WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[The Saucepan Man]

Another btw ...

Of something like twenty games, thrice a Cobbler, twice a Wolf, but only once a Gifted - and a Hunter at that. :(

[Volo]

*insert evil grin*
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/ih8mcdonalds/bite2.gif This should become an official BD-smiley!

[The Saucepan Man]

Also, I know he has been frustrated for some time for not ever having a Gifted roled, and perhaps Rikae decided it would be nice to give it to him...I don't know.Tut tut Mac. What with your beration of Volo for using the same kind of reasoning in the game thread ... :D ;)

Edit: Actually, that was Brinn's quote ... but ...

He might be a seer who has dreamt of me. Also keep in mind that we all are quite inexperienced wolves, so it's possible Rikae made him (never been gifted) into a seer.

[Volo]

Having Cobblered my little heart out all Day for you, I could have killed you! Ang is Ang, and delightful for it.
I actually oppose. It was extremely frutrating when he stated that he didn't suspect me in the least. You aren't supposed to vote for a real person but their WW role.

[The Saucepan Man]

Legate of Amon Lanc ~ too wacky theories to be seer, suspected by many, creates distraction, SPM's favourite toy => let him live :D

Indeed.

[Volo]

Tut tut Mac. What with your beration of Volo for using the same kind of reasoning in the game thread ... :D ;)
Yeah, sorry for those. As you see, they are often thought of by players. I think you, Espiem should add this and the other unwritten rules (all the ones I broke) into your sticky post.

[Boromir88]

Very very nice game Rikae. I'm sad I had a short run at it. Though I must say I wasn't as surprised as the wolves about being lynched. I saw it coming as I couldn't participate in the fashion that I normally do. Plus with retractable votes and an inability to be around late when all the action and vote changing takes place it was going to be very easy to get me lynched. Now I exactly know how Morm felt. Really you silly villagers must stop that tendancy :p .

Is it awful of me to actually be glad the baddies won this one? I mean really I thought they all played great and deserved this win. I think the baddies defended me more than my own side did :rolleyes: . I only got to fully read a couple days after my death and the rest of the time I popped in to check the narrations and see who was dying off. From what I did read just a superb job by the wolves.

After I was lynched I was thinking Mac and Ang were wolves. Mac because of the way he defended me at the end. Which case I thought the same thing as Di and that Mac was all too sure of my innocence. Which got me to coincidentally to think Di was innocent because I thought the same and I was telling myself, everyone listen to Di!! Then when Mac came out to claim he was the seer just a great job handling that entire situation and excellent planning.

I began to think SpM was a wolf after my death and he was going after Legate. He was correct that Legate was the main champion behind my lynching. Even so, I just thought Legate was confused on the way I play and therefor was a misled innocent. And SpM going after him just looked like something a wolf would do because he was perfectly correct. I guess you could say I was half right there.

Other than that though I probably would have never guessed Di, Shasta, and Brinniel as the other wolves if I was still in the game. I mean really a dominating and well executed performance by all the baddies.

[Rikae]

I'm sad I had a short run at it.
How punny you are! Thank you very much for your praise...:D

[Macalaure]

Oh and Mac ... That last minute pang of conscience of yours that nearly saved Volo. Having Cobblered my little heart out all Day for you, I could have killed you! Ang is Ang, and delightful for it. He deserved no Wolfish accomodation.As Volo said. I felt like we weren't really deserving our success. We could have gone down in honorable and sportsmanlike defeat. :D

Btw, I might not have been much cop at spotting the Wolves, but Gil was always likely to be innocent, as anyone who had bothered to consider, after Mac's death, the voting record for Day 3 would probably have concluded ... ... as could have my obvious usage of Gil as a scapegoat. But nobody bothered to take a look at me. :smokin:

Tut tut Mac. What with your beration of Volo for using the same kind of reasoning in the game thread ... Fairness within the wolves' plotting? Ha! :p

[Mithalwen]

Very very nice game Rikae. I'm sad I had a short run at it. .
...Boromir turned and ran 1000 yards down the length of the studio roof, then turned and raced back again, by now completely clothed in flame. He turned a third time and sprinted back again, showing no signs of slowing. Some of the Downers could not refrain from cheering as he completed a final lap, and set the record for the first mile run in under three minutes while in flames.

Are you sure? By my reckoning that is nearly 2 miles... ;) which is long in my book - I only run taps these days....

[The Sixth Wizard]

Nobody seems to realise here, the lackeys at Hollywood won! Those dwarf-throwing, dwarf-needs-box-ing, dwarf-under-warg-ing, dwarf-on-twitching-orc-with-nervous-system-ing, dwarf-desecrators beat us! Gah!

I tried to keep up with this game even though I was killed Day 1, and it was very good, Rikae, you had some ingenious roles! I especially like the spirit of Peter Jackson...

SpM was completely bamboozling the lot of yeh...

Shame Lommy died so early...

On to the next WW game!

[Rikae]

On to the next WW game!No! Continue stroking my ego for another couple of hours...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I actually noticed how you kept saying "I think Aganzir is innocent" when others were suspecting me, and I found it somewhat strange. :p



It was almost deadline when I came up with that idea and I didn't have much time to formulate my post. Afterwards I thought it would have been better if I had said something like "I will hunt one of these", but then again I was quite certain about Shasta (and I thought they couldn't know for sure if I was only bluffing about hunting him). I thought the Wolves wouldn't probably believe me, but at least I had to try (if I had survived we would have had one "dream" more). And of course I wanted to cause some confusion among the Wolves, if not more than a discussion if they should kill me or not. *insert evil grin*



Hah, I thought that had I survived the Wolves might have started accusing me during the day. Like "maybe Volo interpreted the riddle wrong, she indeed is a Wolf and claimed to be the Hunter just that we wouldn't wonder why she wasn't killed!"

Nassssty? Me? :rolleyes:

Seriously, though, great game Rikae.

Unfortunately, that bit about me having mono is true. =(

I think a lot of our success in the beginning was definately due to Mac and Brinn... thanks guys.

Di was the perfect silent partner! *lick*

And, SPM, you can make me a pair of shoes anytime. XD

Kath is right. I am bouncy. *bounces*

[Kath]

Urgh I knew I was going to miss all the action! Ah well, at least I had Di pegged by the end. Gut reactions are wonderful things, if only I'd had time to find some reasoning for others!

Well done wolves, that was a masterful piece of evil-doing!

And well done Rikae, fantastic modding with a great storyline. However, if you ever mod again I'm going to threaten you with bodily harm if you even hint that there is more than one Seer! :p

[Gil-Galad]

i was going to vote shasta, but last game you take it very seriously and launch a revenge-vote half the time and i didn't want to waste it...


but still, i survived quite long, even though the two wolves wanted my head really bad...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

We just thought you, with your low amount of posting, were a good scapegoat. :) Nothing personal.

Me? Take WW seriously? Pfft. :rolleyes:

[Rikae]

Was ist das? Blasphemy! WW is serious, my dear young man.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Indeed! Werecat are a serious thred!

[Brinniel]

I seem to have avoided your kill-lists alltogether
Yeah, well we thought you couldn't die, so we decided to automatically avoid you altogether. Good job...you really fooled all us baddies. :rolleyes:


Lommy: Hard to say since she hasn't been around much. I don't know if she's a Gifted, but I doubt she's a Seer. She would be a good kill toNight if we don't want to leave tracks again, but not if we want to kill a Gifted.
Bwahahahahhahahhaha! You evil, slavering murderous beasts really got lucky, didn't you.
Heh...it's true (or at least I'll say that for myself...I'm not sure about the others). I actually thought that between Lommy and Kath, Kath would more likely be Gifted (but definitely not a Seer since she was so off about Rune ). Then Mac suggested she might be the Hunter, and that scared the crap out of me. I spent the hours after submitting the kill second-guessing myself, wondering if we should've taken the risk with Rune. So yes, we really were lucky. :)

[Volo]

As Volo said. I felt like we weren't really deserving our success.
Never than! You did deserve it! :)

[The Saucepan Man]

I actually oppose. It was extremely frutrating when he stated that he didn't suspect me in the least. You aren't supposed to vote for a real person but their WW role.

As Volo said. I felt like we weren't really deserving our success. We could have gone down in honorable and sportsmanlike defeat.I disagree. I have always been a great believer that you take your fellow players as you find them, as that is what adds so much interest to the game. That is Ang's way. It makes him great fun to play with and can go both ways as it can bring him spectacular success against the odds sometimes.

Yeah, sorry for those. As you see, they are often thought of by players. I think you, Espiem should add this and the other unwritten rules (all the ones I broke) into your sticky post.No, I think that when you start legislating what evidence players can use and what they can't, particularly when it comes to past games, things get far too complicated and there would be too much scope for dispute. You can't stop players thinking about things like this, so I see little reason to prevent such thoughts being posted. It's up to the other players to make up their minds whether it has any value or not. I used similar arguments myself, based on the likely balance of the two teams, in order to try and discredit your claim, Volo.

Oh and Volo. Credit where credit is due. You played a very sneaky game, but wonderfully so. It was a great strategy and, when you caught Mac out, I thought that our game was up. If only I had got there before Mac, I would have been the one to make the competing Seer claim ...

I actually thought that between Lommy and Kath, Kath would more likely be Gifted (but definitely not a Seer since she was so off about Rune ). Funnily enough, Kath's single-minded pursuit of Rune made me think at first that she might be the Seer, and I nearly dreamed of her instead of Mac on Night 3. It was when Rune was proved an innocent Gifted that I began thinking Kath a likely Wolf.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Was ist das? Blasphemy! WW is serious, my dear young man.

Yes, but I separate the two. I take WW seriously, just... not to the point where I hold grudges against people across games (too much... XD)

Edit:

Also, Ang...

If Sauce, Shasta and Kath are not our remaining foes I will eat my bowtie and my nice waistcoat with its silver buttons.

Would you like some ketchup with that outfit? :D

[Thinlómien]

That was great.

Rikae - the narrations were hilarious. :D Though, I must say that when Agan phoned me and told me the brief version of my death narration it sounded more than little pervertic... ;)

Kudos for the magnificient wolves and the amusingly cunning mediums and for the great cobbler and for everyone actually, since that was a great game. It was a pity I died so early - the game looked so intriguing and I would have loved to try my role more (I've never before been a ranger by the way...).

I have to admit (boast?) that I nominated Lommy to be killed and felt an enormous amount of glee when she turned out to be gifted. Now I know who I will try to get rid of in the next ww-game... ;)

Oh, and I can't just believe Legate was an ordo. His behaviour baffled me a lot. He was jumpy like a wolf but careless like an ordo. I suspected him on Day1, but then (I thought) the puzzle was solved - that exactly is the behaviour of a gifted! So I protected him on Night2 and quite changed my opinion on Day2...

I'm very glad Kath was innocent, because I protected her the night I died. I also considered protecting Ang - they both looked quite innocent and possible kill targets based on innocentishness (aside for me, I was acknowledging the danger of getting killed myself). But I considered killing Volo (to test him) that night! I almost did it, since I believed he was either the reincarnation of Tolkien or a bluffing wolf, but happily I changed my opinion on the last minute, thinking the risk of him being a gifted is a bit too big. I'm so glad I didn't kill him!

Those wolf pms are so funny by the way.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hah, it would have been GREAT if Lommy had killed Volo. I think I would have died of laughter. *snicker*

[Rikae]

Though, I must say that when Agan phoned me and told me the brief version of my death narration it sounded more than little pervertic... ;)
Perverted? Why ever would you say that??

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

My reason for dreaming of Legate, by the way, was because I thought that he looked Wolfish and so concluded, on the basis of my usual performance, that he might well be the Seer ...
Oh, and I can't just believe Legate was an ordo. His behaviour baffled me a lot. He was jumpy like a wolf but careless like an ordo. I suspected him on Day1, but then (I thought) the puzzle was solved - that exactly is the behaviour of a gifted! So I protected him on Night2 and quite changed my opinion on Day2...
I'd like to clear here one thing a little bit, it was actually sort of a bait from me and I really thought like that, I wanted to cause attention and (possibly) look as if I were a Gifted... I had a plan of luring wolves out, of course... from what I see, it worked only a little bit (though somehow yes: it worked on SpM and the Wolves also a little bit thought about me being a Gifted, though not as much as I hoped). Well, it was just a try. Funnily enough, looks like Lommy was the only one to think exactly how I imagined/wanted/supposed people to think, which, though it proves a nice empathic link, in her case as a Gifted, was not quite my intention...

I just thought Legate was confused on the way I play and therefor was a misled innocent.
All too true... :o However good my intentions were, apart from SpM and Mac, I ended mostly suspecting innocents (and SpM also isn't much of a win).

[Thinlómien]

Perverted? Why ever would you say that??
Well, Agan can make anything sound perverted... ;) (Seriously, I think it had mostly do with her focusing on things like the attractive ill-fitting polyester uniform...)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Thanks for making me a gifted. . .it was so nice to finaly try it, even though it ended in tears.

I must say this was an interesting game, unfortunately i did not follow the ending as I got sick and my ear-drum ruptured and for some reason that made me stay away fro BD and LJ. . . dunno why.

There was a lot of interesting roles and good preformances, but also a lot of frustrating things and I must admit that I was left stunned by some of the desitions of the village. . . .

I am kind of sad that I did not get a few extra nights to spy as my next targets where Mac and then Di. . .Shasta I never had a clue about.

If I may talk just a tad bit more about my self, then I will do so. . . I must say that these last few games of ww have really given my ww-ego a boost. Not only have I saved my own neck twice by getting Brinniel lynched, but I have also been alright at picking out wolwes.

Oh and Lommy, I am so sorry I did not protect you that night. . .I was so close to doing it, but agreed with my self that spying was so much cooler.

I belive my message to Rikae was something like this:

Tonight I will spy on Lommy, I can do that right?
If not then I will protect her. . .
For me there where three people that really stood out in this game and preformed at the highest level and that was Shasta, SPM and Rikae!

Shasta, simply because I had no clue what so ever. .

SPM. . . never have I been so convinced by cobblerish arguments

Rikae because she has nice hair! oh yeah and she was also OK as a mod :p

[Brinniel]

I must say that these last few games of ww have really given my ww-ego a boost. Not only have I saved my own neck twice by getting Brinniel lynched, but I have also been alright at picking out wolwes.

Killing me boosted your ego? Pfft. Perhaps I should remind you that each time you've helped gotten me lynched, the next Night is followed by your own tragic death. :p

But don't worry about me, one day I will have my revenge. Yes...I can promise you that. :D

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I think you are mistaking "tragic death" and "Heroic death"

[Brinniel]

Well, maybe this time around that is so (though I cannot personally see it that way, as I was rooting for the other team), but as for the time before this one, I wouldn't consider helping lynch a poor innocent heroic. :p

[Rikae]

Thank you Rune. Compliments will not get you a special role in The Lost Age II, though...

I can't believe I forgot to mention how the wolves' quest stood on the edge of a knife on Night3! An hour before the deadline, Macalaure PM'd me the following:


I totally forgot that the pick has not been sent yet. :o :rolleyes:

I'm still discussing last things with Brinn, but you can count with either Kath or Lommy.


I'm sorry... :(


~ Mac
Now, Lommy had already told me she was protecting Kath! So, naturally, I waited quite anxiously for Mac's next PM... I was kind of hoping they'd choose Kath, because I thought no wolf kill would compensate for the need to modkill Durelin that night, blus I was rooting for the village that day. (I generally root for whichever side appears to be losing...this game I kept switching sides, which pleases me as a mod! A close game is a good game.)