Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXIII: Journey to Hy Brazil

[Cailín]

And we go sailing, sailing, ever westwards on the sea…

Some call it the Elder Islands, Hy Brazil or its elder variant Hybras, Avallon, the Otherworld…

And some very silly people have named it "Valinor" or even "The United States of America".

Some theorists claim that it was found a long time ago and is now the home of the world's most famous football team.

And some are still looking…

Captain Cailín's log

Scheduled date of departure:

19th of June, 10.00 PM

Crew:

Cailín
Nogrod

Passengers:

Durelin -- eye-borrowing Jounin instructor
Caranlondien -- ships's bartender
Holbytlass -- whale hunter
Findëasëa -- Occupational health and safety specialist
Lhunardawen -- seasick reluctant traveler
Kath -- plotting slave
JennyHallu -- Dread Pirate Roberta
Lalaith -- Football Widow
Diamond18 -- Weslamond, the Dread Pirate Roberta's protégé
Firefoot -- wandering traveller with a dog that dislikes pirates

Gurthang -- Plank Operator
Formendacil -- Ne'er-do-well stowaway of snobbish, blue-blooded origins
Nilpaurion Felagund -- renowned Jinchuuriki hunter
Rune Son of Bjarne -- crazy slave, with an obsession for cheese
Mormegil -- the vocal nitpick who can find fault in anything
Taliesin -- criminal who was set adrift
Saucepan Man -- Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Potboiler
Sir Anguirel Spens (Anguirel)
Eomer of the Rohirrim -- slavedriver
Glirdan -- drunken porter
Friedrich Engels (the guy who be short)

[Cailín]

Aboard there shall reside:

Four Werewolves
One Seer
One Hunter
One Ranger
One Lover
Thirteen Ordinary Villagers

The Wolves

The four wolves may PM each other during Night phases only. They will then decide upon a kill (and possible strategy) and PM their choice to both the mods before the Night phase ends. The wolves win when their number equals or excels that of the villagers (including the Ordinary Lover).

The Seer

Every Night, including the first, the Seer is allowed one dream. The Seer will PM their choice to both the mods and the role of that person is revealed. The Ordinary Lover will appear as an Ordinary Villager to the Seer's eyes.

The Hunter

The Hunter will take down one person of their choice when they die, whether this be by the hands of the village or the wolves. Their pick may be changed at any time and as often as the Hunter likes (though certain moderation is recommended for the mod's sanity). The Hunter should PM their choice to both mods. Added to that, the Hunter is in touch with the Ranger and they may PM during the Day, allowing them to synchronise their Nightly activities.

The Ranger

Each Night, the Ranger can protect the person of their choice by sending the name of this player to both mods. They are not allowed to protect the same player two Nights in a row. Added to that, the Ranger knows the Hunter quite well and they may PM during the Day, allowing them to synchronise their Nightly activities.

The Lovers

One out of the team of the wolves and one out of the team of the ordinary villagers have overcome the barriers of hairiness, deadly fangs and general bloodthirstiness and have fallen madly in love. They shall be allowed to PM during the Night phase as well as the Day phase. Should one of them be killed, whether by hands of the village, the wolves or even the mods, the other shall die from grief. The Lovers can only win if they survive together.

Other rules:

- You may claim to be anything you like while on this ship, but under no accounts are you allowed to give absolute credit to your claim. Absolute credit is both the publishing of PMs from the moderators or swearing on the Bible / your mother's grave / your copy of the Silmarillion / any other credible thing as the mod takes swearing far too serious indeed.

- Coded messages are greatly discouraged.

- Dead players are dead. Indeed, though this forum suggests otherwise, this means you tell no tales.

- All players should be in invisible mode for as long as they are aboard the ship.

- Editing is only allowed to correct spelling and grammar mistakes, fix bold and italic type, or inform other players of cross-posting if this occurred.

- No vote for two days in a row means a bolt of lightning will mean you shall be eaten by sharks. Very unpleasant. Avoid it, I advise you.

- There will be no double or mass lynching. In case of a tie, the player who first reached the highest vote count is lynched.

- Votes should be cast according to the following format:

++Cailín

on a separate line. Votes will not be retractable - once you have cast your vote, it stays there.

- The narration will contain no clues. No, really.

- Real life problems should be reported on the official T-I-G thread.

- Day and Night Cycles will run from 10 PM to 10 PM London time. Check the time of this post and add 7 hours to see what time this is for you.

NO POSTING ON THIS THREAD BEFORE THE GAME STARTS! All questions you may have can be asked in the official T-I-G thread. Roles will be sent out now.

[Cailín]

In a pub not far from the harbour, two adventurers sat opposite each other. One of them appeared to be a young woman with a less than impressive posture and guileless eyes. The other was of a different mold: an old sailor with a weather-beaten face and hands that seemed to be made out of leather. He had the voice of one who was a stranger in every land.

"You are certain about this?"

The young woman nodded and smiled a half-nervous, half-mysterious smile.

"I swear, sir. I know I can find the place. I only need some help. Or, more precisely, a boat."

In contrast to his, her voice was high and clear, even audible when she tried to lower it to a whisper.

"You have a map? Directions?" He sounded sceptical.

"I have everything we need to know. You will just have to trust me."

"I fail to see why I need make you captain." He leaned back into the chair and took another swig of his drink.

"Well…" she started, and as she spoke, a fire appeared in her eyes that strangely contrasted with her innocent features.

[Cailín]

"Have you decided which way we are headed yet?" asked Nogrod.

Cailín stared over the bow of the ship, squinting against the rising sun. "Westwards, I should think," she replied absentmindedly.

"Hmpf," muttered Nogrod. "I still cannot believe I am going to leave you in charge of my ship."

"Only technically," said Cailín. "Do not worry, I am a great sailor. It's in my blood. More or less. You know. I have cousins."

"And a girl too. A girl in charge of my ship," continued Nogrod, more to himself this time.

"Technically," repeated Cailín. "Oh look, here they come. I managed to trick quite a crowd, don't you think?"

She looked unreasonably proud.

--

In the morning mist, a group of wary travelers had gathered on the docks. They eyed the ship with some suspicion, already quite forgotten why they had allowed themselves to be lured aboard by the innocent-looking girl with the tall tales.

"Not very impressive," remarked Caranlondien. "I don't even think they have a bar."

"Aye. A ship with no ale is no proper ship," grunted the Dread Pirate Roberta.

"Aye," imitated Weslamond, her protégé.

Firefoot's dog set off barking immediately, snapping randomly in the direction of Roberta and Weslamond.

"This is all wrong, I tell you," commented Mormegil, shaking his head. "All wrong."

"Definitely," agreed Holbytlass. "This ship's too small to hunt whales."

"It has a plank," Gurthang pointed out. "A good ship needs no more."

Taliesin grinned nastily. "Captain's a bit small, don't you think?"

"Does this ship even pass by Norroway?" asked Sir Anguirel Spens doubtfully.

"I never wanted to get on in the first place!" wailed Lhunardawen. "I hate water!"

"I'm bored," came in Formendacil, while examining his polished nails.

Nothing to worry about as long as I am present," roared Sir Horatio.

"Hai," added Nilp, never letting his eye of Durelin, who was already reaching for her shuriken.

"Come on, my pretties," smirked Eomer of the Rohirrim, a rather shady looking character, pushing Kath and Rune forwards.

"Abomination," commented Friedrich Engels, glaring at Eomer.

"Where's the cheese?" cried Rune in dismay. "I need my cheese!"

"Oh silent, you. How can I think of a flawless, infallible plan with you constantly yelling in my ear?" said Kath, annoyed.

"Yoo-hooo," sang Glirdan drunkenly, tardy as ever. "Adventure *hic* here I come!"

[Cailín]

As soon as the passengers had all boarded Cailín and Nogrod made ready to leave port. With Nogrod's clear instructions, they quickly hoisted the sails, while the passengers huddled together uncomfortably. Some were already glaring at one another. The deck would prove too small for the large group.

A storm caught them not three miles from the shore.

"Don't worry. That was supposed to happen," said Cailín, her eyes shimmering with excitement. "Adventurers always get caught in a storm before they get anywhere."

Nogrod gritted his teeth and made no comment. After a while, only the pleading voice of Rune begging for cheese was heard of the raging of the winds.

As dusk settled, the storm lay down as quickly as it had appeared, though the ship still seemed to be spinning in every direction. Confused, Nogrod ran to the front of the ship, pushing several weary-looking passengers aside, and spotted Cailín, who was fervently spinning the ship's wheel. Every once in a while, she glanced at a piece of weathered paper she was holding.

"Cailín, let me handle the wheel. We need to get her stable!"

"You said I could be the captain, remember?" yelled Cailín. "Besides, you have no idea where we are heading!"

"Cailín, do not be a fool! We need to work together. You cannot steer the ship all by yourself!" grunted Nogrod. He considered for a moment. "It seems you cannot even steer a ship, period.

"I can perfectly well do everything. And by myself," said Cailín, while giving the wheel a final twirl. "There she goes. I'm sure fate will take us wherever necessary."

Nogrod cast her a disbelieving look.

"Oh, and I shall take the cabin," Cailín added. With a last look at the disturbed passengers, taking little note of Lhuna, who was looking decidedly greenish, leaning over the railing, she retreated for the Night.

[Cailín]

Captain Cailín's Log

We left port with 21 passengers aboard. None of them seem particularly interesting. Nogrod is so annoying. Where we are now? Tis a secret.

--

Night One has now started. Werewolves, you may talk but do not need to decide upon a kill toNight. Lovers, do as you will. Seer, please PM Nogrod and me with your first dream.

[Nogrod]

In the darkest hour of the Night, four creatures could be seen crawling the deck as if the ship belonged to them. Triumphantly, they gazed at the black sea stretching out in each direction. Their prey would never escape.

Only Nogrod was still standing at the wheel, muttering to himself. He had tried - in vain - to get the ship back on its original course. While he was trying to judge their current position by the stars, he had to conclude that they had indeed travelled far in one day. It seemed indeed to be further than he had ever travelled. Nogrod was puzzled. None of the constellations looked familiar.

Suddenly, he was disturbed by a noise coming from behind. He turned around, expecting to see Cailín coming to apologise, when he felt a knife piercing his back. Or was it a knife? With semi-conscious eyes, Nogrod took in the shape of four miscreants: hideously large, hairy creatures, part wolf and part man. As the larger one approached with his teeth bared, the brave sailor could not help but faint.

In the morning, Cailín woke up from a dreamless sleep. She blinked a few times to get used to the bright light of a day at sea. As she stretched out, she felt something strange and squishy at the end of her bed. She let out a soft cry. Sitting up in annoyance, she gazed at the thing that had caused her discomfort. Except it was not a thing. It was a mangled corpse, still bearing the marks of the sailor she had known so briefly, though hideously disfigured. His mouth was still open in shock and from the remains of his tongue dangled a crumpled piece of paper with a short note.

The real captain. He was delicious. You'll be next.

In spite of herself, Cailín screamed.


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Her scream woke the other passengers with a start. Some of the more alert ones immediately rushed to the Captain's cabin. They quickly took in the scene, several crying in dismay at the sight of the mangled body of the person they had really trusted to take them home safely.

"Oh dear," said Firefoot.

"Look!" yelled Cailín. "Look at the marks, the hairs! We have werewolves aboard, there can be no other explanation!"

The other passengers exchanged fleeting looks.

"Well," said Taliesin eventually. "I can think of one other…" He grinned, never letting his eyes of Captain Cailín.

"He is right," said Findeasea softly. "We overheard them fighting. She must have been afraid Nogrod would undermine her authority."

Slowly, the passengers closed in on her.

"What…," whimpered Cailín, starting to comprehend.

"You tricked us aboard!" screamed Lhunardawen suddenly. "You tricked us and now we are all going to die!"

"I didn't…," Cailín interrupted her indignantly.

"You lured us aboard with false motives and empty promises," cut in Lalaith. "Can you deny it?"

"Not completely false and empty," protested Cailín.

"There is no cheese on this ship!" cried Rune hysterically. "No cheese!"

"She's mad," claimed Caranlondien. "You saw how she acted last night."

"Besides, there is something basically wrong with the entire concept of having a 'Captain'," stated Friedrich Engels wisely.

"She is a wolf. Don't ask me, I can just tell," said Eomer of the Rohirrim with his usual air of casual superiority.

"Well, dear," said Gurthang. "Seems like you are going to walk the plank!"

Dragging Cailín along, the passengers left the cabin and stepped out on the deck. The young woman was hardly putting up a fight, just looking thoroughly annoyed and extremely sorry for herself. Sir Anguirel hoisted her up the plank and there she stood, gazing at the crowd.

"She's one too many on this ship," said Gurthang, approaching the Captain menacingly. "Any final words?"

"But…," Cailín said with her lip trembling. "But it's my birthday!"

"Oh, who cares!" came in Formendacil.

With one final, decisive shove, Cailín tumbled into the water. After splashing around for a few moments, the passengers saw her submerge. They waited patiently, staring at the calm sea below them. Two full minutes passed before the body of the once captain Cailín surfaced again, eyes still wide open. staring helplessly at the unknown sky. She had not transformed and all secrets she may have had drowned with her, then and there.

"Maybe it wasn't really her," said Holbytlass, after all had been silent for a while.

"Quite possibly," agreed Sir Horatio, glaring at his fellow passengers suspiciously.

"But that means," continued Holbytlass, looking decidedly uncomfortable. "That means that among us…"

Several others nodded in agreement.

"Told you it was a bad plan," said Mormegil triumphantly. "Now what do we do? We're lost and we have no captain."

"Someone must keep the log," said Durelin. "It's the sensible thing to do."

"I can be captain!" spoke Dread Pirate Roberta. "Aye, and a bloody good one, too."

"Aye," imitated Weslamond.

"To hell you can be captain!" yelled Firefoot. "You probably are responsible for this in the first place."

And thus, accusations began flying.

[Nogrod]

Captain Cailín's Log

We are in the middle of nowhere. We have werewolves aboard. We just killed the one person who had some clue where home is.

Sounds like trouble.

Signed,

Formendacil



--

~The dead ~
Nogrod – sub-mod, ripped into pieces of flesh and bones by the werewolves on Night1
Cailín – mod, forced to walk the plank at the end of Night1/ the beginning of Day1

~The living ~
Durelin -- eye-borrowing Jounin instructor
Caranlondien -- ships's bartender
Holbytlass -- whale hunter
Findëasëa -- Occupational health and safety specialist
Lhunardawen -- seasick reluctant traveler
Kath -- plotting slave
JennyHallu -- Dread Pirate Roberta
Lalaith -- Football Widow
Diamond18 -- Weslamond, the Dread Pirate Roberta's protégé
Firefoot -- wandering traveller with a dog that dislikes pirates

Gurthang -- Plank Operator
Formendacil -- Ne'er-do-well stowaway of snobbish, blue-blooded origins
Nilpaurion Felagund -- renowned Jinchuuriki hunter
Rune Son of Bjarne -- crazy slave, with an obsession for cheese
Mormegil -- the vocal nitpick who can find fault in anything
Taliesin -- criminal who was set adrift
Saucepan Man -- Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Potboiler
Sir Anguirel Spens (Anguirel)
Eomer of the Rohirrim -- slavedriver
Glirdan -- drunken porter
Friedrich Engels (the guy who be short)


Day1 has now started.

Wolves stop PM-ing.

Lovers can continue PM-ing and the Hunter and Ranger may start PM-ing.

Villagers, start talking. There will be more deaths yet toDay.

[Diamond18]

Werewolves aboard a ship? Inconceivable!

(Bet you're surprised I can say more than just "aye," aye?)

We all know Eomer is guilty so let's just off him. And then drink rum. Sound like a plan?

[Anguirel]

O lang, land may the ladies sit
Wi' thair gold kems in their hair,
Waiting for thair ain deir lords
For they'll se thame na mair.
Haf owre, haf owre to Aberdour,
It's fiftie fadom deip:
And thair lies guid Captain Cailín,
Wi' the logbook incomplete.

Ah, whit grim dairstard did the deed?
Word goes 'gainst Eomer,
Yet Weslamond there sits content
Nursing a scheme not fair?

Well, that was rather stupid of us. I know I was overdoing the Scotch. But can you imagine my emotions when I checked the chart and found Norroway was the other side of the flipping ocean?

Ahem. More when there is more of moment to discourse (and balladify) upon.

[Formendacil]

Sweet, I got to make a note in the logbook.

Don't kill me, all of you: I now have a job.

The temptation to pull a Nilp and vote myself is... tempting. I simultaneously want a quick out of this game (laziness) and to survive to the end... being a good sport, I'll try for the latter... but a Day 1 death would amuse me no end.

Especially since it would likely be because of this post here.

As I've stated game after game.... short of a stupid slip up (an' I ain't stoopid...) there is no way other than dumb luck to catch a wolf on Day 1.

Day 1s... :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

Hic! What's hic all this I hic hear about our Captain hic Cailin being forced to hic walk the plank? Hic hic HIICCC!! Oh dear. Hic! Now how are we hic going to hic get hic home!?

I say we scrounge hic around in hic the Captain's quarters to hic see hic if there's any hic maps. *Looks around groggily* No volun-HIC-teers? Okay. Hic! Fine. Hic! Until someone hic get enough courahic to check, I suggest we hic look for those damned hic Wolves starting with hic that plotting slave, Kahicth! I mean come hic on! She's a hic slave hic plotting hic something! What if it's hic the dethic of us?

I need to go hic lie down. I shall be hic back once I feel hic less sihic.

[Diamond18]

Leave it to Form to bring up the spirit of Ennui first. ;) Might I suggest a signature change to something along the lines of "I'm so bored, kill me now"?

I still maintain that a more satisfying and enjoyable way to spend the Day would be to gang up on the kilted slave driver. Yo ho to ho.

I'm going to go scour the ship for treasure and slay a few rats for fun. I'll be back in a few hours to see if there's anything interesting going on (i.e. to see who has taken the "I'm so bored, kill me now" bait. :p)

[Durelin]

Whoa.

I'm...

on time?

No..wait...

early?

Arr, werewolves?!

. . .

Shunshin no Jutsu! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu_%28Naruto%29#Shunshin_no_Jutsu_.28Body_Fl icker_Technique.29)

Gone.

[Gurthang]

What horrible timing. This interupted my Bible reading. Just got finished with I Corinthians 13. ;) :p Oh, and I swe... er, I'm not supposed to do that, am I.


We all know Eomer is guilty so let's just off him. And then drink rum. Sound like a plan?
Yeah! Except one thing... the rum is gone!

*Captain Jack Sparrow appears out of nowhere*
Sparrow: "But why is the rum gone?!"

Well, it's gone because... Glirdan drank it all! I say we send him off the plank next for drinking all the rum. :p

[Kath]

That slave driver's been driving me nuts.

I've an idea! Let's kill him off now, Rune will back me up, if he quits playing with that cheese of his.

I'll be over there *points vaguely* plotting. Yell if you want me.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

werewolves that's terri. . . .What is that, do I smell cheese, yes it deffenetly smells of Edam cheese!

what was I saying, oh yeah. Thats not good at all, unless they are really fuzzy and cute, uh what if you can milk them then we could get some cheese! That would be nice, yes it would really nice.

[Taliesin]

What now? Werewolves? Lynching.. that almost sounds like my sort of thing.

Perhaps we should start off by killing Glirdan, with all that booze and
hiccing of his, I doubt he makes much sense ;) .

[Lalaith]

It looks like the sun is well and truly over the yard-arm and many of my fellow passengers are resorting to strong drink to get them through what has become a truly horrible journey...actually, now that you come to mention it, if anyone's got a spare G-and-T knocking about I wouldn't say no.
Even taking alcohol consumption into account, here's more eccentricity flying around than I would have expected, even for day one. And some things that are just plain odd. Our stowaway grandly talks of suicidal ennui and stupid slips, while the plank operator seems to be dropping not anchors but biblical hints.
I must away to my cabin to sleep and ponder, but will join you again anon.

[Firefoot]

Gurthang is cracking me up. Do wolves crack people up?

What's the drill now? Something about lynching Eomer...? ;)

M'dear dog Ralph (a perfectly canonical name, I assure you!) here seems to think that we should lynch all the pirates... pirating is a right wolvish thing to do, now, maybe they are wolves. Hm.

[The Saucepan Man]

Ahoy, me hearties!

Never fear, for Rear-Admiral Horatio Potboiler, naval commander etxraordinaire (retired) is here, what ho? What this ship needs is a cove with solid maritime experience to steer us home afore sunset. And you need look no further than this humble servant of the seaways. I'll have this vessel ship-shape and Bristol fashion in short order and we'll be back on dry land afore ye can shiver a timber. There'll be no more Werewolf attacks while I'm in charge.

*HONK! Dishonourable discharge! Dishonourable discharge! HONK!*

Ah now, don't ye mind Goosey Gander thar on me shoulder. He waddled into a court martial once and picked up a few lines that he's been a'repeating ever since.

*HONK! Drunk in charge of the flagship! Dishonourable discharge! HONK!

See what I mean. Utter nonsense! It's common knoweldge that I retired with full naval honours. Dishonourable discharge indeed!

*HONK! Lost at sea! Lost at sea! HONK!*

Complete gibberish. Never been lost at sea in me life. And I don't intend to start now. Just place yourselves under my command and I'll have you all back to port in time for tea. Cow pasties all round at Mrs Miggins Pie-shop and a measure of rum for all who pitch in.

*HONK! Mutiny! Mutiny! Sir Horatio cast adrift in the dinghy! Crew and vessel unaccounted for! Dishonourable discharge! HONK!*

Hehe! I really don't know where he gets this stuff from. Pure fantasy! Now, muster yer slaves, Mr Of the Rohirrim. There's mainsails to be hoisted and rigging to be climbed. Come, Mister Gurthang, Mister Mormegil and young Master Glirdan. We have work to do. Sir Anguirel, you take charge of the oriental ninja-types, the shady cove and the stowaway. Lock them in the brig, for I don't trust them one jot. And ladies, stow yerselves below decks. This be man's work.

*HONK! He's a Wolf! He's a Wolf! HO...[choke]!*

Desist, Mr Gander! You go too far. Let that be a lesson to you.

Now, get to work, me hearties. If you need me, I'll be in the Captain's Cabin studying the charts.

[JennyHallu]

I can't help that I'm a Pirate. I answer a high calling. But can we focus a bit here? There are four wolves among us. That's almost a fifth of this village. And I would bet that at least one of the nonsense spouters to have posted since Cailin's unfortunate demise is lupine, yarr?

[The Saucepan Man]

That slave driver's been driving me nuts.

I've an idea! Let's kill him off now, Rune will back me up, if he quits playing with that cheese of his.What's that? Mutinous talk? I'll not hear of it. Not aboard my ship. Now get to work, the two of you and we'll hear no more of yer mutterings.

*[choke]*

[The Saucepan Man]

M'dear dog Ralph (a perfectly canonical name, I assure you!) here seems to think that we should lynch all the pirates... pirating is a right wolvish thing to do, now, maybe they are wolves. Hm.Pirates you say? I'll not tolerate the scurvy knaves. Mister Gurthang. Ready yer plank. We have pirates to attend to.

*HONK! Lynch Sir Horatio! HO ... [choke]*

[Durelin]

*re-appears*

Mmmm...goose. *licks lips*

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

That slave driver's been driving me nuts.
I've an idea! Let's kill him off now, Rune will back me up, if he quits playing with that cheese of his.

I am not playing with my cheese! It is not some kind of a toy, you know. This tiny piece of Feta is the only cheese I got left, it is precious to me.

Kill him? maybe we should! Nasty slave driver never gives us. . . I mean me any cheese.

What's that? Mutinous talk? I'll not hear of it. Not aboard my ship. Now get to work, the two of you and we'll hear no more of yer mutterings.

Muttering, guttering, buttering, fluttering, O! tra-la-la-lally

[Glirdan]

Well, it's gone because... Glirdan drank it all! I say we send him off the plank next for drinking all the rum. (Gurth)

What!? The rum is hic all gone hic!?!? This is terrible!! HICC!!!

Gurthang is cracking me up. Do wolves crack people up? (Lal)

Good hic question hic! Keep an eye hic on hic him for me hic, will you? I must hic leave hic. I'm still not hic better...

[The Saucepan Man]

Muttering, guttering, buttering, fluttering, O! tra-la-la-lallySuch insolence!

Slight delay on the making head or tail of the charts front, chaps and chappesses. So it looks like we might have to spend one more night at sea. In which case, one of our number must walk the plank before sundown. Candidates galore, as far as I can see.

Durelin -- Shifty ninja-type. Can't understand a word she says. Lynch her, I say!
Caranlondien -- No bar aboard. No point in keeping her.
Holbytlass -- A whale hunter, you say? That's no job for a lady. Take a lie down in the women's quarters and let the men do the sailing, m'dear.
Findëasëa -- No room for occupational health and safety aboard a ship of Her Majesty's Navy. Take a stroll round the deck to clear your pretty little head of such flights of fancy.
Lhunardawen -- Can't understand why the sea-life doesn't agree with her. Look after her will you please, ladies?
Kath -- Back to work, yer scurvy knave and no more mutinous talk from you.
JennyHallu -- A pirate, ergo she must walk the plank forthwith.
Lalaith -- Ah, the Beautiful Game is indeed not best apprecited by the fairer gender. Best join Holbytlass below decks, me girl.
Diamond18 -- Another pirate! Zounds, avast with her.
Firefoot -- I trust anyone with such an eminently sensible dog. Care to swap him for Goosey gander?

*HONK! Lynch the dog! Lynch the dog!* HONK!

Gurthang -- Plank Operator. Useful chappie.
Formendacil -- Can't say I approve of stowaways. But he's blue-blooded, so can't be all bad.
Nilpaurion Felagund -- Another ninja chappie. What with all these ninjas and priates, no wonder we find ourselves in such dire straits. Hang him high.
Rune Son of Bjarne -- Don't like his insolence. But he may shape up. Back to work, wretch, and I'll consider sparing ye the cat o' nine tails.
Mormegil -- Solid fellow. Best keep him around for now.
Taliesin -- A thief and a scoundrel. Cast him adrift. He knows the score.
Saucepan Man -- An admirable fellow.
Sir Anguirel Spens (Anguirel) -- A scholar and a gentleman, and honoured by Her Majesty to boot. I'm rather taken with his shanty.
Eomer of the Rohirrim -- Needs to keep his slaves under better control. Provided he does, we will do well to keep him.
Glirdan -- Poor fellow needs to sober up. No good to man nor beast in his state. It doesn't do to be drunk on deck.

*HONK! You should know! HONK!*

Friedrich Engels (the guy who be short) -- Misguided politically, poor fellow, but may prove useful.

So I say we lynch:

JennyHallu
Diamond18
Taliesin
Durelin
Nilpaurion Felagund

What? Only four Wolves, you say? Ah well, let's start at the top and see how things work out. If the pirates and the thief turn out innocent, it'll be no loss anyway.

[Diamond18]

And ladies, stow yerselves below decks. This be man's work.

Ha! Ha ha! Obviously you have never heard of the Dread Pirate Roberta... which is odd, since she is known of and dreaded far and wide. Some seaman you are, arr. At any rate, DPR and DPR Jr. (that's me) could take you in a swordfight, a battle of strength, and quite easily in a battle of wits, I assure you. Avast! You'll need us in a battle against werewolves, I'll warrant.

*wanders away grumbling about daft old English gentry*

[The Saucepan Man]

Obviously you have never heard of the Dread Pirate Roberta... I was addressing the ladies. And a pirate is no lady in my books, Audrification notwithstanding.

An amendment:

Diamond18
JennyHallu
Taliesin
Durelin
Nilpaurion Felagund

Now off to the plank with you and let's see how you like dancing with the sharks. Fine swordplay and sharp wits will not avail ye in Davy Jones' Locker.

[Diamond18]

I was addressing the ladies. And a pirate is no lady in my books, Audrification notwithstanding.

Oh, well that's okay then.

Though I do not trust you, old fool. Anyone who advocates keeping the Rohirric One around is bound to be up to no good, no good at all. That, coupled with the insane ranting and blatant attempts to seize control of the ship, makes ye look highly suspect in my book. Aye. I mean, really, making lynch lists? So who died and made you the Good Wizard, eh?

[Caranlondien]

No bar aboard! And Glirdan's gone and drunk all the rum... What's a bartender to do? Lucky I've brought my own supply of spirits. So I'll be in the galley, serving drinks. I've an open ear, so feel free to confide any wolvish woes in me... I won't tell anyone, I swear! :D Well, it was worth a try.

Oh, and I say we lynch Sir Potboiler's parrot, but not Sir Potboiler himself, as I suspect he'll be a regular customer.

[mormegil]

Not enough sense on this ship to do much of anything if you ask me. Really we are wasting our time here, aren't we. Perhaps we should just lock everybody away in separate quarters and let me have control of this ship as I don't trust a one of you to get the job done, what with SpM's horrible talking goose. Whoever heard of such a beast. Maybe in Narnia but not here. I can only see good in eating that goose before I revert to savage cannibalism.

If Glirdan could utter a single intelligible sentence I might want to keep him around but I've got no use for a drunk on ship now.

Formendacil's pain and agony should be dragged out, death would be an easy escape for one his type. Thinks he's so high and mighty and yet stows away without paying proper passage. I say we demand he pay or we hang him too.

And Diamond fancies herself the Dread Pirate Roberta, well I'm sorry dear but that just doesn't sound dreadful to me. It sounds more campy and fun, but I'll take you seriously for a moment *snickering* well if you are the true dread pirate roberta those WW better be careful because their up against...*hysterically laughing* Oh I just can't do it. I can't possible take a pirate who calls herself Roberta seriously. :p

I'm not certain what Rune and Kath did to earn slavery but I'm sure they deserve it. In the event that we don't have a good suspect, they might make a good scapegoat and we could lynch them.

But

++Glirdan

I can't understand what that lad says and that is enough for me.

[Gurthang]

I won't tell anyone, I swear!

*gasp* Rulebreaker! Swearing has been forbidden (by Cailín)! :p

I see that we do have a few pirates around. And it's my job to make sure that these pirates get what they deserve: a short drop and a sudden stop.* But, seeing as we're at sea, our lovely plank will do well to replace our gallows.

Oh, Durelin, are you sure you're not using Shoten no Jutsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu_%28Naruto%29#Shoten_no_Jutsu_.28Shapeshif ting_Technique.29). :p

So, since lists are always so popular, I think I'll make one. And this is strictly for Day 1 usage. In no particular order:

Glirdan (For drinking all the rum.)
Caran (For breaking the No Swearing bi-law.)
Durelin (For using unnatural martial arts.)
JennyHallu (For being a pirate.)

Diamond almost made the list, but she's not a real pirate. And only real pirates automatically make the list. For now anyway.


*Sorry, but just watched Pirates of the Caribbean again the other day. And being on a ship has quotes coming out of my ears. :D

[Caranlondien]

Swearing has been forbidden
Whoops!

Disclaimer: In case anyone thought I was being serious, I will not refrain from passing on any werewolf-related information you choose to disclose to me. In fact, if, while drinking an excess of mead, you confide in me that you are a werewolf, I will scream "Wolf!" and help the rest of the passengers push you off the plank. Of course, I'll do all that after I've made sure you've paid your tab.

Darn law-suits, all those werewolves claiming breaches of patron-bartender confidentiality :D

Also, apparently I missed that Rear-Admiral Sir Whats-his-face's avian companion is not a parrot, but rather a goose. Which explains the honks. So I hereby amend my previous suggestion to be that we lynch the goose.

[Anguirel]

(returns Sir Horato Potboiler's friendly greeting with a cold stare)

SIR HORATIO: A scholar and a gentleman, and honoured by Her Majesty to boot. I'm rather taken with his shanty.

(Sir Anguirel draws his claymore)

SIR ANGUIREL: I am nary honoured one whit by yon English Queen, do ye here me, aye? I was dubbed a kneght by none aither than Alexander the Thaird, King of Scots, and serve Scotland and the True Kirk, and ye'll do best to remember it, aye. And that goes for yerrer footba team as well, Sassenach...

Excuse me, I tend to break into my native accent (or song) at moments of high emotion. Do forgive me.

I don't agree with Formendacil in the slightest and I feel shades of Nilp in a ballad told some time ago of murderous ducks.

Incidentally...(stares curiously at Sir Horatio's goose, and crosses himself solemnly)

As for yon pirate scum, I am with the Englishman on that account. Put them to the sword, I say. Yet we should remember that werewolf spirits do not necessarily lurk beneath scoundrel exteriors. Anyone-even sweet wee Lhuna-could house a tortured, fell spirit. I say we hang the wolves and then deal with any remaining pirates. All the more combat, and I relish it, yearghhh...

And the fine upstanding slave-driver, he and I got acquainted over whisky. I'll not hang a fellow resident of Alba...

[Lhunardawen]

*leans over the ship's railings and baaaaarfs*

Sweet indeed, Sir Anguirel. Would you rather not say sour? All this *barfs* is getting to me. But to business...

Firefoot and Gurthang are the Lovers. This open, mutual understanding of 1 Corinthians 13 is their way of hiding out in the open. Firefoot's the wolf, and she will be the bane of us all unless she is lynched.

Her fellow wolves are Fin, Taliesin, and Friedrich Engels. But no one will care toDay, because what everyone wants is to get that kilt-wearing slavedriver lynched. Like this:

++EOMER OF THE ROHIRRIM

After mourning his innocence, the passengers will commence with lynching the pirates one by one because ninjas are cooler than pirates!

*tries to run away from Roberta and her protégé but stumbles on her non-sea legs and is caught by...*

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

*starts singing, pretty much without a consistend melody*

The world is full of beautiful women, It is driving me insane, even when they are not near. The thought about women disappear When you live as many years as a slave as I, you start thinking of:

Roquefort and emmentaler, gorgonzola,
I will give Anything for feta!
Brie or camembert,
Or what smells even worse old cheese from Crete
Cheese, I want cheese, I must have cheese!

*mumbling*
I am not sure I like that Horato Parboiled at all. . .


After mourning his innocence, the passengers will commence with lynching the pirates one by one because ninjas are cooler than pirates!

True true ! Lhuna you shall lead and I shall follow. . .

++EOMER OF THE ROHIRRIM

He is an evil slave driver who, keeps all chesse to him self. He forgets that all wealth is the product of labour!
Hey who said that? Those are not my words!

(I am not sure wether I will return later or not, hence the early vote)

[Taliesin]

Good morning, my fellow lost ones. Just got out of my cabin and you're already shouting about this werewolf thing again eh?

Let's not jump to conclusion about my past shall we? I might have committed a few crimes here and there in the past, but with all these pirates around, it's a possibility I'm not even the worst!
Y'all should leave the poor slave driver alone, a man's got to make a living one way or another. Frankly, that slave with all his mumbling and singing about cheese seems like a fella I wouldn't trust at all. Never trust a man who prefers cheese over woman, I say.

Mr. Rear-Admiral Horatio Potboiler, quite a mouth full, there's something about he and gooses that make me don't trust him.. at all. ;)

[Glirdan]

I have returned and I feel a lot better with only the odd hic! Now, to try and get what I said earlier across... Lynch Kath! She's a plotting hic slave! Who knows if she's plotting to kill us!? Hic! How do we know she's not a Wolf in a slave disguise and is really plotting to kill us when she says she's plotting to escape!? Lynche her! Hic!

++Kath

[Gurthang]

Taliesin seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Which means I'll be watching him. Being new and smart makes it likely he'll survive for much of the game, and if he happens to be a wolf then that's bad. So watch him, I will.

I see Eomer's got two votes already. They seem almost odd, though, for some reason I can't really pinpoint. I was completely expecting Eomer to get a lot of votes. Maybe it's just them being back to back. Although, if we are going to lynch Eomer, we should do so sooner rather than later. If he's a wolf, he always (and I do mean always) manages to wiggle out of getting lynched later in the game. Basically, if he's not lynched early, he won't be lynched at all... which is very bad for us if he is a lycan.

I'll be back just before the deadline to cast my vote.

[Taliesin]

On to more pressing matters..

We should decide on who gets to sleep in the captain's cabin, I mean once you've driven out the odd smell it is the best bed.

[Anguirel]

Varlets and false cowards! At least wait for Eomer to say his piece before hanging him wi'out a case or evidence! Despicable!

For masself, I view yon ninjas with undiluted disdain. When will they understand that the rapier is far more stylish than the katana?

Yet when will the pirates comprehend that the claymore bows to none?

The whole pack of you seem basely reduced in thought. If you want my view, it seems to me that leaping on Eomer when his back is turned is a wolf's game or a mug's game.

I also view with suspicion those who foment the ancient ninja/pirate grievance, of which the ballads sing:

Ah, ne'er was there a war so blear
And bootless as that bitter fight.
Eternal struggles aid no man
But leave too many slain, bone-white.
The ninja with his effete tricks
Is clearly nursing a complex
The pirate with obnoxious tongue
Should stow the gab and swab the decks.

[JennyHallu]

...fizzy soda.

This is more character-based nonsense than I have ever seen, not in all my days on the High Seas. *sigh* So much for my good record of Day 1 wolf lynches.

Several people are worrying me.

I fear Goosey Gander may be speaking truth. An old salt like Potboiler wouldn't be above pulling such a bold double bluff, and certain celebrations last night might have loosened his inhibitions even further. (Happy Birthday, Sauce...) However, he could be an innocent pulling an even more elaborate bluff...or just tipsy.

Gurthang's reference to 1 Corinthians 13 is also worrisome, but mildly. A true lover would be quieter, to my mind.

I wonder where Nilp is...he usually posts while I'm abed, but we've heard naught from him...this probably is nothing though. Just a comment.

And (back to character) I trusted Weslamond from the first but she did plead True Love as the reason I should spare her. Oh well. I'll kill her tomorrow. Or the next day.

EDIT: Crossed with Ang. And a cutlass is far nicer than either. Protects the hand, y'know. Keeps my manicure looking nice.

[mormegil]

It is difficult to admit but Aguirel is correct. Too many want Eomer dead for really no reason other than having slaves. I don't think he's such a bad chap as all that. I mean look at his two slaves they are wretched miscreants and almost deserving of their fate. Speaking of which Eomer are they for sale?

[Holbytlass]

Well, me matey's, it is I, the whale hunter, returned to you after a sojourn in the dingy after defying the dingy about females staying below decks! Hey! Just cause my acorns hang higher....! Anyways, I did my best to bring it in, the whale. I nice size I might add, could have brought in much meat, oil for the lamps and blubber to chew while we thinks about these infernal creatures.

As for who they mights be? I don't know but I trust none of yas, even if ye be not a creature good intentions go arye when panicked. Not that anyone is yet 'cept yon one thirsting for cheese but if these killin's keep happening-we will be.

Votin' record so far
Morm-->Glirdan
Lhuna-->Eomer
Rhune-->Eomer
Glirdan-->Kath

Xposted: Anguirel Jenny Morm

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Durelin might find this (http://elenrod.livejournal.com/14106.html) interesting. ;)

As for the matters at hand, I shall present my case against Eomer . . .

Oh, who am I kidding? I'll just vote for myself!

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Sayonara!

[The Saucepan Man]

What ho, shipmates.

I have been doing some thinking.

*HONK! Don’t hold your breath. HONK!*

The time for the opening skirmishes is, I think, at an end. Now let us get down to the serious business of spotting these Wolves in earnest. So, some idle thoughts on what has occurred so far.

Much has been fluff and nonsense. Mere buffoonery. And I read nothing into that, save that a Wolf might seek to extend the period of banter so as to avoid serious discussion.

*HONK! Serious discussion? On Day 1? Impossible! HONK!*

Hmm. Wonder if I should rename him Formy Gander.

Anyway, the banter notwithstanding, there have been some moments which bear consideration.

I find Formendacil’s opening gambit intriguing:

The temptation to pull a Nilp and vote myself is... tempting. I simultaneously want a quick out of this game (laziness) and to survive to the end... being a good sport, I'll try for the latter... but a Day 1 death would amuse me no end.

Especially since it would likely be because of this post here.

As I've stated game after game.... short of a stupid slip up (an' I ain't stoopid...) there is no way other than dumb luck to catch a wolf on Day 1.

Day 1s... :rolleyes: The wannabe pirate refers to this as bait. I am tempted to take it. It seems a rather good opening tactic for a Wolf to say something controversial and then point out how it is likely to end in his untimely death. Basic counter-psychology. If he suggests that people will be more inclined to vote for him for what he has said, people will (as Diamond’s reference suggests) actually be less inclined to do so.

And I dislike intensely Day 1 apathy, although that is, I suppose, standard for the Formster.

The Dread(ful) Pirate Roberta suggests that at least one of the “nonsense spouters” is likely a Wolf. Well, yes. Nearly half the passengers had posted at that point. Basic probability suggests that at least one Wolf, more likely two, was among them. But how does that help us? Or are you suggesting that Wolves are more likely to post nonsense at the start? Again, that doesn’t really help us, given the preponderance of piffle in the opening stages of the Day. Trying to look helpful without giving much away, are we?

Then some very early votes. Without any explanation as to why they are cast so early, I might add (although Lhuna’s time-zone affliction is duly acknowledged). Normally, I regard early voters as unlikely Wolves, as it is an unnecessarily attention-grabbing thing to do for a Wolf on Day 1. And so, while I note the possibility of a bluff, I regard mormegil’s early vote as an unlikely Wolf vote.

What does concern me, however, is these early votes for our esteemed slavedriver, without him having even said a word. Now, I can understand threatening to vote for him for humorous effect on the basis of past history or as an “in character” comment. But I am wary of anyone who actually votes so early for one who might be of great help to us, if innocent, with absolutely nothing to go on. Lhuna, perhaps (but only perhaps) can be excused because of her aforementioned malady. But not so Rune. Is he perhaps a Wolf picking up on the possibility of an early exit for one who might be dangerous to his pack?

And now Gurthang is muttering against Eomer too.

Although, if we are going to lynch Eomer, we should do so sooner rather than later. If he's a wolf, he always (and I do mean always) manages to wiggle out of getting lynched later in the game. Basically, if he's not lynched early, he won't be lynched at all... which is very bad for us if he is a lycan.Poor reasoning there, Plankmeister. We should not lynch Eomer sooner rather than later unless there is some basis upon which to justify doing so. The likelihood is he’s innocent. He may even be a Gifted. Are you mad, man?

Finally, Glirdan’s early vote for Kath. Not sure what to make of that, but it may have been that he had to cast his vote then or not at all and so went for an “in character” approach. I don’t like it, though.

Of course, those are really the only passengers who have stuck there head above the parapet, so to speak, so it is quite possible that there is not one Wolf among them. I am most definitely wary of this developing Eomer bandwagon, though.

*HONK! ‘E don’t ‘arf blather on. Don’t ‘e? HONK!*

I should add that I am with those who have suggested that we should lynch the Goose and serve him up as a nice roast dinner.

[The Saucepan Man]

An old salt like Potboiler wouldn't be above pulling such a bold double bluff ...And what double bluff, might that be, thou scurvy knave? Pray tell, for you have the advatage of me at present.

Gurthang's reference to 1 Corinthians 13 is also worrisome, but mildly.Might somone elucidate a poor agnostic such as myself? I assume it talks of lovers, but would welcome clarification on the point.

Aha! Nilp has voted for himself. All is right with the world. :D

[Lalaith]

Happy birthday for yesterday, good Sir Horatio.


Now, back to business. Firstly, some passengers have yet to appear above deck. The currently-at-risk slavedriver Eomer, plus I believe Findëasëa and Friedrich Engels. I share the reluctance voiced by Sir H and others to vote for those who have not yet had a chance to have their say, so I will not be casting my vote at the Kilted One today, tempting though it may be after past experience *shudder*.
I've also been having some thoughts about the wolves. Now, it is known that these creatures sometimes like to betray their own during lynch votes, in order to appear benign to the innocents. With the presence of the Lovers, this is going to be less likely - the wolves themselves will be very suspicious of treachery. So, (until the Lovers are unmasked, at least) I think voting records will be easier to read than usual.

[Anguirel]

Jenny accuses lots of us of "nonsense-spouting" and then says she's inclined to believe in Goosy Gander, a talking goose alter-ego. What?



Come to think of it, [B]morm's vote for Glirdan is mickle suspicious in that Glirdan is such a solid lynching option...likely to attract support, he thought?

Formendacil...well, wolves have done as he has done and been exposed before. Perhaps we should "take the bait" here. But in a way I'd rather explore more uncharted territory.

I take it the aforementioned Corinthians passage is "And the greatest of these is Love"? Just so it's in the open for those of us who are Biblically rusty...not that it should be cause for concern. A Lover wouldn't hint at their identity overtly or even risk a bluff, I'd say...trouble enough covering up their actions as it is.

So, some suspects. morm, Jenny, Rune. Am leaning towards an uneasy peace with the Sassenach and his bird at the moment.

[Lalaith]

Saucie, Ang. Really. Biblically rusty is neither here nor there. Anyone would have thought you'd never heard of google.

[Firefoot]

Might somone elucidate a poor agnostic such as myself? I assume it talks of lovers, but would welcome clarification on the point. Originally posted by I Corinithians 13
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8Love never fails. I'll be honest, no thought of lovers even crossed my mind here... I assumed he was just referring to the general situation.

And m'dog says lynch the goose. Not such a bad plan, maybe 'e's actually a wereduck in disguise... clever disguise, that. But I've seen stranger things. At least the duck's keeper seems to be talking sense, and that's always worth something on Day 1.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Ninjas rule! Pirates deserved to have their souls taken out by Shinigami!

*tries to do the Shikifuujin handseal, then realises he's not going to sacrifice his own soul just to get the pirates's (they probably don't have souls, enedwaith. :p )*

Jenny, Diamond, the Akatsuki will get you soon. Or maybe we'll be kind and let the Konoha ANBU take care of you. ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

With the presence of the Lovers, this is going to be less likely - the wolves themselves will be very suspicious of treachery. So, (until the Lovers are unmasked, at least) I think voting records will be easier to read than usual.Although, if they suspect one of their fellows as the traitor, it gives them more reason to vote for him or her. That said, in the early Days at least, I believe that you are correct.

Saucie, Ang. Really. Biblically rusty is neither here nor there. Anyone would have thought you'd never heard of google.I'm a sailor, not a surfer, m'dear. ;)

A Lover wouldn't hint at their identity overtly or even risk a bluff, I'd say...trouble enough covering up their actions as it is.Agreed. But might a Wolf hint at being the Lover in an attempt to catch the traitor in the pack? Risky, as he might be taken as the traitor himself by his fellows, and it attracts unwarranted attention. I still don't like his efforts at greasing the wheels of the Eomer bandwaggon, though.

Much as fear that the olive brach which he proffers might turn out to be a poisoned chalice, I am tempted to reciprocate Sir Anguirel's tentative trust for now.

[Anguirel]

Pirates, Ninjas, do pipe down, you're being dull.

Saucassanach, I feel some of your theories take too many mental leaps. We should also perhaps consider the possibility that Gurthang was choking*. But I do have some misgivings about his anti-Eomer stance. I can only explain it by the example of the anticipatory cowardice that has infected, say, Lhuna. They're sick of being beaten by Wolf Eomer and want to render him a Fenris Wolf...

*I meant joking. Weird and possibly prophetic mistake there...

[Anguirel]

A further glance at morm's behaviour-animosity towards the slaves, Rune and Kath, early on (before Rune's vote) and by implication (later more explicit) support of Eomer.

Definite spotlight on Glirdan for wholly in-character reasons. With votes irreversible, is this a way of starting a potentially powerful bandwagon while avoiding responsibility later in the day? Perhaps...

So. Possibly (though at this stage this is bound to be sketchy) in league with Eomer. But I don't have grounds for suspecting the latter, so morm might be trying to win an innocent's trust.

Time for another ballad.

A wolf I once knew, and a very rash wolf
The Dastard Anguirel 'twas named
He coseted, flattered and supported Fea
Until she was lynched and her village shamed
For after the Dastard was rendered dead wolf
His ally the maiden was feared
As another of that perfidious three
('Twas really the Dwarf with the beard).

So, yes. morm hoping to nab Eomer by guilt of association? Early days for telling yet...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I am used to such enmity in my profession, but as all good slavedrivers say: Someone's got to do it. The respectful (not to mention pretty) twain, Cailín and Nogrod, needed cold, bitter labour aboard this good ship. And don't Rune and Kath make excellent workers? Strong, hardy and true (well, maybe not given Rune's diabolical vote), but they are exactly what we need. Unless you fancy doing the hard work in their stead, I suggest we leave them be for the moment!

Mormegil, just between you and me, I'm not sure what the slaves' status is just now. The Captains did own them, but they are now deceased. If we ever get home, we must look through the paperwork and do some negotiations. Agreed?

I have come across this Lhunardawen many times on my travels, and she always takes a dislike to me. Not that I can remember doing her wrong in the past... ( :p )

How odd. Regardless, only an idealist should want to lynch me just now. I provide a necessary service on this voyage. And that's the truth.

*whips Rune* Back to work with ye, rascal!

As to today's exchanges, nothing has been too interesting. Although I would say that there are typical old-fashioned masks being hidden behind. Formendacil's "I hate Day One" rhetoric is always hard to make sense of; and Lhuna's "I vote for Eomer" is nearly as traditional. I would put Nilp in with these two but — for obvious reasons — his style is highly unwolvish.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Well, this is laughable.

Of course it's wolvish. I'm a wolf. Lynch me. :p

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I didn't see the negation prefix before 'wolvish.'

I'm still a wolf. Lynch me.

[JennyHallu]

Sauce, I referred to Goosey's assertation that you, yourself, were a wolf. You would not be the first I've seen declare himself thus. *coughFEAcough* However, the return of verbosity and aHEM soberness makes me trust you far more as the day goes on. Busy day, now, must get back to pillaging.

Oh! And the Biblical reference does worry me, but I do not think it means Gurthang is a Lover. Too obvious for that. I simply wonder at what might motivate him to hint that he is. And that reference is too pointedly a Lover hint for me to believe it to be anything else: it is the single most popular reading at weddings worldwide.

[Lalaith]

Eh? Eomer, unless I am going sea-crazy, said that Nilp's style was unwolvish, not wolvish.
Actually I disagree, it is neither wolvish nor unwolvish...merely Nilpish.

[the guy who be short]

Heil, Comrades...

Though this crew does have its own appeal, I fear Ich muss soon ausgehen*.

The murder of Cailin and Nogrod is, of course, entirely justified. What gives them the right to property of this ship? I, of course, own nothing.

These clothes you see upon me? Er. Well... they are the people's clothes. I do not hold them to be mine.

In any case, do not change the subject! Let us view the case objectively. These werewolves, I say, are driven to murder by the inequality inherent in naval life! If amnesty were extended to the oppressed slaves and underlings of our society, perhaps they would not have to murder simply for a morsel of food.

As it is, the proletariat must unite with the wolves to overthrow both the slaveowning capitalists - Eomer - and the pathetically outdated nobility in the form of Anguirel and SpM (and we can eat his goose).

Come join me, Kath, Rune and ye oppressed!

++EOMER

And the gentry are next... Let us establish a new seaborne society of wolves and men living in brotherhood!


*I must go out soon.

[Durelin]

Oh, Durelin, are you sure you're not using Shoten no Jutsu.

Who needs more bodies to lynch?

Until next time, Itachi-san?

Bah!

Why not take care of you now?

++Nilp

Stay out of this everyone...this is ninja business. *shifty-eye-movement + kunai twirling*

[Anguirel]

What I always find so amusing about peasant rebels is that they preach equality and so on, but if one happens to be born or to have won by volour a high rank, one apparently does not qualify as a member of this wondrous equal society...

Most cunning of the wolves. Next they'll send for Vladimir Ilyich to cripple our war effort. I may be tempted to help dispose of Nilp in an effort to preserve Eomer should this situation continue...

[The Saucepan Man]

Sauce, I referred to Goosey's assertation that you, yourself, were a wolf. You would not be the first I've seen declare himself thus.Ah, I get yer drift, mistress pirate. But Goosey Gander is no double bluffing alter ego. He is a mere whim, a device created for the sole purpose of tomfoolery.

*HONK! He lies! I live! I am telling the truth! He is bluffing! HONK!*

You see. Pure tomfoolery. ;)

However, the return of verbosity and aHEM soberness makes me trust you far more as the day goes on.While you are right to trust me, it is perhaps worth noting that verbosity and soberness do not necessarily equate to innocence.

Actually I disagree, it is neither wolvish nor unwolvish...merely Nilpish.'Tis indeed Nilpish and, as such, might be either wolvish or unwolvish. Problem is, we have no way of telling which. Yet, despite his shifty ninja ways, Nilp may come good in the ensuing Days. I am prepared to lay off him - for now.

And the gentry are next... Let us establish a new seaborne society of wolves and men living in brotherhood!But this is pure madness! This socialist rabble-rouser seeks to turn on his fellow passengers and ally himself with the foul beasts of the night. Or perhaps he is one of them himself. And yet, I suspect that the last thing that a Wolf would wish to do would be to associate himself with the baseless Eomer bandwaggon. If so, then I fear that his misguided idealism is at odds with the practical realities of our situation.

The voting currently stands as follows:

Morm-->Glirdan
Lhuna-->Eomer
Rhune-->Eomer
Glirdan-->Kath
Nilp-->Nilp
Engels-->Eomer
Durelin-->Nilp

Glirdan-1, Kath-1, Eomer-3, Nilp-2

And nary a reasoned vote in sight. :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

Hmm. If I were a Wolf on Day 1, I would do my best to lie low, blend in, act normally and avoid attracting undue attention. Perhaps throw out a few theories or ideas, but nothing that might lead back to my pack-fellows or later serve as a hostage to fortune.

Those who, to my mind, most closely fit this description at the moment are:

Lalaith
Taliesin
Holbytlass
Caranlondien
and
Firefoot

It’s always the least likely ones as turns out to be Wolves in my experience. I suspect that there is at least one Wolf in the above list. Problem is that the majority are likely innocent. I will away to ponder and return anon with my vote.

[Lalaith]

Nilp may come good in the ensuing Days
As indeed, could that skirt-wearing slave-driver, if he is not a lupine. The same could be said, mind you, of most of the crew.
I must soon vote and depart, and I find I have little to go on. These Day One blues can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. They do not have to be this way (as our gallant late co-captain will vouch).
Now, I find myself, as I struggle with such paucity of material, turning my admittedly nebulous suspicion to the effete stowaway who began this talk of Day One boredom: Formendacil. I feel like my bluff is being called and I don't feel comfortable about it.
Nor do I feel entirely comfortable with this Eomer bandwaggon, which got underway before the man even had time to arrive and defend himself.
I could vote for Nilp in a bid to halt it, but I don't really feel comfortable with that either: I would prefer, to use a good nautical phrase, to wait and see the cut of his jib.
I will hold on for as long as I can - but I will have to cast my vote within the hour.

[Holbytlass]

Wesla(dia)mond:accuses Eomer, suggests ganging up on Eomer, suspects SpM for wanting to keep Eomer
*seems more on fun side for now

Sir Anguirel:disagrees with Formen about not catching wolf on first day, claims to have "gotten acquainted" with Eomer;blasts those who vote for Eomer before speaking; suspect list:Morm Jenny Rune, uneasy peace with SpM; misgivings of Gurthang's antiEomer; speculating about Eomer/Morm league
*chumy with Eomer but his defence of Eomer seems more about being fair than in league. very good poems/ballads

Formendacilthesnob: suicidal (sort of) claims to have "job" now
*this actually doesn't sit right with me

Glirdanthedrunk: points to Kath; asks for eye be kept on Gurthang; votes Kath
*not much to go on here

NilpJinkihunter: votes self; declres himself wolf "lynch me"
*no surprises here

Eomerslavedriver:not surprised about animosity towards himself
*nothing to go on

Fridrich Engels:joined the oppressed voted Eomer
*maybe doesn't have time or clever wolf

Durelinjoinininstructor:makes appearance;licks lips about goose;votes Nilp about ninja business (says to stay out)
*the weird thought crossed my mind that these two might be the lovers and Nilp be the wolf and she's being suicidal with him

Gurthangplankman: gives biblical love hint; suspects Glirdan Caran Durelin Jenny (says only first day stuff);suspects Taliesin for bring new suggests to lynch Eomer now not later
*could be bold wolfish behavior (not an original idea)

Kathslave: plots to kill Eomer
*nothing so far


will finish the others and only got to post 64

[Diamond18]

And Diamond fancies herself the Dread Pirate Roberta, well I'm sorry dear but that just doesn't sound dreadful to me. It sounds more campy and fun, but I'll take you seriously for a moment *snickering* well if you are the true dread pirate roberta those WW better be careful because their up against...*hysterically laughing* Oh I just can't do it. I can't possible take a pirate who calls herself Roberta seriously. :p

Well, m'dear Morm -- really, if you are going to take up verbal nitpicking, you may also want to take up reading. My name is Weslamond and I am merely DPR's protégé, not Roberta herself.

And to the ninjas -- funny that you should have created and perpetuated a ninja/pirate rivalry without the help of me or, as far as I can see, Roberta. Odd.

Anyways. All this roleplaying has been rather fun to read through since it's all quite clever, and I do rather agree with Anguirel that it's part of the attraction of Werewolf and shouldn't be disparaged. Still, at this point, after a single read-through I don't have much to go on. I would read over again to look for wolfish slips, but I haven't the time. So, all I know so far is that Morm and Sauce are being annoying and Eomer is getting most of the votes.

Well, this is my chance to vote, so:

+ + EOMER

Shouldn't surprise anyone who played Dueling Wizards. The lad is fiendish, I tell you. Fiendish.

[Anguirel]

Arrrgh!

Well, I too must vote early. I have two choices-follow my actual suspicions and vote morm, Form or Rune (Form replaced Jenny who now looks more reasonable); or vote Nilp in a desperate and probably fruitless attempt to save Eomer, who is patently being grudge-lynched!

Well, gulp, a Scot's got to do what a Scot's got to do.

++NILP

[Lalaith]

I've got to leave now. I've thought it over, and (particularly with so little to go on) I can't really justify voting for one person I don't particularly suspect (Nilp) to save another person I don't particularly suspect (Eomer). Or vice versa. So I'll go with my original suspicion:


+FORMENDACIL

[Holbytlass]

Runecrazyslave: obsesses about cheese;joins bandwoagon votes Eomer
*at this point just see vote as easy way out

Mormynitpick: votes Glirdan-doesn't undrstand talk; agrees with Anguirel about leaving Eoemr alone till he speaks
*other than not good reason vote, nothing here

Lhunabarfarama: suggests Firefoot and Gurthang are the lovers; wolves are Firefoot Fineasea Talisien Frederich(TGWBS);votes Eomer
*Eomer bandwagon

JennyRoberta: calls all to focus-beleives a wolf has posted (up to 22); suspects SpM based on bluffing with goose;trusts SpM because of soberness; questions why Gurthang put lover hint-says a real loverwould be quieter.
* I find it odd that she wonders why Gurthang puts lover hint in and then in same post(44) puts in more true love talk between herself and Diamond.

Caranbartender:bar joke banter
*nothing to go on

Taliesincriminal: wants to kill Glirdan for being drunk; doesn't trust SpM Rune defends Eomer;wants Capt's bed
*nothing here

Lalaithfutballwidow: finds Formen and Gurthang odd;suggests voting record will be easier cause wolves will be suspicious of treachery also; says Nilp is being Nilp
*at least is thinking of ways lovers could actually help village

Firefootdogtotting: dog suggests lynch pirates;says SpM talking sense
*nothing to go on

rearadmirableSpM: loads of clever fluff and buffoonery;calls on Formen's possible bluff; suspicious of Rune and Gurthang for Eomer vote/bandwagon; agrres with Lalaith of lovers treachery and early voting record could help village.; reciprocates Anguriel's trust (for now)
*I would be inclined to trust early on but that d*amn goose and the possible blatant bluff

Findseasea: no posts
*wouldn't waste a vote 'cause bolt of ligtening would take care of this passenger if no show tomorrow;


again, analyzed just to post 64

[Findëasëa]

Ack, this ship is the worst workplace I have seen in all my years. Murder, slavery, werewolves, and a goose! (If my boss ever saw the state of things here...) On second thought, I guess there are some cheery points, like seclusion…

There have been a few things that I have found interesting so far.

Yes, it is day one, so some degree of joking about lynches and randomness is to be expected, but it seems that the lynch of Eomer could be a great way for a wolf to hide on day one. I also find Eomer’s response to the votes interesting.

Eomer- As to today's exchanges, nothing has been too interesting. Although I would say that there are typical old-fashioned masks being hidden behind. Formendacil's "I hate Day One" rhetoric is always hard to make sense of; and Lhuna's "I vote for Eomer" is nearly as traditional. I would put Nilp in with these two but — for obvious reasons — his style is highly unwolvish.

He makes a valid point, it would be quite easy for any of these people to just act as they tend to on day one to hide their newfangled fangs. I do not think that this will cause me to vote for anyone today, but I think it might be useful later in the game when we have more information to go on.

I will go review more and vote in a bit.

[JennyHallu]

* I find it odd that she wonders why Gurthang puts lover hint in and then in same post(44) puts in more true love talk between herself and Diamond.
"True Love" talk concerning Diamond was a Princess Bride based joke, like both of our occupations, and not one that would imply I was involved with her. In the movie, the Dread Pirate Roberts spares Wesley's life because he claims he has a True Love waiting for him at home.

My confusion concerning Gurthang involved why he would hint that he himself is a Lover. Wild suspicions of others being Lovers are par for the course.;) :rolleyes:

[Caranlondien]

Well, Eomer and Nilp are in the lead, but I can't say they look very suspicious to me. Of course, no one really does; it's Day 1 and hard to find anything to go by.

So far I'm inclined to trust SpM (due in part to past un-called for lynchings). I probably won't be back toDay, so I'll vote:

++JennyHallu

just because I know how fiendish she can be as a wolf (erm, orc, that is...) Not a great reason for a vote, but the best I can do so far.

Morm-->Glirdan
Lhuna-->Eomer
Rhune-->Eomer
Glirdan-->Kath
Nilp-->Nilp
Engels-->Eomer
Durelin-->Nilp
Diamond-->Eomer
Anguirel-->Nilp
Lalaith-->Form
Caran-->JennyHallu

Glirdan-1, Kath-1, Eomer-4, Nilp-3, Form 1, JennyHallu 1

[Firefoot]

I can't say that anyone is looking particularly suspicious to me.

++Nilp

Just because we're never going to figure him out unless he's lynched...

[Findëasëa]

Lalaith- I've also been having some thoughts about the wolves. Now, it is known that these creatures sometimes like to betray their own during lynch votes, in order to appear benign to the innocents. With the presence of the Lovers, this is going to be less likely - the wolves themselves will be very suspicious of treachery. So, (until the Lovers are unmasked, at least) I think voting records will be easier to read than usual.

I may be misunderstanding the role, but I thought that both lovers have to be left alive at the end of the game, and since one is a werewolf and the village can only win when all werewolves are dead. This means that the werewolves will have to win for the lovers to win. If the lovers are on the side of the wolves, they are just an additional person for the wolves to use to cause confusion. I imagine that a wolf being sacrificed to benefit the team overall is probably something that wolves plan ahead of time, or only in a dire case. I don’t think that the lovers will cause treachery among the wolves. I don’t think that it will make the record any easier to read, but harder, as there are five people out there working for the victory of the wolves and to cause confusion.

edit- spelling correction

[Holbytlass]

Right now my suspect list would be:
Formendacil-'don't kill me, I have a job"
Nilp/Durelin-suicidal lovers?
SpM-that goose!
jenny-points out real lover would be quiet than has True Love talk in her post
Gurthang-biblical love verse

All of these people have things in their posts that seem to be bluffing-some blatantly out there and some in my mind.

[Durelin]

Hmm...All is going according to my ninja plans?

Wouldn't it be lovely if we lynched his shadow clone... :rolleyes:

Actually I would've preferred to lynch Mr. Gander.

I do enjoy my fowl. Roasted, preferably.

[The Saucepan Man]

The time has come for me to vote. And unfortunately there's not a great deal to go on.

I'm sticking with my earlier list of "under the radar" types. And I have narrowed it down further. Lalaith seems to be committing herself more in what she says and Taliesin has not returned since earlier in the Day.

So it's between Firefoot, Caran and Holbytlass. Firefoot and Caran have established a presence but actually said little of substance. However, both have given fairly weak reasoning for their votes and I can't help but think that a Wolf would try to do more to justify her vote (even on Day 1).

Holby, on the other hand, has said more of substance but remained fairly non-committal. Some flim-flam in her first post, followed by a list of votes so far and little else. Then some blow-by-blow analyses of what each passenger has said. Some analysis, but doesn't commit herself. All ways in which a Wolf can maintain herself as part of the discussion without giving too much away. And I am suspicous of the way that she is seeking to justify her suspicions by reference to supposed "bluffs" that were largely part of the "in character" banter.

Yup. The whale hunter gets my vote today. As I said, it's no job for a lady, so I can only assume that she has supernatural strength on her side.

+ + HOLBYTLASS

And now I am off to bag the Captain's cabin, and so bid you all adieu.

[Findëasëa]

I see Lalaith’s point now. Since the lovers are working for their own benefit foremost, they may be less subtle when it comes to voting in order to protect their lover’s life and their own. It still seems to me that both of their second loyalties lay with the wolves, however, so this may still cloud the clarity of the voting record. I didn’t find much to go on that would warrant a strong vote for anyone, most of the discussion today was, although quite amusing, altogether inconclusive. I find Glirdan’s actions a bit suspicious, but I am not sure that a wolf would risk being so bold. He stayed in character in his posts and made a nonsense vote. I would imagine that a werewolf might be a bit more wary of not saying anything of value. I do not want to rule him out as suspect, but I don’t want to vote for him today.

[Taliesin]

Well well, time to get more serious.

I'm not going to follow this Eomer bandwagon just because of his job,
it seems rather silly to kill someone who might be a good asset to the village for roleplaying reasons.

SpM is the loudest, most helpful villager so far. It seems rather safe to follow him, except the fact that I don't like being on the Saucie's list of doom ;) . Then again, my memory is telling me not to trust SpM too early. If he's on our side, great.. if he's not however, he is very dangerous to have around too long.

Voting for Nilp on a day one seems like the easiest option, but there's always the argument that he gets more usefull after the first day. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and see for myself is that's true. And the Durelin / Nilp tension, meh, I wouldn't give it too much attention.

I may be misunderstanding the role, but I thought that both lovers have to be left alive at the end of the game, and since one is a werewolf and the village can only win when all werewolves are dead. This means that the werewolves will have to win for the lovers to win.

I think this is the case. If one lover dies, the other goes down with him/her. So naturally both lovers have to be left alive. So it is in the werewolves favour to let the lovers stay alive.

That's it for now, I'll be back just before the deadline to cast a vote. I'm off daydreaming for a bit.

*walks away.. mumbling something about 'goal'...*

edit: xposted with everyone since #80

[Holbytlass]

Morm-->Glirdan
Lhuna-->Eomer
Rhune-->Eomer
Glirdan-->Kath
Nilp-->Nilp
Engels-->Eomer
Durelin-->Nilp
Diamond-->Eomer
Anguirel-->Nilp
Lalaith-->Form
Caran-->JennyHallu
Firefoot-->Nilp
Spm-->Holby

Glirdan-1, Kath-1, Eomer-4, Nilp-4, Form 1, JennyHallu-1, Holby-1

I won't be back so will have to vote now. The voting for Eomer is spite to me for past grievances so I will break the tie and vote

++Nilp

Duerlin's playing with Nilp is one thing but her actual vote for him is another. While I would rather vote Durelin, I;m not going to add another name to the list. I think there is something going on between them. I know I'll be in the hotseat tomorrow for breaking the tye but I won't sit here and watch a person go down just for past greivances.

[JennyHallu]

I'm very unsure of whom to vote for. I am absolutely against both the Eomer and Nilp bandwagons, as I don't see enough reason to vote for either of them right now. Both bandwagons seem fishy to me, and tomorrow I shall be taking a very close look at who's on them.

Frankly, the group that urged and nagged Eomer to play with the full intention of getting him purposelessly lynched Day 1 irks me. Unless they've got a reason to think him wolvish...which I haven't once seen...that's really just kind of rude.

[JennyHallu]

DON'T VOTE NILP, guys. Not without at least a smidgeon of evidence against him!

I think Eomer likely innocent as well.

Therefore, I'm following Saucie's lead, especially since I felt her analysis misconstrued some of what was said today.

++Holby

If all those who have yet to vote join us, we can save both Nilp and Eomer!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Mormegil for Glirdan. Says that his posting style is annoying. Nothing to go on at that point, I suppose. As has been pointed out though, Glirdan is a likely vote-getter in any case.

Lhuna for Eomer. Lhuna always votes for me. It seems quite unfair, especially as I had not posted at that point.

Rune for Eomer. The succeeding post to Lhuna's vote. May be telling.

Glirdan for Kath. For no reason. Throwing his vote away, perhaps to seem random and individual.

Nilp for Nilp. He's not a wolf because he knows that the village will leap on a Nilp-bandwagon, because it's so easy for the village to do that.

TGWBS for Eomer. In character. Somewhat dangerous to do this, though, because of the building momentum.

Durelin for Nilp. A nice, easy vote.

Diamond for Eomer. Petty, childish and envious. :p

Anguirel for Nilp. Explicitly wants to save me. This is fair as I will probably be more useful than The Suicidal One.

Lalaith for Formendacil. She might suspect him because of his lazy attitude to the first Day.

Caranlondien for Jenny. Apparently because she would make a good wolf.

Firefoot for Nilp. Exasperated vote.

SPM for Holby. Probably because of these classic recap posts Holby is fond of.

Holby for Nilp. Usual reasons.


So what do I think of the votes so far? The Eomer-bandwagon is bitter, twisted, and very possibly contains a couple of dark, furry secrets. Out of the Eomer-voters, I am inclined to say that Diamond is most likely to be innocent, because she was always going to vote for me anyway (due to the last game).

The Nilp-bandwagon is more justified. After all, he did vote for himself. Still an easy place to hide, though.

Of the others, Glirdan's for Kath and Caran's for Jenny seem the most suspicious to me.

Glirdan or Caran, Glirdan and Caran. Hmm...

[Formendacil]

Okay, I'd really like to say that the reason I've been so quiet today has been Day 1 antipathy... but someone (*mutters about the evil that is plumber*) cut our phone line, and I'm writing this from the public library...

If things go poorly, I may be a virtual Alcarillo for the next couple (or more) days. If they go well, I'll be back to normal for Day 2- including a bit more verbose.

Bit of a pity since this Day 1 actually looks somewhat fun... useless for actually lynching a wolf at this time, of course (unless by blind luck or stupidity on the lupine part, as I've said many a time)- but fun all the same. The whole pirates/ninja debate is most amusing, and it's good to see Nilp on form again. The good Catholic in me hates to see a noble tradition die. :p

Now, this day being nearer its end than its beginning, and being the good voting citizen that I am, now is a good time to vote.

++ Lalaith

Because she voted for me.

Yes, it's incriminating.

It's also Day 1.

'tis the best evidence I've got... she's the only person I know who's voting for a known innocent.

[JennyHallu]

Terribly suspicious, Form, that you both praise Nilp and do nothing to help him. Now today's kill shall be either Eomer or Nilp with no way out. Village! You're making a terrible mistake!

Eomer's being lynched out of spite, and Nilp in the biggest example of misapplied logic I've seen today! (And I work for the Army...so that's saying something) How often does Nilp self-vote? Every time! How often is he a wolf? No more than anyone else!

*sigh* I'm going to go put a claim in on the Captain's cabin. Weslamond, guard the door, will you?

[Findëasëa]

I don’t think that Holby is particularly guilty looking. Her approach today was not one that I believe that a wolf would take. She just seemed honest to me. I do not think that Nilp or Eomer have acted guilty either, as such, I don’t feel that I can vote for any of these people. Of all of the people I looked at, I feel that Lalaith seemed to best fit the pattern of behavior that I would expect from a wolf on day one. She was helpful and managed to maintain a presence. I am not sure about her, but as of yet she is my best suspect.

++Lalaith

[Formendacil]

Terribly suspicious, Form, that you both praise Nilp and do nothing to help him. Now today's kill shall be either Eomer or Nilp with no way out. Village! You're making a terrible mistake!

It's Day 1.

I take that as a justification to be inconsistent.

And if Nilp wants to go... who am I to argue with him? He may even be telling the truth. :rolleyes:

[JennyHallu]

Day 1 is the dumbest excuse for carelessness ever. Gah! Day 1s can be productive if you use them productively and don't just tralalalally your way into a whirlpool.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Still another four votes to come. Because no-one seems likely to vote for an Eomer-voter yet (although TGWBS and especially Rune are looking suspicious to me) I suggest that we all vote off Glirdan. He already has a vote from Morm.

His vote for Kath seems far too safe. He can argue that it's a random vote; and it wasn't too likely that a Kath-bandwagon would start up. Case in point: If I'm lynched, everyone looks accusingly at Lhuna, who started the Eomer-bandwagon. Lhuna knew that she was taking a big risk in voting for me (because of the likely bandwagon) and that's why I think her probably innocent, now.

Glirdan is trying to avoid a pitfall, and, while an innocent could do this, it seems pretty sneaky to me.

[JennyHallu]

Won't work. Nilp already has 5 votes.

Only course is for all to vote for Lalaith, I guess.

EDIT: Or Holby.

[Kath]

I'm sorry I'm not going to vote today. I've had the most awful day and I haven't even looked at this throughout it and any vote would be completely random which I'm not happy doing.

I'm going to bed now and I will (hopefully) have a better day tomorrow so I can start this properly.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Right. Well, I don't especially want to vote for Lalaith so it appears as though Nilp is doomed. Brought on by himself and ably assisted by the village.

[JennyHallu]

Well and Kath's not voting.

The village is making a mistake. He's obviously innocent, he usually is. Argh.

[Gurthang]

Well, I haven't had time to read everything just yet. I've gotten a quick skim, seen the voting and the vote tallies, but that's about it. I have read up to... 52 or somewhere close to that.

I made the "Lover hint" to see if anyone would bite on it. The closest thing to a bite I saw was Lalaith. And that wasn't much more than saying I looked suspicious to her for doing it, which is only slightly what I was looking for. Still, on Day 1, that might be the best I can come up with.

The thing about Eomer is this: if he's a wolf and lives through the first couple days, he'll survive until the end. Or until the Seer dreams of him and reveals. So what I was trying to say, is that, well... it's sort of hard to put into words. Basically, if we want to lynch him, it will have to be in the first few days, because after that it just will not happen. If we don't want to lynch him, which is how I'm actually leaning, then my comment doesn't matter.

I'll try to skim through again before voting.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I usually die in the first half of games. But this is silly. Why would you vote for me solely because of my being a successful wolf in previous games?

[Gurthang]

++Diamond18

I skimmed through as much as possible. It's between Eomer and Nilp, and I don't want either of them to go. Seeing as I can't save them, I'm voting for one of the Eomer bandwagoners.

I was thinking of voting Lalaith, but couldn't find anything in her posts to make me really want to.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Will vote anyway.

++GLIRDAN

[Taliesin]

I'm back, just in time I hope.

It seems like it boils down to Eomer or Nilp. I wouldn't say any of them did something that would make them suspicious, however..
after it seemed clear that Eomer was a likely lynching target, JennyHallu goes through everything to defend him. Perhaps she just wants a good player like Eomer around for a while, but it sounds like a wolf trying to rescue another wolf.

So,

++Eomer

Sorry if I'm wrong, I don't got much to go on now.

[Cailín]

After the passengers recovered from the shock of poor Cailín’s untimely death (which strangely did not take them very long), they immediately started pointing fingers at each other.

“Eomer is guilty. We all know it,” said Weslamond triumphantly.

“I’m bored,” said Formendacil.

“Yeah,” said Kath smugly. “Eomer should go.”

“I am not sure… what do you think, Sir Horatio?” asked Firefoot.

“Honk,” replied Sir Horatio, too busy arguing with his disloyal Goose to make much sense.

“Don’t listen to the Sassenach!” came in Anguirel. “I make prettier poetry.”

Between barfing, Lhuna looked up, confused. “Eomer? Yes, whatever. Let’s get some people of this ship, fast.”

“What did I do this time?” asked Eomer.

“You never gave me cheese,” said Rune.

“What do you need cheese for anyway?” asked Taliesin

“*hic*”, said Glirdan. Someone managed to interpret it as an accusation in the direction of Kath.

“Lynch all pirates!” yelled Nilp. “I go first, though.”

“Don’t trust the ninjas!” yelled Roberta and Weslamond. “Especially the suicidal ones.”

“Anyone paying attention to me? I am STILL bored!” said Form.

In the end, they decided to be lenient and allow Nilpaurion Felagund his dramatic Day 1 lynch. Gurthang expertly led him to the plank (ignoring the strange gestures Nilp was making with his hands) and the passengers gathered round to see the villain’s exit.

“Wait!” said Nilp. “I wish to have a fight with that Jounin Instructor first! Must… show… off… Ninja… moves.”

“Sorry,” said Holby. “We really don’t have time for that.”

“All right then,” spoke Nilp resignedly and he jumped into the deeps. Strangely, nothing seemed to happen. Until from the starboard side of the ship, there came a gasp of exasperation. Nilpaurion had surfaced again… “I probably should have mentioned my excellent skills of protection,” he said, gasping for breath, before he disappeared, never to surface again.

It seemed the passengers were remarkably adept at killing those who might be able to protect them…

Despite his doubtful appearance, Nilp was their Ranger.

---

Captain Cailín’s Log

Some particularly dense people decided to kill Nilp. What the real miracle is, however, is that I still live. How about that?

Eomer of the Rohirrim



~The dead ~
Nogrod – sub-mod, ripped into pieces of flesh and bones by the werewolves on Night1
Cailín – mod, forced to walk the plank at the end of Night1/ the beginning of Day1
Nilpaurion Felagund – ranger, lynched himself at the end of Day1

~The living ~
Durelin -- eye-borrowing Jounin instructor
Caranlondien -- ships's bartender
Holbytlass -- whale hunter
Findëasëa -- Occupational health and safety specialist
Lhunardawen -- seasick reluctant traveler
Kath -- plotting slave
JennyHallu -- Dread Pirate Roberta
Lalaith -- Football Widow
Diamond18 -- Weslamond, the Dread Pirate Roberta's protégé
Firefoot -- wandering traveller with a dog that dislikes pirates

Gurthang -- Plank Operator
Formendacil -- Ne'er-do-well stowaway of snobbish, blue-blooded origins
Rune Son of Bjarne -- crazy slave, with an obsession for cheese
Mormegil -- the vocal nitpick who can find fault in anything
Taliesin -- criminal who was set adrift
Saucepan Man -- Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Potboiler
Sir Anguirel Spens (Anguirel)
Eomer of the Rohirrim -- slavedriver
Glirdan -- drunken porter
Friedrich Engels (the guy who be short)


Night 2 has now started. Nogrod and I need names from the Seer and the Wolves. Sleep well, my pretties.

[Cailín]

After Nilp had passed away, the passengers felt strangely unprotected. Some of them were determined to stay awake; not to fall prey to the horrible wolves that prowled the ship. However, after sitting up for several hours, the spell of fatigue caught them all.

It was Eomer of the Rohirrim who had decided to take the Captain’s cabin after a short argument. After all, he was now virtually the only one who had subordinates on the ship and so appeared to have a rightful claim to it. He also seemed to be one of the few who had no objections to sleep in a bed that had contained a corpse for a large part of the previous Night and Day.

After several hours of delightful snoozing, Eomer woke up to a suspicious sound. As the door to the cabin opened with a typically Hollywood creak, Eomer caught sight of four furry shapes standing in the dark. He remained quite unfazed.

“What wolf would kill me?” he mumbled, annoyed they had intruded on his sleep. “As long as I’m around, I get to take the blame for everything that goes wrong around here.”

The wolves entered one by one, their eyes glistening threateningly.

“I am actually one of you, you know,” stated Eomer. “I have to be. I always am.”

The wolves snarled and approached yet closer.

“Come on, everyone seems to think so. It will be amusing!”

They disagreed.

As the sun came up in the west, the passengers woke up one by one. Sir Anguirel Spens tried to lead a headcount but was immediately distracted by a gleeful whoop coming from Kath’s direction.

“I mean, how utterly distressing,” she quickly corrected herself.

The passengers, still confused, looked up in the direction she was pointing. There, high above them, one of the sails had been replaced by quite a gruesome spectacle. Former slavedriver Eomer of the Rohirrim was stretched to quite inhuman proportions and tied to the main topmast where his body now was almost billowing in the wind.

“Ugh,” commented Lhuna, trying hard not to sound tearful.

Even Dread Pirate Roberta had to gulp at the sight.

--

Captain Cailín’s Log

Mu-ha-ha-ha. Let’s hope he’ll give us Godspeed.

Signed,

The Wolves


~The dead ~
Nogrod – sub-mod, ripped into pieces of flesh and bones by the werewolves on Night1
Cailín – mod, forced to walk the plank at the end of Night1/ the beginning of Day1
Nilpaurion Felagund – ranger, lynched himself at the end of Day1
Eomer of the Rohirrim – ordinary passenger, replaced the main topmast during Night2


~The living ~
Durelin -- eye-borrowing Jounin instructor
Caranlondien -- ships's bartender
Holbytlass -- whale hunter
Findëasëa -- Occupational health and safety specialist
Lhunardawen -- seasick reluctant traveler
Kath -- plotting slave
JennyHallu -- Dread Pirate Roberta
Lalaith -- Football Widow
Diamond18 -- Weslamond, the Dread Pirate Roberta's protégé
Firefoot -- wandering traveller with a dog that dislikes pirates

Gurthang -- Plank Operator
Formendacil -- Ne'er-do-well stowaway of snobbish, blue-blooded origins
Rune Son of Bjarne -- crazy slave, with an obsession for cheese
Mormegil -- the vocal nitpick who can find fault in anything
Taliesin -- criminal who was set adrift
Saucepan Man -- Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Potboiler
Sir Anguirel Spens (Anguirel)
Glirdan -- drunken porter
Friedrich Engels (the guy who be short)



Day 2 has now started. Nogrod will be away on a trip and will not return before Sunday night, so all questions / Hunter changees / kills can be directed to just me for a while.

[Durelin]

Argh!

I told you to stay out of any ninja business! :p

Wow, I really thought that was a throw-away vote... :rolleyes:

[Glirdan]

Well whadda ya know! That was a sur....actually, no. It isn't a surprise. He's too smart for the Wolves to leave around for long.

Anyway, I must go and find rum before I get to sobber to think straight! I shall be back later (hopefully) with my thoughts.

[Firefoot]

First off, what was Nilp thinking!? Urgh.

Second, why ever would the wolves kill Eomer now? He was practically a prime candidate for lynching. Now, later in the game, when thoughts of lynching him have died down, that would make sense... but now? I'm rather confused, and will have to think more about that later.

I'll be away for a couple hours now, back later...

[Findëasëa]

Poor Eomer. I think that the wolves thought that Eomer was the hunter, because Nilp did not reveal himself as the ranger, and since they know who each other are, it would make sence if he did not reveal in order to protect the hunter.

Edit: changed "seer" to "hunter"

[Lalaith]

why ever would the wolves kill Eomer now
A question I've been asking myself, too...the only thing that makes sense is that they thought he was the Seer. But why, I wonder?

[Lalaith]

Findesea - it is the Hunter and the Ranger (Nilp) who were in cahoots, the Seer operates alone.

[Findëasëa]

Sorry, that was a Typo.

[Gurthang]

Well, that sucks.

I sure hope Nilp is happy. I've seen him gifted before, and he at least didn't get himself lynched then. Although, he didn't really do anything unusual this time.

Well, at least we don't have to worry about Eomer anymore. I'm sorta sad that he's gone because he can be a huge asset, but really, we would have spent the rest of his existance arguing about him. If you ask me, the wolves almost did us a favor. Almost.

Anyway, if I have time, I'll be looking primarily at the Nilp and Eomer voters. I really didn't like how it played out between the two of them, voting wise, I mean.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Eomer is dead, this is not good at all, I really don't know what to think.

Give me a minute and I will return with my thougth's about this and maybe about a person or two. . . .

[Formendacil]

Hmm... Nilp the Ranger dead is NOT a good thing... (You should ALL have joined me in my anti-Lalaith tirade :p ). Eomer dead..... that's really odd.

One obvious guess here is that the Wolves wanted to through us into mass confusion... and take out a dangerous player while they're at it. Eomer struck very close to the mark in the last Lovers game, which between those two facts suggests a veteran of several games...

I'm tempted to say Lhuna on that score... but that's just because she has an ongoing WW vendetta with Eomer that she always seems to come off the worse on... and this being Day 2, it's a little late for such things...

Hmmm....

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if at least one Wolf, probably the one who suggested to the other wolves that they kill Eomer, was one of the voters for him yesterday...

Hmm... must off to meditate... be back later.

[Formendacil]

I sure hope Nilp is happy. I've seen him gifted before, and he at least didn't get himself lynched then. Although, he didn't really do anything unusual this time.

Day 1, Gurthang.... Nilp has almost ALWAYS done it.... if he hadn't this time, us veterans would wonder if he's a wolf... and lynch him anyway...

[Anguirel]

The Wolf sits in Dunferline toune
Drinking the blude-ried wine:
'O quhar will I get a guid topsail,
To sail this schip of mine?'
Up and spank an eldern beast,
Sat at the Wolf's richt knee
'Sir Eomer is the best topsail,
That billows upon the sea.'

Alas. Eomer had a stout heart and a true mind and his survival was the only thin compensation we had for the untimely loss of our Ranger.

We need to take down his poor mangled body and give it a sea burial as befits a noble Scot, and to find a new topsail. Anyone got spare shirts?

Ahem. The Clan MacNilp should really give up their Day 1 custom. It does them good neither as wolves nor heroic Gifted Ones. Sad to say what looks on the outside to be but a small loss can in truth be a crippling one. Was it mischance that slew him, or design? Yet Eomer too was innocent, we should remember. In the eyes of the wolves, Eomer and Nilp were equally suitable targets, but Eomer doubtless seemed the more able to aid the village. Ironic.

But the wolves, knowing of Eomer and Nilp's innocence, may have contrived to create lesser bandwagons and duck lynching guilt altogether. This, I suppose, makes Gurthang, Saucie and maybe Jenny, for example, more suspicious.

So we will perhaps find wolves in both majorbandwagons-and outside them. So far so unhelpful As for this new murder, who did Eomer suspect and to what extent? His persuasive powers were such that the wolves need not have thought him definitively a Seer to have feared him if he was already moving towards them. And therein could lie valuable clues.

[mormegil]

++Anguirel

I'm fairly convinced of his guilt. Yesterday I saw a major contradiction in him and the Eomer kill makes perfect sense for him as well. I was not defending Eomer, merely I was saying that we shouldn't attack somebody because of 'tradition' especially when he hadn't arrived. Ang is an intelligent fellow and knew what I meant yet turned it around and tried to twist what I said, yet he did the exact thing he found suspicious of me doing; buddying up to Eomer. I attacked Eomer's slaves not defending Eomer. Anguirel on the other hand fairly overtly buddied up to him. He claimed my vote of Glirdan an attempt to get a bandwagon going...HA! At that point nobody had said anything and I didn't even give a good reason. I saw Ang subtlely attempting to spin off suspicion onto me. Now he's trying to use Eomer's death to shield himself by saying it makes others look suspicious but being careful not to point out his feelings yesterday on him, he's too intelligent to go that route.

Glirdan is probably guilty too.

[The Saucepan Man]

Hmm, I rather glad that I lost that argument with Mister Of the Rohirrim over the Cabin now.

What a strange choice of kill the Wolves made! What with Eomer attracting the second highest number of votes yesterday n'all. Then again, most of them were (seemingly) grudge votes.

A few possible reasons for his untimely death. Possibly one of those who held a grudge against him. Possibly they thought him a Gifted (and so what he said yesterday will bear examination). Possibly the Wolves just felt that they couldn't take the risk of leaving an innocent Eomer running about on board.

And now I am afraid that I shall have to get rather angry with you all, or at least those of you who voted for Nilp and Eomer. Bad Day 1 strategy, effectively reducing the voting to a two horse race. And, surprise surprise, they both turn out to be innocent. And one of them a Gifted too. And a valuable one at that. Made it nice n'easy for the Wolves, I'm sure. Tsk! Tsk!

Pure madness, it was! Grudge votes against Eomer (so it would seem) and senseless votes against Nilp, just because he was being Nilp. Of course he had to vote for himself in his situation. That's what he always does, and so doing anything else would have attracted undue attention from the Wolves. Didn't mean others had to go and follow suit. Other than his self-vote, there was nothing suspicious about him and, for Nilp, a self-vote doesn't qualify as a suspicious action. Good grief, folks! You can't all be Wolves, those of you who voted for the two of them. Yet anyone would think you wanted the Wolves to win! Arrgh!

OK, rant over. Here's yesterday's voting:

1. Morm-->Glirdan (Glirdan-1)
2. Lhuna-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-1)
3. Rune-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2)
4. Glirdan-->Kath (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2, Kath-1)
5. Nilp-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2, Kath-1, Nilp-1)
6. Engels-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-3, Kath-1, Nilp-1)
7. Durelin-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-3, Kath-1, Nilp-2)
8. Diamond-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-2)
9. Anguirel-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3)
10. Lalaith-->Form (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3, Form-1)
11. Caranlondien-->Jenny (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3, Form-1, Jenny-1)
12. Firefoot-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-4, Form-1, Jenny-1)
13. SpM-->Holby (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-4, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-1)
14. Holby-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-1)
15. JennyHallu-->Holbytlass (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2)
16. Formendacil-->Lalaith (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-1)
17. Findeasea-->Lalaith (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-2)
18. Gurthang-->Diamond (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)
19. Eomer-->Glirdan (Glirdan-2, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Formendacil-1, JennyHallu-1, Holbytlass-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)
20. Taliesin-->Eomer (Glirdan-2, Eomer-5, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Formendacil-1, JennyHallu-1, Holbytlass-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)

No vote: Kath

Some suspicious looking votes there. I don't like any of the votes for Nilp (excepting his own and, possibly, that of Anguirel who appeared to have been trying to save Eomer). I am particularly wary of those cast by Firefoot and Holbytlass, both of whom effectively escalated it into a choice between Eomer and Nilp, two innocents. And Firefoot's reasoning - because we have to find out about Nilp - was poor. As I have said, he was just being Nilp. You should have let him be and see how he behaved on subsequent Days. And I still suspect Holby on the basis of my reasoning from yesterday.

And while Durelin does not look as suspicious as those two for her vote for Nilp, I am wary of the fact that she was so quick to arrive today and claim that she thought her vote a throwaway vote.

Of course, they can't all be Wolves. I doubt that more than one, or two at most, voted for Nilp yesterDay.

As for the Eomer voters, well I will be keeping an eye on all of them. Although, again, I doubt that more than one, or two at most, voted for him.

There is probably a Wolf, possibly two, in the later "throwaway" votes, after the voting had effectively become the two-horse race between Eomer and Nilp.

One further thought. While I agree with the sentiments expressed by Jenny in the closing stages of yesterday, in her frustration at all the votes for Eomer and Nilp, she does seem to have rather gone overboard with it. A Wolf would have known them both to be innocent and it was possibly a good opportunity to try to gain some credit by making it look like she was trying to save them. Perhaps that is part of the explanation as to why Eomer was killed. It doesn't place her at the top of my suspect list, but it's a thought.

EDIT: Good grief! Crossed with all the posts from Glirdan's at #106!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Ok

I agree with Formendacil. The only reasons I can see for the wolves to take out Eomer, would have been to start a mass confussion and thereby get rid of a good player during the night and with help of the confusion get another inoccent killed the following day.

What kind of pussles me is that so many voted Nilp, I mean he always does this. It really could not have been a suprise to anybody. I actually think that I would get suspicious of him, if he did not try to get him self killed the first day.

arrrgh need more time to think. . . well that is all for now, but I will be here the next couple of hours thinking this over and hopfully return with a brilliant post.

[mormegil]

Oh, as per our vocal agreement yesterday I claim the slaves as my own!

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, at least we don't have to worry about Eomer anymore. I'm sorta sad that he's gone because he can be a huge asset, but really, we would have spent the rest of his existance arguing about him. If you ask me, the wolves almost did us a favor. Almost.You speak utter balderdash, Mister Plankmeister. Eomer did nothing to attract suspicion yesterday, as far as I can see. The votes for him were either petty grudge votes or those of the fiends that trouble us. We would not, or at least should not, have been arguing about him, had he survived the Night. :rolleyes:

[Anguirel]

Oh, as per our vocal agreement yesterday I claim the slaves as my own!

Nonsense. They are the property of a deceased subject of the King of Scots. As His Grace's representative on board, I am now the receiver of his slain vassal's property. The Law of Scotland is on my side, sir.

I do not wish to be sucked into a duel with you, master nitpicker, but it seems to me you are seeing a chain of events that fit in your eyes because they pertain to you. I was considering your case yesterday on what I confessed was the sketchiest of grounds, and I am now prepared to dismiss my thoughts as pretty balderdashworthy in light of later information.

And I am somewhat insulted by your implication that I would be so clumsy a wolf as to intervene, guns blazing, because a throwaway vote in wolf-Glirdan's direction...

Now, to the slain Scot's words of yesterday. (And his slaves. Mine, all mine.)

[Caranlondien]

I can think of several reasons the wolves killed Eomer. There's what Fin said - that they might have thought Eomer to be the Hunter. Or maybe they thought he was the Seer. Another possibility is that they thought the Seer might dream of him. Finally, they might have just wanted to get rid of a good player who wasn't on their side.

Typically, the wolves are looking for the Seer right now. So there might be some stock in looking at what Eomer said yesterDay that might have made the wolves think he was the Seer. We all know it's overwhelmingly unlikely that the Seer will dream of a wolf on Night 1, but for some reason the wolves often seem to forget that and think they've found him/her already. Still, if one or more of the wolves is an experienced player, I find it unlikely that they would have made such a mistake.

Overall, I'd rather focus on the voting record. There isn't much of one now, but at least the wolves have given us the information that both our top suspects yesterDay were innocent.

I'll re-read yesterDay's happenings and see if I can come up with some suspects...

EDIT: cross-posted with everything since Form's last post :rolleyes:

EDIT2: changed "Ranger" to "Hunter" - thanks for pointing out the mistake :D

[Lalaith]

A few possible reasons for his untimely death. Possibly one of those who held a grudge against him. Possibly they thought him a Gifted (and so what he said yesterday will bear examination). Possibly the Wolves just felt that they couldn't take the risk of leaving an innocent Eomer running about on board I can't think the wolves would be so silly as to allow a grudge to motivate them. I have already mentioned the Gifted (Seer) theory. As for the risk of an innocent Eomer, there are many such on board, including your good self, Sir Horatio, if you are innocent.
I still hold, I think, mainly to the Gifted theory. Although I have thought of another. The wolves may have seen the slaying of Eomer as a waste of a Seer Dream - Eomer would surely be an early dream candidate, would he not?

[The Saucepan Man]

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if at least one Wolf, probably the one who suggested to the other wolves that they kill Eomer, was one of the voters for him yesterday...That was my initial thought. Yet, perhaps Eomer was killed because there wasn't a Wolf among those who voted for him and they saw a major opportunity to frame one or two of them, given the pettiness and unreasoned nature of the votes.

As I recall, Gurthang was oiling the wheels of the Eomer bandwaggon early on, yet ended up not voting for him.

I am pretty much convinced, though, that there was at least one Wolf in the Nilp bandwaggon.

You make a good point concerning Anguirel, Mister Mormegil, although I am not sure that it merits such an early vote without further consideration.

Much to ponder. I'll be back later, although possibly not until much later, depending upon whether or not I fall into a fitful sleep while watching the villainous politicians on the wondrous box of visions.

Toodle pip.

[Lalaith]

Above cross-posted with Caran and Ang - oh and Caran, you mean Hunter, not Ranger, don't you....(I'm taking over the nit-picking role, sorry)

[JennyHallu]

I am going to take the risk of having a little personal satisfaction.

I TOLD YOU SO!

And Form, don't bother me with your comments about following your lead on Lalaith. Count the votes: yours for Lalaith is what doomed Nilp and Eomer. For that reason, you are at the top of my suspect list.

Second on the list are, tied, Gurthang and Firefoot for vote placement and general suspiciousness.

[Holbytlass]

Some suspicious looking votes there. I don't like any of the votes for Nilp (excepting his own and, possibly, that of Anguirel who appeared to have been trying to save Eomer). I am particularly wary of those cast by Firefoot and Holbytlass, both of whom effectively escalated it into a choice between Eomer and Nilp, two innocents...And I still suspect Holby on the basis of my reasoning from yesterday.
Rear Admiral, based on votes I don't see how Anguirel by appearing to have been trying to save Eomer does not gain your suspicions, but I who broke the tye in Eomer's favor looks suspicious.

I understand your reasoning based on my trying to be helpful and that I can't help. I was trying to gleen any sort "solid" theroies to work and everyone knows how hard that is on first day. Hindsight, I shouldn't have tried so hard.

As I said, I get where you were coming from but the person I find kind of scary is JennyHalu. She was very flip-flopish in her righteous anger of blasting everyone.

I'm very unsure of whom to vote for. I am absolutely against both the Eomer and Nilp bandwagons, as I don't see enough reason to vote for either of them right now. Both bandwagons seem fishy to me, and tomorrow I shall be taking a very close look at who's on them.
++Holby

If all those who have yet to vote join us, we can save both Nilp and Eomer!
hate bandwagons but don't mind starting one.
Day 1 is the dumbest excuse for carelessness ever. Gah! Day 1s can be productive if you use them productively and don't just tralalalally your way into a whirlpool.
Sheesh, she follows SpM's lead because I was being productive :rolleyes:

I'm not saying she is necessarily on my suspect list right now but I seem to be in trouble for what some demand.

[Diamond18]

Man, the pontificating coming from Potboiler's corner is a bit much, even for him. :p Of course, can't say I disagree with him from a purely cold hard logic standpoint (especially about Nilp) but really -- fine, I was being petty, if you like. Get over it.


YesterDay was a mass of banter, nonsense, and in character fun, so at the time I had to vote there wasn't much else to do besides make a blind vote. Call it a grudge if you will, but there are a lot worse people to vote blindly for on Day 1 than Eomer, who is a proven fiend. Besides, 'grudge' is a bit harsh since I never said I didn't like the chap. On the contrary, I am positively filled with warm fuzzies. Lynch votes mean you're loved. (Which reminds me -- *blows Gurthang a kiss*). If someday people badwaggon against me because they fear my vast cunning I'll be... who am I kidding, I'll be dreaming. Or possibly having an out of body experience. (I've been able to acheive various bandwaggons for various other reasons, but never for so flattering a reason.)

I find it HIGHLY amusing and not the least bit ironic that the Nilp bandwaggon was formed mainly just to save Eomer. "Let's not kill Eomer, he could be useful and he might be Gifted. Nilp couldn't possibly be either of those things!" (Quote not attributed to anyone but my general impression of the lynch outcome, applied with a dash of sarcasm, for flavor.)

Anywho -- I wish I could say that I've poured over Day 1s events and have analysis & theories & charts & suspects & non-suspects, and all that Day 2 fun to offer. But I haven't so I can't. I also wish I could say that I have slept in the past 32 hours, but I can't really say that either without using a very liberal definition of the word. So--

*thump* Weslamond passes out and falls to the deck, where she snores for the next... oh god I don't know. If I actually manage to think of anything besidse "Grunt, ha, er, mmfh," when I read the posts in this game, I'll get back to you.

Oh wait! I forgot, I did think of something. Eomer was obviously killed because the wolves are petty. Which means that the wolves are Lhuna, Me, Rune, and tgwbs! Oh, and Taliesen is my Lover. There, I think that accounts for all the Eomer voters nicely, don't you? :D

[JennyHallu]

Holby, my apologies for my attempted bandwagon against you. I just needed to try and save Nilp, and thought Eomer likely also innocent: and I picked you because I found your logic concerning myself suspect. It didn't work, anyway.

[mormegil]

Holby brought up another good point against Anguirel, though she didn't say as much but I infered it. He did try to 'save' Eomer by killing Nilp. While killing an innocent Nilp is suspicious it's not as suspcious, in my mind, as killing an innocent Eomer who looked incredibly innocent to me as opposed to Nilp who you cannot read on Day 1. Anyway what better placement for himself than to be there and then off him at night.

[Glirdan]

Now, I know that some of you are going to ask me what the madness is for me to be doing this again, but tis necessary. You shall all see the plot behind the madness shortly. Now, let's take a look at the voting list from yesterDay:

1. Morm-->Glirdan (Glirdan-1)
2. Lhuna-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-1)
3. Rune-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2)
4. Glirdan-->Kath (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2, Kath-1)
5. Nilp-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2, Kath-1, Nilp-1)
6. TGWBS-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-3, Kath-1, Nilp-1)
7. Durelin-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-3, Kath-1, Nilp-2)
8. Diamond-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-2)
9. Anguirel-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3)
10. Lalaith-->Form (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3, Form-1)
11. Caranlondien-->Jenny (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3, Form-1, Jenny-1)
12. Firefoot-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-4, Form-1, Jenny-1)
13. SpM-->Holby (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-4, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-1)
14. Holby-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-1)
15. JennyHallu-->Holbytlass (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2)
16. Formendacil-->Lalaith (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-1)
17. Findeasea-->Lalaith (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-2)
18. Gurthang-->Diamond (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)
19. Eomer-->Glirdan (Glirdan-2, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Formendacil-1, JennyHallu-1, Holbytlass-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)
20. Taliesin-->Eomer (Glirdan-2, Eomer-5, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Formendacil-1, JennyHallu-1, Holbytlass-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)

No vote: Kath

Of those:

Lhuna, Rune, TGWBS, Di and Taliesin all voted for Eomer.

Durelin, Ang, Firefoot and Holby (this does not include his vote for himself) all voted Nilp.

Now, considering yesterDay was Day 1 and Nilp was acting like usual and those four just wanted that annoyance gone, I really doubt that those who voted for Nilp have any true reason for voting for him and because of it, I think we shouldn't look at them toDay. However, I am not saying that we erase them from our minds either. I think the best plan of action for those four is we put it off until tomorrow and see what their vote is for toDay.

I think our main concern should be for those who have voted for Eomer because it's quite likely that of those five, at least one, or maybe even two, of them could be a Wolf.

So, to start off, I think I shall take a look at our dearest newcomer, Taliesin first. Be back shortly with analysis.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Although I can sertanly see the point Holbytlass makes about Jenny, I am inclined to belive Jenny when she says.
Holby, my apologies for my attempted bandwagon against you. I just needed to try and save Nilp, and thought Eomer likely also innocent
But I am not sure about anything.
It just seems plausible that someone talks against bandwagoning and then when they see two persons, One wich is just acting like he always does and one whom they find likely to be inoccent; is about to get lynched. That they then in desparation will try to get a person they are uncertain about killed instead and thereby start a bandwaggon.

I hope you understand what I just said. . .

I am not going to clear Jenny just yet, but I don't think that exact thing was that wolfish. . . But let me sleep on it.

[mormegil]

Thank you Glirdan, you have furthered my suspicion of you as well.

"Let's not focus on those who voted Nilp" ie. Ang.

We can look at him later.

Ha, how utterly transparent.

You're next!

[Glirdan]

Taliesin

Occupation - criminal who was set adrift

Post #18 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475906&postcount=18) - Check in post. Suggests (as a joke) of killing off Glirdan because he drank all the booze.

- Nothing remotely interesting or worthy of suspicion.

Post #39 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=476016&postcount=39) - Comes back and says "Just got out of my cabin and you're already shouting about this werewolf thing again eh?" Suggests that we don't jump to conclusions about his past and suggests (not out loud) to look at the pirates instead. Thinks we should leave the slave driver alone. Finds that Mr. Rear-Admiral Horatio Potboiler makes him uneasy.

- The only thing I find odd is how much he kids around, but I don't find that suspicious either because it was a Day 1 and he was probably trying to act in character.

Post #42 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=476020&postcount=42) Thinks that a more pressing matter is deciding on who gets our belated Captain's Cabin.

- I find that rather inconsiderate that he would even think it a more pressing matter than finding these Wolves. But perhaps it was all in fun.

Post #83 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=476150&postcount=83) Finally decides it's time to get serious. Doesn't want to follow Eomer bandwaggon simply because of occupation. Finds that Saucy is the loudest and most helpful villager around but isn't comfortable being on his list of Doom but doesn't want to trust him completely due to memory telling him so. Wants to give Nilp benefit of the doubt. Quotes and replies to Findëasëa's post #78 (clarifying the role of the Lovers).

- Again, nothing really usefull to point any suspicion.

Post #102 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=476194&postcount=102) Comes back. Says he doesn't see anything that makes him suspcious. Finds that Jenny defending Eomer is slightly suspicious, possibly a Wolf defending a Wolf. Votes Eomer.

- Okay, this is the most suspicious part of all his posts. He really contradicts himself in his post #83 where he says he doesn't want to follow the Eomer bandwaggon. That makes him highly suspicious in my mind. Another thing that gets me is how much he jokes around until this point. I'm definetly going to keep an eye on him.

Next up is a new return and an old favorite, Rune.

Crossed with morm and Rune.

Morm, I'm not saying that they are not utterly suspicious, quite the contrary. They have not been erased from my mind, they are still suspicious in my eyes and will remain that way. I just want to get through those who voted Eomer first because they have more reason to go after Eomer at night. If anything, I will probably do an analysis of those who voted for Nilp after the Eomer voters.

[Glirdan]

Rune

Occupation - Slave who is obssessed with cheese.

Post #17 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475901&postcount=17) Basic check in post. Thinks it would be nice if they could be milked in order to make cheese.

- Nothing suspicious here. Unless it's the fact that he wants them to be furry, cute and milkable...

Post #26 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475949&postcount=26) Quotes and responds to Kath's post #16. Plots with Kath to kill the slave driver.

- Again, nothing remotely suspicious unless it's the "plot" which Kath and himself have come up with.

Post #38 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=476014&postcount=38) Comes up with a poem about cheese. Isn't sure that he likes Horato Parboiled. Quotes and responds to Lhuna's post #37 (her reasoning for voting Eomer). Agrees with her and votes Eomer. Gives his reasoning for voting (evil slave driver and not giving him cheese). Explains his early vote.

- And once again, nothing suspicious. His vote is not entirely random, however, it was still a Day 1. I don't like how he purposely bandwaggoned however. That makes him look slightly suspicious.
So, out of the two analysed thus far, here are my suspicions in order:

Taliesin
Rune

Next on the analysis list is actually one who was mentioned earlier in this post, Lhuna.

Crossed with Gurth.

Right now, I'm surprised by Glirdan's sudden 'hyper-analysing' mood. He does bring up a few good points about Taliesin.(Gurth)

What can I say? I'm in an analysing mood! ;)

[Gurthang]

morm, still as bloodthirsty as ever, I see. :p

Day 1, Gurthang.... Nilp has almost ALWAYS done it.... if he hadn't this time, us veterans would wonder if he's a wolf... and lynch him anyway...Not always, actually. I think that one game he was the Seer, a junior game I believe, and he decided to not go suicidal. Strangely enough, he was not jumped on for it.

Eomer did nothing to attract suspicion yesterday, as far as I can see. The votes for him were either petty grudge votes or those of the fiends that trouble us. We would not, or at least should not, have been arguing about him, had he survived the Night.I agree; he was not acting overly suspicious. In fact, most of the votes he got were before he showed up. But my point is that Eomer, by simply being himself with his reputation, will always draw suspicion. He's known for his mind and for his striking ability to appear innocent when evil. These attributes make everyone wary when he's alive. Hence suspecting and 'arguing'. Arguing probably isn't the best word, but I think you know what I mean.

Right now, I'm surprised by Glirdan's sudden 'hyper-analysing' mood. He does bring up a few good points about Taliesin.

Anyway, I'm late, so... yeah, bye.

[Firefoot]

I have to read closer before really responding, but I'd like to say this about my vote for Nilp:

Yeah, it pretty much was senseless. Just about any vote I made was going to be so. I really didn't see much reason to suspect anybody at that point. Nilp seemed as good a person as any to cast a vote for.

[Glirdan]

Lhuna

Occupation - Seasick reluctant traveler

Post #37 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475991&postcount=37) Believes Firefoot and Gurthang are the Lovers. Says that her (implying Firefoot is the Wolf) fellow Wolves are Fin, Taleisin and Friderich Engels (or, TGWBS). However, she goes and votes for Eomer because everyone wants to get rid of him.

- This is probably the oddest post I have read all Day but it doesn't surprise me. The only thing that's odd is her vote for Eomer which was completely baseless. Other than that, nothing truly suspicious about her. I'm also noticing a pattern with all of these voters: none of them have posted that often. I think the most amount of posts from one of the Eomer voters thus far on Day 1 is 5 made by Taleisin. Something to keep in mind.

Next analysis is for somebody Lhuna has accused, Engels.

Crossed with Firefoot.

[Glirdan]

Engels

Post #63 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=476079&postcount=63) Finds Nogrod and Cailin's murders justified. Thinks Men and Wolves should live in harmony. Calls upon Kath and Rune to aid him in his quest to off Eomer.

- The only thing that bugs me here is him wanting to live in harmony with the Wolves. They're murderous beings who will murder even the purest soul. Why would you even think that way?

So, before I get into my next analysis (which will be of Di), I will give my suspicions lis:

Taliesin
Engels
Rune
Lhuna

[Caranlondien]

Well, first off, I'm inclined to trust Jenny and SpM (hmm, I always suspect SpM and he turns out to be innocent; does that mean this time he's guilty?)

Gurthang is making me a little nervous... He just seems sort of careful. Glirdan's sudden analysis-spree seems a little unusual for him, so he's on my radar, too.

morm certainly seems, er, certain in his accusations against Anguirel. Such a strong attack seems like it would be a risky move for a wolf, but I do think that morm is the sort who might try to pull off a huge bluff. I can't say his case against Anguirel is all that convincing.

[Findëasëa]

I was looking over some of the later votes yesterDay. Jenny’s actions worry me. At the time that she cast her vote for Holby and asked the rest of the village to vote for her in order to save Nilp and Eomer, the only way to save either was if all of the villagers yet to vote voted for another candidate who had already gotten one vote. After Form voted for someone else, she jumped on him, and placed the blame for the death in his hands. I have seen similar situations before, but usually the person who is doing the accusing has a lot more to go on, or a gifted has been revealed. She admitted herself that she did not really know who to vote for, but then she ardently defended two people, who are today, both proven innocent. This does seem bold, but I don’t think that we should all dismiss it as innocent without taking a closer look, as the situation, no matter the turnout, would have made Jenny look good.

edit: cross posted with Caran

[Glirdan]

Diamond

Occupation - Weslamond, the Dread Pirate Roberta's protégé

Post #9 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475888&postcount=9) Can't believe there are Wolves on the ship. Says we already know Eomer is guilty and we should off him.

- You know, isn't it a routine that the first person who posts is normally guilty? And the fact that she was (technically) the starter of the Eomer bandwaggon, it doesn't sit well with me either.

Post #13 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475897&postcount=13) Still thinks we should gang up ont Eomer and off him.

- Okay, this makes me like her less and less.

Post #29 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475967&postcount=29) Quotes and responds to Saucy's post #21 and says that he must not have heard of the Dread Pirate Roberta and other in character nonsense.

- Nothing here to point more towards her suspicions.

Post #31 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=475970&postcount=31) Quotes and responds to Saucy once again and says it's okay but still doesn't trust him. Thinks that anyone who thinks we should keep Eomer is up to no good.

- Okay, I'm starting to think that maybe Diamond isn't as suspicious as I first thought. She's being very consistent of her suspicions and her reasoning (for a Day 1) is actually fairly reasonable.

Post #70 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=476105&postcount=70) Corrects morm. Finds that the rivlary that the ninja's created without the help of the pirates odd. Votes Eomer because of his role in a so called "Duelling Wizards Game" ( :p )

- And this is where she gets suspicious again. No true reasoning behind her vote where as before her accusations were not all that bad.

After that analysis, my list of suspicions (out of these five) is:

Taliesin
Engels
TGWBS
Rune
Lhuna

I don't really have time to do an analysis of the Nilp voters so if someone wants to go ahead and do it, be my guest. For now, this is my list. I must depart and look for rum. I'm going nuts without it!! :(

Crossed with Caran.

Gurthang is making me a little nervous... He just seems sort of careful. Glirdan's sudden analysis-spree seems a little unusual for him, so he's on my radar, too.(Caran)

If I may point something out, I normally do analyses. However, my ancestors of late haven't been able to as they have been very busy. This is the first time that anybody in my blood line has had the chance to do one, so I grabbed the opportunity. In other words, expect them from me as them game progresses.

[Diamond18]

You know, isn't it a routine that the first person who posts is normally guilty?

Hm. Actually, that is an interesting question. It's long been common belief that wolves post early in the game, if not first, but I'm not sure what the facts are. The only game in which I actually remember off the top of my head who posted first was my own Wereducks game. As I recall, Glirdan, you were the first to post.

And were you guilty? ;)

[Firefoot]

I find Morm's so early vote for Ang incredibly interesting. I have little doubt that if he is proved right he will be killed for the seer, and if he is wrong, the wolves are probably laughing with glee. He makes a good argument; it's the vote that interests me.

Dang, I am coming up with nothing at all. I've been staring at these posts for the past 40 minutes now and seeing nothing. Maybe I'm just too tired right now to do this properly.

[Glirdan]

Hm. Actually, that is an interesting question. It's long been common belief that wolves post early in the game, if not first, but I'm not sure what the facts are. The only game in which I actually remember off the top of my head who posted first was my own Wereducks game. As I recall, Glirdan, you were the first to post.

And were you guilty?(Di)

No, you're right, we can't rely on myths. ;) However, that still doesn't make you less suspicicous.

[Caranlondien]

If I may point something out, I normally do analyses. However, my ancestors of late haven't been able to as they have been very busy. This is the first time that anybody in my blood line has had the chance to do one, so I grabbed the opportunity. In other words, expect them from me as them game progresses.
Okay, good point. As I have a limited history in werewolf, I'll trust you on that one. Still, you're not cleared of suspicion. You've now been downgraded to "Just as suspicious-looking as everyone else" :p

Dang, I am coming up with nothing at all. I've been staring at these posts for the past 40 minutes now and seeing nothing. Maybe I'm just too tired right now to do this properly.
Ditto. I think I'll go get some sleep... For lack of more information, I'm most wary of morm and Gurthang right now. Diamond seems to have (initially) over-reacted a bit to SpM's suspicions, but given my most recent ancestor's behavior, I'm not one to talk :o :D

So, I have those suspicions, but I hope I'll come up with some better ideas tomorrow (RL).

[Glirdan]

Okay, good point. As I have a limited history in werewolf, I'll trust you on that one. Still, you're not cleared of suspicion. You've now been downgraded to "Just as suspicious-looking as everyone else"(Caran)

And I wouldn't have it any other way. :p

I must depart for a few hours and calm down. This rum lackage (that's not even a word...) is really starting to get to me. I shall see everyone later in the Day.

[JennyHallu]

I was looking over some of the later votes yesterDay. Jenny’s actions worry me. At the time that she cast her vote for Holby and asked the rest of the village to vote for her in order to save Nilp and Eomer, the only way to save either was if all of the villagers yet to vote voted for another candidate who had already gotten one vote. After Form voted for someone else, she jumped on him, and placed the blame for the death in his hands. I have seen similar situations before, but usually the person who is doing the accusing has a lot more to go on, or a gifted has been revealed. She admitted herself that she did not really know who to vote for, but then she ardently defended two people, who are today, both proven innocent. This does seem bold, but I don’t think that we should all dismiss it as innocent without taking a closer look, as the situation, no matter the turnout, would have made Jenny look good.

edit: cross posted with Caran
Apparently, looking good makes me look bad.

Why did I put blame on Form? Because he deliberately said he thought neither Eomer nor Nilp were guilty, then made the vote that made saving them impossible.

[Diamond18]

TiG I
First to post: Fea
Role: Ordo

TiG II
First to post: Fordim Hedgethistle
Role: Ordo

TiG III
First to post: tgwbs
Role: Ordo

TiG IV
First to post: Fea
Role: Hunter

TiG V
First to post: tgwbs
Role: Ordo

TiG VI
First to post: Eomer
Role: Ordo

TiG VII
First to post: mormegil
Role: Cursed Villager (thought self Ordo at the time)

TiG VIII
First to post: Gurthang
Role: Black Beorning

TiG IX
First to post: mormegil
Role: Shirriff

TiG X
First to post: The Perky Ent
Role: Seer

TiG XI
First to post: The Perky Ent
Role: Ranger

TiG XII
First to post: mormegil
Role: Ordo

TiG XIII
First to post: Anguirel
Role: Ordo

TiG XIV
First to post: WaynetheGoblin
Role: Ordo

TiG XV
First to post: mormegil
Role: Ordo

TiG XVI
First to post: Gurthang
Role: Ordo

TiG XVII
First to post: Gil-Galad
Role: Ordo

TIG XVIII
First to post: Anguirel
Role: Ordo

TiG IX
First to post: Lhuna
Role: Werewolf Lover

TiG XX
First to post: Nogrod
Role: Ordo

TiG XXI
First to post: Loki
Role: Ordo

TiG XXII
First to post: Fea
Role: Ordo

TIG XXIII
First to post: Diamond
Role: Ordo :p

WWJ I
First to post: Bergil
Role: Werewolf

WWJ II
First to post: WaynetheGoblin
Role: Ordo

WWJ III
First to post: Lommy
Role: Werewolf

WWJ IV
First to post: Firefoot
Role: Ordo

WWJ V
First to post: Anguirel
Role: Ordo

WWJ VI
First to post: Boromir88
Role: Seer

WWJ VII
First to post: Kath
Role: Ranger

WWJ VIII
First to post: Glirdan
Role: Seer

WWJ IX
First to post: the phantom
Role: Ordo

--

So, a rundown of this list:

Ordinary villagers have posted first 20 out of 32 times
Werewolves have posted first 4 out of 32 times
Seers have posted first 3 out of 32 times
Rangers have posted first 2 out of 32 times
A Hunter has posted first 1 out of 32 times
A Black Beorning has posted first 1 out of 32 times
A Cursed Villager has posted first 1 out of 32 times
A Lover (also Werewolf) has posted first 1 out of 32 times

So, the vast majority of the time an Ordo is a first to post. Not all that surprising, is it? After all, Ordos alway outnumber everyone else. But, most importantly, this rather decries that whole myth that Wolves often post first.

If I wanted to be really thourough I could track the posting order of everyone out of all the games, to see how often one or more wolves are in the first, say, 10 posters. But I'm not actually as insane as I look. At the moment, anyway. Because that would probably yield some very interesting numbers.

[mormegil]

If I may point something out, I normally do analyses. However, my ancestors of late haven't been able to as they have been very busy. This is the first time that anybody in my blood line has had the chance to do one, so I grabbed the opportunity. In other words, expect them from me as them game progresses.

Sorry mate, but I've been in a lot of games with you and I don't remember you being ever quite this verbose. Admittedly I haven't gone back to check and my memory could be jaded by your recent rash of inactivity but I would disagree and think Caran a bit naive to blindly believe you. Your response was interesting too.

Okay, good point. As I have a limited history in werewolf, I'll trust you on that one. Still, you're not cleared of suspicion. You've now been downgraded to "Just as suspicious-looking as everyone else


And I wouldn't have it any other way :p

Why? Because you don't want somebody to go back and actually learn the truth?

I find Morm's so early vote for Ang incredibly interesting. I have little doubt that if he is proved right he will be killed for the seer, and if he is wrong, the wolves are probably laughing with glee. He makes a good argument; it's the vote that interests me.

I could also be the lover and not the seer, but alas I am neither but I guess that is for the wolves to decide.

Now just by gut feelings here is how I feel about everybody.

Durelin--Innocent
Caran--Innocent
Holby--Possibly guilty
Fin--Innocent
Lhuna--Possibly guilty
Kath--Innocent
Jenny--Possibly guilty
Lalaith--Innocent
Diamond--Innocent but an interesting list...where do you get the time?
Firefoot--Guilty
Gurthang--Hunter
Formendacil--Guilty
Rune--Innocent
Taliesin--Innocent
SpM--Probably guilty but unsure
Anguirel--Guilty
Glirdan Guilty
TGWBS--unsure.


The bolded two are the ones I'm more certain of than others.
The bolded ones are the ones I feel more certain about.

[Gurthang]

I find Morm's so early vote for Ang incredibly interesting. I have little doubt that if he is proved right he will be killed for the seer, and if he is wrong, the wolves are probably laughing with glee. He makes a good argument; it's the vote that interests me.
This is a good point. And I remember him voting rather early yesterday for Glirdan. His sudden drilling of Ang is strange in my mind. It seems almost overly bold for a wolf (except it's morm) and I don't think that a seer would do what he's doing. Especially since he's been all against Anguirel toDay, and has redoubled his insistance on Glirdan from yesterday. The sheer odds of the seer nailing two wolves on the first two Days is so close to impossible that it makes no difference. I don't think he'd be so gung ho for one person unless he's the seer, but it doesn't make any sense that he'd be pushing for two like he is.

Some one, or a couple of you guys, are bringing up some good thoughts about Formendacil. I might take a look at him if I get time.

I don't like this stuff against Jenny. From what I've seen, she'd do about the same thing I would. She tried to save Nilp and Eomer yesterday. By the time I arrived, it was a little late to save either, but her actions don't seem wolvish to me.

morm, interesting list. Although, I'm confused by the last two lines.

[mormegil]

morm, interesting list. Although, I'm confused by the last two lines.

I won't edit it but it was a mistake. I think I typed it and made a quick change as to who I thought suspcious and typed it again.

Sorry.

[Diamond18]

Kath--Innocent

Who are you and what have you done with our morm?

Diamond--Innocent but an interesting list...where do you get the time?

Well... simply put... I don't have to work tonight. *shrug*

Though actually it was very simple and quick as far as lists go. All I had to do was read the Grimoire and click on the links to glance at who posted first after the mods. Rinse and repeat and you have your list in a relatively quick hour. It's the snack food to a player or game analysis three course meal.

I have to say, off the top of my head I can't remember Glirdan being much for player analysis, either. However, I haven't played here till fairly recently (gaming history only dates back to March) so maybe I ought to look back a bit.... I will say, in his favor, that they are very nice analyses. But then, I am rather partial to a nicely formatted analysis with links. :)

[Anguirel]

[Here's what I was typing last night when the network shut down suddenly-surprisingly, it's still quite relevant.]

Eomer's suspicions-

tgwbs and Rune for bandwaggoning votes. Suspected "couple of furry secrets" in the movement against him, though specifically exonerated Diamond.

Noted that the Nilp bandwagon was also a good lupine hiding place.

Highly suspected Glirdan and Caran for low-level sneakery and throwaway votes (indeed spent some time deliriously murmuring "Glirdan or Caran, Caran or Glirdan...", poor chap. Maybe they were his last words.)

Thought Gurthang was "silly".

Apparently thought Nilp innocent or at least did not vote for him, even to save his skin. (Similarly didn't feel comfortable about going for Lalaith.)

I'm not sure this is as helpful as I was hoping. Maybe the wolves thought they'd spotted a dreamed innocent, not an uncovered wolf, in his words. Apparent Giftedness of some kind seems to be the most rational explanation-could they even have been hoping to bag a Hunter and take down two innocents? Yet his links with Nilp weren't substantial. He didn't help Nilp's lynching but neither did he condemn it.

[Formendacil]

Why did I put blame on Form? Because he deliberately said he thought neither Eomer nor Nilp were guilty, then made the vote that made saving them impossible.

Not saying that I'm blameless... although in my defence I don't recall having a recent voting tally handy when I voted, so other than a vague idea of who the two main victims were, I don't remember knowing the tally at all.

And anyway... just because I didn't think Eomer or Nilp guilty doesn't mean that I didnt' concede the possibility that they might have been. Nilp's one time as a wolf (when he did the whole same spiel) sucked me right in- though I was an observer, that time. Eomer has a track record which should never been ignored, so it seems...

So while I didn't think them guilty, I can't say that I was convinced of their innocence. Whereas I was, and still am, rather sure of Holby's innocence. Not beyond trace of doubt, of course, but more than I was of Eomer or Nilp.

Now, to pass on to things other than defending myself... there are a number of well-reasoned cases out there that intrigue me: Morm's case for Ang, the case for Diamond, the case for Jenny... They can't all be right, surely... but one of them, at least, being right... well, I'd give it good odds.

[The Saucepan Man]

I have been pondering further the Wolves’ choice of victim last Night. Although I do not discount the possibility of grudges playing a role, given how absurdly prominent this concept has been so far aboard this vessel, I rather agree with Lalaith that the Wolves are unlikely to be motivated by grudges alone. I also agree with Lalaith that, while an innocent Eomer presented a formidable foe to the Wolves, there are others who they might also consider dangerous and who were distinctly less likely to attract votes today.

Did the Wolves think Eomer likely to be a Gifted? Possibly, but I can see little in what he said to give them such an impression. His suspicions (primarily Glirdan and Caran) were not strongly stated and there was, as Ang has noted, no particular link with Nilp.

So, I am led to the belief that Eomer was killed to create a certain amount of confusion and perhaps to lead us in the wrong direction. If so, I am inclined to think that those he viewed as suspicious are in fact more likely than not innocent. I am also reinforced in my tentative view that there may not have been a Wolf among the Eomer voters. Even if there is a Wolf there, it’s likely only one at most. In this regard, I would view Lhuna and Diamond as the most likely candidates, given that Eomer said that he was inclined towards thinking them innocent. Of the two, Diamond currently looks the more suspicious to me.


Rear Admiral, based on votes I don't see how Anguirel by appearing to have been trying to save Eomer does not gain your suspicions, but I who broke the tye in Eomer's favor looks suspicious.

I understand your reasoning based on my trying to be helpful and that I can't help. I was trying to gleen any sort "solid" theroies to work and everyone knows how hard that is on first day. Hindsight, I shouldn't have tried so hard.Assuming him innocent (and I remain inclined to that view), I fully understood what Anguirel was trying to achieve when he voted for Nilp in an effort to save Eomer. Not knowing Nilp’s Giftedness, I rather agreed that an innocent Eomer was likely to prove more helpful to us than an innocent Nilp. That’s not to clear Ang completely, but, in my view, his vote does not count against him as much as others in the Nilp bandwaggon. Your vote, for example, which had the effect of escalating further the two-horse race developing between Eomer and Nilp, a race which served only the Wolves’ interests, without the redeeming factor of credible reasoning.

And rather than being helpful and productive, my impression was that you were attempting to involve yourself in the discussion without saying anything too controversial. Notably, your analyses followed my categorisation of you as a possible “fly under the radar” Wolf, and, despite looking helpful on the face of it, they didn't appear really to say that much. My impression of you has not changed.

The other Nilp voter that I find particularly suspicious is Firefoot. Like Holby, she too encouraged the Eomer/Nilp two-horse race, by putting Nilp on 4 votes, level with Eomer. Her reasoning for voting for Nilp was lazy. Just the kind of reasoning that a Wolf would use on Day 1 against an easy lynch target. And she has said and done little to aid the passengers’ cause since.

In other news, Gurthang continues to trouble me. This Corinthians reference, for example. I could understand it if he had explained it by saying that it was merely part of the “banter”. But he actually tried to explain it by categorising it as some kind of device to catch people out. To achieve what, exactly? Were you hoping that one of the Lovers might come forward and refute your apparent claim? :rolleyes: You say that you were looking for reactions, but it was bound to attract some sort of reaction, and most likely the kind of reaction that most of us who discussed it gave. So I really don’t see what it was designed to achieve. Then there is the early encouragement of the developing Eomer bandwagon. Despite your subsequent (unconvincing) attempts to explain your logic here, it remains weak. Yes, a Wolvish Eomer is dangerous. But an innocent Eomer could have been extremely helpful to us. His intelligence is no reason to eliminate him early. Au contraire, it is a reason to keep him around, at least until there is some kind of evidence pointing to his possible Wolfishness. There was none. And then, despite your early encouragement of the Eomer bandwagon, you end up placing your vote for Diamond. By this time, Nilp was all but condemned, so it was a great time for a Wolf to place a “safe” vote, perhaps even a Wolf-on-Wolf vote.

Turning to Glirdan’s analyses, I have known him to indulge in these in the past. Personally, I don’t find analyses such as this particularly helpful, and they can be used by Wolves to appear helpful while saying little of use. And I find some of Glirdan’s analysis rather wide of the mark. His case against Taliesin, for example, I find entirely unconvincing, since there was ample reason for Taliesin credibly to change his mind and decide to vote for Eomer after all, given what had occurred in the intervening period (more teling, perhaps, is the fact that Taliesin's vote had no effect on the outcome, and so might be regarded as a safe Wolfish vote). He is concerned over TGWBS’ expressed desire that Men and Wolves should live in harmony, yet this was clearly part of the “in character” banter. And he finds Diamond’s early case against Eomer consistent and well-reasoned, despite the fact that it was based purely on past history and Eomer had not even posted at that point. Yet I don’t think it likely that Glirdan is guilty. Guileless, perhaps, but not guilty. I think it unlikely that a Wolfish Glirdan would have subscribed to the murder of Eomer, given that Eomer had voted for him.

Finally, to Morm’s case against Anguirel. It has merit, I will admit, but it is purely circumstantial. It is entirely possible that Ang’s comments that morm catgorises as malign were merely the speculations of an innocent on Day 1, with little available in the way of evidence. So, while the case should not be dismissed out of hand, I am concerned that morm saw fit to base such an early vote on it. And I am also concerned over the certainty with which he is expressing his views. That said, he is too “in yer face” surely, even for morm, to be a Wolf.

In conclusion, my main suspicions currently lie with Gurthang, Holbytlass and Firefoot, although I think it unlikely that both Holby and Firefoot are Wolves.

I am also wary of Diamond, Durelin and morm.

Apologies, as always, for the length of this post, but it’s probably the last chance I will get to post until much later in the Day.

[the guy who be short]

SpM = Sense. Good.
Glirdan = Not sense. Good.

Eomer = dead. Cast suspicion on voters. Should look at those who voted neither Nilp nor Eomer - the wolves want us to focus on these.

Mmm.

[Findëasëa]

Jenny-
Apparently, looking good makes me look bad.

Why did I put blame on Form? Because he deliberately said he thought neither Eomer nor Nilp were guilty, then made the vote that made saving them impossible.

I was not saying that you blaming Form specifically would help you. If you were a wolf employing this tactic to make yourself look good, it would have been easy for you to throw the blame on any subsequent voter who didn’t follow your plan.

Also, I do think that taking actions that make you look innocent should be looked upon as suspicious. The other actions that you took yesterday did strike me as those of an innocent, but this one situation really struck me as a setup. Appearing innocent may benefit everyone, but it benefits the wolves the most, so it logically follows that actions such as the ones that you took should be examined more closely.

[Lalaith]

I've been reading through everything, and I find myself in the rather ludicrous position of, like the White Queen in Alice, believing six impossible things before breakfast. Lots of the theories made sense as I read them - which makes no sense as many of them contradict each other. For example, Gurthang and SpM.
I really need to do a crew appraisal, to get my thoughts straight if nothing else, and will do so later today if I have time.
For the time being, a few randomish comments.

All this discussion of who posts first: this does actually depend far more on the time zone of the mod /starting time, relative to the player, than on role.

Too many people who should know better, eg Caran, seem to think that Eomer could only have been mistaken for a Seer if he'd mentioned a wolf, when he could just as easily have been singled out through naming an innocent. I actually wondered myself, if he was the Seer, because of the way he talked about Nilp.

I think Glirdan's analyses threw up a couple of interesting points, particularly about Taliesin and Rune.
I've got to go, more later.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Anguirel and Mormegil:Mormegil's case against Anguriel is very interesting indeed. The contradiction he notices is on of those tings that you either discover because you have played some games with this person and clearly can see the change in play. This does not mean that they are wolves, but it is good base for a suspicion. However it can also be something you discover, because you are a wolf and (in my opinion) have to look very close at each post to find something you can use. This would be a good case for a wolf, if Anguriels style of play has changed then other experienced players will notice it as well and thus it will not reflect that bad upon the one who started it. Since I cannot remember if I have played with Anguirel before, I cannot say which of these it is. Of cause it is plausible that they are just two innocents who is on the wrong track. Right now I lean towards thinking that one of them is a wolf, but for now I would not be able to tell you who. I shall therefore not cast my vote for any of them today, but they will be on top of my list of people to watch closely.

Glirdan- I cannot get a read on at all.

Lhuna - For now I think her inoccent, but this is more or less just based on a gut feeling.

SPM- I will need to see some heavy evidence against him before I will consider voting for him. Sure he is very dangourus as a wolf, but also very helpfull as inoccent.

Holby and Firefoot- After SPM's post (157) I too have come to suspect them, however, there is the chance that they are just like me. Not good at making the big analyse. I will need to read a bit more into each of their post's before making a desition. Both a candidates for my vote to day. . .

TGWBS- Just seems to be a bit crooked to me, but again it is mostly a gut fealing. He to is a possible to atract my vote today.

Jenny- I will not vote for today, as I said earlier.

As it looks now. my vote will likely go to:

TGWBS
Holby
Firefoot
or as a distand candidate Glirdan

[Findëasëa]

I looked through what has happened so far and have recorded some general impressions.

Durelin - She has given no solid opinions or ideas, but this is consistent with behavior that she has exhibited in past games. She did vote for a (now) proven innocent. She later stated that she thought her vote for Nilp was a meaningless throwaway vote. I am not sure that a wolf would say something that could possibly attract a lot of negative attention.

Caranlondien – So far she has acted reasonably. She, as usual, has been helpful and made some insightful comments. She did vote for Jenny with very little reasoning. On day 2 she gave a few opinions about people, but nothing too strong. Overall, she seems innocent to me so far.

Lhunardawen – She only posted once, giving a list of random accusations and then voted for Eomer. This could be an example of a wolf using expectations of how they normally act to hide true motivations or it could just be that she had little time.

JennyHallu – I find her actions to be mostly innocent so far. She tried to call the village to the matter at hand when people were staying off topic and then discussed some serious points. All of her actions, except those surrounding the end of the votes, seem pretty honest to me. I don’t feel that my concerns about the single instance are enough to warrant a vote yet.

Lalaith – In her posts on day one she gives some abstract ideas and helpful suggestions to people. She is against both bandwagons, and votes for Form. I still find her very suspicious, she has contributed, but her contributions are safe. She took no risks and seems to be trying to hide in the background so as to not risk suspicion.

Diamond18 - I am really not sure what to think of her at this point. She has not really made any serious points or observations. From past experience, I know that she enjoys the fun aspect of day 1. From what she has said so far toDay, it seems that she also has been busy. I am slightly concerned about her, because she had the time to go back and make the list of all of the roles of the people who posted first in earlier games but she hasn’t really posted many opinions or ideas about what is going on in this village. The fact that she spent over an hour defending herself against a single comment seems kind of strange. (although, admittedly, the outcome was very informative and interesting).

Firefoot – Her uncommitted vote that put Nilp at 4 votes seemed strange to me. She seems to fit in a similar position as Lalaith. She has acted safely. She volunteers helpful information, but nothing specific about her opinion. She defends her vote for Nilp, saying that he was as good of a person to vote for as any. I am not sure that a wolf would vote in a bandwagon on day one, or give as little justification.

Kath- Nothing to go on as of yet.

Gurthang – He makes some remarks about how Eomer should be lynched early if at all. He also uses a verse in the bible to see who will react. On day two he comments that it is almost good controversial character is gone(Eomer). I think that he might be a little more careful if he was a wolf.

TGWBS- He has only posted twice. He suggested that we ought to not look at the Eomer or Nilp bandwagons, as the wolves were probably counting on this. This point is worth consideration. I don’t really feel he is acting particularly guilty or innocent.

I am going to go back and look at some of the people that I haven't looked at yet.

[Kath]

Well, I'm here, and my day has been much better :) However to morm I say - no way! I don't care if Eomer died you don't get me.

On the matter of Eomer's death, that was a surprise. With all the suspicion surrounding him yesterDay he'd have seemed a good candidate to leave alive so that they village would talk about him all Day. Had we ended up doing that we'd likely have lynched him and so killed an innocent. So the only reason I can think of is that they thought him the Seer.

Jenny's post 'I TOLD YOU SO' makes me a little suspicious of her. If she was so certain there are only two options. She is either the Seer or a wolf. If she was the Seer I don't believe she would make that so obvious, so I'm leaning towards her guilt.

Ah, must go, back later. I'm only as far as post 127 at the moment as I'm playing catch-up. I'll continue in an hour or so when I get back.

[Firefoot]

Okay, I'm back and not tired... going to try and go through everyone here.

Durelin - Banter on Day 1, vote for Nilp on "ninja business", later calls vote "throw away vote." There's really nothing on Durelin. Her vote for Nilp could be counted as innocent or wolvish. I'd like to see more from her. Borderline.

Caran - Wants to lynch the goose, vote for Jenny because she can be a cunning wolf, speculation on the killing of Eomer, trusts Jenny and SpM, suspicious of Gurthang and Glirdan, unconvinced by Morm, response to Glirdan. Caran seems innocent. She says all the "right" things and seems sensible enough. I'm interested that she votes Jenny, then comes back and says she trusts her. Leaning innocent.

Holbytlass - General Day 1 comments, rather vague commentary, points out some people she thinks may be bluffing, vote for Nilp to keep Eomer alive even though she'd rather vote for Durelin (not wanting to add another candidate to list), attack on Jenny. I am disinclined to suspect her overmuch for her vote, and I'm not sure why you all are suspecting her but not Ang; her vote didn't seem terribly different from his as far as I am concerned, with the exception of her actually wanting to vote Durelin, but I understand her logic. Her rather vague analysis on Day 1 might be called a wolf not really being helpful, but that seems like a normal sort of Holby thing. Leaning innocent.

Findëasëa - response to Eomer's point about people acting normally, comments about lovers, slightly suspicious of Glirdan, Holby seeming innocent, Nilp and Eomer both probably innocent, Lalaith fitting her pattern for wolf, vote Lalaith, thoughts why wolves killed Eomer, suspicious of Jenny, analysis post of select people. I've never played with her before, but she seems to be quite sensible and helpful. Her posts generally aren't long, but they're very explicit and say a lot. She could be a clever wolf, uncontroversially pointing out her suspicions and likely innocents, but right now I think she's probably innocent.

Lhuna - Firefoot and Gurthand lovers, wolves: Fin, Taliesin, tgwbs, vote Eomer. Pretty standard Lhuna... probably innocent.

The rest are coming... I promise.

[Durelin]

The one time I don't vote for SPM... *looks around* good, no one's quite out to lynch me yet.

Personally, I think Eomer was killed because the wolves were feeling cocky. And I mean...they have reason to, for now. :rolleyes:

Kinda and 'in your face' move by the wolves...which makes me think that the wolves have a good sense of humour.

Well...that doesn't tell me much. Except I know that Diamond definitely seems the type to pull something like that. But she's by no means alone.

I don't see her as very guilty.

Anguirel's very suspicious. I'm with morm on this one. His vote of Nilp in an attempt to save Eomer seems like a balancing out. That's why I'm also suspicious of Taliesin. It would be interesting if there were two wolves who voted for Nilp and two who voted for Eomer.

Staying under the radar might have come better not voting for either of those two, but it was all silliness anyway. And staying in the silliness on Day 1 I'd say keeps you rather 'under the radar.'

I think Holbytlass is a good candidate for wolfishness because: 1. her posts are always somehow attempts to analyze. 2. her vote for Nilp to tie up the vote...yeah, I know, she knew she would be in the hotseat for that.

And then there's Rune, an Eomer voter. He's posted just enough to stay involved, but not enough to draw attention to himself. His need for an early vote itself is not incriminating at all, and completely understandable, and it is also understandable that he make a rather random vote, but...why Eomer when he already had one vote? If you're gonna make a random vote why not at least make it a bit even or fair...

And then there's Taliesin. His vote made no sense, except to tie it up when it didn't matter. Perhaps to make it look prettier.

So there we have it: 2 Nilp and two Eomer voters.

Anguirel and Holby

and

Rune and Taliesin.

Maybe not the best reasoning, but it's all I have.

Perhaps I should be suspicious of Saucy, though...I'm suspicious of the very person he voted for yesterday, and he's much more amusing than usual. Something might be up.

I'll be back... I'll probably vote for one of those four. Though maybe SPM just for old time's sake.

Edit: Cross-posted with Kath and Firefoot.

[Findëasëa]

Rune- Votes early for Eomer. Thinks Eomer was killed to create confusion and calls attention towards Nilp’s death. Makes comments about how he is not sure, and confused. Gives helpful suggestions. He defends Jenny’s actions. He makes comments about the Morm and Anguirel situation. He makes a few opinions about people known, but these seem to be mostly attributed to gut feelings. Rune seems suspicious to me because much of the opinions in his post are direct responses or reflections of other people’s ideas. This could be a way for a wolf to avoid blame and to create confusion. Also the fact many of his opinions are based on ‘gut feelings’ seems strange.

Formendacil – Says that he is tempted to vote for himself. Jokes about how this will probably get him killed. He votes for Lalaith. He defends his choice to Jenny. He thinks confusion was aim of Eomer’s death, but also that one of the people who voted Eomer is a wolf. Later he defends his vote further, commenting that he was not aware of the tie when he voted. For some reason I find his comment about not knowing that the votes were tied a little strange. Although not beyond reason, especially since he was on a computer at the library, it just seemed very defensive.

That is all that I have time to do toDay. I think that the rest of the people who I did not have time to write about have all been receiving attention as it is. Since I will probably sleep through the deadline, I will vote.

++Lalaith

For the reasons that I listed in post #162. She is most suspicious to me.

[Durelin]

but I understand her logic.

Who said wolves can't be logical? ;)

[JennyHallu]

Jenny's post 'I TOLD YOU SO' makes me a little suspicious of her. If she was so certain there are only two options. She is either the Seer or a wolf. If she was the Seer I don't believe she would make that so obvious, so I'm leaning towards her guilt. You're missing three major possibilities. I could be the Hunter (read the rules: the Hunter knew Nilp's identity). I could be the innocent Lover, and know the identities of the wolves. Or you could realize the truth: I'm innocent, bright, and I'm not the only one who thought the innocence of the two we've lost fairly obvious. I just tried to do something about it, and turn voting towards someone for whom there was actually a case, however shaky, and I got really frustrated when that attempt was completely ignored. Plus, I'm snotty, and I liked being vindicated.

Trying to think who seems most suspicious to me, and trying to decide if Form is really suspicious, or if it's just my frustration from yesterday making me think so.

1. Morm-->Glirdan (Glirdan-1)
2. Lhuna-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-1)
3. Rune-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2)
4. Glirdan-->Kath (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2, Kath-1)
5. Nilp-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-2, Kath-1, Nilp-1)
6. TGWBS-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-3, Kath-1, Nilp-1)
7. Durelin-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-3, Kath-1, Nilp-2)
8. Diamond-->Eomer (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-2)
9. Anguirel-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3)
10. Lalaith-->Form (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3, Form-1)
11. Caranlondien-->Jenny (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-3, Form-1, Jenny-1)
12. Firefoot-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-4, Form-1, Jenny-1)
13. SpM-->Holby (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-4, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-1)
14. Holby-->Nilp (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-1)
15. JennyHallu-->Holbytlass (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2)
16. Formendacil-->Lalaith (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-1)
17. Findeasea-->Lalaith (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-2)
18. Gurthang-->Diamond (Glirdan-1, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Form-1, Jenny-1, Holby-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)
19. Eomer-->Glirdan (Glirdan-2, Eomer-4, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Formendacil-1, JennyHallu-1, Holbytlass-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)
20. Taliesin-->Eomer (Glirdan-2, Eomer-5, Kath-1, Nilp-5, Formendacil-1, JennyHallu-1, Holbytlass-2, Lalaith-2, Diamond-1)

No vote: Kath
(copied shamelessly)

Now, to work:

I highly doubt that there would be wolf-on-wolf votes yesterday, not with the potential for mistrust between the wolves. But I do think the wolves were not all in the Eomer-Nilp bandwagon. At least one, I think, voted off, and probably later, after that bandwagon was established. That's what I'd do, anyway. I also think one (a different one) voted early, and of the middle two, at least one voted bandwagon, if not both.

I think there were wolves in both bandwagons, but I may be wrong there.

So: I'm left with four groups of likely wolves, which may overlap:

Early voters: I'm including all those who voted before the bandwagons formed.
Morm
Lhuna
Rune
Glirdan
Durelin
I'm not including Diamond's vote in this category; the Eomer Bandwagon was already fully formed.

Of these there are a few that stand out:
Rune & Durelin: Second votes worry me. To my mind, that's the easiest place for a wolf to hide a vote. The wolf can then rest assured that he has neither started a bandwagon, nor doomed an innocent.


Eomer voters:
TGWBS
Diamond
Taliesin

Standouts: These are more difficult to tell.
Daga'y's vote really was what turned Eomer into a bandwagon.

DiamondI'm more inclined to trust: it seems her vote placement would be risky for a wolf.

Taliesin, on the other hand, I think I worry about most. A late vote (the latest actually) that brought Eomer up to a tie, after Kath had said she would not vote. Therefore a totally safe vote. If Taliesin is wolvish, I would say that he was not the wolf who brought up killing Eomer. His vote would be in a great spot if Eomer were still here gaining suspicion today.

Nilp voters:
Anguirel
Firefoot
Holby

Anguirel: Really it was Anguirel's vote that pushed this into a one-on-one race. However, I'm inclined to think him innocent because of his reasoning: to prevent voting from being a single, concentrated Eomer-lynch. Wasn't a great vote, but not in and of itself suspicious.

Firefoot & Holby are where I think we are most likely to see our wolf (wow, what an original thought!). However, I haven't the slightest idea which it might be, and, if my theory on wolf placement is wrong...maybe neither.

Off voters:
Lalaith
SPaM
Me: Not going to analyse myself. Best left to others.
Form
Fin
Gurthang

Honestly, my analysis is bound to be far less clear on these. Form still makes me nervous. SPaM and Lalaith I am inclined to trust (especially since Lalaith's vote was rather early)

Kath: has got to be innocent. An overly busy wolf would still have some kind of plan for her vote, and I think wouldn't have set herself apart like that.

Therefore: I think the wolves can be found in this (rather large) list.

Rune
Durelin
TGWBS
Taliesin
Firefoot
Holby
Formendacil
Fin
Gurthang

At least I've halved the field...

[The Saucepan Man]

Eomer = dead. Cast suspicion on voters. Should look at those who voted neither Nilp nor Eomer - the wolves want us to focus on these.As far as the Eomer voters are concerned, I largely agree with this (while remaining wary of Diamond). It may be worth noting, however, that you have an interest in putting forward such a theory, being an Eomer voter yourself. I am still pretty sure that there is a Wolf among the Nilp voters. The remaining two or three Wolves will be found, I am sure, among those who voted for neither.

It may be helpful to divide the remaining passengers along these lines:

Eomer voters: Lhuna, Rune, TGWBS, Diamond and Taliesin.

Nilp voters: Durelin, Anguirel, Firefoot and Holby.

The rest: mormegil, Glirdan, Lalaith, Caran, SpM, Jenny, Formendacil, Findesea, Gurthang, Kath (who did not vote).

Of the Nilp voters, I believe that either Holby or Firefoot is a Wolf. I remain more inclined towards Holby.

To me, the most suspicious votes among “the rest” category are those which might qualify as safe, throwaway votes or even Wolf on Wolf votes, namely those of Caran (for Jenny), Formendacil (for Lalaith) and Gurthang (for Diamond). Of the three, Gurthang and (less so) Formy look the most suspicious on the basis of other factors. I also remain wary of mormegil for, if anyone can get away with the aggressive, “in yer face” Wolf approach, ‘tis him.


Jenny's post 'I TOLD YOU SO' makes me a little suspicious of her. If she was so certain there are only two options. She is either the Seer or a wolf. If she was the Seer I don't believe she would make that so obvious, so I'm leaning towards her guilt.You know, I too am rather concerned about Jenny. As I mentioned earlier, and as others have commented since, her (seemingly rather frantic) attempt to save both Nilp and Eomer, followed by the deaths of both and thereby the proof of their innocence, may well have been calculated to make her look good.

I am also conscious of the fact that she selected, as her alternative candidate, Holby - the person that I had voted for. So, if Jenny is a Wolf, Holby is (contrary to my Holby theory) most likely innocent. I wonder whether, had she succeeded in getting an innocent Holby lynched rather than Eomer or Nilp, she would have attempted to transfer the blame to me. Or perhaps she was trying to gain my trust. Of course, that only helps me (and perhaps the Seer), but it factors into my thinking.

But there is one more thing about Jenny, although I have been hesitant to mention it. Earlier today, when attempting to explain her behaviour at the end of yesterday, she said:


Holby, my apologies for my attempted bandwagon against you. I just needed to try and save Nilp, and thought Eomer likely also innocent: and I picked you because I found your logic concerning myself suspect. It didn't work, anyway.This seemed particularly defensive to me at the time. But of greater note, possbly, is her interesting choice of words with regard to her attempt to save Nilp. She says that she needed to try and save Nilp. That seems to me to be a rather heavy Hunter hint, which is why I was reluctant to draw attention to it before. But, if Jenny is the Hunter, why did she not simply vote for Eomer (an unknown quantity to her) to save the person she knew to be the Ranger? It’s possible she thought Eomer to be the Seer but I can see little in his posts to suggest that he might have been. So, if Jenny is not the Hunter, why is she dropping such a heavy Hunter hint here? It troubles me greatly.

Sorry, Jenny, if you are the Hunter and I have blown your cover. But I figured that, if there is anything in it, the Wolves will have picked up on it anyway.

Edit: Cross-posted with Jenny.

[Durelin]

I could be the Hunter (read the rules: the Hunter knew Nilp's identity).

You didn't need to blow her 'cover' at all, SPM, if that's what she's covering, anyway.

[The Saucepan Man]

You didn't need to blow her 'cover' at all, SPM, if that's what she's covering, anyway.Indeed. Interesting that she feels the need to make the point again, and this time more explicitly.

Yet the rest of what she says in that post makes much sense and largely ties in with my own thinking.

And surely she can't be a Wolf again. :eek:

Perhaps she's the innocent Lover?

Who here fancies Jenny? :D

[Holbytlass]

Actually, Durelin, I broke the tie.

I suppose the only safe role to reveal would be the hunter because the wolves would not want them dead to possibly take one down. So either she is or a clever wolf claiming the role so we passengers won't be surprised that she is still alive.

suspect list
Durelin
Jenny
Rune
Findeasea

All were the #2 votes-very safe places to be
I suppose Firefoot should be there, too, since the theory goes one of us is innocent and one is wolf-well, I know I'm innocent.

[Lhunardawen]

*wipes tears*

Okay, so Eomer's dead. Sadly, I haven't the time to say much toDay. Does anyone have some of that awful fireflower thing that cured a guy named Eustace Clarence Scrubb of seasickness? I find it difficult to think well while feeling nauseous...

*runs to the railing to do a reverse-digestion process*

But wait. Really, Anguirel, I resent that. Cowardice indeed. I was merely living up to a pre-boarding, uh, promise of sorts. Never had the intention of having him killed...maybe...

But anyways, my pet theory for the Day is that Rune is a wolf. He followed an innocent's - in this case, sweet little me - vote without almost a second thought, and the next Day he's all sorry that his votee died during the Night. And these gut feelings are scary. I use gut feelings, too, and I am scary. And that list...form without substance. Mmhm.

Don't bother about Jenny - she's innocent. It's fairly obvious.

Here goes nothing:

++FIREFOOT

She's the wolf-Lover.

[The Saucepan Man]

I suppose the only safe role to reveal would be the hunter because the wolves would not want them dead to possibly take one down. So either she is or a clever wolf claiming the role so we passengers won't be surprised that she is still alive.I really don't think that she is the Hunter. Knowing Nilp to be the Ranger, the best course in her position would have been to vote for Eomer in an effort to save the Ranger. There was nothing to suggest that Eomer was the Seer, at least no more than anyone else.

So why these Hunter hints from Jenny?

[Durelin]

Actually, Durelin, I broke the tie.

Agh, terribly sorry! My mistake...


So why these Hunter hints from Jenny?

They're either accidental, or she's a Lover trying to confuse us. Which means she could be a wolf or an innocent.

Or I suppose she's a wolf, trying to get everyone to think of her as a risky lynch. That's foolish, though, considering she isn't yet in real danger of being lynched. She's bringing herself closer to that, in my opinion.

Wolf is definitely a possibility, though the Hunter hints may be more a mistake than anything else.

And I guess she could be the Hunter, who made a mistake.

Almost any way I look at it, though, I can't see why she would do that - any way I look at it, her hints seem like a real blunder to me.

Maybe we're reading too much into them, calling them hints?

[JennyHallu]

Grr...

I'm not hinting. I was just saying her choices were incomplete.

[Holbytlass]

I kinda agree with you, Durelin, that perhaps we are reading too much into these proclamations. I view boldness in a wolf as calculating rather than hyper/hysterical.

She is running the risk of being the plank nominee for clarification-see if she's a wolf(yea!), a lover (takes down a wolf/traitor), the hunter(takes someone down).
That would probably be me-and I don't want to be a pie*!




*Chicken Run

[Lalaith]

Oh blast. Real life has caught up with me in a major way. There's all sorts of things I want to comment on and think about but there's no time. I'm typing like a demon here with people breathing down my neck telling me to hurry up.
I have to vote. There are all kinds of things worrying me about various people. Formendacil is still acting weird IMO. The Taliesin issue too.
++FORMENDACIL

Last time he felt this callous and detached, he was a wolf.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have been looking over some of the post's from day 1 and haven't really found that much of interest.

Well there is the thing aboutIt seems like it boils down to Eomer or Nilp. I wouldn't say any of them did something that would make them suspicious, however..
after it seemed clear that Eomer was a likely lynching target, JennyHallu goes through everything to defend him. Perhaps she just wants a good player like Eomer around for a while, but it sounds like a wolf trying to rescue another wolf.

Surely a wold would never go out and protect a fellow wolf that strongley. . .If it fails it would be suecide. . . Just seemed odd that is all. but hey, it was a better reason for voting than most of ud had.

When I return it shall be with a vote. . .
(I am at a friend's place so I will only be online once more before deadline)

[Holbytlass]

Since Eomer's death and him being innocent, this theory of Jenny being a wolf defending wolf is a moot point, and proven not to be.

[Anguirel]

If we assume Eomer's death was a frame-up, incidentally, then Rune looks to be its most clear target. Eomer suspected his vote slightly more than that of Engels.

The point someone made yesterday about "masks" could be applied rather forcefully to Lhuna at the moment.

I am prepared to skirt the mire of confusion surrounding Jenny for a bit, being generally more interested, in the great chain of Werewolf, in her accusers at the moment. They are exploiting a potential weak spot as worries generally gather. My vague thoughts are turning towards Findeasea and Holbytlass.

I don't really share the Sassenach's suspicions of Diamond-of all the Eomer voters, she has done the best job of convincing me that she is petty, not evil, and it's a pettiness I often see in myself.

Things are starting to congeal towards those dreaded Lists again.

[Kath]

Back.

Holby's points on Jenny are good, especially that one about disliking bandwagons but trying to form one of her own.

morm's idea on Ang is interesting. It could either be a set-up, or a wolvish Ang trying to make it look like a set-up. morm does seem a little hung up over that though, accusing Glirdan of wolvishness as well for suggesting not looking at Ang right at this moment. The certainty of his view makes me worry, but he does have reasoning behind him, so I would be inclined to think him a tenacious innocent. Hmm, he's a bit jumpy actually, leaping on Glirdan for a comment about liking being suspected.

Di, morm thinking me innocent will last a grand total of 3 days tops. He will then make a case against me and attempt to get me lynched, it's always the way!

Now, theres that strange matter of Lhuna claiming that Firefoot is the wolf Lover. The only way she can know is if she is the Seer (as the Lovers are not same-sex), so if she is then it seems a very early time to reveal, though it would remove one unknown element from the game. The only way to actually test this would be to lynch Firefoot, which I am loathe to do because when innocent she is one of the best players we have.

So at the moment, my suspects are:
Jenny
Ang
Firefoot

What do you guys think about this claim of Lhuna's? I can't decide whether she's telling the truth or not. Lynching her to find out is out of the question because if she is our Seer we can't risk it.

[Firefoot]

Kath – Day 1 banter, says day going badly for her, surprised by Eomer’s death, suspicious of Jenny. No verdict on her yet; I’ll wait to see what else she comes up with.

Jenny - banter, not sure about Sauce, mildly worried about Gurthang, wonders where Nilp is, clarification, says bandwagons against Eomer and Nilp are fishy, votes for Holby to save Nilp and Eomer, says Day 1's can be productive, "I told you so," suspicious of Form, Gurthang, Firefoot, apologizes for attempted bandwagon against Holby, categorical analysis halving the field in which she will look for wolves. She's definitely an interesting one. Generally speaking, I've found that the ones that get most worked up over things are innocent, although Jenny is a clever enough player to bluff that. Right now, she seems likely to be innocent and the accusations against her mostly circumstantial. The thoughts of her being the Hunter don't seem far-fetched to me, either.

Lalaith - General Day 1 comments, says Nilp is acting Nilp-ish, not comfortable with Formen, not sure of bandwagons for Eomer and Nilp, votes Formen, wonders why wolves killed Eomer, says grudge kill is unlikely, finds Glirdan's analyses interesting. I can definitely see an argument for her trying to slip under the radar... she posts fairly frequently, and while her posts aren't really short, they don't necessarily seem to say a whole lot. She sounds very iffy on the points of voting for Nilp to save Eomer and saying neither really seem guilty to her (this is probably bad logic since that could probably be said for a lot of people, so maybe this is just a bad feeling...). I don't know... I'm rather wary of her.

Diamond - Lots of banter, habitual vote for Eomer, finds it ironic that Nilp bandwagon seemed largely to save Eomer, provides first post stats. All I can say is that the way Diamond is playing right now would be a very easy way for a wolf to hide. She hasn't really made much serious contribution to the game yet at all. I'm borderline on her.

Gurthang - Biblical and PotC references, bantering with jesting accusations thrown in, wants to watch Taliesin, finds votes for Eomer odd, Lalaith, Eomer, Nilp not really suspicious, votes for Diamond as a voter for Eomer, annoyed about Nilp having been gifted, not really minding Eomer's death, wants to look at Nilp and Eomer voters, general comments about Nilp and Eomer, confused by Morm, wants a look at Formen, dislikes comments against Jenny. He has made some good points and mostly seems sensible, but I have little doubt he could do that as a wolf as well. For the time being though, I'm leaning innocent on him... nothing really jumps out as wolvish. The Corinithians reference seems almost too obvious for him to be a lover... unless he's bluffing. I could see that. If he's anything, he's a lover.

Formen - dislikes Day 1's, tempted to vote for himself, votes for Lalaith because she voted for him, speculation on Eomer's death, mild defense of his vote. He seems to be behaving rather oddly. I don't know what to make of him; apathetic and detached seem to best describe him.

Glirdan - Banter, vote for Kath, says Eomer was too smart to leave around, thinks it more likely that there is a wolf in Eomer's voters than Nilp's, analyses of Eomer's voters. He seems to be acting fairly sensible; his posts brought up a few good points. If he is a wolf, though, I would definitely look at Nilp's voters closer and assume that there is at least one wolf there. Borderline.

Rune - banter, early vote for Eomer, confused by Eomer's death and many votes for Nilp, not sure about Jenny, analysis post. Mostly he seems to me like an innocent blundering along and not really sure what to think. I don't see a whole lot that looks guilty about him; he just seems to unsure of everything to be a wolf.

Morm - Day 1 type accusations, extremely early vote for Glirdan, dislikes Eomer bandwagon, Day 2 immediate vote for Ang - which I still find odd, however good his reasoning is - says Glirdan is probably also guilty, further accusations against Ang, finds Glirdan's idea to not look very closely at Nilp's voters very suspect, responses and list of gut instinct reactions. Morm is behaving very oddly. Between his early votes and apparent unwillingness to really even consider those other than the ones he has hi-lighted... I don't know. If he's an innocent, what the heck...? I would not be surprised if he had some kind of secret... seer, lover, wolf, whatever. I don't know. I could go just about any way possible with him.

<Ahh! So many of you! Only four left...>

Taliesin - banter, jesting mistrust of Sauce, wants to trust Sauce, says voting for Nilp seems like the easiest thing to do, says Jenny seems to be trying to rescue a fellow wolf (Eomer), votes Eomer. I'm not really sure what to think about him yet. Borderline.

Saucepan - [Sorry, he just says way too much to be easily summarized here...] He has said lots of sensible things, as per the norm, and I find myself trusting him, also as per the norm... um... if he's a wolf, we're screwed? ;) (Okay, this probably looks guilty, not analyzing him like everyone else, but I'm getting tired of these and he does say a lot.)

<Okay, I don't really feel like doing this for Ang or tgwbs, either. No summaries for them, just reflections as I go along>

Anguirel - I find his vote fundamentally similar to Holby's in that they both had other suspects that they wanted to lynch but went with Nilp to save Eomer. I'm not entirely comfortable with Ang's vote (less comfortable than Holby's, at any rate); with more than half the people left to vote, there was still time for anything to happen. (Actually, now that I think of it, I'm not comfortable with Sauce's just letting Ang go, nor others who are doing so...) I like his point early on Day 2 about how wolves might have tried to vote for other people than Eomer and Nilp in order to appear more innocent themselves (it would be working, too - look where most of the blame is going today - to Nilp's and Eomer's voters). I don't know what to think about Ang. I don't want to lynch him today, but he's not off my suspect list, either. I am ready to go either way with him, depending on how things continue to develop.

tgwbs - another one of those who voted early for Eomer without apparent cause. Like Ang, he makes the point to look at those outside of Eomer/Nilp voters. He hasn't posted much at all, making it difficult to get a reading on him, and for that reason I'll say borderline leaning innocent.

I need a break now. Will be back...

[JennyHallu]

Kath: What claim of Lhuna's? Her assertation that Firefoot is the Wolf-Lover? I thought that was just a joke. I didn't think the Seer could See Lover-status, anyway, can he/she?

[Gurthang]

Okay, real quick and then I won't be back just before I'll have to vote.

Saucepan, your insistance on my guilt is unsettling. I did what I usually do at the beginning of a game, which is either fly into some nutty plan (which usually gets me lynched) or say something completely off the wall to get people talking. I was trying to do the latter with the Corinthians thing. Needless to say, it didn't really work, as most of the responses were that it was simply an odd thing to say/do.

The rest of your case against me sounds more intact, and you're points are good. Basically, all I can say is that I post whatever comes to mind. If it makes me look suspicious, well, then it makes me look suspicious. I'm more worried about putting my thoughts out into the discussion than what people are going to think of those thoughts. I want people to talk, and since I'm expendable, I say some weird stuff to get them to talk. Sometimes it gets me in trouble. But I don't mind so much, just as long as there is discussion.

Right now, morm and Formendacil are the only two I've got any suspicions against. If I have time, I'll try to glance through their posts.

[Taliesin]

..for I am finally here.

I'll make a more interesting post later since I've only read some of the posts. I just want to explain my vote for Eomer last day.


- Okay, this is the most suspicious part of all his posts. He really contradicts himself in his post #83 where he says he doesn't want to follow the Eomer bandwaggon. That makes him highly suspicious in my mind. Another thing that gets me is how much he jokes around until this point. I'm definetly going to keep an eye on him.

Yes, at first I didn't feel like following the Eomer bandwagon, because he hadn't said anything at all and it isn't fair to vote someone off because of his job description. Later, when he said a few things, and gathered a few more votes, suddenly he and especially JennyHallu insisted on the remaining voters to lynch someone else. I started wondering how she was so sure Eomer was innocent, and figured it might be a wolf defending another wolf. So although my vote wasn't going to help Nilp anymore, I figured I should vote for Eomer then, and start making a case today. Boy was I wrong :) .

About the joking around, that's quite a different story, last time I played half a game as non-Cailin I wasn't around that much. So I only tried to show I'm around a lot more now, or trying too :D .

[Kath]

Kath: What claim of Lhuna's? Her assertation that Firefoot is the Wolf-Lover? I thought that was just a joke. I didn't think the Seer could See Lover-status, anyway, can he/she?
Yes that's what I meant. Hmm, let's see.

The Seer

Every Night, including the first, the Seer is allowed one dream. The Seer will PM their choice to both the mods and the role of that person is revealed. The Ordinary Lover will appear as an Ordinary Villager to the Seer's eyes.
But what about the Wolf Lover, which is what she claims Firefoot is? Can the Seer see which wolf it is, or just that they're a wolf?

[Anguirel]

Yep, Kath, I think the revision's getting to you...seems to be a joke to me...I think we can relax on that account, at least.

You know, it's just occurred to me that I seem to be the most comprehensively suspected fellow on board. morm's initial campaign was that of an innocent paranoiac, but I'm rather more worried about those who second him...especially Kath, whose point I really can't grasp. "It could either be a set-up." Whose set-up, and of whom, and what? morm setting me up? Ludicrous in my view.

Really, if morm's rant achieved anything it made me surer that my Day 1 theory was turnip juice. I think its bracketting with his continual and equally bizarre assault on Glirdan is reason enough to laugh at it. If I weren't innocent, I'd suspect him of being a Seer who'd got two wolves in two nights, but as it is I put it down to the specialness which makes morm so dear to all our hearts.

He's just suspected me for quite the wrong reasons. If you want to make a case against me, my vote was pretty dodgy and was a far more solid foundation.

I'm going to be having a glance at our resident health and safety operative now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Since Eomer's death and him being innocent, this theory of Jenny being a wolf defending wolf is a moot point, and proven not to be.

I am quite aware of this Holby. I was just saying it was a wierd thing to say. When ever I encounter a statement I don't understand I comment on it, as it can be usefull later in the game.

It seems like I have come under suspicion from quite a few people. I cannot defend my vote with other than I told before I cast it. . . I was in a hurry and Eomer seemed as good a choise as anybody.

I found Firefoot latest contribution quite usefull, it could of course just be because of SPM's comment about flying under the radar that this is postet, but I doubt it. Anyways I will not vote Firefoot today.

That only leav Glirdan and Hobly on my list. . .

++Holbytlass

Mostly because I know she is capable of more than she has shown and I always find this a bit suspicious.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I have succeeded only in confusing myself today. And everyone else's contributions, while manily solid, have not helped clarify anything for me. But now I must vote if I am not to miss tonight's beautiful game on the magical box.

That being the case, I will revert to my original main suspects of the day: Gurthang, Holbytlass and Firefoot.

Gurthang's defence has somewhat assuaged my concerns over him as, based on my experience of his past endeavours, it rings true. Which leaves Firefoot and Holby. I still believe that one of them is the Nilp-voting Wolf. I am less sure as to which one it is, but Firefoot has come across to me as the more likely of the two to be innocent. So I will stick with the choice that I made yesterday.

+ + HOLBYTLASS

Incidentally:

<Okay, I don't really feel like doing this for Ang or tgwbs, either. No summaries for them, just reflections as I go along>You know, I much prefer that to a blow-by-blow account of what each viallger has said. I usually skim through that kind of analysis because, if I want to check what someone has said, I can look at their posts myself. I much prefer to read people's impressions of others. And I suspect that kind of analysis is much harder for a Wolf to hide within.

[Kath]

Ugh, well. I'm going to keep Lhuna on my suspect list because it was just such a weird thing to do.

However, I need to vote now because I may not be here later so:

++JENNY

Because I have been suspicious of her all day for her surety over Eomer and Nilp yesterDAy, but I don't think she is the Seer because making herself so obvious so early isn't a smart thing to do, and we've never really had an explanation from her over that other than 'I'm clever so I know'.

[Firefoot]

Voting so far:

Ang – 1 (Morm 1)
Lalaith – 1 (Findeasea 2)
Firefoot – 1 (Lhuna 3)
Formen – 1 (Lalaith 4)
Holby – 2 (Rune 5, SpM 6)
Jenny - 1 (Kath 7)

Looks likely to be about as spread out as yesterDay's...

Looking at people who voted for neither Nilp nor Eomer (I'm thinking there is at least one wolf in the bunch), I've come up with three rough categories (based on reasoning above):

Suspicious
Lalaith
Formen

Borderline
Morm
Glirdan
Gurthang
Kath

Innocent-ish
SpM
Caran
Jenny
Findeasea

Ironically enough, Lalaith and Formen were the ones who voted for each other... I would say that Lalaith is more suspicious to me than Formen, and she is more likely to get my vote at this point than he is.

I don't really want to lynch any of the borderline people: Morm in case he's the seer, Glirdan for lack of real evidence, Gurthang because I'm just not at all convinced he's a wolf, and Kath because she's hardly been here.

Looking at people who did vote for Eomer or Nilp, they're pretty much all in my borderline list, with tgwbs, Holby, and Lhuna leaning innocent, although Lhuna is slipping. Maybe I've just forgotten how random (lhunatic-ish) she can be. Maybe living way over there (*gestures vaguely*) just does something to you... ;)You know, I much prefer that to a blow-by-blow account of what each viallger has said. I usually skim through that kind of analysis because, if I want to check what someone has said, I can look at their posts myself. I much prefer to read people's impressions of others. And I suspect that kind of analysis is much harder for a Wolf to hide within. That's probably true... I usually like to do a bit of summarizing more for my own good, to get thoughts together. But seeing how well Ang's and tgwbs's went, I'm not sure it's really necessary. Takes less time, too...

[Glirdan]

I'm back and there are a few things I'd like to adress before I go and vote (curse you studying!! :mad: ).

So, the vast majority of the time an Ordo is a first to post. Not all that surprising, is it? After all, Ordos alway outnumber everyone else. But, most importantly, this rather decries that whole myth that Wolves often post first.

If I wanted to be really thourough I could track the posting order of everyone out of all the games, to see how often one or more wolves are in the first, say, 10 posters. But I'm not actually as insane as I look. At the moment, anyway. Because that would probably yield some very interesting numbers.(Di)

You know, it would be rather informing. Yet, I don't think any of us are quite up to the challenge of doing that at this point...

Highly suspected Glirdan and Caran for low-level sneakery and throwaway votes (indeed spent some time deliriously murmuring "Glirdan or Caran, Caran or Glirdan...", poor chap. Maybe they were his last words.)

I noticed this to. I think he was probably just deciding out of us two who he should vote for. And to clear something up, my vote for Kath yesterDay was completely random. I just looked at all the occupations and her's kind of jumped out at me and said that I could use it as a random vote. You see, unlike my earlier ancestors, I am not one to bandwaggon, even on Day 1's.

SpM = Sense. Good.
Glirdan = Not sense. Good.(Engels)

Care to elaborate for us?

I think Holbytlass is a good candidate for wolfishness because: 1. her posts are always somehow attempts to analyze. 2. her vote for Nilp to tie up the vote...yeah, I know, she knew she would be in the hotseat for that.(Durelin)

These are great reasonings behind Holby's guilt, especially her vote for Nilp. We all knew she knew she would be in the hotseat for it and that could be why a Wolvish Holby would do it, thinking that because she can use the "I knew it would put me in a bad situation" excuse, it would leave her safe and not under suspicion. Definetly worth looking at.

And then there's Rune, an Eomer voter. He's posted just enough to stay involved, but not enough to draw attention to himself. His need for an early vote itself is not incriminating at all, and completely understandable, and it is also understandable that he make a rather random vote, but...why Eomer when he already had one vote? If you're gonna make a random vote why not at least make it a bit even or fair...(Durelin)

I like how you brought up the fact that Rune has posted little. That really worries me because Rune is normally a really vocal player and has great theories. I'm not getting that this time.

I'll be back with another list (not an analysis this time I promise).

[Caranlondien]

Despite my absence for much of toDay (I hate dial-up internet...) I too must vote soon. I've read over what's been going on, and a few things have looked interesting to me.

First, I agree with SpM (whom I trust, for now) about Gurthang, in that his defense of himself seemed genuine. I also agree that there is probably a wolf among the Nilp-voters. Anguirel I just don't find that suspicious. Holby I know nothing about, Firefoot and Durelin I know a bit about, but none of them strikes me as particularly wolvish. Maybe I should go re-read their posts...

I don't know about this whole Jenny thing. Before it seemed like her behavior was just her being true to her personality, but I have to admit her words have sounded increasingly odd. Still, I tend to think she's innocent.

Today (RL) I'm not finding morm as suspicious. Perhaps the shock of his immediate vote for Anguirel has worn off a bit, but I'm still wary of him.

Hmm, I'll be back in a bit, after looking more closely at the Nilp-voters.

[Anguirel]

My examination of Findeasea's posts, as it happens, did not justify my feeling of vague unrest about her. The only unusual thing she's done is to vote with interesting consistency on Lalaith, but Lalaith herself seems to have done the same with Formendacil.

While I wasn't especially comfortable with Holby, I will not vote for her as her campaign appears to be gathering quite enough momentum without me. This leaves Kath, Lhuna and Firefoot; Firefoot perhaps slightly more because her justification of her Nilp vote was really seriously thin. But then, Kath didn't vote at all...damnation...

Oh, now is the hour for blood and bandwagons
Mid howling of lynch-mobs and trading of blows,
Alas for the days when we drained back our flagons,
For now a bitter North wind blows...

[Glirdan]

Here's a list of the amount of posts thus far:

The Saucepan Man 19
JennyHallu 16
Anguirel 13
Glirdan 13
Lalaith 12
Findëasëa 10
Gurthang 9
Diamond18 9
Firefoot 9
Holbytlass 9
Rune Son of Bjarne 9
Durelin 9
Cailín 8
mormegil 8
Taliesin 6
Kath 6
Eomer of the Rohirrim 6
Caranlondien 6
Formendacil 6
Nilpaurion Felagund 4
Nogrod 2
the guy who be short 2
Lhunardawen 2

The ones bolded are the Eomer voters, the ones in italics are the Nilp voters. The ones who are dead are underlined.

Now split it into three groups (eliminating those who are dead and keeping the same format above [Eomer=bold, Nilp=italics]):

Low Posters: 0-6
Taliesin
Kath
Caran
Form
TGWBS
Lhuna

Middle Posters: 8-12
Lalaith
Findëasëa
Gurthang
Diamond18
Firefoot
Holbytlass
Rune Son of Bjarne
Durelin
mormegil

High Posters: 13+
The Saucepan Man
JennyHallu
Anguirel
Glirdan

(I realise how uneven this is and if you have a better way of listing it, be my guest)

Now, if we look at the Low Group first, we have three Eomer voters: Lhuna, TGWBS and Taliesin.

Middle Group, we have the other two Eomer voters (Di and Rune) and three of the Nilp voters (Durelin, Firefoot and Holby)

And in the High Group, the last Nilp voter, Ang.

So, if we follow the old age theory that there is at least one in each group, I think we can draw a list like this:

Quiet: Lhuna or Taliesin
Average: Rune, Holby or Firefoot
High: Ang

Now, it is possible that there is another wolf out of those, but it is also more likely that there is another Wolf amongst the quiet voters.

And now my thoughts are all muddled together...great...Wait, there is reasoning behind this madness...I just need to try and extract it from my brain... AHAH! I think I got it.

Okay, first, I'll bring up an updated voting list:

1. morm-->Ang(Ang 1)
2. Fin-->Lalaith(Ang 1, Lal 1)
3. Lhuna--Firefoot(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1)
4. Lalaith-->Formendacil(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1)
5. Rune-->Holby(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 1)
6. Saucy--> Holby(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2)
7. Kath --> Jenny(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1)

(Just realised Fea did this earlier, however, this goes along with my plan).

Seeing as there are already three of the Nilp voters up there, I think one more person from the Eomer voters should be added and preferably, I'd like it to be either Taliesin or Lhuna for these reasons:

Taliesin: Has defended himself yet his sudden switch of mind really doesn't put me at ease.

Lhuna: Has barely posted and voted with absolutely no proof or reasonable evidence behind them.

Of the two, Lhuna looks more guilty. Therefore,

++Lhuna

If you need me, I should be around until the end of the Day.

[Anguirel]

I'm going for Lhuna after all, not Firefoot. Her grudge against Eomer and her leisurely attitude are simply too suitable a disguise. I'm sure she would have delighted in last night's kill and expected to be to obvious a choice to be picked to avenge it.

Glirdan's vote for her just now is unfortunate for me in a way, but I was resolved on this course before he posted.

++LHUNA

[Caranlondien]

I find myself trusting Durelin. She seems normal, and sensible. I have to admit I'm hesitant to vote for Holby just because of the bandwagon that it would likely start. But I don't know about Firefoot; her long analysis-posts aren't what I would expect from a wolf, as wolves tend to be a bit overconfident at this point. Then again, with a traitor in the wolves' midst, they may be just as interested in analyses.

Hum-ho, what to do...

Oh, as for Kath, I don't think she's a wolf. She dared not to vote yesterDay, and I don't think she'd be so bold as a wolf.

And despite SpM's corroboration of the fact that once upon a time Glirdan did analyses all the time, I can't help but continue to feel nervous about his change in behavior. I'm hesitant to go strongly on this, though, because if he is innocent, analyses are welcome, and I wouldn't want to discourage him from them. Anyway, just keeping him on my radar.

[Caranlondien]

1. morm-->Ang(Ang 1)
2. Fin-->Lalaith(Ang 1, Lal 1)
3. Lhuna--Firefoot(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1)
4. Lalaith-->Formendacil(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1)
5. Rune-->Holby(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 1)
6. Saucy--> Holby(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2)
7. Kath --> Jenny(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1)
8. Glirdan-->Lhuna(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1, Lhuna 1)
9. Ang-->Lhuna(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1, Lhuna 2)

[JennyHallu]

Rune
Durelin
TGWBS
Taliesin
Firefoot
Holby
Formendacil
Fin
Gurthang

Of these, these are those I'm considering voting for today:
Rune
Durelin
Taliesin
Holby
Formendacil

Why just these? Mostly because I am less familiar with them, and thus they make me more nervous than the others. I'll be back in about half an hour, with whatever analysis I have time for and a vote before the deadline. Luckily, I don't work next Day, and should have time for more thought and analysis. (HA! Not in my life! I spend only a few moments of Sundays at home, and will be voting hours early!)

[Caranlondien]

++Firefoot

Since my last post (or was it the one before that?) it's occurred to me that huge analyses are an easy way for a wolf to hide. Though Firefoot's been giving her opinions, not just summaries, she's giving them in large doses, so people might be less likely to be able to pick out wolvish hints.

[JennyHallu]

Gah. Don't have the time for analysis that I hoped. So...just a vote.


++Formendacil

[JennyHallu]

Um...that's all of eleven votes. That leaves...what? eight villagers unaccounted for? Where are you all?

[Firefoot]

You know, whatever else people may think of me, analyses are historically the way I go... just because I don't do them on Day 1 for lack of evidence...

Ang – 1 (Morm 1)
Lalaith – 1 (Findeasea 2)
Firefoot – 2 (Lhuna 3, Caran 10)
Formen – 2 (Lalaith 4, Jenny 11)
Holby – 2 (Rune 5, SpM 6)
Jenny - 1 (Kath 7)
Lhuna – 2 (Glirdan 8, Ang 9)

Yet to vote:
Taliesin
Form
TGWBS
Gurthang
Diamond18
Firefoot
Holbytlass
Durelin

Yeah... not comfortable with this at all. I'm here till the deadline; still not quite decided about my vote. Formen and Lalaith are both likely candidates but if I have to vote Lhuna or Holby to save myself I will, even if I won't like it.

[Anguirel]

I suspect a flurry of last minute decisions is in the offing...

[Firefoot]

Only 15 minutes left to go... somehow, it seems that there will be several people not voting toDay.

[Durelin]

:rolleyes:

Everyone should know that waiting and watching people for as long as you can until the end of the Day is the best way to go.

People tend to do the oddest things around then.

Though Day 2 is a little early for anything really spectacular, much less entertaining.

So far all I've noted is mostly just annoying...

[Taliesin]

I'm sorry I am a bit distracted at the moment, so it'll be just a vote with reasoning today. I hope I can be a bit more around on the next day.

Lhuna has been making a lot of claims without actually reasoning why, perhaps that's her usual style I don't know. But it isn't really helping me trying to figure things out. She could very well be the reason behind the Eomer kill aswell.

++Lhuna

Just an update on the voting:
1. morm-->Ang(Ang 1)
2. Fin-->Lalaith(Ang 1, Lal 1)
3. Lhuna--Firefoot(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1)
4. Lalaith-->Formendacil(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1)
5. Rune-->Holby(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 1)
6. Saucy--> Holby(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2)
7. Kath --> Jenny(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1)
8. Glirdan-->Lhuna(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1, Lhuna 1)
9. Ang-->Lhuna(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 1, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1, Lhuna 2)
10. Caranlondien-->Firefoot(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 2, Form 1, Holby 2, Jenny 1, Lhuna 2)
11. JennyHallu-->Formendacil(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 2, Form 2, Holby 2, Jenny 1, Lhuna 2)
12. Taliesin-->Lhuna(Ang 1, Lal 1, Firefoot 2, Form 2, Holby 2, Jenny 1, Lhuna 3)

[Gurthang]

I just got back. I'll try to catch up as much as possible before I vote.

It did just strike me, though. I'd really like to hear more from TGWBS. He's barely said anything, and I'm not sure any of it's very constructive.

[Durelin]

++Holbytlass

[Holbytlass]

++lhuna
self-preservation

[Glirdan]

Gah! Five minutes till the end of the Day and we're at a standstill...again....

[mormegil]

Odd, I haven't been able to follow as much but our voting choices seem interesting. I think Holby more guilty than Lhuna, but perhaps I missed something today. I haven't kept caught up on the last 10 hours of stuff.

[Firefoot]

Well, now I can at least feel safe voting the way I had been intending to... I don't think either Lhuna or Holby is a wolf and am glad I don't have to vote for either. Even if one of them seems guaranteed to be lynched, there doesn't seem any way for me to change that. I doubt Formen will pick up the necessary votes.

++Lalaith

[Gurthang]

Decision time.

++mormegil

His early vote for Glirdan yesterday was not in itself suspicious, but the fact that he continues gunning for him today is really odd. I also noticed that he said nothing against Anguirel (well, I just skimmed quickly, but I didn't see anything.) yesterday, but suddenly came out and voted for him today. He might be the seer, but I just don't think so.

I see that Lhuna and Holby are the likeliest choices toDay. I don't really think either too suspicious, but Holby's vote just now did raise my eyebrow. I'll be looking at her tomorrow, if she survives.

[Anguirel]

So many last-minute, scantily supported votes. This will be a mystery to puzzle out next Day...I sincerely hope we've caught a wolf in Lhuna.

[Cailín]

Day's over now. Please stop the last-minute voting. Lhunardawen's death will be up within the next hour. :)

[Firefoot]

I see that Lhuna and Holby are the likeliest choices toDay. I don't really think either too suspicious, but Holby's vote just now did raise my eyebrow. I'll be looking at her tomorrow, if she survives. Holby's vote doesn't really surprise me... even if she is an innocent. When it's yourself, a known innocent (at least to yourself) versus someone else who you only think is innocent... well...

[Cailín]

The day seemed to both start and end in a haze.

"I am confused," began Firefoot, observing the freshly killed Eomer of the Rohirrim.

"Well, I am not," said Glirdan. "Oh no. Must mean I am sobering up." He went in search of some rum immediately.

"It's all her fault anyway," said Formendacil childishly, pointing at Lhunardawen.

"You are all wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It was Anguirel," said Mormegil.

"Nonsense," commented Anguirel.

"I really think it's the whale hunter," said Sir Horatio thoughtfully. "She is obviously trying to be helpful and contributive. Highly unfeminine."

"You know, I am the Seer, the Lover, a wolf, and the Hunter," said Dread Pirate Roberta quite non-comittical. "And an Ordinary Passenger too."

"I am confused," cut in Caranlondien.

Towards the end of the Day, it became clear it was going to be a race between Holbytlass and perpetually sick Lhunardawen. After a few last moments of horrible confusion, Lhunardawen was eventually picked as the guilty party.

"That seasick act is just a cover," Taliesin grunted. "Green is obviously just the natural tone of her skin."

Lhunardawen was pulled from her favourite spot near the port side railing. When Gurthang and Durelin approached her, she looked up.

"Are we there yet?" she wailed piteously.

"Not exactly," said Gurthang with an uncomfortable grin. "But you are not going any further."

"Oh good," Lhuna started to say, when she realised the horrible implication of Gurthang's statement. The passengers closed in on her threateningly, ensuring the suspected wolf could not escape.

"Dead by drowning," spoke Lhuna in a low voice. "Typical."

"Yup, rotten luck," said Taliesin, as he shoved her over the railing. After a few moments of helpless paddling, Lhuna went head down into the deep. The passengers waited until Lhunardawen surfaced again and to their great surprise, she looked calm and lovely, serene almost as she drifted there. Not in the slightest bit green or sickly looking. It seemed that although she had to die to achieve it, Lhunardawen had finally gotten her sealegs.

"I am confused," repeated Kath.

Lhunardawen had been neither evil nor not-as-innocent-as-she-appeared. She was an Ordinary Passenger.

---

Captain Cailín's Log

At least I can stop worrying about the hygienic consequences of having barf all over the ship.

Signed,

Findëasëa




~The dead ~
Nogrod – sub-mod, ripped into pieces of flesh and bones by the werewolves on Night1
Cailín – mod, forced to walk the plank at the end of Night1/ the beginning of Day1
Nilpaurion Felagund – ranger, lynched himself at the end of Day1
Eomer of the Rohirrim – ordinary passenger, replaced the main topmast during Night2
Lhunardawen - ordinary passenger, overcame her seasickness by force at the end of Day2.


~The living ~
Durelin -- eye-borrowing Jounin instructor
Caranlondien -- ships's bartender
Holbytlass -- whale hunter
Findëasëa -- Occupational health and safety specialist
Kath -- plotting slave
JennyHallu -- Dread Pirate Roberta
Lalaith -- Football Widow
Diamond18 -- Weslamond, the Dread Pirate Roberta's protégé
Firefoot -- wandering traveller with a dog that dislikes pirates

Gurthang -- Plank Operator
Formendacil -- Ne'er-do-well stowaway of snobbish, blue-blooded origins
Rune Son of Bjarne -- crazy slave, with an obsession for cheese
Mormegil -- the vocal nitpick who can find fault in anything
Taliesin -- criminal who was set adrift
Saucepan Man -- Rear-Admiral Sir Horatio Potboiler
Sir Anguirel Spens (Anguirel)
Glirdan -- drunken porter
Friedrich Engels (the guy who be short)


Night 3 has now started. I need names from the Wolves and the Seer and possibly from the Hunter.

[Cailín]

The wolves killed JennyHallu (i.e. the Dread Pirate Roberta) who was the Hunter, and she took no good Formendacil with her, who was an Ordinary Passenger.

Day 3 has now started. Narration will be up later. *hic* ;)

[the guy who be short]

How positively exciting!

If I were more conscious, I'd come up with a theory and astound you all with my brilliance.

Alack.

[Glirdan]

Major OCC - Hey! She stole my line AND my rum!! :p

Oh great! Another death that was actually more random than not....or is it? Isn't it true that Jenny stated yesterDay that she was the Hunter...and the Seer...and an Ordo....and a Wolf....and the Lover....ah you get the point. Anyway, is it possible the Wolves actually believed she was the Seer and decided to go after her on that assumption? Hmmm....I wonder...

Now I shall depart. Without having rum around, I'm starting to feel queasy...I'm going to go lay down...

RL (again) - I'm suddenly not feeling well and I need to go relax. I should be back later on.

[Findëasëa]

Ack, we are down another two valuable passengers, one of whom was our hunter. I was really surprised to see that Lhuna was lynched yesterday. She was acting strangely, sure, but as some of us discovered recently, an absence of strange behavior would indicate guilt much more strongly. I am going to go back and review the actions that resulted in Lhuna’s death for clues.

[Gurthang]

TGWBS, please, by all means do return more conscious. I am growing weary, and wary, of your lack of input.

Thankfully, it is the weekend. I should be able to look more into morm, Guy, and maybe Holbytlass.

[the guy who be short]

Glirdy - you earlier asked what I meant by "glirdan = not sense." A post you had made earlier concerning Nilp voters didn't seem logical to me. As I expect weirdness from you, I presumed, and still presume, you to be innocent.


TGWBS, please, by all means do return more conscious. I am growing weary, and wary, of your lack of input.
Never fear, Lack-of-Sleep-man is here! By which I mean, I'll be awake in about 14 hours, probably.

[Lalaith]

So Jenny was the Hunter – I suspected as much. It was also fairly likely that her hunt would come off the list she posted yesterday…and that Form was her most likely victim. So, of course, as Form was not a wolf, the wolves knew they were probably safe to kill her.
I cannot blame Jenny for suspecting Form, I did so myself. (Particularly as I had no time to formulate any new suspicions before voting.) However, after his total non-appearance yesterday, I did wonder if his detachment was genuine rather than affected, in which case he was probably innocent.

I’m in the middle of writing a long post about my thoughts on everyone, which depending on time I will post either tonight or when I wake up tomorrow.

Oh and while I don’t usually defend myself over-much against accusations as in my experience it’s counter-productive, I can’t resist a little exposition on the subject of Findeasea’s suspicions of me. Because, for philosophers, it is such a classic case of rationalism versus empiricism. Fin is clearly a rationalist. She has a preconceived idea of what a wolf is like, finds I fit that idea so ergo – I’m a wolf.
Now, rationalism has a fine tradition but I have always found its epistemological rival, empiricism, to be a more flexible and useful reasoning tool. That is I like to observe, and apply my knowledge and experience to those observations, drawing conclusions post priori rather than a priori. Wolves come in very different shapes, sizes and disguises, and we need flexibility in our thinking to catch them.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Jenny as the Hunter really is not that big of a suprise after yesterday, that she chose Formendacil on the otherhand was a bit of a suprise to me. I know she voted for him, but I would have thought the hunter would choose another than the one they voted for. Well another thing is, it really does not help me. (might be usefull for you, but not for me) The few posts where I realy noticed Formendacil, he seemed to make sence. Because of this he was low on my suspect list.

I will start by commenting on something said after I left yesterday.
I like how you brought up the fact that Rune has posted little. That really worries me because Rune is normally a really vocal player and has great theories. I'm not getting that this time.
This is a thing I find very interesting, as it does not resemble the look I have on my own skills at all. I have always thought I was semi-vocal at best, spiced with some theories of mixed quality. . .
I don’t know why Glirdan’s memory is different than mine. It could be because my last game was quite good or it could just be because he missed me so much that all his memories of me have changed to the better. . .

This might not be a big thing as everybody has a different view on each other and one self. I am actually quite flatterd by the whole thing.

For now I don’t have a prime suspect, but as I will have to cast my vote early. I shall try to be as productive as possible while I am here . .

[Firefoot]

Yesterday's voting:

Ang – 1 (Morm 1)
Lalaith – 2 (Findeasea 2, Firefoot 15)
Firefoot – 2 (Lhuna 3, Caran 10)
Formen – 2 (Lalaith 4, Jenny 11)
Holby – 3 (Rune 5, SpM 6, Durelin 13)
Jenny - 1 (Kath 7)
Lhuna – 4 (Glirdan 8, Ang 9, Taliesin 12, Holby 14)
Morm – 1 (Gurthang 16)

Did not vote: Form, TGWBS, Diamond

With four wolves and a lover still here, we now have a 5/16 shot at catching a wolf (since the wolf dies with the lover). That's pretty good odds... which is good and bad, I suppose - good because we have a reasonable chance of catching a wolf, bad because it means we haven't caught any yet...

I don't know how much I'm going to be around toDay (long story - issues...).

[Findëasëa]

Lalaith- I agree that flexibility is essential toward the discovery of a wolf. You do have a fair point, my suspicions of you originally did have a root in preconceived ideas of how a wolf may act, as you first seemed suspicious to me on day one, and there was very little to go on besides such notions. However, I feel that my vote on day two was not, as you seem inclined to believe, based on following a rigid formula. In the specific situation that presented itself yesterDay, it makes sense that a wolf should follow the behavior pattern that you did, there was no reason for a wolf to risk themselves, you voted safe and stayed out of the spotlight. As you might have noted from my analysis, I spent a good deal of time yesterday reviewing the actions of as many players as possible and attempting to find evidence of wolfish behavior. I may be missing the finer point that you were trying to make, but it seems like you are trying to dismiss my suspicions as flawed and thoughtless. Please know that I would not have voted for you if you did not seem most suspicious to me.

[Lalaith]

Not at all thoughtless, Findëasëa. As I said, rationalism is an honourable epistomological tradition, and you are free to vote for me on whatever grounds you like. I'm not a wolf, of course, but then, I expect most of us are getting it wrong in these early days. I was totally wrong about Form.
Indeed, most of us clearly are getting it wrong, as we haven't gpt a wolf yet...

[Lalaith]

Oh, and happy birthday, by the way. :)


(Oh dear, I'm always doing this in WW. I was mean to Jenny on her 21st. Of course, she *was* a wolf...)

[Diamond18]

Alas.... I'm crushed. I guess Jenny's death makes me the Dread Pirate Roberta now. (That's how it works in The Princess Bride. Though, technically, she should have retired to enjoy her spoils instead of been rudely mauled to death.)

Only, I'm not up the task. I've been debating a little here whether I ought to refrain from voting toDay and let some ModFire take care of me. Because I can tell you pretty surely that my participation isn't going to get any better than it has been. I knew before signing up for this game that it wasn't the best idea, due to RL timing, but the lure of pirates and lovers and it being Cailín's game made me ignore my smarter self.

Thing is, pride is still making me ignore my smarter self. :p I don't like the idea of having a withdrawal or a ModFire death on my record, so to speak. But then, I really don't want to be lynched, because I'm damn proud of my "never been lynched" record -- and hanging about not participating and throwing up votes just to stay in the game is a good way to garner an "ire lynching." So what to do.... what to do.... Um, would you wolves believe me if I said I'm the Seer and kill me? No? Well, it was worth a shot.

I think I am going to vote. Just because I actually have a suspect, oddly enough. You see, all I've really done is read over all the posts once -- and I can never do anything smart if that's all I've done. I have to at least re-read the whole game once or twice, and preferably analyze individual players, and most preferably have some kind of whack theory to view things through a la tinted glasses. But I've either not had the time, or when I have had the time, I've been much too preoccupied and neither my head or my heart have been in it. So this pretty much means that I don't have any opinions about anyone (seeing as I hardly remember who made what posts, anyway.) But the one exception is Saucepan Man. His posts have made me feel uneasy, and the fact that most everyone else is putting him on their "likely innocent" lists makes me even more uneasy.

+ + The Saucepan Man

And no, you're not going to get any solid reasoning, because it's pretty much a gut thing. I'm comfortable making this vote because, even if I am wrong, the likelihood of a bandwaggon forming off my vote is pretty slim. My impression reading through was that the majority trusts him. For what it's worth, I don't, and I don't think anyone should, but you apparently do, so oh well.

Oh, and I'm not a wolf. I think it's fairly obvious and this is why -- wolves don't make petty kills at Night. Unless they're very, very stupid. And while I have been too preoccupied this week to play the game the way I ought, I'm not that stupid. Neither is Lhuna, which was why lynching her was, yes, stupid. :p You're not going to find wolves amongst people who petty/grudge voted against Eomer, because those are not the same people who as wolves would have killed him at night. Now, people who voted for him for other reasons, I really can't say, though I find it doubtful.

So, I haven't really decided what to do but I don't want to definitely exit myself from the game just yet. Hence the vote. This will be my last contribution for the Day. Next week will be rather busy for me (I have this silly idea to cram multiple trips to Summerfest (http://www.summerfest.com/music/summerfestdaily.htm) in between my two jobs, haha haha haha) so I may just ask Cailín to off me anyway. I guess the only thing stopping me is a dislike for the idea. I'm kind of hoping that by sticking around I'll at least boost the Innocent numbers for you, even if my personal contribution isn't good for much else.

Of course, if everyone just screams at me to get my useless rump gone, I suppose I could do that as well. *shrug*

[Diamond18]

PS -- I second Lal's birthday wishes to Fin. :D We really should have a birthday thread, just like the deathday thread.... Oh well, a thought for another time when I don't have people nagging me to get off the computer. :rolleyes:

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

TGWBS

Has a strange Day 1 vote, but most of us did. Then he has his for me really weird post about sense and not sense are both good. Now it seems that he is not conscious! I don’t know why I did not notice that he had hardly posted at all. Anyways I normally don’t like when people post that little, unless there is something in there posts that makes me “trust” them. That was the case with Lhuna and therefore she didn’t even make my list of people to watch. The fact that I really like playing with Lhuna might have had some influence as well. (Lhuna is often the person who I understands the best) TGWBS on the other hand does nothing to make me trust him, he comes with some very confusing statements and that is it. I really dislikes this because that makes him really hard to get a read on and I don’t like having people like that in the end of a game. (this is why I normally vote for Wayne early on) There is a chance that he may just be an ordo acting weird for some reason I don’t know, but I also see it as definite possibility that he is a very bold wolf. Should he turn out an ordo it is a loss that I for one can live. Right now I don’t see any potential in having him around. I am not very demanding and I am not saying that he should come up with a brilliant post for me to not vote for him. I am just asking for him to post a bit more substantial so that their may be something to judge him by.
If nothing changes while I am sleeping, he is very likely to get my vote.

Glirdan

He is very difficult for me to classify, he has not done anything that is overly suspicious, but I find that he has some weird comments once in a while. Then he has his analyses. Although SPM did not find them overly useful, I was kind of pleased with them, the ones that focused on the individuals that is. They were not the greatest in the world, but it was better than anything me and a lot of others had come up with at that point. Then he has some kind of theory about how much people post! Although I my self get suspicious in the extreme cases, I did not see how that could be really useful, as I see it it could be interpreted in a 1000 different ways and really did not help one bit. This is a thing that makes me slightly suspicious of him. It could be a wolves way of contributing with something that points in every direction and therefore is likely not to lead anywhere. It would also work great if the wolf would be lynched, there would be nothing to go by. (on that single post that is). So all in all Glirdan seems a bit suspicious, but for now he is not troubling me to much.

Mormegil and Anguriel

As I said earlier I believe that there is a good chance that one of them might be a wolf, but I still don’t know who. I will wait and see what happens; there is still a couple of things I need to get cleared before I can make a judgement. The thing is that Mormegils is so sure in his accusations (which if true is brilliant spotted, I might add) that it makes me think that it is either an ordo who has noticed something who is very wrong in the behaviour of another player, but it could also be a wolf who has been studying each post for the slightest contradiction and then jumps one it when found. If nothing new happens I will probably have to go back and look at some of the old games for some clues.

Holbytlass

I still think that she has a lot more potential than she is showing and therefore I am suspicious. However I don’t think that she will get my vote today.

Firefoot

Pretty much removed her self from my list of suspects yesterday, as I found her contribution extremely useful and I could follow her reasoning most of the time.

Well those I haven’t mentioned I think innocent for now. Some because they make sence other because I they have done nothing to make me suspicious. (that does not mean that I always understand exactly why they are doing as they are)


Man this took a long time; I should have been to bed ages ago. I will return tomorrow with a vote and then be gone for rest of the day.

Cross posted with Di and I don't know what to think of her post.

[Caranlondien]

Well, I'm not surprised that Jenny was the Hunter; it seemed pretty obvious to me from her certainty that Nilp was innocent. Things are looking sort of depressing for us right now...

Firefoot's post after I voted for her yesterDay has comforted me somewhat about her. She responded but didn't overreact.

I haven't had time to go back over all of yesterDay's posts yet, so forgive me if this is explained elsewhere, but tgwbs - why didn't you vote? Of course, I'm tempted to excuse him just for that, because I don't see a wolf being so bold as to skip out on voting... but I have to agree with Rune that tgwbs is unreadable. And maybe he would be that bold. In any case, he's being unusually quiet, and it's making me nervous.

[Caranlondien]

:o

Serves me right for not checking the main thread; apologies, tgwbs. My comment about quietness, though, still stands.

[Glirdan]

I'm back and I have things that I want to adress.

+ + The Saucepan Man(Di)

I was actually wondering when this was going to happen. I'm also going to say that it doesn't surprise me that Di would be the one voting for him. I myself have had my suspicions of him just because there's always the fact that he makes such a sneaky Wolf. However, keeping him around is a good thing. He's smart and helps out a lot, no matter how confused he himself is. In other words, I find him suspicious, yet not enough to vote for him.

This is a thing I find very interesting, as it does not resemble the look I have on my own skills at all. I have always thought I was semi-vocal at best, spiced with some theories of mixed quality. . .
I don’t know why Glirdan’s memory is different than mine. It could be because my last game was quite good or it could just be because he missed me so much that all his memories of me have changed to the better. . .(Rune)

No, I just suffer from memory loss in general. :p So it's quite posssible that it has. Maybe it's time to go give myself a memory update...

Glirdy - you earlier asked what I meant by "glirdan = not sense." A post you had made earlier concerning Nilp voters didn't seem logical to me. As I expect weirdness from you, I presumed, and still presume, you to be innocent.

Okay. I kind of figured that's what you meant but I wasn't entirely positive and so I asked you to clarify.

Must depart for a time being.

[Gurthang]

Well, I see I'm not the only one who isn't sure about Guy. Rune makes some good points about him being unreadable, though.

I won't have time to look back at those I'm suspicious of until about four hours before deadline. Hopefully, I'll be able to look through the whole thread and find something.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I really hoped that something would happen while I was sleeping that would show me who to vote for, but now I cannot wait any longer.

++ the guy who be short

You can find my reasons for doing so in my last post. (234)

[mormegil]

Durelin -- Innocent
Caranlondien -- Innocent
Holbytlass -- Unknown
Findëasëa -- Innocent
Kath – Likely innocent
Lalaith -- Unsure
Diamond18 – Possibly guilty
Firefoot -- Guilty

Gurthang -- Guilty
Rune Son of Bjarne – Unsure
Taliesin – Unsure
Saucepan Man – So many things I could say but won’t. I could think either way on him
Sir Anguirel Spens (Anguirel) – Uncertain but possibly guilty
Glirdan -- Guilty
Friedrich Engels –(TGWBS) Guilty

I still hold that Glirdan is guilty and being alive today on solidifies my belief. I think that the first night Glirdan went bold and killed off Eomer but when it was generally believed that I was not the seer he didn’t kill me because it would only make him look real bad. Glirdan is the type that will take some small risks, killing Eomer, but won’t go for the gusto, killing me, because that would be killing two people who suspected him in succession.

Well, now I can at least feel safe voting the way I had been intending to... I don't think either Lhuna or Holby is a wolf and am glad I don't have to vote for either. Even if one of them seems guaranteed to be lynched, there doesn't seem any way for me to change that. I doubt Formen will pick up the necessary votes.

++Lalaith

This combined with some other observations with a strong ‘gut feeling’ are telling me that Firefoot is guilty. You could have made a difference in the vote. It seems to much like “okay one of these two innocents are doomed and for the record I think both are innocent.” In fact this might be a good wolf-on-wolf vote at a non-critical time.

His early vote for Glirdan yesterday was not in itself suspicious, but the fact that he continues gunning for him today is really odd. I also noticed that he said nothing against Anguirel (well, I just skimmed quickly, but I didn't see anything.) yesterday, but suddenly came out and voted for him today. He might be the seer, but I just don't think so.

This came when he voted for me. Odd, I don’t remember ‘gunning’ for Glirdan yesterday. In fact I simply mentioned him in passing that I thought he was a wolf. That’s not ‘gunning’. If anything you could say that I was gunning for Anguirel, who insultingly calls me ‘special’.

Rune just has the feel and seems to follow what I would expect in him being a wolf.

TGWBS, when innocent tends to demand things like answers and responses but he seems detached and I think so because he's possibly guilty.

[Anguirel]

Awww, morm, do not take my quip so deeply to heart. I have no real wish to insult you. Without you no Werewolf attack could be fully complete...

It seems to me that more evidence is likely to be found in last evening's lynching than in tonight's kill, which is really fairly self-explanatory and leaves little trail. Did the wolves keep their hands clean from Lhuna's death or spur it on? If they encouraged it, why? Who did she suspect? Who suspected, or pretend to suspect, her?

[I'm out for lunch so won't be able to enlarge on this as soon as I'd like.]

[Kath]

Well, not an entirely unexpected death, but even though she took Form with her I'm glad she was the Hunter and not the Seer. At this rate we're going to need them even more than usual!

I'm not sure that there's much point in looking back over Jenny's posts for her suspicions as it seems more likely that the wolves killed her for her Gifted hints rather than who she suspected, but I'll do it anyway.

Post 22 - in character but asks that we focus on the threat a bit more, and mentions that at least one wolf is likely to have already posted before her. This was later argued against with Di's list I think.

Post 44 - again complains about too much in character nonsense. Mentions some suspicion of Sauce, Gurthang, Nilp and Di. Except for Sauce none of those were actually serious, and even the suspicion of Sauce wasn't strong. The talk over Di was a reference to the film too so unlikely to have been serious.

Post 75 - as in fact she explains here in answer to Holby's questioning. She explains why she was worried over Glirdan, and with good reason actually.

Post 85 - says she is absolutely against the Eomer and Nilp bandwagons. Tells people off for grudge-lynching Eomer, which is fair enough, it gets irritating.

Post 86 - implicitly tells us not to vote for Nilp, which of course she would knowing his role, and also insists we don't vote Eomer. Then votes Holby in the hope of getting the rest of the village to follow her to save the other two. This is odd. I think she must have believed Eomer to be the Seer, as otherwise she wouldn't have worked so hard to save him. That's the only excuse I can see for her trying to instigate a bandwagon against another villager, as otherwise she couldn't be sure that she wasn't about the get the Seer lynched. The vote for Holby did have some reasoning at least.

Post 89 - cross with Form for not going along with her plan and reiterates that a mistake is being made.

Post 92 - cross about Day 1's.

Post 94 - continues to try and save Nilp, suggesting everyone votes either for Lalaith or Holby.

Post 97 - again tells us Nilp is innocent.

Post 127 - gloats a little. Has Form at the top of her suspect list for his dooming Nilp/Eomer, well, this could explain why the wolves killed her. If they believed she was the Hunter and knew Form was innocent and top of her list it wouldn't be a huge leap to think she'd take him with her. Also suspects Gurthang and Firefoot.

Post 130 - apologises to Holby for trying to get her lynched. First says it was only to save Nilp/Eomer, then claims she was actually suspicious of her as well.

Post 149 - explains her suspicion of Form, of him being the one that made it impossible to save Nilp/Eomer after saying he thought them both innocent.

Post 168 - refutes my opinions with fair reasoning as it seems I missed out some rather obvious options. However, then says none of those options are actually the case it's just because she's clever. Claims the wolves will be within her list of Rune, Durelin, Guy, Taliesin, Firefoot, Holby, Form, Fin and Gurthang.

Post 176 - claims she wasn't hinting as to her role.

Post 184 - helps explain Lhuna's behaviour and asks whether the Seer can see the identities of the Lovers.

Post 200 - repeats her earlier list and has Rune, Durelin, Tali, Holby and Form as her main suspects due to being less familiar with them. Says she'll be back with an analysis and a vote and won't be around much the next Day.

Post 202 - says she had no time for the analysis and votes Form, presumably on the earlier reasoning. Again explains why if the wolves thought her the Hunter they had no qualms about her taking one of them with her.

Post 203 - complains about the lack of voting.

Well, assuming that the wolves had no fear about killing her, it seems fair to suggest that either very few or none of the people she mentioned were wolves, which in that case makes everyone on that list of hers an unlikely suspect.

Unfortunately with her death I lost my only real suspect, so I'm going to have to start all over again :rolleyes:

Right at this second I'm finding myself agreeing with the suspicion around TGWBS, he has said very little and what he has said has been of very little use. Since I appear to have some time on my hands (procrastination ;) ) I may take a look at him as well.

[Kath]

TGWBS:

Post 63 - some in character nonsense about overthrowing the capitalists, in this case Eomer, Ang and SPM, followed by a vote for Eomer. As it was so early I doubt this was intended to start a bandwagon really, but the earliness itself is odd. TGWBS is in the same timezone as I am and as I don't believe there was a reason for this early vote (correct me if I'm wrong there) it does seem odd. This was his only post Day 1.

Post 158 - says SPM is making sense which is good, and Glirdan is making no sense which is good. The logic sort of makes sense, but it would have been nice to have a bit more reasoning behind those statements, or any reasoning in fact. Says Eomer's death makes those who voted for him look suspicious, or at least that's what the wolves want us to think. Not sure if he's making a point there or just mentioning it.

No vote, apparently there was a reason however.

Post 220 - says if he were more conscious he would come up with theories.

Post 225 - explains what he meant by his comment on Glirdan and says he presumes him to be innocent. Says he'll be back in 14 hours.

And that's it! I'm pretty sure it's been 14 hours yet we've seen nothing more from him, and what we have seen so far has had absolutely no substance to it. I don't think I've ever seen him play this way before and it's worrying me. He could be a wolf trying to fly under the radar, he could be a Gifted trying to do the same, or he could just be an innocent being irritating. I hope to see more from him in the hours leading up to the deadline so I can work out which of these I think he actually is.

Now, I'm supposed to be revising so I don't fail psychology completely, so I must be off.

[Glirdan]

I am back and I must say that I'm quite shocked at how little people are conversing right now... CURSE YOU TIMEZONES!!!

Now, on to something else. Is it just me or is morm getting bolder and bolder as each Day goes by? Here's something I find really odd:

This came when he voted for me. Odd, I don’t remember ‘gunning’ for Glirdan yesterday. In fact I simply mentioned him in passing that I thought he was a wolf.(morm)

Haha! You're funny! Not gunning for me yesterDay! Are you kidding!? All you did yesterDay was attck Firefoot, Ang and myself and now Ang is not one of your "I'm absolutely sure they are guilty" ones. You're confusing me. And because of that, I don't know what to think of you. I think you could be innocent because of all the attacking you've done. You've been very persistent, I'll give you that. But you could be a Wolf. There's just something about you that's not sitting right with me and the fact that you have been gunning for us three makes me even more uneasy.

Here's a theory: Is it possible that Ang and morm are both Wolves and they're going at it to cover up a furry little secret?

Rune's points against TGWBS make me even more suspicious of Engels. Kath's points agains him are good to. Now I'm really suspicious of him. The fact that he's so quiet makes me really uneasy. I'm really quite scared of what he could as a Wolf.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I apologise to Jenny for highlighting her Hunter hints. But I really didn't think her either the Hunter or the Seer, as I would have expected her to sacrifice Eomer to save Nilp in those circumstances. There was little to suggest Eomer was the Seer.

I am not going to be around much today, so I am going to take the opportunity now to give my general impression of my fellow passengers as matters stand:

Diamond: Posted first and, when Glirdan speculated that Wolves often post first, spent a great deal of energy in effectively disproving the point. However, has directed far less energy to actually finding the Wolves. It might be said that she is being unusually unhelpful. Grudge against Eomer was a good way of starting off a bandwaggon against a dangerous opponent, and she only voted with it herself once it was in full swing. Latest post considers withdrawing, implying innocence, yet she decides not to withdraw for now. She may well be a Wolf. Her early and unreasoned vote for me is rather un-Wolf-like, but perhaps they now feel confident enough to start taking a few risks.

Anguirel: After an active first Day has quietened down considerably. Backed off from his Day 1 suspicions of morm rather quickly after morm began to focus on him. Don’t like the way he pointed out that he was resolved to vote for Lhuna before Glirdan’s vote. I thought of saying the same thing after my vote followed Rune’s, but thought it an unnecessary for an innocent, more the sort of thing a Wolf might say. I was inclined to trust him, but now I’m not so sure. His voting record is lousy, although it doesn’t follow from that that he’s a Wolf.

Glirdan: Coming across completely Glirdan-like to me. Which doesn’t mean that he’s not a Wolf. But I just don’t see it.

Durelin: Has acted completely how I would expect her to act (with the exception of a vote for me ;) ). Can’t see anything suspicious about her.

Gurthang: Some of his early comments were strange (and these have been discussed at length previously) and raised my suspicions, although his explanation was persuasive. Nevertheless, his votes have consistently been safe ones, and I still don‘t like the early encouragement of the Eomer bandwaggon on Day 1 (which was not really adequately explained). Still keeping an eye on him.

Kath: Really not a lot to go on, which raises concerns, but not overly so. I think that Kath, as a Wolf, would involve herself much more in the proceedings. Nevertheless, her efforts toDay at stirring a possible TGWBS bandwaggon are of concern.

Rune: Comes across as genuine to me. So either he’s a brilliant dissembler (which I do not dismiss) or he’s innocent (which I think more likely). Although he has been involved in both the "unsuccessful bandwagons” (those against Eomer and Holby), the fact that his involvement was so early makes them rather risky moves for a Wolf in the early Days. The same goes for his early vote today for TGWBS (see my thoughts on TGWBS and him possibly being lined up by the Wolves as today’s lynch victim).

Taliesin: His late vote for Eomer on Day 1 was notable, although he explained it well enough. If either Holby or Firefoot is a Wolf (as I suspect) his vote for Lhuna yesterday could have been an attempt to save one of his fellows. Other than that, I can’t see much reason to suspect him.

Lalaith: Has been contributing, appearing helpful, without taking too many risks. Her quiet competence and undoubted cunning, if a Wolf, does somewhat unnerve me.

Firefoot: A dodgy vote yesterday. Not only was it incredibly safe, but she sought to explain it away. Definitely suspicious.

Caran: Quietly helpful. Could be a cause for concern. As could her early thoughts about TGWBS, which might be seen as an attempt to encourage a bandwaggon against him.

Mormegil: His bold aggressive approach from the off is most un-Wolflike. But if anyone can pull such an approach off, it’s morm. If he is a Wolf, it’s working so far. The fact that he has not yet been killed is a cause for concern, but the same might be said about me (and usually is). He may be right about Anguirel (although he has now somewhat backed off from his Ang position), but I think he’s wrong about Glirdan. This may be a dangerous thing to do, but I am inclined to trust him for now.

Holbytlass: Still my main suspect, since little has happened to alter my original assesment of her. I just get the impression that she is being very careful with her posts. She voted for Lhuna to save herself, thus condemning Lhuna, and it is undoubtedly the case that a Wolf has more reason to save herself than an ordinary villager. Nevertheless, I would probably have done the same if in her position, so it doesn’t really add much, one way or the other.

TGWBS: He hasn’t been around much, but I don’t see much in what he has said to particularly suspect him. The growing case against him toDay seems to be based on his quietness and his ambiguous comments. The former may be forced on him by circumstances. The latter is typical of him. I am suspicious of all the suspicion gathering about him toDay and suspect that there may be a Wolfish plot to have him lynched.

Findesea: I believe her to be innocent because she has shown confusion over the rues twice: on Day 1 with the Lovers, and yesterDay with the Ranger//Hunter/Seer thing. A Wolf would not make such mistakes, so she is either being fiendishly clever or she is innocent. While I don’t doubt her intelligence, her confusion does not suggest Wolfish bluff to me.

So, to conclude:

Prime suspects: Holbytlass, Diamond, Firefoot

Wary of: Anguirel, Gurthang, Lalaith

Don't know: Kath, Taliesin, Caran

Inclined to trust (for now): Glirdan, Durelin, Rune, mormegil, TGWBS, Findesea

I am conscious of the fact that there may be a Wolf among those that I am currently inclined to trust, as my instincts are not the best when it comes to this kind of thing. But I prefer to narrow the field and focus on only a few individuals at a time. Unless something dramatic happens, my vote will most probably go to one of my prime suspects.

[Firefoot]

One thing at least seems fairly certain and that is that Morm is not the seer... I was half-thinking he might be, what with his insistant attacks and immediate votes on the first two Days... but the fact that he's switching around on those attacks (Ang...) would obviously indicate that he did not dream of him.You could have made a difference in the vote. It seems to much like “okay one of these two innocents are doomed and for the record I think both are innocent.” In fact this might be a good wolf-on-wolf vote at a non-critical time. I voted with four minutes left in the Day, which meant that any other votes were likely enough to be cross-posted. Even so, my next choice, Form, would have needed two votes (besides mine) to be lynched - with only four people besides me (only one of which had shown any sign of being around), it was highly unlikely that I could have made a difference. I wanted to vote for Lalaith; the only reason I was holding my vote was to make sure that I didn't get lynched. No, I really don't think in that situation that I could have made a difference. You might say, look how much she cares about saving her own skin, that makes her a wolf... innocents care about their own skins, too, you know.

Right now I have no idea what to think of Morm. With how bold he's been playing, he's almost daring us to lynch him. I definitely want to have a closer look at him toDay.

Also, a further look at voting patterns... with four wolves working together, maybe there will be something to see by now.

But all this will be coming in a couple hours... I'm off.

Cross-posting with Sauce.

[Holbytlass]

I'm looking at the vote record of those who have given nonbandwagon careful votes.

Mormegil:Glirdan, Ang (1/1; 1/1)
Suspicious in being first to vote and early on

Findeasea:Lalaith both times(17/2; 2/1)
voted late first DAY but was consistent with early vote on 2nd DAY, not suspicious

Lalaith:Formen both times(4/1; 10/1)
early and mid votes for same person but now a known innocent- a wolf o'course would know that

Glirdan:Kath, Lhuna (4/1; 8/1)
not too suspicious first day vote fairly early 1st DAY, first vote midway for lynchee

SpM:Holby both times (13/1; 6/2)
being consistent for unknown, despite it being myself don't find this too susp

Gurthang:Diamond, Morm(18/1; 16/1)
very suspicious both first LATE votes

Caran:Jenny, Firefoot (11/1; 10/2)
suspicious first vote for now known innocent, mid vote put Firefoot in 3 way tie

Kath:no vote, Jenny (7/1)
although always susp of those who don't vote, was first mid vote for known innocent

No votes 2nd day Diamond TGWBS
always suspicous of nonvoters


suspect list
Gurthang
Mormegil
Caran
TGWBS
Diamond
Kath
EDIT: Lalaith

[mormegil]

Post 127 - gloats a little. Has Form at the top of her suspect list for his dooming Nilp/Eomer, well, this could explain why the wolves killed her. If they believed she was the Hunter and knew Form was innocent and top of her list it wouldn't be a huge leap to think she'd take him with her. Also suspects Gurthang and Firefoot.

Post 200 - repeats her earlier list and has Rune, Durelin, Tali, Holby and Form as her main suspects due to being less familiar with them. Says she'll be back with an analysis and a vote and won't be around much the next Day.

Well, assuming that the wolves had no fear about killing her, it seems fair to suggest that either very few or none of the people she mentioned were wolves, which in that case makes everyone on that list of hers an unlikely suspect.

Well I somewhat agree with you, but it is interesting to note that Jenny changes her suspicion from Formen, Gurthang and Firefoot to a whole list of people on which Gurthang and Firefoot are not. Yet again another piece to a probably specious puzzle but it makes me further suspect those two.

[Lalaith]

Ok, mega-post coming up.

First off, all that flurry of activity last Day was a bit odd. Lots of last-minute, unreasoning voting. I do feel a bit hypocritical complaining about it as I was no better, and who knows, maybe we were all caught on the hop in RL.
But if anyone could do a Saucie-style vote tally for Day Two I’d be grateful – reading through all the posts so far and writing this post has taken up all my available time.
I actually don’t think that a Lhuna vote is that suspicious in itself as her own post that Day was very odd: if she really did think Rune was a wolf, why didn’t she vote for him? (Although I quite agreed with her about Jenny being innocent)

Another thing, I was thinking rather well of Saucie and Durelin, I was under the impression that both were stating their disbelief of Jenny as Hunter in an attempt to protect her. Now Saucie says that he really didn’t believe Jenny was the Hunter.
Anyway, on to my thoughts of everyone.

Durelin – At first she worried me, with her claims that her vote for Nilp was a throwaway, and the long time she spent making gnomic utterances “in character.” Since then, she has had a certain disingenuous insouciance which makes me think her innocent. I may be doing her too much of a favour here, but I still think she was trying to cover for Jenny, saying she wasn’t the Hunter.

Caranlondien -- now I know I said before that I was all for reasoning based on experience but Caran takes it a bit far. She voted for Jenny purely because she’s a fiendish wolf and trusts Saucie for no other reason than he’s been lynched unfairly in the past. Makes odd point in post 123, seems to think Eomer would only have been mistaken for Seer by inexperienced wolves, thinking he (Eomer) had found a wolf. Takes Diamond’s fairly jokey piratical self-defence literally. I don’t like all this face-value stuff, particularly from a smart player like Caran. Voted Firefoot on Day Two, at a nice safe, could-go-any-way time.

Holbytlass -- Did lots of analyses on Day two which seem to be in note-form so a bit hard for the rest of us to understand. Does however pickup on the bluffers which I think is a useful point. I’m not entirely happy with the way she picked on Jenny, but I can’t say I subscribe to the general suspicion about her.

Findëasëa: not just a rationalist, but an idealist. ;) “a wolf being sacrificed to benefit the team overall is probably something that wolves plan ahead of time, or only in a dire case” Hmmm… she clearly hasn't seen some of the dirty wolvish tricks I have had to witness in my time. However, I don’t particularly suspect Fin.

Kath -- One of the worst fates that can befall a werewolf player is to be considered innocent by the majority – it means the wolves will get you like as not. So maybe I should do Kath a favour by pointing out to those who have declared her innocent on the strength of her non-vote on Day One, that I remember a wolf-Kath laid low by hay fever doing much the same thing. However, having said that, I’m not particularly suspecting her.

Diamond18 – I’ve never met a wolfish Diamond, but this certainly seems an odd, (perhaps unusually RL-busy) Diamond. The Eomer vendetta could just as easily have been conducted by an innocent or a wolf, and while her Saucie vote was rather startling, one of her reasons, that everyone else was trusting him, is one I can sympathise with. The most suspicious thing about her was the way she complained about not much having happened out of character, without really doing anything to change it herself. I’m not hugely worried about her but I’ll be watching her.

Firefoot -- I was very worried about her at first, sinister comments like “because we’re never going to find out about him(Nilp) unless he’s lynched …” Then she claimed not to understand why Eomer was lynched, I would have thought more of Firefoot. However, I now feel much more comfortable with her (despite her suspicions of me!) she has been doing some really good analysis.

Gurthang --

Is puzzling me. On the one hand, I’m finding that his opinions of people are reasonably sound – usually a good sign of a fellow innocent. But on the other, his personal behaviour is rather disturbing. His remarks about Eomer, his biblical stuff, as pointed out by Saucie. Another to watch.


Rune Son of Bjarne – I haven’t played with Rune before so maybe I’m getting the wrong handle on him, but there are a couple of things that really worry me about Rune. Firstly, the bandwaggoning an innocent (Eomer). Also he spent a long time either in character or agreeing with or echoing other people’s comments rather than coming up with his own thoughts. He’s been a bit less suspicious today but I still find his behaviour worrying, and Guy is just such an easy target.

Mormegil – Been the first to vote on both Day One and Day Two. Morm, who in his last incarnation was a reasonable, helpful Wolf, is now back to his bloodthirsty self which I find strangely comforting. His fight with Ang over the corpse of Eomer seems to have abated somewhat, and he’s not yet voted today. I think he could be on to something. Your last post, Morm, could you elaborate?

Taliesin Hasn’t posted much. Voted Eomer because he said Jenny was defending him – this was an odd reason as Jenny was in fact mostly defending Nilp. Yesterday he sealed the fate of Lhuna. He’s worrying, although not my chief suspect.

Saucepan Man – I remember a time when a close relative of Sir Horatio was very disquieting to me because he was just making way too sense. That time, I had good reason to worry. Now he is making a fair bit of sense – but I can’t say I’m nodding in agreement with all his conclusions. To me, this feels more healthy and I am not too worried about him right now. However, the Jenny thing has slightly perturbed me (see above)

Anguirel: If we’re still talking grudges, my wounds from the beak of Emperor Ang are fresher than the claw-marks inflicted by the Wolf of the Rohirrim. The noble defence of Eomer could be a classic bad-Ang move. But on the other hand show-boating – ie the balladeering - tends to be the mark of an innocent Ang.
Glirdan -- I actually don’t find Glirdan or his day one vote as worrying as some of you do. He was spreading out the vote while diverting danger away from himself, which seems to me quite reasonable.

Friedrich Engels (the guy who be short) – very little to go on in himself, but I agree that the attempt to start a tgwbs bandwaggon today is interesting and should be watched closely.

So, at the moment my chief worries are Caran and Rune. But I want to hear more from Morm about Jenny's list.

[Durelin]

Durelin – At first she worried me, with her claims that her vote for Eomer was a throwaway

I voted for Nilp, sadly. But eh, easily confused.

I am a little worried about SPM.

I've been agreeing with him, and I haven't felt the need to vote for him. And he isn't suspicious of me.

It's shocking.