Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[The Saucepan Man]

The events of the previous Night had confused and bewildered the delegates, and there was much discussion of what had occurred. Mention was even made of the old tome of knowledge, Wikipedia, in case it might shed any light on the mystery. Alas, it did not. And so it was not long before the debate turned to the question of who should be lynched.

Once the votes had been cast, it was decided that Kath should be the one to face death this Day. Her provenance had remained a mystery, and so the other delegates were mistrustful of her.

“She’s a witch! Burn ‘er!” screeched Nogrod.

“Don’t start that again!” cried The Sixth Wizard, aghast. “This are a serious narrative.”

“By what authority do you …?” began Mithalwen, but was hastily silenced by the others present.

Unfortunately, the delegates had still failed to construct any suitable means of execution, and so the talk turned once again to how Kath’s death should be brought about. After some time, it was agreed that Nogrod’s suggestion was actually the best that they had to work with. And so wood was gathered and a pyre hastily assembled. A struggling Kath, bound and gagged, was brought forward and tied firmly to the stake.

But, as the flames began to lick at her legs, Kath somehow managed to work free the gag from her mouth. Fixing the assembled throng with a defiant glare, she spoke in a voice both calm and contemptuous.

“Fools!” she said. “I am no witch. I am a Priestess! And I serve the true Lord of Middle-earth. His throne is far from here, but this land will fall to Him ’ere long. You puny woodsmen and your paltry villages are no match for the might of Mordor. I have seen in my dreams the wonder and the terror of what He has wrought here. And those among you who do not serve Him will yourselves share that knowledge all too soon - as red claws rend your flesh and black fangs close about your heads. Wolves, I have done what I can to aid you. My work here is done. May the Hounds of Udun be joined and flourish here in the name of Sauron the Great …!”

And with these words, Kath’s body was consumed in a flash of flame and smoke. The onlookers gasped and backed away as a flaming red eye appeared in the conflagration and they felt the withering intensity of its stare. Momentarily, however, it was gone and nothing remained of Kath but a pall of thick black smoke. The delegates watched as for a moment the plume of smoke wavered, looking to the South-East. But from the South-East came a cold wind, and it bent away, and with a sigh dissolved into nothing.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)

The living:

Mormegil
Rikae - the naughty delegate from the village with the unlikely name of Castle Anthrax
Aganzir - the Dwarf delegate of a Woodsmen village
Gil-Galad
Shastanis Althreduin - the extremely detail-oriented centaur delegate from the Plains
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien - the Delegate of INSTRAW
Legate of Amon Lanc - the De-Legate of Amon Lanc
Isabellkya - the delegate from the village Kyaq
the guy who be short - the delegate from nearby Necropolis
Mithalwen - the delegate of an anarco-sydicalist commune, taking her turn as a sort of executive officer for the week
Feanor of the Peredhil - the slightly offbeat delegate who offers controversial suggestions to the moot regardless of lycanthropic tendencies

Night 2 has begun. Players of the Night, do your thing.

[The Saucepan Man]

As the delegates gathered in the council chamber, it was immediately apparent that two more of their number was missing. Once again, those present trailed nervously to the absent delegates’ huts, fearing the worst.

The occupant of the first lay on her bed, her face contorted in a rictus grin. At first it was assumed that she had died in great agony. But further inspection revealed three sticks strewn about the room, each bound at the end with a cluster of chicken feathers. Slowly, it dawned on the delegates that the expression on Rikae’s face was not one of pain, but of pure, unremitting, deadly laughter. The naughty delegate from the village with the unlikely name of Castle Anthrax had been tickled to death.

The second hut was decked about with many herbs and plants of the surrounding woodland. Sprigs of mistletoe and belladonna there were, bunches of ivy leaves, mandrake roots, holly berries, garlic cloves, mustard seeds and rose petals. Jars and bottles of strange powders and potions lined the shelves. The occupant of the hut was slouched forward at the table, upon which were set a mortar and pestle, a bowl of dark liquid and yet more herbs and plants.

“Phew, strong stuff!” exclaimed one of the delegates, sniffing the contents of the bowl.

“No wonder he’s overslept,” laughed another. “Looks like he’s going to have a mighty hangover.”

“Rouse yourself, good sir,” said a third, shaking the prone man by the shoulder. “’Tis time to…”

But her words died in her mouth as the man’s body slumped back, and those crowded round him gasped with horror. Where the man’s eyes should have been, there were now only empty, hollow sockets, and it was clear that his sightless slumber was the sleep of the dead. With a further cry of disgust, the delegate who had been examining the bowl dropped it on the table. As its contests spilled over, de Legate of Amon Lanc’s eyeballs slowly surfaced and stared grimly up at them.

De Legate had been a far seeing Druid of Radagast, but now he saw no more.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Ordinary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)

The living:

Mormegil
Aganzir - the Dwarf delegate of a Woodsmen village
Gil-Galad
Shastanis Althreduin - the extremely detail-oriented centaur delegate from the Plains
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien - the Delegate of INSTRAW
Isabellkya - the delegate from the village Kyaq
the guy who be short - the delegate from nearby Necropolis
Mithalwen - the delegate of an anarco-sydicalist commune, taking her turn as a sort of executive officer for the week
Feanor of the Peredhil - the slightly offbeat delegate who offers controversial suggestions to the moot regardless of lycanthropic tendencies

Day 3 has begun. Nightly activities must cease. You may start talking.

[Thinlómien]

Well, I must say I was slightly surprised by those kill choices.

And who was killed by whom?

Whatever the Priestess of Sauron was, she was not the one to kill people, or that's how I see this.

Legate was a... seer? I'm not too happy to lose him. :( Maybe someone should go through his posting. I would, but it'll take time and Noggie sure wants to comment something soon. Maybe I'll do it a bit later.

[Volo]

Drat! Not only did I just inspect Legate, but I nearly made a good case against him. :(
Well, back to inpecting him to find some answers to whom he dreamt about.

Do you think think that the Priestess of Sauron was more than just a Cobbler? Does it feel a bit Seerish too?

I think we can forget the Assassin. This deffinitely looks like a Bear or something wicked. :(

Anyway, I'll go to sleep. But just noting that Nogrod is either extremely lucky or Innocent. And that at the moment Feanor and Mith look lynch-worthy.


EDIT: Xd with Lommy

[Volo]

Off by memory (as I just read through everything by Legate, two times), I'd say that he dreamt of Boromir - Innocent.

[Thinlómien]

I think the Priestess of Sauron was some kind of cobbler, possibly with the knowledge of the wolves' identities... would that explain Kath's unsincerity?

And before anyone does that I must say I would examine Kath's posts very cautiously, if at all, since if - as I assume - she was somekind of cobbler - especially if she was one with knowledge of the wolves' identities - it can mislead us and it can mislead us a lot.

edit: xed with Volo's later post

[Volo]

Ok, let's say something about Feanor and Mith.

Feanor: No suspicions or help what so ever. Hey, if you want us to love you, give a reason. ;) Votes easy prey. Not helpful - not Wolf? Well, she herself opposed that logic... :rolleyes:

Mith: Many posts. Content? No. Nothing at all really. Her suspcions go as the trend goes, or at least follow my thoughts. Both votes safe.


EDIT: Xd with Lommy

[Aganzir]

I think we can forget the Assassin. This deffinitely looks like a Bear or something wicked. :(
Unless the assassin doesn't kill every Night.

I guess he dreamt of either Boro or Rikae, since they seemed to be the ones he trusted the most. This would however point rather to Rikae:
Well, I don't know... Boro seems quite ok to me, but you do as well... from the beginning I feel it more like a two-innocent skirmish... though I am more sure with you than with Boro... but still he seems innocent to me...

[Thinlómien]

Volo - have you dropped your eccentric style or not? Clearing that up would help a lot. :Merisu:

edit: xed with Aggie

[Volo]

When examening Kath, it should be done very carefully.

Kath hasn't given much straight-forward suspicions either.

Day1 is pretty much 0 as the suspicions go. Votes Rikae in post #55.

Day2 is also just as wierd. Suspects Sixth and Lommy in post #131.

But my notes say that that is about it... Don't feel like analysing her closer.¨


EDIT: Xd with both ladies.

[Thinlómien]

Didn't Kath suspect Noggie as well?

[Volo]

Unless the assassin doesn't kill every Night.
So evilly? It really looks like the work of some really evil creature if you ask me, unless Sir SPM wants to confuse us.

Volo - have you dropped your eccentric style or not? Clearing that up would help a lot.
Yeah. Bad habit.

Didn't Kath suspect Noggie as well?
*slap* Sure, my notes were made early during Day2. No wonder I didn't mention that...

[Volo]

I guess he dreamt of either Boro or Rikae, since they seemed to be the ones he trusted the most. This would however point rather to Rikae:
Good catch! Maybe even too good, eh? But then again, I've caught you Innocent for gloating before... :rolleyes: :)

Indeed looks like Rikae is one worth being suspected of being Innocent.

[Volo]

Oh. Dang. Rikae IS Innocent. *slap*

[Aganzir]

So evilly? It really looks like the work of some really evil creature if you ask me, unless Sir SPM wants to confuse us.
Yep. What I meant was that on Night 1 there were three kills, and now only two (and we have no real knowledge who killed on Night 1). There may be an assassin who killed no one toNight.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Feanor: No suspicions or help what so ever. Hey, if you want us to love you, give a reason. ;) Votes easy prey. Not helpful - not Wolf? Well, she herself opposed that logic... :rolleyes:
Hi there. You should love me because I'm so darned cute.

And the reason I haven't been around much is mostly that the cycles begin and end at 6:30 PM my time. The only computer I have access to is beyond my parents' bedroom and my mom crashes around nine (ah, old people). If I can't get on between those times, my play-time is limited to the second half of each DAY, and if something comes up (ever-likely)...

Here's my trouble: I generally only play in villages with limited roles, so I never mastered what roles are even within the possibility space of this game. I'm still crooked on a cobbler, much less thieves, priestesses, and druids.

So we have ordinary innocents (I'm ridiculously glad to see I'm not the only one, even if the only way I know is spotting dead people. For a brief moment, I was concerned that everybody had a different role and the point of the game was to kill everyone and see what happened).

We have at least one more werewolf[e].

Druid acts as seer, judging by the eyes being gouged out in the night. So our seer is dead. Is there anything to say we don't secretly have another one somewhere?

The Thief did... what?

And Sauron's Priestess was... an ally to the wolves? Maybe?

It's killing me to know that these roles existed and to have no idea at all what their point was.

Villagers screw up, wolves manipulate, seers see, hunters hunt, rangers protect, mythos steal roles. That's really as much as I've got down.

Did I miss anywhere where it told us how many gifteds there are, if not what they are?

[Volo]

Yep. What I meant was that on Night 1 there were three kills, and now only two (and we have no real knowledge who killed on Night 1). There may be an assassin who killed no one toNight.
True. Though it looks much more that this Night lacked the Durelin mess.

Argh. Good night. Like you can see, I'm getting a bit drowsy here.


EDIT: Xd with Fea

[Thinlómien]

Yeah. Bad habit.
So does that mean yes or no? :rolleyes: :p

[Thinlómien]

And we can't even assume that wolves killed Legate because he was getting too close as it's not sure if it was the wolves who killed Legate or someone else... And I don't know if we should drop the idea of two rival wolf teams (maybe 2 wolves per team) yet...

[Volo]

So does that mean yes or no? :rolleyes: :p
Yes. And next you'll ask "yes what?".

I dropped the thing.


And what seems pretty probable is that the two kills are organized by one band. And there is at least one great Seer-hunter in the band of Wolves.

It looks a bit improbable that both the Seer and the Seer's dream are killed by chance.

So, I advice you to think of who might be such a player who both looks suspicious and can find the Seer when Wolf. (the suspicious part is not even essential)


Ok, now pretty truly good night.


EDIT: Xd with Lommy.

[Thinlómien]

Yes. And next you'll ask "yes what?".
I dropped the thing.Thanks. For both dropping it and explaining. :)

Now I'll go to sleep and let Noggie roam free. I'll be back.

[Aganzir]

Kath's last words:
Wolves, I have done what I can to aid you. My work here is done. May the Hounds of Udun be joined and flourish here in the name of Sauron the Great …!”
Based on this I'd say there are two wolf groups that aren't necessarily competing but don't know each other either... Unless one can use word "hound" for bear in this strange language? I guess not?

[Isabellkya]

And we can't even assume that wolves killed Legate because he was getting too close as it's not sure if it was the wolves who killed Legate or someone else... And I don't know if we should drop the idea of two rival wolf teams (maybe 2 wolves per team) yet...

The occupant of the first lay on her bed, her face contorted in a rictus grin. At first it was assumed that she had died in great agony. But further inspection revealed three sticks strewn about the room, each bound at the end with a cluster of chicken feathers. Slowly, it dawned on the delegates that the expression on Rikae’s face was not one of pain, but of pure, unremitting, deadly laughter. The naughty delegate from the village with the unlikely name of Castle Anthrax had been tickled to death.

So just from the narration we can assume that whoever (whomever?) killed Rikae; was done by a group of three. It could be done by one person I guess; but why leave three sticks at the scene of the crime? If there are two rival wolf teams; which so far there have been atleast two deaths each night.. then logic could/would lead to believe that two rival wolf teams with three per team = about six wolves altogether. Just my thought for the moment. I don't know how the wolf/bad teams are usually created here if/when you have more than one. Is it normally equal numbers for each team; or does it just depend on the MC? The past games I have played elsewhere; when it comes to the bad teams; the numbers are usually equalized.

[Nogrod]

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[Aganzir]

then logic could/would lead to believe that two rival wolf teams with three per team = about six wolves altogether.
Even though this was a village of 20, six wolves would be really much. How many innocents there usually are against one wolf? Five? With six wolves it would be one wolf against about three innocents, not to mention two nightly kills...

Can the wolves kill each other during the Night? If they don't know who the others are (see my post above) that could be possible I think. Now Menel is the first thing that came to my mind, but on the other hand his death narration doesn't look very much like that his death was caused by wolfish creatures.
Wolves killing each other would however balance the situation, even if there were six (or five, as Menel's dead) wolves. In the best case they could do our job and finish each other off. :D

...or then not.
There are 13 of us still alive. If there were two wolf packs with three wolves in both, we'd still have five wolves left.
If we lynch an innocent toDay and the wolves kill two innocents toNight, toMorrow there would be 10 left - five of them wolves. Now I don't know if the wolves could win as separate groups even though the number of them matched the number of the innocents, but I'd rather not take the risk.

It's 3.45 am, the sun is rising, birds are singing, and I have to wake up way too early 'cause I'm going to see Lommie and some other friends of ours at noon. I'm not sure if I'll have time to post anything in the morning, but I'll be back by evening.

[mormegil]

Or there could be a good guy that has license to kill and he/she killed the first night.

or there is only one wolf pack with 4 in it and they can kill two per night until they only have 2 left

or Sauron himself is here and he killed the seer

or Rikae intentionally tickled herself to death

or I'm rambling on purpose to prove a point.

Seriously, I always wonder why we get so distracted. Is somebody guilty or innocent is really all that matters, only by killing off the guilties will we know the truth. We are avoiding the truly important topic and focusing on things that don't really matter. Does it seem to anybody else that Thinlo and Volo are having a bit too much fun in all this and that they are the leaders in diverting our attention? Thinlo seems a bit off to me to be honest but, to be fair she is one I find suspect almost all the time but so is Kath and she felt a bit off too and I was correct.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Kath was the cobbler-esque role, I'm pretty sure. Also, Rikae's death narration could have been poetic license by SPM.

It's very sad that we lost Legate, but maybe he left an heir? I wonder how the wolves could have known... Maybe it was someone who Legate was suspecting on-thread, and may have dreamt...

I think I remember reading something about Morm in one of his posts, but I'm definately not sure. I'll have to reread.

[Boromir88]

Well, I'm definitely less confident today, so that means sorry everyone I'm not going to be as fun and chipper. It's time to get down to business...

Does it seem to anybody else that Thinlo and Volo are having a bit too much fun in all this and that they are the leaders in diverting our attention?~morm
Interesting...well clearly they are continually talking about roles and nightly deaths and two wolf teams and not naming anyone at all. Question is, is that wolvish? I share the same feeling with you about Thinlo...Volo less so.

Legate was a... seer? I'm not too happy to lose him. Maybe someone should go through his posting. I would, but it'll take time and Noggie sure wants to comment something soon. Maybe I'll do it a bit later.~Thinlo
These comments always catch my eye. 'Check this out,' 'I can't myself but maybe a bit later.' This has been a pretty big 'bit.'

Oh, who am I kidding, right now I'm grasping at straws, bah...I'll be back later.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Haha... Boro's suspicious of Lommy for saying she'll "do it a bit later", and then leaves, saying he'll be "back later".

Sorry, but it made me giggle.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Unless the assassin doesn't kill every Night.

Wasn't there something like that last game? One that could ranger one night and assassin the next but not both in a row?

Whatever the Priestess of Sauron was, she was not the one to kill people, or that's how I see this.

I think what we have killing us a bear of some sort. She also seemed to know the wolves, with the words 'I have done what I can to help you', which I think would be too much of an advantage if they could both kill. Maybe an evil seer? That seems fit.

Does it seem to anybody else that Thinlo and Volo are having a bit too much fun in all this and that they are the leaders in diverting our attention?

I agree. They do seem to be a couple of cohorts, don't they? They even logged off within three minutes of each other. I suppose you could put that down to them being both in Finland, but still. Don't seem to be suspecting each other at all, not much. Yes, strange. :Merisu:

[the guy who be short]

Does it seem to anybody else that Thinlo and Volo are having a bit too much fun in all this and that they are the leaders in diverting our attention?Good point, monkey man.

Now then... before I saw today's death, Rikae was actually my top suspect. It may, therefore, be possible that we have an assassin who merely screwed up. However, I myself think there are two wolf groups due to the little narrative clue Aganzir found.

The important thing is that it doesn't matter, as morm said, unless we kill them.

I'm going to go through Legate's post myself now, as there should always be independent verification. It does strike me, though, that people are being a little paranoid. Perhaps Legate was simply killed because he was both helpful and unsuspected.

[the guy who be short]

From Day 2 onwards, as he didn't get a dream before Day 1... did he?

This (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=523909&postcount=141) post makes me think he dreamt of Boro.

This (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=524012&postcount=206) however suggests Rikae more strongly, and I think that's what we should go for.



In addition, I just thought I'd mention about that I don't think the Isabell bandwagon yesterday was serious at all. Many, myself included, thought her slightly suspicious but not enough to vote for. Then, suddenly, she had amassed loads of votes in an effort to prevent Kath dying. I think this is probably due to some Western instinct that for democracy to work, there should be more than one candidate, than anything else. In short: it was a bit farcical.

[the guy who be short]

Whoever Menel's ally/allies is/are, they are loud. Thus Menel pushing us to lynch the quiet.

Whoever killed Rune was quiet, thus killing the guy who most clearly and strongly believed in killing the quiet as quickly as possible.

I think we should heed Rune's words, and his death was possibly designed lest we forget them: We should deal with quieter people earlier on, i.e. now. This ie because later on, we'll have formed strong opinions about the loud, so we''' know whether we want to lynch them or not. We'll still we confused about the quiet, however; later in the game, confusion can be deadly.

Therefore, I shall be voting for a quiet person today.

It helps that Boro feels innocent to be, and Noggy too, if slightly less so.

[the guy who be short]

According to my books, the quiet includes, from quietest to loudest:

morm - 4 posts.
Isabellkya - 5 posts.
Fea - 7 posts.
Shasta - 9 posts.
Sixth - 9 posts.

As Fea seems to have some sort of excuse, I'll move her to the bottom of my list and commence analysing, in the following order:

morm
Isabellkya
Shasta
Sixth
Fea

[the guy who be short]

Mormegil:
DAY 2
Post 133 - Says nothing useful.
Post 135 - "Trust me or not, Mith is innocent." Why...?
Post 154 - Votes Kath on the basis that "Kath is Kath and I'm happier if she's dead."
DAY 3
Post 276 - Points out that we have no idea what roles there are, so discussion is a bit pointless. Suspects Volo and Lommy.

Now, I'm used to a crazily loud morm. There may indeed be time constraints, but even then I'd expect him to be more active than he has been. That said, a changed playing style cannot be used to cast guilt on somebody.

What can be used is that he has said so very little that it is incredibly difficult to get a picture of him. I suspect most people forgot about him.

Today's post does seem to be promising in offering some worthwhile content. Hopefully this will continue. I'll humour that hope and leave morm alone for now. If he doesnt shape up, I will go after him tomorrow though. I'm not asking him to be as loud as I know he can be - only to say things of actual worth, which he has thus far largely avoided.

[The Sixth Wizard]

[this post is merely here to break Shorty's chain]

[and yes I am a spoilsport]

[the guy who be short]

Izzy is interesting in that so many seem to suspect her a little, and nobody much. That failed bandwagon yesterday was a bit of a joke - more of a preservation of democracy than anything. Noggy, for example, leant his vote to Izzy although he suspected Kath more.

However, there may be something beneath all this moderate suspicion. Allons-y!

DAY 1:
Post 18 - In character stuff.
Post 94 - Lots of random information about a game called Baldur's gate. Then:
I don't agree that you should lynch the quiet ones to accomplish an end goal. I think they should be watched throughout the entire game. More often than not; the quiet ones tend to live longer than the more vocal ones
Of course she would say that! She is a quiet one. And the fact that quiet people live longer is just the reason I want to lynch them!
Post 119 - Votes xyzzy for not returning after his first post. This crucial vote condemns him and saves Menel.
DAY 2:
Post 137 - Says she voted xyzzy as he was the first person to pop into her head! Says she'll come back later. Doesn't.
DAY 3:
Post 273 - Talk about how many wolves there may be.


Well, this is enough for me to be willing to lynch Izzy, in the interests of the village rather than some ideal of democracy this time! Her vote for xyzzy at that crucial point is condemning, especially the way she tries to play it down later. Then there's the way her posts are often fairly chunky, but avoid saying anything whatsoever - she has voiced no actual suspicions, defended nobody, in all her words.

I think I know where my vote's going today...

[Thinlómien]

They do seem to be a couple of cohorts, don't they? They even logged off within three minutes of each other. I suppose you could put that down to them being both in Finland, but still. Don't seem to be suspecting each other at all, not much. Yes, strange. :Merisu:Hmmm... well, Volo's an RL friend of mine, just if you didn't know. (I know that's a bad "excuse", but that might explain something.) As to that comment on logging off, isn't that a bit of grasping at straws, Sixie? :rolleyes: And I have suspected Volo, though not very much. Right now I think he's more on the innocent side, but I'll be watching him (like everybody else...).

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If we lynch an innocent toDay and the wolves kill two innocents toNight, toMorrow there would be 10 left - five of them wolves. Now I don't know if the wolves could win as separate groups even though the number of them matched the number of the innocents, but I'd rather not take the risk.I think it would be very unfair to us if they could win together. And Sauce, dealing with that much justice in RL, wouldn't make that unfair a game. :D (Okay, I'm just hoping... But I still think that would make the game highly unbalanced and I think Sauce would have the sense to see it.)

I find TGWBS is a bit too quick to jump to conclusions on the quiet/loud issue. I mean, I don't think Rune's death necessarily points to silent wolves and Menel's wolvishness to loud ones. Rune wasn't the only one to promote lynching the quiet and Menel sure is able to double-bluff a bit. Now I'm not implying you, TGWBS, are definitely wrong. You could be right. But I just find you too hasty... maybe evilly hasty. (Although, I must say you look quite innocent to me on the whole.)

[the guy who be short]

Since he broke my beautiful chain, I'll do Sixth next rather than Shasta. Then I have to leave so the other two will have to wait a while.

Day 1:
Post 36 - Says we should lynch a quiet player first. My kinda man!
Post 40 - Takes my "vote Fea" post seriously. Hehe. Well, he wasn't to know.
Post 114 - Votes durelin hurriedly as he has little time. Could potentially be an attempt to save Menel - after all, he should have had time to read Noggie's post attempting to orchestrate a lynching.
Day 2:
Post 134 - Gives an account of what Menel said. Says we should suspect Izzy who saved Menel... but what about him? He seemed to try with that vote of his.
Post 139 - Again attacks Izzy for saying xyzzy was the first to pop into her head.
Post 146 - Thinks Izzy guilty, Nogrod is not himself, Kath innocent, Not sure about Volo.
Post 223 - Says Kath, Boro and Noggy are most suspicious, votes Kath. But he said she was innocent in his last post! And unlike me, no reason for his change of heart. Seems to go with the flow here, worrying. Also, he hadn't mentioned Boro before.
DAY 3:
Post 280 - Lots of role-talk, suspects Lommy-Volo.
Post 286 - Ruins my chain.

Well, I'm not happy with Sixth. He flip-flops, goes back on what he said, and seems to go with the flow. I don't like his voting record either, the first seems an attempt to save menel, the second is a flip-flop influenced by others. I suspect him of wolvery.

[Mithalwen]

Here had a quick read no time to post till later.

[Volo]

And what seems pretty probable is that the two kills are organized by one band. And there is at least one great Seer-hunter in the band of Wolves.

It looks a bit improbable that both the Seer and the Seer's dream are killed by chance.
Argh. I'll be quick: This doesn't work as Menel wouldn't want to kill himself (if of course Durelin's death was triggered).

And good find there Aganzir, that makes me wonder.

I'm still suspecting Fea and Mith, but Sixth has also jumped out to look scary. Is he really playing here, or is he confident enough to just laugh and tell us that he's laughing. Now just look at his two last posts... :confused:


Going to look at what I promised before I fell asleep, and try keeping the promise.

[Nogrod]

That was a bad Night!

And my apologies for the wierd post earlier toDay. I don't know how I managed to send it in the first place as I thought I didn't... :confused:

I wrote a lengthy post and managed to destroy it and in frustration didn't have the energy to write it a second time (it was too late and I was getting a bit drunk :( ).

But to the issues then.

We either have still two bands of baddies left or then our assassin made a bad misjudgement. If it is the latter I would suggest the assassin would consider very carefully when to use her/his powers the next time.

I do agree with tgwbs that we should do well to lynch one of the quieter ones toDay - unless a better candidate can be named. Isabellkaya and The Sixth come to mind as my favourite candidates not the least because the way they acted in the end of Day1. Both could be seen as trying to save Menel. It's quite improbable that they both are wolves but I'd bet a small sum on another one of them to be one.

About Isabell-wagon yesterDay. My main reason for it was to create a differentiation in the voting. Everyone voting for Kath was just madness. You can't read a lot from the voting-record if everyone votes the same person.

Sadly it seems that we didn't learn much about that last moment diversion (those who took part were Boro, Aganzir, Fea and me).

Stated reasons for voting Isabell:

myself: Well. If everyone votes the same person we have nothing to read toMorrow from the voting. It's the perfect hide-out for the wolves.

Not the least because with this rate of killings during the Nights we're losing our active players in one or two Nights and then the village is very quiet indeed...

she (Isabell) could be more cunning than I now grant her...

Even if I suspect Kath more I might try Isabell just for the future talking of this village

Boro: If there's no other possible candidate besides Kath, I will refrain from voting for today. As any other vote would be a waste and I do not wish to contribute to the lynching of a person I believe is innocent.

Oh what the heck, since enough people are talking about Isabell (I think Legate also said he may vote for her) lets give this a shot.

Let's save Kath, I want to get this last second band-wagon lynch happening.

Aganzir: This is not to say "let's not lynch Kath"

I could vote Isabell, but are there enough of us to kill her?

Fea: Because I like Kath and she hasn't concerned me much.

[Volo]

I so hate Cobblers... :/

I can't really get a read on her. Reading through her other posts though, makes me think that Kath thought of Lommy, Nogrod and Rikae as Innocents. Boro as the Seer, I guess this can be said as the Seer is already dead. Guy is also somebody she might have thought as a Wolf.

This doesn't give us (or at least me) many hints, though. Unless she wasn't just a Cobbler, but also knew the identity of the Wolves or something.

Guilty:
Lommy
Nogrod
Sixth

Innocent:
Aganzir
Mith
Rikae
Boro

Don't know:
Volo
Legate
Guy
Izzie
morm
Gil
Fea
Shasta

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Good morning.

I've caught up on posts and now I'm going to shower/eat/become human while I think about them. I'll post for real in a little while.

One thing I found entertaining: the other night I dreamt that TGWBS was a werewolf. Just thought I'd share.

[mormegil]

I'm not sure why we think there are 5 wolves remaining and treating it as fact. Lommy sure seems to be hedging her risk, so to speak. She's not committing on anything in particular. Most importantly I get a feeling that she's guilty.

Again please trust me that Mith is likely innocent. For whatever reason, I seem to be able to read her rather well and I don't see her as guilty at all.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Again please trust me that Mith is likely innocent. For whatever reason, I seem to be able to read her rather well and I don't see her as guilty at all.
I'm willing to stick with you on this one.

All my shower really got me was a firm belief that I don't want Mith or B88 to die.

Nogrod's another story.

[Mithalwen]

Quite...referring to me as "that woman!" as if I were an adulteress in a Victorian melodrama.... :rolleyes: . I will be online about 5.30 BST for a while but I don't propose to stay very long especially if it stays so quiet. and I refer the delegates to the Admin thread.

[the guy who be short]

DAY 1:
Post 6 - In character banter.
Post 16 - Disagrees with xyzzy suspicion. Also says lynching the quiet is a good thing... it really amuses me when the quiet say this.
Post 27 - Says Isabellkya may not know what a cobbler is, defending her.
Post 33 - Asks durelin if she knows her vote isfinal and can't be retracted now.
Post 98 - Mentions durelin, aganzir and Noggy as suspects, but votes xyzzy! Even though she disagreed with suspicion of xyzzy in post 16. And no reason for the change of heart. Another opportunist who goes with the flow!
Post 101 - Doesn't understand Noggy's point about following a declared logic.
DAY 2:
Post 136 - Post count.
DAY 3:
Post 277 - Talks without saying anything. Kath was cobbler, Legate dying bad.
Post 279 - Laughs at Boro for saying he'll be back later when Boro was suspicious of Lommy for that.


Hmm. Once again we have quite a few posts, but saying very little. The switch of opinions on xyzzy is weird and needs to be explained. Avoids mentioning who he finds innocent and doesn't really mention who he finds guilty - in the one post where he named who he could vote for, he admitted Noggy and Aganzir were only on there for suspecting him.

I think we have a potential wolf here.

So, the three I've looked at so far, excluding morm, all feel wolvish to me. And I'll be frank: Feanor is only on the list as a formality. I don't at this moment think she's suspicious, and I don't think I will after analysing her. Which I do not think I have time to do today. Therefore, without further ado:

++ISABELLKYA

[the guy who be short]

Hmm, looks like I have another few minutes after all.

Just noticed this:


I find TGWBS is a bit too quick to jump to conclusions on the quiet/loud issue. I mean, I don't think Rune's death necessarily points to silent wolves and Menel's wolvishness to loud ones. Rune wasn't the only one to promote lynching the quiet and Menel sure is able to double-bluff a bit.
I think that was the contributing factor to Rune's death, but that is a personal belief. Regardless, I agree with Rune's logic - kill the quiet early on to prevent disaster later on.

[Aganzir]

I'm here, but I need to go to the shop before they close so I'll probably leave in half an hour.

I agree with Volo and Sixth that the Priestess of Sauron indeed sounds seerish. As does also this (the first bolded sentence):
I have seen in my dreams the wonder and the terror of what He has wrought here. And those among you who do not serve Him will yourselves share that knowledge all too soon - as red claws rend your flesh and black fangs close about your heads.
I don't know if I'm interpreting too much, but to me it seems that the second bolded sentence says the wolves can't kill each other. But I think that would make too unbalanced a game. Or then we're having much more gifteds around.

Volo, I doubt if it's useful to try to find any hints in Kath's posts. I guess she knew she was going to die, and no one knows if she has bluffed or double-bluffed or decided via coin flipping who she regards as guilty or innocent. :rolleyes:

[the guy who be short]

DAY 1:
Post 58 - Registering her presence.
Post 64 - Lynch the quiet! Or anyone you cant get a picture of. Lots of responses to things people have said. Says that morm/Noggy/Kath/Boro are sneaky people in general (not necessarily guilty).
Post 65 - Posts a list of every villager divided into guilty, not, or neutral. She gets Legate, Kath & Rune right - all innocents. Suspects morm and mith, but only due to history. Votes xyzzy as she had nobody better to vote for.
DAY 2:
Post 160 - Replies to various things. Says we should scan the narrative for cues, not presume SpM will be a nice mod, logic is never logical.
Post 164 - Role talk. Thinks Mith innocent. Thinks we should let Noggy live.
Post 247 - Votes Izzy.
DAY 3:
Post 266 - Confused about roles, explains quietness.
Post 294 - Registers presence.
Post 296 - Mith, Boro innocent. Nogrod is "another story."

She also keeps calling people things like darling or honey, and claims she is cute. Not really relevant, just interesting.

She seems alright to me. She has an innocent air, her voting record doesn't seem too bad, she talks about who she finds guilty and who not. I'd like a bit more reasoning behind it, but this is Fea we're talking about.


I feel good about:
Boro, Fea

I feel quite good about:
Morm, Noggy

I feel quite bad about:
Shasta

I feel very bad about:
Isabellkya, Sixth

Everybody else, don't know.

[Mithalwen]

I'm here now - for a while.

I don't thinkSauce would have used poetic licence - he seemed quite piqued about my criticism of his grammar so I am sure he is writing hte narrations with a lot of care and he did promise hints. Need to have a proper look now I am away from work.

[mormegil]

I'm here now - for a while.

I don't thinkSauce would have used poetic licence - he seemed quite piqued about my criticism of his grammar so I am sure he is writing hte narrations with a lot of care and he did promise hints. Need to have a proper look now I am away from work.

True or not if one has played cryptic clues with Saucie you will know that he is well above me in intellect and could add clever clues that nobody would pick up on until they are explained. I think we loose sight of the most important aspect of the game and go on a wild goose chase when we look for the cryptic clues in narrations or discuss ad naseum which roles exist.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I think we loose sight of the most important aspect of the game and go on a wild goose chase when we look for the cryptic clues in narrations or discuss ad naseum which roles exist.
So we should get lynch-happy without taking into account the fact that we really don't know what we're even looking for?

[mormegil]

So we should get lynch-happy without taking into account the fact that we really don't know what we're even looking for?

No silly girl! We know that there are evils out there that are killing us and we should continue to search for them not if they are 2 group of 3 each or 2 groups of 2 each or 20 groups and each of us are wolves. Find those that are guilty and pluck them out. We did it yesterday with Kath and that aids our cause and we can do it today too. I fear I lack the required time to sift through Lommy's 16 posts but she posted a lot this day and I read those in detail Right now she is my top suspect. Noggie feels a bit off too but I'm not proceeding on him yet. TGWBS is always guilty feeling to me and since it remains true this time I think him innocent.

[Mithalwen]

Well I never said it would help .. just that while he isn't giving much away he wouldn't deliberately mislead ...

Lommie's seems ot have completely escaped attention so far as has Shasta. Gil is being studiously ignored which might be folly.

Glad that there are few people around ... rather like old days ... but don't squabble. That is my job...

[mormegil]

++Lommy

I've made my intentions well enough known and I'm sticking by them. I think it time that we get moving on the votes too.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++GIL

Because he's being studiously ignored and I've come to learn that that's a horrible idea. Also, he's too quiet for my taste. Kill the quiet and use the loud people's mouths against them later, that's what I say.

[Thinlómien]

Reading through her other posts though, makes me think that Kath thought of Lommy, Nogrod and Rikae as Innocents. Boro as the Seer, I guess this can be said as the Seer is already dead. Guy is also somebody she might have thought as a Wolf.Volo, dear, it's nice that you tell us about your ideas. But if you'd give grounds to them, that'd be even better. I mean, you can't get people to agree with you (and thus your words are "wasted") if you don't explain why do you think something (like the quote above) for example... :rolleyes: So, care to elaborate? (Even though I don't know what does it help us if we know what Kath thought...)

Good morning.

I've caught up on posts and now I'm going to shower/eat/become human while I think about them. I'll post for real in a little while.Was that a confession? ;)

Thanks to TGWBS's analysis, Sixth no longer slips under my radar and I think he actually is quite suspicious, if he really has been the way he was in TGWBS's analysis. My mixed feelings about Izzie have not changed in any way. I could go for either of them, since I support lynching the quiet ones.

As to my yesterday's main suspects - Kath, Legate and Mith - two are dead and the remaining feels less guilty. She feels sincere, but I still think her somewhat suspiciously non-committal. I would not, however, like to vote her today as I'm growing gradually less suspicious of her.

I'm growing wary of morm but I think that's probably just just normal for me and some sort of spine-reaction to his suspicions... :D

Gil's continuing existence keeps bugging me even though I agree killing him would be a waste of lynch most probably.

edit: xed with Mith, morm and Fea

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Fea, bolding mine
Good morning.

I've caught up on posts and now I'm going to shower/eat/become human while I think about them. I'll post for real in a little while.

Was that a confession?

Nice catch actually, and I wouldn't put it past her either. If you are, which would be a surprise to me, not guilty I would think that this may point to Fea. She bold and brazen enough to do that for a good laugh. But if you are guilty I still think Fea a possible suspect because of it. Either way thanks for pointing it out. It won't be the only piece of evidence I would require to vote for her but it's a start.

[Isabellkya]

Yes, I know some of these things have already been mentioned in some part.. but these are my own thoughts.

“Fools!” she said. “I am no witch. I am a Priestess! And I serve the true Lord of Middle-earth. His throne is far from here, but this land will fall to Him ’ere long. You puny woodsmen and your paltry villages are no match for the might of Mordor. I have seen in my dreams the wonder and the terror of what He has wrought here. And those among you who do not serve Him will yourselves share that knowledge all too soon - as red claws rend your flesh and black fangs close about your heads. Wolves, I have done what I can to aid you. My work here is done. May the Hounds of Udun be joined and flourish here in the name of Sauron the Great …!”
From the narrative.. it makes Kath out to be a bad person.. how you could see this as a statement made by an innocent is a bit beyond me. It does mention dreams where she has seen what He (Sauron I believe) has done here. I wonder if that is somehow related to some kind of information on the wolves/bear whichever. Isn't Udun a reference to someone other than Sauron. It mentions of a joining of the hounds of Udun.
I think going through Kath's posts would for the most part probably be a bit fruitless. She was a baddie (atleast that is how I interpreted the aiding the wolves bit ; ) she may have had some points which were true and spot on; but to me her posts seemed a bit wishy-washy, or atleast misleading.

Nogrod to me is a bit iffy. He is pretty vocal, but seems to take the middle road. He doesn't really seem all that suspicious, but he doesn't seem all that innocent either.

I agree about Volo and Thinlomien; they don't really contribute much (at least from what I have seen today); but are great gateways to distraction.

Feanor; just seems to summarize things.

Thinlomien; a post caught my eye.. she said that we shouldn't drop the idea of two wolf teams yet; but she didn't clarify why. She just left it open.

Shasta strikes me as a bit odd. I've played many other games with him; and he is usually very talkative. Why he is keeping so quiet now... puts a red flag up for me.

If the bandwagon against me yesterday was not serious; then why have it anyway? May I remind you that this is NOT a democracy; this is Werewolf. Some of you have commented on others who have not voted with the 'majority' yet here you are diverting the path; making last minute votes in a blatant attempt to save Kath. Where are all of the whistles going off now eh? If I didn't know better; I'd say you were all in cahoots with Kath! :P

In my own defense, I didn't try to play my vote on Xyzzy down; it was the simple truth.

I'll post more later; but my stomach is growling.. it is 1148am here right now, and I've already told my nephew twice to just hold on a minute before I fix his lunch.

Edit; punctuation error.

[Mithalwen]

Oh blimey - there are a lot of scattered votes suddenly - what four with one each?

This is getting a bit random considering our reducing numbers contain a lot of low attenders.

I don't like Gil reverting to type like this after being relatively more engaged -
- he could be an ordo but if he isn't he could be lethal

Given his capacity for causing uncertainty, I would be suprised if he is killed at night - it would be too much of a favour to the village. So if we don't, we have to hope he is innocent and we don't need a well informed votes from him in the last stages. However he is quite capable of making random votes on little information (in some villages he hasn't even registered who is alive). Lynching him removes one piece of uncertainty but it is a risk.

Isabellkya reminds me a lot of Gil in behaviour. Has attracted the attention, been given the benefit of the doubt at first and then attracted a fair number of votes.

Is there any significance in Rikaes certainty about Boro? He has rung true to me along the line and Rikae wasn't gifted. But there was something odd he said in thath spat . I'll be back...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Was that a confession?
Yes.

[mormegil]

Would Gil in any game remain silent for 3 days straight? Not likely is my opinion guilty or not. My guess is that he is unaware the the game is underway. In general, he hasn't been very active the last week so I don't know. I think there are others who truly look more guilty than a silent Gil does.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien
Was that a confession?

Yes.

A pox on you Fea. Only you could get away with saying that and not really raising my suspicion level. It doesn't lower it though.

[Nogrod]

Gil should be dicussed in earnest now. It's clear he's not playing this game. So let's cut the talk of him being a silent one. He's not in. It's Day3 nearing the end and he hasn't posted even once - and there's no modfire. So we have to decide his fate.

Do we trust the mathematical chances that it's more probable he's a goodie than not? If we don't, I think we should do away with him asap. If we do, then let's forget about him and leave it to the chance. The longer we postpone this decision the harder it will be to make.

I'm slightly more inclined to let him be but could be persuaded to vote him with a few good arguments.


As I said earlier I would be ready to lynch either Isabell or The Sixth (and tgwbs brought back Shasta, the one I suspected a lot on Day1 but have since mostly forgotten him - that should ring a bell indeed!). The reason for these being mainly their voting in the end of Day1 which looks just downright terrible. But it should also be noted that be they innocent the way they vote is just irresponsible and dangerous to us.

If we would like to interpret their votes as innocent player's mistake we would have the following explanations.

Isabell: a newbie who didn't quite realise what the stakes were and what was happening. (we know she has never played BD WW before)

The Sixth: woke too late and had no time to see the situation. (he told us to have woken late in both the thread and the admin thread)

Both of these look very unbelievable to me but I would be pretty surprised if they both were untrue = they both are wolves. So one of the explanations probably holds... but which one?

Looking at Isabell's last post just before me would kind of negate the theory of Isabellkaya being the newbie who doesn't understand anything about this game (or maybe the change in her style and substance in posting can be explained with her having gotten lessons of werewolvery BD-style during the Nights - I mean compare her posts on Day1 when the wolves had had no possibility of comminicating with each other to the way she posts now!). And even if I think that The sixth's explanation is not very convincing I'd try Isabell first. She looks the worst of them right now.

Please Isabell and The Sixth if you think I have misinterpreted the reasons for your votes please let us know!

PS. Me and Lommy will be entertaining Lommy's little sis for a while before she gets too sour... but we'll both be back for the last 1-2 hours before the deadline.

EDIT: X'd from Mith onwards...

[Mithalwen]

I don't read Legates comments about Rikae and Boro as being anymore than general observation. Of course he wouldn't have been explicit but presumably he only had one dream - and he may well have dreamt of someone who had died in the night - after he odd behaviour on Day one Durelin would have been a good possibility - or Kath - who was already under so much suspicion that it was unnecessary for him to stick his neck out. Note he more or less said "I'm voting for her becasue everyone else is". Which would be noteworthy bandwaggoning under normal circs. However for a seer it might have been the lesser of two evils.

But this is what Boro said that I didn't understand in 224" I just got back in, and skimmed through a bit, tsk tsk Rikae and Nogrod I'm going to have to tell them what is going on as they have absolutely not clue".

Possibley quite irrelevant but huh?

[mormegil]

Nog, if Gil is guilty, which isn't likely, then if he is the last remaining wolf it will be easier to off him then. I think we need to focus in ernest on those who are active enough to give some other form of evidence.

[Mithalwen]

On that I agree with you Nogrod. I think this is perhaps our last chance to dispose of the Gil question. For if two kills a night are normal (we may have a ranger but a save may be regarded as a bonus), then we are going to lose 2 active players.

I don't want to hang around tonight - sometime RL must take priority - but I would be tempted to resolve the Gil issue (I always am... ).

[Volo]

Volo, dear, it's nice that you tell us about your ideas. But if you'd give grounds to them, that'd be even better. I mean, you can't get people to agree with you (and thus your words are "wasted") if you don't explain why do you think something (like the quote above) for example... So, care to elaborate? (Even though I don't know what does it help us if we know what Kath thought...)
Because I'm a fool.

As much as I dislike the "I do what I feel like"-style in WW, I use(d) that as an excuse myself and then think of lazy people as suspicious.

I myself enjoy making theories about the narrations and roles much more than the actual thinking of who might really have the role.

And if you didn't notice, I said in my preveous post, that it is pretty stupid to try searching Kath's post for hints. It was merely putting myself in her position and thinkin how might I react.

Shasta strikes me as a bit odd. I've played many other games with him; and he is usually very talkative. Why he is keeping so quiet now... puts a red flag up for me.Not on this forum, so far.

I don't like Gil reverting to type like this after bein......
On the matter of Gil: Forget him. I really doubt that he would try the strategy of being 100% absent during Days but still chosing Nightly kills. If he's the last baddie, nobody will be killed the next Night and the game will probably end, unless somebody is bluffing to be Gil... :rolleyes: So, whatever the case, I really think we should forget him, he's not a problem.


EDIT: Xd with everything since Fea's "Yes"

[Mithalwen]

On the matter of Gil: Forget him. I really doubt that he would try the strategy of being 100% absent during Days but still chosing Nightly kills. If he's the last baddie, nobody will be killed the next Night and the game will probably end, unless somebody is bluffing to be Gil... :rolleyes: So, whatever the case, I really think we should forget him, he's not a problem.


EDIT: Xd with everything since Fea's "Yes"


But Volo, Gil may be in a pack - if the three sticks was a hint . Then he probably needn't be active at night either. I don't think we can be absolutely certain he isn't a problem. And we will look so stupid if he is.. but not knowing the number of wolves/beasts means that we don't know the odds. And so can't judge how much of a risk it is.

[Volo]

On the matter of Wolves: I can't be 100% sure, but I think that Legate and Rikae didn't both die by chance. This meaning that there is a Wolf (or other baddie) who really goes through his/her victims' posts before choosing a target.

And that would probably mean that not all of the Wolves are newbies or players that are known for not caring about their Nightly kill too much.

AND: The targets have been "newer" players, haven't they? Would a Fea or morm Wolf rather kill somebody they enjoy to play with or somebody they haven't played before with? :rolleyes: I really get this feeling from you.


EDIT: Xd with Mith

[Volo]

But Volo, Gil may be in a pack - if the three sticks was a hint . Then he probably needn't be active at night either. I don't think we can be absolutely certain he isn't a problem. And we will look so stupid if he is.. but not knowing the number of wolves/beasts means that we don't know the odds. And so can't judge how much of a risk it is.
Yeah? I for one dropped the wondering of "how many Wolves and in how many packs they are" -thoughts. No, I don't understand it, but I did put a stop to some theory-making time gone wasted.

If Gil is Wolf: He makes the Wolves' victory easier by one person. He can't kill, he can't vote, nothing else.

If Gil is Innocent/Goodie: He makes the Wolves' victory harder by one person.

It is more probable that he's a Goodie. But if he is a Wolf, then he'll be passified if we lynch the other Wolves first.

[Volo]

That was all just theories, though theories that I wish you'd consider. Now for once, I feel pretty sober with my talk.

I am not sure that Fea or anybody else is Wolf and that Gil is not Wolf.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Would a Fea or morm Wolf rather kill somebody they enjoy to play with or somebody they haven't played before with?
I would methodically kill everybody who's ever played with me before and then play cat and mouse with the poor innocent children who don't know just how mean I can be.

[Aganzir]

A fair point about Isabell's changed posting style, Noggie.

My main suspect is dead and innocent (like a few of my other suspects, too), and at the moment I don't suspect any of the loud players enough to vote. So my vote will probably go to someone both relatively silent and suspicious - at the moment I think it's either Isabell or Sixth, to whom I had paid little attention before tgwbs's summary.

I would like to see Shasta more. He hasn't said practically anything.

I don't think lynching Gil is a good idea. Too risky I'd say. I'd rather lynch someone I suspect than someone who might or might not be a wolf, but of who one can't say anything. I hate the idea that the wolves could win as separate groups, but if we lynch an innocent & are right about the number of the wolves, it's possible (though maybe not probable) that it happened.

I'm slowly beginning to feel a little bad about Lommy. I think I could go through her posts soon.

edit: xed with two Volos and Fea

[Mithalwen]

Oh that is a big help ..... .

So sinceI have to make a choice soon : We have votes for :


Isabellkya
Gil
Lommie


I thought someone voted sixth but I can't see it now,,,

[Mithalwen]

I don't think Fea is a wolf. She would have caused far more chaos by now.... I've modded her twice and it was jaw dropping both times.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I don't think Fea is a wolf. She would have caused far more chaos by now.... I've modded her twice and it was jaw dropping both times.
So says you. ;)

Now's as good a time for chaos as any.

[Isabellkya]

@ Nogrod: I think you were fairly accurate in assessing why I voted for Xyzzy.
As to the 'changing of my style'; today is Tuesday thus a weekday. The weekend got unexpectedly fairly hectic on friday. I got last minute notification that I was wanted at a softball tournament on saturday and sunday. So that took a little more priority over sitting here and trying to get my internet to work; when it didn't want to.

I have played many WW games and one mafia game before. Neither types have been quite as analytical as this one has been thus far.

Yes, this is true that I guess Shasta is apparently quiet here at BD. It is still something to watch out for; or atleast keep an eye on.

As to the Gil situation. I don't know how vocal he usually is. So I don't know whether his non-existance is a hindrance or not. I would think that for now we should just leave him alone. If he is an innocent then true he isn't contirbuting much; but he isn't conspiring against us either; yet we don't know if he is an oridnary or not. If he is a wolf, then we will just find out for certain towards the end of the game. We shouldn't wait that long to deal with the situation; but I don't think we should rush into it either.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

At best, Gil is a hollow number on the good guy side. He can't help us with a vote, he can't offer suggestions, he can't give us any idea of what's going on.

This gives the wolves, if he isn't one, a perfect opportunity to manipulate the village into killing one of their own. Even if he's good, without him to prove it somehow, he's a blank slate for anybody to draw an identity on.

That's not good.

At best, he might exist as a way to keep the villager ratio higher. But I don't really feel like taking that risk and reading in the final narration something like "And then Gil started laughing hysterically and came to life just long enough to kill everyone."

Yeah...

[Mithalwen]

I have had a look at Shasta ... I know Guy did this but .... he has said increasingly little (if that is logically possible). He satrted quitee amusuingly if nothing else on Day one but has actually contributed nothing but banalities, a vote summary rhetorical questions and statements of the obvious. Today he says merely that something amused him. Either he hasn't got a special role and doesnt' care any more or he is being very iffy. I havn't played much with him and have no idea if this is normal.

But I don't like it.. we can't assume all these inactive types are innocent - there are too many of them ....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But I don't like it.. we can't assume all these inactive types are innocent - there are too many of them ....
Which is why I still hold to my philosophy of ruthlessly culling the quiet folks and keeping around people who are likely to, by default, say something opportune at some point.

[Volo]

I see that the quiet are on the lynch line.

Votes:

tgwbs: ++Izzie (Izzie 1)
morm: ++Lommy (Izzie 1, Lommy 1)
Fea: ++Gil (Izzie 1, Lommy 1, Gil 1)

Of those I don't want to have Lommy or Gil lynched at the moment. Izzie? Well... Maybe... But no.

++Sixth

It feels like he's avoiding being present and there's at least some hope of getting him lynched (i.e. Why I don't vote somebody more active.).

Volo: ++Sixth (Izzie 1, Lommy 1, Gil 1, Sixth 1)


It may well be that the Wisdom of Vehade was something worth believing... :/


EDIT: Xd with everything since Izzie

[Mithalwen]

Had a quick look at Sixth ... I would say that Shasta looks a great deal worse. These players who live in widely different timezones always seem out on a limb and a bit odd.

I would vote for Shasta but that may be pointless since several of you have voiced suspicions but not actually voted on them. So although I know Morm and Volo think this pointless, I am going ot take this one chance to lynch. I thinkit is the last chance to do so and I, like Fea, couldn't bear it if he was a wolf and wins by default. There is just too much history.... which may be blighting my judgement.

++ Gil-Galad

[Volo]

I, like Fea, couldn't bear it if he was a wolf and wins by default.
You put too much pride into the game. :p

[Mithalwen]

Maybe ... Montesquieu, I think, said something about the English treating games as war, and vice versa...

But I mus go..I meant :rolleyes: to go an hour ago ...

[Boromir88]

But this is what Boro said that I didn't understand in 224" I just got back in, and skimmed through a bit, tsk tsk Rikae and Nogrod I'm going to have to tell them what is going on as they have absolutely not clue"

Possibley quite irrelevant but huh?~Mith
Telling them that their suspicions of me were completely wrong.

++Fea

She's offered herself as the sacrificial wolf, and I say we follow up on it. If they want to hand us a wolf, I'm going to take it. Fea clearly has offered to be a sacrificial wolf today in hopes of stirring as much confusion and chaos as possible, but he if she wants to tell us she's a wolf...I'm following it. She's done this exact thing before and no one believed me then.

This makes me immediately suspicious of Mith and Morm who have done a clever job of backing eachother up and stressing eachother's innocence. Mith says Fea's innocent, Morm says Mith is innocent...that's going to look mighty wolvish to me if Fea turns out to be a wolf.

[Thinlómien]

I said I wouldn't vote Mith but now I'm not too sure. That vote of hers... I think it's quite foolish to pursue lynching Gil in a village like this where hordes of people die at night. However, as the Kill Gil(l) -argument can be reasonably defended (removing the uncertainities) I wouldn't be surprised one little bit if some of the wolves was/were campaigning quite actively for it to mislead the innocents (assuming of course Gil's innocent - which is matemathically and psychologically probable). This makes me wary of Mith and Fea, but Fea less so, as she's always weird and I can't read her. (Bad reasoning, I know. But Mith also feels less sincere.)

I agree with the person (can't remember who) who said that if there's an assassin on the village's side, s/he should probably kill Gil. Otherwise, I wouldn't concentrate on him too much.

I could vote Mith, as she is suspicious, but I'd maybe prefer lynching someone who is suspicious and quiet, so maybe Sixth or Isabell. I could also consider voting Shasta if I had clearer picture about him... my feeling this far is that he has been little suspicious and very normal for himself... if I was to vote him I would like to have a less vague picture about him.

edit: xed with Boro

[Thinlómien]

Well, it seems we won't have the same consensus-problem as we did yesterDay... :rolleyes:

[The Sixth Wizard]

if he really has been the way he was in TGWBS's analysis

Nuts he has been! That comment came at four thirty in the morning, and I like getting an hour of sleep, actually.

Anyways, I'm not sure why Mith (and others maybe in future) voted for Gil. What was that about? If he is innocent, which is most likely even now, Gil-Galad will be a waste of a lynch. If he is guilty, we can be almost sure he is not contributing to the guilty side either. What's the point?

Votes:
tgwbs: ++Izzie (Izzie 1)
morm: ++Lommy (Izzie 1, Lommy 1)
Fea: ++Gil (Izzie 1, Lommy 1, Gil 1)
Volo: ++Sixth (Izzie 1, Lommy 1, Gil 1, Sixth 1)
Mith: ++ Gil-Galad (Izzie 1, Lommy 1, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Gil 1)
Boro: ++Fea (Izzie 1, Lommy 1, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Gil 1, Fea 1)

So, many scattered votes. We don't seem to have much to go on, and I'm undecided too. But I don't like how Lommy and Volo are so close together, and that's about the only thing I've got today. Lommy's already got a vote, so might as well:

++Lommy

(Edit: x-ed with Boromir and the afore-mentioned Lommy)

[mormegil]

(Izzie 1, Lommy 2, Gil 2, Sixth 1, Fea 1)

It's pretty spread out and not clear leaders yet. Only 6 have voted so far and assuming there is no Gil vote we still have 6 to go.

Edit Sixth just voted.

[Aganzir]

Day 1
#37: Supports lynching someone about who one can't form a picture, if one has no (good) reason to lynch a loud player / a contributor. Says that even though Nogrod was hasty about Shasta, it wouldn't be nice to lose him (Nog). Rikae seems innocent. No clear opinion about Menel due to his spelling, which always turns ignore-function on in her brain. Durelin makes her wonder. Boro is giving bad vibes, but she doesn't want to lynch him. Shasta, Sixth and Kath are normal, xyzzy a little suspicious. Nothing to say about Isabell.

#44: Doesn't believe the evil team would consist only of three wolves and the cobbler. The only ones she suspects even a little are Boro and xyzzy, but she doesn't want to vote Boro and doesn't like the idea of voting xyzzy either.

#47: Says she won't vote now but will ask if Noggie or I could post her vote later, if she wants to vote.

#50: Says she's leaving.


Day 2
#156: Thinks an Assassin or a Bear killed Menel, the wolves Rune, and Durelin was killed because of doing something. Is slightly annoyed by Volo's new playing style, which would give him a perfect cover and make it harder for others to figure out anything about him. Not too worried about Fea, not much wary of Boro anymore. Tgwbs innocentish. Legate doesn't sit right with her, and resembles a bit wolf-Legate. Mith makes her uneasy. Kath seems odd, maybe a Bear? Volo's playing style worries her. Nogrod could be either way. Morm is weird. Shasta mildly suspicious. Izzie's vote wolfish, but she might be a puzzled newbie as well. Sixth seems normal. Aganzir makes her slightly uneasy. Rikae seems pretty innocent, but has been somewhat shady.
Has no idea who to vote, suspects too many people.

#157: Meditates on what should be done with Gil. If he was to be lynched, he should be lynched soon. But lynching him might prove fatal with such a big number of nightly kills.

#158: Votes Kath. Posts a quote that she says looks like Kath were the bear, and says her usually helpful tone seems somewhat forced this time, and innocent Kath usually gives better grounds to her suspicions.

#159: There are more cons than pros to lynching Gil, as he might start playing more actively.


Day 3
#253: Says she was slightly surprised by Nightly kills and wonders who was killed by whom. Thinks someone should probably go through Legate's posts, and says she'd do it herself but it takes time and she should probably let Noggie log in and comment something. Says she might do it later though.

#256: Kath was probably some sort of a cobbler, who maybe knew the wolves' identities. Kath's posts should be examined very carefully, if at all, for they could mislead us a lot.

#259: Asks Volo if he has dropped his eccentric style.

#261: Asks Volo if Kath didn't suspect Noggie as well.

#268: Banter.

#269: Says we can't assume the wolves killed Legate because he was getting too close, as we don't know if it were wolves who killed him. Doesn't know if the idea of two rival wolf teams (about 2 wolves / team) should be dropped yet.

#271: Says she's going to sleep.

#288: Says she has suspected Volo a little, but thinks now he's on the innocent side. Thinks that it would be very unfair if the wolves could win as separate groups. Says tgwbs is a bit too quick to jump to conclusions on the quiet/loud issue; Rune's death doesn't necessarily point to silent wolves and Menel's to loud wolves. Finds tgwbs (maybe evilly) hasty, but he looks rather innocent.

#309: Says it would be nice if Volo gave grounds to his ideas. Thinks Sixth is actually quite suspicious. Has mixed feelings about Isabell, and could lynch either of them. Mith feels sincere yet somewhat suspiciously non-committal, but she's growing gradually less suspicious of her. Is growing wary of morm. Gil's absence bugs her, but killing him would probably be a waste of lynch.

All this, and the result is: I still have no idea. I have not played much with her, and not at once with a wolf-Lommy (unless she is now), so I don't know how she's like when a wolf (and stalking doesn't count - do you think I have paid attention to your playing style if I haven't been playing myself?).

Actually the first thing that caught my eye was that she didn't have an opinion about Menel because his spelling turned the ignore-function on in her brain - but that feels like a very vague reason to suspect her.
And now it seems to me that it's the only reason I could have if I wanted to keep suspecting her. I fail to find anything wolfish (or worth mentioning) from these posts. Either she's innocent or completely fooling me. :rolleyes:

Deadline is in half an hour, and even if I could hope to find anything, I'd rather leave it for now. Argh, my head is exploding.

[mormegil]

Actually come to think of it, if I were a wolf I would kill off Gil tonight for fun.

[Nogrod]

tgwbs -> Isabell
morm -> Lommy
Fea -> Gil
Volo -> Sixth
Mith -> Gil
Boro -> Fea (Isabell1, Lommy1, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Sixth -> Lommy (Isabell1, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)

Mith's vote got me worried... but I still think our best choices are the Menel-savers of the Day1 - and of them Isabell for the reasons I already pointed out.

But the points on Fea and Mith do look reasonable as well...

What to do?

Actually the first thing that caught my eye was that she didn't have an opinion about Menel because his spelling turned the ignore-function on in her brain - but that feels like a very vague reason to suspect her.That was a good point! I need to move Lommy up in my suspicions-table somewhat... although I think I have more baddies in my list than we actually have. :p

I might go for Isabell (seriously thinking I believe she's a wolf or a baddie of any sort). Or Mith (because of her very random -feeling vote and her security with going after Menel and the trial of me which felt like caused by evil intentions yesterDay) or Fea for being the self-professed wolf (she might actually do it!).

Or the Sixth with trying to save Menel or Shasta...

But who?

[Aganzir]

I'm at the moment torn between Isabell and Sixth. I'll check their posts and try to decide.

edit: xed with Noggie

[Isabellkya]

I am not really sure on who I should vote for. I'd rather vote for someone who already has a vote against them; rather than spreading the votes out even more. I am leaning towards Feanor mainly because of the human/confession thing.. but that doesn't seem to be anything really substantial to base a vote on.
I would prefer not to vote for Gil-Galad, as at the moment it is pretty much a coin toss as to his innocence. Sixth just brings out thoughts of over eagerness to me; suspicion isn't really the first thought in my head. I am obviously not going to vote for myself; and Thinlomien she seems to be more of a distractor than contributor.. so ehh I don't know.

[Thinlómien]

That was it for me.

After a post like that (and a few similar posts before) Isabell can't pretend to be a simple newbie who votes the first person to pop into her mind and thus she seems highly suspicious.

++ISABELLKYA

[Thinlómien]

tgwbs -> Isabell
morm -> Lommy
Fea -> Gil
Volo -> Sixth
Mith -> Gil
Boro -> Fea (Isabell1, Lommy1, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Sixth -> Lommy (Isabell1, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Lommy -> Isabell (Isabell2, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)

[Nogrod]

I'd be ready to lynch Isabell as well. She's a walking contradiction. Not knowing what to do on Day1 (no wolf PM's then) and now she seems quite knowledgeable.

[Aganzir]

++ Isabellkya

I agree with Noggie.

[Isabellkya]

I was tempted to go and choose Thinlomien, based on her lack of ability to read all posts made in this game thread. Instead I will go with Feanor.

++Feanor

She seemed to admit to being non-human; could've been a joke... but I believe she said she wanted chaos. Typically only the bad people want to cause chaos.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

To be honest, the reason I'm quieter than usual is that I'm intimidated, a bit. :( I feel like I can't say much that hasn't already been said. I have been /trying/ to be more vocal, but it doesn't seem to be working... so I guess I'll just have to try harder. :)

++Gil

He hasn't said a word the whole time, and since SPM left it up to us to punish the inactive... If he's a Wolf, then the Wolves have a perfect under-the-radar candidate. If he's an Innocent, then he's not helping us at all, he's not voting... he's just a number on the chart.

Edit; X'd with... maybe Nogrod, definately Aganzir and Isabell.

[Nogrod]

++ Isabellkya

I think we got it right this time - once again.

[Aganzir]

tgwbs -> Isabell
morm -> Lommy
Fea -> Gil
Volo -> Sixth
Mith -> Gil
Boro -> Fea (Isabell1, Lommy1, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Sixth -> Lommy (Isabell1, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Lommy -> Isabell (Isabell2, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Agan -> Isabell (Isabell3, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Isabell -> Feanor (Isabell3, Lommy2, Gil2, Fea2)
Shasta -> Gil (Isabell3, Lommy2, Gil3, Fea2)
Noggie -> Isabell (Isabell4, Lommy2, Gil3, Fea2)

[Volo]

At least this Day will have votes to track. :)

[Volo]

What shall you eat, Nogrod, if you don't survive to analyse all the votes? A hat perhaps? :D

[Nogrod]

Gil is an enigma. Sure. But as Lommy said the mathematical and psychological reasons make it unprobable that he's a baddie with a role.

I'm quite ready to take the risk with him as he clearly is not playing at all.

[Nogrod]

What shall you eat, Nogrod, if you don't survive to analyse all the votes? A hat perhaps? :DLet's say a hat then... :D

[Volo]

Oh yeah, the five extra minutes. :)

Well, let's hope you don't have to eat the hat then. I think I'd go after Fea or Mith tommorrow. Or you, if I'm not alive.

[Nogrod]

I think I'd go after Fea or Mith tommorrow. Or you, if I'm not alive.The curse of the undead then? :D

[Volo]

Lommy looks Innocent to me. Well, all the Lommys I've seen have so far been Innocent... :rolleyes: But still...

Shasta doesn't look Innocent. :(

[The Saucepan Man]

Time's up. Voting closed. No more discussion.

Result to follow in due course ...

[The Saucepan Man]

The sun had almost set and Isabellkya had been chosen to die. The remaining delegates turned to her brandishing torches and whatever weapons came to hand. Terror was in the eyes of the delegate from the remote village of Kyaq as they approached her and, spinning on her heels, she ran. The crowd immediately set off after her but, gaining some ground, she darted in between two huts. In desperation, she hurriedly scanned her surroundings in the hope that there might be some place to conceal herself. Alas, there was nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. The small passageway ended in a wall. Cornered, she turned, petrified, to face the savage mob.

But as the delegates neared Isabellkya, her frightened features gave way to a sneer, which politely moved over in deference to a snarl, which in turn was chased away by a growl. Falling on to all fours, she began to grow in size as hair sprouted on her arms and legs and began to spread over her entire, rapidly morphing body. Her fingers split, making way for cruel blood-red claws as her mouth stretched to form a beastly snout arrayed with a fearsome set of razor-sharp teeth. Twice the size of a man now, she glowered at the delegates, who had been halted in their tracks by the sudden and alarming transformation. It did not take long for them to reappraise the situation.

“Run away!” cried one.

“Run away! Run away!” agreed the others.

Turning as one, the mob careered back down the alley, jostling and scrabbling at one another in their terror. With a howl, the great She-Wolf leaped forward and bounded after them. But, just as she began to draw level with the stragglers, a small fox sprang out from a small cluster of bushes and darted between her legs. Startled, Isabellkya was momentarily caught off balance and, fell crashing snout over tail to the ground. The villagers needed no second chance and were immediately upon her, axes, pitchforks and blades hacking, slashing and thrusting in a wild frenzy of blood-letting.

When at last they stepped back, all that remained was the bloody, battered and decidedly dead body of Isabellkya.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Oridnary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)
Isabellkya - Mometarily caught off guard by a darting fox and set upon by the frenzied mob on Day 3 (Werewolf)

The living:

Mormegil
Aganzir - the Dwarf delegate of a Woodsmen village
Gil-Galad
Shastanis Althreduin - the extremely detail-oriented centaur delegate from the Plains
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien - the Delegate of INSTRAW
the guy who be short - the delegate from nearby Necropolis
Mithalwen - the delegate of an anarco-sydicalist commune, taking her turn as a sort of executive officer for the week
Feanor of the Peredhil - the slightly offbeat delegate who offers controversial suggestions to the moot regardless of lycanthropic tendencies

Night 3 has fallen. Things that go bump in the Night may start bumping.

[The Saucepan Man]

As the delegates rose from their troubled slumbers on Day 4 and emerged from their huts, they were startled to find a headless horse sprawled in the village square. It lay oddly, as if its back had been broken and its legs protruded at unlikely angles. Closer inspection, however, revealed the human torso trapped beneath the equine hulk and they immediately recognised the extremely detail orientated centaur delegate from the Plains. As the delegates straightened his broken body, they saw that his skin, once a burnished bronze, was now blue and pale as if the very life had been squeezed from him. Suddenly, his eyes snapped open and he stared up at them, whinnying in pain.

“Who did this to you?”

“Was it the Wolves?”

But the only reply they received was a gurgled “neigh”. Uncharacteristically, but perhaps understandably, Shastanis Althreduin was rather short on the detail as the life drained finally from him.

But their troubles did not end there. As on the morning of the second Day, a further two of their number were missing and, once more, they made the dreadful pilgrimage to the absent delegates’ huts.

The first was a creepy, fearsome place, decked out with skulls and bones. At first, they thought that they had discovered a Wolfish lair. But then it dawned on them that this delegate had merely decorated his hut according to the customs of his village, so as to make himself feel at home. Of his body they could find no sign, until they caught sight of a skeleton of noticeably short stature lying in the corner in a pool of blood, and saw that its component bones were less yellowed by the years than the remainder of the gruesome décor. In places, flesh and sinews still hung from them, but they had largely been picked clean by lupine fangs. The bones of the delegate from nearby Necropolis had joined those of his ancestors.

The interior of the second hut was equally grim. It’s occupant lay there, her body slashed and torn, riddled with gaping wounds. Yet it seemed that she had not died straight away. Her arm was outstretched and a bloodstained finger pointed to a message that she had scrawled in her own blood on the floor.

“You realise that this doesn’t mean I’m not a Werewolf …” it read.

Feanor of the Peredhil had remained offbeat and controversial to the end, regardless of lupine tendencies. Which, incidentally, she did not, and never had, exhibited.

Yup, it sure was the slaughter of the innocents.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Ordinary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)
Isabellkya - Mometarily caught off guard by a darting fox and set upon by the angry mob on Day 3 (Werewolf)
Shastanis Althreduin - Had the life squeezed from his half human, half equine form on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent)
the guy who be short - Consumed and reduced to nothing but bare bones on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil - Brutally attacked yet lived long enough to write her bloody epitaph on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent).

The living:

Mormegil
Aganzir - the Dwarf delegate of a Woodsmen village
Gil-Galad
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien - the Delegate of INSTRAW
Mithalwen - the delegate of an anarco-sydicalist commune, taking her turn as a sort of executive officer for the week

Day 4 has begun. Stop doing any Night things you may have been doing and start doing your Day things.

[Volo]

Now this looks sad. :(

But at least I don't have to wonder what Fea is anymore...

Could it be that we do have a Gifted of some sort. Maybe an Eagle witch the mechanics of the Assassin. :rolleyes: Could go to every death I guess.

What I do think is that Nogrod is Innocent.
At least if the Wolves are in one pack. I don't think he'd give Izzie advice to be louder and then kill her for listening to the advice. Anyway, way too brave even for him to do as it would have been were he Wolf.

[Thinlómien]

To be honest, I feel like throwing an onion at someone. Three kills during one Night! That's just outrageous. (I admit having the foolish hope that maybe with two wolves dead, there would be just one kill per Night. It sems I couldn't have been more wrong. :rolleyes: ) Anyway, this is quite downright ridiculous. I mean, even if we keep having a baddie-lynch rate like this, we're going to lose, and soon. Not something to cheer you up. Soon I'm beginning to wonder if we have just have one ordinary wolf team and The Evil God Saucepan just rolls a dice every Night to decide how many kills they get... :rolleyes:

More seriously, I think one of last Night's kills must have been done by an innocent gifted (some sort of assasin) who just misjudged things. Because it would be more than downright ridiculous if baddies (of various sorts) would get three kills one Night. (Except, of course, if Sauce is rolling those dice, being an ex-D&D player and all... :rolleyes: )

edit: xed with Volo

[Volo]

Yeah. It must have been a Goodie Gifted. Because there were two kills the preveous Night and now three, it can't really be Wolf or Bear as they have kills every Night.

[Volo]

(Except, of course, if Sauce is rolling those dice, being an ex-D&D player and all... :rolleyes: )
Haha! And that was probably a "special die" to have Fea taste her own medicine. :D

[Volo]

Wait a minute! A Cursed Villager! The preveous Night would be explained by that, or just a simple Ranger... :rolleyes:

*sigh*

[Aganzir]

While I agree that three kills for baddies would be too much, I have to ask which one of those kills could have been done by someone who is on our side? They're all quite brutal. Or then Spm is just having fun?

Tgwbs was killed by a wolf / wolves. That leaves Shasta and Fea. I guess one was killed by a bear / wolves / something, the other by an assassin or something that is on our side.

One thing maybe worth mentioning. Gil is apparently not playing. Assuming that he's no wolf and thus excluding him there are 8 of us left, and at least two of them should be baddies. Now if we had two wolf teams as I believe, there would be 2-4 wolves left. At worst it might be four wolves against four innocents. So everybody had better think even more carefully than usually who to vote, and when.
However improbable it might be that there are that many wolves, it is possible. And if there are, and they have realised this, I think it's better that we realise it too before it's too late.

Lommy, you said yesterDay you were slightly surprised by the kill choices (Legate and Rikae). May I ask who you would have expected to die, then?

[Thinlómien]

I don't think he'd give Izzie advice to be louder and then kill her for listening to the advice. Anyway, way too brave even for him to do as it would have been were he Wolf.I wouldn't ceratinly put that past him. :rolleyes:

As to my current feelings about our diminishing village.

Mormegil - Seems slightly more innocent than guilty, although suspecting those he always suspects would be a very good cover for a wolf.

Aganzir - I think she's very difficult to get a grasp on. She has done nothing to make me particularly suspicious. As a side note, she seems to be slipping under everybody's (including mine) radar...

Gil-Galad - Is not here and is hopefully innocent.

Volo - I think he feels innocent. (Although, at times he sems so confused that it looks like faking...)

Nogrod - He seems his normal self - helpful, contributing and smart. Yet, the problem is he is the same as a wolf. I have the feel I should start concentarting on him, as I've let him slip under my radar, or so it seems. If I had to bet for his intentions, I'd put my money for he being innocent, but I wouldn't be happy to do it.

Boromir88 - I don't know. He feels quite genuine, but something tells me that I shouldn't trust him too much. (Maybe common sense. :p) I'm not particularly worried about him right now.

The Sixth Wizard - Could be guilty, could be innocent. I think he always acts somewhat suspiciously, whatever his role. Yet, TGWBS took up good points against him. I'm wary of him.

Thinlómien - Innocent.

Mithalwen - She's my top suspect right now. Her sort of non-committality (is that a word?), placement in the Gil-discussion and my bad gut-feeling about her could point to her guilt. Also, I find her way of throwing suspiion and/or placing people into spotlight quite wolvish. For example, yesterDay she said I was slipping under everybody's radar, although morm had quite vocally suspected me and Sixth had expressed concern over my and Volo's chatting.

Is there really only 11 of us? :eek:

So, in conclusion:
innocentish - Boro, Volo
not too worried about - Agan, Noggie, (Gil)
just can't say - morm
slightly worried about - Sixth
seriously worried about - Mith

I have a slightly bad conscience because I feel I trust those I know from RL all too easily...

edit: xed with Agan

[Aganzir]

Is there really only 11 of us? :eek:
Actually, 9. :p

[Thinlómien]

Lommy, you said yesterDay you were slightly surprised by the kill choices (Legate and Rikae). May I ask who you would have expected to die, then?
Well, I wasn't expecting anything in particular, but not Rikae or Legate as they had been both (especially Legate) under suspicion and both had done something somewhat suspicion-awakening during the last hours of the previous day (Legate's vote explanation and Rikae's vote).

I'll go to sleep now (it's more than 3.30 am here) but I'll be back tomorrow (RL). Hopefully I will have time to analyse Mith.

edit: xed with Agan. Me and maths. :rolleyes:

[mormegil]

tgwbs -> Isabell
morm -> Lommy
Fea -> Gil
Volo -> Sixth
Mith -> Gil
Boro -> Fea (Isabell1, Lommy1, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Sixth -> Lommy (Isabell1, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Lommy -> Isabell (Isabell2, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Agan -> Isabell (Isabell3, Lommy2, Gil2, Sixth1, Fea1)
Isabell -> Feanor (Isabell3, Lommy2, Gil2, Fea2)
Shasta -> Gil (Isabell3, Lommy2, Gil3, Fea2)
Noggie -> Isabell (Isabell4, Lommy2, Gil3, Fea2)

Well 2 of the 3 Gil votes were by known innocents. Admittedly I could be wrong about Mith and if I am I deserve to be duped because she has me fooled. Just to make it clear to all and not to debate the point I am going under the assumption that we have a Bear and a pack of 3 wolves. We have a good guy who can kill at night too. That would explain why there was no third kill one night and a kill on the other. Also the good guy or the bear killed Menel. My guess is that the good guy killed Fea as she would have been a good suspect and neither the wolf nor bear would be likely to kill her.

I would feel safe to say that a wolf did not vote for Isabell yesterday but that doesn't mean the bear didn't. That is what complicates this.

So based on voting let's look shall we....

Morm votes the first vote for Lommy. I can't be too objective but I'll try. Lommy was suspicous at the time and continues to be so this vote is not overly significant but leading votes are always a bit suspicious especially when a wolf is killed later and the vote preceding it by an innocent TGWBS was for the wolf. It would seem that perhaps I was trying to avert an Isabell campaign, if so I was very unsuccessful and didn't really campaign strongly for Lommy's death per se.

Volo's vote for Sixth was an odd vote and never caught on. I haven't paid much attention to sixth as nothing has struck me as odd but again first votes are always a bit suspicious and what was said about me could be said here too. Was he trying to lead us astray. Gil may have been an easier choice though which leads us to....

Mith (dang my whole paragraph on Mith was erased) I'll write it again. I see Mith's vote for Gil as the most suspicious so far in as much as Gil is a nonfactor right now and it seems that this vote could have been an attempt to get an easy lynching of an easy candidate. However, would Mith be better served by voting for Lommy or Sixth and pushing a campaign in their direction? Even so, at this point would she realize how quickly the Izabell bandwagon would role. There was only one vote and not a huge amount of talk yet. I feel Mith is innocent and if she has fooled me I deserve to be duped and she deserves credit. I AM going to move her, in my mind, from innocent to slightly suspicious based on what I have said. I just realized in looking back up that Mith's vote was second which is slightly more suspcious because Gil was an easy kill and they almost succeded.

Boro votes for Fea which seems a bit premature to do so. I think this vote very suspicious just like I find Mith's. Fea could prove easy cannon fodder if somebody wanted her lynched and not many have played with her as much as I have (Boro and Mith are some that have) so Boro would realize that it would be easy to get the newer players to suspect her. However, I've been on Fea's team when we were wolves before and I saw her in action so I have a good read on her so that may be some excuse for Boro's vote. Boro is wise and cunning and makes an excellent baddie. He has single handedly beat everybody before so don't put anything past him...ever! He's a top suspect on my list.


I don't a lot of time remaining right now

What I am thinking now is that only those who tried to save Isabell last night are possible wolves. Any that voted for Isabell or others are possible bears so I think we pick off that last wolf today and focus on the bear tomorrow. Hopefully I will come back and do a bit more detail on the other voters too.

[mormegil]

Where is everybody?

Sixth's vote is tough to read because it could be from a wolf (if Lommy is innocent and I don't believe she's a wolf), bear or innocent. I haven't looked at him enough to really get a feel on him yet.


Lommy's vote for Isabell essentially exonerates her of lycanthropy in my mind as well as Agan and Noggie but doesn't eliminate them from being a bear. I would avoid the group that voted for Isabell yesterday as I already said. Hopefully I can review Boromir, Sixth, Volo and Mith in that order. I hope others would help me out on this and hope that people review me a bit more too.

[Boromir88]

I think it's time for me to spill everything. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a bad move, but I think now is the best time. There isn't much time left, and any known innocent (if you all can trust me) is going to give just one less person to have to think about voting for. The only thing is I wish I knew how many more baddies we have amongst us. But anyway...

it can't really be Wolf or Bear as they have kills every Night.~Volo
On there contraire, there is bear...moi. Though I promise I am a Great and good Bear, not a wicked Black Beorning that has turn to evil and kills for pure pleasure. Each night I have the choice of making a kill or guarding somebody (hence why Night 2 there were only 2 kills).

Night 1, Menel was my choice, I was thinking about guarding somebody, because I never want to make a dreadfully wrong choice for a kill. But, I talked myself into having the guts like Ang when he was the madman 007 assassin :rolleyes: .

Night 2, I wish I had the guts again because Isabell was my main suspect, but I thought any choice would have just been a shot in the dark, so I decided to guard Mormegil, and not kill that night.

Night 3, I thought first about killing Gil, just so he would no longer be a distraction. Then I changed to Shasta because I thought Shasta's vote at the end looked extremely wolvish, but alas I made an error.

So, there you have it, I am the Great Bear, with the ability to kill someone or guard someone at night. I'm probably going to turn out to be wolf meat tomorrow night, but with all these kills each night, I know we don't have a lot of time. I thought the best thing to do was to reveal, to give everyone a known innocent (if everyone trusts me) and just one less person to have to think about voting for. Also, before I'm dead, I hope to take another wolf down with me, so anything as far as whom I shall kill Night will be of great help and I'll take into consideration.

(I admit having the foolish hope that maybe with two wolves dead, there would be just one kill per Night. It sems I couldn't have been more wrong.)~Thinlo
Perhaps it was like that one village with the Werewolf Packleader? Wasn't there something like the wolves got 2 kills until the Packleader was dead, or was the only one left?

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... I'm inclined to believe Boro's claim. (Yet a little doubt remains in my mind. I mean, after the gifted-speculations which have taken place and growing suspicion against him, I find making such claim seems just somewhat shrug-worthy....) Well, I guess I'm going to believe him for now. He should die soon enough be he really innocent. (How comforting a thought. :rolleyes: ) Besides, a good bear in Anduin Vale sounds just fitting.

Do we have a balck beorning, some evil power opposed to the good bear? Or do we just have two wolf teams? I'm leaning to thinking we have two wolf teams with two (hopefully just two, three would be a disaster) wolves in each. Thus, Menel and Izzie were in different teams, as there still continue to be at least two kills per Night.

Morm, I think a fellow wolf might have voted Izzie in order to look better. That has happened quite often. Also, I'm not sure if a fellow wolf would have risked his/her neck by "trying to save" Izzie. (What "trying to save" votes there even were? The Izzie-wagon advanced quite rapidly and the only ones voting at the time of it, but not voting in it are dead. Makes me wonder...)

[Aganzir]

Thus, Menel and Izzie were in different teams, as there still continue to be at least two kills per Night.
But why would Izzie have saved Menel then? Or was her vote only random, as she said, and she didn't know Menel was a wolf?

I'm inclined to believe Boro, too. That explains also why all the kills were so brutal. :p
I think you could forget Gil. If he's a wolf and hasn't been contributing at all, I doubt Spm would let him win. That if anything would be unfair. But on the other hand, if the number of the wolves was as big as or bigger than the number of the contributing innocents, the wolves could just ignore Gil and decide in the thread who to lynch in order to win.
Anyway, maybe better if you try to catch a wolf? That at least improves our chances.

[Aganzir]

I would feel safe to say that a wolf did not vote for Isabell yesterday but that doesn't mean the bear didn't.
Apparently, the bear didn't.
However, I agree with Lommy that it's possible that also a wolf voted Izzie.

For two reasons:
1) Excluding tgwbs (dead & innocent) and me (innocent), there are still Lommy and Nogrod who voted for Izzie. I believe the both could vote a fellow wolf, but of those two I think Noggie is more suspicious. When he voted, it was already quite apparent that Isabell would die (she got three votes before Gil), and certainly Nogrod wouldn't try to save a fellow wolf by voting someone else when he has first said he'll probably vote Izzie.
2) If there are two wolf teams, a member of one could easily vote a member of the other. Especially if they don't know each other.

I think Izzie-voters should not be treated differently just because we happened to lynch a wolf.

[The Sixth Wizard]

I'm starting to think like morm now, that wondering what manifest evil we have is getting us off the track. What does it matter, Lommy, what variation of dastardly beasts we have after us? How will it affect our strategy? What we need to do is verify Beorn88's claim and find the evil guys.

Is there really only 11 of us?

*Are there* I do believe. ;)

2) If there are two wolf teams, a member of one could easily vote a member of the other. Especially if they don't know each other.

True. We can't rule out that the wolves didn't vote for another wolf by mistake, or that there are none left. Annoyingly, this rules no-one out, if we just go by votes.

[Mithalwen]

Only time for a skim through .... but I do find it amusing that Lommie suspects me for being non-committal while Nogrod suspects me for certainty..... :rolleyes:

Yet to decide about Boromir's alignment......

Ponders.... *goes for lunch and analgeasics*

[Volo]

Hah, Boro, I knew that would be the case and am very happy that it is. :) You deffinitely looked like the last Gifted (Ranger or Assassin), but now that you turn out to be both. Now that is good. Because that means we have two kills toDay, doesn't it?

As scary as the "M" in McDonalds. Worth attention:
Mithalwen - My top suspect, though I've let my attention down for some time. So many things to take into account...
Mormegil - I'm sure that Rikae and Legate didn't die just because they'd leave little trails. Of all the people, I think Mormegil would be the most capable in doing the deeds.

Worth more attention:
Nogrod - He is on the tip of a knife. I do feel like he's Innocent, unless there are two Wolf teams, and he being on Menel's side. Possible, but I think we should try finding the other Wolf first and see if we win.

Pretty much Innocentish:
Aganzir - The eyes of an Eagle finding all those clues in the narrations. If she's a Wolf, she deserves victory.
The Sixth Wizard - Well, since Izzie was evil, I'm pretty happy thinking that Sixth is Innocent.
Thinlómien - Lommy has pretty much flown out of my radar's reach. Though I'm very happy to think that she's Innocent. So far things have looked in her favour.

The Beauty and the Beast:
Volo - Innocent (and I wouldn't say that were I Wolf, just droppes off the possibility of playing a Gifted).
Boromir88 - As stated in the first lines of this post, I trust him, completely.

The evil behind it all:
Gil-Galad - Forget him, he's not in the game. Although if he is using the flaw SPM's rules and is a Wolf who just sends one PM in a Night and does nothing else, kudos. But you don't deserve victory! :p Forget him. If he wins, we don't lose and could just swallow our pride and accept it.

[mormegil]

Morm, I think a fellow wolf might have voted Izzie in order to look better. That has happened quite often. Also, I'm not sure if a fellow wolf would have risked his/her neck by "trying to save" Izzie. (What "trying to save" votes there even were? The Izzie-wagon advanced quite rapidly and the only ones voting at the time of it, but not voting in it are dead. Makes me wonder...)

There is truth in this Thinlo and if true it is likely that Nogrod would be the wolf. If he broke the tie for Isabell by voting for Gil it wold have only been too obvious perhaps. And voting for a third candidate to even tie it up in three way such as voting Lommy would be pointless as Isabell was the first to reach three votes and would have died. Thank you Lommy for reminding me of this. Too true and Nogrod is not out of suspcion of being a wolf or a black beorning. I highly doubt that Agan is a wolf in that his was the third vote for Isabell but an evil bear is a distinct possibility there.

I am going under the assumption that Boro is innocent as he says. The idea fits perfectly into what I've been saying all along. With that said it is important that we get a baddie tonight. That will give us a bit of breathing room as I speculate kills would drop to one a night. If we don't get one tonight the situation looks grave indeed, especially with Gil (likley innocent) not being around to help out one bit. :(

[Volo]

In all the possibilities the survivors on Day5:

(Another name could be instead of Mith and/or Morm, but since I suspect them the most I put their names where they are.)

Dead:
Mithalwen - Lynched.
Mormegil - Killed by Boro.
Boromir88 - Killed by Wolf/Wolves.
+ X - If Mith turns out to be Innocent and the Wolves don't both target Boro, then one more person will be dead.

Alive:
Aganzir
Gil-Galad
Volo
Nogrod
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien
- X

1. In the worst case there are five of us left tomorrow. Two of which Wolves. The problem being Nogrod's and Lommy's absence (noted in Admin Thread). Still pretty good chances to win.*

*Ah, maybe no. If Gil is Innocent and doesn't vote. Then we're in trouble.

2. Second worst case would be that we catch only one Wolf and we still have only five survivors (i.e. Boro kills a Wolf but we lynch an Innocent). Much more probable to me than possibility 1.

3. We lynch a Wolf, Boro kills a Wolf, we win straight away.


And don't forget that I'm not putting a Wolf stamp on Mith and Morm yet!


EDIT: Xd with Morm.

[Thinlómien]

Volo - how come you're so sure about the numbers of the gifted and the baddies? I mean, on what grounds do you assume that we have just one gifted left? And on what grounds do you assume we have two wolves around? Have I missed something or are you possibly a bit too quick to jump to assumptions?

I must say, morm's bugging me too. I mean, he seems to pretend to be more stupid than he is. I just feel his arguments are more full of holes than normally, and it troubles me.

As to the absence I talked about in the admin thread, I doubt it will exist as we're probably not going aboard (we've been switching whether we go or not for about a week now... :rolleyes: ).

[Volo]

Volo - how come you're so sure about the numbers of the gifted and the baddies? I mean, on what grounds do you assume that we have just one gifted left? And on what grounds do you assume we have two wolves around? Have I missed something or are you possibly a bit too quick to jump to assumptions?
Ok, I do admit that it was a bit quick to assume. I (and you yourself) don't believe there were six Wolves in total, that would be a bit too much. And anyway, if that is the case, we're already doomed (if the Wolves can win united)... :rolleyes:

And I didn't have any need assuming we have more Gifteds. If that is the case, it's great. Anyway, I don't/didn't think we have more Gifteds.

At the moment I think we have (just to make myself clear):
- 2 Wolves, possibly (and probably) from opposite teams.
- 1 Ranger/Assassin, Boromir the Bear
- 6 Innocents

[Nogrod]

Whether one trusts Boro's claim or not one should do well not to vote for him toDay. If he actually is the assassin/ranger I don't believe there is a normal ranger as well. So the wolves (or whichever Godzillas) will kill him during the Night. In the best case he is able to defend himself or to take one baddie with him and in the worst he's just one innocent less. Those of us still alive will know all this toMorrow. So I would leave Boro be even if I'm not at all ready to put it past him to fool us completely here.

Right now I'm growing very suspicious of Mith. Her vote for Gil yesterDay looks pretty bad - even though both Fea and Shasta voted Gil as well. It's just a bad vote and one that a wolf would like to cast.

We should not forget that even though the victorius Isabell-wagon realised itself pretty late on the Day it was clearly something everyone knew was coming. Her getting lynched was no surprise to anyone as so many people had said that they would be voting her. So if Mith is (was) in cahoots with Isabell she would not have wished to vote for her but to bring forwards another candidate, Gil the easy kill that is...

[Aganzir]

Nogrod, could you please explain these comments from Day 2? They keep troubling me.

The familiar logic of all the baddies knowing each other vs. all the blind goodies doesn't work here. . . . So possibly not two sides but three.
To me it seems that you're saying "Hi, I'm a wolf, where's the other team? I know you're out there, we could co-operate."


The Beauty and the Beast:
Volo - Innocent (and I wouldn't say that were I Wolf, just droppes off the possibility of playing a Gifted).
Boromir88 - As stated in the first lines of this post, I trust him, completely.
I didn't know there were lovers in this game. ;) :p

[Nogrod]

Just a quick look at people here. I'll be able to play more nearer the end of the Day but now need to make dinner and clean up before my father comers to visit us.

Gil - let's leave him be. The odds are that he is an innocent and then counts on our numbers. I do agree with Volo here: if he is a wolf and wins he doesn't actually win. The moral victory would be ours then.

Boro - as I said let's see it with him toMorrow for the next Night will tell us a
lot about him anyway.

Aganzir and Lommy - they both feel genuine but I must admit that they have more or less flown under my radars and I would need to change that. I hope get a klook at them later toDay.

Morm - it's good to see morm back on action after those oneliner Days. Not one I would be happy to vote toDay as he can be a useful villager. But I need to read him a bit more closely before making any judgements.

Volo - as odd as always :p. He's one of those I find extremely hard to grasp (like Rune).

The Sixth - after Isabell turned out a wolf I think it highly unlikely that Sixth is a wolf as well (two wolves trying to save their mate just minutes apart from each other). But if the wolves (or whatever baddies there are) don't know about each other it could be possible though.

Mith - I'm getting suspicious of (see my earlier post). I'm going to read her later toDay to see whether my suspicions are worth something.


Nogrod, could you please explain these comments from Day 2? They keep troubling me.
The familiar logic of all the baddies knowing each other vs. all the blind goodies doesn't work here. . . . So possibly not two sides but three.
To me it seems that you're saying "Hi, I'm a wolf, where's the other team? I know you're out there, we could co-operate."In the quote I was actually just reminding us that we can't probably interpret the Nightly kills in traditional manner as there is a chance that the wolves (godzillas, whatever) don't know each other or that there may even be three sides and thence the logic is different. Now I would only add that the very same thing adheres to our interpretation of the Day's voting as well...

Even as we don't know the exact structure of this game there assumedly are two sets of baddies ranging from 1-3 each side. If they could win in cahoots the game would be highly inbalanced against us. And why then there being two different camps if they can win together? And if they can't they will be rivals to each other. And that is good news to us.

There being an actual competition between the baddies would make the game more even as well: lots of baddies around but rivalling each other. I think that would sound like a Spm game.

The only thing that kind of bothers me with this interpretation is that how come the baddies haven't killed any other baddies during the Nights? Just bad luck? That brings me to the question about who killed Menel in the first place? Boro said he did it and that sounds believable. But is he what he claims to be? Well, we'll see about that toMorrow.

Gah. Confusing...

[Volo]

and more than one wolf - probably more than two since, I think it would be unusual and technically incorrect ot use some when referring to two. Two wolves in such a large village would be suprising
I have a mighty feeling that Mith is Izzie's pair. And that there are two Wolf teams, both of two Wolves.
That comment feels like a bit too much knowledge has been given to much. As is she knew that there are (or might be) two teams of two Wolves. Ok, I might be overthinking, but...

[Nogrod]

Here's what Mith has said about Isabell in this whole game...

#99
And Isabellkya has returned and is new and perhaps should be given a chance (we have perhaps enough candidates for one night) . But I would say that quiet people survive because they are given the benefit of the doubt too long .. and then sometime villages panic or are manipulated into lynching them when there is no room for error and find that they were innocent all along.

#180
Izzy seems to be a Gil-stitute.. which wouldn't be so bad if we didn't also, in theory also have Gil.

#312
Isabellkya reminds me a lot of Gil in behaviour. Has attracted the attention, been given the benefit of the doubt at first and then attracted a fair number of votes.

Funny that she doesn't even comment on the most suspicious issue with Isabell (the Menel-saving vote), not to say she would have even considered voting her... A wolf-mate would do just that, stay silent about the topics that bring your ally to the fore and just ignore them.

I would say Mith seems to be avoiding discussing Isabell and that I find suspicious.

[Mithalwen]

Volo, my word were based on a thorough knowledge of the English language and common sense.

Perhaps we should ask Nogrod why voting Gil was so bad when he suggested. There will be laughter in paradise from me if you lynch me and Gil turns out to be a wolf.

I think Nogrod has been suspicious with his commments and voting. When I sussed out Menel he applauded my thoughts - but failed to make the vote that would have lynched him. Now he seems to claim that my success was based on knowledge not good instincts - with what intent? My guess is he has been keeping me around as a foil - needed to keep a few talkers to stop him looking so exposed. No doubt he will claim some Agent Provocateur role but I think Loup-Provocateur is more likely.

If I look suspicious - do you not think that was intended to a point? I got lynched night one last game for looking so innocent. Of course if is a hard act to balance.
Lynching me won't help the innocents at all.

[Mithalwen]

Your late vote saved Menel in my opinion. And though we know now that Isabeelkya was a wolf we don't know that you are innocent. Isabella at least at that point was a hapless newbie. You are not.

Attack is clearly your chosen form of defence but when I challenged you, you became very defensive. Histrionic almost....

[Volo]

You might want to examine the chat between Nogrod and Mith during Day1. Seems like they found out each other's teams there. That is they do feel like Wolves and there were many things that hint of their understanding on Day1. Just read through Nogrod's and Mith's posts.


Day2:

Nogrod encourages the idea of Durelin triggering her own death.
Also he symphasises with Izzie (until her death is pretty clear later on).
#144 Is a wierd little rant that might be worth noticing.

A lot of pretty empty talk from both Nogrod and Mith who now began quarelling together. Still rather weak and safe talk, no real accusations, but slowly advancing. Given that there are two opposite Wolf teams, this might be a Wolf on Wolf arguing.

Nogrod "creates difference in the voting" by raising an anti-Izzie campaing. I still have no idea whatsoever what the wisdom of that was... He mentions it only once during Day3 and doesn't go for any analyses. Just to create some talk hiding the real Wolves?


Day3:

Mith thinks of Izzie as the second Gil-Galad. Might be a good trick, as GG is usually lynched Innocent from pure paranoia.

Nogrod slowly moves to the lynching of Izzie though still keeping Sixth as a possibility. Says that he might be turned to vote Gil, I think he should have known better...

In #344 Nogrod still gives himself loads of space giving many names he might vote. Wouldn't an Innocent want to be more clear by the cost of not being able to change the suspect in the last minute as there is no sure information anyway. Well, ok, I have to admit that voting in the last minute is pretty typical with Nogrod, but...


Day4 (toDay):

Nogrod's post #387 looks fake. If Izzie's demise was already so certain, why did you have so many suspects to the very end and why, in that case, would Mith still try saving Izzie to look bad next Day?

I feel that your are waiting for Boro to survive next Night. Anyway, that is something an Innocent shouldn't have mentioned. If Boro survives the Night, he might be the one lynched tomorrow. I think that's a bad idea.


Having said that I'll stay with my main suspects: Mith, Morm and Nogrod. I'm even feeling like leaving Morm the possibility to defend himself tomorrow, though I think that there will be no need for that if we lynch/Borokill Mith and Nogrod. It's just such a soap. :rolleyes:

I shoud have a break now, too much WW makes you feel confused.

[Volo]

Oh, Nogrod. Your post #391 was pretty lame, as you yourself used words very similar to those about Izzie. Sorry, that felt a move a bit too confident.

But neither has Mith drawn sympathy with those posts.


Hey! Anobody else awake, or are you the Wolves staying low and laughing at the loud ones as they tear each other into pieces? :confused:

[mormegil]

I must say, morm's bugging me too. I mean, he seems to pretend to be more stupid than he is. I just feel his arguments are more full of holes than normally, and it troubles me.

*sighs*

Well I am glad I'm bugging you, honestly, but I'm sorry if my arguements don't match up to your superior air tight cases presented to all of us. I'm doing the best I have when I have time. Perhaps since I'm not as prolific in my post as in times past it's easier to see the lack of lucidity in my thoughts.

Anyway Mith seems passionate and when she does get this way I find her even easier to read and honestly I see her as very lucid and intact. I say she is innocent. Nogrod on the the other hand continues to look more guilty by the minute to me. He seems insincere and not very genuine. It feels as though he's putting on an act...notice Lommy a lot of what I am saying are feelings so possibly not air tight :p.

[Thinlómien]

Well I am glad I'm bugging you, honestly, but I'm sorry if my arguements don't match up to your superior air tight cases presented to all of us. I'm doing the best I have when I have time. Perhaps since I'm not as prolific in my post as in times past it's easier to see the lack of lucidity in my thoughts. Alright, alright. But I wasn't comparing to my "air tight" :rolleyes: cases, but to your previous cases in previous games. I know you wanted to try a different, "less serious" approach to ww, but that does not mean you'll get away with playing dumb... :p

As to Mith, her reactions to the accusations against her just scream a wolf. Both her insincerity and her retaliatory attack against Nogrod right after Aganzir had questioned him. A bit like a desperate wolf trying to make a case against someone who the village might turn against...

[Aganzir]

I feel that your are waiting for Boro to survive next Night. Anyway, that is something an Innocent shouldn't have mentioned. If Boro survives the Night, he might be the one lynched tomorrow. I think that's a bad idea.
I guess Boro could speak himself out of the situation pretty easily, were he a beorning or a wolf. And I think the wolves should know it also, so it's just easier for them if they kill him. Unless they have a very good tactic how to get him lynched... :rolleyes:

Noggie and Mith are my main suspects at the moment, and I will probably vote either of them.

Mith has been slipping under my radar, and that's not a good thing. She's been voting quite safely, except the first Day when she voted Menel. But I think she could be a wolf as well, especially if she and Menel were in different teams. But then I don't know about Izzie - if the wolf teams consisted of two wolves, why would Izzie have saved Menel if they weren't in the same team? Or was it not deliberate, and she didn't know he was a wolf?

I've gradually started to feel quite bad about Noggie during these last two Days. I had actually started doing an analysis of him toDay, but then my computer destroyed it and I thought I won't do it again (at least not yet, as I'm afraid I don't have the patience at the moment). But even that stump of an analysis made him look quite suspicious. Jumpy. Not genuine.

I'm quite sure that either Nogrod or Mith is a wolf (if not both). We can lynch one toDay, and Boro might kill the other at Night?

[Nogrod]

What is this now?

What more do you people require?

I'm very sorry that I have only been able to pick up one baddie / Day this far. :confused:

Talking of which... lynching Mith could give us one more. Her outright silence on Isabell & ducking the issue just scream a wolf. And note also Lommy's points just a few posts back.

[Volo]

I guess Boro could speak himself out of the situation pretty easily, were he a beorning or a wolf. And I think the wolves should know it also, so it's just easier for them if they kill him. Unless they have a very good tactic how to get him lynched... Just warning... and saving Boro from wasting his time. :)

Mith has been slipping under my radar, and that's not a good thing. She's been voting quite safely, except the first Day when she voted Menel. But I think she could be a wolf as well, especially if she and Menel were in different teams. But then I don't know about Izzie - if the wolf teams consisted of two wolves, why would Izzie have saved Menel if they weren't in the same team? Or was it not deliberate, and she didn't know he was a wolf?Let's not make wild guesses on how well the Wolves know each other. Though there did seem to be flirtation between Nogrod and Mith during the first Day. I think that maybe only later Mith understood that Menel is also a Wolf. (Two She-Wolfes and two He-Wolves as teams?)

Well, I agree with Aganzir. But though there is no real need to hurry, it would be good to start deciding already now.


EDIT: Xd with Nogrod

[Aganzir]

I'm very sorry that I have only been able to pick up one baddie / Day this far. :confused:
And Noggie-wolf wouldn't do that? Remember what you said in post #221.
Do you really think a wolf-Noggie would have hanged around 1.30 AM half-dead from several days of 4 hour sleeps RL just to get more suspected? To save Menel perhaps? Oh no. I was a wolf with Menel once. I lynched him on Day1 and contributed to it heavily earlier on the Day (aided by Boro). No way. For wolf-Noggie it's the security of himself and his image among the villagers.

[Mithalwen]

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

[Mithalwen]

Noone out there... maybe I'll survive the day after all ..all taking after Nogrod and playing who blinks first .....

[Mithalwen]

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Parsin

[Aganzir]

I was away almost an hour, and only three posts. And they're from the same person. Is there really no one else around? :rolleyes:

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Parsin
?

[Mithalwen]

I'm through explaining myself. Google it.

[Mithalwen]

ú-chebin estel anim. I never expected to get out of this one alive and if you are going to continue to be boring I may as well get on with things that serve a purpose.

And though I have kept no hope for myself I can perhaps aid my fellows and ensure that all you innocents, who think yourself so clever for suspecting me, lose.

Even when you kill me your job is at best half done. There will be still two wolf kills tonight and barring disasters wolves will at least equal the innocents. If they don't they will form an impressive voting bloc - and you are pinning your hopes on Gil..... And you will have wasted todays chance to find a key wolf and get any clues from the votes for me.

Perhaps the others will take out Boromir (thanks for your help in innocent killing my friend!)? Would be a pity to double up.

And Mormegil ..... even a wolvish heart has a soft spot. I am truly sorry for deceiving you and never expected to. I would have killed you before you posted but I knew that would be a cop out. The fact that you believed me makes me feel less of a failure.

I will go now ..... must be the first time a wolf has been so bored they have handed themselves in.

This is the way the world ends, this is the way the world ends....

[mormegil]

++Nogrod

I really got slammed at work and don't believe I'll have a minute to give later so I will vote now.

[Mithalwen]

Oh sorry, mustn't forget to do my civic duty before I go.

++Nogrod
because he's worth it.....

[Mithalwen]

Oh morm ..... but bless you ..... the strangest cross post ever...... namarie

[Aganzir]

++ Mithalwen

Good that she said that this early, because I would probably have voted Nogrod otherwise.

[Thinlómien]

My head hurts.

[Volo]

Well, I don't believe you Mith, in everything...

++Mith

If Sir SPM indeed put two Wolves too many into the mess, be it so. But let's fight to the very last! Then the Sun shall rise over our dead bodies and She'll know that we died for the Truth! In shall not be a vain victory! Be it as it shall, but Morgoth shall fall before us!


EDIT: Crossed with Aganzir and Lommy.

[Volo]

Well, looking at this, I'd say that Boro should devour Nogrod.

[Mithalwen]

More fool you then.

[Mithalwen]

Oh yes please I have been wanting to kill Nogrod for days....

[Mithalwen]

Possibly

[Thinlómien]

++Mith

That's all I'm (and have been :p) certain about.

Mith - I'm glad morm xed with you. So, after all, we'll have at least one vote to analyse. :p

And I think Mith's words should be ignored. Everything that dang creature says or has said since her uncloaking. Even though (some of) her words might be true and so could help us, I don't recommend using them to anything. (Except maybe for amusement... but it might prove dangerous too...)

edit: xed with everything since Volo's vote

[Volo]

Be quiet, peasant!

[Mithalwen]

Oh this is fabulous.. I might even forgo Shark...

[Mithalwen]

What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior ...

[Mithalwen]

You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship, A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the wolving classes ...

[Mithalwen]

++Mith

That's all I'm (and have been :p) certain about.



Well it takes one to know one so they say... :Merisu:

[Nogrod]

Oh Mith! You're probably the first werewolf ever who reveals being a wolf just out of boredom. :rolleyes:

But it's always pleasant to see one is right about things.

I'll just give my vote a thought before sending it. As you know my ways - I wish to see all the possibilities before action. I mean what if Mith is a cobbler or something. Would her suicide then help the baddies...? Back in a minute.

[Mithalwen]

But maybe that is what I want you to do. Maybe I wasn't joking about courting suspicion. I know I have served my purpose. :D

[Mithalwen]

Why are you suprised. I seldom vote for people who amuse me early on. Even if I deeply suspect them. Anguirel I want him live longer, becasue like Fea he is a player who can "make the sky rain diamonds" ..

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod - I'm pretty confident that there is no cobbler in this game since there already was a Priestess of Sauron. Whatever the function of that role was, I think it would anyway give the baddies too big an advantage to have a normal cobbler around as well. So, thereby, I'm quite confident Mith is a wolf.

edit: xed with Mith's newest

[Mithalwen]

And Nogrod, what on earth does it take for you to commit to a course of action? You will be there at 11.29 still dithering....

[Mithalwen]

Yeah but you can't be sure..... and you all decided it was pointless looking at Sauce's narrations...

[Volo]

And the other possibility is that you vote yourself, which is, in several ways, well, immoral.

Good night

[Mithalwen]

Well Volo, as one of my tutors once said in response to some enquiry of mine about some aspect of some gothic novel, " if you are looking for conventional morality, you've come to the wrong place"

[Nogrod]

I think Lommy is right. It would be a bit too unfair to have both the priestess of Sauron and a cobbler in the game. And anyhow I think that all depends on the actual situation we're in - the number of wolves left and the winning conditions. If we have four wolves left and they can win jointly we're dead already without any miracles. If we have one or two wolves - possibly on different sides eg. needing to kill each other first for victory we have no reason to panic.

++ Mith

One more down.

[Mithalwen]

You see, you are constitutionally capable of voting before the deadline. Now go and have a nice early night and you won't be so grouchy in the morning... :p

[Thinlómien]

Where's Boro? I think it'd be good if our known innocent (or assumed known innocent, whatever) could contribute a bit more before he dies...

I'm wondering who is or are the final wolf/wolves, since I don't think Mith is the last remaining wolf. She wouldn't have committed suicide in that case.

Now I've reached my problematic stage of not suspecting anyone in particular... I mean morm's not too bad after all and others seem more innocent than guilty... Maybe I should start suspecting Sixth. I mean, I don't think Izzie's guilt makes him an innocent, unlike many people here seem to think. (Or then it's Gil... :rolleyes: )

edit: xed with the volcano

[Mithalwen]

Of course Boro may be working on his own account. And I promise you poppet, it is wolves.

[Mithalwen]

Ni! Ni! Ni ... Peng ... Nee ... Wum!

[Thinlómien]

Mith... are you... alright? :p

[Mithalwen]

Would it matter? I am about to take a bitter pill but it cures all ills...

[Mithalwen]

But if you were to build a large wooden badger...

[Thinlómien]

A badger? Why not a bunny? Or a horse?

Or a penguin, actually?

[Boromir88]

Where's Boro? I think it'd be good if our known innocent (or assumed known innocent, whatever) could contribute a bit more before he dies...
Sorry Thinlo, Mon-Thur. aren't my good days (I mentioned it the last village). I work from 6 am til 5, and just got back and have been reading through the thread.

With that I will vote for:

++Mithalwen

Evil little trickster.

Sorry Volo, I can't guard myself but maybe I can kill a wolf in the process. I have a decent idea of whom is a wolf, it's a shot. But if I don't have the guts to 'pull the trigger' I might guard someone else in order to try and stop a kill from happening.

I apologize that I couldn't participate more today.

[The Sixth Wizard]

I was away almost an hour, and only three posts.

Welcome to my world.

Nice job Mith, for revealing just because you were bored. Saves me a lot of reading.

++Mithalwen

"'E's already got one?"

"Yes, it's vera nice."

"Well can we come up and have a look?"

[Nogrod]

My father got to bed at last...

Okay, a few ideas still to share before the Day ends.

I have thought Volo a bit odd all the game. I'm not sure if that is in any way exceptional. But his eagerness to jump on lynching me looks pretty bad indeed. I mean one time he finds me most innocent and then in a minute he's ready to lynch me if there seems to be enough others to share that view. I'd take a really close look on him toMorrow as that looks to me pretty wolvish way to act.

Morm and Sixth have posted relatively little and if someone could be said to be a free-rider here I would look at those two.

Gil is another matter then... but I'm afraid we will need him for numbers.

Lommy and Aganzir I see no problem with them but then should that be the problem?

Boro: if you have a decent idea I say you go for it. If there are a lot of wolves around it might just hit - and in a case of us having more than one wolf around we'd sorely need the additional wolf-kills.

[Volo]

Sorry Volo, I can't guard myself but maybe I can kill a wolf in the process. I have a decent idea of whom is a wolf, it's a shot. But if I don't have the guts to 'pull the trigger' I might guard someone else in order to try and stop a kill from happening.
Well, coming all the way out of the world of dreams, I suggest you try the kill. After all a kill per Night is worth more than a save per Night, if there are indeed two Wolf kills, and if not, you will probably be the target. :/

[Thinlómien]

I guess I will be pretty much suspecting everyone toMorrow... That is a decision: I have to bring myself to suspect someone at least somewhat seriously. :D

Anyway, just in case I'm not here to say this toMorrow, please do the same and suspect everyone, (especially morm and Sixth :p). Oh, and suspect everybody that slip under your radar too...

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, we're done here. Step away from the thread.

I am sure that you will all be awaiting the outcome of toDay's vote with eager anticipation. So, without further ado ...

... I'll go away and write it. :p

[The Saucepan Man]

Following the confession of the anarcho-syndicalism commune’s temporary executive officer, it did not take long for the delegates to decide who should be put to death this Day. It would have been quicker, but the delegate of INSTRAW demanded that the confession be transcribed, signed and sealed in triplicate by Mithalwen, ratified by a majority resolution of the general assembly and then witnessed by each delegate present. Five hours later, the documentation was finally complete and the dwindling group of delegates turned to confront Mithalwen.

“Your deluding yourselves if you think this is democracy,” said Mithalwen, as fur began to spread over her body. “What gives any of you the right to deal out death in judgement?”

“But Radagast told us this is what we had to do,” answered mormegil.

“Look, you can’t go round killing people, just because some dodgy geriatric image told you to,” replied Mithalwen, sprouting a fine set of whiskers.

“But you confessed,” pointed out Boromir88.

“No I didn’t,” said Mithalwen, her ears lengthening.

“Ooh, you liar, yes you did!” shrieked Nogrod. “She’s a Wolf! Burn her!”

“But my confession is riddled with procedural irregularities,” explained Mithalwen, dropping to all fours. “For a start, my tenure as executive officer expired earlier toDay and so I lacked authority to confess. Ratification will require a two-thirds majority of every man, woman and child in my commune.”

“Um … perhaps we could send some kind of a messenger to obtain it,” suggested Thinlómien.

“Rubbish!” declared Volo. “I may be from as far as it gets, but even I know that she made that confession in her capacity as a Werewolf, not as temporary executive officer of her commune.”

“He’s got a point,” observed mormegil.

“Aye, and so have I,” added Aganzir, hefting her axe.

“OK then,” said Mithalwen defiantly, as cruel red claws extended from her fingers and toes. “You can’t kill me because that would constitute persecution of an ethnic minority. It would be oppression by the majority.”

“You’re not an ethnic minority! You’re an evil, vicious Werewolf, with nasty, big, pointy teeth,” said The Sixth Wizard, bringing his fingers to his mouth to illustate the point.

“That’s as maybe,” replied Mithalwen, corroborating his observation by baring her nasty, big, pointy teeth. “But I’m still in the minority. And anyway, I’m a member of an endangered species.”

“In that case,” said Thinlómien, “perhaps you would care to show us your protected species order.”

“Shan’t” growled Mithalwen, readying to pounce.

“Oh, I’ve had enough of this,” muttered Volo. “Let’s just kill her.”

“Infamy! Infamy” They’ve all got it in fer me,” howled Mithalwen, as she sprang forwards to meet the mob in mortal combat. But they were prepared and set upon her with intent to dismember the honourable member for the anarcho-syndicalism commune.

“Help! Help! I’m being repressed,” cried Mithalwen, moments before her Wolfish head was forcefully liberated from her body.

"Ecky-ecky-ecky-ecky-pikang-zoop-boing-goodem-zoo-owli-zhiv!" it shrieked, as it flew through the air.

“What an eccentric performance,” observed Boromir88.

“…” agreed Gil-Galad.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Oridnary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)
Isabellkya - Mometarily caught off guard by a darting fox and set upon by the angry mob on Day 3 (Werewolf)
Shastanis Althreduin - Had the life squeezed from his Half human, half equine form on Night 3 (Oridnary Innocent)
the guy who be short - Consumed and reduced to nothing but bare bones on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil - Brutally attacked yet lived long enough to write her bloody epitaph on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent).
Mithalwen - Went down fighting in a dubious pastiche of British classic comedy and was summarily dismembered by a unanimous motion of the general assembly on Day 4 (Werewolf).

The living:

Mormegil
Aganzir - the Dwarf delegate of a Woodsmen village
Gil-Galad
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien - the Delegate of INSTRAW

That’s Day 4 done. Night 4 beckons for those that have things to do.

[The Saucepan Man]

The delegates awoke on Day 5 to find that there had been only one death overnight. There in the village square lay a great white Wolf with red claws and sky blue eyes, battered, bruised and bloody. She had already drawn her last breath and as the remaining delegates watched, she transformed back into human form.

Aganzir, the dwarf delegate from a Woodsmen village had been a Werewolf!

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Oridnary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)
Isabellkya - Mometarily caught off guard by a darting fox and set upon by the angry mob on Day 3 (Werewolf)
Shastanis Althreduin - Had the life squeezed from his Half human, half equine form on Night 3 (Oridnary Innocent)
the guy who be short - Consumed and reduced to nothing but bare bones on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil - Brutally attacked yet lived long enough to write her bloody epitaph on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent).
Mithalwen - Went down fighting in a dubious pastiche of British classic comedy and was summarily dismembered by a unanimous motion of the general assembly on Day 4 (Werewolf).
Aganzir - Battered, bruised and bloodied and left to die on Night 4 (Werewolf)

The living:

Mormegil
Gil-Galad
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien - the Delegate of INSTRAW

Day 5 has started. Do your mooting thing.

[Thinlómien]

Just one person dead and she was a wolf....

There is just one way I can interpret this. There are no wolves left, that's why there was no other kill last Night.

There is a bad/independent bear, not a good one, since even though a wolf died the game's not over.

Boromir, it was clever of you to claim to be half a ranger and on the good people's side. I'm sorry to say that it works no more.

Unless someone presents me with any even slightly as credible a theory, I will not consider voting anyone else but Boro toDay.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Thy shame is seen Boromir.

Does this mean that the game will be over after Boro is dead?

[Boromir88]

Thinlomien, I'm sorry you are completely wrong.

I did lie yesterday, but my purpose for revealing worked perfectly. See I didn't tell the complete truth, and trust me it worked out only to the village benefit, it would be best if you put your crazy talk to rest.

I had another power and that was the ability to protect myself. If the wolves came after me, I could protect myself and kill one of my attackers while still surviving. I also lied as I did not guard Morm on Night 2, but I protected myself then. I was trying to make it obvious that I killed Menel to get the wolves after me so I could take down another one. That didn't work. So, after a failed kill I decided I would reveal my identity to get the wolves to come after me. Yet, not be completely truthful and let them in on my other ability to protect myself, so instead of taking a chance and killing one, I wanted them to attack me at night. This time my trap worked brilliantly.

So, like I said sit down and go focus on lynching someone else.

[Nogrod]

I would be intertested to see what Boro has as his version of the matters. I mean there's a point in Lommy's interpretation of the Night's events... so why only one kill?

We have killed a host of wolves already: Menel, Isabellkya, Mith, Aganzir... and the baddie priestess Kath. There can't be an endless number of baddies around and as the kills suddenly went down to just one...

But I think we'd do well to construct this then.

Theory1)
So Mith and Isabellkya were a team and Mith tried to avoid
discussing her mate when she had made a fumble saving Menel who later turned out to be a wolf? It's no wonder Mith chose this issue of Menel-lynch as one she went after me as it was close to her heart.

Then it must be that Menel and Aganzir formed the other pair. Nicely played I say as at least at this moment I can't recall any exchanges between the two (and it's too late for me to go skimming through the whole thread right now).

Theory2)
Or then Isabell was in cahoots with Menel and actually tried to save her mate and was lynched for it.

Again, a nice play from Mith and Aganzir as I can't at the moment recall any open pointing at each other from either of them. And thinking of Mith she might have tried to duck the issue of a possible rivalling wolf (Isabell) just because she believes in fair play. That might also explain part of her frustration yesterDay...

Either way, these both theories look believable to me at least now even though I might say the first one is more believable..

So let's go a bit backwards then...

Last Night
dead: Aganzir
(remaining baddie: Boro?)

The Night before (Night3)
dead: Shasta, tgwbs, Fea
(remaining baddies: Mith-wolf, Aganzir-wolf, Boro-bear?)

Looks sensible to me without better theories to come forwards...

And earlier...

Night2
dead: Rikae, Legate (seer)
(baddies: Isabell & Mith - Aganzir - and Boro didn't he kill then?)

Night1
dead: Menel, Rune, Durelin (thief)
(baddies: Isabell & Mith - Menel & Aganzir - Boro)

Now there were only two kills on Night two. Boro said he involuntarily guarded morm that Night. I think that is one of the weak links in his story. Now why on earth this choice? (No offence morm but if you're earnest why would someone had picked you up as the one definitively innocent among the whole crowd?) Maybe he's a kind of baddie who can only kill every other Night? That would settle it - and not make the baddies too overwhelming in the first place. And looking at his spotting-capabilities this Night I would say he's a seer every other Night...

Or whatever.

Just waiting for a better explanation to come forwards.

EDIT: X'd with Sixth & Boro

[Boromir88]

Maybe he's a kind of baddie who can only kill every other Night? That would settle it - and not make the baddies too overwhelming in the first place. And looking at his spotting-capabilities this Night I would say he's a seer every other Night...~Nogrod
No seering ability. And I can kill as many nights in a row as I wish. I can't protect myself two straight nights and I can't guard the same person for two straight nights.

If you want something better than a 'theory' and that is the facts. I am a Bear with the powers of guarding somebody, protecting myself from attack, or killing someone. No seer, no thief, nothing else. Thats it. I win along with the village whether I'm dead or alive, so I could really care less if you lynch me today, but you won't win by doing it that I promise.

[Thinlómien]

Well, that sure provoked some reactions, like I wished. :D

Anyway, I think my theory makes sense. It might not be the truth, but it's the only sensible alternative I can come up with. There's just one weak link: why was there no wolf kill last Night? The answer is easy. Agan attacked Boro, but the real ranger (not some bluffing bear) fell for Boro's lies and protected him.

Boro, I'm sorry to say, but you fail to convince me. Your manner is not that of what you claim to be. It's that of a baddie's who is in a trap. (Your "calmness" feels wrong and you saying "it worked perfectly" just sounds too bad.) Secondly, your claim is unbelievable. What is that, a hunter+assasin that cannot die in the hands of wolves? Sounds a bit too invincible for any sensible game. (Even though, I'm not sure oif this is a sensible game but... :rolleyes: )

Nogrod, there's a problem with your theory #2. According to my logic it can't be true, for if Menel and Isabell were one team, why would there have been three kills after they both had died...?

edit: xed with Boro

[Thinlómien]

So an invincible assassin+hunter+ranger? Sounds even more unbelievable... :p

[Thinlómien]

Boro, if you're on our side, why isn't this game over already? :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Thinlo you want more? I was visited by a white deer sent by Radagast, how much of this do you suppose I'm just making up and pulling out of my arse? No I'm not calm, I'm irritated because you really have no clue.

Anyway, I'm done, I don't care if you kill me anymore I've done my duty...if you want anymore of my advice. After I'm lynched and you realize you still haven't won, lynch Thinlo, she seems all to desperate now and making a last ditch effort, after the attack failed.

As I propose there is one more wolf:
Perhaps the others will take out Boromir (thanks for your help in innocent killing my friend!)? Would be a pity to double up.~Mith
After Mith there was still more than one wolf. Aganzir and who else? And perhaps there was only one kill because the majority of the wolves had been killed?

[Boromir88]

What is that, a hunter+assasin that cannot die in the hands of wolves?~Thinlo
Umm...if the wolves killed me a night I did not protect myself, I would be dead...so that statement is flat out false.

And since this grand theory you come up with must be the only answer. I am going to ask you to take back and consider this. I mean Nogrod and The Sixth have had no real problems with quickly jumping to conclusions. However you are so certain this is the only answer that I am the sole bad guy therefor you kill me the village wins.

If I am this 'bad guy' why in the heck would I reveal yesterday. No one was suspecting me, everyone was thinking I was innocent. Why in the heck would I spend my time killing the wolves when they were also doing my job if I was this bad lone bear? Why would I bait the wolves into coming and attacking me at night? There were still 9 people in this village, and barely anyone was suspecting me. Plus there were multiple kills a night. If I am this lone baddie what do I have to gain from revealing myself (when I was seen as innocent) and I am baiting the wolves to come and attack me at night?

[Nogrod]

It's funny Boro that you have always been the one to tell that if it walks like one and talks like one then it is one... and now the parts seem to have changed.

I mean it's quite sensible to believe that you're an intelligent baddie able to make some drastic moves and we should make our deductions. Just look at the claims you have made and the different twists of rules and balance of the game they need to presume are true. So there would have been at least six baddies aided by a seer-baddie or something (7 baddies from 20 so more than 1/3) facing only a seer and the chivalric invincible assassin/hunter/ranger/superman-Boro! :D

Believable? I mean use your own standards this time as well...

And to add: quoting a known wolf isn't the most trustworthy of sources... so everything Mith said yesterDay after she revealed must be read with a lots of caution. I wouldn't back any claim on them. Now how is it that you're doing it? An innocent would be very wary of using that kind of points to steer her/his thoughts as they most probably mislead in a way or another.
And perhaps there was only one kill because the majority of the wolves had been killed?Isn't this just what Lommy (and I) have been telling you. That the wolves have passed out, they're dead, extinguished, ex-wolves, gone to meet their maker... not just resting as you wish to make us believe. :p

But good to have you around to discuss this. I think I have a much more clearer picture about the possibilities now after you have defended yourself. I'll be back a bit later toDay

PS. Yes, everyone can say they were visited by the pink Beavers sent by Radagast... so please. I think that one argument makes you look more bad than the last Night's happenings as such... If you were true indeed you would not have used such a point but if you were a baddie so near victory you might slip a bit just to gain your goal?

EDIT: X'd with Boro's last one

[Boromir88]

if I cant convince anyone...lynch me I've done my job you won't win. I hope any innocent will appreciate what I've done afterwards. I'm done, this is only going to give me a headache

++Boromir88

[Nogrod]

If I am this 'bad guy' why in the heck would I reveal yesterday. No one was suspecting me, everyone was thinking I was innocent.Just because of that! I know you're an intelligent player - a really good one. I know it.

Now what would have happened if people would have come to think: "now this Boro-man no one has suspected but he still lives, how come he's not dead?"

I think it has been only good to be under some suspicion as that kind of makes you sleep safer the Nights. But you had not that luxury of being suspected - so you had to figure out something to explain why you're not killed yet? It's perfectly sensible that the wolves had better killings to make - or then they knew your identity as their aid (which I do doubt) but anyhow being alive with no suspicions makes one loudmouith look very suspicious and thence I can see why you would take the gamble. And after all the other baddies are gone you're running free then?

And I think your timing was perfect indeed. Early enough to not let anyone else to start this reveal-fake -stuff but late enough to not seem too rushed with it. I bet you have thought this a lot during the last one or two days...

---
I just saw your vote... I'm not sure what to make of it. I wouldn't believe you're a bad loser so is it a trick of some sort? I wouldn't put that past you either. But it's quite early to make such acts as well - or just the right time indeed? A bit too dramatic then to be innocent? What else would make you look innocent if you think the points made are just pinning your treachery down?

I'm not saying I will will follow your vote but if nothing better comes about later toDay then I might join your vote.

Good night.

[Nogrod]

If I am this 'bad guy' why in the heck would I reveal yesterday. No one was suspecting me, everyone was thinking I was innocent. Why in the heck would I spend my time killing the wolves when they were also doing my job if I was this bad lone bear? Why would I bait the wolves into coming and attacking me at night? There were still 9 people in this village, and barely anyone was suspecting me. Plus there were multiple kills a night. If I am this lone baddie what do I have to gain from revealing myself (when I was seen as innocent) and I am baiting the wolves to come and attack me at night?Okay. I rethought this and thought it good to make this last point today (not toDay). Now this seems like a fair point but it all depends on the mechanics of this game.

So are there any wolves to attack you anymore or is this just a show-off?

A lone baddie might do pretty smartly to "reveal" himself as the gifted helper of the innocents. That would make him less prone to be lynched during the Days coming forwards when people start to frenzy over each other: "why's the game not ended? There's a wolf still around! Who is it? Let's lynch anyone, but not our gifted helper". That's what the people would say. I know I would be drawn to say so myself... if I actually believed in Boro's claim.

My vote is still pending but I need to have a look at the others tomorrow as I wake up (not toMorrow). I must say I agree with most of Lommy's points and am not easily driven to vote her toDay (if she's a some kind of a baddie she almost deserves the win then if she makes it). Of others I have no good picture at the moment as Boro has taken all my energy thus far - and I know that can be lethal to concentrate to only one person.

So I try to have a wider look as I wake up, but we (myself and Lommy) will have limitations in our participation (look at the admin thread).

[Boromir88]

I thank you for keeping an open-mind Nogrod. Now seeing someone actually post with a bit of thought and sanity I wish I didn't vote for myself. That came out of frustration, as I am extremely frustrated with all of this. I don't care if I am lynched, you'll all have to live with killing one of you gifteds that has been sent here by Radagast.

I won't lose hope just yet though...so here is all I have to offer.

Now, for some reason Thinlomien doubts all my powers of guarding, protecting myself, and killing. Obviously I can kill people, and I haven't guarded someone yet, but I can. Now the biggest doubt seems to come with protecting myself.

If anyone doubts my ability to protect myself why am I not dead and why is there no wolf kill? The only kill last night was mine. If I chose the kill option, the way any village works is the wolves still get their kill choice for the night as well. Well there is only one kill. As one of my powers was defined, I can protect myself from my attackers. Meaning if someone comes and attacks me and I chose to protect myself that night, I would kill one of my attackers and still be alive. However I am too honourable a person to protect myself 2 nights in a row. Again, if anyone is saying that I can't protect myself and I'm making all of this up, why was there no wolf kill then? Why was the only kill caused by me? I'll tell you why. Because the wolves chose to kill me, but I protected myself, and a wolf died. Exactly as I hoped would happen.

So, here has been my Day-to-day thoughts of how to handle this multi-powered role.

Night 1, suspicious of Menel's wolvery all day, he wasn't lynched so I killed him. Going into the next day I wanted to hint about my role in killing Menel so the wolves would come after me the next night and I could protect myself and kill another one.

Night 2, I said yesterday I guarded Mormegil...that was a flat out lie (which I will explain why later). That night I protected myself as I hoped the wolves would come after me.

Night 3, killed Shasta because I found the vote to be quite wolvish.

So, going into the day with all these kills happening at night, I wanted to set a trap. I would reveal my role, and 2 of my powers (Ranger and Assassin), yet keep my 3rd power secret (which means I had to come up with a lie of what I did for Night 2); knowing that if the village accepted my known innocence the wolves would surely come after me during Night 4 and therefor I can protect myself. Since it was too risky to make a kill choice, I wanted the wolves to attack me. Like I said, this time my trap worked.

I honestly have no clue why there was no other kill besides mine last night. But I am not the last villain. Lynch me if you like, it will only favor whomever the last bad guy is.

Yes Nogrod, I am aware I can be a master manipulator, if that's what you think I'm doing now so be it. I've said everything I've needed to and can do no more. And any person can come on here and start saying 'well you're killing the wolves off to make yourself look better and more innocent.' Yaddah-yaddah-yaddah, but I'm sure you'll all ignore the fact that this entire time I've also been trying to bait the wolves into attacking me. Now if I am a lone bear out for my own victory, why have I been trying to get spotted by the wolves why have I been trying to make them attack me?

An innocent would be very wary of using that kind of points to steer her/his thoughts as they most probably mislead in a way or another.~Nogrod
I am not looking at anything Mithalwen said to people and her interaction with individual people. I know as a wolf she would be stirring things around trying to confuse us. But I mean come on, Mith this entire time has been nit picking Sauce about his linguistics. Do you honestly think if there was only one wolf left she would have said 'the others will get Boromir tonight' wouldn't she have said 'my partner will get Boromir tonight?' I know she is purely out to confuse, but just stop and think Mith obviously was saying she had more than one partner still alive. The fact remains that the wolves tried to get me last night, but I stopped them and killed one. And I think the reason we haven't won yet is because there is still one wolf out there.

I will say I think Nogrod and The Sixth are innocent and any other innocent I would trust their judgement in the days to come.

[Volo]

A bit surprising turn of events as it flawed my theories once again.

Well, have you forgotten the subject called Gil-Galad completely. Wouldn't that be an answer to why only one person died last Night?

And seriously, I'm not going to vote Boro, unless he confesses, that is. Being the lone Bear just doesn't work here:
1. So far there has been no Ranger revealed, which might be wise to do now to get the matter cleared.
2. A big lot of unknown Baddies like that and a relatively very small number of Gifteds to oppose them.

My theories:
1. I believe that there are two more Wolves, though am not sure of it anymore. I am somewhat sure that Lommy isn't one of them. I'm now willing to risk to think her Innocent.

2. The more probable theory that might be tried out, though could also be left out. Gil-Galad is the last Wolf. We could either lynch him toDay or wait until tommorow and see what happens. No kill -> Boro is a Goodie and Gil is a Baddie.

[Volo]

Look more Innocent than yesterDay, as the second Wolf band seemed to have stayed their hands. Unless they are of one lot with Aganzir, which also brings the question if Aganzir was just an Alpha Wolf like in Nogrod's game.

Mormegil
Nogrod
The Sixth Wizard


Doesn't look as Innocent as yesterDay, because of a big theory that I shall not explain, because it is now irrelevant.

Thinlómien


The one we should try poking a bit. Could explain why the Wolves didn't have a second kill, like Mith said.

Gil-Galad


I say we leave him be for toDay, if there is still a kill tomorrow, we can always lynch him then.

Boromir88


Innocent, though pretty useless.

Volo


I have to go pack and leave, now. The train won't wait. But please, do think about the possibilities presented here.

I'll try to vote toDay.

[Volo]

Here's one more reason why Boro shouldn't be voted (Boro, Boro shouldn't be voted! :( ): If he's lying about the counter-attack skill, then why is Aganzir dead?? I really doubt that Boro would have chosen her as his target so it must have been a counter-attack.

[mormegil]

Volo, our thoughts are very similar except on Lommy.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Oridnary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)
Isabellkya - Mometarily caught off guard by a darting fox and set upon by the angry mob on Day 3 (Werewolf)
Shastanis Althreduin - Had the life squeezed from his Half human, half equine form on Night 3 (Oridnary Innocent)
the guy who be short - Consumed and reduced to nothing but bare bones on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil - Brutally attacked yet lived long enough to write her bloody epitaph on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent).
Mithalwen - Went down fighting in a dubious pastiche of British classic comedy and was summarily dismembered by a unanimous motion of the general assembly on Day 4 (Werewolf).
Aganzir Dead Night 4 (Werewolf)

The living:

Mormegil
Gil-Galad
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard
Thinlómien - the Delegate of INSTRAW

I thought that would be helpful to remind us.

As I see it, Boro is telling the truth everything just fits so well that I can't see it as false. Boro is cunning on on either team he is on and I see him as good and will treat him thusly. I can sense the frustration in his posts. I have been there. I once declared myself the hunter and a wolf did too. I was lynched and was very frustrated by it all.

Anyway, now it seems to make sense to try and figure out what we are up against. On DAY 1 and 2 it seemed premature but now it it vital. My going theory is that we have 5 wolves one of them being the Alpha. 2 kills per night plus Boro's ability to kill. It makes pretty good sense at what has been going on up to this point. We have eliminated the Alpha wolf. It was either Mith or Aganzir, this truly depends on who is the remaining wolf. If Mith were the Alpha then the remaining wolf could be anybody, if Aganzir were then the likley candidate is Gil and that would explain why there wasn't a kill last night other than the attempted on by Aganzir.

What I would recommend is going today as though Mith were the Alpha and we still have one active wolf out there and if nothing happens tonight I would consider it to be Gil, Boro that means you either protect or kill Gil.

Other than Gil, Sixth and Lommy seem most suspicious to me. Volo seems less so because our thoughts seem to be similar. Noggie, I'm not sure about and Boro is innocent to me.

[Thinlómien]

Again, if anyone is saying that I can't protect myself and I'm making all of this up, why was there no wolf kill then?Like I said, just because there's a real ranger who did protect you.

Why in the heck would I spend my time killing the wolves when they were also doing my job if I was this bad lone bear?
If he's lying about the counter-attack skill, then why is Aganzir dead?? I really doubt that Boro would have chosen her as his target so it must have been a counter-attack.I think that (as funny as it sounds) he might have thought that she seems the least wolvish and thus killed her, because I guess he'd like to keep the wolves around so that his revealing wouldn't backfire...

Why would I bait the wolves into coming and attacking me at night?Now that is a fair point. I don't know. Maybe you do have some secret ability. Or maybe you thought your claim wouldn't be agreed with and as some people would suspect you the wolves would leave you around...? Or...? Anyway, even if that is a hole in my theory, I still think yours has even more holes. :p

I think a gifted wouldn't vote himself. Even if he was a hunter. On the other hand, it is difficult to see a bear voting himself either.

Well, have you forgotten the subject called Gil-Galad completely. Wouldn't that be an answer to why only one person died last Night?A fair point as well. But I doubt Sauce would have plagued this village by five wolves, a black priestess and a bear. Or even with five wolves and a priestess. I mean, it would be mathematically very unprobable that we would win if they got two kills per Night and we were to lynch five of them without double-lynches...

However you are so certain this is the only answer that I am the sole bad guy therefor you kill me the village wins. I'm not certain. I was certain in my first post toDay because I wanted to provoke a reaction from you and seems it worked well... :p I'm open to other ideas, but right now I see my theory as the one that makes most sense and thus I believe in it. While the problems of my theory center around your personal behaviour that seems unbelievable according to my theory (or so you claim), the problems of others center around an unbelievable game structure and I think that's far worse a flaw.

[mormegil]

Again, if anyone is saying that I can't protect myself and I'm making all of this up, why was there no wolf kill then?

Like I said, just because there's a real ranger who did protect you.

Unless you are the Ranger how can you be so certain? This seems far more improbable coupled with the fact that Aganzir is dead.

A fair point as well. But I doubt Sauce would have plagued this village by five wolves, a black priestess and a bear. Or even with five wolves and a priestess. I mean, it would be mathematically very unprobable that we would win if they got two kills per Night and we were to lynch five of them without double-lynches...

See this is why I feel you are a wolf! It is not improbable that we win with 5 wolves against us. We almost have. The bear you speak of, if it is Boro as I believe, he is a good bear and is a great asset to the village. That helps to even the odds and keeps balance.

Lommy seems so certain and is trying to convince us all that no more wolves exist. Why? Because, I believe, she is the last wolf. Mith was the Alpha wolf and Lommy is the only one left and grasping straws here and she is doing anything and everything she can to discredit Boromir. I find Boromir's story to fit in much better with the events and Lommy's incredulity as extremely wolvish. Unless there are some major changes I will be voting Lommy. If as Lommy says there is another ranger I suggest they seriously consider revealing themselves. You may do more good as a known innocent than the possibility of stopping a wolf attack.

[Nogrod]

Anyway, now it seems to make sense to try and figure out what we are up against. On DAY 1 and 2 it seemed premature but now it it vital.Exactly. Now the theory of five initial wolves with one of them being the alpha-wolf sounds reasonable. That would mean that we're here in a situation of six against one. And if Boro is true we have one extra-kill possibility every Night (although in that case Boro should really consider his choices).

But with six goodies against one baddie we could indeed afford to lynch Gil now. If he turns out innocent we still would have four against one toMOrrow - and failing then two against one the last Day. And if he's the sneaky baddie indeed he'd get what he deserves and we'd win. Anyhow that problem would be solved then.

But as morm said, the correct assessment of our situation is vital here for if we have more than one baddie left we're in deep trouble and would have to act more drastically toDay. But the idea of six (or more) wolves roaming in the village aided by a priestess with only a seer and a Boro on the innocent side sounds a bit unfair starting position for the village. A true bloodbath yes... but as someone noted: with those numbers the villagers couldn't afford even one misslynch and that's a pretty tough requirement in the beginning of the game.

[Thinlómien]

There's seven of us now. That's enough to let Boro live for one more Day, if we had some way of proving if he's true during the Night. I'm just afraid we don't have a means and not lynching him today would at worst (ie if he's a baddie/independent) more dead innocents. I have the feeling that if we don't lynch him toDay, we won't lynch him at all, and that might prove fatal...

Actually, I think Boro might be killed next Night in case he can't protect himself anymore (if he ever could do that) and there's no ordinary ranger. So, on second thought, I agree with Volo, let's leave killing him to the wolf if there's any and if no one dies we either have a ranger who should come out and say s/he's around toMorrow or Boro's a baddie and we should lynch him then. In either case I guess we can afford this tactics.
Unless you are the Ranger how can you be so certain? This seems far more improbable coupled with the fact that Aganzir is dead.If you assume that Boro is evil/independent and there have been four wolves and a priestess and just one gifted (the druid) it would be logical to assume there was a ranger as well. So, what makes sense depends on the viewpoint. And of course I don't know whether there's a ranger or not. I'm just assuming. In case Boro's telling the truth I don't think there (necessarily) is a ranger. But in case he's evil then I'm pretty sure there is.

So, I agree to go on toDay on the assumption there's one wolf left and a good bear, even though it feels a bit unprobable. That will be more fruitful use of the Day than arguing about Boro's identity in case I'm wrong and doesn't spoil anything in case I'm right.

So: if there was still a wolf around, who would it be? (I'm going on the assumption that there was originally just 5 wolves, not 6, because while 5 wolves would be a highly challenging threat, 6 wolves is just too much.)

It might be Gil. We can't know. I'm not 100% sure can we lynch him though since we might need to use toMorrow's lynch to Boro.

Volo and Nogrod seem innocent to me. Aganzir felt innocent to me too. And they've all felt innocent the same way to me all the time (except occasional nagging suspicion) and it troubles me because I might be trusting them simply because they are people I know from RL and so I might unconsciously think "s/he's a nice guy, there's no reason to suspect him/her". The things should not be so, since two people out of seven is almost the third of the village, and not being able to trust one's own opinion about 33% of the people surely is a bad thing... Anyway, ignoring that psychic wobbling, I'm ready to say they feel innocent. Their reasoning is innocentish, I think.

Now morm... He could be either way. I have the feeling that he's clashing with me again and that usually happens when we're both innocents. He seems pretty genuine, but the things he says he could so well say if he was a wolf as well...

Now Sixth. He's quite suspicious I think. He jumped all too eagerly on my case against Boromir. A wolf could do that. And I can see a wolf-Sixth doing that. On the other hand, he's still somewhat newbie to this game and when some relatively experienced ww-player (like me) presents a theory with certainity, it's easy just agree. (I did that in my first game. But then again, this is definitely not Sixth's first game.) He has been quite slipping under people's radar, maybe purposfully and some of his votes have been a bit questionable... I could vote him toDay.

And as to the alpha wolf question, I'd rather think that as long as there were three or more wolves, they'd get 2 kills per Night and when there is just 2 or 1 of them, they get just one kill. I think it would be more sensible than having an alpha-wolf around...

(Sorry for the flip-flopping/illogicalness, I just thought while writing so this posts kind of records my thinking process rather than presents ready thoughts...)

[Nogrod]

Okay.

We're off to our summer cottage.

++ Gil-Galad

I believe we can afford to get rid of him now. If we don't do it toDay it's a lot tougher choice toMorrow.

Two reasons.

I can't imagine we had six or more wolves so there's only one left. That means we are six against one. There's all the sense in getting rid of the insecurity Gil creates in this village. All the others can be read but with him it's just pure chance.

I think Boro's defences sound more genuine than not (especially his last one) now as I have read them through after sleeping - and if he is a goodie he will most probably die the next Night. That kind of leaves me with no especially good candidate and as I have no time to start rereading & analysing everyone around I feel more comfortable with lynching Gil toDay and doing the analyses toMorrow on those left.

[Thinlómien]

I just calculated that whatever the case, we can afford lynching Gil toDay, even though if there's still one wolf in this village, the last Day might be a Day when there's one wolf and two innocents alive...

++Gil-Galad

[mormegil]

It is folly to lynch Gil today. What good does it do? Doubtful he is the remaining wolf. Did anybody else notice how quickly Lommy switched her opinion of Boro when a little opposition arose? Every post I am reading of hers today screams wolf to me. We really need to lynch her today instead of Gil and end this killing.

++Lommy

Volo and Sixth it's really up to you because Boro threw away his vote :rolleyes:

[Boromir88]

Volo and Sixth it's really up to you because Boro threw away his vote~morm
Probably the biggest mistake I've made in this game. I reacted too early out of frustration as it seemed like no one was going to listen to me.

Anyway, here's what I have with Lommy. I am confident Morm is innocent, and pretty sure Nogrod is as well. I'm unsure about Volo and Sixth and hopefully I can get to them before the day ends. But I want to start with Lommy who I think is a wolf.

Lommy's attitude today has looked more like mocking than anything else:
So an invincible assassin+hunter+ranger? Sounds even more unbelievable...
Boro, if you're on our side, why isn't this game over already?
And claiming that I have 'gaping holes' in my story. Yet, morm has shown that my story actually completely fits together. You may think that a role such as a bear with the powers of killing, protecting self, and guarding sounds unbelievable but no one can deny it doesn't fit together (yet Lommy has denied it and claimed there are 'big holes' in my story) By Nogrod's own admission the only thing that didn't make sense is why would I have defend mormegil on Night 2. But I had answered that before Nogrod even brought it up.

I am going to throw out anything Mith said about people yesterday, but I have been looking at the interactions between the known dead wolves and Lommy. Here's some things...

I have no clear opinion about Menel because my brain always uncosciously turns to the "ignore"-function when I see more than one sentence in his writing style.... (No offense Menel, this just happens.... )~Thinlo on Menel
Seems a bit strange that Lommy would choose to ignore Menel because of the way he was writing. Perhaps she was joking around with him, but she was unable to form a 'clear opinion' about Menel.

Lommy: Innocentish.~Aganzir on Lommy
Kind of a strange disregarding remark...'ahh Thinlo's innocent.' (I will make note Aganzir does the same with The Sixth, only with The Sixth it's 'Neutral').

In Post 97 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=523795&postcount=97), Aganzir addresses 2 now known and dead wolves and also says this about Lommy:
And think how mean it would be to kill her just when she at last gets a net access home. :p

Post 156:
Izzie seems wolvish for her vote but I can see her as a puzzled newbie as well. I don't know.~Thinlo on Izzie

Aganzir also makes me slightly uneasy for no particular reason.~Thinlo on Aganzir
The only one that wouldn't quite fit if Thinlo was a wolf is her thoughts on Mith:
Mith makes me uneasy too. Although contributing (especially to the narration-discussion) she seems a bit non-committal and wrong. I can't quite phrase it, but somehow she does not seem like her normal self.
I wouldn't expect wolves to simply list all their partners as 'unsure' and 'innocent.' Despite this however, Thinlo does bounce around from day-to-day in suspecting Mith and not suspecting her.

Lommy - She couldn't form a clear opinion of Menel because of his spelling. When reading it I remember thinking "now that's a good way to avoid mentioning a fellow wolf in analysis on the first Day, were they wolves". But I thought Menel and she were both innocent. Now we know Menel was a wolf, and Lommy hasn't said or done anything very suspicious toDay, but this still got me wondering. Then on the other hand she has suspected almost everyone - someone who has played more than I with her please tell if Lommy-wolf would do that?~Aganzir on Lommy
Now this just cries out one wolf talking about a partner. 'I was first suspicious of Lommy because of such and such, but she's looked innocent today, then I got wondering if she was a wolf again, but I don't know anyone know if Lommy would do this?' Wow.

Thinlo on Mith (Post 309):
As to my yesterday's main suspects - Kath, Legate and Mith - two are dead and the remaining feels less guilty. She feels sincere, but I still think her somewhat suspiciously non-committal. I would not, however, like to vote her today as I'm growing gradually less suspicious of her.
Hmm...more oddness...Mith was one of her main suspect now she's suddenly not, but she still feels 'non-committal.'

Izzie on Thinlo (Post 311):
Thinlomien; a post caught my eye.. she said that we shouldn't drop the idea of two wolf teams yet; but she didn't clarify why. She just left it open.
This is odd because Izzie makes no statement as far as what she thinks about Thinlo...is Thinlo acting odd? Suspicious? Innocent? Nothing, just 'this post caught my eye' however there no remark about what she thinks of 'this post of Lommy's that caught her eye.'

Aganzir on Lommy (Post 325):
I'm slowly beginning to feel a little bad about Lommy. I think I could go through her posts soon.
And Aganzir does do that in Post 342 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=524359&postcount=342), with the final conclusion of Lommy being:
Actually the first thing that caught my eye was that she didn't have an opinion about Menel because his spelling turned the ignore-function on in her brain - but that feels like a very vague reason to suspect her.
And now it seems to me that it's the only reason I could have if I wanted to keep suspecting her. I fail to find anything wolfish (or worth mentioning) from these posts. Either she's innocent or completely fooling me.

And in Post 338 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=524354&postcount=338) Lommy bounces around some more with Mith. I wasn't going to vote for her, now I'm wary and could vote for her, though I would prefer to vote for someone else...hmmm very awkward.

The only thing about this day (the day Izzie was lynched) that I just can't figure out is both Aganzir and Lommy voted for Izzie. Lommy actually broke the massive 1 votees tie. Would two wolves vote for another wolf, especially when they could have chosen to lynch someone else rather easily? I don't know.

Post 371 of Lommy's:
Aganzir - I think she's very difficult to get a grasp on. She has done nothing to make me particularly suspicious. As a side note, she seems to be slipping under everybody's (including mine) radar...
Indecisive as far as what she feels about Aganzir. Mith however she comes out firing:
Mithalwen - She's my top suspect right now. Her sort of non-committality (is that a word?), placement in the Gil-discussion and my bad gut-feeling about her could point to her guilt. Also, I find her way of throwing suspiion and/or placing people into spotlight quite wolvish. For example, yesterDay she said I was slipping under everybody's radar, although morm had quite vocally suspected me and Sixth had expressed concern over my and Volo's chatting.
She bounces around with Mith the previous day and now she comes out strongly suspecting her. Now would a wolf do this with one of their partners? Perhaps, it may have been planned during the night.

I was wondering why Mith let us all know she was a wolf yesterday. I mean she pretty much handed herself right to us, which makes me think yesterday was a set up. Mith seemed to have just given up fighting and sacrificed herself yesterday. I am completely disregarding what Mith said to people yesterday, but something she did say caught my eye:
Even when you kill me your job is at best half done. There will be still two wolf kills tonight and barring disasters wolves will at least equal the innocents.
Now Lommy has been insistant that there can be no more wolves and I have to be the last baddie. Mith seemed confident that there would still be 2 wolf kills, and one of them was going to be me.:
Perhaps the others will take out Boromir (thanks for your help in innocent killing my friend!)? Would be a pity to double up.
But she says 'wolves will at least equal the innocents.'

The wolves did not know of my power to protect myself (which is what I hoped!) So, they were clearly thinking I was going to be dead yesterday, and there would be another wolf kill. So is there even more than one wolf left? I wouldn't rule that out just yet. And I am not like Lommy's assertion that if we get a wolf today, this has to be the last one:

So, I agree to go on toDay on the assumption there's one wolf left and a good bear,

Seems like I'm being set up if we get a wolf sometime toDay and during the night than I have to be the last remaining bad guy because it's so unlikely that there are 6 wolves. I may sound crazy, but maybe there is still more than one wolf left? I mean throughout the entire village here both Aganzir and Lommy have both been saying 4-5 wolves maybe but 6 is just so unlikely and impossible. Gets me wonderings.

[mormegil]

Nice (long) post Boromir. After that I am more suspicious of Lommy. I think they, the wolves, started getting down to the end and knew that they would have to spread around suspicion and votes amongst themselves. Lommy's second vote for Isabell that day wasn't that odd because I don't remember the discussion being too slanted to 'lynch Isabell'. So that means Lommy would have been able to vote for her mate but not really believe that she would be voted off that day.

Anyway, it's all a moot point if the others don't come and vote for her. I really only believe that there are 5 wolves. 5 of 20 is 25% which is a good amount of wolves but Boromir what your post illustrates to me is that they all were one team. Anyway if Lommy doesn't die tomorrow all the innocents left really need to band together and lynch her.

[Aganzir]

He texted me a while ago and asked to post the following:

++ Lommy

We can deal with Gil tomorrow, as he clearly can't defend himself, nor kill if Wolf.
Boro, consider killing Nogrod next Night.

[mormegil]

Volo, this last message makes me feel good about you and realize that you are likely innocent.

Sixth where are you???

[The Sixth Wizard]

I am willing to believe that there is one Alpha Wolf (was) and that we have only one baddie left. Boro's story now seems believeable, and I don't think if he was evil he could play the part so well. Well played trick, Boromir!

I dislike the way Lommy insists on attacking him, even scraping the bottom of the barrel at times. A real ranger? Pollycock. ;) And why would she want to provoke a reaction anyway? What she says in latter posts sounds wolvish.

I don't mind the rest of you, so:

++Thinlomien

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, let's call it a Day, eh?

Voting outcome coming soon.

[The Saucepan Man]

As the Days had grown quieter, the remaining delegates had finally got round to constructing some gallows. The delegate of INSTRAW was to be the first to test them out.

“Honorable chair, fellow delegates,” said Thinlómien, as she stood to read her closing address. “Acknowledging the votes cast toDay and fully respecting the outcome of the established voting process, I would like to move on behalf of INSTRAW that the delegates present should establish a road map within which the conditions might be met for the ultimate placement of my head in the noose, while at the same time steps be taken towards drawing up a mutually acceptable document within which criteria may be laid down for the activation of the lever, whereby the trapdoor beneath my feet might then be released, thereby propelling my body in a sharp downwards motion and so bringing about the anticipated scenario within which my neck might be broken, thus ending my life and thereby fulfilling the democratically expressed will of the assembly.”

“Motion passed,” replied the delegates, as they immediately set to work.

“Um, I would like to put forward a statement on behalf of INSTRAW expressing my complete and overwhelming surprise that the criteria and conditions laid down in my closing address have been met with such undue and unusual rapidity,” declared Thinlómien as she stood on the gallows with her head in the noose. “In my long experience as a committee representative, it is rare for such … Urrrrghh!”

The criteria had been met and the conditions fulfilled whereby Thinlómien’s life could be brought to an abrupt conclusion. Her body, however, remained unchanged.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Oridnary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)
Isabellkya - Mometarily caught off guard by a darting fox and set upon by the angry mob on Day 3 (Werewolf)
Shastanis Althreduin - Had the life squeezed from his Half human, half equine form on Night 3 (Oridnary Innocent)
the guy who be short - Consumed and reduced to nothing but bare bones on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil - Brutally attacked yet lived long enough to write her bloody epitaph on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent).
Mithalwen - Went down fighting in a dubious pastiche of British classic comedy and was summarily dismembered by a unanimous motion of the general assembly on Day 4 (Werewolf).
Aganzir - Battered, bruised and bloodied and left to die on Night 4 (Werewolf)
Thinlómien - Fulfilled the criteria and met the conditions whereby she could be hung until she be dead on Day 5 (Ordinary Innocent)

The living:

Mormegil
Gil-Galad
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
Nogrod - the moody delegate from the Witch-burners' village who is ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts ...
Boromir88 - the filibuster delegate from Laketown, whose geography is not that good
The Sixth Wizard

Day 5 is over. Night 5 has begun. Let the Nightly deeds commence.

[The Saucepan Man]

On Day 6, the delegates awoke to a dreadful commotion in the village square. Venturing forth from their huts, they witnessed the closing stages of a desperate battle. A great Bear was locked in mortal combat with a huge black Wolf. The Bear, his fur matted with blood, had the Wolf gripped between his powerful arms. The Wolf, battered and bruised, was struggling and howling and attempting to twist his great head round to lock his jaws onto the Bear. Eventually, just as the last of his life was being squeezed from his body, the Wolf succeeded in sinking his cruel black fangs deep into the Bear’s throat. Both beasts were mortally wounded, yet still they struggled on. Finally, exhausted and near death, both collapsed entangled in a deadly embrace. They lay there for a while, panting hoarsely, before each breathed his last and one more assumed his human form.

Boromir88 had not come from Laketown and his geography had actually been pretty good. He had been a Shapeshifter, a descendant of Beorn, and had been sent to Woodgard by Radagast to aid the delegates in their struggle against the Wolves.

Nogrod, a fierce black-fanged Werewolf, had assumed the identity of the delegate from the Witch-burner’s village, though he had nevertheless remained ready and willing to form a theory to suit his feelings whatever the facts.

Both, however, now lay dead.

The dead:

The Saucepan Man - Slaughtered and boiled up in a spicy ghoulash on Night zero.
xyzzy - Got bored of the role-based banter and hung himself quietly on Day 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Meneltarmacil - Fatally wounded in sooth he was and crawled awaye to find ye deathe in ye woodes on Nighte 1 (Werewolfe)
Rune Son of Bjarne - Hunted and added to his own trophy collection on Night 1 (Ordinary Innocent)
Durelin - Spied on things which should not be seen and got hung for it on Night 1 (Thief)
Kath - Burned at the stake and spurned by her Lord on Day 2 (Priestess of Sauron)
Rikae - Tickled mercilessly and died with a smile on her face on Night 2 (Oridnary Innocent)
Legate of Amon Lanc - Underwent radical optical surgery and lost his life and his foresight on Night 2 (Druid)
Isabellkya - Mometarily caught off guard by a darting fox and set upon by the angry mob on Day 3 (Werewolf)
Shastanis Althreduin - Had the life squeezed from his Half human, half equine form on Night 3 (Oridnary Innocent)
the guy who be short - Consumed and reduced to nothing but bare bones on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent)
Feanor of the Peredhil - Brutally attacked yet lived long enough to write her bloody epitaph on Night 3 (Ordinary Innocent).
Mithalwen - Went down fighting in a dubious pastiche of British classic comedy and was summarily dismembered by a unanimous motion of the general assembly on Day 4 (Werewolf).
Aganzir - Battered, bruised and bloodied and left to die on Night 4 (Werewolf)
Thinlómien - Fulfilled the criteria and met the conditions whereby she could be hung until she be dead on Day 5 (Ordinary Innocent)
Boromir88 - Fought bravely with a Werewolf, but died in the struggle on Night 5 (Shapeshifter)
Nogrod - Squeezed to death in a deadly embrace, but took the Beorning down with him on Night 5 (Werewolf)

The living:

Mormegil
Gil-Galad
Volo - the very hairy delegate from as far as it gets
The Sixth Wizard

Day 6 has begun and the game continues. Time to start talking again.

[Volo]

Thank you Boromir. And what now?

Still more Wolves? :/ I'm a bit tired of them to say the truth...

I'm pretty much Sixth Wizard as Mormegil felt sincere yesterDay. And Gil is what he is, hopefully.

But consider: We lose if even one vote is wrong!

That being the case I'm even more inclined not to vote Gil. So, friend and foe, speak up!


And I myself am retreating for now.

[mormegil]

So now what? I can't believe we would have another baddie but I guess that we do. Is it possible to not lynch today? If we get it wrong we are doomed I fear. The obvious candidate is Gil but with things as they are I hesitate to vote for him but if not him then who? Right now Sixth seems much more suspcious than Volo but I'm a bit at a loss for words.

Thanks for giving us a shot Boro at a win by taking out three wolves yourself.

[Volo]

Ok. If Gil is Wolf and not voting or killing, we still have tomorrow to kill him. If Gil is Innocent and we vote for somebody who isn't a Wolf toDay, we lose.


Truly, goodnight.

EDIT: Xd with Morm

[mormegil]

Volo, I see we cross posted and feel about the same again.

[Volo]

Well, Morm, I really doubt my opinion would change later on.

I think I'll just vote Sixth and be calm with the sleep. Good to know that you have done all you could (or at least that you can't do anything more). :)

++The Sixth Wizard

Whatever you are, Morm, please, don't be a Wolf.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Wow, how many wolves were there? :eek:

mormegil was the one to start the Lommy voting, which I unfortunately followed. He says:

Lommy seems so certain and is trying to convince us all that no more wolves exist. Why? Because, I believe, she is the last wolf. Mith was the Alpha wolf and Lommy is the only one left and grasping straws here and she is doing anything and everything she can to discredit Boromir. I find Boromir's story to fit in much better with the events and Lommy's incredulity as extremely wolvish. Unless there are some major changes I will be voting Lommy. If as Lommy says there is another ranger I suggest they seriously consider revealing themselves. You may do more good as a known innocent than the possibility of stopping a wolf attack.

For this reason, I'm thinking he's the remaining wolf. The two of them must have been planning to get Boro out of the way at night (he couldn't protect himself two nights in a row), then jumping to the first two votes for someone in the Day, as that would win them the game! But it seems Boro and Nogrod simultaneously attacked each other at night, resulting in the double-kill.

And good thing no-one took heed of this!

But with six goodies against one baddie we could indeed afford to lynch Gil now. If he turns out innocent we still would have four against one toMOrrow - and failing then two against one the last Day. And if he's the sneaky baddie indeed he'd get what he deserves and we'd win. Anyhow that problem would be solved then. :eek:

[The Sixth Wizard]

Hey, I just realised that last post can't do anything. Volo can't retract his vote and Gil won't come round. Mormegil will vote for me and we're doomed! No!

[mormegil]

Sixth, I assure you I am innocent. The question I have is Volo or you? It seems that Gil would be from the Nogrol post you showed but I am not sure what else to think at this stage. I must go through yours and Volo's post (Volo you posted way too much) and decide who I will vote for. I consider Volo's early vote a bit suspicous but also a bit understandable. Is he trying to win me over by making us 'friends'? I don't really know but I'm beginning not to trust my instinct this game as I've been sadly wrong most every time. My instinct tells me that Volo is innocent which means he's likely guilty.

[mormegil]

Just found this in Sixth's first post and found it rather ironic considering what happened last night.

And all I can say to Nogrod and Boro is "Fight, fight, fight, fight...

[mormegil]

I hope I am right in this. The more I ready what Sixth and Volo wrote the more convinced I am the Sixth is innocent. He seems quite but more genuine and sincere. Volo on the other hand is subtle and pokes and prods at just the right time.

++Volo


SpM you are sadistic.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Haha! We winssss!!!! We always winsss!!!

++Volo

Farewell innocents! Prepare to die! :D

[Volo]

Well, this didn't go like in my dream as it was Morm who was the Wolf there, but at least I can be happy for being right in the end. :)

Tough game and, huh, it was more than close to victory!

Congratulations to so many, especially the Wolves! And of the Wolves especially to Aganzir, who was a big surprise!

Of course Boro has earned our warmest thanks, killing Wolves equal to the number of Wolves in basic games. Good work there!

SPM, SPM, SPM... Now this was the most confusing game ever, and the most theory-filled too, and not only from me (though I'm still confused how I could post so much :eek: )! Well, thank you and could you please end the game! ;)


I hope Asfaras of Itgets from the race of Vehade will have a proper funeral!

[Mithalwen]

While I too am curious - I think it would be courteous not to pre-empt the moderator. :cool:

[mormegil]

I'm sorry. I'm very disappointed in myself after this game.

[Volo]

I'm sorry. I'm very disappointed in myself after this game.
Hey comeon. Don't blame yourself. Better next time, I don't think what happened is very strange. After all, I had all of the element of being a possible Wolf myself (well, maybe except asking Boro to kill Nogrod). :)

[The Saucepan Man]

Of the twenty delegates who had arrived in Woodgard some five Days previously, only four remained. It did not take them long to decide that the time had come for Volo to die. Being very hairy and hailing from as far as it gets, he had to be a Wolf, surely.

“Actually,” piped up Volo. “I am a Hunter and I get to choose one of you to die with me.”

“Really?” said The Sixth Wizard, uneasily.

“Yes, really,” insisted Volo.

“Go on then,” said mormegil.

“Er, actually I was lying,” said Volo. “But come on, admit it. I had you fooled, didn’t I?”

But he was met only by the grim faces of mormegil and The Sixth Wizard, as they advanced menacingly towards him. Seeing no other way out, Volo spun and raced off, heading for the woods. The remaining delegates set off in hot pursuit, but Volo was fast and quickly opened up a substantial lead over them.

“Hee hee,” he giggled hysterically, as he dived into the undergrowth. “You can’t catch me … Erk!”

Volo’s head jerked suddenly back as his lengthy beard caught on a jagged branch. Drawing his knife, he raised his hand to free himself, but the prodigious hairs on his arm were snared by yet more thorny outgrowths. Twisting his head round, he found that his shoulder length hair too had become entangled in the undergrowth. Starting to panic, he scrabbled to free himself but, the more struggled, the more he found himself caught up in the dark, twisted shrubbery.

In no time, his pursuers were upon him and, without hesitation, mormegil thrust a spear into his belly. As Volo opened his mouth to cry out, he found himself gurgling and spluttering blood. The Sixth Wizard had circled round behind him and, taking Volo's knife from his trapped hand, had slit his throat with it.

Mormegil waited, anticipating a dreadful transformation to come over Volo. But the hairy delegate from as far as it gets merely slumped forward lifelessly, hopelessly ensnared in the undergrowth. Looking up, mormegil’s heart sank, as he caught sight of The Sixth Wizard grinning evilly at him and licking the blood from Volo’s blade.

“Looks like it’s down to you and me, Gil,” muttered mormegil grimly, turning to his companion.

But Gil-Galad remained silent, rooted to the spot and struck dumb with fear.

“That figures …” said mormegil, just before the enormous Wolf that had been The Sixth Wizard only moments before sprang at him and pinned him to the ground. Mormegil attempted to draw his great black sword, but it was to no avail as the Wolf’s fearsome black fangs ripped great chunks of flesh from him.

“Help!” cried Gil, finally finding his voice. The Wolf turned from his feast and leered at him, blood dripping from his jaws.

In moments, it was all over. Woodgard was deserted once more, save for a lone black Wolf. Throwing his massive head back and baring his cruel black fangs, The Sixth Wizard howled in victory, before bounding off into the woods to wreak havoc on the defenceless Woodsman villages.

*******************************************

“Rats!” muttered Radagast. “Now I suppose it will be written of me that I failed in my mission. Who’d be an Istar, eh?”

Game over!

Thief loses!
Priestess of Sauron loses!
Village loses!
Red Claw Werewolves lose!
Black Fang Werewolves win!

[The Saucepan Man]

Congratulations to Meneltarmacil, Nogrod and The Sixth Wizard, collectively known as the Black Fang Gang (though even they didn't know that).

Commiserations to the others.

Please use this thread, rather than the Admin thread, for all post-game discussion, so as to keep it all in one place.

Any further comment from me will have to wait, as I must get back to work and all my notes are on my PC at home anyway. But I'll be happy to answer any questions (and I am sure that there are some ;) ) later.

[Volo]

I'll reveal what I learnt from Aganzir after being lynched:

The Lady team's (Aganzir, Izzie, Mith) kills were Rune, Rikae and tgwbs.
The Gentleman team's (Menel, Nogrod, Sixth) kills were Durelin, Legate, Fea, Aganzir (who was also killed by Boro during the same Night) and Boro.

The two teams couldn't have a united victory (right?).

And that makes me wander about the kills chosen... I mean Rikae and Legate go wrong way round.

Do tell us what you thought, dear Wolves.

And what are the thief and priestess anyway??