WWJ VI: Return to Midsomer Mawlin - Kill me again

[Mithalwen]

Rules:

Night and day last 24 hours


3 Werewolves plot (PM) by night and choose a victim.

The Seer choses a fellow villager to dream of each night.

During the day the villagers discuss openly who to lynch.

To vote use a new line and embolden the name of your choice preceded by 2 plus signs, eg

++ Erenor

To retract a vote use the same principle but use minus signs, eg

--Erenor

++ Losrian

If a clear majority is reached, votes become non retractable and that person will be lynched.

In the event of voting closing with no clear majority the person with most votes will die, if there is a tie the Moderator will use her judgement to decide the result. She may most likely toss a coin however if the voting is strong enough (in argument as well as number) she may permit a double lynching. However this will be exceptional. You have retractable votes so you should be able to make a decision.

In the event of continued non-participation/non voting or behaviour inappropriate to the spirit of the game the Moddess will use her discretion to resolve matters as fairly as possible in the best interest of the game.

Absences should notified on the admin thread.

General queries should go there too ... anything confidential should be PMed.

Double posts are fine - please do not edit or delete.

Okies...?

[Mithalwen]

Though Spring was near it was a cold night in Midsomer Mawlin. The tiny village had been repopulated after those unfortunate events of last summer which had so blighted the community's chances of retaining it's crown as winner of "Britain in Bloom's "Small and peculiar village" category. However if the prize was simply for being peculiar Midsomer Mawlin would still win....

The dwellings had either been inherited by relatives who bore a strange resemblance in name and appearance to their previous occupants or had been sold to incomers.... incomers who nevertheless had much in common with the other residents.

They were all alone - not necessarily through choice but because their presence seemed to bring death and disaster to all those around them. Here of all places, they could do no harm. Or so they thought.

Mithalwen was about to retire to bed and was sipping a cup of chamomile tea. She had lately received a anonymous message "Beware the Ides of March" - she was not superstitious yet she had taken particular care that day remembering the dreadful accounts of the deaths in the village last summer - her poor kinswoman had been the first to fall victim. But the ides of March had come and almost gone.

There was a knock at the door - she looked through the window, only three of her fellow villagers - she opened the door. To late did she realise in the light of the full moon they were longer of nose and hirsuter of feature than before.

One carried a noose, another a knife the third a blue glass bottle subtly marked "Poison".

Mithalwen's last thought was "Oh no not again..."

[Mithalwen]

For the second time in less than a year the inhabitants of Midsomer Mawlin realised that the inhabitant of Nemesia Cottage was inexplicably missing. Noone answered the door. A check at the window showed a figure slumped over the desk.

Feanor of the Peredhil got the door open "Go go gadget Skeleton key"

Mithalwen was dead. A witless silence fell momentarily then things got very noisy.

Kuruharan and Azaelia of Willowbottom, both ex-CID started to argue about who had seniority.

Boromir88 once of the FBI started to make notes on his tape recorder.

The debate about who was to lead the investigation got hotter...

"As a world renowned cryptologist I am expert at solving clues...."said Mormegil.

"As Professor of Pathology, I can best explain cause of Death" said Oddwen her voice getting more Irish accented as her temper flared.

"As a brilliant diagnostician I could do better" countered Kitanna, leaning on her cane as she swallowed Vicadin.

"As a member of Her Majesty's Secret Service, I should lead " said Sleepy Ranger.

"As a feisty 17 year old californian, I say we should stop arguing" said Diamond 18, "this is no ordinary murder".

"I agree" said Jenny Hallu cleaning her thick rimmed glasses, I think this is supernatural, when I travelled in the Mystery Machine I saw lots of creepy stuff.

Gil-Galad the eccentric heir to Wayne Manor covered the body with his cape.

"I think we need to use our leetle grey cells" said Nogrod (who thought he was French but actually was Belgian).

"In which case I need a pint" said Kuraharan. "So do I", said Azealia the local detective. "It seems the werewolves are back - lets go and discuss this in the Pub."

Firefoot was too stunned to follow for a moment - the writer had left Cabot Cove to avoid this kind of thing. Seemingly that was not possible.

OK guys .... it is all yours. I will give you 24 hours but if a majority (ie 7) agree, I will post the lynching earlier...

[Boromir88]

Well to break the no talke. Through deductive reasoning and gathering evidence I'm sure we can pull together and find these perpetraters (sp?) I mean we are all detectives, or of some form are we not?

So, the first order of business with 3 wolves amongst 13 players means there's an approximate 1/4 ratio. So the 4 people who are 3 wolves are:

Now there are always the lamb in wolf's cloting...or is it the other way around? The wolf in lamb's clothing? Or is it sheep? I'm not good with wise aphorisms.

So for the lamb in wolf's clothing, or however you want to say it...

1) Diamond- I mean it's such a sweet name, diamond. Everyone thinks diamonds are pretty and sparkly. But all I see when I think of diamonds is a hefty hole in my wallet. Werewolfs=bad, diamonds=bad, put them together. You're all smart

Then the other 3 people who must be the two remaining wolves are...

1) Jenny- what's this mystery machine she's talking about? How did she come up with this? Only a werewolf could conjure up such a silly thing.

2) Feanor- Why "Go, go Skeleton key," huh fancy stuff? Why don't you say "Go, go, fireball" and blast away the wolves?

3) mormegil- ok mr. cryptologist solve this one for me? Where are the perpetrators?

Well there we are fellow detectives/bogus superheroes. I've said my share, speak up.

[mormegil]

Well blimey gov'nur who do you think dun it? I know that it wasn't me...or at least I think it wasn't me. Me noggin's been acting a bit funny as of late and I know not whom to trust. I put a trusty little list together meself I did.

Boromir88
Jenny Hallu
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kitanna
Diamond18
Mormegil
Nogrod
Sleepy Ranger
Gil-galad
Firefoot
Azaelia of Willowbottom
Kuruharan
Oddwen

on it as anyone with peepers can see is all the names of those who occupy our little town with the noticable exclusion of poor dear Mith, whom I bemoan. WHY YOU MITH?!? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!!! IT'S JUST NOT FAIR...wait! Will this funeral be a catered affair? Sounds good to me!

[JennyHallu]

Jeepers! Werewolves!

I agree, Boro, that the Mystery Machine is an odd contraption. But in my defense, it was my friend Fred's idea.

I'm so upset at Mith's death! From my vast experience, I am sure these are only people in werewolf-costumes, however, not real werewolves. They're never real werewolves, and real werewolves would have had a hard time killing Mith without mauling her. However, without my old friends and our trusty dog, I don't know how we'll ever find the murderers.

[mormegil]

AHA! I've put it together. It's not really about werewolves at all. It's a drug war. Let me explain. JennyHallu and her 'mystery machine' is only a front for the mass distrubution of illegal substance. Mith, our 'pilgrim soul' came in and invaded their turf a bit for as we all know, or should know, pilgrim soul was her title but it really was an anagram for 'Grills Opium'. Case solved. Now who are Jenny's accomplises?

[JennyHallu]

If I were involved in a drug war, Morm, would I have pointed out these could not possibly be real werewolves?

If you are worried about drugs, I would suggest taking a hard look at Sleepy Ranger. How else would the man look so somnolent all the time? Honestly, he's almost as bad as my old friend Shaggy.

[Kuruharan]

It's a drug war.

Speaking of which...what have you been smoking? ;)

Just because we have werewolves on the loose doesn't mean that we can let all the other laws go all to pot...I mean fall by the wayside (did I say "pot"?)

In other words, I'm still going to be hot on the trail of all you litterbugs, jaywalkers, and those dangerous people who take the tags off of pillows that say "Do not remove under penalty of Law." (I never could stand those people.)

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the recent rash of jaywalking and the outbreak of werewolves is more than coincidental.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Go go gadget bandwagon!

++Kuruharan

I ♥ you, Kuru. *looks sweet*

[JennyHallu]

*checks pillows* I seem to be good, Kuru!


I also think we should be keeping a close eye on Gil-Galad. The man walks around town dressed as a bat...obviously he has deep-seated issues.

And did anyone have a grudge against Mith? It's always the ones with a grudge...

[Kitanna]

1) Diamond- I mean it's such a sweet name, diamond. Everyone thinks diamonds are pretty and sparkly. But all I see when I think of diamonds is a hefty hole in my wallet. Werewolfs=bad, diamonds=bad, put them together. You're all smart
I also think we should be keeping a close eye on Gil-Galad. The man walks around town dressed as a bat...obviously he has deep-seated issues.
If we're going to do things like that I think we should watch out for Firefoot. I mean Mith had received a message before her death saying "Beware the Ides of March" a quote made famous by Shakespeare. Shakespeare who was a writer. Mmmm, and Firefoot is a writer. Coincidence? I think not.

Anywho, I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes deal early on. Why am I not surprised?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Anywho, I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes deal early on. Why am I not surprised?
I'm not abusing it, I'm enjoying it. It's a form of recreation. Much like mormy's drugs. :smokin:

[mormegil]

I have further substantiation of my theory.

JennyHallu really means AN HUN's JELLY, which of course the Hun's enjoyed their Opium egro kill Mith means more profit.

[Nogrod]

Some people here seem to be emptying their pints with quite a haste?

But maybe we should also use our "little grey cells". Well, basically, that is nothing I have invented myself: it surely was that Belgian guy, much more sophisticated than I am. But as I still am an inspector, I would like to propose an idea to be thought of by us all. I know, I almost got lynched the first day in my last game to go on proposing this, but I might try it again, as this company is made out of experts in this inspecting stuff.

So I propose, we start to insert some pressure on the wolves (or drugdealers, or whatever we have here) by voicing our common concern with the silent partners (silent = not posting, or only posting nonsense). We might even "decide" to go for them as the evening draws nearer, if we don't have better ideas.

Why this way?
1) These silent one's are like submarines: they become all the more nauseating and dangerous as the game goes on, and the number of players reduces.
2) The first day lynching is quite random anyhow, with this one, we could have at least something to stand with (not picking randomly the one who is two names down from oneself in the original list of players - I've seen that reasoning in a game!), and in the worst scenario, eg. there really being people who actually don't play, having them removed in the first day, not dragging them all the way to the more critical situations.
3) It would make the wolves posting during the first day: something that could turn out to be useful later on.
4) These silent ones are not good gaming company anyhow. And any specific RL hindrances should be declared in the admin. thread.

I hope this concern is invalid, and all the players turn up, with something to say. The list looks promising, but still...

And I know, that it's hard to make the difference between nonsense and sense, at least on the first day.

But I hope you consider this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Oh fine.

--Kuruharan

I tried. *pouts*

Nogrod, I like your idea. Mercilessly slaughter the quiet ones. If you have a legitimate reason to be away, we'll know it. If you don't, you're simply floating. It's better for everyone if all are forced to participate. That way if somebody, for example, says "Fea's a wolf.", they'll actually have some evidence to back them up.

See? I've learned things in my college writing courses. When you make a statement, you have to back it up. All killing quieties does is ascertain that we'll have our works cited page. :D

So... can I kill you Nogrod? Please? I need somebody onto whom I can latch. ;)

[Nogrod]

And btw. we really should start with nonsense. I totally agree. What else can we do? But let's just see, who can't come out from it and start making sense as the day goes forwards...

I'll add a piece to this other part of the first day maddness.

= Jenny
And did anyone have a grudge against Mith? It's always the ones with a grudge...

Well, she just made me Hercule Poirot in the introduction, as I am not! Grudge-grudge... :rolleyes:

[Firefoot]

If we're going to do things like that I think we should watch out for Firefoot. I mean Mith had received a message before her death saying "Beware the Ides of March" a quote made famous by Shakespeare. Shakespeare who was a writer. Mmmm, and Firefoot is a writer. Coincidence? I think not. You know, if being accused of werewolvery is what it takes to be compared with Shakespeare... I think I can take that. :D :cool: And if you really want to know if I'm a wolf, compare me to JRRT and you won't even have to lynch me - I'll die and go to heaven. :D

But if you, Kitanna, are a wolf, I will unfortunately have to conclude that you were on drugs when you said that and assume that it is not true, which would be extremely sad. So don't be a wolf.

[Nogrod]

= Boromir88
So, the first order of business with 3 wolves amongst 13 players means there's an approximate 1/4 ratio.

This I find both intriguing and most fun. So from every randomly picked four people, we will have one wolf listed with them. That's the probability law. And I know, that this "spreading the first day vote" -tactics, kind of clings to just this fact.

It's quite easy to form a group of four from us lot. And still everytime, it would turn out one wolf by the probabilities.

So if I just say, as a way of probing, that both Feanor and Boromir have been very happy to go on making dire accusations, I could have formed a group of two: meaning that there is a 50% chance of another one of them being a wolf! And add Kitanna to that group of accusers, we have a group of three, and so 75%! That same of course applies, if I say, that me and Jenny have played our first ever two games together, so we form a 50% chance to you others - as do Oddwen and Kuruharan, whose names both end with the letter "n" etc.

For this kind of reasons too, I would be sticking more happily to this "not participating" -tactics as a first reason to go on with the votes this first evening.

There are so far 5 people (Diamond, Sleepy, Gil, Azaelia and Oddwen) who have not yet posted anything, due to the timezones, most probably. But if some people still stand on this kind of list as the day draws to a close?

And a random spread-vote has one great problem in it. We risk lynching a vocal (and thence possibly helpful) villager with a probability of 3/4. That's just too much for us villagers, and would suit the wolves just fine... (they won't be wasting their time, during the nights, on the silent ones)

[mormegil]

++Nogrod

Far too eager to lynch the quiet ones. It's only been 3 to 4 hours and he's worrying about this. I won't retract my vote at this point today unless something major comes to light wot wot.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So if I just say, as a way of probing, that both Feanor and Boromir have been very happy to go on making dire accusations, I could have formed a group of two: meaning that there is a 50% chance of another one of them being a wolf!
Um... It's been over a year since I've taken maths and I rather loathed it through highschool, ergo I could be wrong. But if a ratio is 1:4 out of a randomly chosen group, then shouldn't the corresponding ratio of a smaller randomly chosen group be .5:2?

Following Nogrod's example, Boro or I would only be half-lupine by probability.

Or I'm misunderstanding the example?

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

For this kind of reasons too, I would be sticking more happily to this "not participating" -tactics as a first reason to go on with the votes this first evening.

There are so far 5 people (Diamond, Sleepy, Gil, Azaelia and Oddwen) who have not yet posted anything, due to the timezones, most probably. But if some people still stand on this kind of list as the day draws to a close?

And a random spread-vote has one great problem in it. We risk lynching a vocal (and thence possibly helpful) villager with a probability of 3/4. That's just too much for us villagers, and would suit the wolves just fine... (they won't be wasting their time, during the nights, on the silent ones)

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't see where you're coming from. I live in an area (EST) which makes it so hard for me to get online right after the start of the game. My entry times will vary each day, but expect me right around this time on weekdays.

I think your call to lynch the quiet ones came just a bit too early. I can see if maybe I didn't show up until right before the deadline, or had missed the first day entirely without advance notice, then yes. There might be some justification there to lynch me (though I wouldn't be happy about it, of course). But just a few hours late? I'm sure I speak for all of us "silent ones" when I say, please, a little grace period would be wonderful.

And before anyone picks on me for voting early, this is a heads-up. I am going to be voting in a few hours, possibly sooner, because of time constraints again.

And allow me to say, if nothing changes, I will probably be voting for you, Norgod, just because your eagerness to get rid of the people who may not be able to get online for a few more hours just doesn't sit right with me.

Cheers!

[Boromir88]

I'm sure I speak for all of us "silent ones" when I say, please, a little grace period would be wonderful.~Azaelia
When we have wolves no one deserves a grace period, darling. Though I do agree that timezones and other RL reasons should be taken into consideration and not make "quietness" the soul reason to lynch someone.

That way if somebody, for example, says "Fea's a wolf.", they'll actually have some evidence to back them up.~Fea
You know my tape recorder is still playing? Do we have a confession! :p

Far too eager to lynch the quiet ones. It's only been 3 to 4 hours and he's worrying about this. I won't retract my vote at this point today unless something major comes to light wot wot.~mormegil
Fine deduction mormegil. In fact it's very unusual to have wolves laying back quietly the first day. Now I know this goes to incriminate me, but wolves like to stick their paws in business. Eventhough, there is typically a quiet, flying under the radar, type wolf, to obscure from discussion on Day 1 for wolves is unusual. They have an advantage we don't, they know who they are and they already come into the day with a strategy and a plan for how they can stick their paws in the situation.

So, I would agree with mormegil and say that Nogrod you are definitely looking odd with your persistance to get us focused on the "quiet" ones. We aren't hear to lynch quiet people, we're here to lynch wolves.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Well. My time is up, as I have other things that must get done this evening (ie homework, talking with family members, etc). I've been sitting here waiting for anyone to post, but no such luck.

So here's my vote.

++Norgod

Because I said I would, and nothing has happened to change my mind. I hate voting this early on, since I don't have a good sense of who anyone is yet. First days are always tough, and time restrictions don't make it any easier. My vote actually has a reason behind it: so far, he seems to be the most aggressive toward silent members, and that sent up a red flag, since it was so early on in the day, and in the life of this village.

Norgod, there is a hole in your reasoning: you claim that spreading out the vote will cause us to lynch a vocal, and therefore helpful villager. Sure, perhaps in terms of outward appearance. But what if that person whose vocal-ness (ha! new word!) you value so much is really a wolf, masquerading as a helpful, talkative villager?

Granted, a quiet villager could be a wolf trying to fly under the radar, as it were. There's two sides to any argument.

I'm not saying lynch the loud ones. I'm not saying lynch the quiet ones. I'm saying, think, and think hard before voting, even on the first day.

I realize that being hte second vote for someone looks suspicious especially to a person in favor of spreading out the vote. I don't trust anyone's innocence but my own at this point, and am voting for the person who I find most suspicious. I'm not going to try to spread out the vote and go after someone who hasn't even had a chance to speak yet, because it isn't fair.

Edit: Cross-posted with Boro.

Boro, perhaps my wording was off, in that statement in question. What I meant to say is that I think that an early call to lynch people who haven't spoken yet is not necessarily the right way to go about it, and to give people a chance to speak before crying wolf. Who knows, maybe our seer is one of the people who haven't spoken yet.

[Boromir88]

Oh one more thing...
I agree, Boro, that the Mystery Machine is an odd contraption. But in my defense, it was my friend Fred's idea.~Jenny
Well aiding and abedding my dear should not go unpunished. So, he goes by Fred, hey, I wonder what person in this village would go by that alias. Well, there was this famous female author, that I forget, who used a male name as a pen name, because ladies weren't allowed to be writing back in the day or something. Is it the same case with this Fred? Doe was have a female going by a male alias? Hmm...

Feanor
Azaelia
Jenny
Firefoot
Kitanna
Diamond
Oddwen

Those are all the female villager (I hope at least if I'm wrong please correct me and you'll have my full apology). So, which one goes by Fred? Well can't be Jenny, unless she has a multiple personality...in the day she's Jenny, and by night she's Fred? Hmmm...

I would imagine Feanor to use a much more sophisticated name then Fred, since she's Fea.

To figure this out, I do have a female friend who named her horse Mr. Fred...how funny is that? Firefoot is the name of a horse, therefor Firefoot is this Fred, so Firefoot is Fred! By golly I did it. Firefoot, there a secret you want to tell us? Where were you on the night of December 15, 1995?

[Diamond18]

1) Diamond- I mean it's such a sweet name, diamond. Everyone thinks diamonds are pretty and sparkly. But all I see when I think of diamonds is a hefty hole in my wallet. Werewolfs=bad, diamonds=bad, put them together. You're all smart

First person to speak up accuses me right off the bat. Why am I not surprised it's Boromir? He was the first to express a desire to kill, before this black day even started. A sure sign of unnatural, beastly blood lust.

But does this mean he's a werewolf? Does his seeming obsession with Wile E. Coyote indicate a certain proclivity for doggishness, stemming from his wolfish true nature? Who can say? He might just be your average male.

Here's some food for thought: if I am killed in the night, it might either be Boro or someone trying to look like Boro. Or Boro trying to look like someone trying to look like Boro. Which means, in essence, any logic behind my death will be canceled out. Which means, I'm an easy kill -- when I die you'll be too busy trying to figure out the logic behind it to see other, clearer hints that point toward the wolves.

In essence, you should not lynch me today because I am the perfect ambiguous kill for the werewolves in the night. Maybe not this night, but eventually, mark my words. If you lynch me in hopes that the wolves will pick another victim, you'll be hanging an innocent on purpose and that's just nasty.

If you think I'm a wolf, well, there's really no evidence for or against at this point, so all you have is a guess.

But wouldn't you rather wait to see who the wolves kill first? Boro or me?

I'm not exactly advocating that you not lynch Boro. I realize that standing up for any fellow villager casts pack suspicion on me. Of course, since I know that, would I as a werewolf endanger myself so? Or would I do it on purpose in the assurance that you'll think I couldn't possibly be that stupid? There is no sure answer. So if I say, "Don't lynch me or Boro today," I leave it to you guess whether it's due to the above stated reasons or secret werewolf plotting. Though, if you'd like my opinion, if I were a werewolf I'd find the whole "They won't think I'd do the obvious" scheme to be a little too cheeky. Mainly, I'm just trying save my own derriere by convincing you I'm too interesting to kill.

I don't have anyone exactly in mind for lynching yet.

On a somewhat unrelated note, is it okay for me to say which detective I am? Because I'm pretty sure most of you have no idea, since I picked someone rather obscure.

[Diamond18]

PS -- if you want any hints, I am running off to watch her on TV right this minute.

[Firefoot]

To figure this out, I do have a female friend who named her horse Mr. Fred...how funny is that? Firefoot is the name of a horse, therefor Firefoot is this Fred, so Firefoot is Fred! By golly I did it. Firefoot, there a secret you want to tell us? Where were you on the night of December 15, 1995? Fred? How dull a name (no offense if any of your names is Fred...). My name isn't Fred. Case in point.

While I can see where many of you are coming from with your points about Nogrod, I'm not sure that it merits lynching him. The problem with retractable votes is people are so eager to get votes out there you can't tell if they're completely serious or just trying to put them out there. You say that Nogrod's too eager to lynch the quiet ones, but some of you seem extremely eager to lynch Nogrod... on the other hand, I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.

[Boromir88]

You say that Nogrod's too eager to lynch the quiet ones, but some of you seem extremely eager to lynch Nogrod... on the other hand, I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.~Firefoot
Usually that's not the case, though again who knows what the wolves strategy is as far as sticking out there and voting first?

Now I would usually hone in on Azaelia because she quickly followed mormegil's vote for Nogrod. However, if this is the last chance she'll be on, and as she has given viable reason to suspect him (and really that is the most suspicious thing-even though I agree that it doesn't constitute a "let's throw Nogrod in the middle for a public stoning.") then she seems more innocent then some as of right now.

Well through some deductions, as far as this moment I am inclined to believe that Azaelia, Diamond, and Firefoot are innocent (at this moment in time, doesn't mean I can't change.

Azaelia, as explained above. Firefoot for her sensible post, I hope she continues to make contributions like that. Diamond, because of her response to my comment on diamonds being bad.

So for me, as of right now before I retire, this leaves:

Jenny Hallu
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kitanna
Mormegil
Nogrod
Sleepy Ranger
Gil-galad
Kuruharan
Oddwen

Sleepy, Gil-galad, and Oddwen have yet to say something. Oddwen was going to have difficulty finding time, so for now I can't hold anything against her. Gil-galad is going to be Gil-galad he'll be an easy target to be lynched...well because he's Gil-galad. Sleepy I have yet to encounter with so I will with hold judgement on him for now.

Kuru and mormegil unless one of them is a kind wolf and admits it I won't cry for lynching them as their input would be valuable. But, I must say I expect more from mormegil his behavior seems rather eccentric. I don't know I expect him to post more, if you get what I mean. He has made his random accusations, like most everyone else, but usually he posts something of substance and I haven't seen it. But, since this is Day 1 and there isn't much substance I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Jenny and Fea are in a lighthearted mood. Which doesn't seem too suspicious, I would expect wolves to act more sorrowfully (I love making up words) acting as they are so depressed and sad over our Mithalwen's death, when really their grinning underneath their tears. I haven't encountered Jenny until now, but I don't put anything past the wheeling and deeling Fea.

Kitanna comes on does a random accusation of Firefoot, not much to say on her.

Nogrod, most suspicious looking, but nothing that cries out that he's a werewolf.

[mormegil]

Fine deduction mormegil

Later

I expect more from mormegil his behavior seems rather eccentric. I don't know I expect him to post more, if you get what I mean. He has made his random accusations, like most everyone else, but usually he posts something of substance and I haven't seen it.

A bit of a contradiction. You compliment my deduction and later say I've posted nothing of substance. My friend verbosity does not equate to substance. Now my dear Boro do you care to explain.

While I can see where many of you are coming from with your points about Nogrod, I'm not sure that it merits lynching him.

Oh yes it does!

The problem with retractable votes is people are so eager to get votes out there you can't tell if they're completely serious or just trying to put them out there.

True but know that I am.

I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.

Yes they would.

[Gil-Galad]

alas it is a bad time for this village... during times like these plagues democarcy is vacant and many innocents lose their lives

[Oddwen]

Well well nae, mah wee bairns, seems we have a fouul murrrrrrrder on aer hands...

True - Nogrod seems hasty to accuse the quiet ones early - and Morm & B88 - sparring off?

We risk lynching a vocal (and thence possibly helpful) villager with a probability of 3/4. That's just too much for us villagers, and would suit the wolves just fine... (they won't be wasting their time, during the nights, on the silent ones)
Who says all the vocal people are helpful? And how do you know the wolves think the quiet ones are a "waste"? So early in the game? And again?

Doe was have a female going by a male alias? Hmm...
What if this "Fred" is short for "Alfreda", hmm?
Bah.

I'll see about more in the morning.

[Kuruharan]

I'm not so sure that Nogrod is really on such a wrong track in wanting to focus on quiet ones to begin with. They...how to put this...don't exactly help the proceedings along very much. However, this also makes them an easy early target for wolf guided lynching.

There is, unfortunately, only one test to determine the intentions of those who propose lynching quiet ones. It is a bit drastic and unreliable because the only thing you really prove is whether that person was or was not a wolf. Since it is more likely that any one person is innocent, if the accuser turns out to be innocent, then you haven't proven a thing and have just cast a chill over people speaking their minds.

Of course, on the other hand, they might be a wolf.

However, now there don't really seem to be any "quiet ones" left. At least I think everybody has posted...

The good news is that we at least have an opening theory to work from...sort of.

[Kitanna]

Well, I see Nogrod has made quite a name for himself since I last checked. His "lynch the silent villagers" plan seems more malicious than wolfish to me. Why this way?
1) These silent one's are like submarines: they become all the more nauseating and dangerous as the game goes on, and the number of players reduces.
2) The first day lynching is quite random anyhow, with this one, we could have at least something to stand with (not picking randomly the one who is two names down from oneself in the original list of players - I've seen that reasoning in a game!), and in the worst scenario, eg. there really being people who actually don't play, having them removed in the first day, not dragging them all the way to the more critical situations.
3) It would make the wolves posting during the first day: something that could turn out to be useful later on.
4) These silent ones are not good gaming company anyhow. And any specific RL hindrances should be declared in the admin. thread.
His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often. Despite his overeagerness to get the silent ones I'd hesitate voting for him (at this point at least). I feel this move on his part is too wreckless for a wolf. But still Nogrod has raised a few warning flags, yet, for me it is too early to make a desicion that can comdemn him.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Just thought I'd check in. I'm still around; watching. I'm uncertain of my thoughts toward Nogrod. The inexplicably random part of me is calling for a closer look at him. Nobody addressed my maths question, and that makes me sad, since I don't know if I'm right or wrong about the whole probability thing.

The nice calm (read: exhausted) part of me says "Let's let it all wait until tomorrow. We'll think about Nogrod then." The awake part (read: I had caffiene recently) says "It already is tomorrow. It turned tomorrow while you were outlining your term paper in the studio as your screen-filler dried and you were trying to come up with next week's lesson plan. Just lynch him, see if he's a wolf trying to manipulate us, and if he's innocent, feel a bit bad and then take his advice as what it then would obviously be: that of an outspoken innocent. And if he IS innocent, you can take close looks at anybody that voted for him. Evidence is evidence no matter the circumstances under which it is gained."

As you can see, when I'm tired, the voices in my head argue as to what I ought to be thinking about villagers that everybody else thinks are suspicious. I'm rather of the opinion that I should ignore the caffiene, since it's also saying that I should cartwheel down my hall. I haven't seen anything of Nogrod to make me nervous. All of Nogrod's points seemed and still seem pretty valid. What's got me wondering at all is that Zali and Morm seem so worried. Maybe they've seen something I haven't.

Which is why, after this meandering post, I've decided to wait until after class tomorrow (I'll be back around 12:30 PM EST) to make any decisions. In theory, by that point I'll be a bit rested. Try not to kill anyone without me. But talk a lot. Especially the wolves. It would be very nice of you to come out and reveal yourselves. Please? It would be fun. You like fun. Right?

[Diamond18]

Well, I for one still have no idea who to vote for. Everyone seems equal parts suspicious and innocent. I would have to read over everything a few more times to find any clues, but my brain is slowly dying. Posts swim before my eyes as they glaze over. My eyes, not the posts. See? Even my participles are dangling in a weary fasion. Maybe I'll have some of that caffiene Fea is operating on....

I could do the totally random thing and throw out a vote for just anyone, or jump on the Nogrod bandwagon, but I am paralyzed with the fear that whatever I do will cast suspicion. Curses and bother. I think I will check back in the morning (or, as it is in the hallowed hereafter where the ghost of our beloved Mith dwells and dictactes the fates of us all, the evening) to see what other people with more initiative have decided. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

I thought of opening some discussion. Well, I surely seem to have succeeded. Thanks people for your confidence!

But just to mend some quite clear misunderstandings.

Mormegil: Far too eager to lynch... It's only been 3 to 4 hours and he's worrying this...
Azaelia: ...call for lynch... came just a bit too early.

I think I said it quite clearly: we should consider this, and then make decisions: not on the third hour, but at the time anyone has to make her/his decision.

And Azaelia. See what I write here (in a paragraph you yourself quoted)

= Nogrod
There are so far 5 people (Diamond, Sleepy, Gil, Azaelia and Oddwen) who have not yet posted anything, due to the timezones, most probably. But if some people still stand on this kind of list as the day draws to a close?


So I was not forgetting that people have different timezones: on the contrary, I openly discussed the matter, as you see.

= Oddwen
Who says all the vocal people are helpful? And how do you know the wolves think the quiet ones are a "waste"? So early in the game? And again?


Vocal wolf is helpful for us - at least more helpful than a silent one. And a vocal villager is of help (if s/he's having some substance - I admit that "vocalness" was a wrong choice of a word here: "substantial" is better), as a silent one is not.

And I can't see any reason for a wolf to kill a silent villager during the night. They cause no threat to them, and can be left freefloating for the villagers to be worried about.

And for my "bloodlust" again. Don't be hypocritical about us not needing to vote today. You can think about your reasons for voting at the first minute. I think one should!

And if you search for a quick to hunger blood, take a look at Morm. f.ex. ;)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod
Why this way?
1) These silent one's are like submarines: they become all the more nauseating and dangerous as the game goes on, and the number of players reduces.
2) The first day lynching is quite random anyhow, with this one, we could have at least something to stand with (not picking randomly the one who is two names down from oneself in the original list of players - I've seen that reasoning in a game!), and in the worst scenario, eg. there really being people who actually don't play, having them removed in the first day, not dragging them all the way to the more critical situations.
3) It would make the wolves posting during the first day: something that could turn out to be useful later on.
4) These silent ones are not good gaming company anyhow. And any specific RL hindrances should be declared in the admin. thread.


His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often.


Well, that was not intended like that. I have been in two games, and at both ones, there have been people who write max. once a day, and say only "Oh how sad X died... boohoohoo..." And that's it. All of it! I don't think anyone likes to play with that kind of players - then see reason 1). We seem to be having something like an example on Gil (again) today. If there are no other posts by him today, then you see what I mean with "silent" or "nonsubstantial"... :)

I really enjoy playing with someone, who only posts once a day, if there really is substance in that post (well, at least twice should of course be better).

[Oddwen]

there have been people who write max. once a day, and say only "Oh how sad X died... boohoohoo..." And that's it.
True...those people aren't helpful...


And dang, that's all I can think of to say.

[Sleepy Ranger]

The names Ranger, Sleepy Ranger... I'll have a mountain dew, shaken not stirred.

As it is the first day and seeing how someone has to die, don't worry you only live twice, and seeing how I doubt I'll be able to post much more today I've decided to shoot at random. Not that it really matters since I have a license to kill.

++Feanor of the Peredhil

Nothing personal, dear, just about the whole WWJ I thing you see... oh wait... I guess it is personal. :)

[Firefoot]

Concerning Nogrod's math: I think it is a bit faulty, but I'm too lazy to go and figure out what it ought to be.

It's time for me to vote, and I am wholly undecided. Some thoughts:

B88 did contradict himself on the point of morm, as morm pointed out. He seems fairly eager to get some control in this game, but it seems like I remember that being fairly normal for him. Possibly a vote here, although I am reluctant at this early stage to vote out one of the most substantially-posting players.

Diamond went pretty far into a defense of herself because of the accusation based on her name. I'm not sure it means anything, but I have noticed that newcomer wolves are sometimes overly defensive. I'm not sure this applies here since she sounded fairly even-minded through all of it.

True to form, Gil-Galad has said virtually nothing.

I don't think that Nogrod merits lynching yet.

Shoot, I'm out of time. I highly doubt I'll be on again, and wish I didn't have to make this vote in haste:

++Gil-Galad

About as random as anything, I guess, and with nothing else to go on on the first day, the least helpful players can go first...

[Oddwen]

++SLEEPY RANGER

Because I don't really want to vote for Nogrod - and he's jumping in with a vote...though so did Fea. And he voted for Fea. Hmm.

[JennyHallu]

Hi guys!

Sleepy, don't shake that! You'll get everybody sticky!

++Sleepy Ranger, for shaking his soda.

OK...now to business.

--Sleepy Ranger

Nogrod, still stirring the pot, I see? In a previous incarnation I seem to remember you got much the same response to your first day's Lynch the Quiet Ones call...a general "Huh? Now? WHY?" from across the village. It makes you look guiltier than Lady MacBeth, scrubbing her hands.

But, as I have seen you do this before, and know the outcome of that particular village, I'm inclined to believe--for now--that you aren't a wolf. I'll be keeping an eye on you, definitely.


Gil-Galad...I really wish you would say something more substantial. I haven't decided if I'm going to vote for you today, but I'm certainly inclined to. I'll need a good reason why not.


As for the rest of you...honestly, how much can one be expected to tell in one day? None of you really look suspicious, but it's rather soon to tell, don't you think? I'll be keeping my eyes open, but I'm at work and my focus won't be complete.

++Gil-Galad
unless something happens to make me change my mind.

[Boromir88]

A bit of a contradiction. You compliment my deduction and later say I've posted nothing of substance. My friend verbosity does not equate to substance. Now my dear Boro do you care to explain.~mormegil
Ok, an honest mistake, I had forgotten about what you pointed out to Nogrod because your first couple posts were pretty much mumbo bull. :p But, I admit it was a contradiction, see I admit when I'm wrong, I like people who do.

So he's the voting so far (though of course there are retractables):

Nogrod: 2 (mormegil, Azaelia)
Feanor: 1 (sleepy)
Gil-galad: 1 (Firefoot)

His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often. Despite his overeagerness to get the silent ones I'd hesitate voting for him (at this point at least). I feel this move on his part is too wreckless for a wolf. But still Nogrod has raised a few warning flags, yet, for me it is too early to make a desicion that can comdemn him.~Kitanna
That makes you look more innocent then guilty, so for today I won't be crying for you lynching.

Which means I'll probably be voting for one of these remaining people:

Kuruharan
mormegil
Feanor
Sleepy
Oddwen
Nogrod
Gil-galad

Kuruharan and mormegil I'm willing not to go after today. It very well could be that one of them is a wolf, but I'll let them go today, for their typical logical input.

Feanor is an interesting one, she's going to play the same whether she's a wolf or an innocent, which makes her dangerous (if she's a wolf). I made a mistake saying morm hasn't posted anything of worth, but it's no mistake saying Feanor hasn't posted anything accept talking about the voices she hears in her head. :rolleyes:

Sleepy, not much to go on with him, and I have no particular reason that stands out why I should vote for him. Oddwen same way, has contributed and nothing that sticks out as a "Here's your wolf sign."

Nogrod, I still have the same feeling. As mormegil pointed out we were about 4 hrs into the day and he's already talking about people who haven't posted yet. He says he was just trying to get discussion, which I think is reasonable, but is it innocent trying to be helpful, or is he being the clever wolf poller?...trying to see where the village stands and make his plan with his buds?

Gil-galad, will stay the same from beginning to end. The wolves most likely will keep him around because he'll be an easy target if one of them ever get in trouble. Which means if we want him gone we have to lynch him, but even if he is the same Gil, as long as he stays around and casts his vote and helps in that way then I don't see a reason to lynch him. The thing with Gil that always gets me worried is he's like Fea, only worse. He'll stay the same whether wolf or innocent and you can never put a finger on him.

So my vote will probably be either for Nogrod, Feanor, or Gil-galad...unless there's drastic changes.

[JennyHallu]

Why do I always get forgotten when people make lists?

[Boromir88]

Crossposted with Jenny and Oddwen make that:

Nogrod: 2 (mormegil, Azaelia)
Gil-galad: 2 (Firefoot, Jenny)
Sleepy: 1 (Oddwen)
Feanor: 1 (Sleepy)

[Boromir88]

Why do I always get forgotten when people make lists?~Jenny
Those in my list are the ones that I wasn't sure yet on what to decide. You'll notice Azaelia, Firefoot, Diamond, and Kitanna are also missing because I feel like they're are innocent as far as right now and there's no reason to vote for them. Unless you there's a reason you want me to put you on the list of possible votees? I mean I can do that...if you want to.

[JennyHallu]

:D No it's ok...I just wondered. In a previous incarnation the person who turned out to be the seer did a long, player-by-player analysis of every member...Except for me...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Good morning! I know, it's still early after getting in late. I promise I'll have a post of substance up, if you can wait until I get back from a three hour class that starts in 20 minutes. I'd have done it last night but I was away from my computer without fail from about 7:00 until 2:00 AM, after which I rambled a bit and went to bed.

A brief description of my post is this: who suspects whom, who seems to be defending whom, who's voted for whom, and interesting points of information. Following will be a brief summary of my thoughts on the player.

[Nogrod]

Nogrod, I still have the same feeling. As mormegil pointed out we were about 4 hrs into the day and he's already talking about people who haven't posted yet. He says he was just trying to get discussion, which I think is reasonable, but is it innocent trying to be helpful, or is he being the clever wolf poller?...trying to see where the village stands and make his plan with his buds?


It seems very hard to communicate to one another. Or then some people are just pushing this total misunderstanding forwards in purpose. Or they don't read other peoples' mails. I'm not sure, which one is the nastiest option.

I have not wanted to lynch anyone by their not posting at 4 hours to the game! C'mon people! I have all the time said, that we must see it when the evening draws closer. I myself will probably be voting here among the last ones - as not to vote for someone too early, with no reasons behind the vote!

PS. Firefoot (and whoever it was that pointed it out earlier) is right about the maths in my earlier post, it doesn't go that way. My fault. 50% would make the ratio of villagers and wolves to 50-50. Stupid of me.

[Boromir88]

A brief description of my post is this: who suspects whom, who seems to be defending whom, who's voted for whom, and interesting points of information. Following will be a brief summary of my thoughts on the player.~Fea
You know I can't wait, what does the great Go Go inspector Peredhil have to say about us (me in particular).

I have not wanted to lynch anyone by their not posting at 4 hours to the game! C'mon people! I have all the time said, that we must see it when the evening draws closer. I myself will probably be voting here among the last ones - as not to vote for someone too early, with no reasons behind the vote!~Nogrod
A bit defensive? Now you are twisting around what I'm saying. I never said you wanted to lynch anyone. I said you were rather hasty saying we should go after the quiet ones and commented who they were, and it was a very short time into the Day. Your reason given seems logical, but I don't question the logic I question the intent. Were you trying to start up discussion to help and view people, or were you going around polling what the general consensus was of the village?

Now I must bid you all an adieu, I shall certainly be back, I wouldn't miss what the all wise Fea has to say.

[Kuruharan]

We have a nice selection of candidates that have garnered votes here.

Unfortunately, that is about the best that can be said on DAY ONE.

I wouldn't miss what the all wise Fea has to say.

Scary isn't it.

[Nogrod]

I'll be off to a school-meeting and hope to be back before the end of the day. If the end is at 7.45 GMT, then I will surely make it.

But if I'm wrong about it, then I will have to do something now.

And just as to give some new ideas to the table, I'll go for

++ Mormegil

And will surely retract it, if there is some better points made while I'm away (and especially if Gil doesn't turn out before the end).

But why?

1) His overhasty, ill-willed vote for me with no grounds whatsoever (disguised as a justified reaction, which it surely was not). Speaks of the evil, not of a constructive fellow-villager.

2) Accusing others of being blood-thirsty and acting as much worse himself (not only suggesting something to be considered, but accusing and also voting, by saying, not probably retracting).

3) Playing to the hands of the wolves: lynch vocal players trying to do something by the villagers during the day, kill the smart ones during the night.

4) His arrogant playingstyle that sets double standards. See his post #30. First he requires explanations from others, then he himself explains his viewpoints this argumentative and explanatory way:

Originally Posted by Firefoot
While I can see where many of you are coming from with your points about Nogrod, I'm not sure that it merits lynching him.

Oh yes it does!

and:

Originally Posted by Firefoot
I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.

Yes they would.

5) Pure nausea. I wouldn't be that frustrated, if I would be voted out by some whimsical first day reasons like "he writes the word ''wolf' with a 'u' every fifth time" etc. That would be sad, but not frustrating. Trying purposefully to lynch someone who tries to help, is just nasty (and possibly stupid too).

See you later, before the vote ends.

PS. And thanks Feanor for the analysis to come!

PS2. Boro: or is he being the clever wolf poller?...trying to see where the village stands and make his plan with his buds?
I think it's the task of both villagers and wolfs alike to poll the others to get a picture of the situation: even more urgent with the villagers to know, who to trust. So I can't see trying to arouse discussion as an argument to someone's wolfishness...

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod, you do not come across as trying to be helpful, you come across as bloodthirsty.

And when you explain your votes, you come across as VERY bloodthirsty. I would not go around calling anyone "Nasty", especially on such a rocky ground as you stand on.

For rudeness:

--Gil-Galad

++Nogrod

Until and unless I say otherwise, anyway. I'm not sure if you are wulvish ( ;) ), Nogrod, or just use incredibly loaded rhetoric, but I'm afraid you seem more hindrance than help. Honestly, I would prefer to be voted for because someone genuinely felt I was a potential wolf, than because I occasionally forget what language I'm speaking. (Although, considering I only know smatterings of any language besides my native tongue, that's not likely.)

Feanor, I also await a thoughtful analysis with ill-disguised anticipation.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I don't really have much time so excuse my short post. More oft than not on Day 1 theres always someone who seems to be over-eager to lynch people and more oft than not that person gets band-waggoned on day one and more oft than not that person turns out to be innocent and more oft than not people manage to further their theories based on voting time.

At the moment I don't see any reason to withdraw my vote on Fea and I honestly had no real reason for voting for her but I plan to stick to Day 1, I have no idea what to do, excuse. Though there are already a couple of theories around and I do suspect Morm (not Nogrod much) for now I'll leave my vote on Fea since I doubt she'll end up being the one lynched and that suits me just fine.

[JennyHallu]

On second thought, I am not sure of where my vote should go.

Nogrod's playing style grates on my nerves. He is hasty and often illogical, and his vote justifications are often poorly disguised ad hominem attacks on various players. He complains of rhetoric, but his own can be bilious. But his playing style is always like that...I really have nothing on him to show whether or not he is a wolf, but my own irritation with his consistent style.

Gil-Galad's playing style also grates on my nerves. He is near-silent, and contributes nothing but nonsense to the discussion. His votes (when they come) are almost never backed up by anything concrete. But his playing style is always like that...I really have nothing on him to show whether or not he is a wolf, but my own irritation with his consistent style.

Sleepy's admittedly safe vote is odd, but reasonable. There is little to go on at this stage, and Sleepy seems to be honest about it. I see no reason to suspect it.

Fea's play toDay so far has been erratic. She was quick (and alone) in supporting Nogrod's Kill the Quiet campaign, but that may have been sarcasm. I'm poor at reading that. I look forward to seeing a more reasoned post from her later today.

Boro has been reasonable and logical from the beginning, with almost no character based play. I don't know whether to respect or suspect that. Funny how those two words are so similar.

Mormegil is in the same boat. We have so many varsity players in this game, however, that I'm at a loss as far as comparing their behavior today to any experience with them of my own in past lives.

Kuruharan is another veteran: he has, however, said little of note and not yet voted. Is Kuruharan typically a quiet player? Boromir's comment regarding Kuru's "logical input" would imply that he is not. His behavior today could easily be construed as suspicious, but may be simply an unwillingness to hastily throw suspicion where it has not been earned. (Perhaps I should learn from such an example.)

Firefoot has also seemed reasonable and logical, and apologized for the necessity of her early vote for Sleepy. I am inclined to think her innocent, but with so little to go on I am aware that there is no basis for this besides 'hunch', but that's the only basis for any suspicion as well.

No one else seems to be drawing my eye enough to merit special attention at this stage. Those whose input is purely character-driven toDay though will surely be attracting my interest tomorrow.

I will be interested in seeing the input of others as we draw closer to the end of the Day.

I have decided to leave my vote where it is, for now. I am not comfortable with it, Nogrod is probably innocent. But I have nothing better to go on, and wildly revenge-based accusations are not helpful. I am more impressed by quiet and thoughtful analysis, and more by the man who admits he doesn't know than the one who is sure he's found a wolf, first day.

[mormegil]

1) His overhasty, ill-willed vote for me with no grounds whatsoever (disguised as a justified reaction, which it surely was not). Speaks of the evil, not of a constructive fellow-villager.

I follow you not my dear fiend. "Speaks of the evil"??? I believe I do have grounds, as far as Day one goes anyway.

2) Accusing others of being blood-thirsty and acting as much worse himself (not only suggesting something to be considered, but accusing and also voting, by saying, not probably retracting).

No I more accused YOU of being blood-thirsty, though I did not use that term. I found your call and persistent to get rid of the quiet ones a bit disconcerting especially at how early in the game we are. At time I have stepped forward early and outlined that I will be watching the quiet ones and if they don't actively participate I will begin wanting to lynch them but the first day it seems premature and a good tactic at getting us sidetracked and unfocused on the actual task at hand.


3) Playing to the hands of the wolves: lynch vocal players trying to do something by the villagers during the day, kill the smart ones during the night.

Do you not think me a wolf? Yet you vote for me. While I am not a wolf it seems that you believe that claim. If I am a hapless villager playing into the wolves hands why kill me? Seems an odd choice of words.

4) His arrogant playingstyle that sets double standards. See his post #30. First he requires explanations from others, then he himself explains his viewpoints this argumentative and explanatory way:

Don't expect it to change anytime soon either. I jest often, especially the first day and I speak frankly. Perhaps one of my responses to Firefoot was in jest but the others were meant as warnings to avoid silly ideas that wolves will not be bold.

[Kuruharan]

Things don't seem to be moving very quickly here.

I'm afraid that I am not comfortable in casting any votes right now, and I suspect other people may be having this problem.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure I'll be back before the deadline. This places me in something of a quandary. Nogrod is the only player that has given me any particular reason to vote for them. However, I think there is a strong possibility that Nogrod is innocent. I am also uncomfortable that a certain lynch-mob mentality seems to be developing around Nogrod. Should Nogrod be lynched, we will only determine if he is a wolf. If he is, well and good. If he isn't, not so good and we still won't know the quality of the theory regarding quiet players.

There is this growing spat with mormegil to ponder as well. I've heard tell of villages being done in by such squabbling because the rest of the village doesn't want to deal with the issue.

I guess no amount of humming and hawing by me is going to improve this situation so I'll go ahead and cast a vote for...

++ Nogrod

...but if I come back in time I may change it because I'm not comfortable with this.

[Kitanna]

I have very little time to say a number of things so I apoligize if this is rushed and makes no sense.

Ok so it seems Nogrod, Morm, Gil, Fea, and Sleepy have all managed at least one vote.

Ok to hit Nogrod and Morm at once:

1) His overhasty, ill-willed vote for me with no grounds whatsoever (disguised as a justified reaction, which it surely was not). Speaks of the evil, not of a constructive fellow-villager.
Hasty maybe, but I wouldn't say it had no grounds. He voted for you on the same grounds Azaelia did. Your hastiness brought about their hastiness (though Azaelia does have time issue).
Now Morm is a shifty one, but I'd say between Nogrod and Morm, Nogrod is the more susipcious. But I've been toying with the idea that those two are in cahoots. It seems a wreckless move on DAY one for a team of wolves to attack each other like these two appear to be doing, but it is not utside the realm of possibilty. That's just a loose theory and not something to act on today.

Next is Gil for his short and unhelpful posts. While getting him on day one seems like a good idea even if he is innocent we run the risk of killing a gifted innocent. Gil probably won't change his gaming style regardless of his role, so I prefer to hold out a day before casting down a vote for him.

Fea is Fea. I have neutral feelings toward her. Nothing to condemn her or to save her.

Sleepy, he had a vote and it was retracted correct? Or does the vote still stand? In any case he voted randomly and added very little to the discussion. There's not much to be read into it.

So I don't feel like I should put a vote in for any of them. While I find Nogrod suspicious I feel he is just malicious toward quiets and not so much wolfish. If that makes sense.

That leaves Boromir88, Jenny, Diamond, Firefoot, Azaelia, Kuru, Oddwen, and myself to vote for.
None of those choices seem all that great either. I'd hate to pick randomly, even if my vote does not count.

++Kuru
He's a dangerous enemy and I'm actually afraid of him (and Boromir and Morm for that matter). But for the most part this is random.
I hate random voting, but I always feel bad about not voting at all.

[Mithalwen]

You have one hour.

Current votes:

Nogrod: 4 (morm, Azaelia, Jenny,Kuruharan)
Feanor of the Peredhil:1 (sleepy)
Gil-Galad:1 (Firefoot)
Sleepy Ranger:1 (Oddwen)
Mormegil:1 (Nogrod)
Kuruharan:1 (Kitanna)

Feanor has voted but retracted

Boromir, Diamond and Gil-Galad have not yet voted.

errors and omissions by PM please!!!

While you may change your votes it will be irritating to the Moddess if this is done frivolously.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm touched that y'all are so excited to see what I've been up to while not busy with my other-world life.

Zali: Votes for Nogrod. Nothing else draws me specifically to her. She is quiet, though present. Perhaps life keeps her away from her the village. I see no reason to lynch her today, although if she continues in the vein of present but under-the-radar, I'll become more worried.

Boro (Do the Wave!): Suspects Diamond, Jenny, Fea, Morm, Gil, and Nogrod. Appears to exonerate Zali, Diamond, Firefoot, and Kitanna. One of the few to outright state low suspicion. Isn't taking advantage of the retractable vote rule, whether for amusement or for malicious purpose. The defense is not particularly worrisome, nor is the vote rule, though if I must choose, the first makes me think more than the last. It's nice to see a player who votes only to vote. Brings to mind innocence, though it's always possible he's a wolf that is being careful to avoid the appearance of attempted bandwagons. With both defense and suspicion, B could be dropping names like rabid ferrets in order to confuse us if he is a wolf. Should we be required later to go back and study his posts, they are not specific. Still, it's day one and expecting specifics is irrational. I say more time to thee!

Diamond: she's a quiet one. Perhaps merely new and keeping low to figure out what she should be doing. Perhaps taking advantage of the fact that we know she's new and could be doing that legitimately. Every idea cuts both ways, but at the same time... I really just don't know. I'd like to see more participation, though as I keep mentioning, it's day one and there's not much to participate in. Except, it appears, bickering over Nogrod.

Fea: I've been called an erratic poster. It's true. Yesterday shaped up to be busier than I expected between three classes, a meeting, homework, a theatre production, and four hours in the studio. I'll try to post with more substance as the game continues. In any case: I tried very hard to bandwagon Kuru but gave up when everybody ignored me. ;) I asked permission if I could kill Nogrod. He gave no response, which I shall assume means he'd like to live. :D I'm giving my thoughts on everybody right now.

Firefoot: Accuses Boro, votes Gil. Hopes Kitanna isn't a wolf so that she can remain in comparison to one of the Greats. Firefoot is, whether on your side or not, good to have around. Her posts, especially as the game goes on, are full of substance, logical, insightful. If she's a wolf, we'll kill her later, but whether she is or not, her detail-oriented posts are helpful.

Gil-Galad: aloof, goofy, Gil-Galad. Not much to say; if we want to stick with tradition of killing off the quiet and scary ones, we might want to stick with the tradition of killing Gil first. On the other hand... I'm pretty sure he's been innocent just about every time that's happened. In any case, I think he merits close watching, but not necessarily death on day one.

Jenny: Accuses Sleepy and Gil. Defends Nogrod. Votes for Sleepy as a joke and immediately retracts. Votes for Gil-Galad and retracts in favor of Nogrod. I've not played with her. Don't know her style at all. Her breakdown of current thoughts seems more genuine than manipulated. If she's a wolf, she's good at it. She's out in the open, but not grating. She's got quality posts, but not so many that it seems she's pulling the discussion. I'll watch her, but my gadget intuition isn't screaming to kill her fast.

Kitanna: Accuses Firefoot, Fea, Nogrod. Later defends Nogrod. I can't make up my mind whether I trust or distrust her. Basically, in my mind, if I think you're guilty, I don't worry, and if I think you're innocent, I dont' worry. I've got you placed. It's when I'm unsure that I look closer. I'm unsure of Kitanna.

Kuru: Defends Nogrod. Jenny notes that he has said little and hasn't voted. She asks if he's typically quiet. The answer is no. Not unless he's got a reason for it. He's precise. Picks his words carefully, whether guilty or innocent. When he does talk, it's usually at length, but here, he's lying low. Perhaps trying to revamp his reputation? I'm willing to bandwagon him for a very good reason. But I'm probably just biased and resentful about my last experience with him as Wolf-Kuru. :(

Morm: suspects Nogrod, votes for Nogrod, is unusually adamant about us killing Nogrod. If it wasn't such a stupid idea to be so bold on day one, I'd suspect him of Seeing. Since it is a stupid thing, either he's counting on the wolves to believe that he'd never be so bold or he's an unusually stubborn villager or he's a wolf that's being outrageously open about his desire to kill Noggy. It's odd though... Nog hasn't really declared open suspicion of him, though he did vote him. Yet he says it's with the intent to change. Morm's actions don't strike me as knee-jerk reactions, so I really don't know what to make of them. I'm leaning toward a Morm vote for today, since I found Nog's logic (minus the maths mistake) to be practical and I'm not sure why he's so stuck on this.

Nogrod: accuses Fea, Boro, Kitanna, Jenny, Oddy, Kuru. Votes Morm with the intent to change. Comes up with controversial lynch-the-quiet plan. Has faulty maths logic. People want to lynch him. I found his plan to be a decent one, as I said already. Quiet villagers help nobody, not even themselves. They're a liability to have around. Killing them gets rid of a strong level of uncertainty. As he's pointed out, he didn't say to kill them immediately, but only if they develop a habit of being unhelpful. Still, maybe others are seeing something I'm not. I sincerely hope Morm isn't Seeing something I'm not.

Oddwen: votes for Sleepy. Otherwise quiet. I don't like quiet! I don't know what to think about quiet people. Are you innocent? Are you guilty? Just like with Kitanna, I'm not sure and that bugs me.

Sleepy: accuses Morm, votes Fea. Doesn't really suspect Fea that much, but will keep the vote since he's not worried Fea will die because of it. It's an admittedly safe vote after being mostly quiet. Perhaps time-zone differences. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

++Mormegil

I'm too uncertain of Nogrod's guilt for Morm's insistence to sit right. Please forgive me if I'm voting against an innocent or, Mith Forbid, a seer.

[Nogrod]

Well. Looks very nice indeed...

And just the safety measure here to begin with:

-- Mormegil

++ Gil

If I remember it right, the situation is, after this

Nogrod 4
Gil 3

I'll check it in a moment, if no-one else corrects me.

I'll try to answer a couple of really bad ones in a short while. You are both making a mistake, and with poor reasons.

[Diamond18]

First let me apologize for what I am about to do. :rolleyes: Time has gotten away on me this morning and it seems I should be leaving right now, however I don't want to miss the deadline and not cast a vote at all today. So, seeing as I'm in a tight spot, I am regrettably allowing myself to be swept up by the angry mob and am going to vote for:

+ + Nogrod

Tomorrow I will try to do better. But you all seem to do most of your talking during the hours in which I sleep and then prepare for work, and then it takes an hour just to read over it all. Luckily, tomorrow no work, so I'll be able to give it all my proper attention.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Cross-posted. Off to class!

[Nogrod]

Thanks Diamond! You really seem to have considered your vote. :)

[mormegil]

"Fea's a wolf."

I know this isn't in context but fellow villagers don't be afraid to take this at face value. She's a magnificent bluffer if a wolf.

[Nogrod]

Current votes:
Nogrod: 5 (morm, Azaelia, Jenny,Kuruharan, Diamond)
Feanor of the Peredhil:1 (sleepy)
Gil-Galad:2 (Firefoot, Nogrod)
Sleepy Ranger:1 (Oddwen)
Mormegil:1 (Feanor)
Kuruharan:1 (Kitanna)


So heres the current one...

[JennyHallu]

2 things: A) Fea, Boro did NOT suspect me, but classed me with non-suspects. The only reason I was mentioned was because I asked.

Feel free to check this with Boro, but clear analyses are often referred back to through the game, and I don't want either of us misrepresented.

B) Noggy, now that you've changed your vote there is only 1 vote for Morm, Fea's.

[Boromir88]

Well my vote must be coming. I was hoping to hold out until I heard what Fea had to say. Seeing if there would be no reason (or perhaps a reason) for me to vote for her, but looks like it aint happenin'.

Just some comments:
Mormegil is in the same boat. We have so many varsity players in this game, however, that I'm at a loss as far as comparing their behavior today to any experience with them of my own in past lives.~Jenny
Now this isn't a defense of mormegil, but when he spots one person as he finds suspicious, he tends to go after that person and keep after them. Some (like me) like to look at a wider ranger of people and possibilities, morm narrows down to one and goes after them. Nothing out of the ordinary, but this doesn't mean he isn't a wolf.

Boromir's comment regarding Kuru's "logical input" would imply that he is not. His behavior today could easily be construed as suspicious, but may be simply an unwillingness to hastily throw suspicion where it has not been earned.~Jenny
One doesn't post have to post a lot to have valuable input. Kuru isn't usually one to say a whole bunch (compared to me or other players), but what he does say is usually insightful and helpful. That's what I mean with the "logical input." And so far I haven't seen much of it from him, he seems lost and confused. Which of course it being Day 1 I'm thinking he's as lost as I am, and everyone else.

But I've been toying with the idea that those two are in cahoots. It seems a wreckless move on DAY one for a team of wolves to attack each other like these two appear to be doing, but it is not utside the realm of possibilty.~Kitanna
Possible, but I doubt it. Not a move I would put on wolves to do. Perhaps a little later if one of them is under deep suspicion and will likely be lynched, but there's no reason for wolves to act so fiesty and go after eachother if there's no suspicion on them. Morm's attacks looks more like he's going after who he feels looks the most suspicious. Though I don't think Nogrod is a wolf, we don't have much to go on in Day 1 and morm is going after something he finds suspicious.
Ok so it seems Nogrod, Morm, Gil, Fea, and Sleepy have all managed at least one vote.~Kitanna
Fea withdrew her vote for Kuru, I think it was more of her being her normal Fea-self.

I could do the totally random thing and throw out a vote for just anyone, or jump on the Nogrod bandwagon, but I am paralyzed with the fear that whatever I do will cast suspicion.~Diamond
And that's the truth. A little helpful tip, say this last 5 days it's much better for you to be 0 for 5 and vote a lynching for 5 innocents, then voting for the death of a wolf just once...because you vote for a wolf now you are automatically seen as voting for your own companion to make yourself look more innocent. It's rather strange.

When Werewolves first plagued us, they were pretty stupid (no offense to any prior werewolvers), I mean they basically held up a sign saying "lynch me, I'm a werewolf." But now as the game goes on the wolves get more and more intellegent, and they start bringing themselves up to our intellegence, where they are able to blend in much more and look just like any normal villager. And it's up to the innocents to maintain a higher intellegence than the wolves. Hope that makes sense. :rolleyes:

Well I must vote.

Nogrod may or may not be a wolf. I'm going to try to keep things close as it doesn't do much to bandwagon. I don't see anything suspicious in those who have voted for Nogrod, as really he does look the worst of anyone here. But, I can't pull the platform on him...his sharp defense of himself seems more innocent then wolvish. I think wolves typically are more calm if they're being suspected, they can hold themselves together and lie through their sharp, pointy teeth ( :p ). Typically those who defend themselves so fiercely are innocent, and I think that is the case with Nogrod. He may very well be a wolf, I don't know, I could be totally wrong, I'm as lost and dazed as everyone else (except the wolves that is who know what they are doing). But, I'm inclined to believe Nogrod is innocent.

Which means who do I vote for, I left it between Feanor, Gil-galad, and Nogrod. I explained Nogrod. Now Fea or Gil. Well I'm willing to give Gil the benefit of the doubt for now. Which means I'll join Sleepy and vote.

++Feanor

Don't think she'll be lynched, and I was waiting around to see what she had to say, but hasn't happened so far and she always scares me as a player...whether she's innocent or not.

[Boromir88]

Cross-posted with a bunch of people (including Fea) so I'll read through and perhaps reconsider my vote.

[JennyHallu]

Fea did post, Boro, see post 61.

[Nogrod]

I don't know, what you people are after or what is the whole point of this?

Maybe it's the broken English, maybe it's something else. I just can't see myself as a bloodthirsty monster as some here have portraid me to be. And also I'm getting a bit tired to answer all the time to those silly readings you make out of me...

F.ex.

= Jenny
I would not go around calling anyone "Nasty", especially on such a rocky ground as you stand on.


Read the text please...

Trying purposefully to lynch someone who tries to help, is just nasty (and possibly stupid too).

I'm not calling anyone "nasty", all I am saying, that that kind of behaviour would be nasty. And I think it really would be...

= Morm.
but the first day it seems premature and a good tactic at getting us sidetracked and unfocused on the actual task at hand.


So how do you indeed manage the first day task without rising discussion? And I mean discussion, not that going-around-saying-nothing -thing. Which one of these is a sidetrack or unfocused for us villagers?

You seem to ignore the posts of f.ex. Firefoot, Kitanna and Feanor, and just go with this rampant madness, that only brings innocent deaths?

[Nogrod]

Current votes:
Nogrod: 4 (morm, Azaelia, Jenny, Diamond)
Feanor of the Peredhil:2 (sleepy, boromir)
Gil-Galad:2 (Firefoot, Nogrod)
Sleepy Ranger:1 (Oddwen)
Mormegil:1 (Feanor)
Kuruharan:1 (Kitanna)
Jenny:1 (Kuruharan)


So heres the current one... I hope it is up to date now.

Thanks Kuruharan for trust.

EDIT (8.57 GMT): As you see, here is a mistake by me: I answered to this. later on, by quoting - well, it was kind of a frenzy back then... I'll leave it here anyhow, not to make more of a mess about this... This was originally sent just after Kuru's post, and the earlier one was the same table with different numbers of that time.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Feanor
"Fea's a wolf."

I know this isn't in context but fellow villagers don't be afraid to take this at face value. She's a magnificent bluffer if a wolf.~Mormegil
Glad you noticed this too. Yes you did take it out of context, but I remarked on it earlier and probably my main reason for voting for Fea. It's a very weak reason, I'm just going off of Fea as a player, and she's capable of trying anything, and besides Nogrod who I think is maybe innocent maybe not, that is the most striking thing that I spotted today.

[Kuruharan]

-- Nogrod

I'm afraid that in good conscience I can't persist in that vote. I entirely agree with Boromir88 regarding vehement defense as being an indication of innocence (usually). Anyway, at this moment I'm willing to give it a shot.

I'm instead going to vote...

++ JennyHallu

Am I the only one who has noticed that she's been running around here all crazy and stirring things up and generally causing confusion (how many times has she changed her vote)? I think excessive boisteriousness is an indication of werewolfishness because werewolves tend to be a bit excited by their status and they just can't help stirring the pot.

I actually feel a little more confident in this vote than in Nogrod, which means that I am "totally leery" of this vote rather than "absolutely uncertain."

[Nogrod]

Looking back at the history today: safe-voting seems quite a curious affair... it really can take many guises.

Quite a many players on with this still. I hope you make wise decisions, and have grounds for your final votes.

[mormegil]

Nogrod, I may regret this but your last post (#72) seems innocent enough to me. I truly didn't intend to change my vote but here it goes.

--Nogrod

++Feanor

I've never trusted her and she can always confuse me...not that it is particularly difficult but all the same.

[mormegil]

Am I the only one who has noticed that she's been running around here all crazy and stirring things up and generally causing confusion (how many times has she changed her vote)? I think excessive boisteriousness is an indication of werewolfishness because werewolves tend to be a bit excited by their status and they just can't help stirring the pot.

No but I was waiting for tomorrow to tackle that...today as Boro pointed out I was focused on Nogrod...a nasty tendancy of mine which again was pointed out by Boromir.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen
Current votes:
Nogrod: 3 (Azaelia, Jenny, Diamond)
Feanor of the Peredhil:3 (sleepy, boromir, morm)
Gil-Galad:2 (Firefoot, Nogrod)
Sleepy Ranger:1 (Oddwen)
Mormegil:1 (Feanor)
Kuruharan:1 (Kitanna)
Jenny:1 (Kuruharan)

I think you understand my situation right now.

-- Gil

++ Feanor

Changing to:
Nogrod: 3 (Azaelia, Jenny, Diamond)
Feanor of the Peredhil:4 (sleepy, boromir, morm, nogrod)
Gil-Galad:1 (Firefoot)
Sleepy Ranger:1 (Oddwen)
Mormegil:1 (Feanor)
Kuruharan:1 (Kitanna)
Jenny:1 (Kuruharan)

I don't like this, but then again, I don't know Fea. It feels bad to help lynching someone who has trusted you, at least somewhat. But wouldn't like to sacrifice myself either...

[JennyHallu]

Let's see...I voted as a joke for Sleepy, and recanted that in that post. (Really, he shook a Mountain Dew! That's dangerous!)

I don't think that really counts as a vote change. Outside of that the only vote change I have made is to change a vote for Gil-Galad to Nogrod, neither of which I am happy with.

Both Kuruharan and Mormegil who are worried about my "boisterousness" have changed their vote once already. I am afraid I do not understand your sudden suspicion of me.

[JennyHallu]

Pardon me, but I must add Nogrod (2 changes) and Fea (1) to those that have changed their votes. What a silly reason to vote for me! I am afraid this eleventh-hour recantation looks more wolvish than anything we've seen today.

Fea looks not at all wolvish to me, and I do not like the likelihood of her getting lynched today.

[Nogrod]

Both Kuruharan and Mormegil who are worried about my "boisterousness" have changed their vote once already. I am afraid I do not understand your sudden suspicion of me.

This with all friendship of our lives only two games played together: maybe there is something similar in your going around, as in your thinking me bloodthirsty or overtly aggressive? :p

I guess your style is as distinctive as mine...

[Kuruharan]

I am afraid I do not understand your sudden suspicion of me.

It has something to do with the impression you create. If you take a look at the post count you've posted a lot. (In fact, the only person who has posted more than you is Nogrod...hmmmm...oh well) You've given the impression of having just tried to stir things up for the sake of stirring them up.

Admittedly, this is very flimsy ground to base a vote on, but this is just DAY ONE I don't think anybody has strong ground to stand on.

[Mithalwen]

Voting Is Now Closed

[Boromir88]

Admittedly, this is very flimsy ground to base a vote on, but this is just DAY ONE I don't think anybody has strong ground to stand on.~Kuru
Unless someone comes out and says they're a wolf.
Fea looks not at all wolvish to me, and I do not like the likelihood of her getting lynched today.~Jenny
Perhaps playing with Fea you would understand. Now what morm and I spotted is pretty much circumstantial, but you see Fea is that type of player that will just come up and call herself a wolf and be one. And eventhough it may be very weak basis for a vote, other than Nogrod whose defense I think seems pretty innocent to me, that is the thing that stood out to me today, and so I voted for her.

Now if Fea turns out to be innocent, which probability and likelyhood tells us she most likely is then Nogrod will probably be lynched tomorrow anyway as his behaviour at the end looks extremely wolfish is Fea turns out to be innocent.

[Mithalwen]

Voting Confirmation

Feanor of the Peredhil: 4
Nogrod:3
Sleepy: 1
Gil Galad:1
Kuruharan:1
Jenny Hallu:1
Mormegil:1

Non Voter - Gil-Galad.

[Mithalwen]

In Midsomer Mawlin the day had been full of discussion, fanciful theory and changes of mind.

In his house beyond time,DEATH was uncertain until the last minute which hourglass should be placed into Binky's saddle bag and taken down to the small, English village to which he had been such a frequent visitor the year before. The task was made more difficult by the diverse origins of the residents - all this relocation played merry hell with the filing system. He had just found the hourglass of the Nordic but Francophone detective Nogrod and was looking at it in surprise when his assistant Albert brought the news. "INDEED" said Death, HIS TIME HAS NOT YET RUN OUT". This is not now my task...... send Quoth to inform the appropriate body.

Back in Midsomer Mawlin:

"Go, go gadget Gallows" Said someone sarcastically as having decided at last, they dragged Feanor to the village gibbet.

"I know I said I was a wolf - but you know me - it was a joke! I can't be a werewolf I am only a cartoon cyborg. You can't hang me!" She protested.

"Quite right "said someone else "- the duck pond would be a better option - she probably even weighs less than a duck. But if she doesn't the water will stop the mechanics and make her go soggy"

So they threw Feanor in to the pond and used Kitanna's cane to hold her down. They did not notice a small, miserable robot, robed in black and carrying a scythe.
It was Marvin, the DEATH of Borgs who stepped forward and severed the link between line and coulour, between flesh and circuits.

The villagers looked at the surface of the water carefully and released the cane. Nothing seemed to happen. Then suddenly a strange eddy appeared turning into a whirlwind of wet fur.

Oddwen with her cool, clinical mind, alone remained calm and with lethal precision
threw a silver scalpel which pierced the beast's heart. Another transformation and the cartoon Inspector was pinned to the grass.

Dead:

Mithalwen - moderator killed by werewolves on Night 1
Feanor of the Peredhil - werewolf not hanged but drowned, drawn and pinned on Day 1

Living:
AoW,B88,D18,Ff,G-g,JH,Kit,Kuru,Morm, Nog, Oddone,SR

Villagers 10 (inc Seer)
Wolves 2

Seer and surviving wolves PM me by 7.30 tomorrow at the latest. If I receive the decisons earlier, it would be a bonus for me but you are quite entitled to your full time. I apologise for the delay but it wasn't a death I was expecting!!

[Mithalwen]

It had been a long and trying day and though bouyed by their success in lynching one of the werewolves, the villagers returned to their homes knowing the remaining wolves would seek to avenge their lost comrade.

Though they all (all apart from the wolves of course) locked their doors and barred their windows , they feared it might not be enough. Sleep was in short supply, all the normal noise was magnified as if by hangover. Cats stomped across rooves, leaves clanged in the wind and the hooting of owls could have been used to direct shipping in fog. To a person whose reactions were honed to respond to the slightest stimulus it was sheer torture...lesser individuals would have the living daylights scared out of them.

The owner of Moonraker cottage was now certain there was someone, something ... in the house, he took his Walther PPK from his bedside table and crept down to his study.

The desk chair swivelled to reveal a were-wolf with a white toy cat on its lap. In it's paw was a dry vodka martini, shaken not stirred.

"Mr Ranger, we have been expecting you"

The second wolf, which had lurked behind the door relieved him of his gun and pointed it at it's owner's head.

"Do you expect me to talk?"

"No, Mr Ranger, we expect you to die"

His fellow villagers found his corpse the next morning. It was lying on his desk covered with gold paint.


Dead:

Mithalwen - moderator killed by werewolves on Night 1
Feanor of the Peredhil - werewolf not hanged but drowned, drawn and pinned on Day 1
Sleepy Ranger - ordinary Villager, suffocated by gold paint (so tacky) on Night 2

Living:
AoW,B88,D18,Ff,G-g,JH,Kit,Kuru,Morm, Nog, Oddone,
Villagers 9 (inc Seer)
Wolves 2


Day Two has begun

Villagers you have til 7.30 tomorrow unless a clear majority (6 votes) is reached sooner.

Wolves stop PM ing.

[mormegil]

I have a quick minute and prepared this...sorry I can't format right now maybe I will return with time to do that.



Wow this is rather difficult with retractable votes.

Fea voted Kuru and retracted Kuru
Morm voted Nogrod (Nog-1)
Azaelia voted Nogrod (Nog-2)
Sleepy voted Fea (Nog-2, Fea-1)
Firefoot voted Gil (Nog-2, Fea-1, Gil-1)
Oddwen voted Sleepy (Nog-2, Fea-1, Gil-1, Sleepy-1)
Jenny voted sleepy retracted sleepy and voted Gil (Nog-2, Fea-1, Gil-2, Sleepy-1)
Nogrod voted Morm (Nog-2, Fea-1, Gil-2, Sleepy-1, Morm-1)
Jenny retracted Gil and voted Nogrod (Nog-3, Fea-1, Gil-1, Sleepy-1, Morm-1)
Kuru voted Nogrod (Nog-4, Fea-1, Gil-1, Sleepy-1, Morm-1)
Kitanna voted Kuru (Nog-4, Fea-1, Gil-1, Sleepy-1, Morm-1, Kuru-1)
Fea voted Morm (Nog-4, Fea-1, Gil-1, Sleepy-1, Morm-2, Kuru-1)
Nogrod retracted Morm and voted Gil (Nog-4, Fea-1, Gil-2 Sleepy-1, Morm-1, Kuru-1)
Diamond voted Nogrod (Nog-5, Fea-1, Gil-2 Sleepy-1, Morm-1, Kuru-1)
Boromir voted Fea (Nog-5, Fea-2, Gil-2 Sleepy-1, Morm-1, Kuru-1)
Kuru retracted Nog and voted Jenny (Nog-4, Fea-2, Gil-2 Sleepy-1, Morm-1, Kuru-1, Jenny-1)
Morm retracted Nog and voted Fea (Nog-3, Fea-3, Gil-2 Sleepy-1, Morm-1, Kuru-1, Jenny-1)
Nogrod retracted Gil and voted Fea (Nog-3, Fea-4, Gil-1 Sleepy-1, Morm-1, Kuru-1, Jenny-1)

Jenny looks very suspicious for this and other activities. She seemed to want to go with any bandwagon but the Fea train. Also, she mentioned near the end that she didn’t find Fea suspicious at all and became extremely defensive when Kuru and I expressed suspicion of her. I generally don’t like the over defensive posts and this one rubbed me the wrong way.

I would also call into question Sleepy’s vote. He specified that he didn’t think Fea would be lynched. Is it a wolf-on-wolf vote? It could be and Fea would strategize just that way too.

Other votes of interest are Oddwen’s, Kitanna’s and those who voted for Nogrod later and didn’t retract such as Diamond and Jenny again. Azaelia is worthy of mention because of how quickly she jumped on the Nogrod train I formed. Now this last bit is contingent upon Nogrod being innocent, of which I am not fully convinced but strongly leaning in that direction.

[Nogrod]

Je nous tout acclame! Hourra! Quel fait! Et dans la quelle manière il était fait accomplit!

So: WOW! We got a wolf!
And in what a way was it carried!

Surely the most heart-pumping WW –playing I’ve ever experienced! Great sport & fun!

But it was also the most weird one I’ve witnessed...

Just to clear it to myself what happened, and to help others also to wonder the last night’s amazing action, here’s a brief summary of the last moments.


About 6.45 PM GMT, roughly 45 minutes before the closing time, we were at the following situation...

Current votes:
Nogrod: 5 (morm, Azaelia, Jenny,Kuruharan, Diamond)
Feanor of the Peredhil:1 (sleepy)
Gil-Galad:2 (Firefoot, Nogrod)
Sleepy Ranger:1 (Oddwen)
Mormegil:1 (Feanor)
Kuruharan:1 (Kitanna)

Then the “miracles” started to happen.

1) 6.52 Boromir voting for Feanor, on a hunch of some kind, later (after Morm’s comment) telling it to have been based on Fea’s one sentence: “Fea’s a wolf”. Not much to go by, but a safe vote for either a villager or a wolf – would not kill Fea, because the situation seemed clear enough after this anyway:

Nogrod 5
Fea 2

2) 7.10 Kuruharan draws out a vote for me and goes on with a vote to Jenny, believing her a bit more suspicious than me. So it’s now:

Nogrod 4
Fea 2

3) 7.11 (= basically a x-post?) Mormegil changes his vote for me to a one on Feanor, thinking me innocent enough. That way he actually gives the real killing blow to Fea! It was almost sealed right there (someone could still change a vote, but it seemed, that of others, only Jenny was around, and she already had a vote on me...).

Nogrod 3
Feanor 3

4) 7.17 After waiting for a moment for any more surprises, I do the only reasonable thing I can do, and change my vote from Gil to Fea, and it’s there:

Nogrod 3 (Azaelia, Jenny, Diamond)
Feanor 4 (Sleepy, Boromir, Mormegil, Nogrod)

5) 7.30 The end of the day. “Feanor the wolf” killed...

So the wolf is dead + an innocent life saved! In 45 minutes, from just nothing (5-1 situation...)!

Some kind of guidance, or then some really tricksy stuff going on? Or just incredible luck? Believe, what you will...

Even though,
a) It’s great, we got a wolf on the first day: no better start imaginable!
b) I’m really happy to see another day myself!
But still, this is a fishy thing. It’s kind of like in the best detective stories. The result is right, the way it became about is quite unnerving. Now for using those little gray cells, all of us...

[Diamond18]

I’m actually writing this up while it’s still “Night”, so I cannot post it of course, but I thought I ought to get my thoughts together while there isn’t a flurry of posting going on. So, all thoughts and ruminations stem from the events of the first day, the first execution, and no further.

Well, first, it’s all very confusing and I hardly know what to think. So I’m in danger of writing a really sloppy “I don’t know” fest, but it apparently may be lethal to observe quietly, so on to the festival:

The Fea-Wolf, hmmmm.... I didn’t really suspect her but then I didn’t really suspect anyone. Maybe reading over the thread two or three times, with the bonus knowledge of Fea’s wolfishness, will shed some light on what felt like a rather murky day.

Thoughts on people in mostly random order:

Nogrod

I think I may have ticked him off with my go-with-the-flow vote (who knew that voting to kill someone could annoy that person?) so I’m feeling slightly worried about having landed myself in the “quiet and useless” crowd. So now I’m scared of Nogrod. But, does he seem like a wolf to me, more like a villager frustrated with the tide rising against him. Hmmm. Well, if he’s both a wolf and ticked off with me, I might die during this night. Though he did say wolves wouldn’t waste their time with quiet people. Which might mean nothing if he’s a wolf. If I do get et I won’t be posting this post, will I? So maybe if I am alive and posting when I post this, it’ll mean Nogrod’s just a villager. Or not. My life could mean zip. I could be overestimating how much he cared that I voted for him. :) It likely more important to note that he voted for Morm before changing his mind and voting for Fea purely to save himself. Hmmm, maybe he didn’t want to see fellow wolf Fea go, but better her than him in the bitter end?

Jenny

Said:

I'm so upset at Mith's death!

Hmmm. Overly showy emotion for the moderator. Fishy. Or she could just be having fun with the role-play.

Also said:

Fea looks not at all wolvish to me, and I do not like the likelihood of her getting lynched today.

This when the Fea movement had pretty much condemned her. Maybe an ill-timed effort to save a fellow wolf? Or was she earnest and just wrong about Fea? Toss up. Fea is pretty convincing. I especially liked her ambiguous description of me when she knew darn well that I’m innocent. So trusting in Fea’s outward innocence isn’t hard to do, therefore to defend her isn’t necessarily suspicious.

Kuru

His first post made me think he was supposed to be Barney Fife, as it seemed a fairly good Don Knotts impersonation. But that’s neither here nor there, and anyway, I don’t think Dep. Fife was ex-CID. As far as werewolfishness goes, well, Fea did jump on him right away. That’s pretty suspicious, considering her true identity. She retracted it soon after, but the whole cheeky “I heart you Kuruharan” -- hiiiighly suspicious. Though everyone keeps saying she plays the game the same way whether wolf or no, so why am I even bothering trying to figure anything out that way....

Morm

Well, he began the Nogrod-lynch-mob. This could mean something or nothing.

Boro

Started that whole math thing. I think. Maybe it’s a fun WW pastime in all villages. At any rate, I don’t want to be Female Stereotype Barbie but I’m terrible at math and so I’ll just steer clear of opining on that. Boro seems to be satisfied with my innocence right now, which either means my post really did provisionally convince him of that, or he knows something the rest of us (besides me and the wolves) don’t, mainly that I am in fact an ordinary girl. Interestingly enough, it was Boro who started the Fea movement in earnest, even though Sleepy was technically the first to vote for her.

Firefoot

Early on defended Nogrod. This could mean Firefoot, Fea and Nogrod are wolves! Eh, too simple. Seemed to me like she was just commenting on Morm and Azaelea’s quick votes for Nogrod.

Sleepy

Off the bat voted for Fea. Could be werewolf smokescreen. Could be taken at face value. Sleepy is mysterious to me. (Oh wait, everyone is mysterious to me).

POST SLEEPY DEATH EDIT: Ooooh... wolves got him. Hmm. Probably they didn’t like his first vote for Fea, suspected him of being the Seer perhaps?

Firefoot

Said:

Diamond went pretty far into a defense of herself because of the accusation based on her name. I'm not sure it means anything, but I have noticed that newcomer wolves are sometimes overly defensive. I'm not sure this applies here since she sounded fairly even-minded through all of it.

Think of me as vain rather than defensive. He mentioned me so naturally I responded, since people who mention me are always more interesting to me. :p

Actually, I just didn’t feel like accusing anyone or stating suspicions, and that left the option to lay out my defense.

Anyway, Firefoot said not to lynch Nogrod and nominated Gil-Galad for death. She gave a perfectly good reason, though, so I’m hesitant to try reading anything into it.

Oddwen

Quiet, infrequent poster. Cast her first vote for Sleepy and didn’t really say why, just that she didn’t want to vote for Nogrod. Interesting.

Kitanna

Umm... not much to say here. She seemed fly pretty low under the radar... could be an inconsequential factoid or could be werewolfish. Beats me, it does.

Gil-Galad

Erratic, didn’t contribute much. Nothing much to go on.

Azaelea

Was here early and had to leave, voted for Nogrod. Mean much? Can’t say.

And that’s my poorly constructed breakdown of the players. Before I get a chance to post this, one will die. But I’ll post the whole thing anyway, seeing as I had no time for a player play-by-play before the deadline.

[JennyHallu]

Well, I can conclusively discount the possibility of a wolf-on-wolf vote from Sleepy.

I wonder if they were looking for a seer by going for Sleepy? All others who voted for Fea gave somewhat more conclusive reasons.

I was absolutely positive that Fea was innocent. And in my defense, I can only quote Ambrose Bierce:To be positive: To be mistaken at the top of one's voice

My stance on her was mistaken, but honest. I am glad wiser heads prevailed, but I will not apologize for my voting.

Honestly, I did not change my vote from Gil to Nogrod to jump on a bandwaggon. I jumped because Nogrod's tone in his post against you, morm, annoyed me greatly. A petty reason, but the best I had at the time. And when changing my vote once pulled criticism from Kuruharan, (and out of all the vote-changing, why pick mine?) I was reluctant to do so again, in order to jump on a bandwagon for someone I thought innocent.

EDIT: X-posted with Diamond

[Kuruharan]

A) Fea's dead
B) Fea was a wolf

A) alone is enough to cause relief. Combine that with B) and I'm positively euphoric! :D

At the moment, I'm now more inclined to think that JennyHallu is innocent. I think it is probable that there would be only one wild and unpredicatable character among the wolves. At least that is my thought for the moment. (Of course, on the other hand, in post 81 she expressed her opinion that lynching Fea was a mistake. Something to keep in mind, although it would be easy to make too much of this.)

Now, this next bit may seem a bit strange...

...but I've gone back to being a bit suspicious of Nogrod again. Admittedly, everything he did there at the end could be something that an innocent person would do. However, I've heard of wolves doing similar things in the past (i.e. pouncing on each other to save their ownselves). Something about that sequence just rubbed me the wrong way. I still believe Nogrod bears watching.

[Boromir88]

Well based on yesterday I feel pretty confident that these following people are innocent, and if they aren't they deserve to win for doing a nice job in being convincing:

Jenny
Mormegil
Nogrod
Sleepy (who's now dead)

Jenny, because she expressed dissapointment in the decision to lynch Fea. Jenny should be embarrassed for calling us out and showing her dissapointment in the lynching of Fea, but I don't think it would be a wolfish move. Why would a wolf who knows one of their comrades be lynched cry out and get upset at the village in their decision to lynch a wolf? Just doesn't make sense, so Jenny seems innocent.

mormegil because of his vote for Fea. He spotted what I did and acted on it and luckily we made the right decision and we found the right thing as we spotted a wolf.

Nogrod, now it's possible that he is a wolf and so that two wolves aren't lynched he voted for Fea. However, I severely doubt this and think now he is innocent, and I think his innocence I can show a bit later on with who I think our wolves are.

I would also call into question Sleepy’s vote. He specified that he didn’t think Fea would be lynched. Is it a wolf-on-wolf vote? It could be and Fea would strategize just that way too.~mormegil
Umm...mr. detective morm, sleepy is dead. It's obvious wiht his first vote for Fea the wolves thought he was the Seer. I don't think we can find anything else in his posts as he basically just talked about Fea and why he voted for her, and his vote was just random. It's highly likely that they believed he was the Seer and had dreamt of Fea that night.

So who are our wolves. I almost feel bad for them because I don't think Fea expected to be lynched. I didn't expect her to be lynched until the last 10 minutes, and now I'm glad the village was able to make the right decision. But, I think Fea has hurt the wolves more than she helped, because she didn't anticipate being lynched and I think she left us good clues to who her comrades are.

Firefoot: Accuses Boro, votes Gil. Hopes Kitanna isn't a wolf so that she can remain in comparison to one of the Greats. Firefoot is, whether on your side or not, good to have around. Her posts, especially as the game goes on, are full of substance, logical, insightful. If she's a wolf, we'll kill her later, but whether she is or not, her detail-oriented posts are helpful.
She comes out and defends Firefoot. Now, without knowing Fea's identity this doesn't seem to strike too much suspicion, but now knowing she was a wolf, and not anticipating herself to be lynched she very well could have been defending a buddy.

The other one she defended was Kitanna
Kitanna: Accuses Firefoot, Fea, Nogrod. Later defends Nogrod. I can't make up my mind whether I trust or distrust her. Basically, in my mind, if I think you're guilty, I don't worry, and if I think you're innocent, I dont' worry. I've got you placed. It's when I'm unsure that I look closer. I'm unsure of Kitanna.
Or at least she slightly defended him, saying she was unsure about her, and could be another wolf connection.

But the one that I am now almost completely sure one of her accomplices is Kuruharan. I remarked on his behaviour yesterday and disregarded it as being day 1. However, Kuru and Fea seemed to be rather in a joking mood yesterday. Fea comes out and her first post she votes for Kuru, and of course it was more in a joking manner. I didn't make much of it at first, but now knowing Fea is a wolf, and thinking that she wouldn't anticipate being lynched I think she left us with a big hint as to who one of her buddies was. (Of course it was probably unintentional, but it's something I won't pass up on).

Kuruharan you have a lot of answering to do.

[Nogrod]

And a quick comment on Morm.

You seem to be building a case against Jenny. I have tried to do it in my last two games: both of them. At the first time I was wrong, at the later right. She played the same way in both of them - as she plays now. Jenny needs to be seen, but isn't outright a wolf by her style. Well I should know that, being accused because of my style every time... and which style after all is not so far from yours? :)
(I tried reading your posts as written by me, and I was amazed: they were fun and just the way normal... not the random execution orders some people, including me, may have interpreted them)

EDIT: X-posted with a lots of stuff that requires thinking again...

[Mithalwen]

I appreciate this is "in character "but in the spirit of open communication:

Posts: 385 Je nous tout acclame! Hourra! Quel fait! Et dans la quelle manière il était fait accomplit!

Translates roughty as "I congratulate us all! Hooray! What a deed! And what a manner it was accomplished in!"

[JennyHallu]

I stand with Boromir's suspicion of Kuruharan. And not because he voted for me, I can be petty, but not THAT petty.

Because of WHY he voted for me.

++ JennyHallu

Am I the only one who has noticed that she's been running around here all crazy and stirring things up and generally causing confusion (how many times has she changed her vote)? I think excessive boisteriousness is an indication of werewolfishness because werewolves tend to be a bit excited by their status and they just can't help stirring the pot.


I admit I have a bad habit of posting a lot, and I did change my vote once. But so did many other people, especially towards the end of the Day. Admittedly that killed us a wolf, but Kuru expressed suspicion of me for changing my vote to the same person that he was voting for. (The change from Gil to Nogrod was my only vote change, and it was still fairly early in the day)

I am inclined, at this point, to think Noggie innocent. I have re-read his posts, and have no reason not to think him so after comparison to his previous games. His phrasing sometimes irritates me, and it's difficult to keep up with his rapid-fire posting while at work, but he's always loud and brash, as far as I can tell.

[Nogrod]

I appreciate this is "in character "but in the spirit of open communication:
Posts: 385 Je nous tout acclame! Hourra! Quel fait! Et dans la quelle manière il était fait accomplit!
Translates roughty as "I congratulate us all! Hooray! What a deed! And what a manner it was accomplished in!"

Well, I kind of tried to come with a roughly similar version in English in the following sentences:

So: WOW! We got a wolf!
And in what a way was it carried!

But sorry!

I will note it clearer, when I try to "translate" my characters possible french bursts the next time... :

[Mithalwen]

I just wanted to make it explicit since of course it is only obvious that it is a translation if you know French in which case you dont need the translation....

[Nogrod]

Jenny: I just love your characterizations: bilious, brash etc. Everytime I have to check my vocabulary, and then enjoy... You couldn't be more wrong, but that's not my problem - or yours. This is a game...

But claiming me illogical a bit offends me. I would very much like to hear an example - or maybe quite a many indeed, as you seem to be implying that that's my general feature!

EDIT: Thanks Mith!

[Kuruharan]

Kuruharan you have a lot of answering to do.

I fail to see it. In fact, there really isn't a whole lot I could say anyway. How is one supposed to defend oneself from the capricious whims of somebody as unstable as Fea?

To be perfectly blunt, everybody knows she and I have a past. I'd say she did it to try and spite me and see if she could start a bandwagon against me and get back at me for what happened before. When that didn't work, she went on her erratic way.

Congratulations on falling into her trap!

I stand with Boromir's suspicion of Kuruharan. And not because he voted for me, I can be petty, but not THAT petty.

Couldn't prove it by me.

Kuru expressed suspicion of me for changing my vote to the same person that he was voting for.

A reasonable thing to do since I thought you could be trying to piggy-back on me and hide in my shadow.

[Boromir88]

To be perfectly blunt, everybody knows she and I have a past. I'd say she did it to try and spite me and see if she could start a bandwagon against me and get back at me for what happened before. When that didn't work, she went on her erratic way.
And now you two have the same past as being wolves in crime correct? Oh wait, let me get my tape recorder I have to get this confession!

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod: I said illogical yesterDay because I didn't think your argument against Morm made any sense. It seemed mostly a reaction to his vote for you.

And Kuru: I could hardly be piggy-backing on you when I voted for Nogrod before you did, and expressed doubt about that same vote, in much the same wording as you used, several posts before you said anything about voting for Nogrod at all.

[Diamond18]

I'm actually more inclined, at the moment, to think Fea's implication of Kuru was more the effort of a wolf jumping on an innocent. But I'm not sure. I'll have to take a closer at his reasonings for voting Nogrod and JennyHallu....

And Kuru, why didn't you vote for Fea, if A alone is enough to make you happy?

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod, perhaps the reason you come across as brash or rude sometimes is that most of us are putting a great deal of effort into our phrasing, making sure every word means exactly what we do, and cannot be misconstrued. While you, on the other hand, are putting a great deal of effort into speaking in English. When we're all being so careful, you come across as very...(searching for a word) unsubtle in comparison, and more aggressive than I'm sure you intend.

[Boromir88]

I'm actually more inclined, at the moment, to think Fea's implication of Kuru was more the effort of a wolf jumping on an innocent. But I'm not sure. I'll have to take a closer at his reasonings for voting Nogrod and JennyHallu....~Diamond
I'm on a hot streak and I'm just rolling with it. After yesterday I am just feeling so, so hearty and I'm rolling with it. I found "Fea is a wolf" as a move Fea would do and went off that to vote for her, and of course she turned out to be a wolf. Now I think she attached herself to a wolf partner, because one didn't expect being lynched and I basically disregarded her joking and connection with Kuru as Fea being herself, but now knowing Fea is a wolf, I believe she connected herself to another wolf. Unintentionally of course, because she didn't intend getting lynched, but still I'm not going to pass up obviuos signs of wolfishness anymore. I mean I am a simple man and I have a chance to be 2/2 here, I'm pitching a perfect game, and I'm going with it. :D

[Kuruharan]

And now you two have the same past as being wolves in crime correct? Oh wait, let me get my tape recorder I have to get this confession!

I do hope everyone is noticing the decided lack of substance here.

I could hardly be piggy-backing on you when I voted for Nogrod before you did, and expressed doubt about that same vote, in much the same wording as you used, several posts before you said anything about voting for Nogrod at all.

That's true. I apologize, I posted too hastily without going back and looking at the record (that’s what one gets for typing off the cuff). However, my uneasiness regarding your behavior (and you still seem to spend a lot of time criticizing Nogrod's manner when your own is open to considerable question) still remains and is getting worse. I'd said at the start of this DAY that my suspicions of you were on the wane. Now you certainly seem to be piggy-backing Boromir.

And Kuru, why didn't you vote for Fea, if A alone is enough to make you happy?

I didn't see any particular reason to think Fea guilty at the time and I saw a lot of danger to myself if I voted for her and she turned out to be innocent. People would have pounced on me instantly.

[Nogrod]

This is getting interesting indeed! Passionant!

I just can't be here so wholeheartedly as I would wish (in a sense) as I have some RL friday night company to enjoy (and wouldn't change that to this game anyhow, as a great fun this is).

But lots of things happening, and I'll be back with something more substantial in a couple of hours (2-3-4) time.

Before that I have just one question to Boromir. You really are someone, I would really like to see as our friend - and whom I would be really be much afraid as a foe.

Boro: You make really beautiful accusations. You make sense and seem to be very cabable and experienced. Still that last night haunts me. Was it just pure chance, or where there other powers at work? You made the safe vote, anyhow. Within you brilliant analyses you also seem to have a blind spot with me: f.ex.

Your double suspicion (#44 + #51), that was outright foolish:

#44
He says he was just trying to get discussion, which I think is reasonable, but is it innocent trying to be helpful, or is he being the clever wolf poller?...trying to see where the village stands and make his plan with his buds?

Obviously, because it's even more important to the villagers to find out the situation - to whom to trust - the wolves already know the situation...

Or the last post yesterday:

Nogrod will probably be lynched tomorrow anyway as his behaviour at the end looks extremely wolfish

I would really like to hear, why saving one's own life by changing a vote is wolvish? No experienced player would let that kind of thing out of his mouth, as a villager...

So you are kind of saying, that I'm innocent, and then on other posts pointing to my "wolvishness"... A wolf might do that, to be sure (so: keeping the possible troublemaker alive, but bringing some more oil to the fire for the villagers to lynch him - not looking overtly guilty oneself = clear mentionings, that you don't suspect me). It would be wise indeed. But as a villager, I guess you should come forward with some explanations. I really would be relieved, to hear them. I surely would appreciate you as a fellow villager more than as a wolf...

I really do hope you have clear and plain answers, showing either me or yourself misguided, so I can really trust you.

[Firefoot]

I'm working on catching up on all that's been said so far today, and will have something more substantial up here soon, but at the moment these couple of things caught my eye: most of us are putting a great deal of effort into our phrasing, making sure every word means exactly what we do, and cannot be misconstrued. I don't. If you're really innocent and don't have anything to hide, I guess it seems to me that every word shouldn't have to be carefully chosen. *shrugs*

Nogrod, now it's possible that he is a wolf and so that two wolves aren't lynched he voted for Fea. However, I severely doubt this and think now he is innocent, and I think his innocence I can show a bit later on with who I think our wolves are. I don't understand this logic. Not saying anything about Nogrod's innocence or guilt, I think this is quite shaky grounds to clear him on. If he was a wolf, of course he would change his vote to Fea. I realize that you account for this, but you don't give any other reasons that I saw for marking him as innocent. Care to explain, or point me back to someplace that I missed?

Also, I advise against trying to decipher too much out of Fea's posts about who might be innocent or guilty. Fea is insane and will have gone out of her way to confuse us all (she probably would have done that were she innocent as well). There is no way of telling how much of that she was being honest in.

Without much analysis, Boromir is starting to look suspicious to me. More when I post next...

[Diamond18]

most of us are putting a great deal of effort into our phrasing, making sure every word means exactly what we do, and cannot be misconstrued.
I don't. If you're really innocent and don't have anything to hide, I guess it seems to me that every word shouldn't have to be carefully chosen. *shrugs*

Actually, this is a rather good point. There are a few niggling things that are making me suspicious of Jenny right now, and that comment is another one.

[Boromir88]

Boro: You make really beautiful accusations. You make sense and seem to be very cabable and experienced. Still that last night haunts me. Was it just pure chance, or where there other powers at work? You made the safe vote, anyhow. Within you brilliant analyses you also seem to have a blind spot with me: f.ex.~Nogrod
Well thank you for the compliment.

would really like to hear, why saving one's own life by changing a vote is wolvish? No experienced player would let that kind of thing out of his mouth, as a villager...~ibid
I was going underneath the logic that if Fea had been innocent then you would look extremely wolvish. Now of course saving one's own life is expected, whether you're wolf or innocent, but I would certainly raise the red flag so to say if Fea had turned out to be an innocent.

I don't understand this logic. Not saying anything about Nogrod's innocence or guilt, I think this is quite shaky grounds to clear him on. If he was a wolf, of course he would change his vote to Fea. I realize that you account for this, but you don't give any other reasons that I saw for marking him as innocent. Care to explain, or point me back to someplace that I missed?~Firefoot
Well I think simply because he has voted for a wolf it shows promise to his innocence. Plus I believed his innocence yesterday and see no reason as to why he is a wolf. I said it's possible that if he is a wolf it very likely with double lynchings you don't want two bagged in one night...however I'm inclined to believe he's innocent since he did contribute to the death of a wolf.

Without much analysis, Boromir is starting to look suspicious to me. More when I post next...~Firefoot
Oh is that so? I'd love to hear this. Or is it that I have actually bagged two wolves. Fea defended both of her companions, is that it Firefoot? Is that why I look so suspicious, oh my can't wait to hear this.

[Firefoot]

Okay, here's what I've dug up, just looking at Boromir. I'm not ready to say whether he is a wolf or not - I need to look at other people more closely as well first. My investigation of Boromir was purely on a first impression's basis.

The first thing that stood out was in post 29 when he was going through analyzing people he mentioned Fea and Jenny in the same paragraph with a label of light-hearted, sort of innocent sort of guilty seeming. This caught my eye because Fea, obviously, is a wolf, while Jenny has been coming under suspicion. So whether or not this means anything, there it is.

Post 85:Now if Fea turns out to be innocent, which probability and likelyhood tells us she most likely is then Nogrod will probably be lynched tomorrow anyway as his behaviour at the end looks extremely wolfish is Fea turns out to be innocent. Aside: I'm definitely having difficulty figuring out where you've been with Nogrod. This reasoning that Fea probably will be innocent doesn't seem to match with his recent vote for her. This could be (and likely is) just first day unsureness. Maybe.

Also, his vote for Fea caught my eye. It came about 45 minutes before the end of the Day when Nogrod was looking to be lynched. With his vote for Fea, she was still 3 votes behind him, and Boromir said it himself:Don't think she'll be lynched, and I was waiting around to see what she had to say, but hasn't happened so far and she always scares me as a player...whether she's innocent or not. [bolding mine] The possibility is certainly there of a wolf voting for another wolf.I'm on a hot streak and I'm just rolling with it. After yesterday I am just feeling so, so hearty and I'm rolling with it. I found "Fea is a wolf" as a move Fea would do and went off that to vote for her, and of course she turned out to be a wolf. Now I think she attached herself to a wolf partner, because one didn't expect being lynched and I basically disregarded her joking and connection with Kuru as Fea being herself, but now knowing Fea is a wolf, I believe she connected herself to another wolf. Unintentionally of course, because she didn't intend getting lynched, but still I'm not going to pass up obviuos signs of wolfishness anymore. I mean I am a simple man and I have a chance to be 2/2 here, I'm pitching a perfect game, and I'm going with it. Possibly aka: look at me, I voted for a wolf and then she got lynched so I must not be a wolf!

Or is it that I have actually bagged two wolves. Fea defended both of her companions, is that it Firefoot? Is that why I look so suspicious, oh my can't wait to hear this. This recent attempt to turn the tables around also appears mildly suspicious, as well as annoying and condescending, as if he should be held above all blame and scrutiny.

[JennyHallu]

Perhaps, Firefoot, I am careful in my phrasing because everyone keeps saying there are "nagging things" concerning them about me, and you are the first to state clearly what you (mistakenly) felt suspicious, besides "something about her manner", or "she's too boisterous".

Which can mean either
Meaning #1: noisy and lacking in restraint or discipline
Synonyms: rambunctious, robustious, rumbustious, unruly


Meaning #2: full of rough and exuberant animal spirits
Synonym: knockabout


Meaning #3: violently agitated and turbulent
Synonyms: fierce, rough


I don't think so. In fact, I think if one actually does an analysis of me, one would find I have been consistent, polite, and I have attempted to be thoughtful and helpful.

Hmm...who has been "boisterous"?

Boromir88
Agreeing with him that Kuruharan looks suspicious (in the first hour of the Day) is hardly an alliance. And my reasoning was different, and I felt stronger. I may be wrong, I don't like that, but I'm accustomed to that.

Boro, however, is certainly as the day goes on looking more and more suspicious. (Suspicion is not the same as an accusation as any Clue players among you know.) His tone is almost gloating, and he throws accusations on flimsy grounds around quite easily. I agreed with him that Kuruharan seemed worth looking into further, but surely not everyone Fea mentioned is a wolf? And any look into his suspicions that doesn't end in his conclusions is instantly jumped on.

Nogrod
I think you and I are doomed to boisterousness together. I was frustrated with you day 1, but I think I was reading more into what you said than you intended, and I honestly think you are innocent. If you are not, I shall be forced to eat my hat.

Kuruharan
I think I expressed my concerns regarding Kuru earlier. I don't think I need to rehash them now.

Diamond18
Basically, my worries about Diamond are fairly simple. When Boro and I said "We should look at Kuruharan" her response was an instant but substanceless "Yes, we should look at Kuruharan". When Firefoot questioned my phrasing her response was an instant but substanceless "Yes, we should look at Jenny".

I would like to see some more substantive involvement in the discussion today from her.


Other villagers:
Oddwen
Kitanna
Azaelia

Too quiet! Admittedly, Zali has warned us she will be quiet due to time constraints. But I would dearly like to see more from these three.

Gil-Galad
Too quiet, insubstantial, non-voting...like always. I'm inclined to think he's innocent purely from his pattern. Heaven help us if he's a wolf...we're all too used to writing him off as "Oh, Gil's just being Gil again."

Mormegil
Well, honestly, I haven't seen enough from him to say one way or the other what I think of him, and I'm not going to try to analyse him.

Firefoot
Probably innocent. I appreciate the clarity of her arguments.

Have I missed anyone?

Oh, and Happy Saint Patrick's Day!

[Diamond18]

Diamond18
Basically, my worries about Diamond are fairly simple. When Boro and I said "We should look at Kuruharan" her response was an instant but substanceless "Yes, we should look at Kuruharan". When Firefoot questioned my phrasing her response was an instant but substanceless "Yes, we should look at Jenny".

Actually, Jenny, my exact words regarding Kuruharan were:

I'm actually more inclined, at the moment, to think Fea's implication of Kuru was more the effort of a wolf jumping on an innocent. But I'm not sure. I'll have to take a closer at his reasonings for voting Nogrod and JennyHallu....

And Kuru, why didn't you vote for Fea, if A alone is enough to make you happy?

I'm not sure how this translates into "Yes, we should look at Kuruharan." I said I wasn't that suspicious of Kuruharan, but acknowledged that I wasn't 100% sure, and voiced my one spot of suspicion to explain why. I asked Kuru to further elaborate on it. I wasn't jumping on any bandwagon with you or Boro, since as you will see from my earlier post, I was already slightly suspicious of the Fea/Kuru dynamic.

As for me agreeing with what Firefoot pointed out... well, I just thought it was a good point. Why would I have to elaborate more on what she said well?

I would like to see some more substantive involvement in the discussion today from her.

Well, I can't exactly bend over backwards just to be more substantial, whatever exactly that means. But I will say that this post, which incorrectly assesses my position on Kuruharan, only increases my suspicion of you at the moment.

[Boromir88]

This makes me look more suspicious but frankly I don't care anymore.

Firefoot, you're right I was gloating, because it's so humorous that the answer is sitting right in front of your face and you can't see it. Now it's time to stop gloating and get more annoyed as I'm getting quite frustrated.

Everyone's saying I have no basis for my suspicions of Kuru? Maybe I do maybe I don't. Yesterday I didn't let myself get fooled by Fea's typical play..."Let's say Fea's a wolf." I noticed that, myself and mormegil commented that Fea is the type of player that will say that if she was a wolf, so I voted for her. I wasn't going to be pulled in by her and cast it off as being "way too obvious for Fea to be a wolf," because that's exactly what she wants you to think. And I'm glad I didn't.

Now I'm getting annoyed because yet again the answer is right there in front of your face, but you're too busy casting suspicion on moi. Fea plain out said "I love you Kuru." Now that Fea is a wolf this is the most obvious sign that Kuru is also one. Yet everyone's saying it's way too obvious and Fea's unpredictable we can't take it serious. That's what she wants you to think! That's what the wolves want you to think! She came flat out and said she loved Kuru, and the only person a wolf would love is another wolf. Now you're saying it's way too obvious? I wasn't fooled yesterday by Fea's play, I'm not going to be fooled by it today. The answer is right there, and she wants you to believe it's way too obvious to be a wolf, that's what Fea does. You're too busy looking at all these complicated wolf on wolf votes, the answer is right there and you disregard it as "obvious."
Boro...
which either means my post really did provisionally convince him of that, or he knows something the rest of us (besides me and the wolves) don’t, mainly that I am in fact an ordinary girl. Interestingly enough, it was Boro who started the Fea movement in earnest, even though Sleepy was technically the first to vote for her.~Diamond
You may want to hear that I have some special insight, I'm sorry I don't. I have no more knowledge than any other innocent. Though I do know how Fea is, and she wants you to think she's too obvious, she wants you to think she wouldn't possibly come out and say she loves another wolf. Just like she wants you to think she isn't a wolf when she tells you she is.

Ok so here's the possibilities I see...

We lynch Kuru, he's a wolf, there's much rejoicing

We lynch Kuru, he's innocent, I'm wrong, I look totally foolish and you shall all smite and lynch me as rightfully so for being some misguided and stupid.

You lynch me, my innocence is revealed, Kuru escapes and turns out to be a wolf then everyone in the village feels stupid for not listening to me.

So wouldn't you rather make me look stupid and get me lynched then make yourselves look stupid and lose? The answers right there, I'm sticking my neck out, I'm putting my life on the line to be Kuru is a wolf. I hope you all see it to. Now it's time for me to be off, I'll be back of course.

[Gil-Galad]

alas i must go quiet for a couple longer, but i shall vote....



++Kuruhuran

[Kitanna]

Finally I have a chance to sit down and write something. I've been catching up on all that has been said today and three people have jumped out at me. Jenny, Boromir, and Kuru.

Jenny seems to be pretty petty (and she said so herself in her first post today). She voted for Gil and then retracted it and changed it to Nogrod because "Nogrod's tone in his post against you, morm, annoyed me greatly." That sort of jumped out at me. Is she trying to defend Morm? Trying to hop on an innocent's back? Hard to say. I'm trying to find the post where Jenny defends Fea and believes her to be innocent (ack so blind!) depending on when the post was made it can say a lot.

Boromir and Kuru seem to have engaged themselves in a battle early on today. As well as Jenny following Boromir's lead and accusing Kuru. Given Fea's history in these games and her early "joke" vote for Kuru Boromir's first post makes a good point. But there's plenty of room for doubt.

Fea's vote for Kuru could have been a planned joke between the wolves. And Fea probably didn't see herself getting lynched on DAY one. So she took a stab at fellow wolf Kuru. But Fea could simply have picked out Kuru because of their playing history. It is possible Fea was doing her usual Fea thing and if she was lynched then people would look long and hard at Kuru and fingers would point to him even though he's innocent.

I am more inclined to see Kuru as a wolf, but there's enough doubt for me to hold out on voting for him. The day is still relatively young and I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet.

Now there's Boromir. He seems awfully sure of himself. It's quite unnerving, but if he's right and Kuru is a wolf then we owe him a great deal of thanks. If he's wrong he's damned himself. But bear in mind even if he's wrong there's still a chance he was a misguided innocent.

So I think if Kuru is a wolf, Boromir is most likely innocent. If Kuru is innocent then there's a good chance Boromir is a wolf. Jenny could be working with either one. I feel she is a mystery and she could easily go either way.

[Diamond18]

I'm trying to find the post where Jenny defends Fea and believes her to be innocent (ack so blind!) depending on when the post was made it can say a lot.

Top of page 3. #81 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=454017&postcount=81)

[Nogrod]

There as such dimensions now here! Needs to be looked at with time! Great play! Just fascinating, whoever is whoever...

But Gil's last message! #116
Now C'mon people! Is this worthy of the game we are playing? I kind of tried to haste us for lynching Gil-kind of people the first day and I admit, I might have rushed (although the tactics to really bite, you really should announce it from the beginning... I don't want to rise that issue anymore, because we are at day two, and things are different now), but this is just nasty - Jenny: now I use the word nasty for a player, not only for the action...

And before anyone makes the quasi-accusation: of course I'm happier with a dead wolf than with a dead Gil, but anyhow. This just makes me angry (normally I'm not, I'm very bad in getting angry).

Could Mith do something about this? Just considering the quality of the arguments and the intensity of the game, I just feel Gil's performance quite outrageous! And no matter to whom Gil's vote fell upon - it clearly was the last to have been suspected on the thread! So not reading the posts, not following the arguments, just popping in and then voting for the last one that has been accused! I kind of felt sad about Diamond's vote yesterday (check the grounds for it + the posting), but as Diamond has been writing very sensibly today, I bear no ill will towards her / him (oh my god, I don't know :) )

EDIT: Read some earlier mails and the thing is settled: so she is a Barbie-Diamond... :D

But Gil is just playing very badly indeed...

[Diamond18]

I'm a "her". ;) It often surprises me how many people express confusion over that fact. :rolleyes:

[Kitanna]

Thank you, Diamond, for providing me with Jenny's Fea defense. She made the post minutes before voting closed. I find it hard to believe Jenny really thought Fea wasn't going to get the noose and it's just too sloppy of a move for a wolf to make. If Jenny knew when day was going to end I don't think she would have made such a statement unless she really thought Fea was innocent. Now it's possibly Jenny let time get away from her and she forgot when day was going to end and she was jumping to defend her fellow wolf. I still find her suspicious, but slightly less so.

Of those I've mentioned thus far I'd say Kuru is the more wolfish than Boromir and Jenny. And Jenny is more wolfish than Boromir.

[mormegil]

I haven't quite caught up all the way but I wanted to say a couple of quick things and then catch up.

Boromir, I'm not sure I'm convinced at all of Kuru's guilt. If anybody here knows how Wofl Fea operates it would be me. Now before everybody goes and jumping up and down like a chimp pointing their finger at me in accusation think hard about this. Our ancestors, who actually lived in this village during the first wolf attack, were wolves. It seems that my blood line has been purged of the taint but Fea's has embraced it. I would think would be more likely to slightly accuse those with whom she serves. You seem to be going to quickly into this conclusion and only basing it on one thing. Admitedly we did that on day one to our profit but this is day 2 and we have a bit more evidence. I could be wrong but I'm not ready to swing my axe at Kuru.

Wolves you missed a very subtle clue left by your comrade. I will even go so far as to point it out.

++Mormegil

I'm too uncertain of Nogrod's guilt for Morm's insistence to sit right. Please forgive me if I'm voting against an innocent or, Mith Forbid, a seer.

Now you mangy nincompoops make of it what you will. I will leave this enigma for them to make out. Do they kill me thinking I'm the seer or am I an ordo offering myself to the slaughter to give one more night to the seer?

ENJOY!

Mormegil
Well, honestly, I haven't seen enough from him to say one way or the other what I think of him, and I'm not going to try to analyse him.

Are you serious? Jenny everything you are saying and doing makes me suspect you more and more. Your defensiveness yesterday, your 'carefully wording everything' today, this comment. I may be casting my vote in your direction. Those whom I suspect most from yesterday, according to what Fea said in her outline, are:

Azaelia
Oddwen
Kitanna

then

Diamond
Boro
Firefoot
Jenny
Nogrod

lastly

Morm
Kuru
Gil

The grouping are in order but the ranking within the grouping is not.

Boro, I realize Sleepy is dead but I wrote that at night and when I posted I didn't have time to edit. I was already running late for a meeting so I threw it on and ran.

[Kuruharan]

I hate to keep dragging this up, but since Boromir seems insistent on making an issue out of this, especially since it seems to be his only real issue with me…

Fea plain out said "I love you Kuru." Now that Fea is a wolf this is the most obvious sign that Kuru is also one. Yet everyone's saying it's way too obvious and Fea's unpredictable we can't take it serious. That's what she wants you to think! That's what the wolves want you to think! She came flat out and said she loved Kuru, and the only person a wolf would love is another wolf.

This really makes no logical sense whatsoever. First of all, how could one take “I love you Kuruharan” seriously at the same moment that she’s trying to start a bandwagon to lynch me? That makes no sense. I guess it’s like those people who “love” their significant other so much that they kill them to prevent them from ever being with somebody else…or something. I’m afraid I just really don’t follow Boromir’s thinking here.

Second, everybody knows that Fea and I don’t get on that well. This stems from certain circumstances of which some of you are undoubtedly aware. This provides her with more than ample motivation for her to try and cause trouble for me from the outset (especially considering this is the first time she and I had been in similar, or indeed reverse, circumstances). It seems like this was her little way of getting back at me. What would be more natural for her to do? This explanation makes more sense than some deranged impulse to “vote for me as her fellow wolf.”

I mean, what exactly is the upside to this little plan that is attributed to Fea? Could somebody explain to me why she’d want to do that? Admittedly, she’s more than a little bit strange, but she normally has some degree of purpose to her actions, even if it is just to cause trouble.

Now, believe it or not, I’m personally not convinced that Boromir is a wolf. I think there is a distinct possibility that he is innocent and has blown one circumstance all out of proportion and has built a case out of it. I’ve heard that this sort of thing can happen where the innocents are all so convinced that they are all guilty that they slaughter each other and the wolves slip by to victory by default. I don’t want that to happen this time, but I’m afraid that is exactly what is happening here.

This leads me to want to focus more on some of the quieter players (admittedly this is sort of following Nogrod’s lead, so I’m stating that up front before anybody tries to make an issue out of it. I’m also not advocating ignoring more noticeable players. However, I think I might be justified in thinking that certain people might be getting overlooked).

Azaelia
Oddwen
Kitanna
Gil-Galad

Gil-Galad is as always the most awkward, so I’m going to deal with him first. There is never any telling about him, and I’m almost philosophically opposed to the idea of jumping on the Gil bandwagon “just because.” However, it is always possible that he is a wolf. He did not vote yesterday and he casts a very early vote for me based on rather suspect suspicion (of course, I would say that). However, he could be a wolf trying to jump on a bandwagon that somebody else (who could very well be innocent) started and then be completely covered in the rather unfortunate aftermath. It is possible.

There, I got that out of the way.

Azaelia seems to be constrained by time considerations. At least that is her stated reason. She was one of the early people to vote for Nogrod yesterday. Could be a wolf heading for the tall grass through finding a convenient cover vote.

Oddwen hasn’t really contributed a whole lot. As a matter of fact, in post 39 she literally said as much. She voted for Sleepy Ranger because she didn’t want to vote for Nogrod.

Kitanna is probably the least quiet of the quiet folk. I don’t really have anything against her except that she seems to think me a wolf, which is not necessarily evidence. Her posts have usually at least been cognitive in nature, which is more than I can say about some people.

Since the cases against these people are admittedly about as feeble as they come, I’ll stop and see if anybody has any comment they want to make about them.

[Nogrod]

Here’s a shortcut to the most heated discussion: and please people, inform me if I have interpreted yourselves wrongly. This is just how I saw that one piece of argument. I’ll send it like this and come at least for one mail to have some ideas about it, before I go to sleep.

Kuruharan #93: defends Jenny’s innocence, and comes to suspect me again – although admitting that my doings would be an doings of an innocent (= no reason given for this suspicion!). Interesting twist, as she withdraw his vote from me to vote Jenny at the last moment, making it possible to kill a wolf....

Boromir #94: Attacks mildly Firefoot, full swing against Kuru (on the basis of them joking).

Jenny #97: Points to Kuru’s weak evidence against her.

Kuru #101: Denies being answerable to the whims by Fea. Minimally shoves off Jenny’s arguments: suspecting her of piggy-backing.

Jenny #103: Noting Kuru, that she had a bad argument as she had been the first of them to vote for me... so no pig-backing.

Boromir #106: Very assured. He got Feanor, he has Kuru also, because of the wolves having a amiable chat with each other. (Was he the one to come up with this “Fea’s the wolf” –thing?)

Kuru #107: Shields a brag from Boromir, apologizes for his mistake with Jenny, defends not voting for Fea.

Firefoot #109: Denies Boro’s reasoning about my guiltlesness with some good grounds – Boro came up with nothing to back it – but also odd grounds: I would have changed my vote at that last instant in any case: not only, if I’d be a wolf, but more so, as I am a villager (otherwise I should have had very firm grounds to believe, Fea was the seer – otherwise I wouldn’t have sacrificed myself – and my sacrifice would have taken a self-vote!). Denies anything that Fea said, could be of any interest.

Boro #111: Incredible argument about my different guilt by changing votes at the last instance, whethwer Fea was innocent or not. No logic at all! Then even more dubious argument: he thinks I’m “clean” because I contributed to the lynching of a wolf! I was just saving myself – I even apologized Fea publicly about it! Accuses Firefoot.

Firefoot #112: Checking Boro – post 27 Boro brings together Fea and Jenny as “lighthearted”. Almost accusing Boro of safe-voting a fellow wolf and then actually bragging about his cleanliness by that.

Jenny #113: Voices her growing suspicion about Boro. Clears Firefoot.

Boromir #115: Makes a very strong attack on Kuru, by his assuredness – and being right already before. Proclaims himself annoyed, because no-one believes him.

WOW. About all of these people seem to be talking illogically or arguing very badly! We can't have this many wolves!!! :rolleyes:

[Kuruharan]

defends Jenny’s innocence, and comes to suspect me again – although admitting that my doings would be an doings of an innocent (= no reason given for this suspicion!).

I apologize for that. I thought my meaning was clear, but I see that I did leave that sort of hanging in the air.

My theory, if you are a wolf, is that you turned on your fellow wolf Fea when you had a chance to save yourself by doing so. This way you would build up credibility for yourself that you were innocent by voting for a wolf and save your own bacon at the same time.

Now, obviously, nobody can fault you for this per se. The issue is if you are a wolf.

I'm uncertain about you at the moment, although I still think your spirited defense yesterday speaks in your favor.

I thought it only fair to explain myself further (although you might wish I hadn't ;) )

[Boromir88]

Boromir, I'm not sure I'm convinced at all of Kuru's guilt.~mormegil
Would you be convinced if I said I'm 2 for 2?

Yes you heard it, 2 for 2. I dreamt of Feanor on the first night quickly finding out her wolvish ways. I wanted to lay low being the only gifted in the village, but still if the wolves were able to catch on to me I wanted to leave something for the village to notice that I dreamt of Feanor. I am grateful that Sleepy (whether intentionally or not) voted for Feanor as it gave me good cover during the night where I was able to spot our second wolf...and of course it's Kuruharan if you haven't figured out. As I said I found her fun and games with Kuru quite suspicious and that was the wolves downfall.

I was hoping not to have to reveal myself tonight, but I definitely would want to see Kuruharan lynched, even if I have to reveal myself and die at night. I don't know if this will turn out to be the right move or not. I feel confident leaving the hands now up to the rest of you innocent villagers to find the last wolf. Hopefully I've performed my job well and it's been a pleasure while I've been here.

I don't know of anyone's innocence for sure, as I've only dreamt of the wolves :D . I feel pretty confident that mormegil and nogrod are innocent. I'm unsure on Jenny though will put her as a likely innocent. Again, nothing is for sure however.

I am highly suspicious of Firefoot, though I don't know if Feanor would be that bold and protect two of her companions. However, I will say Firefoot is my top suspect right now.

As far as the others I'd watch out for Oddwen, Azaelia, and the other ones who haven't been around. This will be one of my last times on tonight, again fellow villagers it's been a pleasure. I am now trusting you to find the last wolf. Audios.

Edit: My antics and craziness today of going full out Kuru and rather being a bit...umm arrogant, was to gage and get anything to see who the last wolf was. Right now I think it may be Firefoot, but again I encourage you all to take time, be careful and make the right decision.

[Nogrod]

Well, this is quite a news!

And most incredible news indeed... having dreams of two wolves in continuation! (Or whatever it is in English to say that one thing comes just right after the other...). Kind of a miracle that one too (remember last night...)

Kind of can't believe, and then I can. (Your recklesness as a seer even tops mine at my first game... :D )

I was on my way of making analysis of you all heated discussers of today, as I ran into this. Have to think now. It's almost 4AM here, and need some sleep first...

This is getting even more than interesting!

[Nogrod]

But concerning Kuru: here's my part on Kuru, that I had time to make before seeing your mail:

Preliminary thoughts = all is underway = this is so twisted.

Kuru: seems to be "slipping" too much to be the famous player... and very carefully tongued to admit the numerous errors. I don't especially suspect you, but there is something odd here. Your involvement in last nights peculiar happenings was very indirect, so can't pick on you there (well you just made it possible for me to get off the hook by Morm! So thanks anyhow!).

(And thanks about the clarification in #125, and I don't mind: everyone's allowed their theories. But sincerely, I think there is now a grave misunderstanding for my part, or by you others (you and Boro). It was 3-3. It would most likely have been a double lynch by Mith. What do I do? Let us both die, or save myself? Whoever I would be, there is only one way to go, unless having a strong faith in Fea's seership...)

[mormegil]

++Kuruharan

I believe Boromir and now that he has declared it I can see the excitment in his posts. Well done dear seer though I had hoped I provided sufficient camouflage for you not to die tonight. Alas, it is too late for you to dream again. :( Now there will be significantly less talk today too.

[Diamond18]

Boro has come right out and said he's the Seer.

This could mean:

A: He's the Seer and is throwing himself, quite literally, to the wolves.

B: He's a wolf and this is a bold ploy.

C: He's an ordinary villager who is so sure of his hunch that he's willing to throw himself to the wolves by falsly claiming to be the Seer.

If he's A, then I guess I should be voting for Kuru forthwith.

If he's B, I should be voting for him.

If he's C, I may stick with my suspicions of Jenny.

Gosh. This is exciting.

[Boromir88]

A: He's the Seer and is throwing himself, quite literally, to the wolves.
It's A. I'll be with holding my vote to make sure no one messes with it at the end.

I had hoped I provided sufficient camouflage for you not to die tonight.
Sorry if I botched things, I just wanted to make sure we got Kuru lynched today. But I do feel fairly confident that you fellas can take care of the last wolf. Though I won't forgive myself if it doesn't happen...well maybe I will :smokin:

[Kitanna]

I'm inclined to believe Boromir is the seer, just judging by his posts against Kuru.
A: He's the Seer and is throwing himself, quite literally, to the wolves.

B: He's a wolf and this is a bold ploy.

C: He's an ordinary villager who is so sure of his hunch that he's willing to throw himself to the wolves by falsly claiming to be the Seer.
If he's not the seer, there's only one way we can find out for sure.

I trust Boromir, if he were a wolf I don't think he'd be so bold.

++Kuru

[mormegil]

It would be completely asinine for a wolf Boromir to proclaim himself at this point. As it stands he's only a bit hasty.

[Diamond18]

I'm going to go with option A

Why? Well, if Boro is a wolf he won't die tonight, and we can kill him tomorrow with that knowledge. If Boro is an ordinary villager, I don't really think he'd pretend to be the Seer. It could get us all killed and no villager wants that.

+ + Kuruharan

If Kuru is a wolf and dies, and Boro dies in the night, we'll know what happened.

If Kuru is innocent and Boro does not die in the night, we'll know what happened.

If Kuru is a wolf, and Boro doesn't die in the night, then the last wolf is just insane -- either an insane Boro thinking he can get away with killing his fellow wolf, or an insane wolf thinking s/he can get away with making Boro look wolfish and letting the villagers lynch him after Kuru.

Worst case scenario:

If Kuru is innocent and Boro dies in the night, it means he was a bluffing villager who was mistaken. I'll trust that Boro wouldn't put us in that position.

[Nogrod]

It would be completely asinine for a wolf Boromir to proclaim himself at this point. As it stands he's only a bit hasty.

It's just his hastiness, that makes me wonder.

In principle I'm inclined to trust him - all the marks would show this to be true - and a real wonder at the same time (two wolves, two nights)!

As I'm not so experienced as most of you are, I hope you allow me some sleep first (= thinking about different possibilities and not getting any sleep at all!).

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Ok. I am finally back. Sorry, sorry, sorry about the lack of participation until now.

Azaelia is worthy of mention because of how quickly she jumped on the Nogrod train I formed. Now this last bit is contingent upon Nogrod being innocent, of which I am not fully convinced but strongly leaning in that direction.

I would have voted for Norgod the first day whether or not you had voted for him previously. I was pressed for time, and he was so vocal against us quieter folk so early on in the game, and it just didn't sit right with me, as I said before. That's not to say I think he's guilty now, or that I think he's innocent. I think he's someone we have to watch out for just based on that overeager first-day behavior. But I'll stop beating that particular dead horse (please excuse the expression), because I think that there are some others that we need to watch out for.

Namely, Kuru. I don't have any evidence to support this claim, but if Boro's our seer, then yes, Kuru must be a wolf.

Boromir
This makes me look more suspicious but frankly I don't care anymore.
That alone was enough to convince me of Boro's innocence. Usually wolves don't make moves that would draw suspicion, especially in the first couple days. They just lost one yesterday, and I doubt that they're going to be right out in the open at all so soon.
I am also inclined to trust his claim to be a seer, mainly because no one else has come out and said, "He's a liar, I'm the seer!". Again, so soon after the loss of one of their own, I think the wolves are going to want to keep quiet for a bit and try to pick off as many of us as they can without making any risky moves. Also, his previous posts were full of pretty much un-supported claims that he has a feeling, citations of little nitpicky things that most people wouldn't consider evidence, etc. I consider him a seer with a target, and I am very inclined to go with his instinct.
There'd be no point in a villager claiming to be a seer, because again, the real seer would come out and say it. (at least, I think they would).

So what happens today? We lynch Kuru. He's a wolf. We're happy for a night, until the untimely demise of our seer a few hours later.

Or, we lynch Kuru. He's not a wolf. We think, "oh gee. We're dumb." and lynch Boro on the morrow.

Or we don't do either of these things, in which case, there's no clear path to follow.

I think I'll just say now that I am inclined to trust our seer, having no evidence to the contrary. So unless something changes, my vote tomorrow will go to Kuru.

The real seer, if you're not Boro, should probably speak up.

Kuru, you've got some fast talking to do.

But now, I am very tired (my dad surprised us with a ski outing today, so I am ready to sleep). Never fear, though. I expect to get in some quality time here in the morning. Expect a more detailed analysis of our situation/the other players then, as I can't think particularly straight now. 'Till then, all.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

You know what, actually, I don't think there's much more thinking about toDay's vote for me.

I trust Boro, and will miss his input, as I think he'll be the one we find dead tomorrow (it would, I agree with Morm, be a dumb move for a wolf to say he's the seer now).

So. My vote is solid, set in stone (so far, I'm not liking all the retracting that happened yesterday, it confuses me, so I'm not doing that). I've committed myself to our Seer's cause.

++Kuru

Here's hoping that Boro is who he says he is, and that the second wolf is going down at the end of today.

I will still be back on in the morning, to post a full summary as I promised in my last post, since I don't like how little I've been contributing.

[JennyHallu]

Well we'll get this out of the way...

++Kuruharan

Two wolves on the first two days!

Yay! And I feel very good to have been vindicated in my feelings about Kuru.

Now comes the hard part. Boromir, excellent, excellent seering.

[mormegil]

Boromir,

May I ask why you are suspicious of Firefoot? I would like to hear what you have to say before you are mauled. Alas, I wish we had a ranger but we have him not.

[mormegil]

Sorry for the double post

Gil,

I would like to add my name to the list with Nogrod of frustration over your lack of interest and concern. I don't think you are guilty though I could be wrong so I'm not for lynching you in such a small village, but if we have more of a buffer I would be all for it. I really don't understand it...care to explain.

[Diamond18]

Morm, I don't think you're going to get a response from Gil, he said over on the admin thread that he's going to be gone till Sunday evening.

[JennyHallu]

Yeah, and he doesn't usually stick around anyhow. And while I absolutely agree with you and Nogrod on his "tactics" his vote for Kuruharan as a random vote after Kuru'd gathered suspicion and before Boro revealed makes me think of him as 99.5% likely to be innocent. I suggest we play as though he isn't there unless he proves otherwise (which means real and substantial contributions)

[mormegil]

Morm, I don't think you're going to get a response from Gil, he said over on the admin thread that he's going to be gone till Sunday evening.

I know but I can still pose the question and have a modicum of hope that he may actually read through the posts.

[JennyHallu]

I'm going to take this extra time we've gained to take a look over the village and see if combining the clues both Kuru and Fea have left give us a better idea of who to look at for our last wolf.

Fea:

#10

Random vote on Kuruharan. Says she loves him.

#13

Says retractable votes are a "form of recreation like mormy's drugs"

#16

Retracts Kuruharan vote. Agrees with Nogrod and advises we "mercilessly slaughter the quiet ones". Asks if she can kill Nogrod.

This post includes the infamous "Fea's a wolf" line.

#21

"Corrects" Nogrod's math. Here I think she's making fun of us. Nogrod gave a 1:4 chance, Fea suggested the correct ratio would be .5:2. Anyone other than me notice this seems odd? A good argument for Noggie's innocence?

#35

Is disappointed no one came back about the maths. No wonder. Now that I've noticed this I understand your suspicion of her better, Morm. First post that seemed substantive. Suggests lynching Nogrod, whether or not he's innocent. Pleads sleepiness and leaves (we suppose.

#49

Apologises for absense, promises analysis of entire village.

#61

Promised Analysis:
Zali: Innocent for now, but quiet. Suggests waiting.
Boro: suggests possible wolvishness, but again suggests waiting
Diamond: Mentions she's laying low, wonders if that's just because she's new. Suggests more participation.
Fea: Admits erratic posting. Claims busy schedule.
Firefoot: Says she accused Boro but voted Gil. Suggests leaving her around due to general helpfulness.
Gil: Mentions tradition of killing him off, and Gil's track record as an innocent
Jenny: Says she's unfamiliar with my style, but that if I'm a wolf I'd be a good one. Said I had quality posts. I'm not a wolf, in case anyone is wondering, and Fea was evil and fuzzy...but I feel kind of flattered nonetheless. Is that ok?
Kitanna: Claims she hasn't got Kitanna classed one way or another. Ok, the only way that could be true is if she wondered if Kitanna were the seer. So either she's trying to bluff us entirely, or she thought Kitanna is our seer. Any ideas? This one seems odd to me, especially after Fea's wolvishness was revealed.
Kuru: Suggests there are good reasons to bandwaggon Kuru. Well, no kidding. And once again she's making fun of us.
Morm: Wonders if he's a seer or just being abnormally aggressive.
Nogrod: Hopes Morm isn't Seeing anything she's not about Nogrod. Hoping the Seer doesn't look at Nogrod? Odd, from wolf-Fea. Reiterates that lynching the quiet is a good idea. (Could Nogrod be a wolf?)
Sleepy: Decides he's probably innocent.

Votes Mormegil.

#64

Cross-post notice.


That's all.

Just for public record, since it's still St. Patrick's Day here...let me just say that alcohol makes sensible analysis difficult. I'm going to post this and then start on Kuru. If someone else could look at who voted for Fea when, there may be more evidence there. Much to think on and the alcohol isn't helping. Maybe if I drink more I won't notice the problem.

[JennyHallu]

Ok...here goes...I just noticed I left a paren open in the above post. Not going to go back and fix it, just do it mentally as you read.

Kuruharan:

#9:

Seems mostly silly. Makes a bad pun then suggests we go after jaywalkers.

#33:

Surely I missed one? Nope...Suggests Nogrod's quiet plan is good, but moot since everyone seems to have posted.

#52:

Says only there are a nice selection of posts and that all that Fea says is scary.

#58:

Casts a vote for Nogrod, but decides that Nogrod is likely innocent, and is uncomfortable with the vote. May I point out that at this point Nogrod had a definite bandwaggon going for (or against?) him? Safe vote, I'm thinking.

#75:

Changes vote for Jenny (Hi!). Says she (me!) has been running around crazy and stirring things up and causing confusion and changing her vote around a lot. Accused her of boisterousness. I don't think it was earned. I'll leave that up to others. The question is, WHY did he change his vote? That's what bugged me from the beginning.

#83:

Justified his vote for me based on post count and general impression of me as a rabble-rouser. (That's not his word, but it's a good one and I think conveys the general idea.)

#93:

Says he's glad Fea's dead, (which he might be after her attempted bandwaggon). Says he thinks I'm innocent, but that he's suspicious of Nogrod again.

#101:

Says he can't defend himself against anything Fea brought up. Claims Fea's capriciousness due to history between himself and Fea. Says he thought yesterDay that I was attempting to piggy-back on him and jump on the Nogrod Bandwaggon. And he thinks I'm petty. I guess my reputation among the wolves isn't decisive one way or another.

#107:

Says there's no substance to Boro's accusations. Well at that point there really wasn't much. Except for the seer bit he hadn't confessed yet.

Apologises for the piggy-back thing.

#123:

Starts with a long refutation of the I Love You thing of Fea's, then goes on to suggest we look at the quiet villagers. Both Fea and Kuru kept saying to look at the quieter villagers. Makes me wonder if our third wolf is also among the loud.

#125:

Responds to Nogrod saying that he is still looking at him closely, but that he is inclined to think him innocent because of his defense yesterDay. I thought at the beginning of toDay he said Nogrod looked more suspicious. I'm confused.

Has said nothing since Boro's revelation.


Okay, alcohol is helping less and less. Can one slur one's typing?

[Diamond18]

Right now based on the behavior of Fea and Kuru I'm fairly confident that Nogrod and JennyHallu are innocent and am rather suspicious of Firefoot. Kuru voted for the first two, and Fea recommended keeping FF alive. Also, I'm inclined to think our Seer is a smart one and if he suspects FF, that's looking like good advice.

This is of course assuming that the next 24 hours or so will see both Kuru and Boro die.

[JennyHallu]

While I appreciate that you think me innocent, Diamond, we can't discount the possibility of wolf on wolf voting. My analysis has left me once again absolutely confused about Nogrod, as well as seeing Firefoot as perhaps a good direction to take our attention.

As for my confusion on Nogrod...and other things...I have a sneaking suspicion that there are a LOT of things that will seem clearer in the morning.

It was a good day, both here (though this one isn't done yet) and in RL. I will hopefully be on some tomorrow to discuss what I've brought up. As it's a Saturday, however, I promise nothing.

[Diamond18]

While I appreciate that you think me innocent, Diamond, we can't discount the possibility of wolf on wolf voting. My analysis has left me once again absolutely confused about Nogrod, as well as seeing Firefoot as perhaps a good direction to take our attention.

Well, the fact that Kuru voted for Nogrod at first but then changed his vote to you is a bit suspicious, as if he started out wolf-on-wolf to test the waters but then changed in an attempt to spare Nogrod. However, since he made an attempt to shift suspicion back onto Nogrod today, for vague reasons, I'm just wondering if that's an indication of innocence on Nogrod's part. Would he attempt another wolf-on-wolf campaign when there's only two of them left?

[Firefoot]

First let me say that I am exceedingly scared for this village. Talk about deja vu from the last time there was this village set up... aka WW I... I had a funny feeling about this at the start of the Day, and it's just ripening right up.

++Kuru

I see no reason (or little reason) why Boromir would be lying. If he is a wolf, he is basically setting himself up for slaughter on the next Day, and this would help the wolves not much at all at this point.

I see that I am coming under suspicion for so-called alliances, and I have little to say to that. I had intended to do a more complete analysis earlier but I ran out of time after looking at Boromir, who, as I said, had simply jumped out at me. And I will yet do an analysis on the rest of you, but not tonight (it's about midnight...). If some more concrete suspicions come up against me I may defend myself and I may not; I'm standing behind what I've said as it has seemed the best course of action at the time. I would ask that you not simply go after me because Boromir suspects me; other than his dreams he is no more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

More when I wake up in the morning.

[Nogrod]

The real seer, if you're not Boro, should probably speak up.


??? Why on earth???

No help from my RL sleep... I can see no reason for Boro to lie about his seership.

++ Kuruharan

This is good news Boro!

If we just had a ranger around... :(

[Mithalwen]

Under the clear majority rule, at the moment of JennyHallu's vote for Kuruharan votes became non-retractable.

Kuruharan will be lynched.

I do not have time to give him the send off he deserves now.
So..... I think you are going to have to sweat a little longer - sorry RL .. but not until 6.30 I think. I will give it until 3 or 4 to allow the North Americans to wake up - you may continue to talk.

NB Re Gil-galad I am monitoring the situation.

[Oddwen]

Well...gee...I feel rather uh, useless now...

I was all ready to go after Sleepy, but I guess that line of talk is over...

So.

Gee, this is almost like a new and different DAY, talking about the third wolf. :D

So I'm thinking about Fea & Kuru's talk of each other - if they talked to each other so freely, would they have tried to hide the third wolf because they knew they were at-risk?

So... can I kill you Nogrod? Please? I need somebody onto whom I can latch. ;)
I'm more inclined to see this as a sign that Nogrod is innocent. I mean, she wouldn't latch to Kuru and Nogrod, would she?. If so, does this make Mormegil's earlier pursuit wolfish? And if Nogrod is a wolf, well then, this is a very strange game. :( But Kuru goes back to speaking against Nogrod today. I believe that he is trying to pin something on an innocent.

Kuru votes for Nogrod on day one, but says he's not comfortable with it. Changes it to Jenny.

I think Jenny is innocent, mostly because Kuru stirred up things against her quite a bit.

So...reading back, to me, the one who seems to me most likely to be a wolf would be...Mormegil. Perhaps Kitanna.

As I likely shan't be on again toDAY, I'll vote for

++MORMEGIL

And thank you, Boro

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

??? Why on earth???

No help from my RL sleep... I can see no reason for Boro to lie about his seership.

++ Kuruharan

This is good news Boro!

If we just had a ranger around... :(

Norgod, in response to your question...I was not saying that Boro is not the real seer. I was saying that *IF* he isn't, someone ought to come out and say that they are the seer. However, I am very sure that Boro is...I was just making sure I had all my bases covered. I hope that cleared up your confusion. :)

So. The Analysis I promised.

The obvious. (I hope)
Boromir Our seer. Innocent, and doomed to die.
Kuru Our second wolf. 100% lynched.
Fea Our first wolf. Dead.

The Uncertain (Or, Everyone Else)
Norgod--I am inclined to think innocent for now...I think that a Kuru-Wolf would play things a little more carefully than to accuse a fellow wolf, especially since Fea was being so out in the open. But who knows. Maybe that's what we're supposed to think. I do now chalk up his aggression toward quiet ones to playing style, like it or not.
Gil--Is he just being Gil? Or is he a wolf riding under the convenient cover that no matter what absurd thing he does, we'll say he's just being himself? He is the true wildcard here on this list. He could be either thing. Most others, I feel like I have a sense of their character. From him, I get nothing.
Diamond18 I am content to believe she is innocent for now. She doesn't say much, and there are some things others are pointing to about her style, but I think it's just inexperience, and nothing to worry about.
Jenny --One of our more vocal players. She's also hard for me to figure out. Either she's a wolf who is trying to hide, or an innocent who just likes to speak out and mix things up. I honestly don't know. But there's nothing there that says she's our third wolf.
Firefoot Looks somewhat guilty to me. If she's a wolf, she's dangerous, which is why I'm not taking chances. Her warning against dissecting Fea's posts too carefully (Found in post #109) Could be a wolvish attempt to cover up for Kuru. Then again, could be an analysis of Fea's character by an innocent villager. That particular point is moot now, as we know that Kuru is, in fact, our other wolf.
Morm again, as with firefoot, if he's a wolf, he's dangerous, but I don't really get any feeling of red flags from him.
Oddwen She's very quiet (but then again, so am I). Her vote for Morm toDay was a bit strange, when Kuru's fate is already sealed. Is she a wolf who didn't want to jump on the bandwaggon to kill one of her pals? Or an innocent who is just trying to get the ball rolling on someone she really suspects for toMorrow?
Kitanna Voted for Kuru. I think she is innocent, just because I don't see it as something a wolf would do, especially when Kuru was already in pretty serious trouble...It's too much of a risk. Then again, his fate is pretty much sealed, and perhaps she did it to make us think she is innocent. My instinct says she's innocent, though.

I am so frequently wrong that it just isn't funny, so I don't know how all this is going to work out. I'm just telling you all what I see, though there's no guarantee that any of this is accurate...

[JennyHallu]

I would be all shock and awe astonished NOT to see the wolf in our Kuruharan bandwaggon today. Since Boro came out as the seer, there's almost no chance of Kuru's survival today. Anyone who didn't vote for him is going to look odd.

Gah! Just read over my analyses of Fea and Kuru's posting. I think the analyses are good...but my off-topic comments...can I officially say I'm embarassed for myself? (Although I am glad and mildly surprised that the analyses seem coherent.)

[Firefoot]

Alrighty, time to take a comprehensive look at everybody. For those of you who are unfamiliar with my style of analysis (this kind), the "," separates points in the same post, the ";" separates different posts, and the ";;" separates Day 1 and Day 2. The "." indicates the end of the sum up and the start of my analysis. I didn't include posts that held no apparent substance to them (e.g., the drug war posts at the start).

Jenny Hallu - is wary not suspicious of Nogrod, wants more substance from Gil, votes Gil; changes vote to Nogrod for being bloodthirsty; Nogrod - "hasty and illogical", Gil - annoying, Sleepy - vote is "odd but reasonable", Fea - "erratic", Boro - "reasonable and logical", Kuru - somewhat suspicious, Firefoot - "reasonable and logical", decides for the time being to leave her vote with Nogrod; two corrections to others' statements; defends herself to others' claims that she has been erratic and petty;; defends herself for thinking Fea innocent; thinks Nogrod is probably innocent, explains suspicion of Kuru; comments about how much effort "most people" put into wording their posts; Boro - looking more and more suspicious, thinks Nogrod innocent, still concerned about Kuru, worries about Diamond's apparent wishy-washyness, calls Oddwen, Kitanna, and Zali too quiet, Gil - hopefully innocent, Morm - unknown, me - probably innocent; inclined to believe Boro's claim; analysis of Fea's posts; analysis of Kuru's posts. My overall impression of her is innocent. She does post a lot, but it's not all wishy-washy; there is some substance to it and I can usually see where she is coming from. Not off the radar yet, but rather low.

Kitanna - is somewhat suspicious of Nogrod, feels his first three reasons for wanting to lynch silent people have some merit; Nogrod more suspicious than Morm, Gil unhelpful, Fea neutral suspicion, Sleepy unhelpful, doesn't want to vote any of them, votes Kuru mostly randomly;; Jenny - petty, Boro and Kuru - plenty of room for doubt, overall leaning towards Kuru's guilt rather than Boro's; in order of suspicion: Kuru, Jenny, Boromir; votes Kuru. I can see a possibility for a wolf here. She was not alone in her suspicion of Kuru, of course, but I can certainly see potential for a wolf going for another wolf. Not sure though; she could be innocent. Somewhere in the middle.

Diamond18 - gets quite defensive over Boromir's initial accusation of her, attempts to turn the tables around and shed some suspicion on him; is confused about who to vote for; votes Nogrod;; thinks Nogrod is proably innocent but ticked off with her, isn't sure about Jenny - sees possible connection with Fea, finds Kuru highly suspicious, isn't sure whether Morm's start of the lynch-Nogrod mob meant anything, not sure about Boro, confused about me, not much to say about Oddwen, Kitanna, Gil, and Zali; leaning towards Kuru's innocence from his interactions with Fea; says my point of most people not needing to choose carefully their words was good; defends herself to Jenny and says that she is not just agreeing with everything everyone says; lists possibilities of what Boro could really be with his claim to be seer; votes Kuru; Nogrod and Jenny - innocent, me - suspicious. Diamond seems to be a little all over the place. Some of her posts I think she could be a wolf and others not. I'm watching her but not completely suspicious of her.

Mormegil - votes Nogrod for his haste in accusing silent ones; points out Boromir's contradicting opinions about him; defends himself to Nogrod (gives air or irritation); first points out the "Fea's a wolf" line; changes vote to Fea;; posts voting, Jenny - suspicious, says Oddwen's, Kitanna's, Diamond's, and Jenny's votes of interest, is leaning towards Nogrod's innocence; growing suspicion of Jenny, groupings for suspicion (most to least): [Azaelia Oddwen Kitanna] [Diamond Boro Firefoot Jenny Nogrod] [Morm Kuru Gil]; vote Kuru; requests Boro's reasons for suspecting me; frustrated with Gil. Morm seems to be acting pretty consistently with my experience with him; however, this doesn't necessarily mean anything. He's smart enough to be able to pull it off as a wolf. I'd say leaning more innocent than guilty.

Nogrod - expresses concern over silent ones, proposes lynching one of them on the first day; comes up with his (faulty) statistics, continues proposing the silent ones be lynched; responds to people's accusations of him; gets frustrated at people's continued accusations of him for his idea of lynching silent ones; votes morm for being hypocritical, voting hastily for him, being bloodthirsty, and having an arrogant playing style; changes vote to Gil; calls Morm's actions "rampant madness," wonders why he ignores the posts of for example me, Kitanna, and Fea (significance here? or just random names?); changes vote to Fea;; comments about the amazing circumstances of Fea's death; comments that Jenny's playing style says little or nothing about her wolvishness; wants some explanation from Boro; frustrated with Gil; provides a sum-up of recent discussion; votes Kuru. Nogrod seems more like a frustrated innocent than a wolf to me, but I'm not sure. On the whole I'd say he seems fairly genuine.

Gil-galad - "alas, alas" post;; votes Kuru. Nothing to say here...

Azaelia - comes down on Nogrod for accusing the silent ones, threatens that she will probably be voting for him; votes Nogrod, wants people to vote based on the person and what they're saying rather than how loud or quiet they are;; Nogrod not sitting right, believed Boro innocent even before his seer claim, about ready to vote for Kuru; votes Kuru; Nogrod - probably innocent, Gil - unknown, Diamond - probably innocent, Jenny - hard to figure out, but probably innocent, me - somewhat guilty, morm - dangerous if a wolf, Oddwen - confusing, Kitanna - probably innocent. She seems pretty innocent to me.

Oddwen - doesn't think that vocal people are necessarily helpful; votes Sleepy;; unsure about Nogrod, votes Morm (...?). I would definitely like to hear more from Oddwen. Her posts are extremely lacking in substance.

Now a look at Fea's analysis (for clarification: I did not mean that we should not look at it at all. I meant that it should be read with a grain of salt). From her post, I would be inclined to think Nogrod and Morm more innocent, while looking more closely at Kitanna, Jenny, and Zali. Lining that up with my earlier thoughts, it would seem to point towards Kitanna as a wolf. I'm not convinced that this is so, however; thankfully there's another day to decide all of this.

Phew! That certainly took a while.

[Boromir88]

Boromir,

May I ask why you are suspicious of Firefoot? I would like to hear what you have to say before you are mauled. Alas, I wish we had a ranger but we have him not.
I planned on doing everyone of course. ;)

Well in the next day and Night I would think Kuru and myself are out of the picture leaving:

Diamond
mormegil
Jenny
Azaelia
Oddwen
Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Kitanna
Nogrod

I feel safe to say that mormegil is innocent, though I didn't dream of him. If you aren't morm, my spirit shall come back and haunt you for the rest of your cursed life :rolleyes: . Sorry if this is condemning you to die the day after me, but I feel pretty confident in your innocence and judgement.

The one's I'm inclined to think are innocent, but wouldn't be surprised or shocked if they are wolves:
Jenny
Nogrod
Azaelia

Jenny, because of the revelation yesterday. In her condemning us for lynching Fea...I'm sure it embarassed the heck out of her to find out Feanor was a wolf...I was kind of laughing, but it's not a move I imagine a wolf to make. I don't even think a wolf would attempt it, it definitely goes to speak towards her innocence.

Nogrod, for not allowing the double lynching to occur. Whether a wolf or innocent I would expect someone to save their life in a situation like that, and I see it as Nogrod being an innocent.

Azaelia, she seems pretty innocent, has come in made valuable posts. Though isn't one of the "heavier" posters hers have always been insightful and helpful, inclined to believe she's innocent for now, but again wouldn't be shocked if she turned out to be a wolf.

I'm unsure about:
Kitanna
Oddwen
Gil-galad
Diamond
Firefoot

Kitanna seems pretty innocent, but the "analysis of Feanor's" last night got me a little worried. I don't know whether Feanor would be that bold or not.

Oddwen, haven't seen much from her and her vote for mormegil gets me more worried about her. Kuru's fate seems apparently set in stone, so perhaps her vote is just a safe vote of some sort. Or perhaps she doesn't want the blood of a companion on her hands? But, a wolf would know this, it would look bad not to vote for your own companion when his death is evident. But what I don't understand, why mormegil? He seems to be the most innocent one here besides me.

Gil-galad, we aren't going to figure out. I believe he's probably innocent, but he's going to stay around and in the Day or 2 I would suggest you lynch Gil-galad so he doesn't become a question mark and a burden for the entire village. The later he stays around the more helpful he can only be for the wolves. Since I think he's likely innocent I wouldn't lynch him yet, but if you can't find a wolf, it would be best to get Gil-galad out of the way when there's still a substantial amount of villagers left.

Diamond, a new player, she seems to have gotten the hang of it well. Can't make her out to well, seemingly innocent but as a new member to the village I don't know how she'll be, and that could make her a dangerous last wolf. But right now there's others that stand out more.

Firefoot, the reason I've suspected Firefoot is because of Fea's post yesterday suggesting we should keep her around even if she's a wolf. He saying I loved Kuru caused the alarm to go off on me and by the grace I was given spotted the 2nd wolf. I don't know whether Feanor would be that bold to be friends to both of her companions, but it seems fishy to me.

Also, Firefoot's insistance that there can be nothing found in Feanor's posts. I believe she called Feanor "erratic and spontaneous" and don't look into her posts too much. This seems logical, but knowing Feanor's and Kuru's guilt it looks like she was trying to shy the village away from Feanor's acts yesterday which got me to dream of Kuru. So, that's why Firefoot looks the most suspicious to me. But I wouldn't encourage to go an all out lynch mob on Firefoot. She is a valuable player and as an innocent could be helpful, however I would definitely watch her tomorrow.

Firefoot and Oddwen are the two then that raise the biggest eyebrows to me.

Though his fate seems sealed I might as well make it formal. It would only be formal for me to vote I guess...

++Kuruharan

[Firefoot]

Also, Firefoot's insistance that there can be nothing found in Feanor's posts. Okay, I can see where you're coming from here. This is what I said: Also, I advise against trying to decipher too much out of Fea's posts about who might be innocent or guilty. Fea is insane and will have gone out of her way to confuse us all (she probably would have done that were she innocent as well). There is no way of telling how much of that she was being honest in. I did not mean to say that nothing could be gotten out of her posts at all; I just wanted people to be careful, as I said here:Now a look at Fea's analysis (for clarification: I did not mean that we should not look at it at all. I meant that it should be read with a grain of salt).
And:
I believe she called Feanor "erratic and spontaneous" and don't look into her posts too much. I never called Fea erratic and spontaneous. And it would be stupid not to look at Fea's posts at all.

[Nogrod]

I'm more inclined to see this as a sign that Nogrod is innocent. I mean, she wouldn't latch to Kuru and Nogrod, would she?. If so, does this make Mormegil's earlier pursuit wolfish? And if Nogrod is a wolf, well then, this is a very strange game. :( But Kuru goes back to speaking against Nogrod today. I believe that he is trying to pin something on an innocent.


I would like just to note something on interpreteing wolf's posts and drawing conclusions on them.

1) Wolves probably try mildly to support ordos that are controversial enough in the village (possible lynched), and kill the really dangerous ones at night. But if some of their "expedient villagers" start to get out of suspicion, they will readily remind others about those suspicions...
2) You should see the context when it was made (was the wolf confident about getting it to the other day when writing, what did s/he know by the time etc.)


Really good job from Firefoot, whatever you are. And I hope you being one of us! Tend to believe her innocent. As I do for the moment with Morm and Azaelia, perhaps. Kind of gets really hard after one or two people.

Kind of sorry about having very active RL day, and can't stick my mind so wholeheartedly in this. Tomorrow, I probably hope to be of more help.

PS. Have you noticed one more curiosity about this game?
Day 1 Sleepy comes from nowhere, and with no explanations as such, votes for Fea as the first person to do that - who turns out to be a wolf.
Day 2 Gil comes from nowhere, and with no explanations as such, votes for Kuru as the first person to do that - who turns out to be a wolf!!!

This is a magical village, now it really is! (add to this the first night's incredible voting hassle ending in a dead wolf, seer having two wolves with just two dreams...)

[Mithalwen]

Despite the not unexpected horror of Commander Ranger's death, the surviving sleuths were in upbeat mood that morning. Some of the more cynical might say that at a certain level they enjoyed using their skills once again in their secluded village. Many had reverted to type and prepared cases against their fellow villagers. these included mormegil the cryptologist, Nogrod and Diamond, detectives both, and Firefoot the crimewriter. Most confident of all was the FBI man, Boromir 88. Some might have thought the Agent had overdone the "damn fine coffee - and hot!" so ardent was he in his assertion that Kuruharan, the curmudgeonly, Wagner-loving detective turned publican was another wolf but his claim to be the seer convinced the majority.

Soon the Inspector's felt was sealed and a lynchmob, more numerous and more confident than the day before, came to drag him from his bar, whence he had gone to sulk, sup real ale and do the cross word. He had just completed "Gave succour to assistant with first delivery" (5) and was working on "California Vet may make a bloomer" (7,6), when they arrived ......

"Crosswords - bah - hang him" said one.

"You are being ridiculous - you should know I woul have nothing to do with a cartoon inspector - I was a Chief Inspector - with Oxfordshire CID" He protested, gruffly.

"And look what happened to the murder rate during your time there - It was worse than the Bronx!" pointed out Azaelia.

"You are a fine one to talk - Causton is even worse- and they all got solved in the end"

"All this is academic" - said Boromir "We are going to hang you and prove that you are the solution to this anagram" he added scribbling "We send fool crew" somewhat ungrammatically across the Inspector's paper.

The hanging basket with its long dead flowers was removed from the village gibbet and they hanged Kuruharan as light faded from the sky.

There was a look of sadness in the man's clear blue eyes as they placed the noose around his neck btu he had to much dignity to resist.

The lynch mob let him fall waiting for the crack of a breaking neck. It did not come. the rope squeezed tighter and Kuruharan's face changed. Red it went first as the blood congested in his head.

"The drop wasn't long enough" - complained someone.

"It was" insisted Oddwen - "I am a professor of pathology - I know how much drop is required to break the neck of a man his size."

But then they realised that Kuruharan's face had legthened and was covered with white fur.

"But" asked Kitanna sardonically"do you know the drop for a werewolf his size?".

Before she could get an answer, Mormegil seized her cane once more and plunged it through the beast's heart.

Villagers 9 Wolves 1

Night 3 has begun.

Seer and wolf PM me. You are entitled to the full 24 hours but I may start the Day slightly earlier if I have received the necessary requests. But it is unlikely to be much earlier since I have a family lunch to go to - unless I get the requests very quickly.

[Mithalwen]

Dead:

Mithalwen - moderator killed by werewolves on Night 1
Feanor of the Peredhil - werewolf not hanged but drowned, drawn and pinned on Day 1
Sleepy Ranger - ordinary Villager, suffocated by gold paint (so tacky) on Night 2
Kuruharan - werewolf, lynched anagrammaticaly on Day 2

Living:
AoW,B88,D18,Ff,G-g,JH,Kit,Morm, Nog, Oddone,
Villagers 9 (inc Seer)
Wolves 1

[Mithalwen]

When morning came noone was surprised ot find that Agent Boromir was ampong those who gathered on the village green. His house, Cooperdale Cottage was next to the pub and they found the door open.

There was no sign of blood but a strange smell wafted over the usual fragrance of coffee and cherry pie. The livingroom with it's racks of neatly labelled tapes was untouched - the only odd thing was a log on the desk. Beside it was a piece of paper on which Boromir hadwritten the names of Feanor and Kuruharan. They followed their noses to the bathroom where they found Boromir lying in the bath still dressed in his customary suit and trenchcoat. Boromir had been drowned but not in water. The bath had been filled with baked-beans and Boromir's eyes had been replaced with tomatoes. How much he must have suffered.

Dead:

Mithalwen - moderator killed by werewolves on Night 1
Feanor of the Peredhil - werewolf not hanged but drowned, drawn and pinned on Day 1
Sleepy Ranger - ordinary Villager, suffocated by gold paint (so tacky) on Night 2
Kuruharan - werewolf, lynched anagrammaticaly on Day 2
Boromir88 - seer, drowned in a bath of baked beans by a werewolf on Night 3

Living:
AoW,D18,Ff,G-g,JH,Kit,Morm, Nog, Oddone,
Villagers 8
Wolves 1

You have until 6.30 pm Monday GMT to lynch someone. Clear majority is 5 and if this is reached, votes become non-retractable.

[Diamond18]

I just got done with a long day of work, filled with screaming babies and scary people with unwashed hair, so I’m currently too tired to think straight. But, as it’s Night and there’s nothing else to do, I’ll try to write some kind of comprehensive post for as soon as Day starts again. (Note, when this is actually posted I will not have just got home from work, most likely I’ll just have gotten up. As I type it’s Saturday evening.)

So.... people I’m most suspicious of:

Firefoot
Oddwen
Azaelia

People I’m less suspicious of:

Kitanna
Mormegil
JennyHallu
Nogrod
Gil-Galad


People I’m hardly suspicious of at all:

Hahaha, funny, that.

People of whose pure driven snowy white innocence I’m assured:

Myself.

Duh.

Sleepy Ranger
Boromir88

RIP, guys.

So, let’s review the list, shall we?

Firefoot

So, right, we’ve been told not to read too much into what Fea said/did -- but look at Kuru. Prior to Boro’s revelation I was NOT intending to vote for Kuru, because the only really suspicious thing I saw about him (more than your garden variety everybody-here-is-suspicious suspicion) was Fea’s behavior toward him, and I was going with the “Pay no mind to Fea, she’s crazy” stuff. Seems that Kuru-Wolf was most vocal in that regard, eh? So considering Fea’s encouragement to leave Firefoot be.... I’m not at all comfortable letting Firefoot be. Maybe Firefoot’s innocent, maybe she’s a wolf, but right now I’m more comfortable with the idea of finding out by “lynching” her rather than... not knowing.

(SUNDAY EDIT: Note also that Firefoot was online and posted in Survivor a mere couple of hours before Boro's death was announced. Coincedence?)

Oddwen and Azaelia, on the other hand, I just can’t get a good grasp on and since “We fear what we do not know,” I’m leery of them. It could be nothing more than RL keeping their posting fairly quiet, but still that gives me less to go on.

Kitanna

Frankly, as I’m mainly suspicious of Firefoot right now, my feelings of suspicion for Kitanna may stem from the fact that she’s relatively quite within the game and I don’t know her very well outside the game. So all “How does Kitanna behave in such and such situation?” questions come up with a big fat, “uuuuuuh, I don’t know” as an answer. Therefore, Kitanna rings a big fat , “uuuuuuh, I don’t know” on my Suspicion Bell.

Mormegil

Fea fingered him for a Seer. Seems her vote for him was far less cheeky than her vote for Kuru, therefore seems she was more serious about trying to get him killed. If Fea wanted him dead, I’m inclined to think him innocent.

JennyHallu

I was getting really suspicious of Jenny for mostly niggling reasons, flags that might be signals of a wolf playing a sloppy game, and that feeling increased when she said she was very suspicious of me... I got scared and felt like she was a wolf going after me. However, since knowing Kuru’s guilt, I find it hard to believe Jenny’s a wolf, so I’m chalking up her suspicious behavior to personality, and not actual wolfishness.

Nogrod

Seems, as someone put it, genuine. He posts a lot and seems into the game with an innocent sort of enthusiasm, so he’s about as far down on my suspicion list as one can get. Am I 100%? Never.

Gil-Galad

Here’s an interesting wrinkle, Gil said he’d be gone till Sunday evening. This is problematic if he’s a wolf, because, well, he should be contacting Mith about who to kill before then. So, either Gil’s not a wolf, or he’s a wolf and he figured Kuru would take care of tonight’s kill, or he’s a wolf and he’s NOT gone, he just wants us to think so and the only action he’s taking is to secretly PM Mithalwen with his victim. Personally, I’m thinking it’s as simple as him just not being a wolf, though it’s entirely within the realm of possibility that he is.

Me

Well, I have been called wishy-washy, quiet, all over the place, defensive, etc. I guess I am wishy-washy, can’t deny that. But that’s because I’m not a Seer and I’m not a Wolf, so wishy-washy and all over the place is all I can be -- one feels that way when one is so completely in the dark. Maybe more experience leads to more assurance, but... then again I’m a Libra, so somehow I find that rather doubtful. :p I didn’t think of myself as being defensive toward Boro, and it wasn’t my intent to turn the tables on him, I was just posting on what little there was to post on at the time -- I mean I was suspicious, but no more than of anyone else. I was defensive toward Jenny, because, like I said, I thought her wolfish at the time and she scared me with her assessment. As for quiet... well, I’m here and I post when I’m here. When I’m gone, either asleep or at work or otherwise busy with eating/personal hygiene, I don’t post. Naturally.

Sleepy Ranger

Dead, poor guy.

Boro

Probably dead by the time this gets posted. Martyred be the Lone Wolf. Rather a romantic way to go, all things considered.

Anyhow, I didn’t bother with play by play’s of people’s posts, because, well, it’s already been done at this point.

I’m voting Firefoot today, unless anyone can convince me why it would be a really stupendously good idea to vote for someone else.

[Firefoot]

You can lynch me if you want on those other grounds, but this?(SUNDAY EDIT: Note also that Firefoot was online and posted in Survivor a mere couple of hours before Boro's death was announced. Coincedence?) I'm sorry, but this is absurd. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm on quite a bit, especially on weekends. I would bet that most of you have been on sometime in the past 24 hours. I guess that means we're all wolves, right? That is quite possibly the most shoddy evidence I have ever heard for wolvishness. :rolleyes: So, right, we’ve been told not to read too much into what Fea said/did I've already addressed this point two or three times. Heck, I have even looked into Fea's posts to see what I could find there.

[Nogrod]

Do you think there is anything of interest to us in Mith's last lynching post? That "second werewolf" -anagram surely wasn't one, neither the "California Vet may make a bloomer" (7, 6), if it meant only her comment on our game: so Boromir's (7) self-revealment was a bit hasty from her viewpoint?

But what could that (6) be, who could be misguided (Oddwen (6) to vote for Morm? - too obvious & substantial hinting)? Or the other crossword that Kuru had already solved: "Gave succour to assistant with first delivery" (5). I can only think of Jenny as five-letter name, and there is no sense in that - and should the answer be a name - and is there anything of interest in these anyhow?

As there have been many people suspecting Firefoot (whom I've inclined to trust) and Kitanna (of whom I have nothing in the way or the other), I'll be doing some homework with them, and be back in some hours.

Still: a wonderful start! If we are considerate enough, we might have three wolves in three nights (unhappily, I doubt it, but we can hope)! Would that be a WW-record of some kind? :)

[Diamond18]

Nogrod, I somehow doubt that Mithalwen is giving us hints in her posts. Unless this is something she did in her other game? Still, seems somewhat unfair for the mod to be dropping hints....

Firefoot, as for my "Sunday edit", I threw that up there at the last second -- you were already at the top of my suspects list so it's not as significant as all that. Surely not as significant as that Kuru also complained loudly about absurd arguments which turned out to be not-so-absurd-after-all-eh-wot? yesterday. :D

[Kitanna]

(SUNDAY EDIT: Note also that Firefoot was online and posted in Survivor a mere couple of hours before Boro's death was announced. Coincedence?)
Your other reasons against Firefoot have some merit, but come on now, picking on her for a post she made hours before Boromir's death is just a shot below the waist. I'm sure most of us made posts on one thread or another during the night so that shouldn't have any bearing in what we're trying to do here.
Do you think there is anything of interest to us in Mith's last lynching post? That "second werewolf" -anagram surely wasn't one, neither the "California Vet may make a bloomer" (7, 6), if it meant only her comment on our game: so Boromir's (7) self-revealment was a bit hasty from her viewpoint?
It may have something to do with Kuru's role and nothing more.
Be back in a bit with some thoughts.

[JennyHallu]

Hey, guys, checking in. I still think the analysis of Fea's and Kuru's posts that I did the other day could be useful.

I also think that looking at the voting record, (more importantly the timing of the voting record) could really help us in at least crossing some people off the list of suspects. However, I'm busy playing a game with my husband right now and will be mostly lurking for a while.

[Nogrod]

Well. I’ve been reading through all Kitanna’s and Firefoot’s posts now, in the light of both Fea’s first day analysis and Boro’s “testament”, and trying to fit them to what we know now – and what we don’t.

My inclination is to say, that they are both innocent villagers, but with Firefoot I’m more confident about it. The big difference between them is, that Firefoot seems to be logical and straightforward all the time, whereas Kitanna could be seen as really a wolfish one at the beginning, but then turning her ways totally to become a genuinely unsuspected one: that beginning can of course be explained by the “first day”, and that’s indeed the reason, why I’m leaning more towards her innocence.

And before you read forwards, please take note of the following (I don’t want to be accused as a bloodthirsty-one again...): I have have read their posts as kind of a Devil’s advocate, looking at them basically as wolves. So this is hypothethical, not substantial, with either of them...

But see for yourselves:

Case Kitanna:

#12
Anywho, I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes deal early on. Why am I not surprised?
Teaming with the other wolves with idle, but positive chatting?

#34
His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often. Despite his overeagerness to get the silent ones I'd hesitate voting for him (at this point at least). I feel this move on his part is too wreckless for a wolf. But still Nogrod has raised a few warning flags, yet, for me it is too early to make a desicion that can comdemn him.
Defending my reasons, but still attacking me. That's the wolf's way: keep the suspicions up for the overall suspected villagers on, but detach yourself from them a bit.

#59
Now Morm is a shifty one, but I'd say between Nogrod and Morm, Nogrod is the more susipcious. But I've been toying with the idea that those two are in cahoots. It seems a wreckless move on DAY one for a team of wolves to attack each other like these two appear to be doing, but it is not utside the realm of possibilty. That's just a loose theory and not something to act on today.
From a wolf's point of view, just a perfect match: theory of two innocents having a very daring wolf-to-wolf alliance! A smart wolf could try this kind of a thing? We are at the early hours of the game still by this post...

Next is Gil for his short and unhelpful posts. While getting him on day one seems like a good idea even if he is innocent we run the risk of killing a gifted innocent. Gil probably won't change his gaming style regardless of his role, so I prefer to hold out a day before casting down a vote for him.
A wolf would defend a "known-to do-nothing-at-all" -villager in the first day, as to not lose a very good asset later on.

Fea is Fea. I have neutral feelings toward her. Nothing to condemn her or to save her.
Note the neutrality!

++Kuru
He's a dangerous enemy and I'm actually afraid of him (and Boromir and Morm for that matter). But for the most part this is random.
A safe vote for a wolf? And laying suspicion over Boro & Morm at the same time?

2nd day, Fea dead.

#117
Jenny seems to be pretty petty (and she said so herself in her first post today). She voted for Gil and then retracted it and changed it to Nogrod because "Nogrod's tone in his post against you, morm, annoyed me greatly." That sort of jumped out at me. Is she trying to defend Morm? Trying to hop on an innocent's back?
Jumping to quite quick conclusions here? Forming another wolf&wolf conspiracy with Morm in it (now Morm & Jenny)?

Boromir and Kuru seem to have engaged themselves in a battle early on today. As well as Jenny following Boromir's lead and accusing Kuru. Given Fea's history in these games and her early "joke" vote for Kuru Boromir's first post makes a good point. But there's plenty of room for doubt.
Admitting the suspicions of Boromir (wise for a wolf...). But read the next:

I am more inclined to see Kuru as a wolf, but there's enough doubt for me to hold out on voting for him. The day is still relatively young and I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet.
How could one see this, without some specific knowledge? Securing oneself as seeing Kuru being a goner?

Now there's Boromir. He seems awfully sure of himself. It's quite unnerving, but if he's right and Kuru is a wolf then we owe him a great deal of thanks. If he's wrong he's damned himself. But bear in mind even if he's wrong there's still a chance he was a misguided innocent.
Quite unnerving, for a wolf at least! Is this a slip of some real thoughts? BUt then there starts the "defence" of Kitanna.... Her reminder of the possibility of B being a misguided innocent, seems to speak for her innocence?

#121
Thank you, Diamond, for providing me with Jenny's Fea defense. She made the post minutes before voting closed. I find it hard to believe Jenny really thought Fea wasn't going to get the noose and it's just too sloppy of a move for a wolf to make. If Jenny knew when day was going to end I don't think she would have made such a statement unless she really thought Fea was innocent.
Really innocent looking & emphatic post. Seemingly really understanding Jenny's reactions. WIth really devilish eyes, you might read this as a trial of a wolf to help a controversial villager to make still another day...

#132
I trust Boromir, if he were a wolf I don't think he'd be so bold.
What else could you do? A wolf or a villager alike would make this statement...

Sorry: this seems to be quite a job. I'll send this one now, and be posting the Firefoot-part within a short while.

[mormegil]

Sadly I have been unable to read to much on this yet, but I would ask Oddwen to explain her vote for me. I dont' mind being voted for but I wonder why she would vote for me yesterday when we knew whom a wolf was.

[Nogrod]

So, to Firefoot then.

EDIT: And before you read forwards, please take note of the following (I don’t want to be accused as a bloodthirsty-one again...): I have have read their posts as kind of a Devil’s advocate, looking at them basically as wolves. So this is hypothethical, not substantial, with either of them...


#28
You say that Nogrod's too eager to lynch the quiet ones, but some of you seem extremely eager to lynch Nogrod... on the other hand, I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.
Quite a reasonable defending of my position, but a clever wolf would do this - keeping the controversial villager alive to be lynched...

#41
B88 did contradict himself on the point of morm, as morm pointed out. He seems fairly eager to get some control in this game, but it seems like I remember that being fairly normal for him. Possibly a vote here, although I am reluctant at this early stage to vote out one of the most substantially-posting players.
Not wishing to lynch the substantial posters - wise villager-like - or then very cunning wolf-like.

Diamond went pretty far into a defense of herself because of the accusation based on her name. I'm not sure it means anything, but I have noticed that newcomer wolves are sometimes overly defensive. I'm not sure this applies here since she sounded fairly even-minded through all of it.
The way a wolf would act like: have a suspicion, and then draw yourself away from it.

++Gil-Galad
About as random as anything, I guess, and with nothing else to go on on the first day, the least helpful players can go first...
A wolf voting a silent villager! Either a very stupid (not likely in this case) or a very clever one. Firefoots early voting hours distract here, to not to take too much conclusions about them (she couldn't know, what was coming after her vote)

= Boromir
Nogrod, now it's possible that he is a wolf and so that two wolves aren't lynched he voted for Fea. However, I severely doubt this and think now he is innocent, and I think his innocence I can show a bit later on with who I think our wolves are.
I don't understand this logic. Not saying anything about Nogrod's innocence or guilt, I think this is quite shaky grounds to clear him on. If he was a wolf, of course he would change his vote to Fea. I realize that you account for this, but you don't give any other reasons that I saw for marking him as innocent. Care to explain, or point me back to someplace that I missed?
She clearly notices Boro's lack of logic here: but then again, as long as I could be suspected, a wise wolf would do this: keeping up suspicions over me...

Also, I advise against trying to decipher too much out of Fea's posts about who might be innocent or guilty. Fea is insane and will have gone out of her way to confuse us all (she probably would have done that were she innocent as well). There is no way of telling how much of that she was being honest in.
The classic! And I truly see that Firefoot has been right and the accusers (Boromir, the seer, included) wrong in this matter. She did not say, that we should not look at what Fea said, but only that we should not read too much to them. But her wording about Fea's "insanity" surely bother a bit... Anyhow: she didn't call Fea "erratic and spontaneous", as some stories here seem to suggest. She just called her insane ;)

Without much analysis, Boromir is starting to look suspicious to me.
I agreed at this point with this uneasiness as a villager, but a wise wolf would start to have ideas about Boro's seership... nb. "without much analysis" - quite unlike Firefoot in general.

#149
I would ask that you not simply go after me because Boromir suspects me; other than his dreams he is no more knowledgeable than the rest of us.
A good point we all should remember - but of course a running wolf would really like to stress this.

[Firefoot]

I've been doing a lot of thinking and perusing, but unfortunately no one is jumping out at me yet. Right now our numbers are both helping us and hurting us - helping because the more of us there are, the more time we have, but hurting because our odds for catching a wolf are not exactly good. A wolf is going to have a fairly easy time hiding here. What I'm going to try and do is build up a case for several of the villagers (depending on how long each one takes), and see what I have then.

And thank you to those of you who have given me a vote of confidence.

Cross-posting with Nogrod.

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod, I appreciate your analysis. Firefoot does look pretty good in light of your presentation, and I never really ever suspected Firefoot to begin with.

Kitanna, however, I'm less sure about.

The first quote you posted set me to thinking. "I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes"...

Maybe I'm seeing things where nothing exists, but that implies she knew already Fea had no intention of sticking with a vote for Kuruharan. Fea's perfectly capable of sticking with a random vote, wasn't she?

[Nogrod]

Well, my list of probably innocents stands now:

Firefoot
Mormegil
(and I hope this is not just wishful thinking...)

Then maybe:
Jenny
Gil = what a waste!

And you others: sorry, I just haven't had time enough to fall in to your posting with real care! But just hunches, in the order of least suspicious:

Azaelia: should read you more, at first I suspected, then not, now again, not sure...
Diamond: don't know, some wolfishness, then not. I really don't know, inclined to believe her innocent
Kitanna: it was very easy to see you as a wolf, but then it was just looking at the posts from a certain angle (could be done to anyone of us here, I think?)
Oddwen: Your Morm vote is really odd, and cries for explanation! But if Morm turns out to be a wolf, you're going to be our hero!

Just a couple of points from Fea's analysis before my time to go to sleep.

She seems to "defend" Firefoot
Firefoot is, whether on your side or not, good to have around. Her posts, especially as the game goes on, are full of substance, logical, insightful. If she's a wolf, we'll kill her later, but whether she is or not, her detail-oriented posts are helpful.
but that is reasonable talk. And I don't think all the wolves go unreasonable, just because they are wolves... They should indeed sound reasonable at some places?

Then, you see, she's not defending Kuruharan:
When he does talk, it's usually at length, but here, he's lying low. Perhaps trying to revamp his reputation? I'm willing to bandwagon him for a very good reason. But I'm probably just biased and resentful about my last experience with him as Wolf-Kuru.
It's not impossible, that a wolf would take a different stance on her companions - it would be wise indeed, but...

But what's really unnerving, is her talk about Kitanna:
I can't make up my mind whether I trust or distrust her. Basically, in my mind, if I think you're guilty, I don't worry, and if I think you're innocent, I dont' worry. I've got you placed. It's when I'm unsure that I look closer. I'm unsure of Kitanna.
This is some weird stuff! Could really be a wolf addressing another with some jesting and then leaving it innocent-looking enough?

Her only open suspicion was on Morm, whom she voted also...

[Firefoot]

First choice for a case was Diamond.

Her initial post can be read equally well as an innocent or wolf; however, given what we have seen so far from the wolves’ playing styles, it is entirely possible that she is a wolf. She sort of hints at it in a “well, I could be a wolf” sort of way – something we have already seen. She also states that she would be a good choice for the wolves during the night.

Post 36:

Everyone seems equal parts suspicious and innocent.

A wolf’s neutrality or an innocent’s unsureness?

I am paralyzed with the fear that whatever I do will cast suspicion.

Because she’s a wolf?

Post 63:

Her vote for Nogrod was, I think, genuinely in haste and would have been safe for her whether she is guilty or innocent.

Post 91

She seems extremely concerned that she may have ticked off Nogrod. In addition to this, she frequently repeats the idea that she could be killed by wolves if he is a wolf.

She sort of goes back and forth on Jenny in a non-committal sort of way.

Here’s something interesting. She never actually lists Fea in her analysis, but clumps her in with Kuru. She comments that some of their activities were suspicious, but never draws any real conclusions about them – rather, we have a “I don’t know why I’m even trying to figure this out” sort of comment. Hm…

She doesn’t seem to draw any conclusions about anyone else, although lots of people are “interesting.” Another Hm…

Post 104

She says that she is inclined to think that Fea’s jumping on Kuru was a wolf going for an innocent – trying to protect her fellow wolf?

Post 110

She agrees with my point about not putting too much thought into words. I could see this at face value or as a wolf taking others’ words to cast their weight onto suspicions.

Post 114

This post definitely seems to speak for Diamond’s innocence. It seems more genuine than her other posts and is more difficult to read as a wolf’s posting.

Post 130

This is where she lists the possibilities for Boro’s seer claim. Could this be some kind of attempt to protect her fellow wolf by getting people to suspect Boro?

Post 134

She does vote for Kuru, perhaps seeing the hopelessness of the other options. If she’s a wolf, I don’t see how she would have much of a chance if she had done otherwise.

Post 146

All of a sudden she decides that Jenny, whom she had been suspicious of for a while, is probably innocent, and I, whom she had been trusting, is probably guilty. Granted, she did have some more information to go off of, but she does not provide a lot of reasoning for this except that she has looked at Fea’s and Kuru’s posts. This complete switch does strike me as slightly odd. She also indicates her thinking that Nogrod is probably innocent, but this doesn’t seriously contradict anything she had previously said.

Post 148

Now she’s allowing for the possibility of Nogrod’s wolvishness again.

Post 162

What really caught my eye was that in her accusation of me she seems to have paid no mind to defenses I had posted to those same points. The rest of her analysis does seem straightforward and reasonable, however if she were a wolf, of course it would be because she would know all of those people are actually innocent.

Post 165

While she says that her Sunday Edit was mostly last minute, she still does sort of cling to it and my reaction. This is seeming rather desperate.

Final reaction: Diamond has certainly moved up on my suspicion list. Although I did this primarily in the Devil’s Advocate state of mind, some of these arguments are really beginning to make some sense. I won’t vote for her until I’ve looked closer at some other people, though. Especially Kitanna - other people's arguments are making some sense, so I would like to have a look for myself.

[Nogrod]

I've been doing a lot of thinking and perusing, but unfortunately no one is jumping out at me yet. Right now our numbers are both helping us and hurting us - helping because the more of us there are, the more time we have, but hurting because our odds for catching a wolf are not exactly good. A wolf is going to have a fairly easy time hiding here.


Well, I agree, that this is our dilemma now!

After the best possible start we find ourselves in the direst of problem: too many to suspect, too many chances to kill innocents. And one wolf hides much more easily than two... I would like us to get the wolf done away with, by as few innocent deaths as possible. That's a kind of measure for success. So let's keep our minds calm and think carefully - and hope that Gil-kind of guys do not be the ones to turn the tide on voting...

I will be here quite erratically today (gametime) as I have too much work to do, but I'll try to read everything, bit by bit during some pauses, and to come up with a grounded vote before the voting time ends.

[Nogrod]

Diamond #91

Kuru
His first post made me think he was supposed to be Barney Fife, as it seemed a fairly good Don Knotts impersonation. But that’s neither here nor there, and anyway, I don’t think Dep. Fife was ex-CID. As far as werewolfishness goes, well, Fea did jump on him right away. That’s pretty suspicious, considering her true identity. She retracted it soon after, but the whole cheeky “I heart you Kuruharan” -- hiiiighly suspicious. Though everyone keeps saying she plays the game the same way whether wolf or no, so why am I even bothering trying to figure anything out that way....

I might agree with Firefoot on this. It seems very odd analysis indeed... (she didn't use any of that much space to total foolishness in the beginning of the analysis on anyone else but Kuru.... to hide the lack of substance that is of course demanding when you are a wolf describing another one?)

And Valar forbid, that as I seem to be trusting Firefoot even more and more, that she really is the innocent villager I think she is... Well, one has to choose sometimes.

[Firefoot]

After looking at Kitanna's posts, I am rather torn. Some good arguments are made, but I'm not really sure that they stand up. Her early and fairly confident suspicions of Kuru are quite uncanny and disturbing to me. This more than anything else speaks as a wolf covering her tracks rather than a dead-on innocent.

I think that this quote of Fea's was misunderstood:I can't make up my mind whether I trust or distrust her. Basically, in my mind, if I think you're guilty, I don't worry, and if I think you're innocent, I dont' worry. I've got you placed. It's when I'm unsure that I look closer. I'm unsure of Kitanna. The whole part that I bolded goes together, sort of an aside from the analysis of Kitanna to explain some things. She isn't talking specifically about Kitanna in any of the bolded part. Her only open suspicion was on Morm, whom she voted also... I noticed this also, and was intending to go back and look closer at Morm as well. Morm is one of those people that I have a bad habit of being inclined to trust right off the bat, which is definitely a bad thing. So I want to look at him closer.And Valar forbid, that as I seem to be trusting Firefoot even more and more, that she really is the innocent villager I think she is... Well, one has to choose sometimes. I might say the same of you, Nogrod...

[Nogrod]

I agree with you Firefoot.

Kitanna does look suspicious, and Morm, because of his seeming innocentness (and Boro's open backing) would need a closer look. And there's something in Diamond too, as you pointed out.

And this is just our plague right now: there's only one wolf within us, and we start to suspect all around us - and feel guilty to trust anyone...

Still I just believe you two (Firefoot & Morm) innocent. Maybe that's a bad sign, but both of you can't be wolves! :D

Good night, everyone! :)

[Firefoot]

Points of interest about Morm (not enough time/slightly too lazy to do a complete synopsis):

Originally Posted by Firefoot
The problem with retractable votes is people are so eager to get votes out there you can't tell if they're completely serious or just trying to put them out there.

True but know that I am.

Originally Posted by Firefoot
I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.
Yes they would. Morm would almost seem to be arguing his own wolvishness here.

Post 57 - His extreme defensiveness to Nogrod's accusations certainly catch the eye.

Post 66 - He's the one to point out the "Fea's a wolf" statement. Now, this would seem audacious for a wolf, but given his earlier "Yes they would" statement...

Post 77 - Changes his vote to Fea. See above.

Posts 139-40 - He goes back to his more typical, reasonable tone of posting. The switch more than anything catches the eye.
Fea:
I'm too uncertain of Nogrod's guilt for Morm's insistence to sit right. Please forgive me if I'm voting against an innocent or, Mith Forbid, a seer. This is interesting - it would be a clever way of putting it if Morm were a wolf. She votes for him, but she puts emphasis on the point that he could be innocent or even the seer. Sort of a "I'm not convinced of this so you shouldn't vote for Morm."

Also of note from Fea's post is how closely she intertwines Morm and Nogrod, as if the two are inextricably related. In fact, her post would seem to point towards Nogrod's guilt - this time in a "I sort of suspect him, but don't focus on him" sort of way.

Now perhaps you all see why I said take care in looking at Fea's posts? She is undoubtedly laughing at all this right now because you can't take any straight meaning out of them.

[Diamond18]

A lot of new posts since I last checked -- lot to read up on. But I'll address this one first:

Here’s something interesting. She never actually lists Fea in her analysis,

That's because Fea was dead when I wrote it.

What really caught my eye was that in her accusation of me she seems to have paid no mind to defenses I had posted to those same points.

I was keeping in mind that a wolf would of course defend herself, so tell-tale posts by others have a more concrete standing in my mind. For instance, Kuru-wolf seemed to be rather insulted that Boro was using Fea's post to finger him, and defended himself quite logically. In the end, Kuru was a wolf. Could be the same thing happening here? You defend yourself reasonably, but so did he. I believed him until Boro said "I'm the seer you idiots!" (to paraphrase ;) ) so I am quite leery of trusting anyone's self-defenses again. Which, of course, if I were not me, includes my own.

While she says that her Sunday Edit was mostly last minute, she still does sort of cling to it and my reaction. This is seeming rather desperate.

While I was thinking the same thing about your post... I just thought you seemed to latch onto that one observation (which I allowed to be coincedence) in my whole post in a rather upset fashion. Everyone here is a big kid with a mind of their own, so I don't think you have to worry so much about everyone saying, "Gee, Diamond, you're right, that's conclusive!" Ergo, when you call me out on it right away, I have to naturally wonder; is it just knee-jerk innocent defensiveness? (which it could be) Or is it a wolf looking for one thing to harp on as "absurd" so that everyone says, "You're right, Firefoot, Diamond is clearly desperate and illogical!"?

Especially Kitanna - other people's arguments are making some sense, so I would like to have a look for myself.

Kitanna is high on my list as well... basically from being unable to come to any conclusion about her. We could be sharing a mindset here... or you could, wolfishly, have sniffed out a weak member. You could be raising other people's suspicions about me and trying to direct my suspicions onto Kitanna. My lack of decisiveness about Kitanna might allow me to be easily led where she is concerned. It would certainly be a smart thing to do, were you a wolf.

Which reminds me:

Your other reasons against Firefoot have some merit, but come on now, picking on her for a post she made hours before Boromir's death is just a shot below the waist. I'm sure most of us made posts on one thread or another during the night so that shouldn't have any bearing in what we're trying to do here.

"Picking on her"? "Shot below the waist"? What is this, kindergarten? I'm just taking everything into account, from the vaguely suspicious to the definitely suspicious. I simply noted that Firefoot and Mithalwen's posts were back to back within this forum (which they were before I posted and bumped this thread to the top of the page) which could, possibly, indicate that Mithalwen was waiting on Firefoot to be able to make her post. Mithalwen's haste certainly does indicate that she was waiting on someone and didn't get a chance to write her post until she had little time left to do so.

Am I saything this conclusively declares Firefoot guilty? No. This could mean absolutely nothing. 99% of what we discuss about each other could mean absolutely nothing. But for some reason, my observartion was "a shot below the waist". Okay. This rather reminds me of the lynch-mob surrounding Nogrod on the first day, when the number 1 reason for killing him was because he was being "mean" to the quieter players.

(re: my #91 post) ... I might agree with Firefoot on this. It seems very odd analysis indeed... (she didn't use any of that much space to total foolishness in the beginning of the analysis on anyone else but Kuru.... to hide the lack of substance that is of course demanding when you are a wolf describing another one?)

This is easy to explain. Kuru and I are friends on the board outside this game. We've been friends for a while, originating in our shared participation in the Revenge/Reunification of the Entish Bow RPGs. I also invited him to play this game, via PM, when sign-up was slow and we needed more numbers among us to begin. Ergo, my initial outlook on Kuru was friendly, though I knew he could be a wolf, as could everyone.

I would ask that you not read too much into this fact, because my friendship with Kuru outside of the game is completely unrelated to the roles Mithalwen gave us inside the game.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I have just gotten in, and I am a bit worried because I will have to vote in an hour or so (as I will be in school tomorrow until well after the end of the day), and I have absoloutely nothing to go on. The wolf's move last night was completely predictable, and leaves a lot of room for speculation.

I am leaning toward Morm's and Norgod's innocence just because neither of them has recently done anything to make me suspicious of them (I consider first day antics to be well behind us now).

Which leaves only Firefoot on my list of suspects. She would be dangerous as a wolf--she's certainly clever and sneaky enough to elude us. However, on that note, I do not think it is fair to go around behind her back and look at posting times on other threads. This is why it's such a big deal that everyone, innocent or guilty, sets themselves as "invisible" in their options panel. I don't think that anything that goes on outside this thread should have any bearing at all on what goes on inside the game. I am often on at odd times, frequently during the Night, just because of my school schedule and timezone. I'm innocent...but should someone use that against me in an attempt to prove my guilt? One of the key elements of this game is that we don't know what goes on at night. That should apply to analyzing other threads for times of posts, too.

[JennyHallu]

I agree that activity during the Night is not at all a good measure of innocence or guilt. I'm online at all hours of both Days and Nights...

But, and especially after some of the excellent analyses that have been done today, I really don't think that Firefoot seems wolvish. Boro's suspicion was based on speculation, unlike his dreams of Fea and Kuru. They really don't carry any more weight, in my eyes, than any of the analyses we have done today.

Firefoot has been consistent and clear, and has come across as very helpful to this village.

There have been good points made about Diamond, but I'm willing to put some of her inconsistencies to the fact that she's new to the game. I think we should keep a close eye on her, but she is not my main suspect.

Kitanna also seems suspicious. So far, I think it is her that I will vote for at the end of the day.

Except for a nagging worry that we have 4 fairly quiet villagers here, and I really don't know what to think of them. Azaelia, you're one of them, but I'm not really as worried about you. You have been very upfront about your time limitations, and you have tried very hard to give clear and thorough reasoning behind each of your votes.

Gil-Galad is...well...Gil-Galad. But I'm inclined to believe he's innocent, due to the timing of his vote for Kuru. Granted, it's Gil, but I think a wolvish Gil wouldn't have voted for a fellow wolf there.

Oddwen has not really posted enough for me to feel comfortable classing her in any direction.

Morm has really surprised me with his quietness in this village. His posts have seemed substantive, but he has seemed content to mostly observe the village, and I don't think I've gotten a firm hold on his views on the rest of us.

That's all I've got right now, but I thought you might enjoy not being alone in the village ;)

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I've been reviewing the thread but have not come up with much anything new at all, but now it is time for me to vote. I am sorry for the lack of real support behind this, but an early vote is rarely a good vote. I am more often than not wrong, so please kindly take this vote with a grain of salt. It's difficult for me to vote this early because there's hardly an inkling of a direction that people are going to take this Day so far. I actually have a feeling that votes are going to be pretty all over the place, I've heard so many names mentioned: Firefoot, Kitanna, Morm...Even my own has appeared on various lists.

However, I am going to go back on my previous post because I realized, while reading over my list made yesterDay, that one name sprang out at me.

++Oddwen

I realize this may seem out of the blue for many of you, but I am just completely bemused by her behavior. Voting for Firefoot just didn't feel right, so on further review, I remembered how confused I was by Oddwen's behavior yesterDay--By the time of her vote, Kuru's fate was sealed, and pretty much everyone was sure he was a wolf and that Boro was the seer (which turned out to be just that case). But then she comes in with a poorly-explained vote for Morm in post #152. She points out that Norgod might be innocent, using one of Fea's posts and logic to back that up, but then says that because of this Morm is suspicious, and moves on to vote for him. I don't know how to explain it but that entire post was one big red flag to me. Sure, Morm is dangerous if he's a wolf, but nothing he's done so far has seemed that suspicious to me.

So I chose Oddwen today, for better or for worse. I'm not really trying to get a bandwaggon rolling, or anything. I'm just bringing up another name that I think merits looking at. Please take into account, when disagreeing with me (it's bound to happen), that I write this at a disadvantage: I don't get to watch everyone else's behavior for the remainder of the day and choose that way. I just have to follow my (frequently-wrong) instincts. So yeah. Enough of this rambling, it's my bedtime, I've had a busy day, I'm tired, and I have a feeling that I'm getting less coherent. I have an early wake-up tomorrow to get to school. So supposing I'm not wolf bait tonight, I'll see you the next Day. :)

ETA: Jenny, thanks for the vote of confidence: Time constraints are hard, so I try to be thorough when I get the chance to log on. ;)

[Gil-Galad]

i have returned but i am very tired so alas i must abstain my vote again this round till tomorrow if i am still alive, hopefully we get the wolf tonight

[JennyHallu]

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This is getting kind of creepy. This is not participation. If you hope we get a wolf, Gil, why don't you even pretend to try to help?

[Oddwen]

I would ask Oddwen to explain her vote for me. I dont' mind being voted for but I wonder why she would vote for me yesterday when we knew whom a wolf was.
It was because I was assured of Kuruwolf's death, and I was thinking that we had an extra half-day to find the third wolf, and I was thinking that Morm was my most likely candidate...but gee, voting for him was a bit strange. *scratches head*

And as of yet, nothing from he.

*sigh* time's running out, more in the morning.

[Firefoot]

Well, I had meant to post again, but my computer started spazzing out about two hours ago and has only just now let me access the Downs again, and now it's time for me to go to bed. So I will say my thoughts very much in brief.That's because Fea was dead when I wrote it. I do want to apologize for this - I was only paying attention to your posts, not the Days.I would ask that you not read too much into this fact, because my friendship with Kuru outside of the game is completely unrelated to the roles Mithalwen gave us inside the game. But my posting in another thread is? At least that accusation had basis in the game thread... :rolleyes:

As for overall suspicions, I'm about here:

Most suspicion:

Diamond
Kitanna

Medium suspicion:

Mormegil
Jenny (because I really haven't paid much attention to her... I should probably do that. But it won't happen toDay - no time...)

Probably innocent:

Azaelia
Nogrod

Not sure:

Oddwen (not so annoying)
Gil-Galad (extremely annoying)

Right now, I'm not quite sure where my vote is going. I'm not really comfortable with a vote for either Kitanna or Diamond, so it may bump down to Morm. And if I don't like any of those it will be either Oddwen or Gil. I'll be back in seven or eight hours to vote - I'll make my final decision then.

[mormegil]

i have returned but i am very tired so alas i must abstain my vote again this round till tomorrow if i am still alive, hopefully we get the wolf tonight

I do not care what is seen of my vote but I cannot tolerate this as a matter of principle. If he's a wolf great, if not at least we are rid of the problem. Possibly we could orchestrate a double lynching.

++Gil-Galad

My other top suspects are:

Oddwen
Kitanna
Diamond18

FYI I do not intend on changing my vote unless I am convinced that somebody is a wolf. As it stands we can get our psuedo-cobbler out of the way. (please note I realize that we don't actually have a cobbler but Gil does such a good job of it)

[mormegil]

First person to speak up accuses me right off the bat. Why am I not surprised it's Boromir? He was the first to express a desire to kill, before this black day even started. A sure sign of unnatural, beastly blood lust.

But does this mean he's a werewolf? Does his seeming obsession with Wile E. Coyote indicate a certain proclivity for doggishness, stemming from his wolfish true nature? Who can say? He might just be your average male.

Here's some food for thought: if I am killed in the night, it might either be Boro or someone trying to look like Boro. Or Boro trying to look like someone trying to look like Boro. Which means, in essence, any logic behind my death will be canceled out. Which means, I'm an easy kill -- when I die you'll be too busy trying to figure out the logic behind it to see other, clearer hints that point toward the wolves.

In essence, you should not lynch me today because I am the perfect ambiguous kill for the werewolves in the night. Maybe not this night, but eventually, mark my words. If you lynch me in hopes that the wolves will pick another victim, you'll be hanging an innocent on purpose and that's just nasty.

If you think I'm a wolf, well, there's really no evidence for or against at this point, so all you have is a guess.

But wouldn't you rather wait to see who the wolves kill first? Boro or me?

I'm not exactly advocating that you not lynch Boro. I realize that standing up for any fellow villager casts pack suspicion on me. Of course, since I know that, would I as a werewolf endanger myself so? Or would I do it on purpose in the assurance that you'll think I couldn't possibly be that stupid? There is no sure answer. So if I say, "Don't lynch me or Boro today," I leave it to you guess whether it's due to the above stated reasons or secret werewolf plotting. Though, if you'd like my opinion, if I were a werewolf I'd find the whole "They won't think I'd do the obvious" scheme to be a little too cheeky. Mainly, I'm just trying save my own derriere by convincing you I'm too interesting to kill.

Diamond I questioned you once on this exact post and you have yet to answer, so I pose the question a second time. Why did you post this? It makes very little sense to me and seems to me that you are very nervous, and those who would be the most nervous are the wolves or the seer. I bolded a couple of parts that were really odd, however the whole post is exremely odd. I realize it was an opening post but it struck me as suspicious.


Morm has really surprised me with his quietness in this village. His posts have seemed substantive, but he has seemed content to mostly observe the village, and I don't think I've gotten a firm hold on his views on the rest of us.

This seems to be a growing problem for me. Lately, the past couple of months, I have been busier than normal and therefore able to post less frequently and its interesting for me to change the style of play. Rarely have I been accused of being quiet so it's always interesting.

Back on track, I find Firefoot as innocent as any that I think innocent. Kitanna I just can't put a finger on, Fea's 'analysis' of her strikes me as her being guilty but she's posted well enough for me to think her innocent. For now I will give her the benefit of the doubt.

I have a proposal to our despotic ruler ;) give us two votes each today, granted that we all agree to vote Gil as one of them, that way you can take out the two highest vote recipients and rid us of this annoyance.

Edit: Jenny I just looked and currently I have the fourth highest post count...that's quiet? I wonder why you would think that of me. It actually raises my suspicion of you somewhat.

[Diamond18]

But my posting in another thread is? At least that accusation had basis in the game thread... :rolleyes:

Note I said "I ask". He can think whatever he likes, use whatever info he likes, from wherever he likes. It's not going to bother me if he uses my friendly behavior toward Kuru as a factor, but since it does actually have an explanation, I thought I'd give it. You, on the other hand, got in a bit of a dudgeon (thanks for the WotD, Jenny) that I would dare insinuate such a thing as I pointed out might mean something. There's a difference.

Diamond I questioned you once on this exact post and you have yet to answer, so I pose the question a second time. Why did you post this?

Errrr... sorry, Morm, I don't remember you asking. ??? Oh well, I'm not actually sure how to answer it, but I'll try....

It makes very little sense to me and seems to me that you are very nervous, and those who would be the most nervous are the wolves or the seer. I bolded a couple of parts that were really odd, however the whole post is exremely odd. I realize it was an opening post but it struck me as suspicious.

I guess I thought people would remember that there was banter in the admin. thread about Boromir 'not playing nice' and also lynching me and someone else 'in a nice way'. I had some banter back about 'not if I kill you first'. When Boro fingered me, albeit jokingly, in his first post, it was a continuation of banter from the admin thread. Since I thought other people might have made note of it, I thought you'd take it into consideration should one of us be killed. We'd pretty much stated our intent to kill each other before the game even started.

As far as it being extremely odd, well, I guess that means either,

A: I'm a wolf, because wolves act odd... that's a rule, I guess?
B: I'm extremely odd
C: I'm inexperieced and too stupid to live. (I'll help you with the lynching if that's the case.)

Anyway, I'm just about for bed, now. I've been debating whether or not to cast a vote before doing that. Because while I can get up in time to read and post tomorrow before work, that only assumes that no one else will be using the computer, and my mother sort of considers that time of day hers for the computer. And if she's using it there's no possible way I could explain that I need it for an hour or so to read and post in a game.

So, just in case I can't get on in time, I'll vote now. This day has pretty much been egg beaters for the mind, and I'm not at all sure of anything at this point. But as I started out with a strong suspicion of Firefoot I'll stick with it. People describe her posts as consistent and logical... and sure they are... but what I fail to see is why a wolf can't be consistent and logical. I don't think it's going to matter, anyway, since I don't think anyone else intends to vote for her.

+ + Firefoot

Maybe I'll change if I get on tomorrow. But I doubt it. Gil's been pretty much a non-factor but I don't feel comfortable with the idea of voting a likely villager off, and his being absent during the time when Boro was killed makes me think him a likely villager. The only reasons I can think of to change at this point is if the wolf slips up in some magnificent way, or if four people vote for me, in which case I'd rather commit suicide than allow myself to be killed by you all in such an ignominous fashion. :rolleyes: But it doesn't look like that many people are intending to vote for me, at this point. So in all likelihood my vote stands.

[Firefoot]

Half of me wants to vote for Diamond, the other half isn't sure.

A lot of me wants to vote for Gil, but I don't exactly think he's a wolf. I just want him out of here.

I'm tempted to vote for Kitanna - there are definitely some incongruities about her.

I don't really want to vote for Morm.

I'm not comfortable voting for Oddwen.

In light of this...

++Diamond

[Mithalwen]

I have a proposal to our despotic ruler ;) give us two votes each today, granted that we all agree to vote Gil as one of them, that way you can take out the two highest vote recipients and rid us of this annoyance.



Think carefully before you ask such things.

On reflection, including Gil-Galad in a game could be seen as a triumph of hope over experience. I am in a difficult situation since while I consider his participation inadequate it is not non-existant. I did ask that for such a small and short game people only signed up if they knew they had no prior commitments, so I do find this irritating. Clearly noone does read my instructions but I did state that if I found it necessary I would take action appropriately. And I will but I don't think that moment has arrived. If a substantial proportion of you disagreee let me know.

For today you have one vote each - use them wisely.

[JennyHallu]

Sorry...I slept. I'll try to answer your question, Morm:
Edit: Jenny I just looked and currently I have the fourth highest post count...that's quiet? I wonder why you would think that of me. It actually raises my suspicion of you somewhat.

Honestly, I do not keep track of post count. That's why I'm always a little startled when someone points out I'm at the top of that list. Also, a high post count could always mean that you're pulling a Lommy and quadruple posting. ;)

What has confused me about you is that you seem to be sitting somewhat to the side of the discussion through the day. You aren't on often, but post (often double-posting) often in that time. You bring up specific points against those you suspect, but not all those you suspect (what's your reasoning behind your suspicion of Oddwen?)

You also do not respond to arguments made by those you trust. I don't mean arguments against you, but general discussion.

Also, your determination to get Gil kicked out of the game is a little odd. If you had evidence to show you felt him wolvish, I would understand, but otherwise I don't see any harm in letting him be. He's annoying, but that's it. I don't want to decrease our lead against the wolf except for a good reason.

EDIT: I also never claimed you felt wolvish, Morm, you just...I can't peg you.

[mormegil]

Also, your determination to get Gil kicked out of the game is a little odd. If you had evidence to show you felt him wolvish, I would understand, but otherwise I don't see any harm in letting him be. He's annoying, but that's it. I don't want to decrease our lead against the wolf except for a good reason.

Two reasons which I already gave.

1. The principle of it.
2. He's an enigma right now and many of us a speaking a lot about him. So eliminating that would help to clear up our discussions.

(what's your reasoning behind your suspicion of Oddwen?)

She has acted strangely. Her vote for me yesterday was extremely odd. She has been very quiet, which is unnerving to me. The way in which Fea spoke of her was exactly what I was looking for to identify another wolf. What I mean by that is Fea would cast some light suspicion on her fellow wolves, so as to not arouse our suspicion if she were to die. That's one of the reasons I have less suspicion over Firefoot, Fea somewhat defended her.

[JennyHallu]

That's reasonable...but I'm not sure I agree. I think the remaining wolf wouldn't have called attention to him/herself by voting outside a seer-based bandwaggon like Oddwen did. It was odd. I'm not sure if it was wolvish.

I'm in a bit of a fix. My top suspect right now is Kitanna...but I don't want to spread the vote out too terribly far in such a small village. I think I'll wait and see if anything interesting happens before voting.

Where does voting stand right now?

I know there are votes for:

Firefoot
Diamond18
Oddwen
Gil-Galad

Among these, I most suspect Diamond, but I have no confidence in that. Her vote for Firefoot casts her in an odd light. It seems a bit of an about-face on her earlier position. I will probably vote for her, rather than open yet another can of worms by voting for Kitanna, but I think I will wait for Nogrod and Kitanna to appear in the village.

[Kitanna]

Eek, I'm sorry, I had planned to get on yesterday to voice my concerns about some people, but every time I sat down someone would call or I'd have to study and even now I don't have that much time to say what I want. So, I'm going to be brief.

I see most people have placed Diamond, Firefoot, Morm, and myself on their suspect list. For me I suspect Diamond the most. I also have some suspicions of Oddwen and I see I'm not alone.

Morm really seems to be going for Gil and though it seems odd after I read his latest post I'm not sure I blame him. I thought about voting for Gil out of sheer annoyance, but I'm not sure that's the best use of my vote.

Now my biggest reason to suspect Oddwen is yesterday's vote for morm. She gave a reason today.
It was because I was assured of Kuruwolf's death, and I was thinking that we had an extra half-day to find the third wolf, and I was thinking that Morm was my most likely candidate...but gee, voting for him was a bit strange. *scratches head*
So, pretty much, she knew Kuru was going to die and she wanted to get a head start on her suspicion of morm, even though she knew her vote wouldn't count. I'm not entirely sure how to take that. It's all very fishy.

Diamond doesn't sit right with me because she always seems so overly defensive. Eh, maybe that's just me. She has made quite the case against Firefoot today. I don't know how that whole scenario will play out today, so I want to wait and see how voting goes. So, I don't think I shall be voting for Firefoot or Diamond.

That leaves me with Oddwen from my top suspect list.

++Oddwen
Oddwen has been an engima for most of this game. She's popped in and been more helpful than Gil, but she leaves a lot of room for suspicion.

[JennyHallu]

She has made quite the case against Firefoot today.

That's just it...she hasn't. Her posts have been one long defensive diatribe after another. She really hasn't made any case against her at all except for a statement Firefoot made yesterDay about not reading too much into Fea's posts. Kitanna, I'm still a little leery of you, but I think I've made my decision (for now):

++Diamond18

[Oddwen]

'Kay, this isn't going to be much "more" I fear - stupid clock. :mad:

People that I'm inclined to believe are innocent -

Jenny - she's been very levelheaded, even when celebrating (;)),

Gil - yeah, I know he's practically nonexistent. But if he isn't a wolf, then he's innocent and he's a buffer.

Diamond - being as this is her first game, and she's not read any game but the first, she's not acting as a first-time Werewolf would act, I think. More along the lines of an ignorant innocent.

People I see as suspicious -

Kitanna - her vote for me seems too much of a "safe" vote, because it's not the first.

Nogrod - too much "I trust you Firefoot" or "I agree with Firefoot" - is he trying to latch onto a prominent innocent? Also - he seems too enthusiastic. Not "I'm so wrapped up in this game gotta lynch a wolf!" enthusiastic just...almost thrashing about?

I have to leave for work now. I can only pray this hasty vote goes not amiss -

++NOGROD

[JennyHallu]

OK, now I begin to see what you guys were worried about. But I'm afraid the oddity of Oddwen makes me think her less and less of a wolf. I understand her haste, but you think a wolf would notice that she was tied for a lynching. Nogrod, I'd like to see what you have to say concerning Oddwen or Diamond. Are you lurking?

EDIT: Also, eventually someone has to vote for someone second, Oddwen. We can't end up with one vote each and Our Fearless Leader forced to close her eyes and randomly pick.

[Nogrod]

This is getting quite interesting, I must say!

Just some notes here. I'lll be back and hang around during the last hour or so (try to read some papers in between now and then).

Diamond has shown the persuasiveness of a rational argumentation. I almost took her as the believably innocent, before I got to think about her own argument against Firefoot (why souldn't wolves be rational and consistent?). So now: I don't know.

Oddwen I would still suspect a bit: the odd vote could be seen as a call for discussion, but it's not very neat call! Couldn't she have just asked Morm some questions? I admit seeing a parallel with my own Morm-vote the first day, but that I know, was done with some frustration and first day nausea for that frequent attacking on me.

Kitanna still is the only one I have even a shabby theory about. So confident at first with a couple of able wolves beside her, going around quite wolvishly, arousing wolf-on-wolf attacks twice (me & Morm, Morm & Jenny), wanting not to vote for Gil (that's the wolf's choice at the first day. and others too) etc. Then when Fea dies and as Kuru gets himself in tightening situation, she changes her style of playing and goes for Kuru (she did the safe vote on day one?). Being the most lovable towards picked innocents - seeing Jenny's innocence in her cry for Fea etc.

Not a good case, but only one I can offer by now. What do you others (Kitanna included) think? Without better ideas I might vote for this.

Gil we should spare now, as Mith seems to be earnest about doing something to him as a goddess. Although, if we don't have any better ideas than these we already have, we still risk lynching an innocent, and then that one could better be Gil than anuone really playing, and innocent?

And Oddwen: Nice to hear to be accused of being enthusiastic! At least I am not confused with Gil... :D

But what you say about me "clinging" to the most innocent, I must come forwards with you. I think she really isn't so innocent by many here - and I just hope (and somewhat trust) her innocent: she would be a terrible wolf indeed. But at some point you will need to trust someone, and if that one trusts you, all the better. If you just suspect everyone and let everyone suspect you, it gets too messy and schitzoprhenic!

[Nogrod]

I hope everyone has noted that the deadline today is already 6.30 GMT!

[Nogrod]

Triple-posting...

The votes right now.

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Gil 1 (Morm)
Firefoot 1 (Diamond)
Diamond 2 (Firefoot, Jenny)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)

Something has to change, because we can't afford a double-lynch (at least without Gil as the second one)!

I have my vote still, but as I was thinking about Kitanna in the first place, I'll have reconsider. And happily you others too can make some extra-thinking before the end of the day.

[mormegil]

Something has to change, because we can't afford a double-lynch (at least without Gil as the second one)!


Quite right!

--Gil-Galad though I do so ruefully

++Diamond18

she still isn't sitting right with me.

[Diamond18]

I really wanted to be able to deal the death blow to myself (5th vote) but as this might be the last time I'm on before 12:30, I'll have to settle with the 4th.

- - Firefoot

+ + Diamond

:rolleyes:

[JennyHallu]

Um...that was odd...

Complete abandonment of defense?

[Nogrod]

Must be either:
a) sarcastic wolf saying good bye with a wink?
b) a very witty wolf trying to save herself with sacrifice (hoping we would change our votes to save her for her "courage")?
c) someone wishing to quit the play / being annoyed about it?

I don't like this self vote at all. You can understand them in games where an ordo tries to save a gifted (someone s/he believes is one) in a tight situation. But here it just makes me kind of suspecting this all as a masquerade - although she mentioned about her wish to kill herself earlier...

Baffling.

EDIT: d) a grand plan of a suicidal wolf? :p

[Diamond18]

I've just gotten a bit tired of reading the same assesment of myself over and over. It seems I'm either a wolf or a stupid villager (exact words have been ignorant and inexperienced, but a rose by any other name...) and since I'm most definitely not a wolf, well, you get the picture! And people are surprised that I get defensive about this. Ha!

Mainly, I would be having more fun if I were a wolf. At this point, I look forward to whatever death Mith writes up for me.

[Mithalwen]

NB Double lynchings are not automatic per rules.

[JennyHallu]

I'm not sure what to do. Diamond's vote baffles me. I thought she was a likely wolf, but now I'm just not sure. If she's not, then my top suspects are Kitanna, followed by maybe Oddwen.

[Nogrod]

If Diamond is innocent, I do understand her anguish (but not perhaps her deed). I have also wondered about how often she has been named ignorant, inexperienced etc. just a short while ago the last time. I think she has made a couple of very logical and well thought of posts (especially answering Firefoot's suspicions) and many reasonable ones as well. But maybe it's because I myself am also very inexperienced too?

So this I think raises also an ethical as well as tactical point: should we save her (we risk losing a reasonable villager) or does she even like to be saved? And then there is this possible wolf-issue: a clever wolf would try that kind of thing - but I thought her situation was not that desperate yet (even though a time-zone issue might explain it).

If you think we lynch Diamond, then I think we should consider of taking Gil with her - although I don't kind of like the idea of shortening our lead in numbers to the wolf (as Jenny put it) at this point anymore. Well here we see the ever arising pressure of those "submarines" I talked about the first day...

Any ideas?

EDIT / EDIT2: X-posted with Mith about double-lynchings. We really should consider the realistic possibility, that double lynchings are out, and Mith decides in a case of a draw...

[JennyHallu]

I am torn between leaving it as it is, and trying to switch the kill to Oddwen. (We two could do that, and she has also garnered a lot of uncertainty in the village...)

I don't think we should lynch anyone (i.e. Gil) whom we don't think is likely to be a wolf. We'll leave that issue up to our Mod.

[Nogrod]

I am torn between leaving it as it is, and trying to switch the kill to Oddwen. (We two could do that, and she has also garnered a lot of uncertainty in the village...)

You are probably right. But I'm a bit hasty with that too. Oddwen's voting record is just baffling:

Yesterday: Voting for Morm in a situation, where everything was "clear" - there were enough votes for the lynch to go on. Maybe getting headway to the next suspicion, as Morm (?, or someone?) suggested - but very confusing: why should a wolf be so open and suspicious?

Today: By her voting-time she had two votes as had Diamond. Now she didn't go on voting Diamond to try to help herself, but went on me. A self-assured wolf or what?

[Nogrod]

The votes right now.

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 4 (Firefoot, Jenny, Morm, Diamond)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)

[JennyHallu]

I am wondering whether either Diamond or Oddwen are wolves at all...

But I'm leaning towards leaving things as they are. Oddwen has almost been a second Gil (with the exception that I think she has been reading the game), and the impression I've gotten from her votes has been odd, but innocent. I like to think a wolf would be more careful. Kitanna's the one I'm truly worried about, and we two between us do not have the power to lynch her.

A difficult and confusing situation...

[JennyHallu]

I think in the long run I need to vote where I hold most suspicion. I have not been entirely comfortable with my vote for Diamond from the start, but I didn't want to widen the group of people with votes.

This is probably not going to make any difference, and I'm ok with that. Diamond hasn't sat quite right with me, but Kitanna is more worrisome at the moment.

--Diamond

++Kitanna

[Nogrod]

I am wondering whether either Diamond or Oddwen are wolves at all...

But I'm leaning towards leaving things as they are. Oddwen has almost been a second Gil (with the exception that I think she has been reading the game), and the impression I've gotten from her votes has been odd, but innocent. I like to think a wolf would be more careful. Kitanna's the one I'm truly worried about, and we two between us do not have the power to lynch her.

A difficult and confusing situation...

You are most right - or at least you think along the lines I do: which doesn't make it right though, but something I understand... as you remember me voicing my concern on Kitanna as my only "suspect with a theory" so far, even though I admit it's a bad one.

Well. Any vote at this moment will be looked at as a safe vote, so why not...

++ Kitanna

Just don't want to be the one to bang the last nail into Diamond's coffin anyhow.

[Nogrod]

The votes right now.

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 4 (Firefoot, Jenny, Morm, Diamond)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)
Kitanna 2 (Jenny, Nogrod)

EDIT: THIS IS A WRONG COUNT: see below!
(I really shouldn't be doing even elementary maths... :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

I think in the long run I need to vote where I hold most suspicion. I have not been entirely comfortable with my vote for Diamond from the start, but I didn't want to widen the group of people with votes.


Although, I don't quite get the meaning of this bolded one? Why did you have to vote at that time in the first place?

[JennyHallu]

I voted because we have retractable votes, the voting pool was very wide and I didn't know it would be narrowed, and because I vote while I am at work, and I don't always know that I will be able to change it later and get back on.

EDIT: And I tried to have at least some sort of decision made last night before the rest of the EST villagers had to leave. The plan was to stay with that unless something else came up--and Diamond's self-vote qualified.

[Nogrod]

SORRY: There was a mistake in my earlier vote-count (didn't take Jenny out from Diamond)

The votes right now, as they should be:

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 3 (Firefoot, Morm, Diamond)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)
Kitanna 2 (Jenny, Nogrod)

[Diamond18]

The votes right now.

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 4 (Firefoot, Jenny, Morm, Diamond)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)
Kitanna 2 (Jenny, Nogrod)

Actually I only have 3 votes (you have Jenny up there twice).

Well now I'm back to being torn about what to do. If I vote for Kitanna, she's shaping up to die. Kitanna, while not my main suspect, was high on my list. If she's a wolf, great, but if she's not, I'm even more suspicious now. *sigh* I'm still thinking Firefoot, probably more than anything for the admittedly odd reason that everyone else seems to trust her, which scares me. So I'm mostly going with my gut. But anyway, since the tide seems to have turned toward Kitanna... I'll try to see how it goes if I live another day. :rolleyes:

- - Diamond

+ + Kitanna

[Nogrod]

WHOA!

This game just surprises, time after time!!!

[Mithalwen]

Blimey o'riley - you make life interesting for your moderator.

[Nogrod]

The votes right now:

Oddwen 2 (Azaelia, Kitanna)
Diamond 2 (Firefoot, Morm)
Nogrod 1 (Oddwen)
Kitanna 3 (Jenny, Nogrod, Diamond)

X-posted with Mith

[Gil-Galad]

well i was going to vote for Morm for bashing againest me and trying to waste a day of voting

EDIT: sorry, voted too late...

[Mithalwen]

It was another extraordinary day in Midsomer Mawlin, Boromir the Seer had been found dead and without his guidance suspicion had initially fallen on Diamond 18. Were their suspicions genuine or were they merely jealous of her youth and beauty when so many of her fellow villagers were not, to put it gently, in the first flush of youth.

It seemed she was doomed - in a fit of bravado (or was it pique) she volunteered for the gallows and was debating her choice of last words ("You are all a bunch of idiots" was favourite) when Jenny, perhaps out of solidarity for a young investigator said that she didn't think that a wolf would volunteer to be hanged. Nogrod agreed and added "I still think Kitanna is suspicious lets hang her instead! "

"You can't hang me - that's discrimination" protested Kitanna, "Haven't you heard about the Disability Discrimination Act of 1995?"

"Sure we have" said Diamond, who had now decided that "Die" was not on her list of things to do that day. "We are giving you full access to the village's execution facility" .

Kitanna tried to make a break but Diamond's reactions were lightning and kicking away Kitanna's cane she pushed her to the floor.

The teenager and diagnostician wrestled but Diamond had taken the cane in both hands and held it down across Kitanna's throat. She pressed harder and though Kitanna writhed she could not escape.

"Help me, you idiots" yelled Diamond. Mormegil went for Sleepy Ranger's naval sword and less helpfully, Firefoot ran to the nearby Cooperdale Cottage for the log and hit Kitanna round the head with it rendering her unconscious.

For a moment she lay still. Then the physicians's body started to transform.

Mormegil ran her through with the sword before the wolf could regain consciousness.


The shortest plague of werewolves was over.


Dead

Mithalwen (moderator)
Feanor (wolf)
Sleepy Ranger (villager)
Kuruharan (wolf)
Boromir (seer)
Kitanna (wolf)

Living

Azaelia of Willowbottom
Diamond18
Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Jenny Hallu
mormegil
Nogrod
Oddwen


A resounding village victory.

[Gil-Galad]

oh wow i actually survived this one... good game guys. though some of you tried to lynch me...

[JennyHallu]

Holy Cow. That was the oddest game of werewolf ever.

MithalMod, you are the greatest...I can't believe we just won!

This has got to be the first village where the ONLY innocent kills were made at night!

[Mithalwen]

oh wow i actually survived this one... good game guys. though some of you tried to lynch me...

Count yourself lucky.....

[mormegil]

That will go down in history. Crazy! In my opinion 3 great wolves but somehow we did it. Great job Boro you gave us a great start. Thanks Mith to a great game.

[Mithalwen]

Holy Cow. That was the oddest game of werewolf ever.

MithalMod, you are the greatest...I can't believe we just won!

This has got to be the first village where the ONLY innocent kills were made at night!


I have to say that it was probaly down to you that it gotr finished today - and the fact that Diamond changed her vote a nanosecond before I closed the voting!!!

[JennyHallu]

I think our problem was that we had 3 potentially incredible wolves...

But they didn't seem to work together very well.


That and the village (sans Gil) was just awesome!

Mith: If the wolf hadn't been Kitanna (yay! good instincts for once!) Diamond's last minute vote change would have sent me after her with everything I had tomorrow. Whew! That was down to the wire...

[Mithalwen]

That will go down in history. Crazy! In my opinion 3 great wolves but somehow we did it. Great job Boro you gave us a great start. Thanks Mith to a great game.

à bon chat, bon rat (fr*)

An attacker and an attackee grow stronger from finding new ways to outwit each other


this was a very strong group of players and poor Kitanna was up against a seer who was as gifted as she was in MM1. I really thought I was living groundhog day at times.

[Nogrod]

A Million hurrahs' to us all!!!

Well, I said earlier today, that getting rid of the wolves with minimal innocent deaths would be a sign of success... This could be counted as one? :)

And three cheers to Diamond: you made this end really a dramatic one!

Thanks to Jenny for the initiative: I was very ready to vote for Kitanna anytime today (as you others might have seen), but there was no reason for it in the earlier situation, not counting ethics and logics - kind of reasons them too, huh? ;)

[Nogrod]

And a deep bow to Mith!

It must have been annoying to write nice deaths and then being forced to make them a new, at the last possible instance! :D

Totally weird village, and enjoyable!

PS. Kind of sad, it ended so soon, but...

[Mithalwen]

Well it served me right for insisting on retractable votes but what agame that made it.

Oh Nogrod your death involved these (http://www.nogginthenog.co.uk/) and valkyries

[Nogrod]

Well it served me right for insisting on retractable votes but what agame that made it.

Oh Nogrod your death involved these (http://www.nogginthenog.co.uk/) and valkyries

Retractable votes are fun!

But that death of mine would just have been magnificient. Kind of sorry I survived... :cool:

[Diamond18]

Well, I think the credit goes to Nogrod and Jenny for turning the tide. :D Cheers! http://forum.barrowdowns.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif I just hopped on their backs when I saw a chance to save my behind. I figured that if Kitanna was innocent, I'd just get killed on the morrow, but since there was a chance she was a wolf, better her today than me. :D

I'm at work and should not be online *looks over shoulder nervously* so I've got to git. Just couldn't resist finding out what happened....

[Anguirel]

An...absolutely stunning performance.

And proof positive that experience maketh not Werewolf.

Also a wonderful advertisement for retractable votes. I'm now considering them for when I have my Heroes sequel...

[Mithalwen]

Azaelia (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:pp4F5pHdnIatIM:www.viva.de/teleschau/images/2/200526_154899_2_012.jpg)
B88 (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:Q7WuB4Gl0P2_6M:www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/8996/cooper.jpg)
Diamond (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:zHvajzL0EjQ1NM:www.hollywoodjesus.com/television/veronica_mars/scene2.jpg)
Fea (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:A18scxgu5ILQgM:www.dialmformax.com/images/inspector_gadget.jpg)
firefoot (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:GRLYbtFbKAs7LM:topkool.free.fr/images_seriestv/arabesque01.jpg)
Jenny (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:diDlLiEsI6OSgM:lobablanca.com/images/folio/velma.jpg)
Kitanna (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:-EfUPuSA9vU9DM:http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/images/HouseMD.jpg)
Kuru (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:ip_tX52VHprnzM:www.tvacres.com/images/morse_inspector.jpg)
morm (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:dl2hVtuN0bzeOM:www.theonering.net/staff/xoanon/TDC/tom_hanks1.jpg)
Nogrod (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:gA-eX6s1M5GF9M:www.tvdvd.fr/eec/Hercule-Poirot/Images/Poirot%255B1%255DEpisode%252010%2520TheDream_01.jp g)
Sleepy (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:k06WKW1Q5OeP0M:img.radio.cz/pictures/herci/connery_seanx.jpg)
Oddwen (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:0DX9_C3N-nf5cM:www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/media/cutingedge2.jpg)
Gil (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:LoDAChO8K1nVbM:www.fortunecity.com/bennyhills/pun/190/robinbatman.jpg)

Mithalwen (http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:QmVLrpZb4ul-eM:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Joan_Hickson_is_Miss_Marple.jpg)

[mormegil]

An...absolutely stunning performance.

And proof positive that experience maketh not Werewolf.

Also a wonderful advertisement for retractable votes. I'm now considering them for when I have my Heroes sequel...

Agreed, retractable votes add an interesting dynamic and creates a lot of excitement.

Bravo to Mith for having the courage to let us use them!

[JennyHallu]

I was right on Firefoot...Azaelia I would never have guessed. Too American.

[JennyHallu]

I was right on Firefoot...Azaelia I would never have guessed. Too American.

Basically I hadn't a chance to guess any characters from the BBC...And I missed Veronica just because I don't watch that show.

[Nogrod]

The character pics were a nice ending to this little saga we had!

Thanks Mith!

PS. I will be supporting retractable votes for the days to come from now on. They really make the difference! (Time-zone problems do not make them even though...)

[Boromir88]

Of coure the night I died I dreamt of Firefoot, luckily my suspicioun of her didn't put her in too much trouble, and a great job to my fellow villagers for finishing out the deed. Firefoot was right it scarily reminded me of WW1 where two wolves were bagged on the first two nights and the lone wolf ended up coming back to win.

I must say, bravo and what a game...sorry it ended so fast Mith :p

[Kitanna]

I was so happy on DAY 1 to learn my alter ego was House. Being House made up for me dying on DAY 3.

Well played by everyone.

[Garin]

Now that the wolves have been vanquished I guess I'm allowed to venture into your village and congratulate you all.

Great modding by Mith.

Great wolf-sniffing ability by Boromir.

Great suicide bluff by Diamond, it didn't work when I tried it.

Gil!

Well, Gil's this guy, you see... and ... I'll get back to you.

And Morm ... well Morm sucks.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Wow. It almost worked.

I knew I was a lost cause and we accepted Kuru as martyr before we even began. Everything left to keeping Kitanna ambiguous, and it almost worked... Watching y'all go after Firefoot made me smile, that being my whole point and all. Sorry 'bout that Firefoot, but I really did need a scapegoat. :)

If it hadn't been for Boromir and Morm... I mean, y'all played wonderfully, but it was really those two.

Great playing, all, and thanks for talking me into a run, Mith.

[The Only Real Estel]

Wow. Shortest...game...ever. Or darn close.

First off – great seering Boro!

Second off – tough luck wolves, having two people like Fea & Khuru can hurt because you both are vets that the seer would want to find out about ASAP.

Despite the short length of the game I didn’t get to keep up with it that well (wish I could have...heck, I wish I could’ve played in it) but those are just two things I picked up on. And of course the great modding by Mith is impossible to overlook.

Fun game! :D
-Estel-

[Kuruharan]

Let that be a lesson to all future wolves about what can go wrong if you try a "wolves attempt to turn on each other" strategy. :p