

[Glirdan]

Ooooo!!!! How pleasently evil of you!! :D Now I wish they would have killed me that Night!! Btw Cailin, thanks for standing by while I get devoured! :rolleyes: :p

Thank you Wolves for answering me. It makes complete sense now. Thank you!!

[Garin]

If only you had killed Malka that night. I find it interesting that you didn't suspect me as the seer. I wish that you had and things might have gone differently too.
Why would we think you were the seer Morm?
You seemed an Ordo from the beginning, as did Sauce. Once again I must applaud Malkatoj for her bravery. If The Guy and I had more time to discuss things.... the outcome would be so different.
I view this as such an awful defeat.
EDIT: Falls upon sword.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Here's Bethiril (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=367896&postcount=61).

And here's Narvi (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=312861&postcount=25).

Hehe, good times.

Oh, and a final note: This is the only game so far where I felt I was actually useful. Not exactly smart, but at least useful. Thanks, guys. :)

[mormegil]

Why would we think you were the seer Morm?
You seemed an Ordo from the beginning, as did Sauce. Once again I must applaud Malkatoj for her bravery. If The Guy and I had more time to discuss things.... the outcome would be so different.
I view this as such an awful defeat.
EDIT: Falls upon sword.

I meant cobbler. But I guess I was thinking seer at the time because of Malka.

[Márcolië Lamen]

That was an interesting game despite me keep having problems playing. And thanks to the wolves for killing me, especially since it let malka stay alive and the villagers win. Its really surprising, but great to know that I actually was able to find wolves, and be thought to be the seer for it.

Great game all, and thanks all villagers for helping us to win.

[WaynetheGoblin]

i voted for my self so people would think i was the cobbler and not vote for me. It backfired.