Treachery of Men Discussion/Planning Thread

[littlemanpoet]

Finishing Thorn is a job for either you Folwren, I'd say.

I'll help out with them wagons o' war.I take it you meant, "either me, OR Folwren, right? If so, I don't quite agree. Gwath, you're a full player in this now, so your ideas would be helpful too. So do you have any suggestions as to what would be the best way to proceed, Gwath or Foley?

[Gwathagor]

Ah. Yes, that is what I meant. As to the ideas...I'll ponder it.

[littlemanpoet]

The plot is hereby twisted one last time. Gwath, I suppose it's your turn. :p

[Folwren]

Good! I'm glad somebody's doing that. I've been wanting to do it the whole game!

[Gwathagor]

:eek::D

Whoa...that took me very much by surprise.

[Gwathagor]

LMP, would you do us the honor of writing Thorn's last earthly moment? I almost did, but thought you might like to. Besides, you'd do it better than I.

[littlemanpoet]

Very good post, Gwath! I will write for both Thorn and Ulfast within the next few days.

[Folwren]

Ah, Elempi! You almost made me cry. If I could rep you, I would...

-- Foley

[Gwathagor]

Same here (the repping, not the almost crying). I'm sorry to see Thorn go (though Jord isn't...).

[littlemanpoet]

Thank you. :)

And now for the final posts - I did some research and find no record in Tolkien whether Uldor or Ulfast or both survive the Battle and rule in Dorthonion, although I see that Brodda did. So we can have it that either one kills the other, or both kill each other, or neither, before the treason. Which way shall we go with it?

And Tathren has to appear before Caranthir; after that, I think this is concluded.

[Folwren]

Uldor at least can not be killed by his brothers' treachery...although I harbored that thought from the very beginning. The Silmarillion says Uldor was killed by Maglor during the battle. I'm sorry. I wanted him to be murdered by one of his brothers, too.

[littlemanpoet]

Shoot! I wish I had remembered that little fact when Uldor asked Thorn for a prohpecy. It would have made a scintillating once. Grrr.

Okay, we could have Ulfast attack Uldor but be killed instead. Thoughts?

[Folwren]

I could see that as being possible. I believe Uldor himself could take on Ulfast, even without any help from some guards. I always imagined Uldor the superior of all his brothers. :)

Maybe I'll post something for Uldor in the next couple days. School just started yesterday and I have classes all afternoon today and tomorrow, and I don't know yet what sort of homework load I will have. So we'll see.

-- Foley

[Folwren]

Good post, Elempi.

I never got that promised post up, did I? Well, well, I'll try harder this week.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

I have edited my last post, securing the end of Ulfast's life into the bargain. This goes as some kind of odd accomplishment, for I have succeeded in killing off all three of my characters. :p

[Gwathagor]

This goes as some kind of odd accomplishment, for I have succeeded in killing off all three of my characters. :p

I am in awe...but mostly of the fact that you even had THREE characters to begin with.;)

[littlemanpoet]

I am in awe...but mostly of the fact that you even had THREE characters to begin with.;)

Oh, I don't know. I was originally asked to play that Elf lord (can't even remember his name anymore), then I got a notion of a prophet kind of character I wanted to write, and then Celuien had to leave and therefore someone was needed to handle Ulfast, so I volunteered. So it goes. :rolleyes:

[Folwren]

Oh, I don't know. I was originally asked to play that Elf lord (can't even remember his name anymore), then I got a notion of a prophet kind of character I wanted to write, and then Celuien had to leave and therefore someone was needed to handle Ulfast, so I volunteered. So it goes. :rolleyes:

Yeah...pretty much. :p I'm glad you joined.

But now...now you're this much closer to leaving the Downs! That's not what bothers me so much. I wish I would have posted and then you might not have rushed at the end. I was looking forward to a proper fight between Ulfast and Uldor. Oh well. Serves me right for not sitting down and writing something.

[littlemanpoet]

Yeah...pretty much. :p I'm glad you joined.

But now...now you're this much closer to leaving the Downs! That's not what bothers me so much. I wish I would have posted and then you might not have rushed at the end. I was looking forward to a proper fight between Ulfast and Uldor. Oh well. Serves me right for not sitting down and writing something.

Sorry about that. I guess Ulfast gets credit for taking the initiative, at any rate. :p

[Gwathagor]

Ladies and gentlemen, please step over to the story-thread and check out the latest installment of (what has effectively become) the Gwath and Foley show.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I have been waiting for another opportunity to post.... :cool:

Actually since the main hall is probably where Tathren laid out Lachrandir's body I should post for him having left the area temporarily since I imagine he should not have witnessed Ulfast's death.

[Folwren]

Ladies and gentlemen, please step over to the story-thread and check out the latest installment of (what has effectively become) the Gwath and Foley show.

Scarcely that, even. It's practically entirely abandoned.

Let's get Tathren bundled off to Caranthir with Uldor's answer - that is, the Ulfings will fight for him. And then we'll get a post up about Uldor finally giving Jord her last interview, saying that he will stay true to Morgoth and in the end, fight for him...

And then, we can finish up with either one epilogue or an epilogue for everybody.

That being said, I can't post right now. I will try to in the near future, but school studies and homework and then other RL business has been weighing me down. I'll make a concerted effort to post this week.

[Mithalwen]

Okies - lets get this wrapped up. I would like to a post for Lachrandir's pyre, in whgich all sorts of winding up can be incorporated. I will try and get hold of Ang and see if he will do Caranthir otherwise I may elide that sticky interview. :D.

[Gwathagor]

If Ang is unavailable, I'd love to write Caranthir.

[Mithalwen]

I haven't heard but if he doesn't get respond that would be fab :D

[Lalaith]

What is happening? My own role is now over but I would like to see the story end...

[Gwathagor]

Thanks for the reminder, we need to finish this up.

[Gwathagor]

Folwren, I think you probably ought to post next. :)

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I have been ill and everything has been neglected. Will amend now I seem to be hale and hearty once more.

[Folwren]

You're probably rigth, Gwath, but I've been practically swallowed alive by school. I will try to get posting here in the near future.

[Gwathagor]

You're probably rigth, Gwath, but I've been practically swallowed alive by school.

Me too. :rolleyes:





Hey! Phil Keaggy! He did a concert here just a couple of weeks ago.

[Gwathagor]

So we've now got a whole pile of dead bodies on our hands. Maybe we should skip forward a day or two and deal with the corpses through retrospective narration? Just to keep things moving...?

[Mithalwen]

Shall I post Lachrandir's pyre then?

[Gwathagor]

Terrific!

[piosenniel]

Shall I post Lachrandir's pyre then?

Yes, please do.

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We started this game 2 years ago. I think the storyline is nearly wrapped up and I'd like to see the final posts put in place in the next 4 weeks - by the 14th of December, if possible.

Noinkling and I will do a composite epilog post which will wrap up our characters involvement in the game.

Once Mithalwen's post about Lachrandir's pyre is on board, what else needs to be finished for the other characters? Gwathagor? Folwren?

~*~ piosenniel, Game Moderator

[Folwren]

Two years? Wow, you're right. Sorry. :(

I'll look at the game and see what needs to be done. I don't remember right now exactly. I'll get back to you.

-- Folwren

[Mithalwen]

Apart from the pyre, Tathren will have to go back to Caranthir I suppose. I have chased Ang to see if he will do this otherwise Gwath has volunteered.

Only loose end ... is the loot Lachrandir brought .. I think that still needs to be handed over.

[piosenniel]

Anguirel made it fairly clear to me when he left that he would not participate further in this game. So, Gwathagor, if you would, please take on the character of Caranthir.

[Gwathagor]

I'd love to.

[Folwren]

Cool. Everything looks great.

I wrote a post by hand yesterday when I couldn't sleep (because it was running around in my head) so sometime this morning when I've got my homework finished, I'll type it up and post it. It should hopefully move us smoothly into the next stage of the story - that is, sending Tathren off with the message to Caranthir and sending Jord off with her answer to Morgoth.

-- Folwren

[Mithalwen]

Ok well I am going to try to do Tathren's pyre for Lachers now - Library computer willing.... 30 minute doses is not conducive. However fingers crossed I should mangage though I shall probably have to tidy a little tomorrow. Some how I never seem to pick up all errors on the same day I type :( .

[Mithalwen]

OK I will post the actual pyre tomorrow as I have a farewell dinner tonight (unexpectedly moved from Fri). I had thought that I would have set the pyre at nightfall but now I wonder if Iwill have the lad work through the night and contribute to Foleys fiery dawn.... :cool:

[Folwren]

Hi, ya'll. Our time is ticking away, and I'd like to see this game wrapped up nicely before Pio closes it. Gwathagor, are you still around?

I may post in the next day or so. I'm not sure what my schedule looks like, and right now, I am sick. :( So, I'll write when I can.

-- Foley

[Mithalwen]

Sorry for the delay - my dad is in hospital so I have been there rather than cyber cafe / library :( can't write properly standing up at shared use computer at lunchtime. Should be able to get my save filled tomorrow one way or another.

A

[Folwren]

Sorry for the delay - my dad is in hospital so I have been there rather than cyber cafe / library :( can't write properly standing up at shared use computer at lunchtime. Should be able to get my save filled tomorrow one way or another.

A

That's alright, Mith. I hope your dad does alright and gets better soon.

I will probably wait until you fill your save before I post.

-- Foley

[Mithalwen]

That's alright, Mith. I hope your dad does alright and gets better soon.

I will probably wait until you fill your save before I post.

-- Foley
well I will try to do it now since he won't be discharged til tomorrow (his test yesterday came back clear so we are waiting for the consultant's say so - I imagine if they want to do more tests it will be as an outpatient ... so I have an hour before visiting.

[Mithalwen]

Save filled. I will proof read next time I have the chance (maybe tomorrow or Monday)

Is anyone else going to need Tathren other than Gwathy for the showdown with Caranthir... ? If so let me know since my time online is likely to be limited but I will make this top priority. Maybe it will be over by Christmas....

[Folwren]

Okay. Well, I've sent Tathren on his way and Uldor's off to find Jord. Gwathagor, I figure you can write about that. You know what Uldor has to say and it will be interesting to see Jord's point of view.

What needs to be done:
Uldor needs to tell Jord his decision.
Caranthir and Tathren must have their meeting and discussion (I don't know what you all are planning for that, so surprise me)
And then everyone must write their epilogues.

This look good? Can we get it done in a week? Pio actually gave us until the 14th of this month. I don't know if she told anyone else that, but I think that's what I remember being in the PM she sent. I'm almost possitive (though I could be wrong) that with the end thus in sight, we'll give us a grace week or two. (She's given us a grace month or six or seven or twelve, if you think about it.;) )

-- Folwren

[Gwathagor]

Post up. I'm very busy this week, but I'll post again if I can.

[Gwathagor]

Say, Mithalwen - I guess you and I ought to hammer out the concluding conversation between Tathren and Caranthir. Unless you want to do it PM-style, I'll just wait until you get Tathren back to Caranthir and then I can respond. Either way works for me, though.

[Folwren]

Alrighty! I'm going to see if I can rally the players of this game together for the last gasp and finish it off.

Gwath and Mith, I sent you both a PM...

Once you write the Caranthir and Tathren meeting, everyone can begin getting their Epilogues on.

I thought we might want to collaborate here on this thread to figure out who's all going to be posting a last post and what you plan to include. Should we stop before marching to war, or should we go all the way into battle and there some of us find our ends? I know that Ulwarth and Uldor both died in battle, so I could finish my character's off entirely if we so decided.

I think Anguirel's initial plan was to just take them to the edge of war. If that is all we end up doing, I could conceivably make the last post of the game with Uldor leading his troops off towards the battle.

Or we could not plan anything in particular and just get the posts up as we can manage.

I'd like to know who's still planning on writing something so that we don't end things prematurely.

-- Folwren

[Noinkling]

Quick question - how long has it been since the day of the hunt???

I'll do a quick wrap-up of what's been happening for Dag's family (with pio's kind permission :-) ) and then she'll do the epilog.

Thanks to you players for bringing this round to a good conclusion!!!!!

[Folwren]

I believe that this is just the day after the hunt. Things really came to a fast culmination. :eek:

The wrapping up of your story does not have to be done in a short time span. I don't think that Uldor is going to be leading his people off in two days. It'll be some time, so if whatever you're planning on happening needs more time than just one day, then take whatever time you need. (Game time, not RL time, if that makes sense.)

[Mithalwen]

Credit in great part to Foley who has held it together despite everything.

Gwathy, I have got Tathren more or less home. I literally ran out of time before I could get him through the gates - well I did but it was one of those posts that took a disproportioante amount of time because it got better the more I edited out and the exchange with the sentinels was consequently too weak. I should be around more than usual for the next few days so if you want to discuss the interview either here or on PM that should work. I don't mind if you want to pick Tathren up from where he is now or if you want me to make a post that gets him to his audience with Caranthir... poor lad is a bag of nerves and I don't expect you to be gentle with him. :cool:

Once that is over I will do a final post for him but the nature of it will depend on where we draw the line.

[Gwathagor]

Terrific! I'll try to post for Caranthir this week.

[Gwathagor]

There! How's that? I hope I didn't take too many liberties with Tathren.

[Gwathagor]

Do we now just need to write epilogues for our characters? Or are there a few things to wrap up first?

[Folwren]

I have nothing to wrap up for my characters, beside the epilogue. Pio and Noinkling? What about you two?

That was a great post, Gwathagor! I really enjoyed it. Caranthir's haughtiness to Tathren almost made me feel not as guilty about my character's evil treachery.

-- Folwren

[piosenniel]

Straight to epilogue will be fine for me.

Noinkling - I'll wait until you've filled your save. :)

[Mithalwen]

There! How's that? I hope I didn't take too many liberties with Tathren.

Wow.... that wasn't what I expected but :D I never realised the lad could muster so much spirit. I think you have changed his fate... but I really like it.

Thank you!

[Gwathagor]

Wow.... that wasn't what I expected but :D I never realised the lad could muster so much spirit. I think you have changed his fate... but I really like it.

Oh? What had you expected to happen? (I'm glad you like it.)

[Mithalwen]

Oh I don''t quite know - I suppose I thought he would be a more complete lamb to the slaughter rather than mentally giving Caranthir err the Agincourt salut :D. I really like it and it works ... and I loved the quote from Lachrandir. Really wonderful ... the boy is feistier than his "mother" realised. I may have to let him live ;)

[Mithalwen]

Has there been a decision about where we are cutting off? I dont have a strong preference but if I know I can probably finish Tathren off (so to speak) quite quickly now that Gwathagor has illuminated his path...

[Folwren]

I think we're cutting off as people ride off to battle. I'm thinking my post will end with the troops, having emassed, leaving the settlement and heading off to war.

-- Folwren

[Gwathagor]

That sounds great!

I'm not sure what to do with Jord yet. Maybe I should see if Durelin had anything particular in mind for her character.

[Folwren]

I posted my final post.

If anyone else wants to write a last post, please try to get it onboard as soon as possible.

-- Folwren

[Gwathagor]

Great!

[Mithalwen]

Gah sorry I have it drafted but keep procrastinating - def up tomorrow... sorry

[piosenniel]

I've closed the RPG thread in preparation for moving it to Elvenhome. Has everyone finished with it to their satisfaction?

Noinkling and I have decided not to write an epilog for our characters, but leave it as is.

~*~ Pio

[Gwathagor]

If I came up with an epilogue for Jord quite soon, would you be able to add it on?

[piosenniel]

If you post it here, I'd be glad to tack it on.

[Mithalwen]

Loyalty is a strange thing. Some inspire it, and hold it through the bonds of admiration and affection. Others command it through ties of blood or duty. To treat it as a commodity to be purchased is a dangerous policy. Such allegiance may be transferred to the highest bidder and commerce is an activity of the rational mind which is liable to rate self interest above that of the paymaster. The ties of the heart are less easily severed.

Tathren knew that Lachrandir had been utterly loyal to Caranthir but his death had earned only his lord’s disdain. He remembered his father whose loyalty to his brother had led him to exile and slaughter. He would have followed Lachrandir even to the doors of Angband but his loyalty to the House of Feanor had died with his master So he did not protest or even murmur when Midsummer neared and Caranthir had forbidden those not yet of full years and stature from the ranks of his army. What in another leader might have seemed an act of compassion seemed a sneer on the lips of the Feanorian. If, as seemed to Tathren, Caranthir scanned his face for a sign of dissent, he found it not. The boy deemed merely by living he could in a small way spite the great lord

He remembered with foreboding the words of Mandos that had coursed through his mind as he had knelt beside his master, sensing they neared fulfilment. His kindred would reap a harvest of grief but the seeds had been sown long ago on a distant shore. He knew he might find death without going to war, that the doom of the Noldor could not be eluded forever - but this was not his time. Not yet

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DONE ~*~ Pio

[piosenniel]

Gwathagor

Did you still want to do an epilog for Jord?

~*~ Pio

[Nogrod]

Just to avoid any improbable misunderstandings.

Embla and Fastarr walked away from the story quite nicely and need no epilogue.

They walked away from the vicinity of the Ulfing town that morning after a generous breakfast and disappeared into the woods never to be seen or heard again around that part of the Middle-Earth.

Whatever happened to them is not told in this story.Unless Lalaith has second thoughts on it of course...

[Gwathagor]

Gwathagor

Did you still want to do an epilog for Jord?

~*~ Pio

I'm sorry; yes, I do, and I'll try to do it soon.

[Mithalwen]

Before this thread is closed, I would like to congratulate those who kept this RPG going despite everything and allowed it finally to reach harbour - a remarkable feat of endurance against the odds. And I would heartily apologise for being part of the problems rather than the solutions. I found this one incredibly difficult so thank you for letting me back to finish if not complete Tathren's story :) .

[Folwren]

I had no idea people were posting on this thread! I've been far too busy and haven't been keeping up as I should.

I've had a lot of fun writing in this game. Really. Uldor was a fascinating character to write. Plus, I had excellent fellow-players.

Mith, great final post. :) I would rep you, but it informs me that I can not until I spread more reputation around. Just goes to show how little I acknowledge people's good posts. :rolleyes:
Hey, is that line, "And where does the power come from, to see the race to its end? From within." from Chariots of Fire?

Gwath, still looking forward to seeing yours!

[Gwathagor]

Yeah yeah yeah. I'll do it, I'll do it.

[Mithalwen]

Hey, is that line, "And where does the power come from, to see the race to its end? From within." from Chariots of Fire?


You are allowed ot do other stuff apart from the downs you know! Sometimes ....

Oh I'll considered myself repped :D THough I dun deserve it... I must admit that I have been a bit slack since the system changed but that is in large part due to technical problems - often the windows won't open :(

Yes, I havent seen that great film for years but it is seemingly quite memorable since a suprising amount of dialogue has stuck in my brain. Iwas very disappointed to discover that the opening scenre which is set in a town I lived for a while was actually filmed somewhere else ..

[piosenniel]

~ Finis ~

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