WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

It comes out of nowhere. You haven't even mentioned me so far the whole day, except when you founded your suspicion of Brinniel on my, apparently wolvish, comments. Your explanations for the vote consist exclusively of Day One stuff, you seem to have intentionally ignored what I've said on Day Two.
Altogether this is, I'm afraid to say it, very wolvish.
Exactly and that was why I reffered to my Day 1 suspicion of you. . . Plus it was a matter of me having to vote with no real top-suspect, so I chose a few people and read through most of their post and that was the best case I saw.

When you are pretty much lost (as i did say I was) and are forced to vote so long before deadline then these things happen.

I still think the case is alright though. . . . I grant you that it is not the best in the world, but definitly alright.


Edit:

Sorry I miss read Mac's post and therefor my reply might seem weird.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Your Day two stuff was of no interest, nothing at all was worth mentioning and that does not mean you are innocent. That is just how it is when I read posts, I only find interesting stuff in like 10%.

Interesting = Things that points towards guilt or innocens

[Anguirel]

I decided on a novel tactic today. Read but don't talk. Not my kind of thing, but I'm dabbling with it as an experiment.

Would a wolf-Sauce go so all out on a duel as this one he's having with Saruman? I don't quite believe so. I think that in so far as one can generalise this particular caterer's style, he's more vehement (as he's being at the moment) when innocent, but likes to store up some credibility when a wolf by not committing himself too drastically (though usually pretty drastically).

What I'm getting at is that Sauce, like me on occasion, is very prone to duelling with innocents. That's what seems to me to be going on here, and the rest of you seem to agree because you're striving to explore other options, e.g. Rune and Mac, avoiding the duellists.

But if one of them is guilty I'd still plump for Sauce.

My rationale yesterday was challenged, especially by Volo and Sauce. The thing is that many werewolves love to snuggle in on a consensus. It was therefore interesting to see exactly who attacked Volo before everyone was turned off by his revelation - and why they did. I thought Brinniel's actions looked tentative and out of the blue so I zeroed in on her.

I will probably help lynch Rune today, as he's my main suspect currently in the spotlight.

I'm feeling a bit helpless to be honest. About the Gifted roles - I imagine we can expect more combo-madness. To think what a Ranger-Assassin could have achieved...in many ways a role I'd have loved to possess. Incredibly frustrating. Ah well.

[Kath]

Ooh suspicion, was wondering when that was going to turn up. I suppose I'd best defend myself somewhat. Let's see.

That thing I was going to mention but never did was purely because I changed my mind, and no it was nothing to do with you or Aganzir. Why should it have been? Was there something on Day 1 between the two of you I should have noticed? If you want to know what it was I was going to mention it was a point about Legate that I have since brought up I think, the one about it looking like he was trying to get Gifted's to reveal. I have been in too many villages where Day 1 discussion is dominated by that argument and didn't want to have the same one again.

As for your comment about Mith, I had come back and flicked through the posts before making a short one of my own before I went off to write a mammoth LJ post. If it feels plastic it's probably because it was written in very little time and almost in draft form, as I was noting down points as I went along.

Um, I don't entirely understand the thing you're saying about Legate and Aganzir. I didn't think that Aganzir was going to die, as far as I recall she didn't even have any votes.

Stylewise I wouldn't bother concentrating on my past games. My style changes constantly depending on how much time I have and how I'm feeling more than role. Yes, I do praise people. I like to see others making good points (mostly 'cause it means I don't have to come up with them myself!) and if someone says something I agree with or I think good then I praise them for it.

As for Rune, I keep attacking him because I think he's suspicious. He has still not said anything constructive. He claims it is because everyone keeps jumping on him. OK, so defend yourself once and move on. We'll jump on you less if you show us something useful.

Now, I know that it is difficult to do, but I really think this double lynch idea could work for us. The more Volo speaks the more I move into the camp that says maybe, just maybe, he isn't what he says he is. I would love for him to be a known innocent, and what luck we have in that we can prove it without killing him! Is anyone interested in this? If not I'll be quiet about it but it doesn't do us any harm and it may do us a lot of good.

So few have spoken so far toDay. It's worrying really, and especially bad that Legate is away as he's a strong suspect to quite a few people. Let's just hope more turn up soon. I'll be around for a while yet.

[Anguirel]

Come to think of it Kath, maybe, just maybe I ought to suspect you...typically low-key but thorough appearances...very, very consistent attacks which is a way of being less helpful than you seem...you would be especially deadly if combined by some freak combination of the stars with that sweetie Brinniel.

I'm going to do some more reading. Urrrgh...

[Anguirel]

No, scratch that Kath, I do think you're innocent. That double-lynch with Tolkien plan seems to me too off-piste and bizarre to fit with the profile I gave you above (essentially that of a stereotypical Kathwolf). You are using your head to greater extent than I.

Now where is that Diamond? I think Audrey must have a case of ennui again. Can't say I blame her, but it is a convenient pose and if she awakes from her languor occasionally to nail decent citizens like Boro then it looks fairly diabolical.

May well vote for her.

[Kath]

Oh yes, and I was going to look at the Boro voters from yesterDay.

Volo - began the anti-Boro thing by saying that he was acting un-Boro-ish, a point thought off by Sauce and I do agree, as Boro hadn't had the time needed to act like himself.

Legate - picks up on Volo's point and proceeds to expand upon it, pretty much condemning Boro within one post. Thinks there is a connection between Sauce and Boro, with Boro basically covering Sauce by putting the attention on Ang and Legate. Odd logic indeed. He says that by not really mentioning him (i.e. Legate) it will make people look more at him, but then he says that by not mentioning Sauce it will make people think he's innocent. Very twisted reasoning there. He then makes a pretty cutting analysis of Rune, but even though he finishes by deciding that he's suspicious he still goes and votes Boro, without the latter having been mentioned in the previous post.

Aganzir - was suspicious of Boro due to his vote for himself, which is reasonable. We who are used to Nilp don't really bat an eyelid at such antics anymore, but for someone who hasn't seen that particular tactic before it would certainly get your attention. Voted for Boro because none of her other suspects looked likely to be lynched.

Diamond - pops in at the last minute and votes Boro to save Legate. It would be a very risky thing to do if both she and Legate were wolves, but it's certainly not unheard of.

Rune - switches to Boro at the very last minute for, uh, no reason! Self-preservation he says, but he wasn't in danger. The flurry of last minute voting was all around Boro and Legate. Perhaps a wolvish Rune just making sure a wolvish Legate stays safe? Again risky, but possible.

So, who of these could be wolves?

Well we know my thoughts on Volo and Rune already and what I want to do about it so I'll leave that be, though that vote for Boro just makes the latter look even more suspicious to me.

Sadly Legate isn't with us toDay so there's going to be no new information to base anything off. Based on the posts of the past 2 Days though I'd say he could well be a wolf.

I'm still thinking Aganzir is innocent. Her posts, the tone used and the content, all of it strikes me as innocent.

I'm not sure on Diamond, haven't really seen enough of her. Since I think both Rune and Legate are wolves I'm not sure I can consider her one. I mean, two wolves in this bandwagon is a lot, three is just insane! In addition, the vote made sense. When she turned up it was a choice between Boro and Legate and she voted for the one she thought the least useful. Since that's what I'm basing a lot of my argument against Rune on I can hardly argue against it.

So ... double lynch anyone? 'Cause I really, really want some hard evidence as to Volo's role. If he hadn't revealed he'd be on my list as a wolf anyway with his posts.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have lost faith in this and in my chances of saving my self, therefor I will give Kath something useful.

I was your last line of defence! I am your Ranger/spy

My role was the one of a normal Ranger, but I could also chose to spy on people during night. I would only be told whether those i spyed on was ordos, special role or if it was my twin role!

Lommy of course was my twin role and that was the reason for my outburst. . .It was very tragic-comic that I chose to spy on her rather than protect her that night.

Now I also had my first spying and I spottet a person that has a special role, I am a bit torn on whether I should reveal it as it could be our seer.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am going to my fathers now so I will not be able to respond for at least 30 min. probably more.

It is unfortunate, but that is how it must be.

[Volo]

Who has the special role, I don't frankly believe you.

[Kath]

Well, that just sucks. You have my apologies Rune, guess the old Gifted/wolf similarities were catching me out again. Of course this could be one heck of a trick, since Lommy is dead she can't deny or confirm this. Oh, and as to whether you should reveal who you spied on, do you see wolves and Gifteds differently or not? If not then don't reveal. We need the Seer too badly.

But you know what;

++ VOLO

It's killing me not knowing. If I get no support I'll retract, most likely to Legate as he was the one I found next most suspicious after Rune.

[Brinniel]

Oh my. :eek: I was certainly not expecting this.

Now, of course, you could be lying, but then I remember this narration:

Two trailers were watched by unseen eyes that night; but for what purpose I cannot say.
As twin roles, this line starts to make sense. I was wondering why it said "two trailers," but now I see that perhaps this could hint one trailer was watched by Lommy, and the other by Rune.

I was planning to vote for Rune, but I'm not sure what to do now. I need to take another look through the thread. Unfortunately, I need to vote within the hour as I have to be at work a half an hour before the deadline...

[Volo]

I don't fully trust Rune as that role could have been easily invented, and I'll even prove why I don't think that there is a role like that.

I'm not a the Reincarnation or whatever.

I'm the Medium! That is a mixture of a Seer and well, the Reincarnation or whatever.

I get a phrase from LotR from Rikae each Night. The phrase refers to a Downer and his/her role.

It needs some thinking to understand the "riddles", so it isn't 100% Seer information.

That is why I attacked Aganzir so badly at first. But then I rethought the phrase and decided that she isn't a Wolf.

I got a phrase about Legate the next Night. He is not a Wolf!

The Reincarnation part is that I have (only :() one extra life. If I'm lynched or killed I lose my extra life and become just a crippled Seer.

I hope you believe this. And I think that Mac is a Wolf if Rune talks true. I will not vote Rune, but his role is strange because even my Seerdom is not as good as the basic Seer's!

[Macalaure]

Even though I don't entirely trust Rune, I guess it is now time to look for an alternative lynching (especially since I don't want that alternative to be my humble self).

Saucepan Man, Brinniel, Kath and Anguirel are all more or less innocent in my book (though it's not impossible that there is still one cunning wolf among the four). I don't want one of them to be lynching toDay.

I can't say a lot about Shasta and xyzzy. I would vote one of them in order to save myself, but it's quite a shot into the dark.

Legate - I'm not convinced of his guilt, but I would give it a try. It's a bit mean, though, since he's not here toDay.

Gil - As I said, I think him to be wolf and would truly like to see him gone, now that I can't have Rune.

Aganzir - Might be guilty, might be innocent. I'm a bit torn about her, but in the end I could live with voting her.

Diamond - There is very little to go on, but the little that we have does point somewhat towards her guilt. A semi-shot-into-the-dark.


edit: x-ed with Volo.

[Aganzir]

In one trailer, a Downer flipped randomly through a copy of LOTR, then, finding something, sat back and frowned, deep in thought.
Well, I think that's more believable than the Reincarnation thing only. :rolleyes:

Now it should be safe for Rune to tell who he had spied (if we assume there's no more special roles, which is probable). If it's not Volo, then we should have a wolf there.
If I understood correctly, Rune doesn't know any ordos yet?

[Kath]

Uh huh. Two revelations in a matter of minutes. But if Volo is who he claims to be then Rune, feel free to reveal who you spied on. I think I'm right in thinking Volo Seer would be the last person with a special role who is on our side?

But really, I don't like this revelation of Volo's. Firstly his death doesn't do him any harm at all and now suddenly he becomes pretty much ordinary if he's lynched or attacked? Good way to get out of being lynched for your role to be proven. It's a bit fishy. And the role is so similar to the lynch Seer idea he came up with. Maybe Rikae took some ideas from him, it's possible after all as roles tend to stay around, but I don't know. I just don't like it.

I want to see what Rune says when he comes back.

[Volo]

No, I don't lose my dream skill when I'm first "killed". But I can't choose of whom I dream.

I'll trust Rune for now, because I don't think we have any better choice. He'll die next Night anyway if he's who he claims to be. I'll still have two dreams from this moment and I hope that they help us to survive.

I'll change my vote as soon as Rune reveals the Wolf as there are only three Gifteds if Rikae didn't cheat with her narrations.

EDIT: And Kath goes up on my suspect list.

[Brinniel]

Oh gosh... :eek:

I can't say I 100% believe you Volo, still I think it's more likely you are innocent than wolf.

My second most suspicious character was Legate, and now you say he's innocent. Though we cannot be completely positive, as there is always a possiblity you misinterpreted the riddle. How sure are you?

I'll change my vote as soon as Rune reveals the Wolf as there are only three Gifteds if Rikae didn't cheat with her narrations.
I wouldn't say that. Don't forget this:

When the 13 remaining members of the cast and crew discovered the wolves' handiwork in the morning, all of them wept openly...but five were gloating in their hearts.
I'm pretty sure this still means we have a cobbler on our hands.

Okay, I'm really not sure who to vote for, but I'm thinking it may be either, Mac, Diamond, or Gil.

I have to leave for work in five minutes, so I cannot wait for Rune to reveal the special role.

[Aganzir]

I hope you believe this. And I think that Mac is a Wolf if Rune talks true. I will not vote Rune, but his role is strange because even my Seerdom is not as good as the basic Seer's!
Rune would not have voted for Mac so comfortably if he couldn't be sure whether he was a Gifted or a Wolf.
The others he kept mentioning often were Gil and Brinniel, so I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was something special (wolf or cobbler). If it was not Volo who he had spied... :rolleyes: Rune, where are you when we need you?

edit: adding quote:Of these Mac is the one I am most comfortable voting for today, Gil I will give a chance to prove him self and Brinniel I need to watch for a bit.I think this points to Brin, but maybe it's better to wait for Rune to come.

[Brinniel]

Okay, here I go:

Mac is starting to look more and more suspicious to me, but I'm still not sure of his guilt. Just because he suspected Rune, doesn't mean he's a wolf, I mean a lot of us suspected Rune. Though he's definitely not in the clear. Still, I'm short on time here and I would really like to take a closer look at him before voting for him. I'm leaving him alone for now and will consider him toMorrow.

Diamond: I find her voting a bit odd and there's something not quite right about her, but I could be very wrong. I don't have enough to vote her.

Lastly, is Gil-Galad. I don't like how quickly he jumped onto Mac after he said he suspected Rune. And if Mac's a wolf, it could be a wolf-on-wolf vote. He was loud last time as a wolf, so he may be taking a different strategy. And a quiet wolf is a dangerous one.

++Gil-Galad

Ack, I'm gonna be late! Sorry I have to go so soon...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Sorry it took a while longer, I got caught up playing with my baby-brother in the garden and then there was supper.

anyways it is correct that I know of no ordos, I only spied on Lommy who was my "twin role" which ment that if she protectet or spied on me we would be able to PM. . .

the other person who has a special role is Brinniel, what it is I do not know, but lets hope she is a cobbler or wolf.

[The Saucepan Man]

Apologies for my late return, but a certain important football match went into extra time. ‘Twas the correct result though. :D

Well, it has been a rather revelatory afternoon. And a rather unnerving one for me, if the claims are true, since they render both of my prime suspects innocent.

I am rather dubious of these claims, since a Seer with an additional life combined with two Rangers (albeit with auxiliary roles) seems rather excessive, in game balance terms. However, I would guess that at least one is true. But, it’s rather late in the Day now and I don’t think that we can take the risk that one is not telling the truth. As Volo notes, we will most likely find out toNight whether Rune’s claim is true.

Which means that I have to find an alternative candidate, and quick. Aganzir and Brinniel were the only other two that I found vaguely suspicious, although I would be prepared to put in a vote for Gil or Xzyzzy, on the basis that we are not getting much from them, one way or the other.

One thing, though, before I make up my mind,

I got a phrase about Legate the next Night. He is not a Wolf!How clear is the phrase? Would you mind sharing it?

Edit: Crossed with Rune

[Aganzir]

Let's really hope there were no more gifted roles.

++Brinniel

[The Saucepan Man]

the other person who has a special role is Brinniel, what it is I do not know, but lets hope she is a cobbler or wolf.Hmm, this makes things difficult as I do not entirely trust Rune's claim. And can we be sure that there are only three Gifteds?

I am reasonably satisfied on the latter, and I am inclined to take a risk on the former, especially as I have found Brin, and particularly her voting, suspicious.

[Anguirel]

I don't know what to think about Volo's story. On the one hand it's getting convoluted and ridiculous, and surely no mod could indulge in such flummery! On the other hand the last time I decided that, in Diamond's WereDuck game, it cost me very dear.

Volo, could you reveal the riddles (if you're allowed to)? Surely a few heads will be better than one on that point.

OK. So, I trust Rune and Volo, because of the very ludicrousness of their alibis. You couldn't make them up.

As a result of their various tidbits of information, I suspect Sauce more than I did before (if Legate really is innocent) and also Kath whose double-lynching scheme now looks evil rather than praiseworthy. But more than either...

++DIAMOND. We all seemed agreed there was a wolf in the Boro bandwagon, and if Saruman and Rune are out it has to her. And I suspect her anyway. And she hasn't been bantering about wigs enough. What do we pay her for?

[Volo]

Legate: answered Radagast. "And he told me to say that if you feel the need, he will help; but you must seek his aid at once, or it will be too late."

Aganzir: “There was a little corner of his mind that was still his own, and light came through it.”


I'm 99,99% sure that both are innocent.

--Rune Son of Bjarne

++Brinniel

And Legate SMSd me that he'll vote for *surprisesurprise* Macal-
++Brinniel

Xd with everything since Aganzir.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Hmm, this makes things difficult as I do not entirely trust Rune's claim. And can we be sure that there are only three Gifteds?

I am reasonably satisfied on the latter, and I am inclined to take a risk on the former, especially as I have found Brin, and particularly her voting, suspicious.
The very reason I did not reveal Brinniels name at first is that I have no idea what kind of roles has been thrown into this game.

anyways who are we voting for ?

I have no freaking idea about what would be wisest.

[Macalaure]

Seems like the gifteds are taking over now. :D

I guess the only way to find out whether Rune is what he claims he is, is to lynch Brinniel. But I will wait with my vote until Brinniel had a chance to speak.

[Aganzir]

I doubt she'll be back in time.I have to leave for work in five minutes, so I cannot wait for Rune to reveal the special role.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

well, lynching me would also answer the question. . . .but I am not sure I would like that.

[The Saucepan Man]

But I will wait with my vote until Brinniel had a chance to speak.I am not sure that she's coming back. If she does, and depending on what she says, I shall retract.

++Brinniel

And, if Brinniel is a Wolf, I shall be looking very closely at Anguirel toMorrow, given that he 'safely' voted for her yesterDay, but has declined to do so toDay.

[Macalaure]

I doubt she'll be back in time.
Ack! You're right.

In that case, I fear there is nothing else left for me to do:

++Brinniel


May swift death find you, if you lead us wrong, Rune! :p

[Kath]

Very well:

-- VOLO

++ BRINNIEL

I see no point in not trusting Rune. If he is lying to us Brinniel's lynch will prove it and we can kill him tomorrow, along with someone else as his guilt will be proven. If he is telling the truth then either a wolf or a cobbler will be killed, so long as we are sure that there are no more positive special roles.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I will feel like such an *** if Brinn turns out to be on our side, íf I had said who I had spied on earlier at least she would have had a chance to talk. . . .

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

anyways

++Brinniel


I wonder how people would have reacted if I had voted for Mac just now. . .

[The Saucepan Man]

I will feel like such an *** if Brinn turns out to be on our side, íf I had said who I had spied on earlier at least she would have had a chance to talk. . . .That somehow makes me feel better about you, and this endeavour.

Psst, Kath, you have to retract your earlier vote for Volo.

Diamond: ++Mac (Mac-1)
Volo: ++Rune (Mac-1, Rune-1)
Shasta: ++Rune (Mac-1, Rune-2)
Gil: ++Mac (Mac-2, Rune-2)
Kath: ++Volo (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1)
Brinniel: ++Gil (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1)
Aganzir: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-1)
Anguirel: ++Diamond (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-1, Diamond-1)
Volo: --Rune, ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-2, Diamond-1)
Legate: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-3, Diamond-1)
SpM: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-4, Diamond-1)
Mac: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-5, Diamond-1)
Kath: --Volo, ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-6, Diamond-1)

[The Saucepan Man]

Correction (to tkae account fo Kath's retraction and Rune's vote):

Diamond: ++Mac (Mac-1)
Volo: ++Rune (Mac-1, Rune-1)
Shasta: ++Rune (Mac-1, Rune-2)
Gil: ++Mac (Mac-2, Rune-2)
Kath: ++Volo (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1)
Brinniel: ++Gil (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1)
Aganzir: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-1)
Anguirel: ++Diamond (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-1, Diamond-1)
Volo: --Rune, ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-2, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-2, Diamond-1)
Legate: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-3, Diamond-1)
SpM: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-4, Diamond-1)
Mac: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Volo-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-5, Diamond-1)
Kath: --Volo, ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-6, Diamond-1)
Rune: ++Brinniel (Mac-2, Rune-1, Gil-1, Brinniel-7, Diamond-1)

[Anguirel]

Oh for Eru's sake Sauce, put a sock in the Inquisition routine. I voted before everyone apparently decided that Brinniel was the answer to all their troubles. I'm quite happy to see her die to. I'd even change my vote, but I'm keeping it back in case of more unknown unknowns...and an Elf-lord does not kow-tow to the herd instinct.

Bar foul play, Volo must be telling the truth. That role is a brilliant idea, shame it probably can't be recycled for another game. As for Rune, the tragi-comic circumstances stuff about Lommy convinces me.

Wonder if our wolves are Sauce, Kath, Brinniel and Diamond. Would make a certain amount of sense...

[Rikae]

Well, clearly a more realistic sound effect was needed for Deagol's choking and gurgling while being strangled; and who better to produce it than the Wacky Foley Artist.

Aganzir pinned Brinniel down while Volo attempted to throttle her with a striped hobbit-scarf. Brinniel gagged and sputtered...writhed and fought...and then her face began to change...her form twisted and contorted, with all sorts of interesting popping and squeaking sounds, and Gollum and Smeagol shrank back in horror from the creature ...a disgusting, slavering, rabid, mutant warg, complete with pushed-in nose and mangy reddish fur. The Downers gasped and recoiled...all but Rune, who drew a gun (when in America...) and fired two silver bullets into the diabolical beast's forehead.

The Downers had finally bagged a wolf.

Day 3 is over. Night 4 has begun. You know the drill...

The Cast and Crew

Six feet under:

Rikae (Mod) – CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard (Ordo) – Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen (Ordo) Galadriel– Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)- Sir Boromir, playing Denethor- Set a record for sprinting while on fire on Day2
Durelin (Ordo)- Special Effects Pyrotechnician-Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien (Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog-Took a little tumble on Night3
Brinniel (Wolf)-Wacky Foley Artist – Made a lot of noise on Day3

Six feet above

Volo - Gollum
Legate of Amon Lanc - Sound Master/Saruman
Macalaure - The 7th orc in the 3rd row
Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
The Saucepan Man- Set Catering Manager
Xyzzy - Young Fanboy
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Aganzir - Smeagol
Rune -Tolkien geek who is estatic about being an Elf extra
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Rikae]

The young fanboy had offended the cast and crew one too many times. From his insistence upon a shield-skateboarding scene to his endless whining for a Liv Tyler cameo, he had pushed the hard-core Tolkienites to the brink of madness. When he suggested cutting Tom Bombadil's second chorus of "Hey! Come derry dol!", it was just too much, and the youngster found himself bound and gagged and roughly deposited in a closet to wait out the remainder of the filming.
It really wasn't anyone's fault that they forgot about him, or that the closet was surprisingly air-tight.

Rune knew his time was up. He put on his elf costume and walked out to the middle of the complex at midnight under the full moon. Bow in hand, he challenged the wolves to come out and fight.

Only one answered; and though Rune fired arrow after arrow from his endless supply, they had no effect but to make the warg look slightly porcupine-like. As the Ranger/Spy watched the hulking, dark form shuffling closer, he looked boldly into its eyes...and knew who it was.

He threw back his head and laughed...and taunted the creature, saying "I see you..." before he was silenced forever.
So much for blond elves.

Night 4 is over. Day 4 dawns. Good luck...

The Cast and Crew

Bit the proverbial dust:

Rikae (Mod) – CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard (Ordo) – Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen (Ordo) Galadriel– Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)- Sir Boromir, playing Denethor- Set a record for sprinting while on fire on Day2
Durelin (Ordo)- Special Effects Pyrotechnician-Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien (Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog-Took a little tumble on Night3
Brinniel (Wolf)-Wacky Foley Artist – Made a lot of noise on Day3
Xyzzy (Ordo)- Young Fanboy-Left breathless on Night4
Rune (Ranger/Spy)-Tolkien geek who is estatic about being an Elf extra - got out of character on Night4


Did not bite said dust:

Volo - Gollum
Legate of Amon Lanc - Sound Master/Saruman
Macalaure - The 7th orc in the 3rd row
Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
The Saucepan Man- Set Catering Manager
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Aganzir - Smeagol
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Volo]

So... I've been lucky and the Book had an interesting underlined phrase:
"True!" said Aragorn, loosening his sword in its sheath. "But where the warg howls

++Macalaure

Of the rest I'd throw the guess:

SPM - Wolf
Anguirel
Kath - Innocent
Diamond - Wolf
Gil-Galad - Innocent
Shasta

Well, Legate and Aganzir are both Innocent.

[Macalaure]

++Volo


I have to say, Kudos to you! I trusted your great claim of being the Reincarnation of Tolkien first, because I thought that, after all, you were technically not a real gifted. Due to the number of gifteds, I knew that either you or Rune were lying, and now I know who it was.

I would have chosen to just let you go on, but since I am going to get lynched now, I have no choice but to reveal my role.

Unlike Rune and Lommy, who have twin roles, I am, more or less, a regular seer. The exception is that, same as with Rune, I can only see whether a person is an ordo or not.

I'm not sure whether Volo is a wolf or the cobbler (a spectacular one, if I may add), since I haven't dreamt of him, but surely he is not on our side.

[Volo]

Well... Who have you dreamed of? :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

The additional information:

Night One I dreamt of Anguirel and found him to be an ordo. Ang is always difficult to find out, so I thought it was a good pick.

Night Two I dreamt of Boromir, since he was the major question mark on Day One. You now understand why I was so much against lynching him.

Night Three I dreamt of Rune, my main suspect on Day Two, and found him to be not an ordo. Since I found his overall behaviour to be very suspicious, I was quite convinced of his evilness.

Last Night I dreamt of Saucepan Man, who is another ordo.

[Aganzir]

Brinniel about others in posts #180 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=521973&postcount=180) & #246 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=522178&postcount=246) . I left Volo, Legate, myself and the dead from the list.

Mac: Difficult to figure out (#180). Will keep an eye on him, but doesn't actually suspect; slightly suspicious (#246).

Spm: Nothing strange in him, but should perhaps take a closer look (#180). Doubts if a wolf would be bold enough to suspect innocent Legate with such a certainty. Possibly innocent (#246).

Ang: Quite confused about him (#180 & #246). Classified as suspicious in #180.

Kath: Her vote on Rune was strange, suspicious (#180). No reason to suspect her, possibly innocent (#246).

Di: Difficult to figure out (#180). Not very suspicious (#246).

Shasta: Not much to say (#180). His voting has been weird, but quite innocentish (#246).

Gil: He's not posting very much. Does that mean he's innocent? Doesn't know... (#180). If Rune's a wolf, then it's possible that Gil's one, too (#246).

Based on this I think Spm's a wolf and Gil's innocent. Of the others it's difficult to say anything.

edit: xed with two Macs and Volo.

[Volo]

This might be alarming, but I suggest and hope that you won't start voting for the name to be revealed. I'm not sure of the person's role, but whatever it is, it's not "innocent". So, in case he's the cobbler, let's not vote him, as we do need anti-Wolf-power (aWp) and even a cobbler counts as such. If we really need to lower the Wolf-quantity we should lyncyh him, but not for a few Days still. Sorry, not only did we steal your suspects, but we stole your tongue. I suggest everybody goes and presses "ignore" in SpaM's profile.

Ok. Now that we know that Mac is either a Wolf or a Cobbler, I can reveal my real (:p) phrase:

'But if you want to be introduced to our chief investigator, I can produce him.'
'Where is he?' said Frodo, looking round, as if he expected a masked and sinister figure to come out of a cupboard.

Cross out that preveous phrase, it was just to find out what Mac was.

The real one is about SPM! :D And he's either the Cobbler or Wolf.


EDIT: Xd with Mac and Aganzir

[Volo]

Last Night I dreamt of Saucepan Man, who is another ordo.
Ok, this proves it. :p

[Macalaure]

What kind of game are you playing, Volo?

[Volo]

And that you don't need to go through your LotR copies if you don't know them off by heart I suggest you use this (http://www.kevnet.com:9000/LOTR%20TEXT/1.%20The%20Fellowship%20of%20the%20Ring.html#Chap2 _10).


EDIT: Xd with Mac. "Loser!" I'm playing nastily. I want to be Heading for Tomorrow.

EDITEDIT: 747th post! \o/

[Aganzir]

Should we try to double lynch Spm and Mac?

[Kath]

Are you kidding me? Another Day with two revelations? And our only way to prove it is to lynch one or the other of them, which I don't really want to do. Thing is, both stories are so plausible! Mac's has an especially neat get out clause with him only able to see whether a person is an ordo or not rather than what they actually are, as now when someone asks 'so why didn't you dream of Volo last Night to find out what he was' he can simply answer 'because he would only have shown up as different'.

*sigh*

I'm more inclined to trust Volo. Mac has no useful information. He's only dreamt of good guys and half of those he's dreamt of are dead. Why would a Seer reveal unless they had at least one wolf bagged? Although to be fair that's an argument against Volo too, did he ever say why he revealed so early?

I suppose we could lynch Legate. Volo has said he is innocent yet most of the village thinks (or at least thought) he was highly suspicious. If he turns out to be innocent it would seem that Volo was on our side.

Ideas people?

[Kath]

Cross-posted with a whole lot of people there right up til Aganzir.

[Macalaure]

You should better start explaining what in Arda you are doing, if you wish to survive this Day. :p

I'm beginning to doubt you're a wolf. A cobbler on drugs you are! :D

edit: crossed with Kath and Aganzir.

[Aganzir]

I suppose we could lynch Legate. Volo has said he is innocent yet most of the village thinks (or at least thought) he was highly suspicious. If he turns out to be innocent it would seem that Volo was on our side.
I guess lynching Mac or Spm is just as easy a way to find out if Volo's on our side... ;)

[Volo]

Kath... Hey, come on! Why would there be a normal Seer when the other roles are wierd? :rolleyes:

EDIT: Xd with Aganzir. Yeah. Pity a doubble-lynch will be messed up by them, but we've got them and they can't run away.

Kath also feels pretty lynchable, don't you think? Oh, I'm overexcited. Let's wait for Ang and Legate and everybody else.

[Macalaure]

Mac's has an especially neat get out clause with him only able to see whether a person is an ordo or not rather than what they actually are, as now when someone asks 'so why didn't you dream of Volo last Night to find out what he was' he can simply answer 'because he would only have shown up as different'.No, I didn't dream of Volo because I already knew he's on the evil side, and I cannot distinguish a wolf from a cobbler.

Why would a Seer reveal unless they had at least one wolf bagged? Because everybody would have believed Volo if I didn't! What choice did I have?

I suppose we could lynch Legate. Volo has said he is innocent yet most of the village thinks (or at least thought) he was highly suspicious. If he turns out to be innocent it would seem that Volo was on our side.I suggest to vote Volo. If he is what he claims he is, we can't lynch him anyway.

If Volo lies and you lynch me, you lose your seer and a Day's lynch.

If I lie and you lynch Volo, you lose your seer and a Day's lynch, but the wolves also lose a Night's kill.

[Macalaure]

Kath... Hey, come on! Why would there be a normal Seer when the other roles are wierd? :rolleyes:

I am no normal seer, as you have surely read from my post. :rolleyes:

[Kath]

No Aganzir if Mac is on our side (and it's a big if looking at the evidence Volo has just presented us with) it's too dangerous to test it by lynching him. To be honest though, I'm thinking he's evil. Volo just has too much back up. And I guess he is right, why would there be a normal Seer in this game?

Ok scratch that, I'll lynch Mac.

Volo, I'm mildly confused. What exactly do you know? These riddles or whatever, have you had one for both Mac and Sauce?

[Aganzir]

I suggest to vote Volo. If he is what he claims he is, we can't lynch him anyway.
But by "lynching" him we'd make it a lot easier for the wolves to finish him off the next Night, which they couldn't do unless we'd already tried to kill him.

edit: as you surely knew yourself.

[Volo]

I suggest to vote Volo. If he is what he claims he is, we can't lynch him anyway.

If Volo lies and you lynch me, you lose your seer and a Day's lynch.

If I lie and you lynch Volo, you lose your seer and a Day's lynch, but the wolves also lose a Night's kill.
If we lynch me you lose a lynch turn and me, because the wolves will kill me next Night.

If we lynch Mac we lose a wolf, a lynch turn and an innocent or half of me at Night.


Yeah, I'm going to "sleep". Sure, like I can sleep now... :D


EDIT: Xd with Mac, Kath and Aganzir.

Mac, invent the role NOW, quickly!

Kath, I invented the riddle for Mac to test him out. If he'd acted calmly, I'd have told him that I think he's innocent. And I got the riddle about SPM from Rikae as the Dream.

[Macalaure]

But by "lynching" him we'd make it a lot easier for the wolves to finish him off the next Night, which they couldn't do unless we'd already tried to kill him.
Yes, sure you do, but it's still better than lynching me, since I have no special survival power that Volo claims to have.

[Aganzir]

And I think the easiest way for you both is to lynch Spm. If he's a wolf or the cobbler, we can trust Volo and lynch you next. And if not, then it's Volo to die next. :p

edit: corrected a name

[Macalaure]

If we lynch Mac we lose a wolf, a lynch turn and an innocent or half of me at Night.

Riiight. :rolleyes:

Another idea: Since we are now without rangers, I am going to be dead this way or the other, so we could try a double lynching of me and Volo. I would be ready to sacrifice myself for it, since I can't tell you my next dream anyway.

~crossed with Aganzir

[Kath]

And I think the easiest way for you both is to lynch Spm.
I actually agree with that, and the way Sauce responds will certainly tell us something. As an ordo he should really be willing to die to find out the truth (though I know from experience that it's very hard to give yourself up in these games, you want to see them through!). Of course, he'll probably turn up and claim he's the Seer now. :rolleyes:

We should NOT lynch Volo and Mac. Mac is doing the put-upon innocent routine right now and whether it's real or not lynching the both of them is just stupid. One of them is our Seer, a double lynch is ridiculous as it will kill both of them. Mac right off and Volo by the end of the Night. The fact that Mac has suggested it has kinda sealed his fate for me, but I'd still rather get some proof.

[Macalaure]

Kath, I invented the riddle for Mac to test him out. If he'd acted calmly, I'd have told him that I think he's innocent. And I got the riddle about SPM from Rikae as the Dream.
Volo, would you please stop to edit your posts to such degrees! Of course you can play more sneakier as the baddie you are, but your bending the general rules with that.

PS: If I was an ordo and got that "double fake dream" of yours, I would have protested loudly, too. Being unable to make a counter claim to your claimed seerness, nobody would have believed me and you would have laughed until you were lynched tomorrow.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Note: You are all writing so fast that I had to change this post about three times on walk, but this speaks to the situation in global as well as what has happened through all the time here now.

Just applause! Wonderful move, Volo. (and if you still were to be a wolf, then you are probably the best wolf in history :p )

And from what you posted, Volo, it looks like SpM might be a Cobbler, more likely. Also the bold way of his accusing would hint it. When I read through Day 3's posts toDay, I thought about that SpM might be a Cobbler, based for example on this:
I have, since I am very familiar with a Wolfish Legate.

I agree that he is far more aggressive now than when he has previously been a Wolf. However, I am pretty sure that this is down to two things. First off, he has been under a fair amount of scrutiny in this game, almost from the off. Secondly, I would not expect him to act the same way now as a Wolf as he has in the past. Indeed, given that there are a number here who have experience of a Wolfish Legate, I would expect him to act quite differently.
I think SpM's actual mind process was that he really thought I'd act the same, so he realized I'm probably not a Wolf, and so thought that it's safe to turn on me. And if he were to be accused based on killing me as innocent, then his death as Cobbler would be ok.

I suggest not lynching SpM now. A Cobbler counts as Innocent concerning the village counts, and Mac seems quite well a wolf.

I suppose we could lynch Legate. Volo has said he is innocent yet most of the village thinks (or at least thought) he was highly suspicious. If he turns out to be innocent it would seem that Volo was on our side.

Ideas people?
Yes, based on this, you are a Wolf :) After all, I'm a revealed innocent, and one person down is better than just losing one life of a two lives possessing Seer.
Cross-posted with a whole lot of people there right up til Aganzir.
Look at what she crossed with. Quite a shame, Kath.

And just ignore Mac. He wants to take Volo down with him, as it's, of course, obvious. Then they could kill him the same night.

P.S. Stay careful all. The Wolves might try to wreak havoc and confuse us. I suggest we lynch Mac today and Kath tomorrow, maybe you could check her, Volo? Then we'll see.

[Macalaure]

We should NOT lynch Volo and Mac. Mac is doing the put-upon innocent routine right now and whether it's real or not lynching the both of them is just stupid. One of them is our Seer, a double lynch is ridiculous as it will kill both of them. Mac right off and Volo by the end of the Night. The fact that Mac has suggested it has kinda sealed his fate for me, but I'd still rather get some proof.
You assume that Volo is truthful about his claim to have two lives. I highly doubt that.

If we end up lynching the evil person (Volo), then I will die during the night anyway.
If we end up lynching the good person (me), then Volo will continue living and you will have to use another lynch to get rid of him.

~crossed with Legate

[Kath]

Actually Volo I do agree with Mac on that, please don't go back and edit your posts. It took me a full Day to figure out why people were talking about your revelation 'cause I couldn't find a new post with that in.

So you don't actually know Mac is evil? Well that settles it then. We lynch Sauce. Mac says he's innocent, Volo says he's evil. Whatever he turns out to be tells us who we trust.

[Macalaure]

Just why am I not surprised by Legate's reaction. :rolleyes:

[Volo]

PS: If I was an ordo and got that "double fake dream" of yours, I would have protested loudly, too. Being unable to make a counter claim to your claimed seerness, nobody would have believed me and you would have laughed until you were lynched tomorrow.
Yep, if you were an ordo. But then you would have said ":eek: I'm just a quiet ordo, I'm simply innocent."

I think Kath is innocent and I agree with lynching SPM though he's probably the Cobbler... :rolleyes:

I'm going off now but I'll be around in 18 hours or so.

[Macalaure]

Yep, if you were an ordo. But then you would have said ":eek: I'm just a quiet ordo, I'm simply innocent."And I would have been lynched with that phrase on my lips. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So you don't actually know Mac is evil? Well that settles it then. We lynch Sauce. Mac says he's innocent, Volo says he's evil. Whatever he turns out to be tells us who we trust.
Well, now what I said before seems logical: SpM is a cobbler and Kath is trying to save Mac and let us lynch the Cobbler. Cf. my post. Be careful, all innocents have to vote together, we have quite a lot of baddies here (4). Wow, really adrenaline.

[Kath]

Legate ... what? I know Volo has cleared you, that was entirely the point. We need to lynch someone that has been 'dreamt' of one way or another to prove or disprove someone's claim of being the Seer. But that's actually not you, it's Sauce, as there is an opinion on him from both sides.

Surely you can see that lynching Sauce is the best way to prove this? For starters if he's evil we've got rid of a Cobbler and if he's innocent we know who to trust.

[Volo]

Xd my last post with everything since #314 and this post with everything since my last post.

I'm sorry about the EDIT-confusion. It's something I've always done and seen people do, but if it's really annoying I'll stop. (though it is damn helpful)

P.S. Stay careful all. The Wolves might try to wreak havoc and confuse us. I suggest we lynch Mac today and Kath tomorrow, maybe you could check her, Volo? Then we'll see.I can't choose my dreams...

[Volo]

Well, now what I said before seems logical: SpM is a cobbler and Kath is trying to save Mac and let us lynch the Cobbler. Cf. my post. Be careful, all innocents have to vote together, we have quite a lot of baddies here (4). Wow, really adrenaline.
Hmmm... Good point. I'll stick with Mac for now.

Xd with everything since my last post.

[Macalaure]

I can't choose my dreams...
I can! :Merisu:

Seriously, I have said all I can. It depends on you people now.

(PS: why is that one 'o' bolded :confused: )

[Aganzir]

Rune had suspected Mac so long that I wouldn't wonder if it was him who he spied the Night he died...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Volo: Got that. I just haven't time to read through yesterday properly, I arrived about an hour before the start... I spent most time with SpM's status against me.

For starters if he's evil we've got rid of a Cobbler and if he's innocent we know who to trust.
For starters, if Mac is lying, and that is what we will learn when he is lynched, then Volo is, together with all the other facts, not lying. If we get rid of a Cobbler, we don't help our case in any way, because there will be still three wolves running around. And they need to get the upper hand in numbers, Cobbler, in this, is on our side (he counts to the number of innocents). If we don't listen to him and ignore him, he can't do anything apart from voting for one of us. When SpM comes, you'll see it from his vote - of course, I strongly suggest ignoring everything he says, because whatever it will be, it will be meant to confuse us. Just act like he werent't there.

[Kath]

Guys can we all just calm down for a second and think?

Can anyone tell me why lynching Sauce toDay is a bad idea? Can anyone tell me why finding out which of our two Seers is telling the truth is a bad idea?

Aside from the fact that we lose a very useful innocent in Sauce if Mac is telling the truth that's it for downsides.

If Volo is telling the truth we lynch Mac tomorrow.

If Mac is telling the truth we double-lynch Volo with someone he has claimed is innocent tomorrow.

Is there anything here that doesn't make sense?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Rune had suspected Mac so long that I wouldn't wonder if it was him who he spied the Night he died...
Well, though it's a good idea, I think it is not much of a proof, you know. But nevertheless, I suggest we lynch Mac, for what I said earlier. And everyone who came here, I suggest you read my posts (there's just three of them this far) to avoid problems. Yes, that's Sarumanic syndrome of organizing things, I know :D

So, I think we can make it like this?

++Mac

EDIT: x-ed with Kath.

[Kath]

Actually, we might as well lynch Mac. Even if we prove he is who he says he is the wolves will just kill him toNight and we won't get a dream out of him.

Oh this sucks.

[Aganzir]

Kath, well, if Mac was telling the truth (which I don't happen to believe), he would die anyway the next Night. If he's not telling the truth, he's either a wolf or the cobbler, and we had better get rid of him quickly. I think it's all the same whether we lynch him toDay or let the Wolves kill him during the Night.

The thing I find weird is that you keep insisting we should lynch Spm, who now seems to be the Cobbler. It's difficult to expect you would believe Mac even that much that you can be uncertain if it's Volo or Mac who is lying, were you an innocent. :rolleyes:

I think Legate is right and that we should lynch Mac now. Therefore,

++Macalaure

edit: xed with Kath

[Kath]

Yeah I just figured that out Aganzir. Me being dense. I forgot he didn't have the same helpful half-immortality thing Volo claims to.

Lynching Mac does now seem to be the best thing to do.

++ MAC

[Macalaure]

Kath, well, if Mac was telling the truth (which I don't happen to believe), he would die anyway the next Night. If he's not telling the truth, he's either a wolf or the cobbler, and we had better get rid of him quickly. I think it's all the same whether we lynch him toDay or let the Wolves kill him during the Night.I can't see why this argument should not apply to Volo as well. In the end, it comes down to the question whom you rather believe.

Tell me, how can I make you believe me, Aganzir? :(

~crossed with Kath

[Macalaure]

I can only shake my head at this whole development. :rolleyes:

I can't believe nobody, nobody at all, makes the effort to look back over the thread to decide with a little bit of reason whom to believe and whom not to.

[Aganzir]

Tell me, how can I make you believe me, Aganzir? :(
Maybe it would have been easier if I hadn't started making analyses (which I unfortunately never had time to complete, due to RL, and then there was again too much happening in the game that I could have been concentrating on them) of both you and Spm during the previous Days... :rolleyes: And because of that I rather believe Volo. :p

[Anguirel]

This is one of those times when analysis is outdated by the time the ink is dry...

I'd bet, personally, on a combination of Sauce, Kath, Diamond and Mac for evildoers. I trust Volo, and find the very accuracy of Mac's "revelation" - I am indeed a villager - proves its falseness. I must congratulate Rikae and Volo for the imaginative nature of that role and the perspicacity with which it has just been used.

I suggest we double-lynch Kath and Mac, or Diamond and Mac. Preferably the former.

But first we should look at those riddles with care. There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful. So I shall reserve my vote for now. Besides it might be needed for tactical orchestration of a double-lynch.

[Macalaure]

I trust Volo, and find the very accuracy of Mac's "revelation" - I am indeed a villager - proves its falseness.

*lifts his arms into the air in disbelief*

[Kath]

Ang why on earth would you double-lynch?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful.
But this is about SpM, and this is why I think he's the Cobbler. And I wouldn't count context in this - context has nothing to do with it in this case: these are just phrases. You wouldn't make Gollum nor Saruman good even if you stood on your head.

[Aganzir]

But first we should look at those riddles with care. There's still an outside chance Mac's innocent; the quotation comes from a Conspiracy Unmasked, where the conspirators turned out not to be all that dreadful.
There's also a very slight possibility that we're barking up the wrong tree, as Volo wasn't told who the riddle was about and he had to figure it out it himself, but I don't think that's very probable. At least Legate and I were quite clear, and I can't think of anyone but Spm who could come out of a cupboard...

[Anguirel]

Mac, in civilian life my respect for you knows no bounds, but cut the ham acting. You were hired for a non-speaking part and this melodrama role just isn't suiting you. Be absolute for death. It will come as a relief to your tormented soul.

Kath - why on Arda not? I want a swift and convincing victory, not a series of interminable drib-drabs with nothing to say and the defeat of the wolves still inevitable (let's face it, we still have two Medium dreams, which are pretty easy to decode, and the number of suspects is radically shrinking. You wolves are doomed.)

We're making a film here, you know; I say it needs a spectacular finish.

Perhaps I should make a little trouble to aid that finish.

++KATH

Curunir, we are of one mind. Shall we meet beneath the eaves of the forest, friend, and shake hands as brothers and equals at last?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Curunir, we are of one mind. Shall we meet beneath the eaves of the forest, friend, and shake hands as brothers and equals at last?
Unless you are a Wolf with the last noble attempt to seem like a good guy who agrees with Volo, when this all ends, I'll be happy to welcome you in my Treegarth of Orthanc. I also heard the mallorn wood has very good calorific value... *ahem* But if so, you'll see that a strong place and wonderful is Isengard, and also beautiful; and in ages long past there great lords had dwelt, the wardens of Gondor upon the West, and wise men that watched the stars... And there you will stay, and rest from journeys. For I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman the White, Saruman the Survivor. But only thus far. So let's not plan too much forward, we are not at the end yet...

(notice: no in-game point in the text from sentence 2 onwards)

[Diamond18]

Well isn't this exciting. At first this issue seems confusing but actually, it kind of makes things easier. I was for lynching Mac before and right now this whole kafuffle between him and Volo over who's the seer is just cementing my bad feelings over him. I have no objection to lynching him. If he's guilty, we follow up with Sauce, and if he's innocent, Volo.

+ + Mac

Makes sense to me.

Now, as far as the questions re: "where is Diamond?"... pardon me for sounding a little annoyed but I did say in the Admin thread that I was going to be very busy all week and was unsure if I'd even be able to make it online toward the end of the week. It's just plain old boring real life, not malice, that's keeping me away.

[The Saucepan Man]

Can anyone tell me why lynching Sauce toDay is a bad idea?Yes, I can! I am …

… the true Seer!

The remaining Wolves are Mac, Volo and Legate!

(*Joke*) :rolleyes:

So, who to believe? It's rather a no brainer for me.

I said yesterDay that I thought one of Rune or Volo was lying. Rune was obviously telling the truth, so I had already concluded that Volo’s claim was probably false. Two Rangers plus a Seer with two lives just seems very unbalanced to me. And all these sudden changes in his story are stretching the bounds of credibility. Looking back, I can see no reason why, if he was the true Seer, he (re-)revealed yesterDay. It followed Rune’s revelation and it was purportedly done to show why he distrusted Rune’s claim.

I don't fully trust Rune as that role could have been easily invented, and I'll even prove why I don't think that there is a role like that.But that’s no reason for a Seer to reveal, especially as Rune’s claim could be (and was) tested quite easily. It looks to me like either an attempt to discredit Rune’s claim that did not come off or an attempt to flush out the real Seer which did (or both). And what’s with these ex post facto edits? I can’t see what happened, and wouldn’t mind an explanation, but it looks mighty suspicious to me.

I also found Volo’s claim that Legate was innocent difficult to believe, and now comes his claim, based on his dream, that I am “sinister”, whereas I can assure you that I am innocent, if decidedly ordinary.

Mac’s claim looks entirely more credible to me. It was made in response to another Seer’s claim that he was a Wolf and the role that he describes looks much more in keeping with game balance. There’s also the fact that he has dreamed of me and accurately found me to be an ordo.

I am not at all surprised that Legate has accepted, and is supporting, Volo’s story, as I have had him pegged as a Wolf all along. He could do little else, since they are inextricably linked by Volo’s determined, even desperate, attempts to save him from the noose.

As for the others, well there is probably a Wolf among you, but I cannot understand why the rest of you are bying Volo's claim so easily.

I would suggest that we lynch Volo toDay and, when he is proven a Wolf, lynch the Legate of Tol Gaurhoth toMorrow.

++Volo

[Gil-Galad]

meh why not


i'm actually the seer, i've been pretending to play low so i can strike a balance

i did my rune attack to draw out some potential wolves...


yes i jokes, but i'm going to vote for Mac mainly because i am sure that the gifteds know of each other gifteds.... so mac wasting a dream on rune is well, a waste

++Macalaure :p

[The Saucepan Man]

Another idea: Since we are now without rangers, I am going to be dead this way or the other, so we could try a double lynching of me and Volo. I would be ready to sacrifice myself for it, since I can't tell you my next dream anyway.

We should NOT lynch Volo and Mac. Mac is doing the put-upon innocent routine right now and whether it's real or not lynching the both of them is just stupid. One of them is our Seer, a double lynch is ridiculous as it will kill both of them. Mac right off and Volo by the end of the Night.Actually, it was a rather sensible suggestion as, while any doubt still remains, it is the only way of ensuring that we are one Wolf (or at least the Cobbler) down toMorrow. The fact that Mac suggested it, and is willing to die to see a baddie killed, whereas Volo has made no such suggestion, merely reinforces my view.

[The Saucepan Man]

yes i jokes, but i'm going to vote for Mac mainly because i am sure that the gifteds know of each other gifteds.... so mac wasting a dream on rune is well, a wasteActually, Rune made it clear that he did not know of Lommy's identity until he spied on her, which was unfortunately the Night that she died.

Good grief! Apart from one Wolf and one Cobbler, you are all allowing Volo and Legate to play you for fools ... :rolleyes:

[Diamond18]

Eugh, curse you SPM for being so persuasive... I think I'm back to being confused about our two "seers." I can see both scenarios being possible. I feel like sticking to Mac, but I'll sleep on it. Hopefully I can get online tomorrow at least an hour before the deadline.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So then....

Volo: Mac (Mac-1)
Mac: Volo (Mac-1, Volo-1)
Legate: Mac (Mac-2, Volo-1)
Aganzir: Mac (Mac-3, Volo-1)
Kath: Mac (Mac-4, Volo-1)
Anguirel: Kath (Mac-4, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Diamond: Mac (Mac-5, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Sauce: Volo (Mac-5, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Gil: Mac (Mac-6, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Shasta: Volo (Mac-6, Volo-3, Kath-1)

So Mac's definately in the lead.

If we lynch Mac, and he's lying, then Volo must be the Seer, and the wolves will attack him at night, and we lose our Seer (unless he's lying about the two lives)
If we lynch Volo, and he's lying, then Mac must be the Seer, and the wolves will attack him at night, and we lose our Seer.
If we lynch Mac, and he's not lying, then Volo's a wolf; we lynch him tomorrow, but we lose our seer.
If we lynch Volo, and he's not lying, then the wolves kill him off at night, and we lynch Mac tomorrow, but we lose our seer.

If we double-lynch Volo and Mac, then we bag a wolf either way, and the Seer's no loss, as we would have lost him anyway... I'll side with Ang and say that I don't see anything wrong with that.

Of course, the fact that Volo's lied twice on-thread has put me on my guard, no matter how much he sugarcoated it. :rolleyes:

++Volo

Of course, I'll be on before the deadline, ready and willing to retract my vote if need be.

Oh, I guess I need to put my own vote in the tally. xD

[Aganzir]

Everybody has voted, and this is looking pretty bad.

Three sure innocents (Volo, Legate, me) + most probably innocent Gil are voting for Mac. Then there are Kath & Di, and at least one of them (possibly both) are wolves.
That's not enough to kill Mac!

Only two last minute retractions are needed, and Volo will be an easy target for the wolves next Night.

Non-Mac voters are Mac (Volo), Ang (Kath), Sauce (Volo), Shasta (Volo). If any of you is innocent, I suggest retracting for Mac.

Of course this vote of Shasta makes him look quite bad now, and I hope this means that either Kath or Di is innocent. Of course it's no use to rely on that.

I must go, I'll be back in 6 hours or something.

edit: corrected a name

[Volo]

I've been thinking on the Days to follow and brought a chart of possibilities.

I have very little time right now, but in about 4 hours I'll explain.

Let's just say that I think of it very probable that Shasta and Kath (or maybe Diamond are Wolves.

If that is the case, I'l trust that both of the two ladies won't change their vote to me, especially as that will condemn them to death in the following Days.

Ang are you ready to move your vote to Mac if needed?


I don't think that there is too much fear of me being lynched as that would reaveal the Wolves.

[Macalaure]

Alright. Even though I feel like preaching to walls I will give it one more try.


Volo is evil, whether wolf or cobbler I don't know.

I suspected Aganzir the past days, but her behaviour today looks very innocentish, albeit misguided. For the sake of the village, you should reconsider the premises upon which you argue.

Kath seems like the only one who actually tries to see both sides of the current dilemma. Unfortunately, she reached the wrong conclusion.

Legate is surely a wolf. He is simply too secure about the whole situation and I also trust the senses of innocent Saucepan Man.

I know Ang to be innocent and because of it the more I am puzzled by his behaviour. I don't like his jokes about my "acting" and his vote for Kath, I'm afraid, makes no sense.

I don't like the fence-sitting of Diamond. I suspected her before and so I still do.

The Saucepan Man is innocent, and even if I didn't already know that, I would assume it now, because apart from Kath he is the only one who actually makes up his mind, even though he could simply have said: "I know I'm innocent, therefore Volo must be evil."

Gil I thought evil before and I still do so. He is also far more sinister than even the old Gil ever was.

I'm not sure about Shasta, but his arguments make sense to me. Though it's possible that his vote is wolf-on-wolf, I doubt it.


Baddies: Volo, Legate, Gil

Possible fourth baddie: Diamond

Probably innocent: Shasta, Kath, Aganzir

Known Innocents: Ang, SPM

[The Saucepan Man]

Look at it this way.

We have two competing Seer claims.

One is the latest (in my view, barely credible) offering in a series of convoluted revelations which have adapted in response to changing circumstances and was entirely unprovoked.

The other is a single, straightforward claim which was made with good reason.

Which would you believe?

I would also note that Legate and Aganzir, who have been at the forefront of promoting Volo’s claim, also happen to be the two villagers that Volo has declared innocent. Legate is clearly a Wolf. It would be risky for Volo to claim both of his remaining companions as innocent, although not beyond the bounds of credibility, given the overly obvious nature of the move. However, I can understand why an innocent who has been declared innocent by a false Seer would support the claim. It is also possible that Volo is the Cobbler and was uncertain of the identities of those he claimed innocent when he made the claim.

I would urge those innocent villagers who have voted for Mac to reconsider their position in light of the above. I would prefer to see Volo lynched, but a double lynch of the two of them would be a reasonable outcome if you consider there to be any doubt, as it will at least ensure that a baddie (in my view a Wolf) is lynched, rather than just an innocent. Either way, we will lose the Seer, as I simply do not believe that, with two Gifteds able to protect him, the Seer would have been given two lives.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Shasta! If you are innocent, you'll vote Mac.

Actually, it was a rather sensible suggestion as, while any doubt still remains, it is the only way of ensuring that we are one Wolf (or at least the Cobbler) down toMorrow. The fact that Mac suggested it, and is willing to die to see a baddie killed, whereas Volo has made no such suggestion, merely reinforces my view.
Because this is also way of proving that not only a Wolf, but also a way of ensuring the Seer is definitely down toMorrow! If Mac were the Seer, he'd be down, killed by wolves at night. But don't think that, if we lynched Volo, the wolves would kill Mac! Of course not - they'll get Volo's second life.

Whatever, it seems highly improbable now that Volo could get more votes than Mac. But who are innocent, should vote Mac, and certainly not Volo.

[The Saucepan Man]

I don't think that there is too much fear of me being lynched as that would reaveal the Wolves.

Shasta! If you are innocent, you'll vote Mac.Wolfishness! Wolfishness! The audacity of it! Who other than the Wolves would seek to pressurise innocent villagers into voting for an innocent, a Seer no less, for fear of being lynched themselves?

I ask people to consider the evidence and vote in the interests of the village, not out of fear.

But don't think that, if we lynched Volo, the wolves would kill Mac! Of course not - they'll get Volo's second life.As I have explained, that "second life" claim is one of the reasons why I am exceedingly dubious (to say the least) of Volo's claim.

[Volo]

Day4

3 Wolves
1 Cobbler
1 Medium
5 Innocents

7 vs 3

Sure:

4 aWps (anti-Wolf-power, one being a vote strategy confusing Cobbler)
1 Wolf

Volo - The Medium
Aganzir - Innocent
Legate - Innocent

SpM - Cobbler

Mac - Wolf

Unsure:

2 Wolves
3 Innocents

Kath Wolf/Innocent
Diamond Wolf/Innocent
Shasta - Wolf

Gil-Galad - Innocent
Anguirel - Innocent


Day5

2 Wolves
1 Cobbler
1 Medium
4/5 Innocents

6/7 vs 2

Sure:

3/4 aWps (anti-Wolf-power, one being a vote strategy confusing Cobbler)
1 ? (My dream next Night)

Volo - The Medium

(One of the two might be dead, probably Legate)
Aganzir - Innocent
Legate - Innocent

SpM - Cobbler

Unsure:

2 Wolves
3 Innocents

Kath Wolf/Innocent
Diamond Wolf/Innocent
Shasta - Wolf

Gil-Galad - Innocent
Anguirel - Innocent


Day6

1/2 Wolves
1 Cobbler
0/1 Medium
3/4/5 Innocents

5 vs 2, or 6 vs 1

Sure:

2/3 aWps (anti-Wolf-power, one being a vote strategy confusing Cobbler)
2 ?

(Might be dead)
Volo - The Medium

(One or two might be dead)
Aganzir - Innocent
Legate - Innocent

SpM - Cobbler

Unsure:

1/2 Wolves
2/3 Innocents

Kath Wolf/Innocent
Diamond Wolf/Innocent
Shasta - Wolf

Gil-Galad - Innocent
Anguirel - Innocent


The point:

This looks better on paper...

I'm saying that SPM will cause the votes to go against us. On Day 6 this might be critical if the Wolves kill two Innocents (Legate and Aganzir) and we won't catch a Wolf on Day 5.
It would cause the situation to be such that we have:

- The Medium
- The Cobbler
- Two Wolves
- Two Ordos

And this is the situation we will lose in whatever my dreams!!

So we have to catch a Wolf (or kill SPM) on Day 5 or then the Wolves should try killing me next Night or the Night after.



But back to the roles:

I think Rikae would want to make a balanced game and that the roles aren't 100% randomed. It might also be probable that she didn't give people the roles they have very often or in the preveous games.

That being the case this figure is the most probable:

Gifteds:

Lommy - Ranger/Assassin (dead)
An old timer that hasn't been a Ranger for a long long time.
Rune - Ranger/Spy (dead)
Same as Lommy.
Volo - Medium
A relative newbie that has never before been Seer.

Wolves (and Cobbler):

SPM - Cobbler
One of the oldest timers.
Brinniel - Wolf (dead)
A relative newbie that has never before been Wolf.
Mac - Wolf
An old timer that hasn't been a Wolf for a long time.
Shasta - Wolf (unknown otherwise)
A newbie that has never before been Wolf.
Kath - Wolf (unknown otherwise)
An old timer that hasn't been a Wolf for a long time.

Innocents

Anguirel
If he was instead of Kath as the Wolf, the teams wouldn't be balanced.
Diamond
Still debatable. She might be the Wolf, but given that she had a special role in the preveous game, I think that it's more probable that Kath is the Wolf.
Gil-Galad
Wolf in the preveous game.
Legate
Wolf in the preveous game.
Aganzir
If she was instead of Kath as the Wolf, the teams wouldn't be balanced.

The preveous conclution is based only on the idea that Rikae didn't random the roles and pretty much nothing else, but it does seem to back up the situation of the game otherwise.


Yeah, I really use my history lessons wisely... :rolleyes:

[Macalaure]

But back to the roles:

I think Rikae would want to make a balanced game and that the roles aren't 100% randomed. It might also be probable that she didn't give people the roles they have very often or in the preveous games.
I don't like this sort of argument. I don't like it at all. It's the worst kind of meta and vague speculative reasoning I have ever seen. Not only do we not know how Rikae chose her roles, of course, but discussing it is simply wrong. It might even lead to the right conclusion in the end, but it shouldn't be part of in-game arguments, and as far as I remember it has never been so far in past games.


And what's even worse, some of your conclusions are simply wrong, and you know it:

Lommy - Ranger/Assassin (dead)
An old timer that hasn't been a Ranger for a long long time.The role of the assassin is close to the role of the hunter, and Lommy has been one recently.

Volo - Medium
A relative newbie that has never before been Seer.You're too humble, Volo. ;)

SPM - Cobbler
One of the oldest timers.Indeed, and probably the one with the best cobbler-reputation of all. You're contradicting yourself.

Anguirel
If he was instead of Kath as the Wolf, the teams wouldn't be balance.Care to explain?

Diamond
Still debatable. She might be the Wolf, but given that she had a special role in the preveous game, I think that it's more probable that Kath is the Wolf.This is purest speculation.

Aganzir
If she was instead of Kath as the Wolf, the teams wouldn't be balanced.
See Anguirel.


edit: and what does "makes little sense, but important!!" mean? ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, if the last two posts don't convince anyone who is telling the truth and who is not, I don't know what will. Pure speculation as to who might have been allocated what roles based on recent history sure ain't gonna help the village. And pure speculation based on past history which has been manipulated to the suit said speculator's own ends strongly smacks of Cobbleresque or lupine activity to my mind.

What's the matter Volo? Are you concerned that the facade of "evidence" that you started the Day with might be beginning to crumble under serious challenge?

I think Rikae would want to make a balanced game ...I do agree with this though. And a multi-lived Seer with double protection sure doesn't look balanced to me.

One further point occured to me. In the highly unlikely event that, contrary to all the evidence, Volo is telling the truth (and has misinterpreted the dream about me, which does after all refer to Samwise), lynching him will prevent a further innocent death toNight. Whereas, if Mac is telling the truth, lynching him will result in the death of two innocents before the morning. Either way we lose our Seer, but we will at least have two known innocents rather than one come the morning, if we lynch Volo and are wrong. In those circumstances, and given the evidence now accumlated, I am confident that we can defeat the Wolves, even without our Seer.

Indeed, and probably the one with the best cobbler-reputation of all.You are too kind, but I would argue that the honour still lies with TORE. :D

[Macalaure]

You are too kind, but I would argue that the honour still lies with TORE. :DThat must have been ages before my time. :D


Looking up the vote count, again:

Volo: Mac (Mac-1)
Mac: Volo (Mac-1, Volo-1)
Legate: Mac (Mac-2, Volo-1)
Aganzir: Mac (Mac-3, Volo-1)
Kath: Mac (Mac-4, Volo-1)
Anguirel: Kath (Mac-4, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Diamond: Mac (Mac-5, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Sauce: Volo (Mac-5, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Gil: Mac (Mac-6, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Shasta: Volo (Mac-6, Volo-3, Kath-1)


- In order to lynch Volo and not me, we need two retractions from me to Volo.

- In order to lynch us both, we need either one retraction and Ang switching to Volo, or two retractions and Ang switching to me. The former is very improbable.

Of the ones who voted me, Volo, Legate and Gil are unlikely to retract. So is probably Aganzir, though I still haven't lost all hope.


Kath, Diamond, the decision is almost entirely up to you two. Make up your minds and decide carefully and wisely.

[Aganzir]

I daresay it's clear enough that Mac is a wolf and Spm something alike. No need to try to convince us of anything else...

Mac the seer, please sacrifice yourself with greater dignity.

[Volo]

I don't like this sort of argument. I don't like it at all. It's the worst kind of meta and vague speculative reasoning I have ever seen. Not only do we not know how Rikae chose her roles, of course, but discussing it is simply wrong. It might even lead to the right conclusion in the end, but it shouldn't be part of in-game arguments, and as far as I remember it has never been so far in past games.
Ok, sorry sorry. Rikae, hit me with a hammer from above (PM) if you agree with Mac about that post being too much out-game.

Like I (probably) said before, it is in no way an argument and I'm not trying to convince anybody with it, not even everybody except you, Mac and SPM.

[Anguirel]

Yup. So, I'm not all that interested in what's going on, I like alarming people a bit, and I thought Volo's last couple of posts were silly in innumerable ways.

--KATH, ++VOLO

Whatevah. I'm going to go and reminisce with the ghost of my dear wife about the good old days when "lots of Gifteds" meant Seer-Hunter-Ranger...

[Volo]

So, I'm probably dead. Thanks a lot.

But what I do want to hear is if you think that the end of the post #357 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=522428&postcount=357) is against the rules. Because if it is, I'm not going to do so anymore, and I'll delete that part (though that would probably also be illegal...).

I'm not all that interested in what's going on
Spoilsport.

[Rikae]

A voice from beyond the grave:

Leave it the way it is, but please refrain from meta-discussion in the future - it's bad form.

I would also like to add that posts should not be edited except to note cross-posts.

Carry on.

[Volo]

Lynch Ang and umm... hopefully Shasta if you still can in the next Days. This is so confusing that I can't find anything to say about Kath and Diamond anymore. I hope whatever your role, you don't make the game harder for the Innocents to solve by voting me.

[Volo]

A voice from beyond the grave:

Leave it the way it is, but please refrain from meta-discussion in the future - it's bad form.

I would also like to add that posts should not be edited except to note cross-posts.

Carry on.
Ok, thanks, and sorry. :(

[The Saucepan Man]

But what I do want to hear is if you think that the end of the post #357 is against the rules.No, I don't consider it to be against the rules. Bad form, even for a Wolf or Cobbler, but not against the rules. :p ;)

In my view, it should stand as the evidence it represents (ie highly damning). Your suggestion that such evidence might be destroyed is simply another indication of your bad intent, as far as I am concerned.

Have you ever heard the saying:

Oh what a complex web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive. :rolleyes:

Edit: Crossed with the voice from above et seq

[Volo]

You say that I and Legate are Wolves. Who is the last Wolf then? And no, that isn't a confession.

[Volo]

My turn to be talkative is it?

Well, how do you explain this: In one trailer, a Downer flipped randomly through a copy of LOTR, then, finding something, sat back and frowned, deep in thought. :rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

No use, Volo. They know as well as you who is lying. It's all about time now. They still have a slight chance to win, so of course they want to lynch you. :rolleyes:

[The Saucepan Man]

You say that I and Legate are Wolves. Who is the last Wolf then?I cannot be sure that you are a Wolf. You may well be the Cobbler, for all I know. Neither can I be sure of the remaining Wolf or Wolves, although I have some ideas. One step at a time, though. I have two baddies in my sights at the moment, as you well know. :rolleyes:

Well, how do you explain this:What, the narrative that you picked up on as part of your ruse? I have no idea. Perhaps it relates to Lommy's role, as we have no clear idea how it worked. Or possibly it is an element of the Cobbler role. Indeed, that would make sense if you are the Cobbler.

[Volo]

What, the narrative that you picked up on as part of your ruse? I have no idea. Perhaps it relates to Lommy's role, as we have no clear idea how it worked. Or possibly it is an element of the Cobbler role. Indeed, that would make sense if you are the Cobbler.
Two trailers were watched by unseen eyes that night; but for what purpose I cannot say.Doesn't that sound more like the typical Ranger-text...

And how do you manage to relate this ("In one trailer, a Downer flipped randomly through a copy of LOTR, then, finding something, sat back and frowned, deep in thought.") to a Cobbler?

[The Saucepan Man]

And how do you manage to relate this ("In one trailer, a Downer flipped randomly through a copy of LOTR, then, finding something, sat back and frowned, deep in thought.") to a Cobbler?How the heck should I know? Perhaps you could elaborate, although don't worry - I can wait 'til the afterthread. ;)

One thing I do know, however, is that section of narrative does not get anywhere near to establishing your claim. And with all the evidence in favour of your claim being a false one, I have little doubt now that you are malign.

I don't propose debating with you any further. There's no point, given your alignment.

[Anguirel]

I think Volo's almost certainly truthful, but he was getting a tad smug, and the wolves will be pretty clear whether he's innocent or guilty...this may seem like an exciting day, but it's actually pretty mundane. The essential battle has already been fought.

[Volo]

I think Volo's almost certainly truthful, but he was getting a tad smug, and the wolves will be pretty clear whether he's innocent or guilty...
Well thanks. Wouldn't it have been easier just to tell me that I'm being smug and ask me to stop doing that. And now people will think of you as Innocent because you do think that I am truthful... After all, it does make more sense to vote the person who you think of as the Wolf than the person who you feel offencive.

this may seem like an exciting day, but it's actually pretty mundane.
I do agree with this, but still, it isn't a reason to say that you don't care and effect the game in a way "that wouldn't be the way you would do if you played seriously".

I appologise for fitting this pretty much out-of-game rant into the middle of the game, but a rant is a rant, when you rant, you rant. :(

[Anguirel]

What would life be, my friends, without devious rascals who meddle just for the fun of it and cause a lot of trouble, not least for themselves?

The answer - it would be a life without Anguirel in it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm beginning to think Ang is the real cobbler.... :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ad Ang: Yeah, but you should not vote him just in case someone else turns mad (ha, ha *someone*) and votes him as well. Anyway, I'm leaving toDay, so just in case I'm dead overnight, an advice:

Try to play it on being sure. If you are to lynch someone, then try to lynch primarily:
1. A known Wolf,
2. If you don't have a known Wolf, then it's safer to lynch the known Cobbler, because in a small village a Cobbler almost equals a Wolf, since he can participate in voting. He still counts as Innocent, however, but if the balance is equal, you have to lynch a Wolf and not him, of course. In case it's not already late.
3. If you have nothing of the above, then lynch a likely Wolf.

***********
And, also, I think I was quite a good target for the Wolves, being so vocal and all. So one of the supporting points when decising who is a Wolf and who not might be based upon who voted for me, or at least spoke against me.
This point is also based on that I think - here please note that I don't know if I'm not assuming too much (as I know myself, I probably am) - but they might have thought me a Seer. If anyone, then Mac probably could: he has a habit of pointing out things (to his comrades, probably) and on Day 1, he reacted on my first post like this (boldening mine):
Silence kills. Especially now. Early time it might be, but we must grasp as much knowledge as we could, and this is not accomplished by just silence or idle monologues. Rather, let us talk.
Idle monologues? Look who's talking...
Maybe I'm indeed assuming too much, but I don't see why would Mac quote especially this point. This would mean he'd tell about it also to his comrades later - so they could be specifically aimed against me. Though they probably wouldn't vote for me all (to be not all suspicious), some might. E.g. Shasta's vote, her only post on Day 2, might have been influenced by the thought that I am likely to be killed and her vote will only help it, without him having much problems with it, since he wasn't here all the day, so he "just voted, and all is ok, right?"
But once again, I'm known for overcombining thoughts, so... just what do you yourselves think of it.

Also seeing now what Ang said about Volo, I am somehow supported in my suspicions that Ang's attempt to speak to me "O Curunír, old friend..." was a (rather silly) trick to play this on me. Though I'd like friendly Celeborn, this was fishy, and if you are indeed innocent Ang, you are making unbelievable mess with acting like this.

But, double-think everything I said here, these are just assumptions (everything under the stars). That's just for the case the Wolves choose to try to sway the balance to get rid of me toNight.

Bye, and hopefully toMorrow.

[Aganzir]

I'm beginning to think Ang is the real cobbler.... :rolleyes:Says someone who voted for Volo just that the wolves could finish him off toNight... :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm beginning to think Ang is the real cobbler.... :rolleyes:
On the other hand, this looks quite nice for Shasta, because what he says looks logical. But what about the sentence Volo got? It looks much more like Cobbler. And if Shasta is a wolf, this might be a move to try to make us switch a Wolf for a Cobbler. But if I say one more sentence, then I'll die from overcombination and ambivalence, so I'm leaving, bye. :cool:

[Macalaure]

Anguirel, to be honest, I would have preferred to get your vote if you're so certain about the falseness of my claim. I'm honestly sorry that this game has lost its appeal to you.


Legate, I was pointing out that line of yours to show that you were not practicing what you were preaching. You wanted to keep people from doing "idle monologues", yet you were one of the worst who did.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Guys, the :rolleyes: emoticon at the end designates that yes, my comment was just a joke. ;)

I gotta wonder why certain people overreacted, though...

[Macalaure]

Well, I hoped that Kath and Di would return before the deadline and maybe retract their votes, but my hope is beginning to fade now.

Farewell sweet earth and northern sky. :)

[Gil-Galad]

i'm confused but heck


--Mac

++Volo

[Kath]

I'm here, but I don't wish to change my vote.

See, whatever happens Mac, you're dead. Even if you are the Seer the wolves will know that and you're dead toNight.

But Volo with his extra life clause isn't dead if we don't lynch him. He can survive the Night and give us one more dream if he is the Seer.

[Macalaure]

Wait, is it Volo 5, Mac 5 now? :eek:

[Aganzir]

Yes.

[Macalaure]

Actually, I'm pondering to retract my vote to whoever, because I don't feel like Volo deserves Ang's vote. It doesn't seem fair.

[Volo]

Yeah... Well.

Trust Legate and Aganzir whatever happens!

SPM is probably the Cobbler (but might be Wolf).

I'm unsure about Anguirel, but he might be a Wolf.

Oh, heck, the rest of you could also be Wolves... :/

Use your head and don't trust anybody except Legate and Aganzir!

[Kath]

Do it quick then Mac, don't leave us with a double lynch.

[Rikae]

Oh no you don't!

You have lynched Mac and Volo.

Narration...shortly.

[Macalaure]

--Volo

++Legate HA! :p


edit: DAMMIT :mad:

[Volo]

Hey comeone, he's still 9:00 PM :D ;)

[Rikae]

With two of their number claiming to be seers, there was only one thing to do...kill them both and let God(ess) sort 'em out.
Some of the Downers' hearts were softened by the impassioned arguments of the handsome and charming Macalaure...

...but not enough of them.

Anguirel, who happened to have the knife bequeathed to him by his assassin grandfather, grew bored with the arguments. “this may seem like an exciting day, but it's actually pretty mundane”, he remarked, and casually tossed the knife at Macalaure. It was still sharp, and embedded itself deep in the self-proclaimed seer's leg. Mac, who seemed strangely amused by the proceedings, pulled the knife back out of his thigh and proceeded to lick the blood off it with great delight...

...this repulsive performance was halted by the robot Treebeard (and Legate, with his remote control). The giant ent-foot came down upon Macalaure with a sickening crunch – blood spurted in all directions, and Legate applauded...

...but when Treebeard's foot lifted again, Macalaure, though no longer quite so handsome, was still twitching. Aganzir, thinking quickly, grabbed an axe and embedded it in his nervous system...

...but this only had the effect of enraging the 7th orc, who struggled to his feet and lashed out at Volo. His fingernails suddenly lengthened and grew clawlike; his teeth took on the appearance of fangs; and it seemed to the onlookers that he was slightly...hairier.
Kath tripped the switch on one of the trebuchets, hurling a chunk of Minas Tirith at the creature with incredible force. It hit its target, and the Downers cheered...
...until Macalaure crawled out of the crater in the floor, grinning wolfishly, and spit on the piece of architecture that had failed to hurt him in the slightest.

Aganzir swung the axe once again, lopping off his arm, but the semi-lupine son of Fëanor simply took the limb in his other hand, lit it on fire, and pursued Volo brandishing his makeshift torch.
Volo paused in front of a door marked “danger: inflammable”. “Does that mean it does burn, or it doesn't?” he mused – but as the tenacious Macalaure had nearly reached him, he had no time to ponder the matter any longer, but opened the door and stepped to the side.

The now fully transformed Wolfalaure had no time to stop, and plunged headlong into a room full of gunpowder with a lit “torch” in hand.

There was, for the second time in the filming, a deafening explosion, and warg-parts rained down upon the cast and crew.

“Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!” Gil-Galad gloated...

but before the words were out of his mouth, a swarm of green termites came out of NOWHERE and devoured what was left of Macalaure.

You have lynched the mod's lover. Game over. Village loses. Wolves lose. Lovers lose.
Just kidding.

“You're immortal anyway, right?” Gil comforted Volo.

“Um...well...”

“Why don't we work it into the filming?” Di suggested, so they dragged Andy Serkis' successor to the Mount Doom set (complete with Real Molten Lava *tm). “Now just trip and fall, Volo. We'll see who's right, and who is dead...”

But Volo hesitated on the edge. “I'm not...I mean...”

“Cold feet? Let me help you!” cried SpaM, and with a running tackle, he shoved the Medium over the edge.

“Well, that wasn't exactly canonical...” Shasta remarked.

Volo sank into the lava, and vanished. Ashes floated to the top. His bluff had failed...

...but a ring of smoke rose from the lava and circled among the Downers, as if examining them. After stopping at each in turn, it slowly dissolved in their midst.

Day 4 is over. Night 5 descends. Do your thing.

The Cast and Crew

Reached the finish line:

Rikae (Mod) – CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard (Ordo) – Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen (Ordo) Galadriel– Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)- Sir Boromir, playing Denethor- Set a record for sprinting while on fire on Day2
Durelin (Ordo)- Special Effects Pyrotechnician-Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien (Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog-Took a little tumble on Night3
Brinniel (Wolf)-Wacky Foley Artist – Made a lot of noise on Day3
Xyzzy (Ordo)- Young Fanboy-Left breathless on Night4
Rune (Ranger/Spy)-Tolkien geek who is ecstatic about being an Elf extra - got out of character on Night4
Macalaure (Wolf)- The 7th orc in the 3rd row - Proved remarkably difficult to kill on Day4
Volo (Medium) - Gollum - Pushed, didn't fall on Day4

Lagging behind:

Legate of Amon Lanc - Sound Master/Saruman
Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
The Saucepan Man- Set Catering Manager
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Aganzir - Smeagol
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Rikae]

The dwindling cast and crew awoke on Day 5 to find Legate missing, and his favorite bowling ball at the bottom of the swimming pool; but what became of the Sound Master you shall never know; that scene has been left out of this narration because the mod felt it was not essential to the plot, and might confuse people who had never read the book.

They did, however, find ribbons of human flesh strewn all over the cutting room floor. Apparently, the voice of Saruman had had little impact on the two remaining wargs...

Night5 is over, Day5 has begun. Commence killing each other now!

The Cast and Crew

Shuffled off this mortal coil:

Rikae (Mod) – CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard (Ordo) – Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen (Ordo) Galadriel– Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)- Sir Boromir, playing Denethor- Set a record for sprinting while on fire on Day2
Durelin (Ordo)- Special Effects Pyrotechnician-Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien (Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog-Took a little tumble on Night3
Brinniel (Wolf)-Wacky Foley Artist – Made a lot of noise on Day3
Xyzzy (Ordo)- Young Fanboy-Left breathless on Night4
Rune (Ranger/Spy)-Tolkien geek who is ecstatic about being an Elf extra - got out of character on Night4
Macalaure (Wolf)- The 7th orc in the 3rd row - Proved remarkably difficult to kill on Day4
Volo (Medium) - Gollum - Pushed, didn't fall on Day4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Ordo)- Sound Master/Saruman - Cut from the theatrical version on Night5

Didn't (yet):

Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
The Saucepan Man- Set Catering Manager
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Aganzir - Smeagol
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Aganzir]

If we lynch an ordo toDay, we're going to lose.

Therefore I suggest that in the improbable case that we don't find a wolf we lynch Spm. Probably the Cobbler (unless a wolf), but it will give us one Day more as he won't be around to mess things up.

Gil, why did you retract from Mac to Volo?
Kath, please forgive me if I say it's really hard to believe you would have believed Mac even much enough to be that confused.
Di, I guess you, too, should have known better than to be confused if the liar was Mac or Volo.

Those were not accusations but questions.

[Aganzir]

'But if you want to be introduced to our chief investigator, I can produce him.'
'Where is he?' said Frodo, looking round, as if he expected a masked and sinister figure to come out of a cupboard.
Now that I'm thinking it I can't see how this would point to the Cobbler rather than to a Wolf. I think Spm started his Cobblerish behaviour only after Volo's revelation. Of course a Wolf wants to avoid being voted off for wolvishness.
Who's the Cobbler then, I'm not sure, but maybe we should seriously consider Spm toDay. At least we won't lose if we lynch him now.

[Gil-Galad]

If we lynch an ordo toDay, we're going to lose.

Therefore I suggest that in the improbable case that we don't find a wolf we lynch Spm. Probably the Cobbler (unless a wolf), but it will give us one Day more as he won't be around to mess things up.





that is contradictery there, if we lynch the cobbler, we still lower our chances of capturing the wolf... our best bet is wolf, ignore the cobbler and focus on the wolf. i don't like that sentence... i'm sorry but that has wolfish written all over it.




there is 7 of us left

if we lynch cobbler, that is 6, then by the day we are down to 5...

i must say that if we all agree SPM is the cobbler, then push him aside and focus on the wolf, we win if the wolf is dead, we needn't worry about the cobbler


Gil, why did you retract from Mac to Volo?

because i was really unsure of either of them, and to play it safe, double lynching helps us rather then take the chance of allowing another wolf to live and cause more mayhem, now only one wolf lives he/she will have trouble deciding who to kill because now he/she won't have any second opinion


now my question to you Aganzir, why are you so strong on getting rid of the cobbler if we know who he is? you surely must know that if we waste todays lynch on the cobbler then that gives the wolf another day to strike.

best rule in dealing with the cobbler, ignore him/her


in conclusion,

leave the cobbler alone and ignore him
focus on the last wolf and win this game

[Anguirel]

Remember Aganzir is a proven innocent, Gil.

I behaved like a cad yesterday on all levels. I can only plead that I'm playing a part in an exciting new mini-series where I portray a massively overworked schoolboy, and it's quite tiring.

I hope to be a lot more helpful and talkative today. I do agree that Sauce could easily be a wolf not a cobbler.

Today is a day when analysis will actually pay off. There are no longer revelations to distract us; work hard and play hard and we'll prevail.

I still think Kath and Diamond are wolves. Nyah.

[Aganzir]

that is contradictery there, if we lynch the cobbler, we still lower our chances of capturing the wolf...
You seem to have forgotten that there are two Wolves left.
There are seven of us. If we lynch an ordo toDay, toMorrow there are only five left. And two of them would be Wolves and one the Cobbler. Ordos have pretty nice chances to win, don't you think?


i must say that if we all agree SPM is the cobbler, then push him aside and focus on the wolf, we win if the wolf is dead, we needn't worry about the cobbler
That's not true, and to me it seems that you're trying to mislead us. I don't agree he's the Cobbler. Not without better evidence than what Volo gave us, because Volo's piece of evidence might as well point to the Cobbler as to a Wolf.


now my question to you Aganzir, why are you so strong on getting rid of the cobbler if we know who he is? you surely must know that if we waste todays lynch on the cobbler then that gives the wolf another day to strike.

Like I said, we have no way to prove that Spm really is the Cobbler unless we lynch him. We may assume so, but it's not a fact. Acting cobbler is the only thing he can do now, after Volo revealed what was written about him. He's avoiding lynching, and even you Gil should agree in this.
And you should have no reason to worry about this, because it will be me, not you, who shall be slaughtered next Night.

edit: xed with Ang

[Aganzir]

because i was really unsure of either of them, and to play it safe, double lynching helps us rather then take the chance of allowing another wolf to live and cause more mayhem, now only one wolf lives he/she will have trouble deciding who to kill because now he/she won't have any second opinion
Oh, I see. But you considered Mac suspicious enough to vote him on Day3.

[Kath]

I was less confused Aganzir and more banging my head on the desk in despair. When I opened the thread to see both Volo and Mac claiming to be the Seer I felt my heart drop 'cause it was going to be yet another day of yoyoing between two people.

But anyway, as for suspicions. Gil is pretty high on my list after that little stunt he pulled yesterDay when he caused the double lynch.

Sauce is either the Cobbler or a wolf and if we manage to get a wolf toDay I think we need to go double-or-quits tomorrow and double lynch him and someone else.

Who that someone else is I'm not yet sure. I want to say Ang but that's just a spiteful reaction. Who is actually cleared? As far as I recall it's only Aganzir now right? And we know Sauce is guilty, which leaves:

Shasta
Ang
Kath
Gil
Di

I wonder if Shasta warrants a closer look. Haven't heard a great deal from him and with four wolves it wouldn't be strange to have another slip-under-the-radar one.

Ugh, I don't know. Gut says Ang or Di, especially since the later has an excellent cover with her unfortunate RL circumstances.

[Anguirel]

Personally I would suggest double-lynching Sauce and one suspect if possible - at present I would advocate Kath. It would be frustrating to end today with only the relatively small fish of a Cobbler, (which I agree Sauce might be more than) and not to slay a third wolf.

[Aganzir]

No double lynching, please.

If Sauce's the Cobbler and we lynched him & an ordo, we would lose. I think it's better not to take a risk.

[Gil-Galad]

Personally I would suggest double-lynching Sauce and one suspect if possible - at present I would advocate Kath. It would be frustrating to end today with only the relatively small fish of a Cobbler, (which I agree Sauce might be more than) and not to slay a third wolf.


this does not help you one bit Ang... a double lynching will only help the wolves unless we double lynch both wolves...

so, as far as i take it

innocent: Aganzir, Legate

Potential Cobbler: SPM

Everyone else:

Shasta
Ang
Kath
Gil
Di

shasta has been rather quiet through this whole game so i am less inclined to him... my main bet is Ang because this post is really just putting it out there... but then a thought came, if we lynch Ang and he turns out to be a cobbler, then perhaps SPM will be cornered as being one of the wolves...

so my suspicous list include:

Ang and SPM

[Aganzir]

but then a thought came, if we lynch Ang and he turns out to be a cobbler, then perhaps SPM will be cornered as being one of the wolves...
I would love to hear why we should take the risk of losing by lynching Ang, when Spm is a sure case. Why not lynch him now, and then concentrate on Ang or whoever the main suspect then is?

And Legate is unfortunately dead.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Spm is almost definately the cobbler, but if we absolutely have to look anywhere else, I suggest looking at Ang.

Haven't heard very much from Di; maybe I'll take a closer look at her.

Kath, oddly enough, seems innocent-ish to me... of course, I haven't played with her before, so I could be being misled.

Gil is by far the most suspicious to me at least, based on yesterday's end-of-day retraction to Volo, and some of today's posts.

Aganzir is definately innocent.

Since today has been designated for house-cleaning, I can't be on any longer today, although I'll be able to get on tomorrow to change my vote if need be, but I thought I'd go ahead and vote....

++Gil

I'll be on before the deadline tomorrow, and I'll retract and vote for Spm if everyone decides to get rid of the cobbler.

*picks up a featherduster and gets to work.... sigh*

[Aganzir]

Sorry, but I just had to bring this up again. Just for my own fun, you know, I don't expect it helps us toDay.


So, assuming that there were two Wolves among the Legate voters, then I consider one of Rune, Aganzir and Diamond to be a Wolf.
Legate voters were Shasta, Spm and Boro.
Spm meant to say Boro voters, but everyone has heard of Freudian slips.

I must say I don't like Shasta's vote. I think Gil's somewhat suspicious, but toDay it's of greatest importance to know who we are going to kill before being hasty.

It's a 1/3 chance of Gil being a Wolf or Ang being a Wolf or anyone else being a Wolf, but it's 50-50 chance that Spm is one.
Killing an ordo toDay leads to everybody's death, except the Wolves' and the Cobbler's.
Killing the Cobbler wins us more time. Killing a Wolf wins us more time.
I would rather see the Cobbler dead than witness the village losing because everybody thinks fitting to vote someone they suspect the most. It's time for cooperation.

If you indeed are an innocent, Shasta, I strongly recommend to retract and vote Spm! It's 2 Wolves + the Cobbler against four innocents, and if even one ordo votes another ordo, we're doomed.

It's annoying as well for me as for you to see me repeating the same things, but I can't help it. Our remaining Wolves are not stupid, and neither is our Cobbler. They will mislead you, given the chance.

[Aganzir]

Anguirel can be anything. If Sauce's not the Cobbler, I think it's possible that he is. He's done a lot of suspicious things, but then again he has got himself out of the situations pretty easily. I know I should watch out for him more, but it's difficult.

Diamond. Well, it was practically her vote that killed Boro, but Legate wouldn't have been any better lynchee. She voted Mac two times.
I'm slightly surprised how Spm could have persuaded her to doubt if it was Mac or Volo who was telling the truth.
Well, I guess she might be innocent, but don't count on that.

Gil suspected Mac already on Day3, and voted for him then. YesterDay he voted Mac at first, but switched to Volo a few minutes before the deadline. It's incredibly hard to believe that an innocent Gil would have done that. Well, I understand why you may have thought that double lynch was a good idea, but a few minutes before the deadline... :rolleyes: I think he's been really suspicious toDay (remembering the number of the Wolves wrong, insisting without evidence that Spm is the Cobbler...), too, but it might just be his way and me being paranoid. I want anyway see Spm dead before him.

There's something wrong with Kath's posts, especially the ones she posted when Volo and Mac were arguing about the Seer thing. They just struck me as not genuine. Towards the end of that Day she calmed down and started again speaking like an innocent, but the former posts left a little uncomfortable feeling.
Anyway I'm more inclined to consider her innocent, but here I can be terribly wrong.

Shasta is quite suspicious. He has had some good points, but then on the other hand I don't always understand his reasoning. Now that we know about Rune I find it somewhat interesting that Shasta suspected him on basis of his "safe" vote for Mac on Day2 I think.
He has voted for Legate, Rune and Volo, all innocents, and now for Gil. On Day2 he voted early and without any good explanation because he didn't want to be mod-killed.
I don't know what I should make out from all this.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep now, it's 1 AM.

++ THE SAUCEPAN MAN

I'll be back, before the deadline, but I don't intend to retract my vote.

[Diamond18]

Di, I guess you, too, should have known better than to be confused if the liar was Mac or Volo.

Those were not accusations but questions.

"should have known better" sounds like an accusation to me, not so much of wolvishness as of poor gameplay. :rolleyes: I had some momentary doubt when reading over SpM's persuasive arguments -- he's devilishly good at that. But in the end I didn't change my mind, so I don't see why you're complaining. I've been doing my best to figure things out in my limited reading/pondering time and didn't want to just disregard SpM's (rather loud) arguments without at least considering it for a while.

Anyway, now I'm quite certain that SpM is either a wolf or a cobbler. And Gil is looking very wolfish at the moment with his insistence that we ignore SpM to the point of not considering that he be a wolf. Right now, if I had to, I'd bet that SpM and Gil are wolves. Actually, are we 100% certain that there is a cobbler in this game? I should probably know this but I'd appreciate it pointed out where the clue was, etc. If there is a cobble I'm suspecting either Ang or SpM of that role. I very much dislike Ang's suggestion of double lynching.

[Gil-Galad]

well i want to vote Ang... but i don't want to split the vote too much so

++SPM

oh and aganzir,

Gil suspected Mac already on Day3, and voted for him then. YesterDay he voted Mac at first, but switched to Volo a few minutes before the deadline. It's incredibly hard to believe that an innocent Gil would have done that. Well, I understand why you may have thought that double lynch was a good idea, but a few minutes before the deadline... I think he's been really suspicious toDay (remembering the number of the Wolves wrong, insisting without evidence that Spm is the Cobbler...), too, but it might just be his way and me being paranoid.

you obviously have not played enough werewolf games with me... read the old games and this will solve your statements

and shasta, i get this weird feeling your not to fond of me in these games... also thank you for talking up today

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, I have little hope that anyone will believe me when I say this, given what has happened, but I am neither the Cobbler nor a Wolf. Merely an ordinary innocent who has so far got it utterly wrong, and spectacularly so. I was convinced that Legate was a Wolf and, when Volo came up with such seemingly damning evidence against me, having cleared Legate, I could see no other alternative than that they were both evil.

When I saw that Volo really was the Seer, I was mystified. But it is clear to me that Volo misinterpreted the passage that he received me, and I can see how.

'But if you want to be introduced to our chief investigator, I can produce him.'
'Where is he?' said Frodo, looking round, as if he expected a masked and sinister figure to come out of a cupboard. This is from A Conspiracy Unmasked and the conspirator referred to is not in fact a sinister figure at all, but Samwise Gamgee. The clues aren't necessarily going to be straightforward and, if you read it with that in mind, this passage shows me to be what I am - innocent.

So I looked at the passage that Volo received about Aganzir.

“There was a little corner of his mind that was still his own, and light came through it.”Remember, Volo initially interpreted the passage about Aganzir as signifying her to be a baddie. I think that he may have got it right first time round. The suggestion is that there is only a little corner of her mind that is still her own. This might signify that she is no longer, as she once was, fully human. And, together with her certainty yesterDay that Volo was the one telling the truth, a fact which only a Wolf could have known for sure, this makes me think that she may well be a Wolf who has found herself in the happy (for her) position of being considered a known innocent. I cannot be sure about this, though, as I am unfamiliar with the quote, and the context may be important.

Still, as I said, I have little hope that I will be believed, at least by enough to make a difference. And the Wolves will certainly be looking to capitalise on the consensus against me. However I must warn you that, if you lynch me toDay, the village is doomed.

[Kath]

Wait, wait, wait. Isn't the Cobbler on our side? Not in terms of allegiance obviously but in terms of numbers? I was under the impression that the Cobbler counted as an innocent until the numbers of wolves and innocents were equal. If this is correct then surely we'd be better off focusing on finding a wolf than lynching Sauce. I mean, we can just ignore Sauce, but the wolves will still have an effect.

If that rule doesn't count for this game then by all means let's lynch him ... but shouldn't we perhaps find out first?

[The Saucepan Man]

There’s probably little point in me doing this, but I shall anyway, for tradition’s sake, if nothing else. :D

Day 4 votes:

Volo: ++Mac (Mac-1)
Mac: ++Volo (Mac-1, Volo-1)
Legate: ++Mac (Mac-2, Volo-1)
Aganzir: ++Mac (Mac-3, Volo-1)
Kath: ++Mac (Mac-4, Volo-1)
Anguirel: ++Kath (Mac-4, Volo-1, Kath-1)
Diamond: ++Mac (Mac-5, Volo-1, Kath-1)
SpM: ++Volo (Mac-5, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Gil: ++Mac (Mac-6, Volo-2, Kath-1)
Shasta: ++Volo (Mac-6, Volo-3, Kath-1)
Anguirel: --Kath, ++Volo (Mac-6, Volo-4)
Gil: --Mac, ++Volo (Mac-5, Volo-5)

I strongly suspect that, if they had the opportunity to do so, one of the Wolves will have voted for Mac, particularly if the Cobbler voted for Volo (although the Cobbler will not have known for sure which one was lying and which one was telling the truth). The other Wolf will almost certainly have voted for Volo.

Mac voters: Aganzir, Kath, Diamond

Based upon Volo’s dream about her, I believe that Aganzir may well be a Wolf. Knowing Mac to be a Wolf and Volo to be innocent, the obvious move (for one of the Wolves, at least) would have been to support Volo’s claim. Other than Legate, Aganzir was the only villager who appeared to have no doubt whatsoever that Volo was telling the truth.

Kath’s to-ing and fro-ing on the issue looks suspicious to me, as if she was making her mind up what the best move for a Wolfish (or Cobbleresque) Kath was. So, if I am wrong about Aganzir, Kath is probably the Wolf here. If not, she could be the Cobbler.

Diamond’s reaction to the situation looks entirely genuine to me.

Volo voters: SpM, Anguirel, Shasta, Gil

The likelihood is that there is at least one Wolf and quite possibly a Cobbler here.

Shasta’s vote looks reasonable to me, as it was by no means clear which claim was true (even with the benefit of hindsight) and Volo’s duplicity (albeit in a good cause) definately looked dodgy.

As a last minute switcher, Gil’s vote is more suspicious, but I cannot fault his conclusion that a double-lynch was in the village’s best interests, as I thought this to be the best outcome for anyone who was in doubt. Still, the last minute nature of it suggests to me that he may be the Cobbler.

As for Anguirel, I think it quite possible that he is the Wolf among the Volo voters. The reason that he gave for switching his vote was that Volo was behaving smugly. An outrageously capricious and unreasoned vote at such a critical time. Possibly, he hoped that everyone would conclude that a Wolf wouldn’t possibly make such an outrageous move. It is also worth noting that he did a similar thing on Day 3, when everyone else who was around had concluded (correctly) that Brinniel was most likely a Wolf.

So, if anyone cares, my thoughts are:

Probable Wolves
Aganzir
Anguirel

Possibly Wolf or Cobbler
Kath

Possible Cobbler
Gil

Most likely innocent
Shasta
Diamond

[The Saucepan Man]

If this is correct then surely we'd be better off focusing on finding a wolf than lynching Sauce. I mean, we can just ignore Sauce, but the wolves will still have an effect. :rolleyes:

I am going to try to stay calm, but if the Day carries on like this I can see myself starting to fume.

If you are innocent, you would be better off trying to figure out who the Wolves are and who the actual Cobbler is, as I am trying to do. :mad:

[The Saucepan Man]

A few thoughts on earlier comments before I head off for some sleep.

Kath, please forgive me if I say it's really hard to believe you would have believed Mac even much enough to be that confused.
Di, I guess you, too, should have known better than to be confused if the liar was Mac or Volo.Aganzir, may I remind you that only you and Legate considered there to be no doubt about Volo’s claim - the two villagers who Volo’s dreams apparently cleared. That and the fact that Volo’s suspicions tallied with his own no doubt explain Legate’s position. As for you, if, as I suspect, you are a Wolf, it was clearly in your interests to support him.

If you are innocent, however, you should bear in mind that there was no way that any innocent (or at least any innocent not seemingly cleared by his dreams) could be certain which claim was true and which one was not.

At least we won't lose if we lynch him now.Well, you might not lose, but the village will.

Today is a day when analysis will actually pay off.So why is hardly anyone bothering to do any serious analysis? :rolleyes:

Bye for now. I hope that I am not still in Coventry when I return. :(

[Aganzir]

Wait, wait, wait. Isn't the Cobbler on our side? Not in terms of allegiance obviously but in terms of numbers? I was under the impression that the Cobbler counted as an innocent until the numbers of wolves and innocents were equal.
In terms of numbers the Cobbler is on our side. Of course it would be better to find a Wolf toDay, but I'm afraid I'm no gambler. We have to kill either the Cobbler or a Wolf, and I think the best opinion is to kill Spm.
Would someone care to explain me why it is so certain that Spm is the Cobbler? I just don't understand why almost everybody seems to think it's obvious. He may as well be a wolf.

Now there are 7 of us alive. Let's think of a situation that we lynch an ordo. ToMorrow there would be 5 alive. Two Wolves, two ordos and the Cobbler. If the Cobbler is alive, the Wolves & the Cobbler together outnumber the ordos. They vote an ordo and win.

Diamond, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound offensive. Your behaviour just seemed strange to me, but now that I think it I guess all you who have played longer than I have seen a lot of games where the first one to claim to be the Seer is not one.

Gil, I definitely haven't played enough with you to know your style, so all I can do is to point out things I find suspicious, no matter were you always like that.

[Anguirel]

Diamond, there is certainly a non-wolf nasty somewhere. But it need not be Sauce. Before we lynched a wolf, five people were described in the narration as harbouring evil intentions.

Glad to have you back. I don't think you're a wolf. I was just flirting. In fact, I've modelled my entire approach this game since Day 2 on your typical style, semi-consciously...

I think it's interesting that Kath is stressing so emphatically that it would be dangerous to lynch Sauce if he is the cobbler. Is there any evidence in that riddle that he is cobbler not outright lupine baddy? No, there is not. I think she's trying to save her fellow-wolf. Both Sauce and Kath pooh-poohed my Brinniel case on Day 2. Sauce even attempted to use my success - the first time I've spotted a wolf correctly in ages, shame it had to be at the wrong time! - against me by "suspecting" a wolf-for-wolf vote.

Shasta seems to me the most likely other wolf.

There is a broad consensus building against me. I know that if Sauce was an innocent he would be defending me, knowing my habits as he does. I am capricious, and sometimes disastrous, to my own side. It's what I do. Then I come spectacularly good.

If Sauce, Shasta and Kath are not our remaining foes I will eat my bowtie and my nice waistcoat with its silver buttons. I shall present you with a proper anti-Kath tirade at a slightly later date.

If we must fight shy of lynching Sauce, I would like to take down Kath. Notice their identical, uncharacteristic styles early on - they concentrated all fire on a certain innocent suspect, Legate and Rune respectively. Known in the trade as the Farael-tactic, this technique usually implies guilt, unless it is being employed by Farael himself, in which case it sometimes does.

Those who suspect me, elucidate why, out of the admittedly abundant evidence against me, much of which I have deliberately constructed to avoid sharing my wife's fate, and I am happy to answer. But I don't want to monopolise proceedings today or tomorrow. I am not a mystery, I am a jester, a jester who could be of help if you took him seriously for once - could have been of help if you'd taken him seriously on Day 2.

[Kath]

Then I suggest you find a bottle of something that will help that bowtie of yours go down easier Ang, for you will be eating it.

Oh yes, and I love that I'm being told off for actually having real suspicions. :D

I am not against lynching Sauce full stop. I am against lynching Sauce if we can find a better candidate because if he is the Cobbler he can be useful in keeping our numbers up. The reason I think it more likely he is the Cobbler is because Volo thought so, and that particular boy is a master at riddles.

Now, I must go and I don't know if I will be back at the deadline so to make sure this actually has any effect at all:

++ SAUCE

Feel free to lynch me along with him Ang, but you'll be kicking yourself afterwards.

[The Saucepan Man]

Gah! This is so frustrating!

Would someone care to explain me why it is so certain that Spm is the Cobbler? I just don't understand why almost everybody seems to think it's obvious. He may as well be a wolf.Would someone care to explain to me exactly why you have made up your minds that I am either a Wolf or a Cobbler? So, I got it wrong about Volo and Legate. I was not the only one. As for Volo’s dream, well try a little lateral thinking. :rolleyes:

I think it's interesting that Kath is stressing so emphatically that it would be dangerous to lynch Sauce if he is the cobbler.I suspect that she has fallen for the general feeling that I might be the Cobbler. She does look distinctly furry to me. Notice how, when challenged, she put in a vote for me, in an attempt to sidestep the building suspicion. She did exactly the same thing yesterDay, with her vote for Mac.

Those who suspect me, elucidate why, out of the admittedly abundant evidence against me, much of which I have deliberately constructed to avoid sharing my wife's fate, and I am happy to answer. So, you are claiming that you have deliberately acted suspiciously, thus endangering the village, so as to preserve your own life? That’s hardly innocent behaviour. It’s not really necessary to elucidate why you look suspicious, since you fully accept that you do. However, if I had to point to anything, apart from statements like this, I would note that your voting looks decidedly dodgy. Quite apart from your safe vote for Brinniel and your capricious vote yesterDay, you do, I think, hold the village record for retractions, and it seems to me that, save where they are prompted by revelations, Wolves (and the Cobbler) have the most to gain from making full use of the ability to switch votes.

[Gil-Galad]

I must agree with SPM... i just don't like it... but Aganzir is a proven innocent, but he is just an innocent trying to lead the rest of us againest SPM... and if he proves innocent? then what?

i feel i must take the chance with SPM... i am really close with taking my vote of him off because if we all bandwagon on him, the wolves will probably join us and hide amongst us...

[The Saucepan Man]

... but Aganzir is a proven innocentNo she's not.

... and if he proves innocent? then what?Wolves (and Cobbler) win.

... i am really close with taking my vote of him off because if we all bandwagon on him, the wolves will probably join us and hide amongst us...I doubt that it will make much difference. The Wolves will vote for me for as long as they remain within the majority. If they manage to get me lynched, it makes little difference how obvious this makes them look when I am proven innocent since, with the Cobbler's help, victory will be theirs toMorrow. Their only hesitation might be if they actually think I could be the Cobbler.

[Gil-Galad]

heres what we do, as i am certain most of us are following Aganzirs words about SPM, so if Spm proves to be an innocent, then we in turn go after Aganzir, who can try to defend himself but it will be hard seeing how he so adamantly brought SPM into the spotlight


"medium is the seer with a twist" i beleive thats what Rikae said... so how can we be certain that it wasn't a backwards seer working for the wolves?


if we lynch SPM, and the wolves kill Aganzir, who both turn out to be innocent, then we will be set back a bit, and it will be dangerous... i await the deadline with anxiety

[Anguirel]

Gil, you seem to have suddenly taken to listening to Sauce. This is a bad habit. I suppose you could be a wolf as well...groan

I will do some thinking and voting about two hours before the deadline. I do however think that Sauce's banter is clearly bunkum. It seems so implausible to me that he could be a Cobbler yet again that I am currently inclined to regard him as a wolf, after the necessary lateral thinking of course...

There is no way Aganzir could be guilty; surely Sauce's attempt to destabilise this fact shows him up?

I'm thinking about voting Shasta actually, but I fea that would get little support...

[The Saucepan Man]

Gil, you seem to have suddenly taken to listening to Sauce. And so have you by the look of it. :p

At least Gil's trying to think outside the box, unlike anyone else around here, which makes me think slightly better of him.

There is no way Aganzir could be guiltyWhy not? Volo thought that she was when he first received the dream about her. And, if she is, her actions are precisely those that a Wolf in her position would take.

[Aganzir]

Voting thus far:

Shasta ++Gil (Gil-1)
Aganzir ++Spm (Spm-1, Gil-1)
Gil ++Spm (Spm-2, Gil-1)
Kath ++Spm (Spm-3, Gil-1)

Yet to vote: Anguirel, Diamond, Sauce

I'm interested to see how many ordos vote another ordo. Of course we can't know who is ordo and who is not, but by the end of the Day we should know at least something. No one but Shasta has yet voted Gil, and if an ordo votes another ordo, the only reason for the wolves not to vote that very ordo immediately is the possibility of retractions.
If Shasta won't retract his vote and no one else votes Gil, this should prove you toMorrow that either Shasta or Gil is a wolf.


And, if she is, her actions are precisely those that a Wolf in her position would take.
Just for curiosity, I'd like to know what a wolf in my position would exactly do. If you want to make others feel uncertain about me, you should at least explain better. :p

[The Saucepan Man]

Just for curiosity, I'd like to know what a wolf in my position would exactly do. If you want to make others feel uncertain about me, you should at least explain better.Woah! Did someone speak to me ...? :eek: :p

Well, if anyone bothered listening to me, they would see that I explained that very point in my posts #415 and #417. Volo the Medium dreams of a Wolf and misinterprets that dream to conclude that the Wolf is innocent, as does everyone else. What else would the Wolf do but immediately and staunchly support the claim and continue to proceed on the basis of Volo's deductions? :rolleyes:

[Anguirel]

Personally, I am of the opinion that the meaning of that riddle is fairly clear. I mean, it is the great redemptive line about Gollum in Tolkien. As for the "part of his mind which was still his own", as I see it this has to refer to the in-character role. And it doesn't sound conclusively wolfish. No part of a werewolf's mind is still his own, I say!

As a result

++SAUCE

I'm not as convinced as I was of Kath's guilt...that last post seemed fairly genuine. But I am fairly sure Sauce is a wolf not a cobbler. He acted early to quash suspicions of Brinniel, and systematically left her in the lurch, in a lupine manner.

I trust Diamond and distrust everyone else in varying degrees...probably Shasta most.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Morning everyone!

Apparently we're executing SPM after all.

--Gil, ++Spm

As to Ang's heretofore un-backed-up suspicions of me, I'd like to point out that, while I did vote Volo earlier, it was his retraction from Kath, along with Gil's from Mac that resulted in the loss of our Medium. I'm much in favor of Gil and Ang being the last wolves, but I don't have any support, apparently...

[The Saucepan Man]

Aaaaargh! Three amongst you don't have the brains that you were born with. :rolleyes:

It would have been nice to have had a fair hearing.

I see little hope now. The village is almost certainly doomed.

It might still be possible to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, though. Although he or she may have some idea, the Cobbler cannot be absolutely certain who the Wolves are. It's a long shot, but you may be able to use that to ensnare a Wolf toMorrow.

++Anguirel

Good luck!

[Diamond18]

Well, it seems as if my presence today is pretty much unecessary, as SpM is clearly in the lead (5 votes to Ang's 1).

+ + SPM

[Aganzir]

I have a feeling that Kath is innocent, but I may have understood everything I've read wrong. Her behaviour speaks against her sometimes, but there's still something in her that makes me consider her innocent.

At the moment I think that Anguirel is probably innocent.

I don't know what I should think of Diamond. She has managed to slip under my radar quite well.

Currently my main suspects are Gil and Shasta, but I think it's improbable (but not impossible!) that both were Wolves. I'm quite certain that at least one of them is a Wolf though.

I'm pretty sure they will come after me toNight, so I'm taking the risk. This is the last chance I'll have, and I hope I won't fail in it, because if I do, it will result in our loss (unless Sauce is a Wolf).

I choose this Night to hunt, and I will hunt Shastanis Althreduin.

(Don't believe there's still one Gifted role, my dear Wolves? Check the narrations properly. :p In my opinion this is just fair, as there were also four Wolves & the Cobbler.)

You can imagine me banging my head against the keyboard if it turns out that I've been wrong. But, well, maybe there's a little of a gambler in me, too. :rolleyes:

I'm so sorry to post this this late (not only because it will certainly seem suspicious!), but I didn't notice how time had passed, and I'm not a very quick writer. :( I will answer every question toMorrow if I'm still alive.

[The Saucepan Man]

Good move, Aganzir.

My work here is done.

This film shall never be made. Long live comedy Dwarves, shield-surfing Elves and Green Goo Ghosties!

Good luck my suitably Hyaenine friends. :)

Ghoulash anyone? :p

[Rikae]

The Downers had come to a consensus. It was better to kill the cobbler, and prolong their misery for a day or two longer, then to risk certain death on the morrow.

When the final vote was cast, the six executioners looked around for their victim; but the caterer was missing. The downers didn't have to search far, though...Gil noticed the light on in SPaM's trailer.

The soon-to-be malnourished cast and crew gathered around the door with various highly authentic prop weapons; Shasta knocked softly, then louder. Kath shouted "Mellon"! When no response came, Anguirel kicked down the door....

...the cook's trailer was papered with movie posters.
"Bad Taste"
"Heavenly Creatures"
"Lord of the Rings"

On one wall he had pasted a large glossy photo of Mark Ordesky and used it for dart practice.

A long shelf along the back of the trailer held countless grubby, greasy Oscars.

And swinging in slow and graceful circles from the ceiling fan by a noose made of film was the man himself...without his saucepan hat, easily recognized as the nefarious, diabolical Peter Jackson.

He had pinned a note to his chest, detailing how he had spied on some of them by slipping tiny microphones into their succotash and listening in to their nightly activities.

He concluded by exhorting the wolves to stop the production at any cost.

Day5 is over...night6 has begun. Sweet dreams!
*rubs her hands together in wicked glee*

The Cast and Crew

Halls of Waiting:

Rikae (Mod) – CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard (Ordo) – Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen (Ordo) Galadriel– Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)- Sir Boromir, playing Denethor- Set a record for sprinting while on fire on Day2
Durelin (Ordo)- Special Effects Pyrotechnician-Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien (Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog-Took a little tumble on Night3
Brinniel (Wolf)-Wacky Foley Artist – Made a lot of noise on Day3
Xyzzy (Ordo)- Young Fanboy-Left breathless on Night4
Rune (Ranger/Spy)-Tolkien geek who is ecstatic about being an Elf extra - got out of character on Night4
Macalaure (Wolf)- The 7th orc in the 3rd row - Proved remarkably difficult to kill on Day4
Volo (Medium) - Gollum - Pushed, didn't fall on Day4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Ordo)- Sound Master/Saruman - Cut from the theatrical version on Night5
The Saucepan Man (Cobbler/Seer)- Set Catering Manager-Blacklisted on Day5

Walls of Hating:

Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Aganzir - Smeagol
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Rikae]

Alone in the studio, in the wee hours of the morning, Aganzir crouched on a table. She was eathing a raw fish with great relish (sweet Heinz brand hamburger relish); and singing a little song, seemingly completely off her guard.
But just as the two demonic creatures sneaking up behind reached for her, she whirled on them with a snarl and leapt on the closest one, wrapping her hands around its neck.
The other managed to pull her off, but she twisted in it's paws, and scratched and bit like a mad thing.
Despite her valient efforts, though, Aganzir was not a hunter. And when the first wolf finally pinned her down on the ground, she looked in its eyes and suddenly understood - too late - what the phrase the ghostly Professor had sent the night before had meant. Then the beast's enormous jaws descended, and the second medium saw no more.

Night6 is over. Day6 is here. Let the desperation begin...er, intensify! :D

The Cast and Crew

Got off the train in Baltimore:

Rikae (Mod) – CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard (Ordo) – Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen (Ordo) Galadriel– Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)- Sir Boromir, playing Denethor- Set a record for sprinting while on fire on Day2
Durelin (Ordo)- Special Effects Pyrotechnician-Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien (Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog-Took a little tumble on Night3
Brinniel (Wolf)-Wacky Foley Artist – Made a lot of noise on Day3
Xyzzy (Ordo)- Young Fanboy-Left breathless on Night4
Rune (Ranger/Spy)-Tolkien geek who is ecstatic about being an Elf extra - got out of character on Night4
Macalaure (Wolf)- The 7th orc in the 3rd row - Proved remarkably difficult to kill on Day4
Volo (Medium) - Gollum - Pushed, didn't fall on Day4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Ordo)- Sound Master/Saruman - Cut from the theatrical version on Night5
The Saucepan Man (Cobbler/Seer)- Set Catering Manager-Blacklisted on Day5
Aganzir (Medium)- Smeagol - Nassssty wolves hurts us on Night6

Staying aboard, for now:

Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Gil-Galad]

oh wow, another medium... okay... so i am the first to psot too... hmm aganzir was right with his death last night...


(ha, Gollum and Smeagol were both mediums...)

after yesterday, i still would have perfered that we focused on a wolf rather then a cobbler but... if we lose an innocent today then wolves win...

suspicous A:
Shasta
Ang

suspicous B:
Kath
Diamond


i am following my 'trust know one' philosophy right now... but for lack of a better person to vote for, i will probably vote for... this is hard... right now it is between Ang and Kath

Edit: woops meant Ang not Shasta... too much school

Xed with Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Two mediums? Huh.

Evidently the wolves wanted a two-for-one kill; it's extremely lucky for me that Aganzir was bluffing about being a hunter, as I'd be so much dead meat right now. xD

I'm almost positive that Gil is a wolf, but I'll let others have their say before I vote.

Edit: Wow, x'ed with Gil. xD I think you beat me by, like, a millisecond.

[Diamond18]

Wow. Slow day.

Okay, well that was interesting. So, if I recall what Volo said correctly, the medium gets riddles and it's up to them to figure out what it means. This narration seems to point to Agnazir interpreting the riddle incorrectly (And when the first wolf finally pinned her down on the ground, she looked in its eyes and suddenly understood - too late - what the phrase the ghostly Professor had sent the night before had meant.) This makes me inclined to believe that Shasta is innocent because apparently Agnazir believed him to be a wolf.

So that leaves Gil, Kath, and Ang. Of those three, I find Gil and Ang to be the most suspicious. I think there we have our last two wolves.

[Kath]

What the? Another medium? If I ever mod again I'm having just the simple roles and all of them will be clearly shown! I mean, this is great fun, but it's also madness! :D

Ah so. This really sucks but I am just not going to be here for this Day for numerous RL reasons. I apologise for this because it is seriously bad timing.

For this reason I must vote now.

++DIAMOND

She has slid under my radar from the beginning. I've barely even mentioned her. She says I look innocent when most others are thinking I look guilty. I don't know, this just seems like the right thing to do. I apologise that I have no time to base this on real reasoning, but this really is the only time I'm going to be on toDay unless I can sneak maybe an hour tomorrow afternoon.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hmm... Kath's already admitted she's not basing her vote on reasoning, and I don't see the evidence on Diamond... Also, suspicion was drifting towards Gil and Ang. I wonder if this isn't a desperation ploy by Kath to deflect suspicion on a teammate? If we don't execute a wolf today, we lose. Period.

Gil's highest on my suspicious list for his last minute retraction a few days ago, losing us Volo. Then there's Kath, who cast a critical vote just now for the one person whom there's no evidence on. Then Ang, who also made a retraction for Volo a few days ago. Then Diamond, who really hasn't done much of anything.

Right now, I'm torn between Gil and Kath.

[Gil-Galad]

I mean, this is great fun, but it's also madness!

Maddness!? THIS IS WEREWOLF!!!!


just had too

so, diamond has one vote now and everyone else is split between basically me and Ang..., well shasta is between me and Kath


++Ang


i suggest for the rest of you to not vote for any one else, focus on the two that have been voted for, ang or diamond... or be idiots and vote for someone different and have a mass suicide, that will definately show who the wolves are...

[Anguirel]

Gil, "focus on Ang and Diamond" is a ridiculous statement that only a wolf would make. Our votes are retractable - once - and we still have considerable leeway. You are attempting to limit our choices. To me, that screams out your guilt.

Now, the obvious question - did Aganzir know anything at her death? Look over her remarks. It looks a bit like she cleared me, hadn't dreamt of Kath and was preparing to dream of Shasta.

Also, let's think about the wolf rationale here. Did they doubt Aganzir's Hunter claim, in which case Shasta might still be guilty? Was Shasta innocent, allowing them to attack in the expectation of two dead innocents and victory? Did they disbelieve Aganzir's claim and know she'd got it wrong about Shasta?

Why slip into instinct voting now (particularly Gil, who hasn't even any excuse?) This day is crucially important and we need to start reasoning. Look at the dead wolves and their relationships with the suspects...

I trust Diamond, am unsure about Shasta, think Kath looks opportunistic and Gil guilty as sin.

I have failed to convince many of you of my own good intentions; but I think the medium might have cleared me, and I can also remind you that, at the time the wolf Macalaure was claiming to be a Seer and trying to win votes, he said I was innocent. Obviously this could be a nod to me as a fellow-wolf, but that would be a quite risky course of action...

[Anguirel]

Still silence?

I can explain that, I suppose -

Kath is away ( and probably wouldn't talk much as a wolf)

Shasta and Diamond are fairly quiet by disposition (in this game anyway)

I am busy and lazy

Gil is staying schtum which is exactly what he would, as a wolf, do at this point.

I have to act to provoke some action...

++GIL

[Anguirel]

Lord! 40 minutes till the deadline, heading for a randomised triple lynch and not a soul seems to care...

I have no intention of changing my vote to Diamond if there's a fighting chance I can get Gil lynched. 33% isn't that bad, and I have long been a devotee of Lady Luck...

[Diamond18]

Well, I'm all for lynching Gil. I think he's the guiltiest looking one here. And now after Kath's vote I'm more torn than before about her and Ang... though that may be knee-jerk defensiveness. Ang is coming across as a lot more geniune now, at any rate.

Well -

+ + GIL

[Anguirel]

Arrgh...I'm having Doubts...would a wolf-Gil be so obvious in technique...?

[Rikae]

Zombie Gil-Galad had been suspected from the day he refused to take a canonical role. His erratic behavior and strange voting choices made him the logical choice for the day's lynching.

Anguirel quite simply, for lack of anything better to do, grabbed a sword and unceremoniously lopped off the undead elf's head.

The four Downers waited for the transformation...but instead, heard a voice lamenting softly and at a great distance:

"Gil-galad was an elven king, Of him the harpers sadly sing. Last of realms fair and free, Between the mountains and the sea."

The four turned and looked at each other. Di stared at Kath, wide eyed. Kath gazed fearfully at Ang. Ang looked at Shasta....

Shastanis Althreduin grinned, and his teeth seemed unusually sharp and un-elven...
The high Lady Diamond18 began to chuckle quietly, but the laughter ended in a snarl...

FIN

[Diamond18]

MWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA!

That was my favorite game ever.

Sorry Ang. :Merisu:

[Rikae]

Credits

The Losers

Rikae (Mod) – CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard (Ordo) – Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen (Ordo) Galadriel– Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)- Sir Boromir, playing Denethor- Set a record for sprinting while on fire on Day2
Durelin (Ordo)- Special Effects Pyrotechnician-Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien (Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog-Took a little tumble on Night3
Xyzzy (Ordo)- Young Fanboy-Left breathless on Night4
Rune (Ranger/Spy)-Tolkien geek who is ecstatic about being an Elf extra - got out of character on Night4
Volo (Medium) - Gollum - Pushed, didn't fall on Day4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Ordo)- Sound Master/Saruman - Cut from the theatrical version on Night5
Aganzir (Medium)- Smeagol - Nassssty wolves hurts us on Night6
Gil-Galad (Ordo)- Zombie-Gil-Galad - Slain by Celeborn, of all people, on Day6
Anguirel (Ordo)- Celeborn -Found out where Gandalf is on Day6
Kath (Ordo)- Make-up Artist - fired when her services were no longer required (only haircare was needed) on Day6


The Winners

Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double - Survived
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces - Survived
Macalaure (Wolf)- The 7th orc in the 3rd row - Proved remarkably difficult to kill on Day4
Brinniel (Wolf)-Wacky Foley Artist – Made a lot of noise on Day3
The Saucepan Man (Cobbler/Seer)- Set Catering Manager-Blacklisted on Day5

[Aganzir]

I guess the riddle was of Diamond? Well, if it was, I realised it on the moment when I had read my death narration. Don't ask why, but I had thought it was about Kath and that she was innocent. I've never been good at riddles. :(

A wonderful game, thanks for Rikae & fellow players. And congratulations for the Wolves. I was so certain this would end up this way.

[Rikae]

And to think I feared the game was unbalanced in favor of the ordos!
Both sides put up a valient fight; it could have gone either way today. Very exciting to watch as a mod!
I'm happy to answer any questions now. :D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I would have been on earlier to vote Gil, but my aunt was waiting for a phone call. :(

We done good, my siblings. :D

[Diamond18]

I guess the riddle was of Diamond?

What was the riddle?

[Aganzir]

What was the riddle?
All that is gold does not glitter

It was the title of my final post. I hoped that someone would have noticed it and realised why it was there, and maybe figured the wolf out of it. :p

[Mithalwen]

Maybe now people will take lynching quiet players seriously.

Three of the last day players had post counts lower than the moderator! ...and you lynched the only one that wasn't a wolf.... :rolleyes:

Now Rikae.. can you explain what was going on with the gifted?

[Diamond18]

I'm happy to answer any questions now. :D

Did you make SpM the spirit of Peter Jackson on purpose? :D

[Rikae]

I had been planning to make a cobbler/seer that was Peter Jackson before SPaM posted his role, actually. :D

When he did, I thought - hey, why not hide the cobbler in plain sight...

[Anguirel]

God I feel thick...well done Diamond and Shasta.

My worst performance since XIII, surely! Ah, I should have quit while I was ahead. Don't mix werewolf and exams, kiddies...

[Volo]

I knew I knew I knew I knew!! Damn.

You were the best wolves I've ever seen! Congrats!

Not to mention that this was my favourite game! :D Thanks Rikae!

A bit of cheating here and there, for which I myself too have to appologise. Sorry. :(

[Volo]

Oh, and if the riddle was about Di, it was wrong. Diamonds don't glitter, they shine! Make-up glitters. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

But Diamond was in charge of wigs and hairpieces, not makeup... :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

Yay, we won! *high-fives (or is it...high-paws) fellow wolves* :D

Okay, I'm going to find some good quotes from our PMs because I know whenever I'm an ordinary, I enjoy reading the wolves' discussions...

[Rikae]

Now Rikae.. can you explain what was going on with the gifted?
Sure. I'll just post the PM's I sent them...


While being an elf extra is quite fulfilling, it doesn't pay all that well; so you moonlight as a security guard at the studio.

Every night, you can choose to do one of the following:

You may guard the trailer where one of your fellow Downers is sleeping; though you cannot guard the same Downer twice in a row (that would be no fun! :P)

-or-

If you wish, you may spy on one of your fellow Downers instead – in which case, you will learn only whether or not that person has a special role.

You know there is another guard in the studio's employ, whose job description differs slightly from yours, but you have never met him/her. Only if you guard or spy on this person will you learn his or her identity; he or she can learn your identity by guarding you. If you each find out who the other is (officially, from me), you may then PM each other at night.




Good luck!



While playing a non-winged Balrog is quite fulfilling, it doesn't pay all that well; so you moonlight as a security guard at the studio.

Every night, you can choose to do one of the following:

You may guard the trailer where one of your fellow Downers is sleeping; though you cannot guard the same Downer twice in a row (that would be no fun! :P)

-or-

If you wish, you may brutally slaughter the fellow Downer of your choice.

You know there is another guard in the studio's employ, whose job description differs slightly from yours, but you have never met him/her. Only if you guard this person will you learn his or her identity; he or she can learn your identity in the same way. If you each find out who the other is (officially, from me), you may then PM each other at night.




Good luck!



You are possessed by the evil spirit of Peter Jackson.

A sort of cobbler seer, you may learn the role of three players of your choice, on three separate nights. The wolves know who you are, and know you have information for them; but you won't know their identities unless you dream of one. You may not PM them at any time, though. Send me your choices anytime during the night phase.




Good luck!



You are the “medium”.

You have somehow managed to find favor with the spirit of Professor Tolkien.

Every night, opening your copy of “The Lord of the Rings” at random, you will find a passage which tells you the role of one of your fellow Downers. The identity of the Downer will be randomly chosen, and both the identity and the person's role will be found in the quotation(s). These may be obvious at times and might not at others, but the information will be in the passage.

Furthermore, the spirit of Tolkien cannot die, though you can.

If you perish (at the hands of wolves or bloodthirsty Downers), the person of your choice will become the new medium (whether that person is good or evil).




Good luck!

When Volo was lynched, he chose Aganzir as his successor.

[Aganzir]

Oh, and if the riddle was about Di, it was wrong. Diamonds don't glitter, they shine! Make-up glitters. ;)
I associated the false hairpieces with the riddle - the riddle was, after all, about some kind of falseness.
...only after I had died, of course.

[Diamond18]

Maybe now people will take lynching quiet players seriously.

Three of the last day players had post counts lower than the moderator! ...and you lynched the only one that wasn't a wolf.... :rolleyes:

In my case, at least, I would have been that quiet whether I was a wolf or an ordo or a gifted. It was rather lucky, really, that I had such a perfectly honest and good excuse for slipping under the radar. But there was a good mix -- Mac, Brinniel, and SpM were all rather loud. Shasta and I were really the only quiet baddies.

On that note, I want to thank Mac and Brinn for pulling most of the weight early on. Before their deaths they were doing 90% of the talking at Night and during the Day. And Mac's seer ploy worked out much better than I would have thought -- even though he got lynched, he took Volo down with him. I recall sending a PM that Night that went something along the lines of *drinks a toast to Volo's blood, possibly consisting of Volo's blood* -- because I was majorly, majorly relieved to see Volo dead. I'd been gnashing my teeth over the idea that he couldn't be killed right away. So kudos to Volo for being such a thorn in our wolvish sides....

I have to admit (boast?) that I nominated Lommy to be killed and felt an enormous amount of glee when she turned out to be gifted. :D

And I want to thank Shasta for being my sneaky partner in quiet crime, and for agreeing to kill Agnazir even though it looked as if his head was on the line. We spent a bit of time on MSN talking about the how we were between a rock and a hard place -- if she was really a hunter and was hunting him, he'd die, but if we didn't kill her, it would be really hard to avoid a lynching.

Big big thanks to SpM, who is the ultimate Cobbler. Really. You did your job perfectly, Gooseman Jackson. ;)

Most thanks to Rikae, who was a wonderful mod. I loved the premise of the game (I couldn't NOT join) and the narrations were great. Also, this is the first time I've ever gotten to be bad, and to quote Venom: "I like being bad. It makes me happy."

*clutches Downie in furry paws and rambles and gushes in true awards ceremony fashion*

[Brinniel]

If you perish (at the hands of wolves or bloodthirsty Downers), the person of your choice will become the new medium (whether that person is good or evil).
Ah...so that's why there were two Mediums. Now everything is making sense...

[Rikae]

I would just like to add...

This was the Battle of FIVE SEERS!!!!

Four real ones (sort of), and Mac...:D

[Volo]

I would just like to add...

This was the Battle of FIVE SEERS!!!!

Four real ones (sort of), and Mac...:D
And Gil and SPM! :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Clever stuff Rikae.
Pity Lommie got snuffed out so soon....

Notes from Mandos soon after I was killed .. I wasn't able to keep up so completely afterwards... but I needed ot work out some of the total Paranoia in private blog entries.

Why do I have to die so early in such an interesting game? I have never died so soon (apart from when I was righteously lynched of course.) I have never been wrongly lynched. Other times I have either been so clueless and /or batty that the wolveshave kept me alive. Although I have my moments I wouldn't say I was the deadliest of wolfbanes. I will take some credit for picking out Lalwende, and I tend to know when Sauce is a wrong-un but I can go too persistently up the wrong track.
I knew I was doomed - my only hope was that they would go for a "flitter" or Durelin leaving no tracks (of course it is better to kill someone unlikely to be lynched) or that there would be a ranger save. And though Rikae's narration indicates 2 rangery type bods neither of them thought to protect me....

I wonder a lot about Volo's role. He must have some power but I am a little peeved that his main achievement so far was to highlight my innocence/ possible giftedness. I suppose on a film set the Prof might be Cobblerish :( .

I am so sorry that I lost my analysis post - It might have saved me.

I suspect (and it is statistically probable) that there is a wolf among the low level posters. Also sad to say among my closer downer friends who may think I know them too well to leave alive - Boro, Lommie, Ang ...Rune ....

Kath is a friend but she knows I can't read her so I am less likely to be a top priority. Sauce I couldn't call a friend but he reads me quite well as shown when he took my daemon test. He usually attacks me when he is a wolf / cobbler - which didn't happened. However in a game rich in newer players I think he would have preferred to keep me around as one of the old guard I provide a better cover for him.

I still suspect Legate - why has noone picked up on him saying I didn't participate much yesterday?

Of course I was completely wrong about Sauce and was wrong to suspect my friends. Next time I shall have to garner suspicion.... but not too much...

[Rikae]

And Gil and SPM! :rolleyes:Weeeelll...I counted SPM, actually, since he was a real seer. Gil I didn't count because he only "revealed" in jest...:p

[Volo]

Weeeelll...I counted SPM, actually, since he was a real seer. Gil I didn't count because he only "revealed" in jest...:p
Oh, sure, indeed... :o

[Brinniel]

Okay, Night 1.

We didn't really have much to talk about. The main discussion was about SPM, who we knew was the Cobbler/Seer from the very start.

What do we do with SPM?

I'm not sure whether his role works like a common seer. It says he will be "receiving information". Might it be a passive seer who only receives a dream that Rikae chooses for him? I asked her, but she wouldn't tell me any more.
If he can choose whom to dream of, it might be good to have him dream of one of us as soon as possible. I would like to step on his toes to make him dream of me (hopefully without attracting suspicions from anybody else), so we have a tiny ability to communicate by hints during the days. It would be of great help to us, but also dangerous if anybody else notices (then again, neither Roa or Nogrod are in this game).

In the end, SPM turned out to be a great ally...I don't think our win would've been possible without him. :)

SPM- Did you dream of a wolf early on? I'm really curious to see who your choices were each night...

[Mithalwen]

Oh that is a bit of an advantage..... knowing who the cobbler was ..... especially when the ordos had no certainty about their gifted..... :(

I guess my early demise serves me right for keeping the "quest hangs on the edge of a knife" for a later that never came...

[Rikae]

I asked her, but she wouldn't tell me any more.
Weeel, at least he admits to trying to cheat! :p

I'm tempted to answer for SPaM, but I'll let him post his dreams himself...

[Macalaure]

Where is Volo, that young rascal who tricked me! Let justice be done upon him! :D

This was a great game. The plotting, the sneakiness at Day, the desperate last stand with Saucepan... hilarious! Gúthwinë for the Wolves! Andúril for the cobblers! :D

What were your dreams, Saucepan? Whom did you figure out to be a wolf and when?

It's a little disappointing that the game turned out to be so silent on the last Day. Too many noisy players lynched or killed, too much RL-interference... bad luck.

I wonder why nobody ever analysed my posts after my death? :confused:


Oh, and: Won! Won! Wohoooooown!

[Diamond18]

Ah, by the way, my apparent annoyance/taking offense when Agnazir questioned my confusion over Mac and Volo was completely fanged.... er, feigned. She pinned my lie down exactly (I was leaving the door open to switch to Volo if it meant saving Mac, and would have if I had bloody well been able to get online, grr!) and I felt like a truly evil wolf for the first time when I got Agnazir to apologize for being right.

Sorry... (not really, tee hee) :Merisu:

[Diamond18]

I wonder why nobody ever analysed my posts after my death? :confused:

I wondered that too, but decided not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Oh, and: Won! Won! Wohoooooown!

:D

[Rikae]

Oh that is a bit of an advantage..... knowing who the cobbler was ..... especially when the ordos had no certainty about their gifted..... :(

I guess my early demise serves me right for keeping the "quest hangs on the edge of a knife" for a later that never came...
Well, I figured a semi-immortal seer and two rangers would balance it out...
and, after all, if Gil or Ang had voted for Di today, it could have ended quite differently.

I was actually hoping they'd get a wolf today, so tomorrow there would be two ordos and one wolf...that would have been fun to watch. Well, maybe not, with everyone so quiet...oh well.

[Aganzir]

I felt like a truly evil wolf for the first time when I got Agnazir to apologize for being right.
Maybe I should now also mention that I have never heard of a game where the first one to claim to be the Seer is not one, and I guess(ed even then) that neither have you. ;) :p

[Rikae]

Ah, by the way, my apparent annoyance/taking offense when Agnazir questioned my confusion over Mac and Volo was completely fanged.... er, feigned. She pinned my lie down exactly (I was leaving the door open to switch to Volo if it meant saving Mac, and would have if I had bloody well been able to get online, grr!) and I felt like a truly evil wolf for the first time when I got Agnazir to apologize for being right.

Sorry... (not really, tee hee) :Merisu:
Heehee...I did the same thing to...Volo, I think it was, when I was a wolf. I felt a pang of guilt, which was overridden by evil delight...;)


(Oh, by the way...
it's a lot of hard work to mod a WW game, especially one that has a deadline in the early afternoon. I've had to wear a watch for the last two weeks, something I normally don't do, and I had an allergic reaction to it. Oh, how I suffer for you people! I expect adequate compensation. See that little scales symbol in the corner of my posts...?:p )

[Brinniel]

We already know two roles: Volo's and SPM's. Rikae said there would probably be three hidden Gifted roles, but I'm almost certain there are more than that. Do you guys think we have a Seer, Ranger, and Hunter hidden among the Innocents? Five Gifted is a lot, but possible. Also, seeing the uniqueness of the other two roles we know about, I think there's a good chance that there won't be just any traditional Seer, Ranger, or Hunter...
I have to admit that I was unable to make out any gifted-ish hints by anybody (except Volo, of course). There could be anything, I'm afraid.
So we decided quickly not to go after Gifteds. Volo, you really fooled us wolves!

I agree that there is no point in killing Durelin or Volo.

I think there is little sense in killing Boro, Gil or xyzzy. I'm not in the mood for such an un-bold kill.

This leaves me with: Legate, Mith, Lommy, Ang, Kath, Aganzir, Rune

Legate: was widely suspected today, but given Six's innocence, he will be safer tomorrow. He said he is a little suspicious of Kath, so I'm optimistic he will give her a closer look tomorrow. He's suspicious of Brinn and me, and I fear that he is going to increase his pressure on Brinn in the mid-distant future.
I would let him live, for the moment.

Mithalwen: was somewhat suspicious of me, but not too much. Hard to predict whether she will in- or decrease it tomorrow. Mith managed to survive in all of her last three games, so we can kill her with a very good conscience.
She's a good option for me.

Lommy: suspects me a little and will increase it out of sheer habit. Did I read somewhere that she will be away for Day Two?
I'm not too fond of killing her.

Anguirel: is suspected by some, while his own suspicions are off. He will hopefully mix things up and keep a few people from looking for wolves elsewhere.
I would let him live.

Kath: is suspicious of me and will probably be persistent in it. She was one of very few who saw through me in the only game I was a real baddie once. I'm scared of her, but I fear people might look towards me if we kill her.
I'm not too fond of killing her.

Aganzir: thinks Brinn innocent. She's off the track so far, but this might change.
I don't feel good about killing her right now.

Rune: is suspicious of me, but I think this might decrease once he has other things to look at.
I think it's a bad idea to lynch him.

Right now, I'm going to say Durelin, Volo, xyzzy, Gil, Boromir, Legate, Rune, and Ang should definitely be out of the picture for ToNight.

I agree that Kath and Lommy probably should be left alone as well.

Aganzir could be a good kill, but then again, I'm not sure if I want to kill off someone who is (for now) mistakenly on my side...it could work to our advantage.

I'm all for killing Mithalwen- She appears to be quite innocent to most of the others, and I think by killing her, no obvious tracks will be led back to us. (I'm also secretly hoping she's a Gifted, but I have no idea). Anyways, I do agree she's our best choice, but let us see what Di and Shasta have to say..

Yeah, sorry Mithalwen...

[Diamond18]

I erased all of the Wolf PM's from when Mac and Brinn were alive, but I still have the ones between Shasta and I.

Night... er, whatever. Just after Mac died.

Well, we lost Mac, but Volo was bluffing about his second life, so we don't have to worry about a Seer.

Hmm... I'm thinking we should definately go after Aganzir or Legate tonight, preferably the latter as he's louder. I'll wait a while to see if you say anything, xD

I was positively giddy with joy to see Volo dead. I could have saved Mac had I shown up in time to retract my vote and switch it to Volo at the last minute, but I had a very bad morning and couldn't get to the library in time. But maybe that's for the best, as that action would surely have marked me a wolf in everyone's eyes.

I'm also thinking Agnazir or Legate, but I want to read over the thread first to see what's wot. SPM was making Legate into a bit of a scapegoat so it might be nice to keep him... however I believe SPM's argument was somewhat reliant on Volo's guilt. Anyway, probably yes to Legate but I'll see what I think once I've read the thread.

*drinks a toast to Volo's blood... possibly consisting of Volo's blood*

~ Diamond ~

Let's kill Legate.

I'm a little disheartened at how many people we still have to kill, considering how much suspicion we're under (you most especially!) but we'll see how toMorrow goes. Luckily Gil and Ang look pretty guilty what with their voting. Maybe we can work a double lynch in our favor, who knows.

I kinda wish I'd saved Mac, even if it would have made me look very guilty.

I'll be online for another hour and then I won't be back till after the next Day starts, so unless I hear from you if the next hour I'll send Rikae the death pick before I leave.

And so I sent this to Rikae:


We have decided to drink the blood of Legate tonight. May his screams be legendary and his dying pains the stuff of nightmares.

:Merisu:

[Mithalwen]

It is alwasy hard to judge - at least I found so - I had two whitewash games as mods - the wolves won with 3 gifted and the villages with one...

But the uncertainty over gifteds benefits the wolves since they can lie through their miserable fangs.... *cough* Mac

[Diamond18]

Maybe I should now also mention that I have never heard of a game where the first one to claim to be the Seer is not one, and I guess(ed even then) that neither have you. ;) :p

:D

I did Mod a game once where there were two seers, but I only told the players there was one, and that caused horrid, horrid confusion.

[Mithalwen]

It worries me that Mac remembers my last three games and I don't have a clue - I know I died in Fea's game - have I really played 3 since then?

[Volo]

Where is Volo, that young rascal who tricked me! Let justice be done upon him! :D
And we wants to sstrange you! How did you manage that! Just how did you manage that! :mad:

Hmm... I'm thinking we should definately go after Aganzir or Legate tonight, preferably the latter as he's louder. I'll wait a while to see if you say anything, xD
That's exactly what I hoped for!

[Macalaure]

Why do I have to die so early in such an interesting game? I have never died so soon (apart from when I was righteously lynched of course.)Actually, you usually living long was a reason for us to kill you. I always feel bad about the first kill who only gets one day to play, so among the ones whose death wouldn't have done us any harm, we chose the one whom we could kill with the least bad conscience.

Sorry Mith. And sorry Ang, it wasn't meant to spoil your fun. :(


I would like to step on his toes to make him dream of me (hopefully without attracting suspicions from anybody else), so we have a tiny ability to communicate by hints during the days.This would have been fun, but never came to be because Sauce was simply playing too smooth on Day One.


Weeel, at least he admits to trying to cheat! :pI was only aiming at clarification. :p


But the uncertainty over gifteds benefits the wolves since they can lie through their miserable fangs.... *cough* MacI'm sure I could've done the same if the gifted roles had been known to everybody.

[Macalaure]

It worries me that Mac remembers my last three games and I don't have a clue - I know I died in Fea's game - have I really played 3 since then?I checked the last 5 games and noted down how long everybody got to live. You were the only one to survive until the end three times. I don't remember the games or the circumstances.

And we wants to sstrange you! How did you manage that! Just how did you manage that! :mad: Magic. :p

...and a little bit of "help" by Anguirel...

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey, how's a humble Cobbler s'posed to earn a decent living when the Mediums are goin' round stealing his lines? Sinister Seers indeed. ;)

Big big thanks to SpM, who is the ultimate Cobbler. Really. You did your job perfectly, Gooseman Jackson.You are welcome, although I fear that I did not perform as well as I would have liked. I had big plans for making a revelation at some point in order really to spice things up. And I would have done so too, but for two things:

1. My choice of dream victims (Legate, Mac and Anguirel on consecutive Nights) were not the best; and

2. Volo kept putting a spanner in the works with his own ever-changing revelations. :D

I also put in a rather sub-standard performance on spotting the other Wolves. Although I thought Brinniel likely to be a Wolf and and had dreamed of Mac, I was certain for much of the game that the remaining Wolves were Kath and Aganzir. :rolleyes:

Still, it was useful to know that Mac was a Wolf on the Day of his "revelation" (although I would probably have guessed from that anyway), and it was also helpful to know of two innocents that I could concentrate my fire on without risking getting a Wolf lynched. My reason for dreaming of Legate, by the way, was because I thought that he looked Wolfish and so concluded, on the basis of my usual performance, that he might well be the Seer ...

I like to think that I contributed to getting Volo double-lynched with Mac. That said, it came as a massive surprise (and delight) to me when it happened. Contrary to Anguirel's view, I found that Day most exciting and enjoyed myself greatly, even though I knew that I would most likely be dead meat the next Day (better me, of course, than a Wolf).

I thought that someone might possibly go for my alternative interpretation of the dreams on my last Day, but was not overly confident. I actually part-believed my own interpretation of the Aganzir dream, though, still thinking that she might be a Wolf! I also had one worked out for the Legate dream - based on the quote being about Saruman - but he was dead before I got to use it.

As for that last minute "revelation" of Aganzir's , I only just spotted it before I hit submit on my farewell post. I thought that she was probably bluffing, but that if she was not, it was unlikely that she would be naming the person she truly intended to hunt. Had I had more time, I probably wuld have posted as much, but happily Shasta and Di made the right decision anyway.

A wonderful, really enjoyable game - one of the classics in my view - so thanks to all concerned, and particularly to Rikae for coming up with such a great scenario and bringing it off marvellously, and of course to my Hyaenine friends for securing the victory.

Hooorah!

[Rikae]

It worries me that Mac remembers my last three games and I don't have a clue - I know I died in Fea's game - have I really played 3 since then?*raises eyebrow*

Rule of thumb...never be surprised by how much trivia Macalaure knows about Barrowdowners. That man has way too much time on his hands, I tell you. :p

I was only aiming at clarification. :pYou asked me when I was drunk! You ought to be ashamed.

[Diamond18]

Our last night we mostly discussion things over MSN, but there are a few PM's to show:

I really think we still have to kill Agnazir. There's achance she's lying and isn't the hunter or doesn't intend to hunt you at all

if we don't, you'll surely be lynched.

what do you think?

(I was supposed to be working at the time hence the lack of capitalization)


If she's not lying, we're doomed.

I wonder... what if we go after Ang tonight? Tomorrow, I can play the "That's exactly why the wolves didn't kill Aganzir, to pin me!" card... also, we have a better chance of turning a lynch onto Gil or Kath, I think. I think we'd better go back and check the narrations, but she might be bluffing...

Well, it is your neck on the line.... So I'm reluctant to encourage you to die. But I have this feeling that she's bluffing, because didn't we already have an assasin in Lommy? She had a choice between protecting and hunting, and the night she died she was protecting, so she didn't take anyone with her. But what are the chances that Rikae put essentially TWO hunters in the game? That's why I suspect a bluff. Also, Hunters are notorious for lying about their intended hunt, just to see how the wolves will react.

It's a tight spot. If you die I really don't think I can make it till the end, my strength this game is hiding in numbers and the less people there are the more evil I look. Ang says he trusts me and that's why I'm very reluctant to kill him. I don't think he'll want to vote for me but I don't know about the others.

Anyway, I'll IM you since we're both online.

Over MSN we decided that we couldn't get Shasta out of it if we didn't kill Agnazir, so hoped for the best. And got it. :)

[Mithalwen]

Actually, you usually living long was a reason for us to kill you. I always feel bad about the first kill who only gets one day to play, so among the ones whose death wouldn't have done us any harm, we chose the one whom we could kill with the least bad conscience.


Personally speaking that strategy sucks - The one time I haven't been working and the deadline was possible ...I die..... all the games where getting killed early would have been a bit of a relief and saved me busting a gut to get some computer access ... I stay alive... What ever theory you were working on "Murphy's" Law kicked in

and I was having such fun with darling Celeborn...

[Brinniel]

My last Night was the best one...

I don't have Di's PM, but I remember she was pretty happy over lynching Boro.

I admit that once the deadline hit, I burst out laughing. It just worked so wonderfully!

Anyways, I think we've managed to confuse the village quite a bit, which makes me happy, of course.

They lynched Boromir!!

They - lynched - Boromir!!!!


...and almost without any effort from our side!


I love this village!


Brilliant timing, Diamond!



I admit that once the deadline hit, I burst out laughing. It just worked so wonderfully!
I still am.
I think we're having a legitimate shot at winning with little casualties now.


So...we celebrated. :D

And then to business:

As to who we kill, how about Rune or Anguirel?

I'm a little loathe to kill Ang because he's so entertaining and suspicious AND he strongly suspects Brinniel.

On the other hand, I got the sneaky feeling that he is, if not the Seer, perhaps a Gifted of some sort. Which would make him tasty eats.... Also, the village may consider killing him too bold a move for Brinniel. A little bluffing is nice.

Still... I would miss him in the game. Hrmmm. Let's not kill Ang unless no one else seems a better candidate.

I'm not sure about Rune. I'll have to do a little more reading of the thread.

I am in favor of killing Lommy. She suspects Mac vaguely but not anything I think to be worried about... mainly she's not one to have garnered much suspicion herself so like Mith is a fairly safe kill. I believe that Kath is also a good one to consider.

Okay, I would really like to catch a Gifted toNight, but that may be really difficult. We don't know how many unknown Gifteds are out there or even whether they are the traditional roles we know about or not.

Anyways, here's some thought on our Innocents:

xyzzy: If he doesn't show up tomorrow, he'll be mod-killed as well, so I think we should definitely leave him alone.

Legate: Hard to say...could be a Gifted, but I think he's capturing too much attention to be one. I wouldn't kill him toNight for various reasons.

Gil-Galad: Back to his old style, I see. I doubt he's a Gifted and I definitely don't think he would be a Seer. He has had made little effect in the game considering he hasn't even voted yet.

Aganzir: I don't get a Gifted vibe from her either, but I could be wrong. Anyways, I'm hoping some pressure will be placed on her by the village after her vote yesterDay. I don't think it's a good idea to kill her toNight.

Lommy: Hard to say since she hasn't been around much. I don't know if she's a Gifted, but I doubt she's a Seer. She would be a good kill toNight if we don't want to leave tracks again, but not if we want to kill a Gifted.

Kath: I really have no idea about her...could go either way.

Anguirel: I think there's a chance he could be a Gifted, but he's really tough to figure out. He could be dangerous to have stick around and I would like to see him die soon, but toNight...I'm not so sure. And yes, it's mostly because he suspects me and I would like to save my neck and for once make it past Day 3, thank you very much. I'm too scared to kill him...could cause a lot of problems.

Rune: I've been thinking a lot about this, and have come to the idea that he could quite possibly be our Seer. He has suspected Mac since Day 1 and was big on voting for him, before retracting to save his own neck. He has gotten a lot of suspicion, which is typical for a Seer. Also, I know he has been frustrated for some time for not ever having a Gifted roled, and perhaps Rikae decided it would be nice to give it to him...I don't know. But the problem is, if we decide to kill him and he turns out to be an ordo, that could gain a lot of suspicion towards Mac and me considering he did suspect us and us him. But then, if he is the Seer and we don't kill him, considering he was under a lot pressure yesterDay and if that pressure continues, he could end up revealing his role. And if he did reveal himself as the Seer toMorrow, there's a good chance I think he's already dreamt of Mac, and if not, he will, and if he has, there's a good chance he would dream of me toNight, and if that happens, we'd be completely screwed. Oh boy...I'm really stuck here.


Whom to kill, whom to kill? I mainly agree with what Brinniel already said.

Legate of Amon Lanc ~ too wacky theories to be seer, suspected by many, creates distraction, SPM's favourite toy => let him live

Xyzzy ~ leaves no tracks, but sooner or later people will have to deal with him, I can hardly imagine him as a gifted => let him live

Thinlómien ~ not suspected by others, not seriously suspicious of us => good opportunity to kill a dangerous player

Anguirel ~ gifted maybe, but I don't see him as a seer, threat to Brinniel, but I'm not sure how persevering he will be with this suspicion => we should only kill him if we find no one better

Kath ~ not suspected a lot, not suspicious of us => good opportunity to get rid of a truly excellent player

Gil-Galad ~ no intelligent opinion => if we can't find someone better we can kill him

Aganzir ~ regarded suspicious by some, no immediate threat to us, nothing giftedlike in my view => let her live

Rune ~

What Brinniel said.

He might be a seer who has dreamt of me. Also keep in mind that we all are quite inexperienced wolves, so it's possible Rikae made him (never been gifted) into a seer.
If he isn't the seer, then killing him will look like the wolves were afraid of him and that will put a lot of pressure on Brinn and me.
He is also suspected by quite a few

=> Let him live.
I think we will fare better by trying to lynch him than by killing him. This will also be much more fun! The problem is, that he will get a chance to dream of Brinniel.
We are in a good position to put pressure on him tomorrow, maybe forcing him to reveal whether he is the seer.
If that happens, he must have dreamt of me and will declare me a wolf. I will then make a counter-claim of being the seer myself and having dreamt of Rune (saying that was the reason I've been putting the pressure on him). We'll see if I can get through with that. If we kill him and he's the seer, I will be dead anyway.

Risks of this plan:
What if we can't manage to get him into serious trouble?
What if he dreamt of Brinniel tonight?

But then again:
What if he's protected tonight? It's quite possible the ranger is as smart as we are.
A few will interpret the situation exactly the right way, and then we're really screwed because we can't even lynch Rune anymore.


If we kill him and he's the seer, I will be dead anyway.
I didn't think of this earlier, but it is true. All suspicion would turn to you. Of course, Rune did suspect me as well, so I could become suspicious as well, though I wouldn't be at as much risk as you.

If that happens, he must have dreamt of me and will declare me a wolf. I will then make a counter-claim of being the seer myself and having dreamt of Rune (saying that was the reason I've been putting the pressure on him). We'll see if I can get through with that.
Hmm...if we do have to resort to this, indeed it could help buy us time, that is, if the village chooses to lynch Rune. Then they would discover he was telling the truth, we would have a night to kill someone before the village killed off Mac. Now if I am dreamt of and revealed by Rune along with Mac, I don't think they could lynch us both in one Day (I mean, they could attempt a double lynch, but we would be able to do everything in our power to prevent that, even if it meant a self-vote). Then there would be another night and another kill before I would be lynched. And even with two wolves gone, we could still have a shot of winning.

Anyways, I'm thinking that whether he is an ordo or a Seer, killing Rune will have bad results. And as Mac mentioned, there's a chance a Ranger could protect him, and then the results would just prove disasterous. Leaving him alive is risky as well, but at least we would have a shot. I'm just really hoping we're very wrong in these thoughts, and Rune is just an ordinary...


Yeah, we were pretty sure that Rune was the Seer. I must admit, I really wanted to kill him, but either way, we knew it'd be dangerous.

Next:

So, if not Rune, who do we kill? I'm thinking Kath or Lommy are our best candidates. Neither would leave tracks, and I'm hoping one might be Gifted, though perhaps that doesn't even matter anymore. Once again, we're not even sure what kind of Gifteds we have to watch out for.

Kath: Rune has been her main suspect for the entire game. In fact, I think she helped start the bandwagon against him. By killing her, suspicion could be increased on Rune. She thinks Shasta is innocent, though I can't recall if she's mentioned anything about Mac, Di, and me.

Lommy: While she pointed out some suspicions of Mac, she ended up voting for xyzzy. Killing her may lead some tracks back to Mac, but it probably wouldn't be anything obvious enough to get him lynched on that alone.

At this point, I think I would rather kill Kath of the two.


Two more thoughts on them:

Kath was very suspicious of Rune. If she keeps this suspicion up, she will be quite valuable to us.

Lommy is a little strange. She's extremely passive. It's almost like she's holding up a sign saying: "Kill me! I will leave no tracks!". Does she actually want to be killed by us? A hunter?

Given the potential helpfulness of Kath, I would rather take the risk of Lommy.


Do you really think she could be a hunter? If so, killing her could be quite dangerous. I remember Lommy the last time she was a hunter, and she was spot on almost everyday. If she is the hunter, there's a good chance it would mean sacrificing one of us, and we can't afford to lose one of us toNight with the whole Rune situation that could possibly come toMorrow.

In the end, we decided to kill Lommy. I admit, I was half expecting that one of us would be dead when Day 3 arrived. Boy, was I relieved to find out she was a Ranger/Assassin...and we weren't dead.

Killing Lommy and not Rune meant my neck, but I have a feeling that if we had killed Rune instead, it would've been Mac's neck. Either way, there would've been a sacrifice. And in the end, I suppose Lommy was the best choice.

When it comes to surviving WW, I'm doomed. Will I ever break this 3 Day curse? :rolleyes:

Honestly, I expected to get lynched sometime in the game...I predicted if we won, it would be because of Di and Shasta. I just hate that I never get to defend myself...if I go down, I want to go down with a fight. And if I had been there, I would've probably claimed myself as the Hunter or Hunter/Seer. I'm not sure that would've worked, but at least I would've had a fighting chance... Oh well, that's just how things are, and I accept it.

Twice I've been lynched and both times it is because of you, Rune. Seriously...first you decapitate me, then you shoot me. If you want me to like you, you better stop killing me. :p

[Volo]

I seem to have avoided your kill-lists alltogether :D

[Rikae]

Lommy: Hard to say since she hasn't been around much. I don't know if she's a Gifted, but I doubt she's a Seer. She would be a good kill toNight if we don't want to leave tracks again, but not if we want to kill a Gifted.
Bwahahahahhahahhaha! You evil, slavering murderous beasts really got lucky, didn't you.

[Aganzir]

I was certain for much of the game that the remaining Wolves were Kath and Aganzir.
I actually noticed how you kept saying "I think Aganzir is innocent" when others were suspecting me, and I found it somewhat strange. :p


As for that last minute "revelation" of Aganzir's , I only just spotted it before I hit submit on my farewell post. I thought that she was probably bluffing, but that if she was not, it was unlikely that she would be naming the person she truly intended to hunt. Had I had more time, I probably wuld have posted as much, but happily Shasta and Di made the right decision anyway.
It was almost deadline when I came up with that idea and I didn't have much time to formulate my post. Afterwards I thought it would have been better if I had said something like "I will hunt one of these", but then again I was quite certain about Shasta (and I thought they couldn't know for sure if I was only bluffing about hunting him). I thought the Wolves wouldn't probably believe me, but at least I had to try (if I had survived we would have had one "dream" more). And of course I wanted to cause some confusion among the Wolves, if not more than a discussion if they should kill me or not. *insert evil grin*


I wonder... what if we go after Ang tonight? Tomorrow, I can play the "That's exactly why the wolves didn't kill Aganzir, to pin me!" card...
Hah, I thought that had I survived the Wolves might have started accusing me during the day. Like "maybe Volo interpreted the riddle wrong, she indeed is a Wolf and claimed to be the Hunter just that we wouldn't wonder why she wasn't killed!"

[The Saucepan Man]

I wonder why nobody ever analysed my posts after my death?Yes, I was wondering that too. I thought of doing it or of questioning why no one was doing it, but thought it best to leave it with my point that no one except me seemed to be doing any serious (!) analysis.

SPM- Did you dream of a wolf early on? I'm really curious to see who your choices were each night...Well, I have said who I dreamed of, but:

Night 2 - Legate - because I thought that he might be the Seer.

Night 3 - Mac - again, I thought that he might be the Seer, as he seemed to be the only one with any firm defences of others.

Night 4 - Anguirel, to eliminate the outside possibility (as I thought) that he might be a Wolf.

On the first two Nights, I was trying to find the Seer, since this would have been the most useful information that I could have provided to my allies. Unfortunately, Volo had me fooled too, so I had little prospect. By Night 4, with Rune and Lommy dead (the combined Seer, as I thought) I decided that it was best to work on identifying who the Wolves were. Although I very nearly dreamed of Aganzir, on the basis that I still thought that she might be a Wolf.

Anguirel: is suspected by some, while his own suspicions are off. He will hopefully mix things up and keep a few people from looking for wolves elsewhere.Anguirel is always unpredictable. One of the reasons (along with his wit and great approach to the game) that I enjoy playing with him. But, in this game, he was a Wolf's dream ... :D

Well, we lost Mac, but Volo was bluffing about his second life, so we don't have to worry about a Seer.I was absolutely certain, after his second 'revelation' that Volo had no more than one life, and tried to hint as much, thinking (wrongly, as it happily turned out) that he was likely to survive the Day.

I could have saved Mac had I shown up in time to retract my vote and switch it to Volo at the last minute, but I had a very bad morning and couldn't get to the library in time. But maybe that's for the best, as that action would surely have marked me a wolf in everyone's eyes.Absolutely for the best, as it turned out. Kath looked far more suspicious to me, with her flippy-flopping on the issue.

SPM was making Legate into a bit of a scapegoat so it might be nice to keep him... however I believe SPM's argument was somewhat reliant on Volo's guilt.Darn right it was. He was the right choice, most certainly.

But the uncertainty over gifteds benefits the wolves since they can lie through their miserable fangs.... *cough* Mac... although that was rather countered by the lying Gifteds ...

I think it was finely balanced. It could well have gone down to the wire, and either way at the end.

I did Mod a game once where there were two seers, but I only told the players there was one, and that caused horrid, horrid confusion.Indeed. I remember it well. :Merisu:

I really think we still have to kill Agnazir. There's achance she's lying and isn't the hunter or doesn't intend to hunt you at all

if we don't, you'll surely be lynched.Actually, there was a reasonable chance that she might be thought a Wolf who posted that to explain her survival during the Night. Well, that was the way that I was thinking, given that I still thought that she might be a Wolf ...

Oh and Mac ... That last minute pang of conscience of yours that nearly saved Volo. Having Cobblered my little heart out all Day for you, I could have killed you! Ang is Ang, and delightful for it. He deserved no Wolfish accomodation. ;)

[The Saucepan Man]

They lynched Boromir!!

They - lynched - Boromir!!!!


...and almost without any effort from our side!I couldn't believe our luck either. That was the Day I was out (at the cricket, don't you know), so it was a real bonus (sorry, Boro ;) ).

I had my Blackberry at the cricket and was checking the thread every so often. Unfortunately, it takes ages to load and I wouldn't have had much chance of posting, even if I hadn't got rather diverted by the combination of Ali Cook's century and lashings of alcohol ... :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Btw, I might not have been much cop at spotting the Wolves, but Gil was always likely to be innocent, as anyone who had bothered to consider, after Mac's death, the voting record for Day 3 would probably have concluded ... :p