Survivor : All Star

[Lalaith]

Bethberry, you have been listening to Wormtongues of the worst kind. Anyone who reads the text with a clear and open mind can see that no revisionism has taken place there.
Merry crawled
on all fours like a dazed beast, and such a horror was on him that he was blind
and sick.
Still she did not blench: maiden of the Rohirrim, child of kings, slender but
as a steel-blade, fair but terrible. A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly.

If Merry did rewrite the history books, it certainly wasn't to puff up his own self-importance.
Have you wondered by the way, why Eowyn is not in the All Star Final?
You'd better ask Mormegil (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=420282&postcount=1032)

[mormegil]

Lalaith,

I never said anything about Eowyn and her feats of bravery in that. I merely had to stop rival Kath. No the point being made is that Merry radically alters history to suit him.

[Bêthberry]

Bethberry, you have been listening to Wormtongues of the worst kind. Anyone who reads the text with a clear and open mind can see that no revisionism has taken place there.



If Merry did rewrite the history books, it certainly wasn't to puff up his own self-importance.
Have you wondered by the way, why Eowyn is not in the All Star Final?
You'd better ask Mormegil (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=420282&postcount=1032)

Dear Lalaith: The perfect subterfuge with which to steer disclaimers!

To say nothing of the Merry who becomes a pompous, self-congratulatory Man of Importance in The Shire! Beside him, Boswell is a giant!

[Macalaure]

I have to say that I truly enjoy the current tussle about Merry.

So much, that I think it should continue for one more day - at least.

++Bullroarer

[Mirkgirl]

The exam went just as bad as usual.

Bah whats that with hobbits. Id rather take the elf

++ Arwen

The new Luthien?
If it was so she'd go smack Sauron toss the ring in the fire (with or without the hobbit attached) and make only a small detour to pick up Aragorn from the Paths of the Death where he got lost.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Arwen

In the movies she's obnoxious and in the books she's practically nonexistant. Hers and Aragorn's story in the appendices is touching, sure, but what else does she really contribute?

And let's face it. Offspring of Aragorn and Eowyn would be far
more feisty, with the grit to deal with Middle-earth's problems.

+ + Arwen

[Lalaith]

In memory of various clogged-up vacuum cleaners* I will vote for Hama today.

++HAMA

*An explanation (http://www.hamabeads.co.uk/)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Bullroarer

I do like golf, but it is over hyped. . . It is too much when they start selling golf-balls in discount stores!

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Bullroarer - 4
Merry - 3
Arwen - 4
Hama - 2
Perry-the-Winkle - 1
Sauron - 1

You have about half an hour.

[Glirdan]

FINALLY!! The two people I want out of this competition will finally be eliminated!! Thank yoU!

[wilwarin538]

Day 10 ended with a tie:

Bullroarer - 4
Merry - 3
Arwen - 4
Hama - 2
Perry-the-Winkle - 1
Sauron - 1

The Bullroarer and Arwen would both be leaving the game today!

As the elf and the hobbit walked away from the tribe, Glorfindel could be seen in the distance. Since Arwen stole his horse in the movie he wanted revenge. So he grabbed a golf club and a golf ball and hit it with all his might. The ball went flying and hit the Bullroarer on the top of the head, then bounced off and hit Arwen in the face. They were both knocked out.

So Arwen and the Bullroarer were both punished that day. Arwen for stealing a horse, and the Bullroarer for inventing a terribly boring game.

Thus ends day 10!

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Perry-the-Winkle

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You may now start voting!

P.S. I mentioned a couple of Days ago that I would be out of town Saturday through Monday, this weekend, and will have no access to a computer. If anyone would be willing to cover for me this weekend I'd appreciate it. If you could cover for me for even one of those days it would be fine, even if it's a different person each day it will work. PM me if you can. If no one is able to, the game will just have to be put on hold until tuesday.

Thank you.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

You are welcome Glirdan.

[Glirdan]

Now, I swear to aid you all (only once mind you) to be rid of at least one character. But keep in mind that if it is one that I really would like to keep in, I'll have to go against you. :p

But for now, just because I want to see all but one gone,

++Perry-the-Winkle

[Firefoot]

++Perry-the-Winkle

What kind of name is that? I think someone said it was a hobbit - what self-respecting hobbit would allow himself to be known as such? Really. Is there a such thing as a winkle?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Perry-the-Winkle

As Gil said: "The worst Winkel ever"

[mormegil]

Okay nobody has any real reason to vote Perry-the-Winkle. I'm sure the professor would be rolling over in his grave at seeing these 'fans' vote off such a beloved character. It is a true shame and you should all feel very bad about this. Did I not predict to you that there is a conspiracy plot to get rid of all minor work characters. Here is more evidence what do you need?

[Gil-Galad]

wow.. .second bandwagon i've started so far...

++Perry-the-Winkle

[Diamond18]

+ + Sauron

Don't make me repeat myself....

[mormegil]

Please read as this is the sum of my arguements with some additions as to why Merry is the best candidate for today's lynchings.

We should thin out one of the groups who still have 5. That is minor works, LOTR, and The Hobbit. I suggest we keep Bullroarer as he is fairly interesting, for a hobbit. Merry on the other hand is rather obnoxious, he can't take orders and without Pippin he's kind of like David Spade without Chris Farley--Useless.

Well neither one is here now are they...so he is rather useless. He's neither a good serious nor a good funny. He tries to balance the two but fails horribly.

Let me add to my Merry argument. He essentially is neither here nor there. He's, as I said, moderately funny but not enough to keep neither is he serious enough to be kept for his depth. He's not exactly dumb, and we can find some charm in dumb or slow witted characters, but he's not really intelligent either. He's not a blundering nincompoop on the battle field, well at least by the end, but he's no master strategist either and do NOT tell me the Scouring of the Shire plan was a stroke of genius, he simply blew his horn and had the hobbits out number the ruffians. He's neither repugnant morally nor is he scrupulous.

The sum of it is: Merry is just plain and average and nothing he does can change that. There's really only a sense of mediocre blah when it comes to Merry and that my friends is a rating killer plain and simple.

No, my opinion isn't influenced by the movies so no need to worry, even if it were it's fairly irrelevant. However you admit that Merry is fairly bland and mediocre...this character type is horrible for ratings. Plus he's Pippin's friend and supporter and that alone is crime enough for a hanging.

Really to keep some balance we should be voting for the hobbit or LOTR characters as most will see the poor minor works folks won't make it very far because apparently some of you don't appreciate those works.

Look at Merry's name. Double r's are ambigious linguistically as they are pronounce very differently depending upon the language or dialect even. Take Portuguese for example, in Portugal you would make a near rolling R sound similar, yet different, to that of traditional Spanish. However, in Brazil it would make something closer to an H sound but even then the double R is messy and confusing in all languages and should go


My friends, it has become horribly obvious that there is some deft subterfuge at work here. This blatant attempt to get every minor work character evicted is nothing short of genocide. Mark my words today the excuse is "I like Merry so Alf needs to go" and tomorrow it will be a similar story but it will be another minor work character.

It is our moral obligation to stop this genocide and save those characters who, through no fault of their own, haven't received their due recognition. Alf is a wonderful character who has much more personality than Merry. He has a rags to riches story unlike Merry who was born in the hobbit aristocracy and never did anything to benefit anybody but himself.

SAVE THE MINOR WORK CHARACTERS AND VOTE MERRY.

Merry on the other hand was born into wealth by hobbit standards and a family of power and influence yet he did little with it.

Alf was humble about all his experiences and fortunes, Merry however flaunted his riches to his final days and tried to usurp that of others. He is a thief and that's a fact! He stole from Saruman and then flaunted Saruman's own pipe weed when he was a beggar. He taunted a poor old beggar man that had been cruelly defeated and stripped of any dignity by trees.

What did Merry do that made him a hero? He didn't kill the W-k we all know it was Eowyn and but for the charity of a lady he would be relegated to telling Hobbit stories to the Rohan women, it is my personal belief that Merry breathed a sigh of relief when King Theoden wouldn't let him come on the journey but to his utter dismay Eowyn roped him in and essentially had to tie him down so as to make him come. Of course since Merry had access to the history books he rewrote history to make himself look better.

Bullroarer, however, stopped and Orc invasion whereas didn't even kill a single orc in all of Pellenor fields let alone stop the entire invasion.

Plus, and most importantly, Merry is named after an emotion! What kind of man is named after and emotion? Seriously though!

What did Merry do in the Scouring of the Shire? He blew his horn and devised the master stratagem of surrounding his foes with superior numbers. Had his foes had any level of intelligence he wouldn't have done anything and would have been massacered. The Hobbits for crying out loud, guerilla tactics would be much more suited for them then open combat yet Merry was too dim witted to even see this.

He would never be my captain.

Kuru but the arguement inevitably be he was a master stratagist, and the simple fact is he is not! Like I said anybody could think of such a simple tactic, why even school yard bullies who generally have a rather low IQ (approaching that of primate levels) knows that basic concept.

No he wasn't and he didn't do anything, like I said he has rewritten the history books and this 'noble' poking in the knee of the W-k wasn't what it seemed either the sad truth is he was trying to escape and got confused when he tripped and poked the W-k in the knee.

As for leadership ability, Merry couldn't lead a pack of dung beatles to a pile of oliphant dung!

Lalaith,

I never said anything about Eowyn and her feats of bravery in that. I merely had to stop rival Kath. No the point being made is that Merry radically alters history to suit him.


I have adequately demonstared that Merry is uninteresting and a cheat. Would be woefully inadequate in a real battle. Without Pippin he becomes even a worse character and the poor fellow is depressed because at least with Pippin there was somebody less intelligent than he. He rewrote history, that is a crime and should be punished with death the least we could do is evict him.

Let me write a cute little poem

Mediocre
Expendable
Repugnant
Recreant
Yucky (okay this is sad but it's a difficult letter)

It's far too obvious that there is a strong movement to evict all minor work characters and that is just disgraceful. This Nordic voting block is becoming far too powerful and they need to be put in their place and quick otherwise they will begin to think they control this whole thing.

Merry is trite and boring. Do I need to dig in the archives and find more letter from the Professor?

In letter 679.

Merry is one of those characters that I just didn't know how to deal with. I began to write him in but then as his character developed, if you can call it that, I began to realize that he never should have been written in but I was so far into the story that I couldn't write him out so I left him despite my ethical objection to leaving such an awful character. By the end his only real purpose to serve as filler material and add more pages to the text. I ended up giving him some story plots so it wasn't obvious that I hated him, so I made some definate hints for the observant reader to detect that Merry had indeed changed history to suit himself. Thus, those who have the depth to see these hints really know that Merry was a sham character in an otherwise great tale.

++MERRY

I vow not to change my vote until Merry is gone and the arguements will continue too :p :D

[Firefoot]

I don't know... author's intent or the reader's perception of Merry? Getting a little to close to the C-thread, methinks... :p

[Celuien]

Because it's Rune's birthday ;):

++Perry-the-Winkle

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Apparently Mormegil didn't have access to the original
manuscript of Letter 679, since it ends with
And as I explained to Jack and the Useless Quack I
have always hated hobbits. I only added yet another one,
and called him "Merry", because of the incessant whining of
my spoiled rotten son Christopher (what a brat!). And the kid actually
took seriously the bits about Merry I sent him when he was in South
Africa avoiding the war for years so I had to keep Merry in the
tale.

+ + Merry

[Macalaure]

++Perry-the-Winkle

Minor works character. No more reason needed.

[mormegil]

++Perry-the-Winkle

Minor works character. No more reason needed.

Diamond I call upon your sense of decency and moral outrage to help stem this tide!

Also any others who have any appreciation for any of Tolkien's other works to join in this battle for their right to exist.

[Thinlómien]

First off, thanks to Volo, Mac and Rune for your vote. I was very bored with the Bullroarer.

I feel I have kind of a debt...

++PERRY-THE-WINKLE

And whatever the Professor himself said I like Merry...

[Bêthberry]

Only the dog days of summer would see such a tussle.

++ Merry-the-Winkle

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, Morm, I must thank you for drawing me back into this world. I had previously noted that the Chief Warg was not present in this contest (why?) and so left the arena in disgust.

But on closer inspection today, I find that Tar-Aldarion (!) is in it.

:mad:

I can barely remember a more foul injustice! Morm, if I help you in your quest, will I have your support in outing the single most boring character in Tolkien's works?

[mormegil]

Well, Morm, I must thank you for drawing me back into this world. I had previously noted that the Chief Warg was not present in this contest (why?) and so left the arena in disgust.

But on closer inspection today, I find that Tar-Aldarion (!) is in it.

:mad:

I can barely remember a more foul injustice! Morm, if I help you in your quest, will I have your support in outing the single most boring character in Tolkien's works?

I will look in the old letters that I have and find any and all dirt in your quest!

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++MERRY

That's the utilitarian in me.

[Boromir88]

mormegil, wow, absolutely stunning. I'm impressed. :rolleyes:

Let's look at what Merry accomplishes...

1. Claims to at least be 'part' of the Witch-Kings death.

1a. Merry did not kill the Witch-King, therefor he can not claim he did such act. Eowyn dealt the final and killing blow to the Witch-King.

1b. It wasn't Merry, it was the Barrow-blade. Let's see what damage Merry would have done to the Witch-King if it was some crappy hobbit sword. And not a sword that was specially wrought with spells to be the 'Bane of Mordor.'

2. Kills the leader of the Ruffians. - this is actually really no great accomplishment. Ruffians, are brigands, scum, dirt, they're nothing impressive. Pippin's slaying of a cave troll is far more impressive than Merry's 2 accomplishments combined. And I don't see Pippin on this Allstar Island.

++Merry

This is Survivor Allstar, and Merry doesn't cut it.

[Kuruharan]

I think that morm has now set a new standard in the field of self-reference.

I don't think that even I have ever quoted myself at such length.

In recognition of his achievement...

++ Merry

EDIT: This does now make two pages in a row where my magnificent post heads the page.

Go me! :D

[wilwarin538]

The Day is now over! Votes for today:

Perry-the-Winkle - 7
Sauron - 1
Merry - 5

(I didn't count your vote Bethberry cause I wasn't sure who you were voting for :p )

Perry-the-Winkle (what is a winkle anyway?) is the one being booted off the island. Since my brain hurts today, I can't come up with anything exciting. ;)

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

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I'm afraid no one was able to do this for me this weekend so day 12 will last til Tuesday. Sorry bout that.

You may now start voting.

[Glirdan]

++Chrysophylax Dives

Simply because his name annoys me. Never mind Dive Chrysophylax, how about Die Chrysophylax!!!

[Firefoot]

Actually, I think that Chrysophylax has a rather cool name, even if it is impossible to spell. So he (?) can be the last Minor Works character to stick around as far as I'm concerned...

++Goldberry

She's a rather boring character. She doesn't really do a whole lot, other than apparently keeping house for Tom. He even has to go get her lillies for her. And Goldberry? Usually the yellow ones aren't ripe. Yick.

And before you start going on about Merry... he definitely accomplishes more than Goldberry.

[mormegil]

The raw hatred of those who would eliminate all minor works characters because they think that I want one of them to win is staggering and quite frankly I'm flattered that I could rally such a band of intelligent people to behave with such depravity and ignorance.

++Merry

again!

[littlemanpoet]

MMmmmmusssst sssaaaaave Chryssssophylllllaaax!

++ Merry

[mormegil]

I'm willing to help out if I would be trusted and allowed to continue to vote and voice my opinions.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I vote for Mormegil as stand in for Wilwa.

[wilwarin538]

I'd love it if you stood in for me Morm! :D

[Gil-Galad]

second bandwagon that worked wow...

++Merry

[mormegil]

I will do it and try my best for times but they may be a bit off.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++MERRY

He's hanging on by a thread. Why prolong the agony?

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Chrysophylax Dives.

If I'm not mistaken, Chrysophylax was a "peaceful" dragon. While this might seem good, that really cancels him out in a sense. From their creation, dragons have always been sinister creatures with destruction on the mind. That's what makes them dragons. However, not being a destructive creature, Chrys is pretty much contradicting what he really is and he is in a form of denial. This will obviously lead to an enormous mental breakdown. It's best to ship him off the island to an asylum before his breakdown happens on the island.

(Also, the rabid anti-Merry party has a member who likes him, and Merry needs some backing up.)

[Diamond18]

+ + Merry

Once Merry is gone would you consider voting Sauron, morm?

[Celuien]

From their creation, dragons have always been sinister creatures with destruction on the mind.
'Tis a scandalous falsehood! Stereotyping of all dragons is unfair. At least one other dragon (http://www.tafkab.org/media/puff/Peter_Paul_&_Mary_-_Puff_The_Magic_Dragon.mp3) was friendly. ;)
++ MERRY

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Chrysophylax Dives

I want that name and as long as it is held by somebody else that won't happen.

[Firefoot]

--Goldberry
++Merry

Since Goldberry doesn't seem to be catching on at all... :rolleyes:

And even though I don't really know anything about Chrysophylax, I've taken a rather random liking to him...

Besides, Merry won LotR survivor; he doesn't need to win again.

[The Elf-warrior]

++Chrysophylax Dives

Merry never ate anyone.

[Glirdan]

Wait, Merry won LotR survivor? in that case...

--Chrysophylax Dives
++Merry

[Diamond18]

++Chrysophylax Dives

Merry never ate anyone.


Which only means Chrysophylax is a much more interesting character!

That's not to say he actually devoured any important characters in his story. I think he may have eaten the king's knights but perhaps he just scared them away, I would have to re-consult Farmer Giles of Ham. Mainly I recall he had a taste for cattle. (If you include the 'Downs REB version of Chrysi, you have to include orc corpses, rabbits, and the odd dwarf into that, but this is a strictly non canon fan reinterpretation of the character).

Either way, he's a complex character. Not so petting-friendly as Puff, but not as stupid and wontonly destructive as your average "Rar I'm gonna destroy everyone in my way" stereotypical two dimensional dragon. He knew how to drive a bargain and survive in the real world, something chaps like Smaug would have done well to emulate. After all, at the end of his tale Chrysophylax Dives is alive and well and it's the big bad nasty predictably evil type of dragon that's lying dead with an arrow in his armpit. Chrysophylax is canny.

Merry also had his ways of surviving and becoming successful without being the most flashy or hardcore, so in a way the two characters are somewhat similar. But between the two, Chrysophylax is a dragon, which automatically ups his coolness factor. I'd rather sacrifice Sauron, all things considered, but there seems too little support for that.

[mormegil]

Diamond I will support a quest to out Sauron, though I gave my alliegence to Eomer's campaign first. Perhaps you could help in that and I would aid you in yours after, which will be quicker if you help in ours.

Also, the rabid anti-Merry party has a member who likes him, and Merry needs some backing up.

I would not consider LMP as part of the 'rabid anti-Merry party' though he is welcome to join our ranks. He likes the character and saw a way to save him.

[The 1,000 Reader]

'Tis a scandalous falsehood! Stereotyping of all dragons is unfair. At least one other dragon (http://www.tafkab.org/media/puff/Peter_Paul_&_Mary_-_Puff_The_Magic_Dragon.mp3) was friendly. ;)

He was "friendly," and today he's seen as a total wimp. Come on, Puff's the pansy who gets shoved in a trash can. It's Barney-ish, and there is no way anything related to Barney should gain victory in Middle-Earth.

As much as you guys hate Merry, "Chrys the Magic Dragon" should go first. At least Merry existed in Middle-Earth!

[Nogrod]

Just a minute, people!

Why are we in such a hurry to get rid of Merry? (Not my favourite Tolkien-character in any sense, but still someone to be considered as a personality)

We have for instance Gloin and Bofur. Basically characters that just fill the need of forming a group. Numbers with silly names, I say.

It's been a while as I last read the Hobbit and so can't right now come up with any positive arguments for their survival. Maybe that is because there are no deeds to remember or their characters are so shallow? I'll have to check it before I vote.

And I do ask you to reconsider this stupid rivalry between a dragon (they are always cool :) ) and a major LotR-character. :D

[Kuruharan]

I see no reason to change which horse I want to drown in the middle of the stream...

++ Merry

[Thinlómien]

We have for instance Gloin and Bofur. Basically characters that just fill the need of forming a group. Numbers with silly names, I say.I agree with you on the Merry-matter, but not with this one, at least wholeheartedly. I don't have much to say about Bofur, but I personally like Gloin. No personality, you say? Read Many Meetings and the Council of Elrond from LotR and you find the down-to-earth gentledwarf I appreciate. (Or then I just like the picture of him in Middle-earth the Wizards card game... :rolleyes: )

[Volo]

Bofur was one of the dwarves that was actually mentioned more often in The Hobbit than most of the others...

But Merry is going to go today... Although some of us like him. I do, even more his name.

[mormegil]

The final vote count

Chrysophylax Dive - 3
Merry - 9

A day of unity had decided, by an overwhelming majority, that the annoying little hobbit called Merry was to go. "He's a cheat" yelled Mormegil. Mormegil replied, "He's a mediocre character at best" which he subsequently followed up by saying "He's useless without his cohort Pippin, at least he looks moderately intelligent with Pip around." All the others said "Mormegil if we vote for him, will you shut up?"

It was decided Merry walked away alone and utterly dejected, but his indominable spirit wouldn't let him stay down long. Only a few years later it was discovered that the history books proclaimed Merry as the winner of Survivor All Stars.

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

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I'm uncertain as to what time I will be able to get on tomorrow but I'll keep you all updated.

Let the voting commence.

[mormegil]

++Tar-Aldarion

Really, he's another useless character. He keeps leaving the island so we don't see much of him and he's incredible uninteresting.

[Bêthberry]

*rushes in glancing at watch and doing best White Rabbit imitation*

I'm late, I'm late, I'm late! I missed the vote. Oh well, good thing it wasn't needed today. ;)

Now, is there another character whose name is so annoying as to warrant a vote off the island? What about one of those Numenoreans? They had their own island too, and look what they did to it. Would you leave our island in their hands?

Annoying name + island wrecker = one of those Tars. Back later once I've decided.

Or do I not want to hear Diamond say it again? Shall we go for the guy who can no longer find a decent form to clothe himself in?

[Kuruharan]

I wasn't going to do this and I don't actually agree with the entirety of the comment but this...

He keeps leaving the island so we don't see much of him

...was such a good chuckle that I can't help myself.

++ Tar-Aldarion

Note: For future reference, my vote can be bought by good yuk-yuks.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Don't make me rant about him again.

++TAR-ALDARION

[Lalaith]

Now here's a bandwaggon I can jump on with a glad shout.

++TAR ALDARION

Every girl's nightmare date. Really.

[Nogrod]

From the survivors of the Second Age Tal-Aldarion surely is the odd one to be outed. With this I agree.

But I would be more than willing to out some of the dwarves from the Hobbit survivor too.

It seems we are really making these bandwaggons now every day. How about some competition?

++ Bofur

Being mentioned many times in the Hobbit is no excuse for being left hang around in the survivor game as those mentionings do not basically build a memorable character.
(I think I have to repeat that Bombur is much more lovable and personal than any of the other "hang-arounds" who are in the story just because there has to be a bunch of dwarwes around Thorin to make it a gang of dwarves)

[Meneltarmacil]

++Tar-Aldarion

Seriously, Random Numenorean King-type Guy really doesn't have much of a reason to hang around here much.

Also, has anybody said they'd like to host the next Survivor yet? If not, I call Barrow-Downs Survivor for the next one and will host it.

[mormegil]

I believe I will end the next day between 4PM and 5PM Eastern Time.

[The Elf-warrior]

++Sauron

[Gil-Galad]

awww... i sort of was fond of Aldarion...

after Aldarion is gone, follow me in my third bandwagon!

++Tar-Aldarion

[Diamond18]

Well, it seems that Tar-Aldarion doesn't really need much more votes, he's pretty solidy in the lead. I'm almost tempted just to vote Sauron as a statement....

But then, I could contribute to two other bandwagons, which means that I should really get you to agree on helping with two characters of my chioce, yes? Sauron today, an unnamed agent later on?

And what about Eomer, is he going to bolt once Tar-Al is gone or stick around to return the favor? Hmmm?

Well, we'll see....

+ + Tar-Aldarion

[Diamond18]

Also, has anybody said they'd like to host the next Survivor yet? If not, I call Barrow-Downs Survivor for the next one and will host it.

Do you mean using Barrow Downers as contestants? Mightn't that get a bit, er, ugly?

[Bêthberry]

Yes, yes, time to go back to his lonely wife.

++ Tar-Aldarion

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Diamond, I have already done my part of a bargain. If you want me to stick around after this guy is booted out then it's gonna cost you. :p

[Thinlómien]

He has my disapproval.

++Tar-Aldarion

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I just read about Aldarion and Erendis in Unfinished Tales (again) and that guy realy angers. I am having such a hard time reading that part, even harder than reading Narn I Hîn Húrin

++Tar-Aldarion

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's the most boring thing Tolkien ever wrote.

[mormegil]

So the end of Day 13 has arrived and the clearest majority has arisen. Apparently nobody really likes Tar-Aldarion or we are all in the mood to agree.

Final Vote Count

Tar-Aldarion - 10
Bofur - 1
Sauron - 1

Tar-Aldarion, got the hint that he was no longer wanted on the island, but to be honest he really didn't mind. He had other adventures and new conquests to undertake. He set sail immediately but before he could even reach the horizon a pirate ship with a nasty rouge onboard began attacking Tar-Aldarion's ship and was swiftly sunk. The remaining contestants saw that the vessel name as it departed: the S.S. Eomer.


The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

Contestants already voted off
Ori
Witch-king
Tom Bombadil
Maglor
Celebrimbor
Manwe
Ar-Pharazon
Princess Pam
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Arwen
Bullroarer
Perry-the-Winkle
Merry
Tar-Aldarion

****************************************

The Day 14 begin!

[Meneltarmacil]

++Bofur

Get these random Dwarves out of here! What did Bofur ever actually contribute to the Quest anyway?

[Diamond18]

Diamond, I have already done my part of a bargain. If you want me to stick around after this guy is booted out then it's gonna cost you. :p

Oh yeeeeah? After you came in and started the Tar-Aldarion campagin well after my Sauron campaign had been underway, forcing me to wait at least another day? You, my dear rogue, are an usurper and a lying, cheating varlot.

And so is

+ + Sauron

[Gil-Galad]

now everyone, follow my third- bandwagon and make history!!!

++Celebrian

more like Cele-Weaklin

i mean come on, gets a little ransakced by orcs so she runs away and leaves her husband and childern in rivendell

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Bofur

His name is very simular to Bobur, Zahiriddin Mohammad Bobur. Too simular!

[Gil-Galad]

you people are despciable...

--Celebrian

++Bofur

[littlemanpoet]

The Dark Lord must not be allowed to survive.

++ Sauron

[mormegil]

Okay, for a Dark Lord he's fairly dimwitted. He poured all his power into a ring, seriously a ring. Those things are so easy to loose. Why not make it something like a bic pen with a flower or something large taped on it like they do at gas (petrol) stations so as to not loose it.

Plus he let two lousy hobbits into his own impregnable country and walk to his front door to destroy his ring.

++Sauron the nitwit

[Kuruharan]

The Dark Lord must not be allowed to survive.

I'm inclined to agree. He is silly and does not-at-all good things.

++ Sauron

[Diamond18]

Why not make it something like a bic pen with a flower or something large taped on it like they do at gas (petrol) stations so as to not loose it.

Lord of the Flower Clad Bic Pens, indeed.

[Firefoot]

++Sauron

It'd be one thing if Sauron were here from LotR. But what's he do in the Sil? Plays second hat to Melkor, gets his butt kicked by Luthien and Huan, and that's about it. And he made some really dumb tactical errors in the War of the Ring. Seriously, it was his war to lose, and he lost it big time. Statistically, he should have won. Powerful cocky idiot.

[Bêthberry]

Really, how many of you think that the world (of choice) is well lost for the ring thing? :rolleyes:

(Okay, don't all of you answer that at once. ;) )

++ Sauron

[Macalaure]

That so many of you apparently think Bofur is more interesting as Sauron is worrying, very worrying...

How come Ori was gone the first day while the other useless dwarf still exists?

++Bofur

[The Elf-warrior]

++Sauron

Tell him to get pick on someone his own size.

[Volo]

Let Bofur stay!

++Sauron

[Lalaith]

Now it is quite fun to keep a bad guy around for a while. But on the other hand, this might be a good time to get rid of Sauron, while there is a good momentum behind his eviction. He might be one of those who will be difficult to shake out later.

++SAURON

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Bofur

Sauron the Obtuse is still too good a villain to evict yet.

[mormegil]

I haven't heard from Wilwa yet but I assume I will do it today. It will be around 4PM Eastern Time.

[Mirkgirl]

what fun if the big bad guy is gone

++bofur, best know as being one of all those little bearded things in the hobbit

[Glirdan]

Joining bandwagoon! :D

++Bofur

[Nogrod]

Joining bandwagoon! :D

As well as I.

++ Bofur

[arcticstorm]

OK now,
On this island we have a dwarf who is Called "the deathless." How conceited is that!!!!

I mean this guy needs a lesson in humility.
therefore
++Durin the not-so-deathless

[mormegil]

Voting

Sauron - 9
Bofur - 8
Durin - 1

A close race but surprisingly not very heated day came to an end with Sauron inching out Bofur. As the votes were tallied the Dark Lord rose from his seat intent on keeping as much dignity as he could muster only to find himself breaking down into tears, not tears of sadness, but rather, of joy as he was presented his going away ring. He thought his ring had been found and now he would take over this puny island all by himself. However, much to his shock and dismay as he slipped on his ring he simply ceased to exist. People just didn't care enough anymore.

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

Contestants already voted off
Ori
Witch-king
Tom Bombadil
Maglor
Celebrimbor
Manwe
Ar-Pharazon
Princess Pam
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Arwen
Bullroarer
Perry-the-Winkle
Merry
Tar-Aldarion
Sauron

****************************************

Day 15 begins and I believe Wilwa will be taking over now.

[Gurthang]

Well, I've been missing out. Let's see what we've got to work with.

*looks at list*

Looks like we've got a few too many dwarves left in the competition. I'm saddened that I come too late to change what happened just a few moments ago. Time to do some 'weeding out' of the... *coughStuntedcough* 'plants'. So away with them dark dwellers.

++Bofur

[Meneltarmacil]

Again, why do we have to keep one of the most useless characters in The Hobbit around for this long? I don't recall Bofur contributing much to the Quest at all except for looking after the ponies with Bombur at one point. Seriously, we need to get rid of him.

++Bofur

[mormegil]

++Gandalf

At least there won't be any more uncloaking jokes coming this way! ;)

[Glirdan]

I still say

++Bofur

This one's not bandwaggon. I seriously want him gone, the useless Dwarf.

[mormegil]

There seems to be a distinct case of dwarf-o-phobia and it sickens and saddens me to see such raw hatred against such a noble race. Bofur useless! Never have I heard such inflated tales of treachery and I've spent time with Saruman too. I guarantee that Bofur did more for that little adventure than any other including Gandalf, Bilbo and Thorin. He should stay and be praised but you all seem bent on diminishing such a noble and valiant character...for shame!

[Firefoot]

++Bofur

I can't remember anything significant about him at all. I can think of something for more than half the dwarves, but not Bofur. Morm, I notice you don't bring up anything specific... :p

[Diamond18]

As some of you may know, our beloved game of Werewolf was originally created as the game of Mafia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_Game)

And we all know that Gandalf is secretly a mob boss. A Mafia Don, if you will. One of his lesser known Elvish nicknames translates into Westron as The Erufather.

And, since I am always an innocent villager, I must do my duty and put an end to the sinister reign of:

+ + James Gandalfini

[mormegil]

Morm, I notice you don't bring up anything specific...

Well I figured that even the most dimwitted individual with an advanced degree in Tolkienology would know this much. Bofur was responsible for uncovering the assassination attempt on Elrond's life while in Rivendell. That's right he single handedly uncovered an underground movement named The Weaving Society, which was a secret band set on the destruction of Elrond as we know it. He delved deep into this society and broke it all up before anything could come of it but without him their diabolical plans would have come to fruition. It's not recorded in The Hobbit for the sake of the children but it is a rather obscure fact that 'true fan's ;) ' all know.

This is one of many examples as to why Bofur is so important and exciting. He really is a super sleuth and has a high level of excitement and sex appeal.

[Bêthberry]

This is one of many examples as to why Bofur is so important and exciting. He really is a super sleuth and has a high level of excitement and sex appeal.


The name is Bofur, James Bofur. ;)

I'm all in favour of doing anything to stop the unseemly display of uncloaked jokes. By this point, they are threadbare.

+ + Gandalf

[Gil-Galad]

++Gandalf Foogray


i just realized i'm somewhat fond of dwarves... though i eat them sometimes...

[The Elf-warrior]

++Smaug

Let's get rid of the people eaters!

[arcticstorm]

I call on you all to hear my pleas!
We have one person here on this island who declared himself winner before the contest even started. What gall he, a mere dwarf, has to call himself,of all things, "deathless." IT is time he leaves us in order to understand that he cannot keep coming back in his kin. This dwarf ruind the good name of all dwarfs because of his arrogance.



++Durin

[littlemanpoet]

Wizards and Dragons and Great Ancestors should not be wiped. Yet.

++ Bofur

[Mirkgirl]

++ Bofur

cause we all know he was after destroying secret society and its valiant plan to save the world from the pesky peredhil

[Kuruharan]

++ Gandalf

It is a standing rule of this game on the Downs that Gandalf not win anything.

[Macalaure]

++Bofur

I mean, this is All Star, isn't it? Bofur made it to the Sweet 16. That's honourable, but it should be as good as it gets for a character like him. Let him go with dignity!

[Lalaith]

As with Sauron, so with Gandalf. Go for the big guns while you can, they can be difficult to dislodge later.

++GANDALF

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Why is that pesky Bofur still in this race. . . Be gone !

++Bofur

[mormegil]

Wilwa has asked me to do it for the last time today and I think I can end it within the next 30 minutes.

[Nogrod]

I'll try to be consistent (and don't like the big guns being easy targets... :p ).

++ Bofur

[mormegil]

Day 15 has now ended and the race was close but in the end it would be Bofur who would be leaving the island.

Bofur - 9
Gandalf - 6
Smaug - 1
Durin - 1

"Bofur", the producers told him, "we know you've done a lot of sleuthing in your days and your rugged good looks contribute to the overall sex appeal of our show but most of us just simply find you useless." "And besides," another producer chimed in, "we have far too many dwarves as it is". In his normal stoic stride Bofur left the island with a sense of his splendor and grandeur lingering far after he had disappeared in the darkness.

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

Contestants already voted off
Ori
Witch-king
Tom Bombadil
Maglor
Celebrimbor
Manwe
Ar-Pharazon
Princess Pam
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Arwen
Bullroarer
Perry-the-Winkle
Merry
Tar-Aldarion
Sauron
Bofur

****************************************

[Gil-Galad]

might as well end the 'uncloakin terror'

++Gandalf

[Glirdan]

I was going to vote him first!! Oh well. He does need to go. His uncloaking is starting to rub off on the other contestants. :eek:

++Gandalf

[Gil-Galad]

I was going to vote him first!! Oh well. He does need to go. His uncloaking is starting to rub off on the other contestants. :eek:

++Gandalf

i know, who wants to see Gimli uncloaked? or Osse uncloaked? or Goldberry... nevermind

but yes Gandalf needs to go!



:rolleyes:

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

yup, Gandalf.... :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

++Gandalf

Let's cut him off before his senility takes over even more than it has. His mutterings and forgetfulness are getting tiresome.

[Macalaure]

I've been wondering... we all know that Celebrían received a poisoned wound by the orcs which made her leave for Valinor. But what poisons are orcs able to brew that exceed Elrond's skills in healing? I don't think this is very believable. Celebrían was a Xanthippe and a domestic tyrant and at last Elrond was happy to have found a pretence to be delivered from her.

Do we want such a person to win? I do not.

++Celebrían


Whether or not we want to see somebody uncloaked is not a good measure, in my opinion :p

[Nogrod]

Whether or not we want to see somebody uncloaked is not a good measure, in my opinion :pOr whether it's Gandalf, or the professor's character that wishes to uncloak in the first place. Could it be more likely that some of the happy BD'ers themselves should be voted out because of filling places with the uncloaking-jokes? :D

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

++Gandalf

sorry for my ignorance..... *blushes*

cuz he's a wizard!!! And wizards are baaaaad.....cuz they do magic.....which is baaaaad.....sooooo i believe he should be voted off.

[Firefoot]

Am I the only one to think that once a character has won once, s/he shouldn't be doing so again? If that's the case, Tar-Miriel, Smaug, and Chrysophylax are due to go...

Even though it doesn't seem like anyone but Gandalf is likely to go today...

++Osse

He's a bit of a vindictive brat, if you know what I mean. You'd think he'd be happy to work with Ulmo... but no...

[littlemanpoet]

Still to early for wizards, dragons, and ancient ancestors. Minor deities are however a dime a dozen.

++ Osse

I certainly do NOT, however, adhere to the theory that if someone has won before s/he should not win again. If they're good, they're good! :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Osse

I am sure that it was his idea to make the sea salty. . .

[Meneltarmacil]

++Osse

Gandalf can't be voted off the island! Save the wizard!

[Nogrod]

Just to make a few points about Ossë:

1) As stated in Valaquenta: "He does not go in the deeps" - so he's superficial?
2) He may be loved by the mariners or those at the mercy of the sea eg. the Numenorians (forcefully, by one's own interests to mainly save oneself from his unpredictability?), but is not trusted because of his random rage.
3) He was lured by Melkor and caused much harm but then became soothed by his wife's bidding.

So Ossë is someone with nasty or selfish predilections but no strength to hold a mind of his own, an opportunistic Maia just trying to please others around him and maximise his comfort and the lack of risks while striving to personal power and worship.

A more powerful Wormtongue, I say! And anyhow, a weak personality not worthy of winning this competition...

++ Ossë

[mormegil]

There is another dangerous voting block forming, what is wrong with Osse? He's unpredictable? Great! Better to entertain. What does Gandalf do? He's drab, and mutters to himself idly all day long, his beard is overly long, and absolutely no sex appeal. However Osse is perfect because all the guys want to be him and the girls think that they can change him.

[Kuruharan]

However Osse is perfect because all the guys want to be him and the girls think that they can change him.

I think I can hear seething rage forming this very moment.

Best do everything I can to stoke it and make it last longer...

++ Gandalf

[Glirdan]

I have to agree with morm on this. Having Osse around could provide major entertainment. He's fiesty, he once had an evil side and so many other qualities. I say keep the fiesty around and get rid of the uncloaker.

[Diamond18]

Well, I thought my argument yesterday was pretty good:

+ + Gandalf

[Macalaure]

Nobody following me with Celebrian?

Again?

Well, alright, let her win if you like...

-- Celebrian


Once again the day seems to go the route of a head-to-head bandwaggon race. So be it, Gandalf or Osse then.
I share the opinion of morm, which scares me a little. What entertainmental value (uncloaking jokes don't count in this department) does Gandalf have? An occasional fool-of-a-took just isn't enough.

++Gandalf


(Psst: Don't forget, in a bad mood, Osse might sink the whole island if he can't have it!)

[Nogrod]

(Psst: Don't forget, in a bad mood, Osse might sink the whole island if he can't have it!)All the more reasons to get rid of the guy...

[littlemanpoet]

Ah the perversity of it. Sheer backlash! That's all it is. Get rid of Gandalf?!? :( Such a benighted thing to do. Positively Sarumanish. For shame. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Some reality shows introduce new characters in the middle of the show. Would there be a chance of bringing in the Chief Warg?

[mormegil]

Eomer, I have two questions on that.

Is he the Squiggy (http://www.houseplantpicturestudio.com/HPS/lensquigitems/003.jpg) of Middle-earth?

Are our rating that low to bring a new person on to spice things up?

I vote to bring on the Chief Warg.

[Bêthberry]

Minor deities are however a dime a dozen.



How true. Let's get him off this island before he offs this island in a tsunami of religious extremism.

+ + OSSE

[Volo]

How could anyone wan't to get rid of Gandalf? He's one of the greatest characters in Tolkien's works. Just the whole idea of a wizard is so magnificent... It's not his fault that somebody made a bad joke about him anyway... (...I'm again siding with other people, not like me...) So, to protect Gandalf for atleast this one day. I wote Osse down!

++Osse

[mormegil]

Gandalf was a bigger failure than Frodo! What did he do that actually worked that he can claim was his work? He didn't defeat a balrog...the balrog defeated himself. He really didn't do much at Helm's Deep except to come and get the stragglers. The Hurons really did the work their. He failed with Boromir and let him loose himself. He, instead of lending his aid, let four unaware hobbits take on ruffians and an ex-wizard who still had some power, why risk it? Just be done with it. He failed Frodo in that he wasn't there to aid him and were it not for Samwise, who sadly isn't in the mix, the entire quest would have failed. The only thing that Gandalf did that wasn't a failure was his fireworks.

[Bêthberry]

The only thing that Gandalf did that wasn't a failure was his fireworks.


Ooohhh! Fireworks! Every bored survivor on a mundane island needs fireworks to keep up the spirits. Best reason for keeping the Grey One around. :p :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Maybe we could bring on the Chief Warg and Squiggy. That's, like, ratings bonanza! :D

(Incidentally, Morm, hilarious episode that.)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Osse

Not that important, since Ulmo can just have Uinen
take over his tasks and send Osse to a nice long
holiday on the strand past the Houses of Waiting
(although the water said to be about as chilly as
the Blackpool area).

[shieldmaiden4xsword]

Gandalf took forever to guess the password to Moria and it almost cost them their life. VOTE HIM OFF NOW!!!!! and it was right in front of him too!!!! Sheesh!

[Firefoot]

Besides, isn't there usually some sort of rescue challenge on Survivor? I'd say Gandalf's fireworks would be dead useful for that. :p

[mormegil]

Ooohhh! Fireworks! Every bored survivor on a mundane island needs fireworks to keep up the spirits. Best reason for keeping the Grey One around. :p :D

Yes but over two straight weeks of the stuff it becomes rather drab and dull. This one trick pony should be taken for zoo meat and to the glue factory.

[wilwarin538]

Day 16 has now ended, and the votes are very close:

Gandalf - 7
Osse - 8

Osse received the most votes. After a little arguing with those who voted him off he gave in and left the island himself before the Muddy Boot of Doom came and to boot him off in a more painful manner.

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

Contestants already voted off
Ori
Witch-king
Tom Bombadil
Maglor
Celebrimbor
Manwe
Ar-Pharazon
Princess Pam
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Arwen
Bullroarer
Perry-the-Winkle
Merry
Tar-Aldarion
Sauron
Bofur
Osse

****************************************

You may now start voting.

I am back from my trip, but I'm sick :rolleyes: so I just woke up from a nap, that's why this is late.

[Gil-Galad]

Yes but over two straight weeks of the stuff it becomes rather drab and dull. This one trick pony should be taken for zoo meat and to the glue factory.

oh... snap?


how long did that take you to come up with Morm?

[mormegil]

++Gandalf

He has far too many names for the credits to fit.

[Gil-Galad]

++Gandalf

[Firefoot]

++Ingwe

There was an early push to get rid of him, and nothing came of it. He's really not a very interesting sort at all; gets to Valinor and sits at the feet of Manwe blah blah blah. No one likes a goody two shoes.

[Lalaith]

Gah, I think I forgot to vote yesterday. Not too bothered about Osse getting voted off, mind you, pain in the backside for his wife and frankly for everyone except the dreary keening Teleri.
Still, must keep up the Gandalf push.
++GANDALF

Happy to resume normal service on the Ingwe front once old greybeard's gone, Firefoot.

Hope you're feeling better, wilwa.

[The Elf-warrior]

++Smaug the Magic Dragon

Do we really need 2 firebreathers on one island?

[mormegil]

There was an early push to get rid of him, and nothing came of it. He's really not a very interesting sort at all; gets to Valinor and sits at the feet of Manwe blah blah blah. No one likes a goody two shoes.

Yet you didn't like Osse and want Gandalf :p. Hyporcrite! :D ;)

[Diamond18]

+ + Gandalf

Because I'm a dog with a bone and I shall continue to gnaw. Come on, who really wants Mr. Gandalfini to whack all the other contestants? That's what he's trying to do, mark my words!

[Firefoot]

Just because Osse's not a goody-two-shoes doesn't mean he's not obnoxious.

And I don't think I ever said that I wanted Gandalf to survive (I don't want him to win, anyway) - I just like resisting your bandwagons. :p

[Kuruharan]

++ Gandalf

It always seems to take two votes for me to boot a person, but I always get them in the end.

[The Only Real Estel]

++ Gandalf

It always seems to take two votes for me to boot a person, but I always get them in the end.

++ Smaug

Elf-Warrior has a point - we don't need two dragons.

And besides that, though I've had peaceful Survivor dealings with Kuru in the past he's just too much fun to annoy! :D

[Diamond18]

We don't need two dragons like we don't need chocolate or good music or many other things that are not strictly necessary but do make life better. :p

[The Only Real Estel]

We don't need two dragons like we don't need chocolate or good music or many other things that are not strictly necessary but do make life better. :p

True, but chocolate & music don't get in jealous fights that lay waste to the entire island. :eek:

[mormegil]

True, but chocolate & music don't get in jealous fights that lay waste to the entire island. :eek:

Think of the ratings my friend!

[Volo]

Seems that the saving Gandalf mission won't work today, but a try is better than none... And I'll simply keep the lane of not agreeing with morm.

++Gmaug, a greedy creature that gets killed in a useless journey of revenge, just because a hobbit stole his golden cup...

[Macalaure]

++Smaug

Not only is two dragons one too much, but a sorry excuse of a dragon like Smaug is absolutely superfluous. Dragons, especially flying dragons are a terrible misconception anyway. The bodies of these creatures are fortresses, with the only vulnerable spot being - their belly?? I mean, even if you don't know of it, being unable to kill a flying dragon with a lot of arrows is almost impossible, statistically.
Back to the drawing board, Master Morgoth.

[wilwarin538]

I have decided to vote for:

++ Gandalf the Grey/White aka Mithrandir aka White Rider aka Grey Wanderer aka Grey Fool aka Stormcrow aka Greyhame aka Grey Pilgrim

You're right, he has way to many names. ;)

Votes so far:

Gandalf - 6
Ingwe - 1
Smaug - 4

[Nogrod]

I would like to have had both of our prime contestans on board but it seems
pretty late now.

= Macalaure
Not only is two dragons one too muchAnd I would say that three dwarwes is a way too much (dwarves: no offence, just too many of you on the game... :p )

So where is the balance?

(and if one must get rid of one dragon, why on earth get rid of Smaug with its personality?)

=Firefoot about Ingwë
He's really not a very interesting sort at all; gets to Valinor and sits at the feet of Manwe blah blah blah.So as my last desperate attempt, relying at first to Firefoot's accurate description just to get my vote in:

++ Ingwë

[Nogrod]

Alright.

Case Ingwë (additions to Firefoot's case).

1) A puppet of a storyline, no real character but just someone to fill in for a name of something that had to be told = no persona in his own right. (compare to Smaug or Gandalf!!!)
2) Someone totally taken away by some wonders and chep tricks with light and pompous architecture and shining corners.
3) Making decisions concerning his race on the basis of a desire.
4) Uncharismatic leader as he managed to gather the smallest amount of followers (compared to Finwë and Elwë).

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Ingwe

What's an Ingwe, precious? We says it canst hold
up under torture like poor Smeagol (gollum, gollum). :(
Yess. It just stays nice and safe and lets other nassty
elvses with bright swords do its dirty work. We hates
it, we hates it forever!

[littlemanpoet]

I'm nothing if not consistent. Not voting off wizards or dragons.

++ Ingwe

Boring dude, sitting at the foot of the gods all his life long.

[Nogrod]

Gandalf - 6
Smaug & Ingwë - 4

We have time still...

[Meneltarmacil]

++Ingwë

We need to keep Gandalf around, and it's not like Ingwë really has much to do besides just sit there.

[The Only Real Estel]

-- Smaug

++Ingwe

Though I still think two dragons is too many I'm not so fool that I cannot see by Firefoot's & Nogrod's cases that Ingwe deserves to go before Smaug. And if it still accomplishes my task for the day of 'saving' Gandalf (though I don't want him to win, of course) than that's a plus.

[Volo]

--Smaug

++Ingwe

Seems, that I move with the facion... :( But this does save Gandalf.

[Macalaure]

--Smaug

++Gandalf

Let's have a double eviction! :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Ingwe

I like Gandalf better

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nay, Mormegil! My task is done!

[wilwarin538]

Day 17 is now over! The votes are as follows:

Gandalf - 6
Ingwe - 8
Smaug - 1

Ingwe is the one who received the most votes today. Ingwe walked away solemly, very disappointed in himself, as all who voted cheered and hollored for joy that he had not been victorious in winning Survivor All Star.

The remaing contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

Contestants already voted off
Ori
Witch-king
Tom Bombadil
Maglor
Celebrimbor
Manwe
Ar-Pharazon
Princess Pam
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Arwen
Bullroarer
Perry-the-Winkle
Merry
Tar-Aldarion
Sauron
Bofur
Osse
Ingwe

****************************************
You may now start voting!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Chrysophylax Dives
Gloin
Gimli


? ? ?

Anybody intrested in voting any of these off ?

[mormegil]

++Gandalf

Out of sheer principle.

[Volo]

++Smaug

same reason as morm...

[Firefoot]

++Goldberry

Another character that I don't understand how she has made it so far. Really, what does she bring to the table? She seems to be there purely as a complement to Tom - certainly she's no better than him, even if slightly less annoying. But if Tom doesn't deserve to stick around, why should she? She's hardly distinctive in herself; even her epithet "River-daughter" is in reference to someone else. Daughter, wife... she can't even live independently, as Tom has to bring her lillies. If she can't support herself, she sure isn't helping anyone else on the island...

[Nogrod]

Three hurrahs for the wise players who turned the insane tide at the last hours!

Hurrah!
Hurrah!
Hurrah!

:)

[Kuruharan]

++ Gandalf

Okay, so it will take more than two votes I'll still get him in the end because evidently nobody wants him to win.

[Nogrod]

++ GandalfPersonal Vendettas? What's wrong with you guys? ;)

Do we want to have a real climax ending or just do away with interesting personas in passing to leave a random charismatic person in the end to stand up with a nobody? Quite an anti-climax I say...

Or is there a secret agenda which calls us to note certain characters and leave the others alone. A small conspiracy perhaps? :rolleyes:

Maybe we should unravel this plot by voting out all those characters that have not yet received a single vote or who have been most arduosly been defended by "the gang"? Surely there are more people here than possible plotters.

Hah.

:D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Chrysophylax Dives

I still dig that name.

[Nogrod]

++Chrysophylax Dives

Happily joining the crusade here, at least before any better candidates are brought forwards... :)

"The best minor character is a dead minor character"

[Diamond18]

By Nogrod:

Personal Vendettas? What's wrong with you guys? ;)

"The best minor character is a dead minor character"


Who's got the personal vendetta, eh?

Shameful. What would the professor say about this blatant xenophobia? Anyone whose name hasn't been broadcast in lights (like Gandalf) is automatically slaughtered like a pig, in Nogrod's ideal world!

Stop the madness. End the slaughter. Get rid of hamfisted mob bosses like Nogrod and Gandalf!

+ + Gandalf

[Meneltarmacil]

++Chrysophylax Dives

Two dragons and only one island? That's just asking for trouble.

[The Saucepan Man]

+ + GANDALF

What on Arda is he doing here? He should be out guiding the hand of the Free Peoples in the fight against Evil. Not lounging around on a desert island reality show trying to boost his media image.

Tsk!

And he doesn't pull his weight in the tasks.

And he's a goody-two-shoes.

[Kuruharan]

Seems I was mistaken. Evidently, Nogrod wants Gandalf to win.

[Kath]

++ GANDALF

I know I'm not a regular player, and have little reasoning for this old coot to be kicked off, other than he's a bit of an attention seeker and really could be a bit more help. Leaving the Dwarves when they need him most and sitting back and observing, leaping after a Balrog, that kind of thing.

However, my dear friend Skittles asked for this favour, and who am I to say no?

[Bêthberry]

Hama is still around? Hama? Is he basking in some of the glow which belongs to the Huorns? C'mon, it doesn't get any blander than this.

+ + Hama

[Gil-Galad]

++gandalf

two dragons are way more fun then a old smelly wizard

[Macalaure]

++Chrysophylax Dives

Two bandwaggons are way more fun than one bandwaggon.

Plus, we don't need two dragons.
Plus, we don't need minor works characters.
Plus, hey, we'll get Gandalf before the end anyway...

[Firefoot]

--Goldberry

Since once again, it's not working.

++Chrysophylax

Nothing really against him; it's just fun to see how long Gandalf will stick around...

[mormegil]

Firefoot,

I am convinced that you want Gandalf to win this thing. Am I correct? If so why Gandalf? He's kind of a prat!

[Lalaith]

++GANDALF

For reasons previously stated.

[Volo]

Voting the wrong dragon out? Gandalf should thank me for this...

--Smaug

++Chrysophylax Dives

Who do we vote out tomorrow? Exept Gandalf of course. Goldberry?

[Diamond18]

Who do we vote out tomorrow? Exept Gandalf of course. Goldberry?

Hmmm, I see how it is now. Forming voting blocks and plotting out who should go and who should stay. Who should go obviously being minor works characters! And who are these people taking orders from? The tyrannical, Took-insulting madwizard and mafia don, Gandalf (who is orchestrating matters in the form of Nogrod, methinks :p). Surely those who don't actually want Gandalf to win must realize the dangerous bandwagon force that has arisen around him, and any vote that helps them only ensures the slippery slope towards Gandalf winning. The snowball effect, mark my words.

If you actually want Gandalf to win, go ahead and vote against the far more interesting dragon(s). By all means. But if you don't actually want old lathspell to win, now's the time to act upon it. It's a hard task to stand up to the big, popular, predictable and oh-so-boring names, but that's what makes it worthwhile!

[Volo]

Yes, I'm just a pawn. It is interesting to see how long Gandalf survives. And I do think that Gandalf is a much better character than most. I'd rather see Gandalf survive than Goldberry for example...

[The Only Real Estel]

++ Gandalf

Chrys out before Smaug? I never thought I'd see the day...

Suddenly Kuru & Morm's side looks more bearable... ;)

[Estelyn Telcontar]

++ Gandalf

Just because I'm a fan of the minor works and want to see some of those characters surviving...

Besides, Gandalf's confusing - are we talking about ...the White or ...the Grey here?

[Glirdan]

++Gandalf

Get rid of the nudist already!!

[Tuor in Gondolin]

++Chrysophylax Dives

And how would Eustace the Dragon (Narnia) have
fared in a face down with C. D.? Obviously Smaug
would slap either one around.

[Bêthberry]

And how would Eustace the Dragon (Narnia) have
fared in a face down with C. D.? Obviously Smaug
would slap either one around.


What? Is this WWF Smackdown? I thought it was Survivor, a witty game of clever positioning and argumentative fun.

Shall I have to entirely rethink all my strategies henceforth? Does Bethberry have to become Da Big Double B? Will Diamond have to become Di-Hard? Will we see Big Mac? Morm the Marauder? Will we need a PanHandler?

I don't think so . . .

:D

[wilwarin538]

Day 18 is now over!

Gandalf - 10
Chrysophylax Dives - 7

Gandalf the Wizard is the character voted off today.

Gandalf stood, and with one last uncloaking, to the discust (not the surprise) of all those present, he walked away proudly, with black squares covering certain places, since this is a family friendly site. ;)

Thus ends this day!

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

You may now start voting! :D

[Meneltarmacil]

Poor Gandalf, why did you have to be voted off?

Let me see here. We have two humans, one Vala, one Eagle, one Elf, two Dragons, one of whatever Goldberry is, and, oh dear, no less than THREE Dwarves. At least one of those Dwarves has got to go, so...

++Gloin

[mormegil]

Gimli has committed and offense so agregious that it really should be punished by death, the least we can do is evict him. What did he do you ask? Why he befriended and Elf and there is no greater crime in all of dwarven society than that.

++Gimli

[The Only Real Estel]

Gimli has committed and offense so agregious that it really should be punished by death, the least we can do is evict him. What did he do you ask? Why he befriended and Elf and there is no greater crime in all of dwarven society than that.

++Gimli

In Dwarvin society yes. Therefore, I encourage all dwarves to take up your cause. :p

As it is, it looks like your trying to punish Gimli for trying to redress years of strife between the two races, a noble enough effort. Or in other words: You're promoting racism, morm. O_O

Now of course Gimli isn't perfect & there are probably many reasons why he should be voted off but surely not this one! :eek:

Therefore, since I'm with Menel more or less in his reasoning of evening up the scores:

++ Gloin

Being the son of Groin (inventor of the mithril cup) is a tough act to follow, but he's less deserving of a spot on the island than Gimli is.

[Glirdan]

++Gloin

He's boring, has no character really (except for starting fires, which, may I add, he and his brother failed miserably at!) and is far worse than Gimli.

[The Saucepan Man]

+ + TAR-MIRIEL

Who is she?

Who is she?

What is she doing here?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

She is nice! That is all you need to know, Saucepan.

but Gloin is not . . .

++Gloin

[mormegil]

--Gimli

++Tar-Miriel

I will follow SpM today

[Kuruharan]

She is nice!

Not really. And even if she is, she is completely useless. If she'd had any spunk she'd have murdered her husband. As it is, she is a threat to the harmony of the thread because she's so open to subversion.

Best be rid of her.

++ Tar-Miriel

[The Only Real Estel]

Ah the Secret-Undercover*-Something-or-Other-Alliance-of-Doom-or-Destruction.

Something tells me if I want to 'win' I should be joining (or requesting to join) them... :p


*unless I missed some sort of declaration...which I probably did. :/

[mormegil]

TORE I have never been loyal solely to one alliance. I am a rogue survivor who sees benefits and I take them. It so happens that the three of us see eye to eye quite often. However this current voting block is rather large against anything I do so I need those who don't hold prejudice against me.

[Gil-Galad]

++Tar-Miriel


i've been in a dwarf-favourable mood... maybe...

[The Only Real Estel]

TORE I have never been loyal solely to one alliance. I am a rouge survivor who sees benefits and I take them.

I like it. :D

[Macalaure]

This is All Star, not All Dwarf.

Let us get rid of Gloin then, though I would have liked to go for Gimli a little more.

++Gloin

[Firefoot]

++Goldberry

Let's try this again...?

[Nogrod]

Three dwarves at this stage of the game I would call a slight overepresentation... :)

So:

++ Gloin

As he seems to be the one we may have chances to evict from the island today.

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Gloin - 6
Tar-Miriel - 4
Goldberry - 1

[Nogrod]

Hmm...SpM....morm...Kuru...
Ah the Secret-Undercover*-Something-or-Other-Alliance-of-Doom-or-Destruction.

Something tells me if I want to 'win' I should be joining (or requesting to join) them...Your something is telling you the lies the alliance wishes you to hear. Stand brave! They are influential elders like the house of Fëanor was!

Let us keep the torch of the free peoples (and others) of the Middle-Earth alight! We may have differences in taste and opinion, but let us not give these over-selfconfident forces a possibility to dominate the scene as they would like to!

They are the Wormtongues whispering to our royal ears of democracy and free will! Let us not sleep!

They are the Shelobs knitting their webs in the dark behind our back! Let's stay alert!

They are the Saurons and Melkors thriving for glory and power, the ones who are ready to use anyone as their puppets and turn them down as they have been used! Do not be tricked by their sometimes honeyed words!

These Sarumans will lure you into anything if you give them your ear! Beware of their rhetorics!

United we are strong enough to fend off the onslaught of the evil conspiracies! Let's unravel their fancies and in the end of the game leave it to the honest majority to decide.

:D :D :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

Nogrod proposes to defend a so called alliance, but no alliance is formed so far as I know, however he wants it done by forming an alliance :rolleyes: . Again I am a rogue and have this freedom you speak of. You are the wormtongue if I have ever seen one. These noble individuals see the justice of their cause much as Gondor and Rohan would yet you give false wisperings and want to form an alliance because and alliance is evil.

Beware of their rhetorics!

Of course your rhetoric applies too does it not? :p

Seriously though what has Tar-Miriel ever done or accomplished? Gloin at least is a dwarf of honor and high character. Gloin would dare to stand against evil however Tar-Miriel allowed Ar-Pharazon to take up the sceptre and rule in evil. See the difference. Gloin defends against evil and Tar-Miriel embraces evil. She would have us believe that she was forced into this situation, those who are learned in the lore know differently, she was a malignant influence and secretly sought out evil in all its forms.

[Nogrod]

Nogrod proposes to defend a so called alliance, but no alliance is formed so far as I know, however he wants it done by forming an alliance.Touché! You're absolutely right.
But it's an open alliance to fend off any secret ones...

Again I am a rogue and have this freedom you speak of.As the Finninsh proverb says: "The dog that is hit by the stick will howl" So the one feeling guilty will start explaining himself off from the hook... :D

Of course your rhetoric applies too does it not? :p Surely. As everyones. One can't claim for immunity in these things because we all have to use our language if we try to hold the flag for our cause. So we all will have to do it as good as we can. But people hide / have different goals behind their rhetorics.

Some are just having aspirations for a democratic and open vote to let the freedom and equality of the people in solidarity to prevail to produce the happiness of all.

Some have dark and cloudy schemes going on, trying to twist the good and the benevolent to help accomplish their nasty lust for power and the enforcement of their brutal iron rule of whims to oppress all differing points of view... :D

[Firefoot]

--Goldberry
++Tar-Miriel

Gloin was always one of the dwarves I liked... and textually, Tar-Miriel did a whole lot less than he did.

[Diamond18]

Eh, Nogrod is just a bit upset that Gandalf is gone and a couple minor works characters are still around. :p

That said, now that Gandalf is gone (hurrah!) and I need a new person to vote for, I think I'll help out Firefoot's long suffering campaign against

+ + Goldberry

If we're getting on women for being subjugated by their husbands, I think we'd do better to look elsewhere than Tar Miriel. At least she had the decency to be miserable. Goldberry was kidnapped and turned into a domestic slave and enjoyed it.

EDIT... Er, Firefoot, this is rather awkward. :p Well, I still stand on principle and think G is a worse offened than T-M in the wimpy wife department. ;)

[littlemanpoet]

++ Celebrian

How about a three way tie and just get all the wimpy women off at once?

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Tar-Mirel.

Like I said in Second Age Survivor, Tar-Mirel is completely useless and accomplished nothing at all. If you removed her from the story, you'd have no real changes. The only reason the Prof. even made her was just to fill up space to give a final push to the ignorant that Ar-Pharazon was evil. Like any good author, Tolkien decided to mention the death of a named character, and nothing more. Seriously, at least Goldberry had powers. Hama was a faithful brave warrior.

[Diamond18]

++ Celebrian

How about a three way tie and just get all the wimpy women off at once?

Well, with the voting as it is right now:

Gloin - 6
T-M - 6
Goldberry - 1
Celebrian - 1

This seems unlikely.

Eh, so, in order to actually matter today it seems one must vote for either Gloin or Tar-Miriel.

- - Goldberry

+ + Tar-Miriel

The more dwarves the merrier.

Plus if Gloin had been married to Ar-Pharazon I'm sure Numenor would never have sunk.

[Bêthberry]

Just for fun, let's make it a two-for-one.

+ + Gloin

Although really I don't understand why you people want Hama around.

[Thinlómien]

Although really I don't understand why you people want Hama around. Because he's sympathic. :)

++Tar-Miriel

Gloin is, after all, one of my favourite dwarves.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

As I see it, there are still a couple of Dwarves around, more than some other races. Therefore, in the interest of equal rights

++Gloin

[wilwarin538]

Vptes so far:

Gloin - 8
Tar-Miriel - 8
Celebrian - 1

[Thinlómien]

Is there anyone else than me who sees no point in Durin still hanging around here? He's boring, and the thing he's most famous for is not any deed, or wise words, but the fact that he happened to be the first one Aulë created...

[Boromir88]

Although really I don't understand why you people want Hama around.
Hama by far the best doorwarden in the Lord of the Rings. As a servant to a King you expect Hama to be a mindless robot, but he's not, he's able to sympathize and he has his own creative mind. He's not the simpleton servant, the one with no brain that simply does his master's will. He is able to think on his own:

'The staff in the hand of a wizard may be more than a prop for age,' said Hama. He looked hard at the ash-staff on which Gandalf leaned. 'Yet in doubt a man of worth will trust to his own wisdom. I believe you are friends and folk worthy of honor, who have no evil purpose. You may go in.'

Hama trusted Gandalf and it's a good thing he did, or Middle-earth would have been completely lost. As there would have been no healing of Theoden, which means Eomer doesn't come out of jail, which means Rohan is obliterated, which means no 'Ride of the Rohirrim' and Gondor is demolished. Hama saved Middle-earth, because he wasn't a mindless robot servant! Talk about an All-star!

Beregond is the same way, but he's only a copy cat, as Hama is the first guard that can actually think for himself.

I mean plus he's got to put up with a cranky old man all the time, that just rips on him even when he does something good:

'Call Hama to me. Since he proved untrusty as a doorward, let him become an errand-runner. The guilty shall bring the guilty to judgement.'

What kind of junk is this? Hama just indirectly saved his life and now he's guilty? Crabby old man, but Hama is a man of honor and is humble.

And finally, who else of all the people have we seen to have the guts to stand up against Aragorn?

'This is the House of Theoden, not of Aragorn, even were he King of Gondor in the seat of Denethor,' said Hama.

Hama puts Aragorn in his rightful place. Who would want to vote off this guy?

++Tar-Miriel, simply because Gloin doesn't deserve to go yet. What's wrong with having all these dwarves? Talk about all-stars, anyone check out Kuru's threads on dwarves?

[Boromir88]

Thinlo, I can go with Durin's eviction next.

[Lalaith]

++TAR-MIRIEL

I had a word with her, she doesn't mind: she's already won a Survivor and she's got stuff to do back on the mainland.

[Thinlómien]

Thinlo, I can go with Durin's eviction next.Thanks. I agree with the ones who say that we have too much dwarves, but Durin is the unbearable one of them! I say, he's the one to go tomorrow.

[Nogrod]

We're having a Dwarf-survivor here now aren't we? :D

[The 1,000 Reader]

We don't want to look racist.

[Thinlómien]

We don't want to look racist.
Wouldn't the correct term be specieist here? ;)

[The 1,000 Reader]

They're a race of people.

[wilwarin538]

Day 19 is now over!

Votes for today:

Gloin - 8
Tar-Miriel - 10
Celebrian - 1

Tar-Miriel will leave the island today! As she walks away, she decides to go in a different direction then the other cast-offed-people went. She ends up walking through a large forest, when suddenly, completely spontaneously and unexpected, a bus, carrying a large amount of small children, hits her.

Thus ends Day 19!

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Gimli
Hama

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Elbereth

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
Gloin
Durin

From the Second Age Survivor
Celebrian
Thorondor

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry

***************************************

Sorry for my lateness. :)

You may now start voting!

[Meneltarmacil]

++Gloin

Seriously, there are too many Dwarves.

[Gil-Galad]

End the Silmarillion's agony

++Elbereth

[Nogrod]

I feel like throwing my gloves off...

10 candidates left.

3 dwarves
2 minor characters

...and most of the intersting ones sent off.

I think the best protest we may give is to halt our participation... Let the few make their anti-climax wiht voting 5-1 the last votes (compare to the 25 - 15 - 10 - 5 votes earlier)

:(

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yeah it looks like it is going to be silly (not in a good way) final. . .

But I hope to be proved wrong.