Survivor : All Star

[wilwarin538]

Welcome one and all to the latest edition of Middle-Earth Survivor: All Star Survivor!

This edition of Survivor will consist of 5 tribes. Each tribe will have 6 members. So 30 characters in total.

The Tolkien characters in this game are the last 3 voted out and the first 3 voted out of all the past Survivor games.

Each round will be 24 hours long, starting and ending at 2pm EST time, look at the time on this post to see what time that is for you (minus about 10 minutes). I do work, so I might have to end a round a little late or a little early, you will be warned the day before if I have to do this. Someone might also have to fill in for me in a couple of weeks for 3 days. (Glirdy most likely)

The Rules

Everyone can vote, but for only one person at a time! Like this:

++Wilwarin

Please bold your votes, and put them on a seperate line, I will still count them if you don't, but this makes it easier for me to spot.

If you wish to change your vote, do this:

--Wilwarin
++Glirdan

I will allow more then 1 character to be cast off at a time, but my limit is 3 at a time. If there is a tie for more then three, I will cast of the first 3 who reached that number.

Please post a reason for why you want that character cast off. It can be funny or serious, but it's not as fun when you just vote for a random character, try and be creative! ;)

These are the contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
The Witch-King
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Maglor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Manwe
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Ori
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrimbor
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion
Ar-Pharazon

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam
Tom Bombadil

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You may now start voting! I will tally the votes tomorrow (tuesday) at 2pmEST.

Have fun! :D

[mormegil]

++Maglor

Let the elf slaughter begin. Now Maglor's music grows wearisome already. His lyrics are as tired as my arguements too ;)

[Kuruharan]

++ The Witch-king

I mean, honestly, the character was nothing more than a glorified puppet.

Away with him, I say!

[Boromir88]

++Celebrimbor

His fancy Elvish rings were pretty much useless. I mean who wants Rings that only protect and preserve? Everyone wants domination and control, that's why they couldn't ever use the Ring's if Sauron was around. I mean does anyone know what Vilya supposedly the 'Mightiest of the three' ever accomplish?

[Diamond18]

+ + Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

Because, I never did get to vote for him, being the mod for MWS, after all. :D

[Glirdan]

I think I'll join morm on the Elf slaugher...for now. Besides, why do we want a winner who was won to win again??

++Maglor

[Nogrod]

++ Tom Bombadil

C'mon...

That guy was just a trouble and had no raison d'être to be. His being just confuses and does not settle anything and gives the story no new direction.

Yes we can play with the early ones, but as Tom has no part in the unfolding of the events, then he's just dead weight? Yes, there was lots before the story goes on and it's nice to see the "older entities", but still, why that kind of a pop-singer in the middle of the story that otherwise is so believable?

Bad-pop, no future!

[Thinlómien]

I second Kuru. The Witch-King is a puppet, and not even an interesting one.

++The Witch-King

PS. Don't you guys dare to kill Maglor! Tsk, tsk. He's a good guy.

[Boromir88]

I think I'll join morm on the Elf slaugher...for now. Besides, why do we want a winner who was won to win again??

Back to back would be a serious accomplishment...if it is achieved. But, I would encourage for TV rating purposes to hold out on Maglor, all the viewers will be caught up in 'Can it be a repeat performance' hype, and 'How long of a run can Maglor make it...' You want to get rid of an Elf, join me in kicking out Celebrimbor...the guy made some cheap rings to his own profit.

[Thinlómien]

Boromir, I see your point. I'm ready to switch to your campaign if the situation looks bad for Maglor. He's a brother of my favourite, after all. (Though Celebrimbor is my favourite's nephew... Darn.)

What about Ori? He's useless and doesn't have a personality either. Besides, his name means "stallion" in Finnish. Get rid of this dwarf-horse, I say!

--The Witch-King

++Ori

[Boromir88]

I'll go for Ori, I want interesting match ups, feuds, and storylines...Ori just stands there and is non existant anyway. Plus, he doesn't adds no interest to the series at all

--Celebrimbor

++Ori

[Nogrod]

Lommy is making a lot of sense here!

Why to carry a minuscule stallion dragging us down here? The lack of personality or any specialness is a reason for lynching that beats just someone being a teflon-faced pop-star... :)

-- Tom Bombadil

++ Ori

[mormegil]

What exactly does Maglor do except walk around singing and acting all sad and tragic?

[Thinlómien]

What exactly does Maglor do except walk around singing and acting all sad and tragic?
Supports his brother (who is lovely) and makes wonderful music! :D

[Macalaure]

What exactly does Maglor do except walk around singing and acting all sad and tragic?
For one age and something: alternately slaying orcs and kin.

For two ages and some more: well, nothing really. But you have to admire the perseverence in it! It takes a lot to sing and act sad and walk by the shores for several thousand years.

How can you even consider eliminating Maglor?!


Having said that, I'm very fine with the ending of the existance of Ori. What did he do on Bilbo's companionship anyway.

++Ori

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Ori

Why do I vote Ori? Well, I agree with the things Lommy has to say, he reminds me of Stargate and I realy want to upset Mormegil. . .

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Maglor - 2
Witch-King- 1
Alf - 1
Ori - 5

[mormegil]

Supports his brother (who is lovely) and makes wonderful music! :D

Ori does all that and more.


Why do I vote Ori? Well, I agree with the things Lommy has to say, he reminds me of Stargate and I realy want to upset Mormegil

Past greviances coming to the front eh?

I seem to make more enemies than friends in these.

For two ages and some more: well, nothing really. But you have to admire the perseverence in it! It takes a lot to sing and act sad and walk by the shores for several thousand years.

No it creates a very boring character.


For one age and something: alternately slaying orcs and kin.

So we want to keep a murderer on do we?

[Thinlómien]

No it creates a very boring character. Are you saying that Maglor is more boring character than Ori? The nobody stallion-dwarf? (And his brother's not lovely, btw...) :D

So we want to keep a murderer on do we? And tell me what Ori does with goblins! :p

And if you're interested in a pacifist campaign, morm, I could support it - but we just have to start with Ori, not Maglor!

[Mirkgirl]

(hopefully, some lost souls which havent been seen for years here can still have a vote)

I'd agree about WK being a puppet... I always thought it would be a lot more interesting to see him die from a prophecy, if we have seen like anything of him before
++ Witch-King

[Boromir88]

So we want to keep a murderer on do we?
Makes him a far more interesting person than Ori.

I seem to make more enemies than friends in these.
Don't get caught up in alliances/grudges, like me, being random seems the best route. :D

Just for a little poll, who's everyone's favorite to win? I mean me personally a Manwe Sauron finale would be absolutely killer, the battle of ultimate good vs. ultimate evil and who will win can't get any more exciting than that.

[Glirdan]

Ah!! I just reaslised that there's another Elf on here whom I'd rather see gone!!

--Maglor
++Arwen

She knocked Glorfindel off his horse!! She's a usurper (by knocking him off his horse :p )!! COME TO MY AID ALL YOU ELF HATERS AND VOTE OFF THIS HORRIBLE USURPER!! LET'S GET RID OF THE....*tries to think of another word other than usurper* well, I can't seem to find another word... So, I'll stick with USURPER!! (Hey! I have a new favorite word in this game! :D )

That is all.

[Boromir88]

Arwen is one of the few ladies here, and probably the only fiesty one...I mean it's not her fault Glorfindel was a panzy and a pushover. :p

[wilwarin538]

I suppose I will vote also:

++Ori

What does he do in the Hobbit? Not much. I'm sure he could have tried a little harder to help out poor Bilbo.


Votes now:

Maglor - 1
Witch-King - 2
Alf - 1
Ori - 6
Arwen - 1 (you never give up do you Glirdan?) :p

[Bêthberry]

++ Osse, 'cause he's such a changeable water type--oh, and henpecked, to boot.

And 'cause I'm sitting back and watching Diamond be provocative. ;)

[mormegil]

And tell me what Ori does with goblins!

He doesn't kill his own kin over a jewel!

Don't get caught up in alliances/grudges, like me, being random seems the best route

Oh I don't. I get in with an alliance so long as it serves my purpose. I rather enjoy goading people and in return I get this sort of behavior back at me :D . There are some people who would rather kill off their favorite to save somebody that I want to be booted off. This is what makes this great.

Just for a little poll, who's everyone's favorite to win? I mean me personally a Manwe Sauron finale would be absolutely killer, the battle of ultimate good vs. ultimate evil and who will win can't get any more exciting than that

Never! Too many grudges out there to go releasing that info.

I'm not an elf hater per se but there are far too many elf fan boy/girls out there to let them dominate this competition.

[Glirdan]

You're right Wilwa, I never do give up! :D

Arwen is one of the few ladies here, and probably the only fiesty one...I mean it's not her fault Glorfindel was a panzy and a pushover.

Yes, but there are much better females left in here, Elbereth and Goldberry for instance. So I say we be rid of the usurper!! She's really rather annoying too... Good thing Legolas isn't in this, I'd be gunning for him instead! :D

Oh, and if it's a question of who did what in what time fram or what not, why not get rid of Bullroarer? What did he do in the Hobbit? Hmmm?? Sure he invented Golf, but that was years before the Hobbit took place!! But I'm not changing my vote. Instead of the movie "John Tucker Must Die", I'm changing it to "Arwen The Elf Must Die!!"

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Arwen is one of the few ladies here, and probably the only fiesty one...I mean it's not her fault Glorfindel was a panzy and a pushover.

That just earned you a spot on my list of enemys!

That makes the list look like this:

1. Mormegil
2. Boromir

[Glirdan]

Where am I on that list? :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

You are on my "Death Enemy List" and it would be to obvious that I am an elf lover, if I put you on the published list.

[wilwarin538]

45 minutes left!

And I will post the votes so far again, because I'm sitting here at home bored out of my mind with nothing better to do :p :

Maglor - 1
Witch-King - 2
Alf - 1
Ori - 6
Arwen - 1
Osse - 1

[Lalaith]

++SMAUG

Because by the time we got to know him in the Hobbit he wasn't a proper dragon at all, he was more like a lounge-lizard.

[wilwarin538]

The exciting Day 1 of All Star Survivor was a great start to the game. Many votes were cast, and they were spread out nicely, but the fianl votes were for:

Maglor - 1
Witch-King - 2
Alf - 1
Ori - 6
Arwen - 1
Osse - 1
Smaug -1

Ori will be cast off the "island" today.

Ori got up and started to walk away from his tribe of Hobbit Survivors, carrying only his little flute. As he turned around one last time to say goodbye to his tribe, Ori tripped on his grey cloak and fell of a conveniently placed cliff, never to be seen in a game of Survivor again.

Thus ends Day 1!


The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
The Witch-King
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Maglor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Manwe
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrimbor
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion
Ar-Pharazon

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam
Tom Bombadil

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Day 2 starts now! You have 24 hours to cast your votes!

PS: Day 2 might end a little later tomorrow, it could possibly be extended up to three hours, hopefully not that much, but you never know.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Durin

Deathless Durin's doom does dreadfully descend! :eek:

[Kuruharan]

...++ Witch-king, ++Witch-king again.

[mormegil]

Another dwarf eh? No I think we should really strike at the heart of the elf fan boys and that is none other than Maglor. Think of it if you have another favorite to win it's best to eliminate Maglor now so he isn't left near the end.

++Maglor

[Macalaure]

++ Celebrían

Once an orc says boo she goes for the Havens. Imagine she lived in the first age...

[Kuruharan]

What, exactly, does the Witch-king do?

His beastie spooked Snowmane causing Theoden's death. He chickened out facing Gandalf. He got snuck up on by a hobbit. He was killed by an opponent he should have crushed. He made a complete fool of himself at the battle of Fornost (in every conceivable way).

I mean, let's face it, the guy was a weenie who was operating on reputation alone. Tolkien himself even said...

They have no great physical power against the fearless

(Ha! Managed to work in a quote from The Man himself...beat that! :p )

[mormegil]

--Maglor (for now)

++Witch-King

I've made cases elsewhere about the Witch-king but the simple fact is that he's a pawn...as it Maglor.

[Glirdan]

I think this time I will agree with Tuor and vote for

++Durin

He may be deathless, but that doesn't stop him from smelling majorly.

[Thinlómien]

++Witch-King

(See previous "day" for reasons....)

And yay! I started a bandwagon! :D *gloats*

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far ( because I'm bored):

Durin - 2
Witch-King - 3
Celebrian - 1

Anything could happen. ;)

[Boromir88]

I guess no one can see the conniving little worm that Celebrimbor is. Now Grima is not in this competition, but at least as a pathetic worm he finally got some back bone and killed Saruman...what about Celebrimbor? This guy is useless. The only reason I didn't stay with him yesterday was because Ori, quite frankly is such a lag on the ratings, Celebrimbor is about just as bad.

Let's look at Celebrimbor's so called 'accomplishments.' So, he makes these 3 elven rings, supposedly he was tricked and deceived by Sauron to make them...what a hunk of baloney. If being Feanor's son isn't enough for you, when have you ever known the stubborn sons of Feanor give up anything they made that was of value? Which means the 3 elven rings Celebrimbor made were junk, or he would never have given them up. Also, it's quite clear he was in league with Sauron...tricked...ya right. Sauron goes to Celebrimbor says, make me some rings, I'll taked the fall for wanting complete and total domination over the Elven Race, and you can be stuck with the glory and honor of making this blingy jewelry. But, in reality the rings were junk, or Celebrimbor wouldn't have given them up, nor would Sauron have been able to easily dominate and make them absolutely useless when he had the Ring, and after the Ring was destroyed. So, put it simply the styling rings were no more than a cracker jack toy out of a box.

Then he moves on to design this door for Moria, and what kind of password is that? I mean if a brainless hobbit can figure out the password, then obviously he's a fraud. No wonder why Moria became infestered with Orcs and a Balrog, because this 'grand secret door' was more baloney by Celebrimbor.

So, while Celebrimbor goes around reeking the glory and fame of creating these super awesome items and achievements...look at what he actually accomplishes...nothing. The Rings were junk, his door was crap, and he goes on with everyone believing he's some great craftsman.

++Celebrimbor

[mormegil]

Psst...Boro

He's Feanor's grandson. But I'm all for eliminating any posterity of the scum they call Feanor.

[The Elf-warrior]

++Sauron

I think we can agree he is the worst of the worst among the contestants. He corrupted a whole nation. Things got so bad that Eru himself intervened and destroyed Numenor. It was he who ordered the werewolf murders of all of Beren's companions. He made the Uruks. The whole land of Mordor is a testimony of his great evil. On this second day we should cut off evil by its head instead of voting off a mere puppet, a venerable Dwarf Patriarch, a great craftsmen, and a victim of the Orcs. Who knows what kind of unspeakable torture she endured?

[Nogrod]

I would like to re-instate my case for Tom Bombadil.

The witch-King isn't so great as he could be, but still he's one of the master baddies. Without an enemy there would be no heroes either.

But what does Tom do in the story? (or Goldberry for that matter? - it's only my inner feminist that calls for killing Tom before Goldberry)

Singing melodramatic schlager-tunes and being so out of all that is happening. He does not add to anything that is in the story or involve himself in anything. He's just a "big-old-guy" who somehow can resist the ring but still is without a decent role in the story. Saving the Hobbits from the Barrow-Downs can not be counted here as a major involvement.

Tom is just downright repulsive "nice-guy" with no real function in the story.

Down with him!

++ Tom Bombadil

[Diamond18]

And 'cause I'm sitting back and watching Diamond be provocative. :p

Well I don't think this is quite the right crowd to find an Alf vote provocative. ;)

Hmmm... eenie meenie miney mo... who shall I vote for today?

+ + Ar-Pharazon

Pig. Creep. Jerk. Power mad Sauron toadie.

[mormegil]

It was he who ordered the werewolf murders of all of Beren's companions.

Yes but without Sauron we wouldn't have our beloved game of WW now would we?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Sauron

If you have to be a bad guy you have to be it proper and not go an put you power into a ring. Of all things, why a ring? Why not something big and manly, like a Shredder (http://www.komplett.se/mlf/produkt/bilder/processed/250/309024.jpg)
Die you minion of Morgoth!

[Bêthberry]

I continue my campaign against those who attempted to rule earth rather than let the rightful children duke it out themselves.

++ Manwe

Come on, with a name like that, he's the most magnificent? More like Morewennie, but skip the mustard 'cause this ain't no hot dog.

[Mirkgirl]

I continue my campaign against those who attempted to rule earth rather than let the rightful children duke it out themselves.

My plan was to stick to WK, but after this...
And I wouldn't give him my cat's litterbox let alone a Silmaril if he treated me like he treated Feanor.

++ Manwe

[mormegil]

And I wouldn't give him my cat's litterbox let alone a Silmaril if he treated me like he treated Feanor.


That's one of Manwe's greatest attributes! He, unlike all others, didn't grovel before the pompous Feanor.

[wilwarin538]

Votes so far:

Durin - 2
Witch-King - 3
Celebrian - 1
Celebrimbor -1
Sauron - 2
Tom Bombadil - 1
Ar-Pharazon - 1
Manwe - 2 (thanks Bethberry)

Also I will be ending the day an hour early, instead of late. So Day 2 ends at 1pm EST.

[Bêthberry]

Er, um, Manwe has two votes, from Mirkgirl and Bethberry, at this point in the day. :D

[Mirkgirl]

That's one of Manwe's greatest attributes! He, unlike all others, didn't grovel before the pompous Feanor.

You dont have to grovel, but if you want something that belongs to someone else and is regarded as very valuable by him you might as well ask nicely. A concept fully alien to oh-so-mighty manwe. No groveling due to illusions of self-importance is worst that grovelling itself.

[wilwarin538]

Day 2 had been just as eventful as Day 1, but the votes were much closer.

Durin - 2
Witch-King - 3
Celebrian - 1
Celebrimbor -1
Sauron - 2
Tom Bombadil - 1
Ar-Pharazon - 1
Manwe - 2

At the end of the day it was the Witch-King that got booted out of the game.

Literally.

As the Witch-King walked away from the other contestants, he looked down the cliff that Ori had fallen off of the day before, and made sure to not trip and meet the same fate. But as he turned to walk away, the Muddy Boot of Doom came out from behind a shrubbery and kicked the Witch-King, who then fell off the conveniently placed cliff.

Thus ends Day 2!

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Maglor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Manwe
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrimbor
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion
Ar-Pharazon

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam
Tom Bombadil

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Day 3 has begun! You may now start voting!

NOTE: This day will end at the normal time tomorrow.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Boromir makes a strong case for evicting
Celebrimbor, though I think it's more as being
the slow boy in elf class (after all, it did take him six
years and three changes of majors to graduate from
VTU (Valar Technological Institute).:

Let's look at Celebrimbor's so called 'accomplishments.' So, he makes these 3 elven rings, supposedly he was tricked and deceived by Sauron to make them...what a hunk of baloney. If being Feanor's son isn't enough for you, when have you ever known the stubborn sons of Feanor give up anything they made that was of value? Which means the 3 elven rings Celebrimbor made were junk, or he would never have given them up. Also, it's quite clear he was in league with Sauron...tricked...ya right. Sauron goes to Celebrimbor says, make me some rings, I'll taked the fall for wanting complete and total domination over the Elven Race, and you can be stuck with the glory and honor of making this blingy jewelry. But, in reality the rings were junk, or Celebrimbor wouldn't have given them up, nor would Sauron have been able to easily dominate and make them absolutely useless when he had the Ring, and after the Ring was destroyed. So, put it simply the styling rings were no more than a cracker jack toy out of a box.

Then he moves on to design this door for Moria, and what kind of password is that? I mean if a brainless hobbit can figure out the password, then obviously he's a fraud. No wonder why Moria became infestered with Orcs and a Balrog, because this 'grand secret door' was more baloney by Celebrimbor.

So, + + Celebrimbor

[mormegil]

++Maglor

I think Tolkien, may he rest in peace, was a bit drunk when he came up with this name. Seriously what is 'Maglor' it's an awful name and I read once...I believe in letter 292 the Tolkien stated:

I regret the name Maglor, things had been pretty rough in my life and the work wasn't going much anywhere at the time so I got a bit too drunk for my own good and thought I had a level of inspiration. Much too my chagrin I never caught the name and my editor never mentioned anything to me about the atrocity of a name that is Maglor. I really don't remember what I was thinking...if I even was. In retrospect his name matches the character...fairly useless and drab.

I've clearly demonstrated the the professor and I are in harmony on this. Therefore, if you love Tolkien and respect his works it is your duty to eliminate this embarassment of a character.

[Glirdan]

Oooo!! Good argument Morm! But I still don't like Durin or Arwen being in this game... Ugh!! Hmmm... What to do, what...to...do....

[The Elf-warrior]

++ Sauron

Because he is the evilest among the contestants. I have serious doubts about the authenticity of that quote mormegil.

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Tar-Mirel.

Seriously, what did she even do? Even Tolkien himself said that he thought her so unimportant that he barely gave her a name. All she did was get her crown stolen and died. All her crown being stolen did was try to show how sick Ar-Pharazon really was. She's a filler character, like a red-shirted ensign on Star Trek.

So, begone with the most useless character Tolkien ever wrote about.

(P.S. I predict that all the bad guys will be voted off, then any important good guys, and finally we'll have only minor characters, possibly one stronger but still minor character, and an Aniur.)

[mormegil]

She's a filler character, like a red-shirted ensign on Star Trek.

Ah but she has a name!

I have serious doubts about the authenticity of that quote mormegil.

I'm pretty sure it's authentic.

[Firefoot]

++Tom Bombadil

Got to honor old traditions... even if I don't find him as truly obnoxious as I used to, the songs do still get old after a while (maybe that's why he's not as obnoxious now that I just skip all his songs... :p ). Always going on about his yellow boots and whatnot, as if they couldn't tell that just by looking at him.

He doesn't deserve to be an All-Star anyway.

[The 1,000 Reader]

Ah but she has a name!

So did redshirts.

[Boromir88]

Hey I made a good argument for once...

++Celebrimbor

I wish I was around at the end of Day 2, I would have changed my vote to Manwe. If the WK was going down, Manwe sure would go down with him. I never understand why people always want to get rid of the bad guys, they're fun and great entertainment.

See with Sauron, you know he's down right evil and crazy. Celebrimbor he just masks himself as some glorious and brave good guy, but he's just a cheap petty worm.

[Lalaith]

Nothing wrong with redshirts. Garibaldi´s struggle to win independence for Italy and all that.
Brownshirts and blackshirts, on the other hand....

anyway, voting...

++TOM BOMBADIL

Everything Firefoot and Noggie said.
One of the few places where PJ and I totally see eye to eye.

[Boromir88]

What did Tom Bombadil ever do to you? :p

It's nice having a merry, singing, frolicking, yellow-booted guy around to cheer everyone up and hold everyone in good spirits. Kind of like a Richard Hatch character.

[Glirdan]

Thank you for saying exactly what I was going to say Boro! :rolleyes:

Anyway, my vote is for

++Arwen

She's still a usurper!!

[Macalaure]

What can I say about ol' Bombadillo that hasn't already been said?

I don't know.


++ Tom Bombadil

Especially for singing schlager - none of those people deserve surviving.

[Nogrod]

The voting clearly is taking a more reasonable path today...

++ Tom Bombadil

(For reasons, see day 1 and 2)

[Mirkgirl]

I'd still give Manwe a try... see yesterday for reasons

++ Manwe

[Thinlómien]

++Tom Bombadil

May I add to the case?
- He steals from the Barrow-Wight
- He drives the Barrow-Wight away from the 'Downs
- He drives potential BW's victims away

What crimes! As a barrow-downer I must say I'm horrified...

[Bêthberry]

Sure, do away with the funny one, the one who can provide humour when all else fails and a bit of hospitality, story and song. No sense keeping nonsense. What good's it for after all?

++ Manwe

[Kuruharan]

The one from Gondolin speaks sense!

++ Celebrimbor

[Volo]

Tom Bombadil depresses me with his optimism... :/
And he didn't even get into the film :Ö, what a loser (well, because there were no Barrow-Downs in the film... but that's different).
Very great reasons to get rid of him? No? Well, I won't even bother to vote him out, you do that for me. :D

[wilwarin538]

Votes thus far:

Celebrimbor - 3
Maglor - 1
Sauron - 1
Tar-Miriel -1
Tom Bombadil - 5
Arwen - 1
Manwe - 2

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Manwe

Imagine how things would have been, if he at a party in Valinor casually had mentioned to the Elves that the race of men would appear at some point. . .

[mormegil]

--Maglor

++Celebrimbor

[wilwarin538]

Day 3 wasn't quit as exciting as the first 2 days of All Star Survivor, but the votes were very close:

Celebrimbor - 4
Sauron - 1
Tar-Miriel -1
Tom Bombadil - 5
Arwen - 1
Manwe - 2

At the end of the day it was Tom Bombadil that received the most votes. :(

Tom stood up and walked away from his tribe. As he pranced away singing.........nothing terrible happened because he's one of my favorite characters. He just hopped a long singing happily, only slightly disappointed, and lived happily ever after.

:p

Thus ends Day 3!

Remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Maglor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Manwe
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrimbor
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion
Ar-Pharazon

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam

***************************************

You may now start voting!

I'm going on a little road trip with my family tomorrow, though we are leaving early in the morning, and I should be back in time, just wanted to warn you incase the plan changes and I end up being late.

[mormegil]

Is there actually any point in me voting for Maglor again? I can see that there are enough fans, I can't for the life of me understand why, but enough exist that he may be the favorite out there.

[Nogrod]

I could go with any bandwaggon getting rid of the minor works characters asap... Let's have a couple of double lynches first and continue the game then? We'll have to do away with them anyhow sooner or later, right? Or could someone of you really think of one of them as the winner? :)

[Glirdan]

Well, I agree with almost all of the minor characters getting the boot. But I think we should keep Goldberry around just a little longer. But I still want to get rid of Arwen (curse the usurper!) and Maglor...

[Diamond18]

Just because he was in a minor work does not change the fact that Chryspohylax is cooler than many of the characters here. I don't really give a twit about any of the other MW peeps (since my other favorites didn't make it to the allstar game... seems a shame Perry the Pom Pom and Princess Pom Pomier got to be ressurected when far more worthy candidates such as Farmer Giles and Roveranndom did not) but really, you can't just expell Chrysi with the lame reasoning that the story he was in wasn't as long as the others. Even if you do, might I remind you that he is a prominent character in what is arguably the finest RPG series to ever grace the 'Downs. And length? Oh, we got that, brothas and sistas.

Anyway, who to vote for?

+ + Maglor

Just because I feel sorry for morm. :p

[Gurthang]

++Maglor

I agree, let us get those pansy elves outta here!

Also, I will demolish any who attempt to thwart my plan to see Smaug and Chrysophylax through to the final.

Actually, scanning through the names, I've changed me mind.

--Maglor

++Perry-the-Winkle

Now that's a pansy name if I've ever heard one. And I don't even know what work he's from, so he needn't remain. To the plank with 'em!

[Diamond18]

Perry Como(tose) was in The Adventures of Tom Bombadil -- he was a particularly fat hobbit who befriended a troll, and wore cardigans and crooned "Catch a Falling Star."

I think I will stick with Maglor though. I mean, that letter from The Man himself was pretty damning. Thanks morm, for digging that up.

[Lalaith]

Right, I´ve run through the lists and I´ve found someone I find even more annoying than the recently evicted TB.


++INGWE

Is he a teacher´s pet, or is he a teacher´s pet?

[The Elf-warrior]

++Sauron.

You can't trust him no matter how far you throw him. He repented after Morgoth was defeated but he refused to stand the judgment of the Valar and became a Dark Lord himself.

[mormegil]

++Maglor

I guess pity support is better than no support. Oh and don't worry I can find all sorts of obscure quotes from Tolkien and they oddly match my exact feelings :D

[Glirdan]

Okay, I too will vote

++Maglor

Just to get him out of here. His singing is getting annoying, even more so than Bombadillo's singing, and that was driving me nuts!!

[Macalaure]

Imagine you are the King of the Gods. You live high on Taniquetil. You are the Lord of the airs. You are both wise and powerful. You have a force of eagles over in Middle-Earth which allow you to intervene practically everywhere you desire in the nick of time. You even have a fancy sceptre. Shouldn't you be loved and praised and be called upon by all free peoples?

Yet...

The only ones who ever called upon you were some retarded* oathtakers and a bad marksman who clearly inhaled too much of the fumes of Thangorodrim. No matter how many people your eagles save, in danger they will call for the help of your wife, who did little more than to kindle some faraway stars. In fact, they will rather cry the name of a former immortal who's dead since millennia to come for their help.

This guy depresses me.

++Manwe


*be assured that, in the future, I will deny to ever have made this statement.

[Bêthberry]

I'm going to stick with my Silmarillion schtick.

Macalaure's right about Manwe's always wife being favoured. In fact, most of the guys on Taniquetil seem to have this problem of being overshadowed by their wives. The eagles just don't dare enough. Wussies!

++Manwe

[Mirkgirl]

++ Manwe

The eagels always seemed to me to act on their own accord tho rather than on direct 'orders'. Or did I overlook something in my half-blind detest of the airy lord? Probably...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Bombadil must be avenged. . .

++Manwe

It is funny how we hardly even consider voting for "the minor works", maybe because we don't have that many feelings for them. . . It would be a shame if they won because of that.

[Lalaith]

Oh well. If I can´t get rid of the pet, I´ll get rid of the petter.

--INGWE

++MANWE

[Diamond18]

It is funny how we hardly even consider voting for "the minor works", maybe because we don't have that many feelings for them. . . It would be a shame if they won because of that.

Doubtful, but not, from my point of view, too terribly horrible. :) As the MWS mod I can hardly condone the act of voting them off purely because of their category. After all, it might be amusing to see how upset people get if they stick around longer than they ought to. Every game needs its pet controversy. ;)

[Tuor in Gondolin]

+ + Maglor

Just because I feel sorry for morm.

Ditto. + + Maglor

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Don't feel sorry for Mormegil, he is both manipulative and a turncoat . . . . I am sure it has been his plan to get these sympathy votes, all the time. ;)

[Glirdan]

Okay, I'm going to steal Wilwa's job for a minute here and tally the votes. :p ;)

Maglor - 4
Perry-the-winkle - 1
Sauron - 1
Manwe - 5

Come! Help us save the Lord of the Winds and of teh Valar!! Vote out Maglor!!

[The Saucepan Man]

I have been studiously avoiding this game up to now, as my view as to how the game should be played always seems to be diametrically opposed to most other players and very few people ever seem to share my favourites (just like Big Brother :rolleyes: ).

Yet now two characters, both of whom deserve the boot, are leading in the voting stakes, and I perceive the opportunity for a most satisfying double eviction.

For mormegil (to whom I owe many debts in this game) ...

+ + MAGLOR

The vastly over-rated son of the vastly over-rated Feanor. Need I say more? :D

[Firefoot]

++Manwe

At least Maglor is rather complex; the same really can't be said for Manwe. Totally goody-goody, ruler of the Valar, close to Eru... there's nothing terribly interesting about all that.

[mormegil]

Thank you Saucie but Firefoot I implore you to retract your vote so a double eviction can take place. I am actually a fan of Manwe so it saddens me but I'm willing to sacrifice him to get out the son of Feanor.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

If Firefoot retracts her vote it would not be you sacrificeing Manwe, but you getting the eviction you want handed to you on a silver plate.

[Kuruharan]

++ MAGLOR

Let's face it, the guy was just all wet.

[The Elf-warrior]

--Sauron
++Maglor

To try to save Manwe.

[wilwarin538]

Day three was a very close call, it came very near to a double lynching...I mean, a double cast off. :rolleyes:

Maglor - 7
Perry-the-Winkle - 1
Ingwe - 1
Manwe - 6

But Maglor, the second son of Feanor, was the one cast of the island on Day 4.

Maglor stood and began to walk away. When suddenly the Maglor Fan Club (of course its real :p) had formed an angry mob and began to stampede towards the "set" of Survivor All Star, in their excitement of forming an angry mob they didn't notice the object of their desire and ran over him, stomping him to the ground.

Thus ends Day 4 (and Maglor)!

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Manwe
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrimbor
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion
Ar-Pharazon

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam

***************************************

Sorry I ended up being so late, we stopped a couple of times on the way home.

I work til two tomorrow, so the day will end half an hour late. Sorry if this causes any inconveniences. :)

You may now start voting!

[Boromir88]

Why would anyone want to save the lil daddy's boy Manwe? His name has Man in it, but he sure doesn't act that way. Always having someone else do something for him, because he's not 'man' enough. I mean instead of him going to the Black Gate to do away with the Nazgul, he's got to send the Eagles. Which creates an even bigger plot hole as fans question, why in the heck couldn't the Eagles of carried Frodo to Mount Doom? No...I wonder why couldn't Manwe have dealt with the ring? Well, because he was a panzy that made others do things for him.

++Manwe

SpM, go with your heart, this is survivor, you don't owe anyone anything. :p

[wilwarin538]

Sorry Boro, looks like we posted at the excact same time. :p

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I don't know why I even bother to get involved in these games, all that hapens is that I get upset over the evictions. I am actually quite mad and feel like shouting at someone. . .

[Glirdan]

But it's just a game!! But if you must shout, shout! It actually feels quite good. :D

[mormegil]

I don't know why I even bother to get involved in these games, all that hapens is that I get upset over the evictions. I am actually quite mad and feel like shouting at someone. . .

I'm right here Rune :D

Well done everybody we got the little prat out of here so as to make him not win this contest.

My vote for today will go with whomever presents the best arguement.

[Boromir88]

Sorry Boro, looks like we posted at the excact same time.
I demand it be counted!...well actually not really, at least I got in the first vote for this new day...drat Survivor is a game only a matter of seconds...I tried morm :p . I should have stopped watching Poker Superstars and came on to vote...but you know how priorities work. :rolleyes:

Let the games begin...

My vote for today will go with whomever presents the best arguement~morm
My Celebrimbor argument wasn't good enough for you? Get this other relative of Feanor out of here, they're useless.

Though I would encourage also to get rid of Manwe. What's with everyone wanting to keep around all the goody-too-shoes? What a great show that would turn out to be, everyone all chummy getting along fine as if nothing was wrong. I mean even the Brady Bunch, the most family oriented show had conflict, strife, and intrigue. This is shaping up to be one of the worst rated Survivor's ever if this path continues. :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

those comments just made me even more angry :mad:
*shouts very abusive things at Mormegil and Glirdan*

Why don't I just make up a list of characters I like and then you guys can vote them off one by one. . .

[Glirdan]

Oh come on! Don't make so easy! :p

[Thinlómien]

Morm, Di, Glirdy, Tuor, Sauce, Kuru and Elf-Warrior... You can be sure you won't have any support from me during this game! :mad: ;)

Oh, I admit, I'm bitter... :D

Is there anyone else who wants to get rid of the Bullroarer and golf?

[Glirdan]

THANK YOU!! Someone else who sees Bullroarer as useless!!

++Bullroarer

What did he actually do in The Hobbit? NOTHING!! He wasn't even a main character! He was only mentioned in passing!!

[mormegil]

Boromir your Celebrimbor was moderately convincing but that wasn't today. I need new fresh material. I'd be more than willing to vote with the proper persuasion today.

Morm, Di, Glirdy, Tuor, Sauce, Kuru and Elf-Warrior... You can be sure you won't have any support from me during this game!

So what happens if I say I want to vote of the Bullroarer? :p

Problem with Bullroarer is he does have a great song named after him by Midnight Oil.

[The Elf-warrior]

++Sauron

Do not trust him!

I wholly disagree with those who want to boot off the Bullroarer. You have to admit it's a cool name (better than his real name) and he helped the Hobbits defeat the Orcs at the Battle of Greenfields. Let's honor him for his part in keeping the Shire green.

[Macalaure]

Maglor - gone
Witch-King - gone

This game is stupid! :p


I am going to ignorantly take out my frustration on the minor works characters.

++Chrysophylax Dives

I can hardly pronounce that... away with it.

[Boromir88]

elf-warrior, I don't like your Sauron vote, but I agree with you about Bullroarer. Somebody has to cheer for the underdogs. :D

[The Saucepan Man]

OK Boro, morm.

Let's get that Celebrimbor bandwaggon rolling. :D

The guy has the most ridiculous name of all. I feel embarassed just typing it. It's far too ungainly. Say it out loud a few times. Cel-e-brim-bor. Pure nonsense! And the last syllable sums him up really.

What! that's not good enough for you?

Well, let's rehash all those old arguments.

He must take the lion's share of the responsiblity for the whole Ring farce. He was vain enough to be flattered by Sauron into cooperating with him to make the other Rings of Power. Not only did that give Sauron the knowledge he needed to make the One Ring, but it also gave him the incentive to do so. The main purpose of the One Ring was to give Sauron power over the Elves through the domination of the Three Elven Rings. Who made those Three Rings? Why, Celebrimbor of course! Ergo, Celebrimbor (darn, I hate typing that name) was responsible for the creation of the One Ring and, in consequence, all the suffering that occured during the War of the Ring.

And the buffoon ended up impaled on a the standard borne by Sauron's armies. How embarassing is that?

He does not deserve to come anywhere near the prize for this contest. Vote him out now.

+ + CELEBRIMBOR

[mormegil]

++ CELEBRIMBOR

I have been convinced!

[Boromir88]

SpM, good point about the 'bor', and not to mention the middle syllable of 'brim'. :rolleyes: The worst combination of words to make a name I've ever seen.

If Celebrimbor was just flat out admitly evil man like Sauron, then I may not want to vote him off. But he's just a poser...poses as a good craftsman, when as has been clearly shown he made junk. Poses as some good and moral guy, but just gives his junk out to other races, for his own profit.

++Celebrimbor

[Diamond18]

+ + Princess Pam

Voting off PP has several advantages:

It satisfies the "all the Minor Works characters should go, just 'cause, and also because we want to be jotted down in Diamond's revenge notebook for this, not that she has one" people. If you must go after MW characters, for the love of dragons don't go after Chyrsophylax first.

PP. I assume we have all been children at one point in our lives and can see why this is wrong.

She married Ataxerxes willingly, which shows bad taste.

No self respecting mermaid in the history of women with fishtails would allow herself to be called Pam, after her husband. Yeah, that's right, Pam wasn't even her name. It was an acronym that stood for something I can't remember but was an official title Ataxerxes held.

You know I'm right, or at least you know I'm apparently the only one who actually knows anything about these characters so you wouldn't even know if I was wrong. Ha!

[Thinlómien]

++Bullroarer

But don't imagine you're forgiven though, Glirdy... :p

[Lalaith]

Boro, you haven´t retracted Manwe.

I don´t like the idea of going after the same family/race day after day, it smacks of unpleasantness. I´d like to vary our evictions a bit, at least in the early days.

+ + MANWE


For now. For the reasons I gave yesterday.

[Thinlómien]

1. Golf courses and golf tourism are part of a "development" package which includes infrastructure (multi-purpose dams, airports, ports, roads, bridges), mass tourism, expensive housing, entertainment facilities, export-oriented agriculture (flowers, exotic fruits and vegetables), and industrial parks/zones.

2. At the heart of the golf industry is a multi-billion-dollar industry involving transnational corporations, including agribusiness, construction firms, consultancies, golf equipment manufacturers, airlines, hotel chains, real estate companies, advertising and public relations firms as well as financial institutions.

The transformation of golf memberships into a saleable commodity has resulted in widespread speculation and dubious practices. In many countries golf course/resort development (including time- sharing resorts) is in reality often a hit-and-run business. The speculative nature of memberships and associated real property transactions also makes the industry very high risk.
In the wake of the current slowdown in the Japanese economy, many golf course and resort companies have become bankrupt, with investors and banks bearing the losses.

The bulk of the foreign exchange earned from golf courses and golf tourism does not stay in the local economy. The benefits which do remain are reaped by a few business people and their patrons.

3. The green golf package can be compared to the Green Revolution package in agriculture.
Golf courses are in fact another form of monoculture, where exotic soil and grass, chemical fertilizers, pesticides, fungicides and weedicides, as well as machinery, are all imported to substitute for natural ecosystems.
These landscaped foreign systems create stress on local water supplies and soil, at the same time being highly vulnerable to disease and pest attacks. Just as the Green Revolution is collapsing in country after country, the Golf Green is also fraught with ecological problems.

The environmental impacts include water depletion and toxic contamination of the soil, underground water, surface water and the air. This in turn leads to health problems for local communities, populations downstream and even golfers, caddies and chemical sprayers in golf courses.

The construction of golf courses in scenic natural sites, such as forest areas and coral islands, also results in the destruction of biodiversity.

4. In addition to environmental damage, golf course and resort development often creates skewed land use, displacing local communities or depriving them of water and other resources. In a number of countries, the victims of such projects are subject to police or military intimidation when they protest against the destruction caused by golf courses.

5. The golf industry aggressively promotes an elitist and exclusive resort lifestyle and notion of leisure.

This globalization of lifestyle is also a form of exploitation, the victims being the wealthy urban population who are encouraged to spend their surplus dreams and illusions, at the expense of the environment and other members of society.

Golf course and golf tourism development violate human rights in every sense of the word.

6. In the face of growing criticism of the adverse environmental impacts of golf courses, the industry is promoting the notion of "pesticide-free," "environmentally-friendly" or "sensitive" golf courses. No such course exists to date, and the creation and maintenance of the "perfect green" comprising exotic grass inevitably requires intensive use of chemicals.

7. Similarly, the increasingly touted Integrated Pest Management (IPM) system as an alternative to the use of pesticides on golf courses is not a solution. In practical terms, application of pest control through IPM is impossible to achieve and should be viewed as nothing more than a hollow attempt to make golf courses appear less toxic than they are.

The danger is that IPM will be taken seriously by officials involved in the approval of golf courses. Under scrutiny, the theory of IPM can be easily discredited.

It should also be stressed that considerable amounts of chemicals are used in the preparation of a golf course and in fertilizing the grass.

These are toxic, too, and thus make golf courses a threat to the environment and health.
~source: http://www.antigolf.org/english.html

See?

And who is to blame of all this?

Bandobras Took, aka. Bullroarer. Let's get rid of him, I say.

Besides, golf is boring.

[mormegil]

You know I'm right, or at least you know I'm apparently the only one who actually knows anything about these characters so you wouldn't even know if I was wrong. Ha!

You are more or less correct in the stating of facts.

PAM means Pacific and Atlantic Magician which was a fairly lofty title and nothing to be ashamed of assuming as your name.

Don't think you've got the corner on the minor works market. I may not be extremely knowledgable but I've read quite a few of them and remember a good deal. :p

[Firefoot]

++Princess Pam

Mostly because I just want all the Minor Works characters to go, being that I have never heard of most of them, so why would I want any of them to win? And Princess Pam reminds me of Princess Peach (same initials), who is totally obnoxious and a wuss. So Pam is guilty by association. :p

[Boromir88]

Thankyou Lalaith, I forgot that my vote was just seconds late....drat.

--Manwe

--Celebrimbor

++Celebrimor

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am not suprissed to see sertain members voting Celebrimbor. . . . I mean why should you punish the evil mastermind, when you can kick to a guy already lying down.

Lets put all blame on Celebrimbor, he got manipulated and used by Sauron for intents Celebrimbor never intended to happen. If anything he is a victim, but that might just make you want to use him as a scapegoat even more. . .
It is unfortuantely the rule more than the exeption, that we punish those who did not know what they were doing, rather than the people who are actually running the show.

[Boromir88]

It is unfortuantely the rule more than the exeption, that we punish those who did not know what they were doing, rather than the people who are actually running the show.

That right there should make people more convinced to vote for Celebrimbor. It just strengthens our argument...thanks ;) I mean does that make him better...he just makes stuff (which is still junk) and hands them out to whoever is passing by...I mean he didn't even bother with a background check. 'Here you go sir, take these very powerful rings here, they could very well dominate those you give them to. Oh here and let me show you how I made them.' So, he takes Sauron into his apprenticeship, without even doing a background check! Talk about carelessness...now Celebrimbor is just careless, and we don't need Elves like that on the island.

[mormegil]

Might I add that he is a decendent of Feanor and therefore still likely under, perhaps only a modicum, but still under the curse of Mandos. We don't need that around here any more.

[Kuruharan]

Considering the fact that I've voted for Celebrimbor once already and he inexplicably somehow managed to survive (evidently the horse's head was put in the wrong bed) this vote for me is pretty much inevitable.

++ Celebrimbor

[Bêthberry]

He has his own island. He doesn't need ours.

++Manwe

[Boromir88]

Bethberry, very clever, short and sweet...and true! But, I want Celebrimbor out before I go after Manwe. ;)

[wilwarin538]

Sorry I'm so late to end the day!

The votes:

Manwe - 1
Bullroarer - 3
Saron - 1
Chrysophylax Dives - 1
Celebrimbor - 5
Princess Pam - 2

Celebrimbor stood and began to walk away from his tribe. Nothing exciting happened because I'm in a rush. (Sorry) :rolleyes:

Remaining contestants :

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Manwe
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion
Ar-Pharazon

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam

***************************************

Again sorry it's so late.

You may now start voting.

[Diamond18]

+ + Ar-Pharazon

Several different kinds of odious. Also, apparently, a lame pirate wannabe.

[Nogrod]

So you did get done away with someone who was not knowledgeable of the things his deeds might produce - one that tried to make his best and was fooled for it...

Let's see how many persons we can spare after these requirements?

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Tar-Mirel.

Face it people, she was the most useless character of all. We already knew Ar-Pharazon was twisted, so usurping a throne wasn't really a shocking "he's evil" moment. After that, she pretty much just sat there and died. No hidden heroics. No martyr. Also, seeing as how she's the most useless, she's not exactly going to help the tribes. At best, Ar-Pharazon will steal her rations. She's just a stone everyone is dragging around on their backs.

[Volo]

++The Bullroarer

Damn, Lommy was faster to point out how evil golf is... :/
Instead of a field for only one (bad) purpose, there could be a forest or a farm or anything else but golf.

Well anyway, Bullroarer is a useless character.

[Kuruharan]

Behold!!!

With my legendary battleaxe, my magnificent beard, any my recently acquired really, REALLY big hat (see avvie), to say nothing about the gigantic orchestra that I've hired to play my theme music everywhere I go, I make a far more splendid entrance than the supposed King of Arda!

Off with his head, I say!!

++ Manwe

[mormegil]

++ Ar-Pharazon

First off he destroyed Numenor, and that simple fact makes the other contestant nervous on our island. He was another pawn of Sauron albeit a more knowing pawn in a way but less so in another. We've been arguing names lately, well this guy has the worst and what makes it worse than that: He choose this name!

[Thinlómien]

++Bullroarer

I want to get rid of him. And soon.

[Firefoot]

++MANWE

He sits up there on that mountain of his, pretty much detached from everybody, and plays favorites. And reasons already stated.

[Boromir88]

Like I said, Bethberry's little argument was clever:
He has his own island. He doesn't need ours.
And certainly Manwe wasn't a 'man' as his name suggests...what a fraud. Always having everyone else do things for him.

++Manwe

[wilwarin538]

I'm afraid I have to end the day early. I promise for the rest of the week the day will end at 2pm EST. Though, I will need a volunteer to do this for me on Saturday, Sunday and Monday. PM me if you are willing to mod Survivor for afew Days.

After a very slow day ( :rolleyes: ) the votes for Day 6 are:

Ar-Pharazon - 2
Tar-Miriel - 1
The Bullroarer - 2
Manwe - 3

Manwe walked away quietly. After being voted for almost every previous day, he new that his time was coming. But as he walked away a big, vicious, fluffy bunny came out of no where and started to attack him. Everyone watching wasn't scared because they thought that Manwe would be powerful enough to fend of the bunny rabbit. Bu this was no ordinary bunny, and not even Manwe could fend him off. Oh well, no one liked him much anyway. :p

Thus ends Day 6!

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion
Ar-Pharazon

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam

***************************************

Sorry if that was totally lame, I'm a bit hyper right now because a friend of mine I work with has retuned from being in Russia for a month, and I'm going to see her today. :D

You may now start voting! This Day will end at the normal time.

[Thinlómien]

What does "early" mean, Wilwa?

And I'm disappointed to see how few there are who think golf is evil... :p

[wilwarin538]

1 instead of 2 is early. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Oh, and I think golf is evil. :D

[Thinlómien]

Thanks, Wilwa! Now I get to vote that damned Took twice within two hours. Yesh!!

++Bullroarer

[Glirdan]

It's okay Lommy, I feel your pain with hating Golf.

++Bullroarer

[Thinlómien]

I love you Glirdan.

...

Though I still remember Maglor. :p

[The 1,000 Reader]

++Tar-Mirel.

The other people can't even remember her name right now, and Ar-Pharazon has already stolen her rations.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

++Princess Pam

or should I say perms panics and that is simply weird, so we better be off with her.

[Gil-Galad]

++Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie


hows he the king? i didn't vote for him...

[Diamond18]

+ + Ar-Pharazon

Don't lets make him one of those scumbag characters who just don't leave no matter how scummy they are. You all know the type... they hang around episode after episode making you hate them all the more, but the writers won't kill them off even though other characters are dropping right and left, because apparently it adds to the drama and/or suspense.... (Anyone who's seen Prison Break will know what I mean when I say that Ar-Pharazon is my T-Bag. Hmph.)

[mormegil]

++ Ar-Pharazon

Diamond I couldn't agree with you more.

[Macalaure]

How come Ori was gone the first day while the other useless dwarf still exists?

++Bofur

[Mirkgirl]

mmm Id say rather clean the minor characters first... save for Goldberry maybe

Pam or Alfie.... hmm

++Princess Pam

[Bêthberry]

EH! I missed voting off Manwe because of this slip-slidin' deadline thingy. I arrived at 1:45 ready to do my usual hatchet job and da case was closed! It's kinda hard to prophesise when an early post is needed when you aren't online 24/7. :p Well, at least I must thank Boro, Firefoot, and Kuru for doing it for me.

So, what to do, what to do today. Celebrimdor is gone. Do I stick with my Sillymillion vendetta or branch out? Hmm. Hmm. I think I'll go with the crowd who didn't know a good thing when they had it and so blew it all away.

++ Ar-Pharazon

[Macalaure]

I don't want Pharazon gone as yet (which will surely make everybody put their votes on him, now). So, just to get the crowd an alternative victim to stick with:

-- Bofur

++ Princess Pam

If I can't rid us of useless dwarves, I'll try to rid of us useless minor works characters.

[Kuruharan]

++ Ar-Pharazon

This show is in some desperate need of some ego trimming.

[wilwarin538]

I've decided to vote today:

++the Bullroarer

Down with golf!

The votes so far :

Bullroarer - 3
Tar-Miriel - 1
Princess Pam - 3
Alf - 1
Ar-Pharazon - 4


EH! I missed voting off Manwe because of this slip-slidin' deadline thingy. I arrived at 1:45 ready to do my usual hatchet job and da case was closed! It's kinda hard to prophesise when an early post is needed when you aren't online 24/7. Well, at least I must thank Boro, Firefoot, and Kuru for doing it for me.

I'm very sorry Bethberry. :( When I decided on a time to start and end the day I thought 2 would be the best time for me, but things keep happening that mess it up. Half the time it's things I never planned on. Sorry that it's keeping you from voting. :(

[The Elf-warrior]

++Ar-Pharazon

He tried to invade Valinor. That was not only wrong, it was also foolish.

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Despite Bullroarer's heroics defending the Shire
one can't ignore his role in creating one of the most
boring games around (along with soccer and tennis).
So:

+ + Bandobras Took
a.k.a. The Bullroarer

[The Saucepan Man]

I am no fan of golf, but I think that people are concentrating rather too much on the by-product of the Bullroarer's achievement, rather than the achievement itself.

This amazing Hobbit succeeded, with what was no doubt not much more than a band of glorified Shirriffs, in routing, yes routing, a Goblin invasion of the Shire and, in so doing, clove Golfimbul's head clean off. That's is quite an achievement for a Hobbit. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that he ranks among the most heroic Hobbits of all time.

The invention of the tedious game of golf rather pales into insignificance when one considers these facts.

Besides, he has one of the greatest names of all.

Ar-Pharazon, on the other hand, has no redeeming features. Vain and ambitious, he brought nothing but ruin to his people. In comparison with a Hobbit who was the saviour of his people, there would seem to me to be no contest.

+ + AR-PHARAZON

[Volo]

I'll just continue and vote the hobbit out.

++The Bullroarer

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Volo, you realy are a minion of Lommy !

[Mirkgirl]

okay seems we wont be able to get rid of some minor this time so

--Princess Pam
++Ar-Pharazon

While Im not impressed with golf, I dont see anything THAT bad at it either... plus the original game has a certain flair - I wouldnt mind a game with orcs. (& I agree with The Saucepan Man that its mean to judge the character just by the game)

And Ar-Pharazon is just an idiot, scuse my french.

[The Saucepan Man]

One further question to consider.

Who would you rather have as the leader of your nation? One who sees off a band of cruel invaders and incidentally invents the game of golf, or one whose vain ambitions bring a catastrophic flood upon your land, thereby destroying it?

You can ignore golf, but you can't ignore a bloomin' great tidal wave!

[Lalaith]

Wilwa, you ignored either my or Beth´s Manwe vote day before yesterday. Probably mine. :confused:

As for today I´ll be delighted to join the Ar-Pharazon bandwaggon. For what he did to Tar-Miriel, there can be no forgiveness.
+ + Ar-Pharazon

[wilwarin538]

Sorry I'm late.

Votes for today:

Bullroarer - 5
Tar-Miriel - 1
Princess Pam - 2
Alf - 1
Ar-Pharazon - 8

Ar-Pharazon stood and started to walk away from the tribal council. After only taking a few steps, the council heard large crashing from the distance. Suddenly a large, robot giraffe (Wayne's idea :p ) stomped past the tribal council, and stepped on Ar-Pharazon in the process.

Thus ends Day 7!

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle
Princess Pam

***************************************
You may now start voting!

Sorry Lalaith if I missed your vote, but Manwe is out now, so I don't see how it really effects the game. But sorry anyway, I'll slow down when I count the votes.

[mormegil]

We should thin out one of the groups who still have 5. That is minor works, LOTR, and The Hobbit. I suggest we keep Bullroarer as he is fairly interesting, for a hobbit. Merry on the other hand is rather obnoxious, he can't take orders and without Pippin he's kind of like David Spade without Chris Farley--Useless.

++Merry

[Thinlómien]

Mormegil, you're wrong. I was almost ready to have a ceasefire concerning Bullroarer, but obviously I can't do it now. :p

Merry is useless without Pippin? Tell that to Éowyn, or to the Witch-King.

Merry is one of the most sympathic characters Tolkien ever wrote. He's funny, but can be serious. In his own way he's wise, and he's friendly. And of the hobbits I've always preferred his attitude and sense of humour.

Let's not vote him.

If we want to get rid of one pair of furry feet, let's lynch Bullroarer. Really, he's only a war heroe, there's no other aspect to him (except the golf most people here seem to disapprove). We know nearly nothing of his personality or life. Why to support an unknown nobody, who's only famous for hacking off a goblin's head and inventing one of the most stupid games in the world?

One who sees off a band of cruel invaders and incidentally invents the game of golf, or one whose vain ambitions bring a catastrophic flood upon your land, thereby destroying it?The ambitious one, of course. Much more entertainment... ;)

Volo, you realy are a minion of Lommy ! Of course he is! Ever heard of authorities brainwashing innocent youth? :p

[Nogrod]

I agree with Mormegil, that we should even the groups.

But as I've said earlier, I would like to start that evening out from the "minor works compartment".

++ Princess Pam

Morm (and a couple of others) have been making a lot of the names different characters carry with them.

Pam?

:rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

I conclude that Morm's favourite is in Silm or 2nd Age. Good to know, good to know...

However, I agree with him on his point about Merry. I mean, come on, even the name itself is annoying, not to mention everything else.

++ Merry

[Thinlómien]

++Bullroarer

Do I need to explain anymore?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Here we go again. . .

++ Princess Pam

[The Elf-warrior]

++Sauron

[mormegil]

Merry is useless without Pippin? Tell that to Éowyn, or to the Witch-King.

Well neither one is here now are they...so he is rather useless. He's neither a good serious nor a good funny. He tries to balance the two but fails horribly.

[Glirdan]

And once again...

++Bullraoarer

[mormegil]

Let me add to my Merry argument. He essentially is neither here nor there. He's, as I said, moderately funny but not enough to keep neither is he serious enough to be kept for his depth. He's not exactly dumb, and we can find some charm in dumb or slow witted characters, but he's not really intelligent either. He's not a blundering nincompoop on the battle field, well at least by the end, but he's no master strategist either and do NOT tell me the Scouring of the Shire plan was a stroke of genius, he simply blew his horn and had the hobbits out number the ruffians. He's neither repugnant morally nor is he scrupulous.

The sum of it is: Merry is just plain and average and nothing he does can change that. There's really only a sense of mediocre blah when it comes to Merry and that my friends is a rating killer plain and simple.

[Nogrod]

Just see the scope of the argument we are having with Middle-Earth based chartacters! That's too good to be wasted while characters like Princess Pam still live in the game!

Why are we wishing to do away with them so hastily as we could just calmly kill those minor works types (well, possibly first not including Chrysophylax - it's a dragon anyway, or Goldberry - she's in the LotR anyway).

Just do away with those not ME-related figures first and then release the battle of the "real personas"... :rolleyes:

Sorry to look one-sided, but I can't help myself. I could give seven Pams and thirteen Alfs for one Manwë.

[mormegil]

Perhaps there are those who like the minor works characters as well. :p

[Nogrod]

Perhaps there are those who like the minor works characters as well. :pI'm most convinced about you being one... :rolleyes:

[Lalaith]

I´m starting to wonder what Bofur is bringing to the ratings, exactly. I like a dwarf with attitude but this one is just a waste of space.
++BOFUR

[Nogrod]

Well, we didn't have Bombur to choose for... even though he might have been a bit sympathetic. :)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Perhaps there are those who like the minor works characters as well.

Just as I thought you could not sinck any lower. . .

[Bêthberry]

++Merry, Merry

(sung to the tune of Neil Diamond’s Cherry, Cherry)

Here comes showdown, ain’t gonna be late
Gonna be outta sight, yeah
Merry’ll run outta town, can’t wait

Merry, Merry
Go on Merry, Merry
Merry, Merry
Go on Merry, Merry
Whoa, Merry

Gonna make your own lightnin’
It won’t be frightnin’
That’s all it takes
To get Merry shakin’
Outta sight.

Merry, Merry
Go on Merry, Merry
Merry, Merry
Go on Merry, Merry
Merry, Merry

Okay, well, Neil's lyrics never were his strong point. Sort of like the likeable hobbit fellow.

[Diamond18]

Well, I like Merry, though I do hold somewhat of a grudge re: the fact that he won LotR survivor whereas Pippin didn't even make it in the all star round. Perhaps this is just as well, because I doubt anyone here wants to see Diamond frothing at the mouth trying to orchestrate a Pippin win (no argument would sway me, sorry, that's just how it is when you're a Pippin fangirl). Regardless, clearly Pippin is the more interesting hobbit of the two and if Pippin can't be around then, well, I'm not sure Merry should be either.

On the other hand, there's Princess Pam. As I said before, I'd rather have had Farmer Giles or the Mewlips or Roverandom or lots of other MW characters around before Pam. She was minor in the minor work and her name still drives me crazy.

And between Merry and Princess Pam... well, Pippin wouldn't vote Merry off at such a point. WWPD. Those are the initials I live by.

+ + Princess Pam

[Gil-Galad]

sticking with ++Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

[Mirkgirl]

whats wrong with plain average? Merry is not as comical as Pippin but cracks a joke now and then and also reads a book now and then. Who took lead in Fangorn cause he actually used his time in Rivandell well. Who leaded the scouring of the shire? Who organised the whole move in Hobbition? Who was on the right track on the door of Moria (okay, exaggerating a bit here ;)). What would we do without a character who's just plain enough to do all the little but important tasks which don't fit all that well in some distinct character's code of action.

And to hear that Merry is useless without Pippin makes me want to strangle PJ. And Im sorry to see such nice folk as yourselves apparantly feeling the influence of the movie.


So Im going ahead with the yet-to-happen slaughter of minor characters
+ + Princess Pam

[Kuruharan]

I agree with Gil-Galad.

++ Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

...should go.

King's ought to have their full names used. Like Alfred...Alfonzo...Alfredo...Alfalfa...

[mormegil]

And to hear that Merry is useless without Pippin makes me want to strangle PJ. And Im sorry to see such nice folk as yourselves apparantly feeling the influence of the movie.

No, my opinion isn't influenced by the movies so no need to worry, even if it were it's fairly irrelevant. However you admit that Merry is fairly bland and mediocre...this character type is horrible for ratings. Plus he's Pippin's friend and supporter and that alone is crime enough for a hanging.

[Bêthberry]

I think some of you are missing the point. This isn't the "Weakest Link". I think we should be honouring Tolkien's philosophy by wisely considering that even the smallest and weakest might have an important part to play. Thus, we should be booting off the powerful, especially the obnoxious, snivelling powerful ones, and those who we know will land sturdily on their feet in character-afterlife, otherwise known as rerun heaven or Lost or any number of talk show.

;)

[The Saucepan Man]

However you admit that Merry is fairly bland and mediocre...this character type is horrible for ratings.While I disagree that Merry is either bland or mediocre, I do agree that bland and mediocre characters are bad for the ratings. And so I shall vote today for one of the blandest and most mediocre of them all.

+ + ALF THE PRENTICE, KING OF FAERIE

I have no conception of what Alf was actually like. For one of the central characters in his tale, this is not a good thing at all. My only impression of him is that he was a goody-two-shoes (the worst kind of reality show contestant - no fun whatsoever) and that his wife took to embarassing him by flirting with strangers in his land. Neither quality recommends him to me.

I think some of you are missing the point. This isn't the "Weakest Link". I think we should be honouring Tolkien's philosophy by wisely considering that even the smallest and weakest might have an important part to play.But Bêth, you voted for Merry ... :confused:

[mormegil]

SpM not voting for a Hobbit?!?! I am shocked!!! :rolleyes:

[Tuor in Gondolin]

Yes. It is time to make minor deletions to
minor characters. So:

+ + Princess Pam

[The Saucepan Man]

SpM not voting for a Hobbit?!?! I am shocked!!!Morm, I will happily vote for Merry tomorrow if you change your vote to Alf today.

Merry has already won once. He doesn't have anything to prove.

[The Saucepan Man]

Sorry - further proviso for voting for Merry - I will do so once Alf goes.

[Thinlómien]

--Bullroarer

++Princess Pam

She has a stupid name (like the golf-monster, I know) and I want to keep Merry safe. And to get rid of these "minor nobodies" ;) ...

[The Saucepan Man]

Ah well, looks like any Merry deal is off the table for now, unless a few quick Alf votes come in. Sorry, morm. As I said, I have no objection in principle to seeing Merry go, given that he has won once already, but I would rather see the airy king of faerie go first. :D

[wilwarin538]

You guys must be annoyed with the way I'm ending late or early every day, but I'm seriously trying my best. Before I decided to do this my summer was slow and I had plenty of time. But now lots is happening with me that I didn't expect, and I'm really sorry for that. Hopefully my life will slow down soon. :rolleyes:

The votes for today were as follows:

Merry - 3
Princess Pam - 6
Bullroarer - 2
Sauron - 1
Bofur - 1
Alf the Prentice - 3

So today, Day 8 of Survivor All Star, Princess Pam is the minor character to be kicked out of the game.

After a bit of winning and begging, the Princess gave in and sulked away from the tribe. As she was walking away, she got into her princess carrage(sp?) and followed by many servants and a parade was led away from her tribe.

Thus ends Day 8!

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie
Perry-the-Winkle

***************************************

You may now start voting!

[The Saucepan Man]

+ + ALF THE PRENTICE, KING OF FAERIE

I have nothing against Faerie itself. But Faerie, to me, should be exciting, perilous, slightly dangerous. And the King of Faerie should exemplify those things. Alfie does no such thing. He's just bland and boring.

Off with him!

[mormegil]

Really to keep some balance we should be voting for the hobbit or LOTR characters as most will see the poor minor works folks won't make it very far because apparently some of you don't appreciate those works.

Look at Merry's name. Double r's are ambigious linguistically as they are pronounce very differently depending upon the language or dialect even. Take Portuguese for example, in Portugal you would make a near rolling R sound similar, yet different, to that of traditional Spanish. However, in Brazil it would make something closer to an H sound but even then the double R is messy and confusing in all languages and should go, ergo

++Merry

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

+ + ALF THE PRENTICE, KING OF FAERIE

He reminds me of a dish I once ate !

[Bêthberry]

morm, I love a linguistic argument!

++ MERRY

Sauce, re your query about Merry yesterday. Merry isn't one of the weakest and smallest. He survives the Quest very well, thank you very much, returns with no small amount of mental equanimity to The Shire, to become very much a well to do squire himself. In more modern terms, he might be seen as a socially-climbing bourgeoisie, very able to find himself a comfortable niche anywhere--so much like the rest of us as to be, well, ho hum.

[Firefoot]

++ALF THE PRENTICE, KING OF FAERIE

It's not that I don't appreciate the Minor Works. It's that I've never read them. And I'm hardly going to vote a character to win that I've never heard of.

And if he's a king of something, well, he hardly needs more honors, does he? And Prentice... it sounds like Apprentice - so what, is he just learning to be king, hm? Trial and error is hardly a fit way to rule.

[Lalaith]

So that is the way it is going? Well, I like Merry, the viewers like Merry, but this Alf guy is dull as paint drying. Not quite as dull as Bofur, but I will just have to wait for that eviction.

++ALF

[mormegil]

My friends, it has become horribly obvious that there is some deft subterfuge at work here. This blatant attempt to get every minor work character evicted is nothing short of genocide. Mark my words today the excuse is "I like Merry so Alf needs to go" and tomorrow it will be a similar story but it will be another minor work character.

It is our moral obligation to stop this genocide and save those characters who, through no fault of their own, haven't received their due recognition. Alf is a wonderful character who has much more personality than Merry. He has a rags to riches story unlike Merry who was born in the hobbit aristocracy and never did anything to benefit anybody but himself.

SAVE THE MINOR WORK CHARACTERS AND VOTE MERRY.

PS For Rune, Mac and other with a vendetta I do not particularly care if Alf wins but I'd rather he stay so as to stop this wholesale slaughter of the poor minor works who seem to have no voice!

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

A vendetta . . . me ? I never seek vengance. . . .well I never get vengance, at least until now it seems! :smokin:

[The Elf-warrior]

I heartily second what Bêthberry said about this not being the weakest link, but I believe we should kick off the bad guys and let the best person win. Even if he or she is "boring".

++Sauron

[Firefoot]

Merry who was born in the hobbit aristocracy And hobbits pre-Bilbo and pre-Frodo were how important in the large picture of things? I suppose "aristrocrats" always feel like useless baggage? never did anything to benefit anybody but himself. Because Merry was so selfish when he left his home to go with Frodo. It was totally for himself that, seeing Eowyn in trouble, he stabbed the Witch-King. And he selfishly refused to accept more than a small gift from Eomer and Eowyn.

[The Saucepan Man]

My friends, it has become horribly obvious that there is some deft subterfuge at work here. This blatant attempt to get every minor work character evicted is nothing short of genocide.Au contraire, I shall be quite content to let the minor works characters be once Alf has departed. And, despite being a minor works character, Alf can hardly be described as a minor character. That's what makes it so awful that he is so bland and featureless.

Alf is a wonderful character who has much more personality than Merry.Uh? Character? Wonderful? Alf? Sorry, does not compute. You are surely thinking of someone else.

He has a rags to riches story ...Ah yes. I think that you must be. In what way does Alf have a rags to riches story? He was King of Faerie, for goodness sake. Can't get much more aristocratic than that. And I like my aristocrats (and my Faerie inhabitants) to have character. Merry has more in his little finger than Alf.

[mormegil]

Ah yes. I think that you must be. In what way does Alf have a rags to riches story? He was King of Faerie, for goodness sake. Can't get much more aristocratic than that. And I like my aristocrats (and my Faerie inhabitants) to have character. Merry has more in his little finger than Alf.

SpM how dare you? You think that somebody won't rebute this arguement and that you can manipulate those who have not read it into believing this. Alf did not start as king. No he was a boy of little consequence in a small village of little consequence who became a prentice to the master cook then became king. How is that not a rags to riches story?

Merry on the other hand was born into wealth by hobbit standards and a family of power and influence yet he did little with it.

Alf was humble about all his experiences and fortunes, Merry however flaunted his riches to his final days and tried to usurp that of others. He is a thief and that's a fact! He stole from Saruman and then flaunted Saruman's own pipe weed when he was a beggar. He taunted a poor old beggar man that had been cruelly defeated and stripped of any dignity by trees.

[Gil-Galad]

well i started this bandwagon so i might as well ride it out

++Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

[Kuruharan]

Never let it be said that I am inconsistent, particularly during those times when I am inconsistent.

However, this is not one of those times.

++Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

[The Saucepan Man]

Alf did not start as king. No he was a boy of little consequence in a small village of little consequence who became a prentice to the master cook then became king. How is that not a rags to riches story? Actually, he was King all along. But who cares? He's boring.

You make Merry sound rather exciting, though. All the more reason to keep him. :p :D

[Diamond18]

SPM is right, morm -- Alf was the King all along and the persona of Alf the Prentice was just an alias. A disguise. If you'll remember, Master Cook Rider went on travels and came back with Alf, he was not from the village and no one knew his history or parentage.

And Firefoot, "prentice" does indeed mean "apprentice" as Alf's role was the apprentice to Master Cook Rider. This was all a ruse more or less so that he could plant a magic star in a cake.

But you bring up something interesting about the whole anti minor works crusade. It's really kind of shameful the way that people are touting their ignorance as if it's something to be proud of. I mean, really, and you call yourselves Tolkien fans? Really! You won't even bother to read his minor works? I encourage everyone here to think twice before jumping to say "I haven't read them so I don't care." It's like saying, "I only listen to what's on Top 40 radio" or "I believe everything I see on TV."

!

I personally wouldn't mind seeing Alf go, but right about now I'm feeling that it's my duty as the MWS moderator to stand up for the Tolkien that isn't LotR/Silm/Hobbit. The stuff only real fans have bothered to read. :p

So, let's get rid of a megalomaniac who would be the first to jump on an anti minor works bandwagon:

+ + Sauron

Maybe games like these should be incentive to become more knowledgable about the world of Tolkien, eh? Vote not in ingnorance, my friends.

[mormegil]

*psst* Diamond hush up and help me on this ruse okay!

Well I was hoping that only Saucie would contradict my story but alas it wasn't to be, but at least he's mysterious and people like that.

[Diamond18]

Well, morm, if you change your vote from Merry to Sauron, that'll be 3 votes for Sauron, making the score:

Alf -- 6
Sauron -- 3
Merry -- 2

If I change my vote it'll be Merry 3 and Sauron 2. However I dislike the idea of voting Merry here because Sauron is quite clearly more at odds with Alf than Merry is. He stands for all that is boring about stomping on the little guys and ignoring what's too small to merit his observation (read: anti minor works crusade) whereas Merry as a hobbit is too closely aligned to the overlooked end of things.

By the by, Bb, how about changing your vote to Sauron, eh? Merry may be part of the hobbit upper class, but compared to the self proclaimed Lord of the Rings, well....

[Mirkgirl]

It's not that I don't like Alf. It's not that I haven't read the minor works. It's that I've read SoWM and the only thing I can remember is they put something in the cake - so I don't know atm enough to have an opinion on Alf. Oh and that just remembering A.L.F. every time they mentioned the boy's name was more entertaining than the story itself. Most management books I've read have left more trail in my memory (and thats the prose equal to vogon poetry)

++Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie

[Macalaure]

PS For Rune, Mac and other with a vendetta I do not particularly care if Alf wins but I'd rather he stay so as to stop this wholesale slaughter of the poor minor works who seem to have no voice!
Vendetta? Well... maybe...

However, do we want to keep people around who have no voices of their own? Shall those have our island? No, I don't think so. Down with minor works characters!


So, with all honesty ( :rolleyes: ) : I like Merry so Alf needs to go :p

++Alf

[Bêthberry]

Alas, alas, Diamond, it appears that changing my vote would do nothing to stop this juggernaut of Antoinettes. I bet these people yell, "Let them eat not-cake"! What do they have against sweet confections anyway?

I bet Sauce, Mac, Mirk, Kuru et al are all just a bunch of evil Fridge Fairies who can't stand seeing people enjoy good food. :D

[Mirkgirl]

ooops she figured us out.

I need better tarning... at least you dont know about that other thingy do you?

[The Saucepan Man]

What do they have against sweet confections anyway?Nothing at all. I just prefer my confectionary free from foreign objects - particularly hallucinogenic ones which induce visions of Faerie.

There we are. Another reason to vote off Alfie. He was not the King of Faerie at all, but an evil drug pusher. He probably sends spam e-mails with titles like "FaYRee.sTAr@diScOnt.pRYces". :eek: ;)

[Celuien]

Cake is good.

This may well be futile, but I'm used to futile causes. :p :D

++SAURON

Save Alf!

[mormegil]

I will relent on my Merry crusade for today and help out the Sauron clause. We all know Alf to have made a short modern appearance on our sitcoms and oddly he was called ALF again however this time he was a delightful alien whose zany antics and relentless desire to eat cats created hilarity during every scene.

--Merry

++Sauron

Though the twit called Merry is next!

[The Saucepan Man]

But morm, you are forgetting:

Yes but without Sauron we wouldn't have our beloved game of WW now would we? ;)

Do you have any particular reason for wishing to save Alf? If not, I would ask you to bear in mind my decisive support for Maglor ...

[mormegil]

Do you have any particular reason for wishing to save Alf? If not, I would ask you to bear in mind my decisive support for Maglor ...

No particular reason but it is enjoyable to see people believing I care for him. That's right I have no particular affinity with him other than his evicition means Merry doesn't go today but I can get rid of Sauron so as to save Alf if needs be.

Yes I remember your support but I believe you remember some 'aid' I rendered to you and yours on a particular game that may have been pivotal at times. ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

Yes I remember your support but I believe you remember some 'aid' I rendered to you and yours on a particular game that may have been pivotal at times.Aye, and I have acknowledged that aid. But this time, I act alone (a certain Dwarf's vote for the W-K saw to that).

Nevertheless, a loose arrangement of sorts to reflect and revive the past co-operation between you and I could be of mutual benefit. I have already offered you my support on the Merry issue once Alf has gone, in return for your support in achieving that end.

[mormegil]

Fine I accept the offer.

--Sauron

++ALF

I guess my victory of Merry must wait.

[Bêthberry]

He probably sends spam e-mails with titles like "FaYRee.sTAr@diScOnt.pRYces".

Well at least he is bright enough to see the modern form of Fairie and devise new ways of reaching out. :p

On the other hand, I bet Sauron is probably busy as an Internet impersonator, never revealing his true self but putting on new personas and identities in order to entrap the unwary, the innocent, the trusting, the curious, the bored, and the comically underpriviledged to say nothing of the comically challenged. ;)

- - Merry

+ + Sauron

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am still convinced that the "Minor Works" characters means something to Mormegil and I shall continue to vote for them. . .

[Firefoot]

Diamond: :p And I did read Roverandom - the only one my library has... and I don't ever remember seeing SoWM, anyway, in my bookstore. I saw the Adventures of Tom Bombadil once, but I don't even like him in LotR...

[wilwarin538]

So today the Day actually ends on time! :D

The votes:

Alf the Prentice, King of Faerie - 9
Sauron - 4

Alf the Prentice will be the minor character voted off the island today.

Alf, the second minor character, and royalty, voted off in a row, stood and walked away from the tribe. He was led to a small canoe on the shore of the ocean and put into it, by himself. he was pushed of and slowly he drifted off to sea.

Thus ends Day 9!!!

The remaining contestants:

From the Lord of the Rings Survivor
Merry
Gimli
Hama
Gandalf
Arwen

From the Silmarillion Survivor
Sauron
Elbereth
Osse
Ingwe

From the Hobbit Survivor
Smaug
The Bullroarer
Gloin
Durin
Bofur

From the Second Age Survivor
Tar-Miriel
Celebrian
Thorondor
Tar-Aldarion

From the Minor Works Survivor
Chrysophylax Dives
Goldberry
Perry-the-Winkle

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You may now start voting.

[Volo]

Why vote Merry off? He is more of a hero than Bullroarer and him some of you protected because he's a hero...

I just don't like to change my opinion...

Or maybe I am a soulless minion of Lommy, who knows...

++The Bullroarer

[mormegil]

What did Merry do that made him a hero? He didn't kill the W-k we all know it was Eowyn and but for the charity of a lady he would be relegated to telling Hobbit stories to the Rohan women, it is my personal belief that Merry breathed a sigh of relief when King Theoden wouldn't let him come on the journey but to his utter dismay Eowyn roped him in and essentially had to tie him down so as to make him come. Of course since Merry had access to the history books he rewrote history to make himself look better.

Bullroarer, however, stopped and Orc invasion whereas didn't even kill a single orc in all of Pellenor fields let alone stop the entire invasion.

Plus, and most importantly, Merry is named after an emotion! What kind of man is named after and emotion? Seriously though!

++Merry

[Firefoot]

*coughScouringoftheShirecough*

++Arwen

In the movies she's obnoxious and in the books she's practically nonexistant. Hers and Aragorn's story in the appendices is touching, sure, but what else does she really contribute?

[mormegil]

What did Merry do in the Scouring of the Shire? He blew his horn and devised the master stratagem of surrounding his foes with superior numbers. Had his foes had any level of intelligence he wouldn't have done anything and would have been massacered. The Hobbits for crying out loud, guerilla tactics would be much more suited for them then open combat yet Merry was too dim witted to even see this.

He would never be my captain.

[The Saucepan Man]

A promise is a promise.

+ + MERRY

[Kuruharan]

He blew his horn and devised the master stratagem of surrounding his foes with superior numbers.

Actually, that sounds like a pretty good strategem to me...well, except for the bit about blowing the horn. Truly important people (such as myself) have minions to blow horns for them.

I now propose that we do something entirely sensible and rational. Hama died a glooorious death being chopped into itty bitty pieces at the Hornburg. We should honor his memory by giving him a right good send off here! (I'm willing to negotiate on chopping him up into itty bitty pieces, but if there is any of that to be had I want in on it!)

++ Hama

[Gil-Galad]

++Perry-the-Winkle


Worst. Winkle. Ever.

[mormegil]

Kuru but the arguement inevitably be he was a master stratagist, and the simple fact is he is not! Like I said anybody could think of such a simple tactic, why even school yard bullies who generally have a rather low IQ (approaching that of primate levels) knows that basic concept.

[The Elf-warrior]

++Sauron

He is not called Base Master of Treachery for nothing.

[Glirdan]

Yes!! Vote Out Arwen!!

++arwen!!!!!

[Kuruharan]

Like I said anybody could think of such a simple tactic

Ahh...but in war the simplest practicable plan is usually the best.

It is sort of like engineering, you want to construct a plan that has as few points of potential failure as possible.

[Mirkgirl]

What did Merry do in the Scouring of the Shire? He blew his horn and devised the master stratagem of surrounding his foes with superior numbers. Had his foes had any level of intelligence he wouldn't have done anything and would have been massacered. The Hobbits for crying out loud, guerilla tactics would be much more suited for them then open combat yet Merry was too dim witted to even see this.

He would never be my captain.

The problem is he DIDNT have enemies of any intelligence and his strategy was a strategy against people of no intelligence. Why waste time with guerilla (which takes time and half the hobbits will loose heart just after the first meal). Strategy is only worth if its adequate to the situation.

Whom to vote out... hmmm... lets see exam in half an hour Ill be back after and vote according to my mood ;)

[Thinlómien]

What did Merry do that made him a hero?
...
Bullroarer, however, stopped and Orc invasion whereas didn't even kill a single orc in all of Pellenor fields let alone stop the entire invasion. How many orcs did Bullroarer kill himself? Not the entire orc army, I bet. So it wasn't only him who won the battle and stopped the invasion. It was the hobbit army, not him, though he was the leader and had a part in the victory. So you can't except Merry either to stop an invasion alone. He was not a leader in the Pelennor fields you speak of. If a single person gets glory from a it's almost always the leader. That was Bullroarer's case. So you condemn Merry because he was not in a leading position? Or the fact that Bullroarer is a leader makes him "better" in your opinion? Morm, you're a scary aristocrat... ;) Besides, helping to kill the Witch-King is far more important than finishing a few orcs, even of one of them was a big boss.

++Bullroarer

It would be a pity to waste valiant support. Thanks, Volo. :D

[mormegil]

He was not a leader in the Pelennor fields you speak of.

No he wasn't and he didn't do anything, like I said he has rewritten the history books and this 'noble' poking in the knee of the W-k wasn't what it seemed either the sad truth is he was trying to escape and got confused when he tripped and poked the W-k in the knee.

As for leadership ability, Merry couldn't lead a pack of dung beatles to a pile of oliphant dung!

[Bêthberry]

I don't doubt that that knife to the Witch-King thing was historical revisionism of the worst sort.

It smells, I tell you, it smells. It is so typically patronising towards women, the kind of little knife which worries away real, true heroine-ism. Ya give a woman a major role to play, a major act set up by prophecy and then ya weakens it by having a minion do the final cut. Really! Talk about misogyny and puffing up one's own self-importance! You pretend to say a woman can do the job and then in the final moments you undercut it all--no wonder the story later shows Eowyn succumbing so quickly to domesticity and traditional authority. I'm surprised that the story doesn't have Merry whistling for the eagles and riding them off to Mount Doom to save Sam and Frodo himself.

No, don't give me this hobbits are so loveable and great. They're parochial Little Englanders who want to keep their females home, hyped full of herblore and housework with lots of little kettles singing on the fire.

++ Merry