WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Kuruharan]

No, after you posted some non-sense, which included my name.

You're posting like you are scared of something.

[Farael]

You're posting like you are scared of something.
Then you've never played with me, which you have... have I ever refrained myself from accusing someone who seemed wolfish? even if I've been wrong often lately doesn't mean I'll stop trying to find a wolf and start trying to "look innocent"

Or is that what you'd have us do? have everyone give up the search and start trying to look as "unwolfish" as possible by doing the easy things?

[Brinniel]

l have to agree with Farael on this one, Kuru.

Brinniel I agree looks suspicious because she was arguing against a double lynching but voted for a third candidate and made a double lynching more likely.
You suspect me for voting on the third candidate, yet you are doing the same thing you are suspecting me for. You're saying let's not just look at Menel and Might, but consider a third candidate.

Aganzir was the first to fly accusations at me...but I somehow doubt a wolf would be so persistent on an innocent (which I am) at this stage. Because once she's proven wrong, she should realise everyone would probably start to suspect her. It's a bit too obvious to actually be wolfish, if that makes any sense. I'm thinking there's a good chance a wolf was one of the ones quick to support her theories on me. Namely Volo, Kuru, and Mac (though less likely him, since I still don't think he's very wolfish).

Anyways, that'd only secure my thoughts on my original two suspects, especially if they are both indeed wolves. Because if I am right, the third wolf is probably very scared indeed.

[Thinlómien]

Now that is odd. I don't know what to make of Farael and Kuru's little argument... very interesting...

Unlike Farael, I think Kuru's "I have a bad feeling"-post seemed genuine - mostly because he sounded scaringly much like being right about the fact that Menel and Might might be both innocent after all.

I'm really torn between voting Menel and Brinn but would like to avoid double lynch and I have a bad feeling we will lynch yet another ordo toDay... :rolleyes:

edit: xed with Brinn and Farael

[Volo]

This is a bad topic so late, but I'm returning to what Kath said.
I actually haven't had a proper look at Brinn which I wanted to do (not an analysis, she's done too many posts for that!) but I caught The Might's first post toDay and it seemed a bit overdone.What I underlined pretty clearly says that she hadn't Dreamed of Brinn.
Might is a bit suspicious here, but I'll explain again why I think he hasn't been Dreamed of:
I might also add Menel to that list of suspects. I know it was Kuru I was complaining about earlier but he feels like a misguided innocent to me. Menel could be too, some of his comments smack of not concentrating on the game a lot, such as his belief that Rikae is still in it, but his arguments are still ... I can't explain it, he's just not fitting right to me.Here Menel comes as a new character into Kath's posts. That means that her suspicion on him either started on Day3 or Night3. The fact that she can't explain it and he doesn't fit right to her looks the best hint I can find. This differs from her other suspects, as there she says that she's unsure, not that she can't explain it. I won't bet my head on this, as it might be like Fea said, that Kath hadn't put hints in her posts, but the fact that Kath didn't post many posts makes me feel that she put a lot of effort into the posts she did post - adding hints.


EDIT: Xd with Brinn and Lommy.

[Kuruharan]

Then you've never played with me, which you have... have I ever refrained myself from accusing someone who seemed wolfish? even if I've been wrong often lately doesn't mean I'll stop trying to find a wolf and start trying to "look innocent"


You appear to be posting scared because you launch yourself at me with a particular fury that is out of all proportion to my original comment, even though that comment did hold a specific point about some of the things you've been doing in this game.

Why is that, I wonder?

Could it be that I finally have a wolf by the tail...?

[Farael]

Now that is odd. I don't know what to make of Farael and Kuru's little argument... very interesting...

Unlike Farael, I think Kuru's "I have a bad feeling"-post seemed genuine - mostly because he sounded scaringly much like being right about the fact that Menel and Might might be both innocent after all.

But Loomy dear, you always have bad feelings! :D and we need to suspect someone at this point... it doesn't help us if our votes are so divided that the wolves can at the end, vote together and decide whom to lynch.

Look, I'm not saying we should all bandwagon on two suspects 'cos there's a chance of us being wrong... but if two people have been consistently suspected throughout the game, and acted in ways that everyone agrees are wolfish... what other evidence do we need? unfortunately, the Seer is gone without giving us any revelations, therefore previous behaviour is all we have to go on with.

And are you going to tell me Might and Menel have not been suspicious?

Yes, we could go for far-fetched theories and weak accusations, but I personally would rather act on STRONG accusations before grasping at straws.

Edit: more mis-bolding

[Kuruharan]

And I'd like to re-emphasize that Farael didn't attack me until after I'd mentioned his name.

[Farael]

You appear to be posting scared because you launch yourself at me with a particular fury that is out of all proportion to my original comment, even though that comment did hold a specific point about some of the things you've been doing in this game.

Why is that, I wonder?

Could it be that I finally have a wolf by the tail...?

This is a bit of circular logic on my part, but doesn't it seem interesting that throughout the game Kuru has said nothing of essence, but now that he has a chance to make someone look suspicious he's very sure and confident?

Lynch me Kuru it will be the death of you when I'm found an ordo.

Edit: Fixing a bolding

[Macalaure]

I'm a bit surprised though how defensively you reacted when I said I'll read through your posts.I wasn't being defensive. I don't mind you looking at my posts at all. I would like more people to do so, because the way others talk about what one said can shed some light on them. I'm the only person I know to be innocent, after all. There were some of you who have escaped my sight so far, and with that post, Aganzir, you basically volunteered to be the first in line. ;)


Aganzir:

In 99 she already starts to suspect A Little Green. This seems rather innocent to me. I can't believe the wolves planned to lynch their fellow newbie(!) wolf from day one on. She also says that voting TM is like throwing away one's vote. But then, that's how I felt, too, at that time. Her other thoughts of that day more or less are the same as mine, which doesn't prove anything, but isn't alarming as well.

On day two she suggests that maybe the wolves killed Valier because she wanted to lynch the quiet ones, which is bogus. She backs away from it quickly, which leads me to think she wasn't sincere about it, which makes me think: wolf. She brings forth a strange theory about Menel, Rikae, and me. In 226, Legate is innocent, Lily and Sally are suspicious, Valier is in the middle, and morm and Kath she doesn't know about. She votes Lily at the serious third position. If the vote was wolvish, she's a very cold-blooded wolf. This doesn't seem to fit to the strange things she's been saying all day.

Her main suspects in 293 are two known innocents and two unknowns. She makes a short analysis of Legate, still doubts Lommy but doesn't worry about her later, feels better about Menel and Sally, starts to worry about Brinniel. The way she resumes her suspicions of Sally is worrisome ("I don't like the way she's making me feel"). "If she lives, I'll be torn about her tomorrow" looks bad.

Continues to go after Brinniel, something which I don't share, but which I wouldn't mind, but her reasoning either completely relies on TM's role or are made out of thin air (and look who agrees with Aganzir immediately: Volo (475)). She's a little too forward and backward about the Might.


There definitely are suspicious elements in her posts. The Might's role will tell us something about her. I'm putting her right after Volo and the Might in my suspicion list.

She will be joined there by Farael. Kuru's doubts about TM and Menel seem very honest to me and make me feel a lot better about him. Farael's attack comes out of nowhere and it doesn't seem to have a good intent behind it.

(edit: crossed with..... many)

[Volo]

Namely Volo, Kuru, and Mac (though less likely him, since I still don't think he's very wolfish).Oh, no I hadn't agreed, I just said that I'd look at what she's saying, that's different. I'm growing more suspicious of Kuru.

Unlike Farael, I think Kuru's "I have a bad feeling"-post seemed genuine - mostly because he sounded scaringly much like being right about the fact that Menel and Might might be both innocent after all.
Explain, please, I don't think I understood you.

I think it is a horrible idea to try to find new suspects at this point of the Day!

EDIT: Xd with Mac.

[Brinniel]

And I'd like to re-emphasize that Farael didn't attack me until after I'd mentioned his name.
While I find Farael far from innocent (still a big questionmark to me), I think that's a really weak point to suspect him on.

[Kuruharan]

While I find Farael far from innocent (still a big questionmark to me), I think that's a really weak point to suspect him on.

Not when you stop to consider the ferocity of his attack, I think it is actually a rather strong point.

[Volo]

Tommorow, I think it would do good to inspect people from the "talk-effect" side. Who have been the ones to move the discussion into something we pretty much know is futile and bad for that moment.

I don't think I'll have the time to analyse Brinn toDay. :(

[Thinlómien]

Argh. While Farael and Kuru both strike me as innocentish as separate cases, their spat seems like there's a wolf involved. The problem is that I can't tell which one (and that I'm not sure about this). It is very interesting how Mac sides with Kuru and Brinn with Farael. That is something that should be looked at more closely if one of them dies and his/her role is revealed...


Explain, please, I don't think I understood you.I meant that when he said that thing, I realised I had a bad feeling like that too and thus he seemed quite innocent to me. Understand now? :)

I think it is a horrible idea to try to find new suspects at this point of the Day!No it isn't! It would be horrible if we didn't consider on any other people than those we had discussed all the day! I don't find these new suspects worrying as most people are still going to vote (or seem to be going to vote) someone whose guilt they've pondered for a long time, not on any last minute whim.

Brinn feels more innocent now. I think I will vote Menel. But I still don't like the fact that Brinn seems to be acting too rationally to be innocent.

edit: xed with Kuru and Volo

[Brinniel]

I need to vote very soon. And it will still be either Menel or Might, though I'm still undecided on which one.

Anyone (aside from Lommy) have a preference on which one? Since I suspect both, I'd really like to vote for whoever's more preferred to avoid another double-lynch.

[Macalaure]

I think I'm going to vote the Might. I think Menel is innocent, and Brinniel probably, too. All my other suspects are not in the running.

[Volo]

I skimmed through Brinn with a thought and I couldn't find the feel of her being a Wolf. I think she's Innocent. All that she has said has been said with too little flaws for a Wolf - the flaws that Wolves make. From the glance I couldn't find any special reactions to other people that would indicate fellow Wolves. That means:

++Menel

I have one more point to make toDay.


Xd with everything since my previous post.

[Macalaure]

A kingdom for a vote count

Farael -> TM
TM -> Menel
Shasta -> Menel (Menel 2, TM 1)
Menel -> TM (Menel 2, TM 2)
Aganzir -> Brinn (Menel 2, TM 2, Brinn 1)
Volo -> Menel (Menel 3, TM 2, Brinn 1)

left to vote: Lommy, Fea, Brinn, Kuru, and me.

[Macalaure]

Lommy said she wanted to vote Menel, I said I wanted the Might. Brinn and Kuru are undecided, I think. Where is Fea?

I guess I would vote Menel to avoid a multiple lynch, but that would be a truly wasted vote.

[Kuruharan]

To tell the truth, I'd rather vote for Farael than anybody as he now seems the most wolfish to me by far...but I don't want to cause a double lynch.

I'll probably vote Menel just because he seems like he might be more slippery.

[Macalaure]

I would join you with Farael, but only with sufficient support from others.

[Thinlómien]

I won't vote Farael until I have better grounds to suspect him...

[Macalaure]

And what about the Might?

[Brinniel]

Alright.

++Menel

it is.

I have to go now.

[Thinlómien]

From whom are you asking, Mac? If you asked that from me, well, I'm still so unsure of him that I'd prefer voting Menel, but I'd choose him over almost anybody else and I wouldn't be too sad to see him go because that would reveal quite a lot of things...

edit: xed with Brinn

[Kuruharan]

Looks like it will have to be Menel for me...unless something really dramatic happens in like...

5 seconds or so...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Arghaafsogiha. I fell asleep after class. On the plus side, I made up for a lot of not-sleep this week, on the downside, I just missed the Day. :(

++Menel

I refuse to see another multiple lynch if I can help it. Though I'd really rather vote for TM. I have no desire to be held responsible for upping other-party vote counts ten minutes before deadline.

[Kuruharan]

++ Menel

I hope our earlier suspicions were all justified.

[Macalaure]

*sigh*

++Meneltarmacil

Let's hope I'm wrong about him.

[Volo]

I highly suspect Mac, very highly! And I ask you to read this post and think about it during the Night!

1. He has never, never felt like this to me. He has felt more present before.

2. I get the feeling that he concentrates on me most of the time, but is undecisive.

3. He is wrong with what he mostly says, or so I feel:

Suspicions basing solely on these comments:

Suspicious: Lommy (probably innocent), Legate (innocent), morm (Ranger)

A Little Suspicious: Aganzir, The Might, A Little Green (Wolf), Kath (Seer)

Unknown: Vo?o (no typo ) (innocent, to me), Fea, Sally (innocent), Farael, Shasta

Innocentish: Menel, Brinn, Kuru

I get the feeling that he carefully divided us into these groups, as the possible Wolves seem to lie too neatly. Lily was the partner whom he decided to suspect, look at the way he voted her.
Menel he has always found innocent, which I recall wierd:

Lily and Menel

"I found Menel's continuous joking about not being eaten disturbing.
my vote today will most probably be Menel."

Menel finds her suspicious but chooses morm over her for reasons I think are understandable. Here's an example, while I find Menel very suspicious because of this very thing, Mac doesn't.

only considering the interaction with Lily:

suspicious: Volo (innocent, to me), The Might

a little suspicious: Sally (innocent), Farael

neutral: Aganzir, Menel, Fea, Kath (Seer), Kuru, Shasta

innocent: Lommy (probably innocent), morm (Ranger), BrinnHere the same as before. And I don't like these "suspicious based only on factor X", it doesn't give the whole picture and Mac's real opinion. Seems a good trick for a Wolf.


This was said very hurriedly because the deadline is drawing, but I'll look into this and explain better tomorrow. I hope you will think about this too!


Xd with everything since my preveous post.

[Thinlómien]

++MENEL

Let's kill him then.

I think it is quite possible I die next Night (because everybody seems to think me innocent), so maybe it's time for some last words. The problem is, I really can't say anything sensible, except: suspect and reconsider everyone. :D I'm particularily worried about Fea slipping under everybody's radar, especially as she doesn't seem too innocent to me.

That being said, I almost hope Agan's a wolf, because otherwise two innocents are probably going to miss Day5 and it doesn't sound nice at all. And remember what I said about the wolves growing bolder.

edit: xed with Kuru, Mac and Volo

[Volo]

And what about the Might?If Menel is a Wolf, I'll be quite sure that Mac is also one.

[Volo]

That being said, I almost hope Agan's a wolf, because otherwise two innocents are probably going to miss Day5 and it doesn't sound nice at all. And remember what I said about the wolves growing bolder.

She can "play" via telephone with Noggie :D

[Nogrod]

Day4 is over.

Menel's death coming up...

[Nogrod]

Some of the hobbits told the others they were not feeling particularily well after they discovered what was left of Kath Woodyend. So it was decided that they went ahead to the Green Dragon while the rest gathered the pieces of Kath they could find for the burial.

When those taking part in the funeral procedures finally came to the Green Dragon they were faced with a peculiar sight.

Lommy Baggins was banging her head against the wall and just next beside her Brinn Burrows was kicking herself mumbling quietly “If I’m wrong this time I’ll eat my socks...”

At the table of adults Volo Proudfoot sat alone repeating a mantra to himself: “I wish I was dead... too much influence... my head’s going to explode...”

“Mine too!” yelled the Baggins and banged her head to the wall once again.

At the elder’s table there were two round-shouldered figures who were eating different clothing items. Farael Twofoot was just eating his hat and passed the tomatosauce to Menel Furryface who tried to gnaw through his sandal.

In the middle of this The Might of Greenholm sat in the floor scattering ashes to his hair and wailing “I’m a total fool... I’ll vote for anyone you tell me to vote... I’ll eat my socks if you insist...”

~*~

It was only the second breakfast that brought things back to order and the accusations started to fly once again. And this time it felt like being real.

The Might was heavily suspected from his reckless actions yesterday but also Menel Furryface took his part of the accusations.

Towards the late hours Kuru Shrewthwacker and Farael Twofoot went after each other heatedly enough in the elder’s table. Walking sticks were swang to and fro and the others had to cool the oldtimers down. It seemed age-old feuds were easily reignited in times of trouble.

But in the end it was pretty clear what was the result. It was perhaps even too clear to aid them much in the coming Days... But Menel Furryfoot it was to be this Day.

~*~

Volo Proudfoot stood up and walked to the door. “Just wait a minute. I’ll bring you something I’ve designed toDay”.

He went outside the door and soon everyone heard the clatter and rattling. Finally he emerged from the doorway dragging an iron cage with him. Menel went pale just with the sight of it.

“Now this should make the Furryfoot talk! I’ve designed it myself and would like to call it the Iron Hobbitess. You can see the sharpened ironspikes inside... they’re calculated to inflict enough pain for the victim to actually talk as they penetrate his flesh. And if it’s a werewolf we have in there he can’t escape from the cage. What say you?”

Volo looked proud with his invention as the others sat gasping and tried to swallow the idea.

“Okay, inside you go!” called the Might of Greenholm and looked towards Menel.

“Yeah, you should try that one out!” added Shasta of the River and yanked Menel up from his place in the table of elders.

“I’ll give you a hand”, said Brinn and took the other hand of Menel starting to drag him towards the Iron Hobbitess.

Fea Briarpatch and Kuru Shrewthwacker raised up at the same time from the elder’s table and gave a hand in pushing the now screaming Menel inside the cage.

Mac Sandyman had also stood up and came to help tucking Menel’s head inside.

Finally it was Lommy Baggins who slammed the door of the cage close. Volo slipped in the bolt immediately just in case.

Menel howled loudly. He screamed his lungs empty.

The blood was rapidly spreading on the floor.

“Uh-oh... I may have miscalculated the length of the spikes then...”, Volo muttered apologetically.

Menel Furryfoot was dead pierced by the spikes.

He was nothing more than a decent ordinary hobbit.

~*~

The dead:
Nogrod (mod) - Noggie Boffin - beheaded and played soccer with on Night1
Nerwen (ordo) - Nerwen Hornblower - jumped to the river not to force anyone to kill another hobbit on Day1
Valier (ordo) - Vallen FurryFoot - skinned, grilled and served as a breakfast on Night2
Rikae (ordo) – Rikae Took - left the Hobbitton to find aid from somewhere in the middle of Day2
A Little Green (the Breath) - Lilla Greenhand - beaten to death by the hobbits on Day2
Legate of Amon Lanc (ordo) - Legate Sackville-Baggins - sacked, bagged & hanged on Night3
Satansaloser2005 (ordo) - Sally Shortbrush - rammed dead with a table on Day3
Mormegil (the ranger of the Shire) - Mormegil Harrybelly - stabbed to death on Day3
Kath (the seer of the shire) – Kath Woodyend - slashed into pieces during a round game on Night4
Meneltarmacil (ordo) - Lupo Furryface - pierced dead inside the Iron Hobbitess on Day4

The living:
Thinlómien - Lommy Baggins
Aganzir - Agan Sackville-Baggins
Volo - Justy Proudfoot
Macalaure - Mac Sandyman
The Might - Might of Greenholm
Feanor of the Peredhil - Belladonna Briarpatch
Brinniel - Brinn Burrows
Farael – Farael Twofoot
Shastanis Althreduin – Shasta of the River
Kuruharan -Kuru Shrewthwacker

Night5 begins.

Wolves plan forwards... and remember to send your kill to Legate as well.

Good Night!

[Nogrod]

Day5 will be postponed with 24 hours.

Day5 will start at 9PM GMT on Saturday 8th of December.


Wolves take your time... ordinary Shirefolk concentrate. ;)

[Nogrod]

”Something the Flame said yesterNight got me thinking and I believe I’ve found a stinger that will really offer a challenge”, the Drop said as the werewolves gathered around the mallorn once again.

“I’m all ears”, the Flame responded immediately.

“I’m afraid I have no choice...”, the Shard muttered.

“Okay then Shard. Now are you a werewolf due to your own will? By your own choosing that is?” the Drop asked innocentishly.

“Of course not”, the Shard snapped back. “But what do these hypotheticals have to do with anything? I’m a werewolf whether it’s my own choosing or not and that’s what counts.”

“Ahh, but in morality it counts... and elsewhere too. Be patient my friend”, the Drop answered and continued. “So as a werewolf – not from your own choosing – could you decide or will to decide not to kill anyone?” The Drop grinned.

“Well...” the Shard managed to mumble.

“R-rright! That’s the point I’ve been looking for!” the Flame rejoiced. “If you can’t help it then you can’t be blamed on it either! You can’t say it’s good or bad to breathe as you just can’t help breathing...”

“And it’s even more radical than that”, the Drop announced solemnly. “We’re beyond goor and evil my brothers!”

“Just a moment... I think I’m getting your point, but...”, the Shard thought out aloud with half-voice. “But if you’re putting forward a thesis that says that we act according to what is our nature and perform quite well with it... it would also mean that we’re... good werewolves!”

“Good werewolves beyond good and evil?” the Flame chuckled, “Well look at the scoreboard. Definitevely good, not beyond anything else but a poor performance...”

“Please Flame. We're serious now”, the Drop put in.

“Okay, let me put it to you then”, the Shard said now clearly upbeat, following the train of his own thoughts. “I’ll make a new distinction for us. So what comes to our essence as what we are by nature - and which we can't choose - we’re good. Like a knife is good when it performs the tasks that make it a knife well... and as werewolves we’re the killers and we kill effectively so we’re good werewolves. But as moral subjects we are beyond good and evil because we have no choice but to do what we do...”

“That was pretty impressive! I was thinking exactly something like that!” the Drop applauded the Shard even if he realised his pun wasn’t the best one.

“Wait a minute then!” the Flame broke in. “Following this theory of yours I mean... What would you have to say about the hobbits then?” The Flame smiled widely.

The two were astonished enough for the Flame to take the word back to him.

“So my turn then? Now what kind of creature is a hobbit... a good hobbit?” the Flame grinned barely able to control a laughter.

“Generous... laughing..., friendly, warmhearted?” the Drop began.

“I see what you mean!” the Shard said. “So also peaceful, non-violent, never killing any one of his kin...”

“Ditto! And look at our hobbits here: quarrelsome, accusatory, ill-wishing, rude... and to top it all more than ready to kill each other!” the Flame paraded.

“Very bad hobbits indeed... both in essence and from the moral point of view!” the Drop yelled as he understood what the Flame meant.

“So, we’re the goodies and they’re the baddies!” the Shard underlined the proposition on the air.

After that there was no return. All the three werewolves roared with laughter and patted each other on the shoulders.

“Oh, my stomach hurts!” the Drop managed to wail in between the laughters.

~*~

“Okay then. We goodies have work to do”, the Shard reminded the others eventually, smiling widely.

“Yeah, let’s do it in a way that fits our new identity”, the Flame grinned.

“How about that one?” the Drop pointed at a gorgeous hobbithole some hundred yards from them.

“Isn’t that the Baggins? A fine pick I’d say...” the Shard nodded and followed the Drop.

“Bring her here to the mallorn, I’ve an idea... and bring some rope will'ya?” the Flame called after the two others who were already on their way.

~*~

The Shard and the Drop brought Lommy Baggins to the mallorn. She had stopped fighting back a long ago as she had realised she was no match for the two giant werewolves. The Flame then presented them with his plan holding two fireworks left by Gandalf in his claws.

“Now, here’s what we do... We’ll tie her arms to her body and then two of these rockets to her sides... and maybe that big one to her back”.

“Excellent idea! I’ve always loved fireworks!”

“And no more lullabies or round games... I’ve never quite liked them anyhow”, the Shard commented.

~*~

The hobbits woke that morning to the sound of fireworks going off. And as they went to their windows this was what they saw.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/NogrodU/HandvsShire6.jpg

The Day rose just moments after the fireworks display was over. There were small pieces of hobbit everywhere as well as parts of clothing. The smell of sulphur still remained in the air. Lommy Baggins was nowhere to be seen...

~*~

The dead:
Nogrod (mod) - Noggie Boffin - beheaded and played soccer with on Night1
Nerwen (ordo) - Nerwen Hornblower - jumped to the river not to force anyone to kill another hobbit on Day1
Valier (ordo) - Vallen FurryFoot - skinned, grilled and served as a breakfast on Night2
Rikae (ordo) – Rikae Took - left the Hobbitton to find aid from somewhere in the middle of Day2
A Little Green (the Breath) - Lilla Greenhand - beaten to death by the hobbits on Day2
Legate of Amon Lanc (ordo) - Legate Sackville-Baggins - sacked, bagged & hanged on Night3
Satansaloser2005 (ordo) - Sally Shortbrush - rammed dead with a table on Day3
Mormegil (the ranger of the Shire) - Mormegil Harrybelly - stabbed to death on Day3
Kath (the seer of the shire) – Kath Woodyend - slashed into pieces during a round game on Night4
Meneltarmacil (ordo) - Lupo Furryface - pierced dead inside the Iron Hobbitess on Day4
Thinlómien (ordo) - Lommy Baggins - blown to the skies with fireworks on Night5

The living:
Aganzir - Agan Sackville-Baggins
Volo - Justy Proudfoot
Macalaure - Mac Sandyman
The Might - Might of Greenholm
Feanor of the Peredhil - Belladonna Briarpatch
Brinniel - Brinn Burrows
Farael – Farael Twofoot
Shastanis Althreduin – Shasta of the River
Kuruharan -Kuru Shrewthwacker

Day5 begins...

Three against six.

[Macalaure]

Alright, I know this will maybe annoy you a little right now, but...

I TOLD YOU SO!

That just had to be said.


In the light of Menel's death, the Might looks even worse. I think Shasta is finally worth a serious look now. Brinniel's vote is suspicious, because it destroyed all efforts of looking for better lynch candidates. Kuru, Fea, Farael, Aganzir - there's at least one wolf hiding among those, but I don't know who it is. There's a lot to be done today.

It might be suspicious that I'm going to drop all my suspicions against Volo now, since he just started to suspect me, but the way he bases so much of his points against me on the wolfdom of Menel it is rather obvious that he didn't know Menel's role - because of the time he posted them (he would have known that much of his points were obsolete after Menel's death).

And I don't like these "suspicious based only on factor X", it doesn't give the whole picture and Mac's real opinion.I used those lists as a very short way to sum up what I looked at just before. I think I usually gave my overall opinions nearer to the deadline - by the time they had formed.
And about concentrating on you indecisively: The first two days I was unsure of you, so of course I was indecisive. Later, I lacked any support for your lynching by the rest of the village.

I hope you're not planning to concentrate on me too much today. Even if you're certain of my guilt, don't forget there are two more wolves out there.

[Farael]

This is looking difficult.... the wolves have played us very skillfuly!!! I still think that The Might is too wolvish... and thus, probably a wolf. But I've been so wrong this time around that I'm starting to get paranoid.

I really think Kuruharan made a lot of weak accusations, then I reacted to that and he answered with the typical "oh, you are defending yourself thus you ought to be a wolf". I still say that I was attacking him, not defending myself. Look it on your own and make your choice, but I believe Kuru is a wolf.

Furthermore, he was quiet and reserved throughout the whole game, and then BAM he's all over me. Smelled blood and went for the kill.

Problem is, even if The Might and Kuruharan are both wolves, I'm at a loss as to who the third one is. I'd love to hear a good case against Shasta 'cps I haven't seen it myself... and even though I know it's frustrating when one's too busy to play but still doing their best, Fea has flown completely under the radar, and she's smart enough to pull it off.

Still, before going into a witch hunt for the third wolf I cannot find, I'd much rather get rid of Might and Kuruwolf.

[Brinniel]

Well, obviously I was wrong about Menel being a wolf. I admit I can't help but feel more than frustrated at that and the idea of how much these wolves are manipulating us. I miscalculated yesterDay- we should actually have two more Days to catch one wolf, which means two more chances. But it doesn't help that a third of us are baddies toDay, which will make things even more difficult.

I said yesterDay I thought there was at least one wolf among Menel and Might. My mind hasn't changed. Menel is dead and innocent...which leaves Might. I am quite ready to lynch him toDay, but I won't be so hasty to vote for him just yet. Because I first want to consider other possible werewolves. There are two of them (three if I'm wrong about Might), and I'm really unsure on who they might be.

I've reached a point where no one seems innocent anymore and everyone looks suspicious. It might make me more paranoid, but perhaps that is best so that I no longer let anyone slip under-the-radar.

Here's some first thoughts on everyone:

Aganzir: I don't like her sudden violent attacks on me. She's the one who began suspecting me and somehow drew up a lot of support. She is wrong because I know I'm innocent, even if I can't prove it to anyone, but I'm still not sure whether her attacks are that of a wolf's. If they are, she is being a very bold wolf.

Volo: I began to suspect him less yesterDay mainly because I thought Menel was a wolf. But now that Menel's been proven innocent, I'm beginning to suspect him a bit more. I'm feeling very uneasy about Volo; I think I had good reasons to suspect him previously, and I might've let him off the hook too easily. I definitely need to take a closer look at him.

Mac: I've found him innocentish for most of the game, but perhaps I shouldn't let him slip by so easily. After all, in previous games I've been so sure that certain people were innocent, only to find out they were wolves. He's definitely not the most suspicious, but I would still like to watch him more closely for now on.

Might: Guilty. I think we've been too quick to overlook him and we can't disregard the fact that his newbie behaviour might also be wolfish behaviour. Acting like a confused newbie is the easiest cover-up. The other wolves might even be encouraging it because it's confusing us so much. And I still can't see why Kath wouldn't dream of him when she kept him on her suspicious list all the Days she was alive. Might just feels guilty to me. Of course, I won't deny I have this fear that I could be horribly wrong like I was with Menel. If I am, I really will eat my socks!

Fea: I'm really worried about how Fea has somehow managed to slip under-the-radar. I've never actually really played with her so I don't know her style so well, but from what I've heard, she can be quite fearsome as a wolf. I think she's definitely someone everyone should start watching more closely. I haven't taken much time looking at her posts, and perhaps I should.

Farael: I can't deny I'm uneasy about how every Day he attacks one person and votes for them early on, even though he manages to stick around until close to the deadline. It's suspicious....but then again, would a wolf be so obvious?

Shasta: He's our only quiet player during this game and therefore has managed to slide under the radar. At this point, we can't let anyone do that, no matter how little they've posted. Again, he's another I need to look at more closely. I admit I've overlooked him up until this point.

Kuru: His uncertainty about things always seemed to be a bit odd. Then his post #491 really throws me...I stated my reasons for it earlier. I don't like his attack on Farael at all. Farael may have been arguing his post, and while his name might have been mentioned in it, I don't think his argument was all that defensive...he actually did make some good points. So when Kuru titles his next post, "Did I touch a nerve?" I feel he's almost provoking Farael.

So right now I'm going to go with saying I suspect everyone. I just need to figure out which people I suspect more. I definitely need to take a better look at everyone's posts from yesterDay (and even before), but that will have to wait until later when I have more time.

Werewolf: Guilty until proven innocent. :rolleyes:

EDIT: X-ed with Farael

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Finally, some substance from me. It's lucky it's the weekend and I have time to do this! I'll edit my thoughts in as I read the posts. I am having to get rid of smileys though.

Urgh... That was grotesque.

What was the Ranger thinking last Night, really, drinking tea. Wasn't it mighty obvious that if the calling came then one of us would die. And wasn't it even more mightily obvious that poor ol' Noggie would be the one to die. After all, he was the wisest of us all and had the ability to see the evildoers with only one glance. Not a good start, wouldn't you think? Lazy Rangers shouldn't be allowed to live in our proud village. Drinking tea in the middle of the night, phew...

Fluffy banter.

It might be a bit nasty to say, but usually if a quiet person isn't lynched on Day1, Day2 will be more chaotic and in the end the poor quiet fellow will be lynched then just to be on the sure side as on Day3 we discuss the louder ones more. That is if the person lynched on Day1 isn't Wolf. (Assumptions, sadly.) I will lynch a quiet one rather than a loud one if I can't form a true suspicion, which I hope won't be the case.

Speak up! While I show bad example and retreat to sleep...

I don't disagree with the facts, but I disagree with the attitude. :(

You're forgetting that the highly analytial discussion doen't start on its own. You wouldn't have had anything to analyse if the quiet/loud discussion hadn't started before your post. I agree that the quiet/loud discussion itself rarelly leads to anything, but it does make people louder, and thence easier to analyse.

As much as you have said, I don't feel too safe with you, Rikae. The stuff you have is not special - except for the fact that you were the first to bring up such a post - anyone who bothers can write an analysis on each post and sounds reasonable, even a Wolf. And this is what a Wolf would want to write, because quite often such posts bring followers and trust. Some players don't have the nerve not to trust anybody except themselves and it's the easiest to trust a person who makes more sense than others. I hope I said this clearly.

I agree with you on Valier. She was the first person who gave out a Wolf-feeling while I was reading through the thread. There's not much to go on, but somehow both of us got the feeling that she might be a Wolf. The "lurking around" sounds nasty and somehow I have a feeling that the ones to give clear times when they can't play are Wolves.




Here's what I was trying to say:
If people are unsure of whom to lynch on Day1 and end up lynching a loud Ordo, the person most likely to be lynched on Day2 is quiet. And probably also an Ordo - like Rikae pointed out - because the quiet/loud discussion won't end on Day1 but will continue on Day2 leading to none very thought decisions. Quiet players who survive to the later Days are more safe, because there will be much more to analyse about the loud players and Day3 -> is known for analysing and not quiet/loud discussion.
That is just an assumption based on how things usually go and I'm not saying that lynching a quiet person on Day1 is a solution to everything. All players aren't sure of whom to vote on Day1 and often claim their vote random. I think Day1 "random" votes should rather be directed at quiet players, because otherwise they'll be directed at the quiet players on later Days for paranoia more than clear thoughts.



Except Gil-Galad. Good point though!


Legate, you make me suspect you (#33, 34) . I know you're a friendly player, but this is seems a bit too friendly, although I too would like to thank for good posts... The feeling that you're backing up others more than showing yourself is what makes me wonder. Please, would you try to say your thoughts a bit clearer.


It seems that the suspicion is leaning to Valier. Maybe what she said was just badly phrased, but she's one of suspects too.


#36, #37: I'd trust an Innocent Rikae's gut feelings about Mac. Which isn't saying much at this point...


Brinniel is a question mark for now.


EDIT: Xd with Legate

Suspects Rikae, Valier, and Legate here. All known innocents. Is unsure about Brinniel.

And it would work too if all the Innocents kept quiet. The more we talk, the more the Wolves have to talk not to show out - and that way they do give us substance to read on later Days. No, Fea, I don't agree with you - many players have "Fenris Wolf" in their sigs and that itself proves that Day1s are not for outright assuming that random votes (or based on anything that they really shouldn't be based, such as things that don't have anything to do with this current game) are the best solution.

I started my thoughts about you a bit too harshly - saying that I suspect you more than others was a bit unfair. It just bothered me that you had no clear thoghts on anybody, everybody you mentioned going both ways (flip-flopping?). But like Fea said - and I agree with her about this - there are no hard facts to base your thoughts on. I forgot that provoking you and your guts doesn't work...

Then again, in your last post you say it again - "Good! That was exactly what I wanted to hear from you. Thank you.", well what do you think of it if it's good enough to think about?


EDIT: Xd with Legate.

He sounds apologetic here. If I remember correctly, this becomes important later.

I'm not siding with Nerwen now, but that's also what I felt like saying after you stared at me. Now is Legate just right and has water-proof points or does he hold the voice of Saruman once again?

I guess this would answer my question.

Well, not good enough as it was spotted... Now this makes me want to lean to lynching Valier and finding out what she is. I'll try to take the feeling critically.


EDIT: Xd with Lommy and Aganzir.

The first sentence of this post strikes me as wolfish; as if Volo is distancing himself somehow. Of course, I don't know how valid this point is, as Nerwen was later proved innocent.

Might I ask you when did I agree with her? When I said that there are no hard facts on Day1? Yes, I did agree with that, but that is all with which I agreed. I do not prefer random votes, basicly because they're unfair and because they leave no trails - only by leaving trails can the Innocents get the Wolves to leave trails as they follow behind.


Legate's talk is too subtle and it leaves an open path for him to change the meaning of his words later on, but I see nothing wrong with suspecting Rikae. I have no way of proving it, but I wrote my post about Rikae before I read Legate's and decided not to change it when I got to it.

I'm not happy with voting Valier, but I haven't found any better reasons to vote anybody else. I hope she will return before any bandwagons will take place.

Saying "I'm not happy with voting Valier" is a clear contradiction with the above post... and the post two below this one.

++Valier

explanation in next post.

Ok, sorry for that. I haven't had time to read the third page at all as I just came late from a film, but I noticed that if I want to have any chance of lynching the person I suspect, I'd have to do it very quickly.

Valier's post #70 is a bit too desperate.

I'm sorry that you had too little time...

A very quickly formed list mainly to avoid being killied during the night for not suspecting clearly

Leaning Good:
Thinlómien
Meneltarmacil
Macalaure
The Might
Mormegil

Leaning Neutral (unknown):
Aganzir
Feanor of the Peredhil
Brinniel
Satansaloser2005
Farael
Shastanis Althreduin
Kuruharan
Kath
Nerwen

Leaning Evil:
Legate of Amon Lanc
A Little Green
Valier
Rikae

It's a common wolf tactic to have a list with one wolf partner on the suspicious list. Looking at Volo's "Leaning Evil:" list, we can see that A Little Green is the only wolf there, as Rikae, Valier, and Legate are all proven innocent.

I'm probably the most skilled person judging Lommy (and Nogrod, and Aganzir) wrong, but that sounds as what I said and it was from an Innocent's mouth.

Tomorrow will bring much much more light, this was a good Day to be looked at from tomorrow.

EDIT: Obviously - Xd with Lommy.

Urgh, again.

This explanation looks very very improbable, which is not saying that there can't be quiet Wolves around.

Lommy is once again hurrying to understand how the Wolves thought - like when she herself was a Wolf. But since the thought of Valier's assumed Seerdom also passes my head (like when Lommy was Wolf... ) I won't condemn her for this.

I have two ideas about Valier's death, although I'll also take the other ideas brought up into account.

1. Valier was thought to be the Seer. (Assuming what the Wolves might have thought -) She might have felt danger during Day1 and already then decided to leave hints about her dream, as her vote for morm was a somewhat wierd and random-ish otherwise. I think that morm might be a Wolf if this is the case.

2. Valier was simply lynched for not leaving a trail and because at least one of the Wolves is sporty. Such players are in my opinion Lommy, Legate, Mac, morm, Fea (?), Brin, Kath, Kuru, Rikae (?) and Aganzir (?) (- questionmarks are signs of doubt if the players are "sporty" enough for the deed). In this case there's probably at least two Wolves in this mightily broad list - which can be reduced in time as new evidence arrives and don't mean everybody dying.


I'll go to sleep now, I have some ideas about who might be who, but I'm plain too tired to form a post about them.


EDIT: Xd with everything since morm

This strikes me as disavowing too heartily Valier's death, when he was one of her main detractors on Day 1. It also strikes me as laying the foundation for suspicion on morm (though I can hardly throw stones at this.)



Ok, more stuff - quickly:

1. I doubt that Valier was killed for looking like a Seer if morm isn't a Wolf, so in that case it would be just to frame him. Which leads us to nothing.


2. Rikae, why did you drop your style (voted self on Day1 in her first post, was it?) from the preveous game so totally and completely? Last game you seemed to regard Day1 as a waste of time and now you're so certain that the Wolves can be found by analysis already on Day1. This is just a questing, it has been bothering me.


3. Looking at yesterDay, I'm quite sure that Lommy has been Seered upon. I wouldn't concentrate on her too much toDay. Basicly because I don't suspect her a lot. Post #126 seems genuine at the very least, a Wolf wouldn't have phrased her words so, unless Lommy did a very smart bluff on purpose.


X:d with everything since my preveous post. Now I'm totally offline.

Oh, I assure you I was at least as tired when I wrote it. But what I meant is this:
Morm is Innocent and the Wolves know it. Valier attacks morm in a way that can be interpreted as an attack by a Seer. But the Wolves know that Valier didn't dream of morm if she dreamt at all. And except that I see very little in her saying that she'd be the Seer. Concluding that the Wolves didn't think of Valier as the Seer.
The problem is that this talk about how the Wolves saw Valier lead to nothing. It is fun to bring your own thoughts about how the Wolves thought when they chose their kill, but I don't see how it can discussed at Day and turn out productive. For the simple reason that the Wolves might bluff, double-bluff, shoot the darkness, plan something very complicated, kill a certain type of player. And the Innocents have no way of knowing what the Wolves thought until the end of game.
Ok, that might have been a bit overreacted, but toDay is concentrated too much on what the Wolves might have thought at Night, it's nearly as unproductive and confusing as the quiet/loud discussion. As Farael already mentioned, by the way.
(I personally think that they chose Valier because she'd leave no trail.)

By "sporty" in meant that they'd rather kill quiet players than players know to be dangerous. I'll try not to say something as cryptic again.


Now at last to what I think about who the Wolves might be.

(There's a list of my preveous suspicions in post #129 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537578&postcount=129).)


Sally: Now she sure hunts morm! She constantly flirts with the idea of being a Wolf, which seems like something a Wolf wouldn't do, but it's driving me crazy. I'm capable of imagining a Wolf who does that, even a newbie Wolf - no, especially a newbie Wolf. Sally appologised that she wouldn't be productive, and truly, she hasn't been productive. I'm thinking of she might be a Wolf who thinks of being very far from being lynched - there's not enough try there, as if her appologisive tone is an excuse for just being around.
The more I read her posts, the more I feel that that's our Wolf.

Green: This looks very suspicious. Why would she concentrate on morm so much at that time if they weren't Wolves? Seems very out of place. Instead of "what did I do wrong", a "what did my partner do wrong".
Post #123 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537572&postcount=123) is on the whole very suspicious:
1. It feels like Green is voting just because she has to vote and not because she really suspects Nerwen, her reason being rather odd to me (Well, then again I don't really understand why Nerwen was lynched in the first place - although lynching Valier would have been no better).
2. I'm not completely sure about this, but the way Green turns her suspicion at Lommy in the same post as she votes another person is worrying. I've seen many Innocents doing this, so I can't decide if this should be taken into account.

morm: I haven't looked too closely at toDays posts of his as there simply hasn't been enough time, but he is linked to both of my main suspects and that makes me suspect his as well.


Leaning Good:
Because Legate and Lommy agree with me, I don't think that they are Wolves. If we are wrong, I'll look at them more closely. Both feel Innocent toDay.
Mac
The Might
Fea

I don't have any ideas formed about these at the moment:
Meneltarmacil
Aganzir
Farael
Shastanis Althreduin
Kuruharan

There's something nasty there, I'll see to it when I have the time:
Kath
Brinniel


I'm late for a meeting and I Xd with everything since #188.

Popping in to answer, haven't read all. Family'll throw me out if I don't go party Chrismas with them.


Simple. 1. I think that they're honest because I conclude as they do independadly. For proof look at my post at about 11PM GMT where I promise to show my ideas and my preveous post which is nearly a cross-post with Legate and Lommy so I couldn't have searched for my thoughts about you and Sally after Legates post so fast.
2. A lot will be cleared about them if our suspects are Innocent or Wolves. Which will reveal a lot (to me) about both Lommy's and Legate's roles. I find it stupid to suspect them at this point.

About who are suspicious.
Yes, dear, I reserved a special place above the list for you, a place called "suspicious".
I like the "incredibly clever" part. :D The only thing here than makes me suspect you less is than you're a newbie, but Wolves frequently vote eachother, otherwise finding them would be much easier as we would know outright who can't be a Wolf after we find who was a Wolf. Since morm was in no real danger of being lynched, it was safe to vote him to cover tracks. And if he is in real danger of being lynched, it's easy to hide among the votes as your vote can't save him anyway. (Umm... Why am I explaining these things anyway... I find you suspicious and if you're a Wolf you probably understand it anyway.)

I find it funny that you would say something like this as you have pretty much trusted me the whole game and agreed with nearly everything I have said, or at least told me as much. And why doesn't my trust for you and Legate turn on such alarms? The thought that you have noticed that I trust people who agree with me (Heck, I even said so myself in the preveous post.) and used it against us comes into my mind.
But I am not going to vote you or Legate toDay. I'm very sure that tomorrow will make these things much clearer.

And another note about Lommy & Legate: Even if I'm wrong in trusting them, I find it extremely improbable that both of them are Wolves, there is too much agreement between them, even if their lists aren't completely alike. And since there is no Cobbler in this game, I'm sure than at least one of them does deserve our trust.


I'll leave this at this and move to look into Kath's, Brinniel's and Mac's (Since you asked for it...) souls or something like that.

So many players could be called under-the-radar flyers. Not that they aren't noticed, but they are not discussed. Probably that's good for now as this large number of players is taking a toll on me, I really wouldn't want to participate in the game I modded.

Kath leaves me completely baffled. And the problem is that she seemes to leave pretty much everybody else baffled as well, even Fea. Mac would appear the only one suspecting her. I don't remember an Innocent Kath doing that, at the very least she has been suspicious. Since it is the case, I hope to see more of her in the Days to come.


Brinniel:
Flashback to Lily's (Haha, funny, I'll use that, although it would help us to decide one name for each player, that would help using "search" a lot.) post. That's all.
Really - except for her analysis, which is obviously very unrational *joke* - she looks rational, useful - although I don't find much use in summaries like that, except when I write them myself, sorry Brin - and Innocent. As for Kath, I'd give her more time.



Shalln't, I really hope that is forgotten as it is. But if you insist - please don't - I will explain.

It's either Lily or Sally for me, but since voting Sally would be rather risky and hurried at this point...

++ A Little Green


EDIT: Xd with Mac

I made a vote chart, I hope it is understandable. I'll post it differently if it's too confusing.
*=dead
(i)=known Innocent (in my case known only to me)
(w)=known Wolf


Day1 votes:

Kath - Might 1

Nerwen* (i) - Lommy 1

Valier* (i) - morm 1

Might - Might 2

Rikae* (i) - Nerwen* (i) 1

Sally - morm 2

morm - Valier* (i) 1

Fea - morm 3

Brinn - Nerwen* (i) 2

Legate* (i) - Nerwen* (i) 3

Volo (i) - Valier* (i) 2

Agan - Nerwen* (i) 4

Mac - Nerwen* (i) 5

Menel - morm 4

Lily* (w) - Nerwen* (i) 6

Lommy - Nerwen* (i) 7

Kuru - Nerwen* (i) 8

Farael - no vote

Shasta - no vote


Day2 votes:

Sally - morm 1

Farael - Rikae* (i) 1

Shasta - Volo (i) 1

morm - Volo (i) 2

Fea - Lily* (w) 1

Kath - Lily* (w) 2

Agan - Lily* (w) 3

Menel - morm 2

Volo (i) - Lily* (w) 4

Legate* (i) - Sally 1

Brinn - Lily* (w) 5

Mac - Lily* (w) 6

Lily* (w) - Volo (i) 3

Might - Lily* (w) 7

Lommy - Lily* (w) 8

Rikae* (i) - no vote

Kuru - no vote



This leads to a different chart which I don't think is confusing:

1. People who have voted only for players whose roles we don't know yet:
Sally, Menel

2. People who have vote for only Innocent players (including me):
morm, Lily* (w), Kuru, Farael, Shasta

A. People who have voted for a Wolf (in this order):
Fea, Kath, Agan, Volo, Brinn, Mac, Might, Lommy

B. People who have not voted for a Wolf:
Sally, Farael, Shasta, morm, Menel, Legate* (i), Lily* (w), Kuru


The most suspicious players to me otherwise (Sally, morm, Lily*) seem to have entered the 1. and 2. categories.

I'm more and more sure of Lommy's Innocence. Apart from her I'm rather sure than Aganzir is also Innocent. The other Lily-voters look good too.


Xd with everything toDay.

Like I've said it before, I feel that Sally is a Wolf. Reasons:
And besides she doesn't seem to be sad at all for not being productive, on the contry she smiles a lot and I have a feeling that she simply doesn't care for the survival of the Village.

What I don't want is a bandwagon starting from the very morning, because the earlier we vote the less of the Day we use to discuss things.

And like I've said before, morm has been targeted by both Lily (Kuru has it here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537965&postcount=268).) and Sally (I mean her constant suspicion and votes) in rather wierd situations.


I found a little more:
Lily's post (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537503&postcount=72) about The Might doesn't look like something about a Wolf partner. It is more like "trying too hard" to look helpful to me.
The Might rises higher on my Innocent list.

Aganzir suspects Lily quite strongly here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537537&postcount=99). Again, I don't feel a Wolf partner would have done that to a friend so early. I seem to recall that this is the strongest suspicion on Lily on Day1. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Aganzir stayes high and Innocent.


I have very little clue of who might be the fourth Wolf if I'm right about Sally and morm. Probably not Fea. I'd say Menel or Farael, but I'll not get too certain about it.

It's late and I should go to sleep. Xd with everything since #285.

I can't see any effort in that post what so ever. At that point the only use of such Wolf is to cause confusion. It may have been a wolf-on-wolf but just as equally it might have been a wolf-on-innocent (Except that I know that it was wolf-on-innocent.).
I'm not saying that they look Innocent because they voted for Lily. Sure thing Wolves vote Wolves, but I just suspected the other players more.

I nearly totally, because they are pretty impossible to organise in advance, because it needs the whole village's co-operation. Though if I there is a chance of lynching both morm and Sally, I'd take it.

To me you are making no sense now. I with such a serious suspicion I'd dig out a fellow Wolf and lynch her instead of an (would-be-)Innocent Sally (or morm, but Sally was more lynchable.). At the end of the Day changing the tide to get Sally lynched would probably been possible.


Farael looks much more Innocent to me now that I've gone through his posts. He has talked general sense as well as accusing in a way that doesn't look Wolf-like in the least - I'm referring to his suspicion about Lommy. It generates genuinly and seems to fall back genuinly.

About Menel I can't form a clear idea. He at the same time stays with the flow and tosses in wild conspiracy theories. I don't like either of these a lot. He does manage to make his words look more Innocent than Wolf.


Innocent:
Lommy
Farael
Aganzir

Innocentish:
Might
Fea
Kuru

Unsure:
Menel
Mac
Brinn
Kath
Shasta

Wolf:
Sally
morm

A long defencive post from the beginning of Day3 to post #371 because I don't find any good points about me, sorry. It holds nearly all posts that include my name, missing only a part of Farael’s post and Mac’s vote – I think. I will cross-post with everything since #371.



Why would have I killed my main suspects of Day1 were I a Wolf? Valier would have been a good Day2 lynch. Legate I trusted fully on Day2, why would I have killed a supporter like that?

Like I’ve said there was no effort at all in Lily’s vote, she was already dead by then and knew that I wouldn’t be lynched. She could have voted anybody at all.








1. A Wolf may PM during the Night, and they frequently do so. It is a great chance to tell fellow Wolves how to play in certain situations. Did she have valid arguments for anybody else I wonder?
2. Why would a Wolf pursue a fellow Wolf already on Day2 and kill her when she is quite safe and excited about the game?





I totally agree, by the way. I’m pretty easy with Menel also at this moment.



We both know her from RL and would want to help her with her first game. I still don’t see what her vote for me has to do with anything.

Would you please give reasons. Yes, and I dare to ask for reasons now.

I have been protective of morm??



Brinniel's whole post #329. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538047&postcount=329)
I have already answers a similar thing. And anyway, what kind of reasoning is that, the ones who vote for the Wolves are probably also Wolves? Wolves win by voting Innocents, not their partners.

Brinn's whole post #330. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538048&postcount=330)
That’s more about Menel and here I actually agree with Brinn at places. The problem is that you look like grasping at straws.



Yes, I agree. I thought they looked good because of different reasons, not their votes.

Aganzir's post #349. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538076&postcount=349)

Now this is a good thing to say for a Wolf. If Volo isn’t a Wolf, Menel probably isn’t either. Your gut feelings are non better.

Kuru's post #355. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538086&postcount=355)

Menel's post #356. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538089&postcount=356)Although this is a bit wierdly formed post, I think it will show much about Menel if we know what morm is.





If Menel is found Innocent and morm’s still around, I’d lynch him straight away.



Morm's post #369. (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538111&postcount=369)This is an alarming post to me. Morm has been suspecting me the whole long time just because of his gut?? And only a while ago when he was asked to why he suspected me he told something about his suspicion – and that was stuff other players said before him. In the end he changes the topic away from why he suspects me to Kuru being suspicious.

Exactly!

Well, I don’t see many valid points about me…

++mormegil

No.

Lommy, your mammoth-theory looks interesting, but it'll take time to explore the stuff, so I won't give any thoughts on that for now. What scares me is that you put morm, Sally and Fea as Wolves into the very first post of Day3 (as you Xd with Farael) and now added the Day3 stuff to your analysis. I'll have to dig into it.

Of course no! Please, read what I said more carefully. I said that a Wolves may vote Wolves, but it makes no sense for them to sacrifice a member of their secret organsition by giving the first reasons of why he/she should be lynched and generally taking him/her from the "flying over the radar" -state.

If it is clear that a Wolf is suspected and/or there is a good possibility that he/she will be lynched it makes a lot of sense to vote for your partner. Like the votes for Lily.

If a Wolf partner is staying low and it's in a big fuss, then it makes little sense to make her your main suspect and try to convince others of his/her guilt. Such a sacrifice comes with a great prize, and I really doubt Lily wanted to be lynched out of her first game on Day2.

I don't know what you think, but to me what I said makes great sense.


On Day3 the first discussion was about why Valier was killed.

In post #150 Aganzir shows slight suspicion about Lily.

In the next post Lommy shows slight suspicion about Lily (Xing with Aganzir.)

Next post where Lily is suspected is Lommy's #187.

But I was the first to really call her a Wolf (and I Xd with Lommy's #187) in #193.

So I take some pride in getting Lily lynched.

Xd with everything since Brinniel's post to which I refer.

Not after this post.

Oh, come on, somebody lynch morm, he doesn't make sense and is a Wolf. Although Sally is also a Wolf.

It's all in my posts, it's all in my posts.

My angst yesterDay after the bloodshed:
I wish I was dead. :( Or at least less influential, my old cobbler self to whom people didn't listen... (Cruel that I was a Cobbler last game.)
YesterDay was surely something I didn't await for and now I'm completely lost. Oh, morm, why didn't you tell us...
Now we should resolve that we won't double lynch ever unless the Seer tells us to.
I trust noone, myself the least...
Most suspicious: Menel, Might, Lommy, Brinn.

Ok, that was history and little attention should be given it.

I'd like to say a few words about Rangers:
Morm should have told us his role yesterDay. A lynched Ranger is one of the worst possible scenarios (only the lynching the Seer being worse).
I wouldn't have voted a person who declared himself the Ranger:
1. The person will probably be killed next Night (but that's better than lynching him).
2. The isn't killed during the Night, because the Wolves want to bluff and make us think that the person isn't the Ranger or the person wants to bluff and isn't the Ranger. I don't see any harm done this way. We don't lynch "the Ranger" unless another Ranger comes to claim the role or the real Ranger dies (or is Dreamed of). If a compeditor appeared we'd know that one of them is a Wolf - then we have to decide.


A few words about our Seer:
Read post #317 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538028&postcount=317). It gives the feel that her Day3 dream was morm.
The other dreams can be Brinn, Might and/or Menel. I'm not decided which they could be.


I'm in the middle of a post-to-post analysis of Day3, but I'll tell a few things I have found:
I get a feeling that Kuru is trying to steer the discussiong away (using the talk-effect or whatever it was called) both in #297 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537997&postcount=297) and #300 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538000&postcount=300). What do you think?

Another - and the more important - is:
This has been mentioned before, but I find Menel's post #238 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537828&postcount=238) leaning suspicious.

Ah, I'll try to get my thoughts more organised now, get the whole post-to-post analysis over and look at Kath's posts.

The feeling before Kath's death, Aganzir being least suspicious and Menel being the most suspicious.
Aganzir
Thinlómien
Farael
Shastanis Althreduin
Macalaure
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kuruharan
Brinniel
The Might
Meneltarmacil

Xd with everything since #435.

The first is what I felt straight after morm's and sally's deaths.
The second from just before toDay started. It still doesn't mean that I'll go far enough to trust anybody, except maybe Legate, but he's dead.

Because I'm annoyed? (Nothing personal at all morm, I just don't understand why you decided to keep it a secret through that situation...) Oh... I mean, have I done that before?

I agree! It wouldn't only be interesting, but also useful - probably.

I think this means that she did dream about Brinn, and now this makes more sense to me. On Night1 she Dreamed of morm, as morm is a dangerous player. On Night2 she Dreamed of Brinn and found that she's Innocent.
The way she says "unless Brinniel turns out to be a wolf I doubt morm is one" I understand it that both players are of the same side. But then why would she put Brinn into the suspicious list, it feels like a contradiction to me and makes it impossible to find out whom she Dreamed of.

If he's a Wolf, he's doing splendidly. But his last posts are indeed giving a genuine feel and I wouldn't accuse him too much because of the double-lynch. I admit that I'd have done that and Lommy seems to admit it too, don't you?
I do suspect him, but the double-lynch, as nasty as it was, doesn't tell us much about him. I'm talking nonsense - sometimes Might feels just so so Wolf-like, but so did Sally and there's a lot of similarities in their behavior. :/

I suspect Menel much more. And this - - looks like she Dreamed about Menel, on Night3 - probably. So forget what I said in my preveous post about morm being Dreamed of on Night3.


I really really hope that these people will speak up:
Shastanis Althreduin
Macalaure
Feanor of the Peredhil
Kuruharan


EDIT Xd with Aganzir

Ha! Well found! I agree, although the part about Brinn still doesn't make sense to me.

Ok, I'll try to leave now - sorry for being confusing and changing my opinion often.

Volo suddenly goes very defencive... of Might.

Innocents appologise just as often as the Wolves do, if not even more often.
I thought about what the Wolves win by causing a double-lynch like that and putting one of their own into such a position. They couldn't know morm was the Ranger, so I think that the deal would not be a good one for the Wolves.

Now it looks like Sally's actions, and since I was so wrong with those, I wouldn't want to lynch another Innocent newbie for the same reasons.
The part about fellow mates giving advice seems to be a key point. Might's style of play didn't change a little bit from yesterDay to toDay, and I'm sure that if there was discussion between him and fellow Wolves, then he'd change his style and inevitably play "better".


Now I think that Kath Dreamed of Innocent Lommy and morm, as Aganzir mentioned in #449 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538278&postcount=449).
And Wolf Menel, like I mentioned in post #450.


I find one thing Mac said very disturbing:
At first I thought that Brinn said that comment - and I'd have regarded it a reason to lynch her outright. Now in Mac's case I can't find an explanation to this being suspicious as Mac hasn't had Wolves as his main suspects (if Might isn't one). But to say something like that makes me feel that the Wolves discussed about at least one of them attacking the fellow Wolves strongly - if Mac is a Wolf, and he could be a flying-over-the-radar Wolf (which is wierd as it's Mac we're talking about). Do you think this is too far-fetched?


I have another question, about our wandering Dwarf friend Kuru. Anybody who's played with him before: Is he always so undecided? He seems like being aware of all the stuff happening here, but there is barely a post in which he's sure of what he's talking. I mean he talks a lot and gives his opinion about most things going around, but he nearly always puts a "but...", "on the other hand...", "looks too easy..." after his point and dissolves it by saying the very opposite. One can't be sure whom he suspects, and one can't even see what he thinks about people. Mostly he follows other people's trails and sweeps them around.


I'm late for a meeting, again.

Aganzir, well found. I think it points more to Brinn's guilt than Might's. Just because it could be a bluff.

The thing most suspicious with Brinn is how she - to some extent - sided with morm.


I'm still at a meeting though it's turned a bit lazy, lucky that it's at an internet cafe.
I dislike such decisions like what has been made (voting or "voting" early.), but I must admit that I don't have much to add right now...

Problem was that I was too certain that sally and morm are Wolves and I was annoyed for being accused wrongly - which was a bit stupid from my part as I make mistakes myself too when accusing somebody.

I didn't direct that part at this game, and I appologise for bringing a completely new "useless" topic so late in the game, but I feel stupid for lynching a Ranger. To me it was pretty certain that he'd be lynched, which is my fault - concentrating on just a few at a time. And it's just much too risky for a Wolf to claim the role of the Ranger. But let's discuss this after the game.

Suspicious, vote for the person whom you suspect, especially at this stage (generally). Could be a bluff.

The problem with suspecting Menel is at this moment is that nearly everybody seems to suspect him, which is very odd if he's a Wolf.
But I'm quite convinced that Kath Dreamed of him.


Good points, changing our decisions at this time will lead to too quick decisions. I don't deny that they could be the right decisions. As I'm a bit afraid of having both Might and Menel cornered so completely. And I think you people should drop that "explain this, explain that", "start playing better" -stuff.


As from now to the deadline I can fully concentrate on WW, I'll do that. I'm not too happy with lynching Brinn, but I'll look at what has been pointed about her actions by Aganzir and Lommy.

EDIT: Xd with Farael, twice.

This is a bad topic so late, but I'm returning to what Kath said.
What I underlined pretty clearly says that she hadn't Dreamed of Brinn.
Might is a bit suspicious here, but I'll explain again why I think he hasn't been Dreamed of:
Here Menel comes as a new character into Kath's posts. That means that her suspicion on him either started on Day3 or Night3. The fact that she can't explain it and he doesn't fit right to her looks the best hint I can find. This differs from her other suspects, as there she says that she's unsure, not that she can't explain it. I won't bet my head on this, as it might be like Fea said, that Kath hadn't put hints in her posts, but the fact that Kath didn't post many posts makes me feel that she put a lot of effort into the posts she did post - adding hints.


EDIT: Xd with Brinn and Lommy.

Oh, no I hadn't agreed, I just said that I'd look at what she's saying, that's different. I'm growing more suspicious of Kuru.

Explain, please, I don't think I understood you.

I think it is a horrible idea to try to find new suspects at this point of the Day!

EDIT: Xd with Mac.

Tommorow, I think it would do good to inspect people from the "talk-effect" side. Who have been the ones to move the discussion into something we pretty much know is futile and bad for that moment.

I don't think I'll have the time to analyse Brinn toDay.

I skimmed through Brinn with a thought and I couldn't find the feel of her being a Wolf. I think she's Innocent. All that she has said has been said with too little flaws for a Wolf - the flaws that Wolves make. From the glance I couldn't find any special reactions to other people that would indicate fellow Wolves. That means:

++Menel

I have one more point to make toDay.


Xd with everything since my previous post.

I highly suspect Mac, very highly! And I ask you to read this post and think about it during the Night!

1. He has never, never felt like this to me. He has felt more present before.

2. I get the feeling that he concentrates on me most of the time, but is undecisive.

3. He is wrong with what he mostly says, or so I feel:



I get the feeling that he carefully divided us into these groups, as the possible Wolves seem to lie too neatly. Lily was the partner whom he decided to suspect, look at the way he voted her.
Menel he has always found innocent, which I recall wierd:

Here's an example, while I find Menel very suspicious because of this very thing, Mac doesn't.

Here the same as before. And I don't like these "suspicious based only on factor X", it doesn't give the whole picture and Mac's real opinion. Seems a good trick for a Wolf.


This was said very hurriedly because the deadline is drawing, but I'll look into this and explain better tomorrow. I hope you will think about this too!


Xd with everything since my preveous post.

If Menel is a Wolf, I'll be quite sure that Mac is also one.

She can "play" via telephone with Noggie

Bah, I have to leave now, and I don't think it's legal to go back and edit after someone has posted after me. :/

[Farael]

Ok, who in Sauron's name came up with the brilliant idea of quoting every single post made by another player? honestly, I'm starting to think it a plausible wolf strategy, as it looks REALLY helpful, but it only takes about two minutes worth of the Search function and copy-paste.

Something to chew on

[Brinniel]

Shasta, why quote every post Volo has ever written without any comments from yourself? At least explain why you're doing it because my goodness that is a long post with no new information...

[Macalaure]

Shasta, you have got to be kidding us! :eek:

I second Farael. You're not the first who did it, but I hope you're the last. It looks far more helpful than it is, and it's simply too huge to be even readable. If you really need the posts for reference, link to them.

And did you just say edit?

[Brinniel]

Ack, can you stop editing, Shasta? I really don't want to keep going back through that unbelievably huge post to look at new comments you keep editing in, which I can see you're doing right now. If you've got commentary, please put it in a new post!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*sigh*

I knew I probably wasn't cut out for this style of play, and this seems to only clinch it.

I'm sorry. I'll shut up.

[Brinniel]

I'm sorry. I'll shut up.
No, don't shut up. We'd rather hear from you.

Just don't go back and edit posts you've already made.

[Macalaure]

Don't shut up, please. :)

This "style of play", if there is one, is rather easy, actually. Basically, you just read through the thread, note down whatever comes to your mind, and post it with some conclusions. But don't re-post the whole posts. And editing is against the rules.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm merely going to proceed under the assumption that over that overly long Night we just had, more people than just me have realized that if the wolves pull off a double-ordo lynch today, they win.

The thing that worries me most about today is the end-of-day. I'm worried that everyone will hold their posts until last minute to make sure the wolves don't have the last word. Which means that there's probably going to be a mad lot of cross posting.

I don't have time right now to posit ways to solve what looks to me like a very dangerous end-of-day situation.

I'll try to come up with options while I do work-things.

Gotta go.

[Nogrod]

Just don't go back and edit posts you've already made.Exactly.

You may quote - and not only link - a bunch of stuff when it looks like there's a point to it, which is that you have something to say or point yourself.

But editing posts afterwards (a long time afterwards ie. not regarding immediate X'ing with someone, bolding, underlining etc. corrections) is both banned and also unwise as very few people will come back to your post looking at a possible change there... Just think of it yourself: would you check anyone's post #113 just to be sure it has not been edited?

[Farael]

Well, having read some of Shasta's (illegaly edited :p) comments she does not look THAT horribly wolfish... still, something to keep an eye on. Fea does bring up a good point... better to have voting spread out and not all crumpled together at the end of the Day.

Having said that, nothing new has developed since the beginning of the day, other than that ugly looooong post.... Fea seems to be busy once again, and while I would not hold "being busy" against her, it has happened before that a wolf won 'cos of RL issues kept him/her away from the game. At this moment she and Shasta are tied for a "third wolf" place.

[Kuruharan]

A comment on today's action so far:

I think that Shasta doing something so noticable at this juncture seems to indicate more toward innocence than guilt. To me it seems unlikely that a wolf would do something like that to draw attention at this stage in events.

I'm afraid that it will be impossible for me to be around much tomorrow until a couple hours before the deadline. :(

[Brinniel]

Ugh, I really don't like how quiet it's been here. I needed to take a better look at Fea, so I did. Here's some highlights:

Hmmm...I'm curious to see what will happen, so I'll go ahead and do it:

++ The Might

for being so out of the ordinary.
What!?!??!

Okay, my immediate thoughts about this are:

I remember, I think, voting for myself when I was a wolf. Bluffing, as it were. Being suicidal as a way to throw people off. "No wolf would sacrifice herself!" If my memory is false, I know a true memory was me saying "I'm a wolf. Lynch me." and being truthful in that statement.

In any case, it was a bluff tactic.

Next thought: Voting for yourself is a ballsy thing to do in terms of personal education and education for the group.

What happens is, whether or not you live, the village is handed the perfect setup to study the bandwagon approach. It's REALLY easy for any wolf (or any innocent) to say "He's obviously a bluffing wolf and even if he's not, his insanity is dangerous to the village!" and start the voting.

From there, everybody can see who says and does what. Voting for yourself/declaring yourself as something is an excellent way (I've used it in the past) of gaging what's going on.

My hat's off to you, The Might, for taking initiative and giving the village some controversy to work with.

Here's how I'm going to react to The Might's suicide vote:

I'm going to ask people to make public what they think about it. Tell us how you feel about such a thing occurring. What's your opinion of day one suicide votes?

I happen to think he's innocent and going for the "Let's see whether or not people take advantage so we can study it later" approach. Only I'm stupid enough to do something like actually be guilty and admit it day one. I think.

Some thoughts: If she and Might are wolves, this would be a very strategic move. Write down some possibilities why he voted for himself, ask everyone else for input on the matter, then conclude he's probably innocent...but still look uncertain.

Thing is, I really don't think morm would kill Valier. It makes a lot more sense that the wolves are trying to frame him. I know he'd sacrifice himself for a cause (he's done it before), but it just seems so outright stupid for a morm-wolf to kill a villager in the night who seemed to have dreamt about him. Except that it's such a transparent set up that I can't help but think maybe the wolves aren't really trying to frame him, they're just trying to make it look like they are?

In any case, I'm leaning toward morm's innocence. I just don't think he'd have killed Val, especially if she'd dreamt of him. It's just too self-incriminating.
I think it's most likely that the wolves were split between accusing morm and thinking he's innocent. So the fact that Fea was right about him doesn't mean anything.

Thinlómien - helpful, nice, happy, etcetera. My question about Lommy: when you jumped in to post that Valier's death looks like morm's guilt, did you believe it, or were you just being the first one to publicly admit to the possibility?

Legate of Amon Lanc - no particular feelings of interest.

Aganzir - furry? I don't know. I don't like his accusation of Lommy and I feel like I missed something between Ag and Legate, because 'that's definitely not how it works at us'... It's the 'at us.' Is it just a grammar slip? The meaning of the sentence is lost on me.

Meneltarmacil - Eh.

Volo - I had suspicions last night, but I forgot them before this morning. At some point I'll go back and try to figure out what it was that worried me about Volo.

Macalaure - shrug.

The Might - I think the suicide vote points to TM's innocence. I haven't changed my mind.

Mormegil - innocent. Or I'll be forced to lynch him day one every game in our future for so completely pulling one over on me.

Brinniel - systematic. I feel like if I could take notes the same way she does, I'd get higher than a C in my Neoclassical/Romantic English Lit class this term... No particular feelings. I'd like to keep her around, even if just because she simplifies my life by taking useful notes.

Satansaloser2005 - shrug

Farael – shrug

A Little Green - definitely new. No denying the "what? I'm so confused, please pity me" is over-doing it a bit. A lot. I have to admit, she's a likely vote for me today.

Kath – I know I should be terrified of you, but I'm not. Why? What are you doing differently? What am I doing differently? There's something wrong here! Just to be clear: I feel like I should be suspicious because I'm always suspicious of Kath just like (and because of the same game) how I'm suspicious all the time of morm. Just to be very clear: I really have no leanings on Kath. I'd like to see more posts from her, though.

Shastanis Althreduin – Is it bad that I don't even remember seeing any posts by Shasta?

Kuruharan - On an existential level, Kuru, where are you? I miss you. Come back soon. I don't know what to do when I'm not being thwacked. Oh, for the village: I want to see a lot more length out of Kuru in the next few days.

Thoughts: She seems very vague with a lot of her analysis...not sure what to think about that. If she happens to be a wolf, I'm think one of the people (aside from Green) she didn't simply shrug at may also be a wolf.

++GREEN

Because I have to leave and won't be back before deadline.

Because the person I voted for yesterday has since stopped looking worrisome to me.

Because of all the players I could choose, especially four hours before deadline, Green is the one who seems both wolfish-and-confusing.

She fits into both of my preferences for who to vote for: her actions make me think she's guilty ("What? Me? How could I be guilty, I barely even know who mormegil is!") and other people seem to agree with my instincts on this one (which means it's not necessarily me just making things up).
Okay, I won't take into account the fact she said she had to leave...because if you have to leave, that can't be helped. But still, I don't find it unlikely that a Fea wolf wouldn't hesitate to vote for a fellow wolf. Since she was the first to vote Green that vote was very safe.


For the time being, I still think Sally is just awfully suspicious and that we should lynch her
I can't help but agree. A great deal because of this post:

Perhaps we shall see my friend, perhaps we shall see.

No totally kidding. I just meant that no matter WHO got lynched, regardless of whether it was me or someone else, lynching more than one person was a bad plan. Sorry for the confusion. Or am I?
Really, it strikes me as odd that an innocent this far into the game would intentionally create chaos like this.

Jumping on the bandwagon with Farael here...

++Sally

I feel like the regression back into 'normalcy' was more like a flinch. I still don't know what to think of her earlier "Am I a wolf? Am I not a wolf? Lalala." It's gutsy/stupid for a wolf and irresponsible/stupid for an innocent. Either way, not the sort of likely action I'm comfortable keeping around. I wish I had time to stick around and analyze/watch/etcetera. But I'm not really sure of my suspicions right now. I'm comfortable lynching Sal and hoping she's lupine. Even if she's not, I'd say the village is probably better off without the chaos (I know, this coming from me!).
Was the second to vote for Sally. A fairly safe vote, but still keep a double lynch in the running (though there was probably no way to avoid that at the time).

The Might, what's wrong with you?! (I know it's been said already. I just kind of needed to get that off my chest, since it was my reaction to yesterday and this is my first chance to say it.)
If they're both wolves, this little comment could be made to throw us off. After all, as wolves they would've had plenty of time to talk during the Night.

++Menel

I refuse to see another multiple lynch if I can help it. Though I'd really rather vote for TM. I have no desire to be held responsible for upping other-party vote counts ten minutes before deadline.
At this point of voting, Menel was in the lead by two and majority of people who hadn't voted said they were going to vote for him. So a double lynch wasn't looking likely. Seems more like an excuse to make a safe vote.

[Brinniel]

Some final thoughts before I turn in:

It might be suspicious that I'm going to drop all my suspicions against Volo now, since he just started to suspect me, but the way he bases so much of his points against me on the wolfdom of Menel it is rather obvious that he didn't know Menel's role - because of the time he posted them (he would have known that much of his points were obsolete after Menel's death).
I do agree that a wolfish Volo wouldn't say this about an innocent Mac. Since Mac doesn't worry me as much as others, this makes Volo less suspicious. Of course, if Mac and Volo were teamed as wolves, this could make a great cover-up. I don't know...I still want to hear from Volo, who hasn't said anything yet toDay.

Only three people did not vote for Menel. Only one of these people have been proven innocent. The other two are Farael and Aganzir. Could a wolf be among these two? Possibly. Farael was the first to vote and his vote for Might was very safe, even if it was wolf-on-wolf. By voting for me, Aganzir brought a third candidate into the picture. I don't know how likely it was for others to pick up with that vote, but surely Aganzir thought it was possible otherwise she wouldn't have made a throwaway vote. If it was, her vote meant there were an even amount of people left potentially voting for either Might or Menel. Which means she was increasing the potential for another double lynch. There might be a wolf among these two, but I doubt both of them are.

I think that Shasta doing something so noticable at this juncture seems to indicate more toward innocence than guilt. To me it seems unlikely that a wolf would do something like that to draw attention at this stage in events.
I agree. I doubt a wolfish Shasta would act so confused like that. On one hand, his lengthy post full of only quotes (posted after people complained he was too quiet) looks a bit fishy. But the fact he unintentionally broke the rules and then seemed genuinely upset that others were criticising him for what he did makes him less suspicious.

We still haven't heard from Might yet toDay. I thought he'd be here defending himself by now...

A comment about the possibility of a double lynch: It's a very tricky situation. The wolves can easily manipulate the voting so it happens...if all innocents have already voted, they don't even need to hide anymore. But it can be avoided if we're careful. Two possibilities:

1) There are nine of us, right? So if we only keep two candidates in the running, a double lynch is impossible. If someone even tries to bring in a third, I would look at them carefully.

2) If all of us unanimously decide to vote for one person. That may be less likely for everyone to agree, plus we'll have less to look at on votes toMorrow, but at least it'd certainly avoid a double lynch.

Right now I'm most worried about:
Might
Fea
Aganzir
Kuru
Farael

Okay, I really wish that list was shorter. But I'm hoping 3/5 of those are wolves...

I'm going to bed now. I'll be back tomorrow.

[Volo]

It has been said before, but I'll repeat it anyway:
The Wolves might be getting bold and trying to move the discussion into certain directions more openly, so trust noone except yourself. However this doesn't mean that you shouldn't agree with other players - agreeing is the key to survival, because while the Innocents can't agree, the Wolves can.
I hope this is clear. If not, ask me and I'll explain.


I'm both very sad that Lommy died, and very relieved, because I was getting somewhat paranoid about her. I think both her's and Menel's innocence looks good on Brinn and Mac.

There are three into whose position I could put myself: Brinn, Mac and Farael. In Mac's case his style still looks a bit odd to me compared to the earlier games with him, but on the whole I can imagine myself trying to play like they do.

The person I find the least suspicious is Farael, his posts against Kuru yesterDay look genuine. I'm glad he's not becoming the second Menel.

Kuru's reaction on the other hand, doesn't. Neither do I think that Kuru's actions are too obvious for a Wolf. I agree with Brinn, that Kuru was provoking Farael and causing general chaos.
Otherwise I don't know if this reserved style is typical of Kuru, in any case I don't like it as it - like Lommy said - a Wolf's style: A style in which it is easy to change your words later, but dangerous when Innocent, because - like Fea said - it makes Kuru a perfect target for the Wolves at Night.

Apart from Kuru I am suspicious of Shasta and Aganzir, so far mostly because I'm less suspicious of others. I'll try to look at these two.

Fea. As much as I disapprove of Fea's style - although I'm inclined to believe it's because of her having too little time (Or am I? I do believe you have a lot of work, but your style overall would probably be the same if you had loads of time.) - I feel that she's Innocent. I can't see any suspicious interractions between Fea and anybody else and I do believe that Fea would play differently were she Wolf. Maybe my eyes are just too innocent...

The Might... He's like Menel - much too obvious, it seems. I don't believe anything can be clearly decided about him anymore. He either is a Wolf or isn't. I hope he's not, because I don't want to bother myself with that anymore. What I do think is that too much pressure has been put on him - bullying newbies to get something smart out of them is not a good idea.


I made an elaborate vote-chart, but I couldn't find anything new from it - except something to do with Lommy, but since she's dead, I dont this it matters.
Although I don't like Fea's and Kuru's votes. Fea has noticed the ongoing trend early and voted by it. Kuru was away on a very critical Day, and it's a great pity.


Next I'm going to study some lorebooks about the history of the Shrewthwackers and the Briarpatches.

[Volo]

To say the truth, I'm not sure if Fea's absense is a bad thing - first time I played with her (SPM's game) she was equally confusing, but louder. :rolleyes:

Since morm is probably the person who knows Fea and Kuru the best - well, he's even bragged about it - I'm going through what he said about them. Don't worry, I'm not putting blind trust into his words, as he too happens to be wrong at times.

Fea:
Morm says that Fea is not playing like she usually is, but doesn't suspect her otherwise.

Kuru:
Morm highly suspects Kuru, along me and Menel. His points against Kuru are mainly based on Kuru's accusations against morm. Morm thinks that Kuru isn't playing as well as he should. Understandable as Kuru is very quick to accuse morm, already in his first post on Day3. He does his share keeping morm in the spotlight through the whole Day, notably #268 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537965&postcount=268), #297 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=537997&postcount=297) and #355 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=538086&postcount=355). But then he actually votes Sally...


By the way, I noticed that Shasta, Lily and Kuru haven't really mentioned eachother.

[Volo]

Aganzir, Kuru and Shasta haven't really mentioned eachother.

Last time Aganzir was a Wolf, she was one of the best Wolves I ever played against.

That might be our Wolf-trio, but I suspect Kuru the most.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Next I'm going to study some lorebooks about the history of the Shrewthwackers and the Briarpatches.

Oh, and what a long and illustrious history it was...

You see, my many-greats grandmammy was a bit of an umbrella carrying old wench, if you follow me, out to cause trouble in the most Innocent of ways.

And His many-greats grandpappy was an oozing canker sore if I ever saw one, full of sharp teeth, claws, and midnight mayhem whilst good and honest folk slept.

The village fought for its very souls (okay, lives) against the threat and came down to only three... Our ancestors and the illustrious (but misguided; probably by my own absolute suspicious-lookingness) ancestor of one 'Oddwen.' I voted for his grandsire. He voted for the umbrella toting snipe. Mistress Oddwenivere was swayed by his very strong logic against my grandmama and she, umbrella and all, died a most painful death.

Our families have feuded on principle ever since.

If you're going for historical playing styles, the words 'melodramatic,' 'chaotic,' 'long-winded,' 'whimsical,' and 'effective' come to mind.

That might be our Wolf-trio, but I suspect Kuru the most.

Based on the feud I've just outlined, I always suspect Kuru the most. I never know where his allegiances lie until the last day, if then.

More appropriately to this game, I really don't like how quiet and weird he was the first day or two. The one-liners. I pointed out that he's brilliant wolf-bait for that. Because he left very little to go on. And then the weird volleyball session yesterday ("You're a wolf!" "You're just saying that because you're a wolf!" "Am not." "Are too."). I know he's gutsy and I know he's intelligent. I know he thinks he's not necessarily cut out to be a wolf, but even with doubts, he's good at it. I would not put it past him to spend a village-lifetime drawing suspicion toward himself, banking on the fact that nobody will believe a wolf would be that stupid. It's something any of us (Kuru, me, morm) would/would have done.

Quite frankly, I'm probably going to vote for him guiltlessly. Yeah, I try not to let the feud sway me too much, but he gave me ammunition and there are THREE WOLVES running around. Anybody we choose has a reasonably high chance of being lupine. Still, my decision to vote Kuru isn't final. Basically for the explicit reason that if the village has one person in mind, I don't want to spread votes and give the three wolves a golden opportunity to lynch a spare if I'm wrong. Though if I'm right and Kuru's a wolf, they won't pile votes on him...

Ack.

I need breakfast. I'll be back later.

[Macalaure]

Kuruharan

Day One
A lot of one-liners. Very carefully suspects some people to be good or evil. Doesn't know what to think of TM's self-vote. Argues a little with Lommy and would prefer her over Nerwen (both innocent). Votes Nerwen to avoid double lynch. "If Nerwen is innocent, look at Thinlómien"
-His Day One point more towards guilty than innocent, I have to say.

His general behavior around double lynches is suspicious. Yes, they are bad, but:
-He spends most of his close-to-deadline time talking about them and how bad they are.
-He makes the village focus on a few candidates, all of them (except TM) known to be innocent by now. This way he keeps new and possibly guilty names off the list.
-He often points out how uncomfortable he is with the given candidates, which leaves an impression of false tears.

Not there on Day Two.

Day Three.
Goes after morm, then forgets about but takes it up again later. I'm not sure what to think about it. Points out Sally's strangeness, but no more, which keeps her in the spotlight and him outside of it if she gets lynched. Wants to explore options while dissuading people to take them. Mentions issues with TM.
-His treatment of Sally is extremely suspicious. I'm not sure what to do with his treatment of morm.

Day Four.
Starts the day with suspicions against TM, Menel, and Lommy (urges TM to explain himself). Goes after TM and Menel equally, but clearly favors Menel, and the way he does looks fake (470). "If you're (TM) innocent, like you say you are that would be the worst thing you could do." - and that after he urged him to explain himself before. Observe he doesn't say "This makes him suspicious", but "This is not good if you're innocent". Another fit of near-deadline angst gets Farael onto him. I can understand Kuru's reaction, I would have reacted the same.
-The interaction with TM is definitely suspicious.

Well, even though he doesn't scream wolf, I haven't really found anything that made me feel better of him. Right now, I think he's the second wolf next to the Might.

[Macalaure]

Feanor of the Peredhil

Day One.
Unwilling to do anything. 2.5 hours before the deadline, she asks everybody to give a statement about the Might. This might have been an attempt to keep the village from discussing more important things, maybe an attempt to make everybody focus on TM while standing in the background herself. Votes morm for no reason.
-Slippery.

Day Two.
Thinks Valier basically was killed because she was suspected to be the seer, with a frame of morm as a bonus. Backs away from morm then. Starts a bad tradition with putting all about Valier in one post. Makes a suspect overview that points into no direction. Votes Lily with the first vote.
-An innocentish vote. Doesn't attack morm. But something leaves me uneasy.

Day Three.
Says we should be careful about what Legate said. Assumes it will lead us the wrong way. Is suspicious of Sally. Votes her.
-She gave really little input that day, which worries me. She first gives out a sensible comment about Legate, then looks no further for suspects than Sally.

Day Four.
Thinks they thought Kath to be the seer. Thinks she dreamt about morm. Wonders what's wrong with TM. Comes back very late and votes for the most convenient candidate.

What worries me about her is that, apart from saying very little over the past two days, her most interesting inputs mostly are within her first post of the day. There's a lot less later. This could point towards nightly activities. Except one post on day two, she has a very narrow way to look for wolves.
Other than that - I don't know. I really need to hear more from her, otherwise she'll be a top candidate for me tomorrow.

[Kuruharan]

I've unfortunately had a family situation come up and I'm not going to be back today.

++ Farael

He reacted waaaay to strongly to one mention of his name yesterDAY and then went totally silent. Very wolfish if you ask me.

I apologize for this, circumstances beyond my control.

[Macalaure]

Farael

Misses Day One.

Day Two.
Attacks Lommy for her observation of Valier. Elaborate and completely wrong theory of Rikae. Doesn't go after morm, even defends him. Wants us to look at Brinniel if Rikae is innocent. Screws up his vote. Suspects Sally and would like to change his vote, slightly defends Lily. Also suspects Lommy and Brinniel.
-The theory against Rikae looks genuine. His appearance seems honest.

Day Three.
Goes away from Brinn, suspects Lommy more. Presents a weird theory about her. From then on pursues Sally with vigor.
-The way he suddenly goes after Sally without looking left or right is quite worrisome.

Day Four.
Takes a look at the voting. Votes TM even though he suspects Menel more. Argues nobody looks too wolvish to be a wolf. Suddenly goes after Kuru with little initial provocation.
-Farael and TM aren't both wolves, neither is he and Kuru.

It's worrisome how Farael always votes extremely early and still is around later. I'm not sure what to do with him. Nothing really screams wolf, nothing really screams innocent, much is strange. I agree with his main suspects, so I'm not suspicious of him at the moment. Depending on the roles of Kuru and TM, that's subject to change.

[Volo]

-Farael and TM aren't both wolves, neither is he and Kuru.
In a way you're suggesting to find out what Farael is...

I've done what Kuru doesn't approve of, read skimmed through his two preveous perfermences. One was Wolf, the other Innocent. His current form is neither. The present Kuru is twice as grim and undecive as the two past Kuru's together.

Should have trusted Fea with this, I suppose. Although I'm becoming old myself and the though "The best Fea is the dead Fea." is disturbing my mind. She's pretty much going with the tide and truly is like The Might - anything.

What is the most unpleasant is the absense of nearly everybody, especially Aganzir - which was explained pretty well.

I'm inclined to put Mac higher on my trust line. No Wolf could bother to be around now if he/she was in a place like Mac's.

[Farael]

Well, I am torn. On one hand, The Might is still the most suspicious player left alive and so he should be lynched. However, he is not a "dangerous" wolf. I highly doubt that he'll be able to manipulate the village. On the other hand, Kuruharan is much more dangerous, and yet I am getting paranoid and I get the feeling I'm being set up.

You see, there have been a few comments saying "Farael and Kuruharan can't both be wolves, but one of them is".

However, there are two things compelling me strongly for voting for Kuruharan. First of all, Brinniel I believe noted, very wisely, that the best way to avoid a multiple lynch is to have only two people in the running.

Kuruharan voted for me, without an explanation and even if he truly IS busy today, it does not look good at all. Furthermore, his explanation that I "reacted too strongly" is circumstantial at best, while other people have made far better points against me. And while I am an innocent, there's no denying that I've been unlucky with my suspicions and a (weak I think) case could be made of it. Kuru focuses only in one instance.

He has been playing his own game all along and I think I need to break from my previous style. So far I've been voting the "absolutely most suspicious" types and not the "suspicious and potentialy manipulative" types. I still think The Might is a wolf, but I'll vote for Kuruharan as I think he is a dangerous wolf.

Yet, as a consideration for the village, I'll hold my vote a little longer so that we can discuss whether we'd like another suspect lynched and how to avoid a double-lynch.

[Macalaure]

Let's sum it up:

I think Volo is innocent.

Shasta seems innocent, too, but I will have a closer look at him tomorrow anyway.

Brinniel appeared innocent to me most of the game. I would look at her the way I looked at other today, but I've grown tired of looking at the thread all over again and again. Tomorrow.

I'm tending to think Farael innocent, but depending on today's and tonight's outcome, I may change my opinion.

Fea remains a question mark.

Aganzir is slightly suspicious. She could be the third wolf, but I'm not sure.

Kuruharan is very suspicious and most likely a wolf.

The Might hasn't shown up today, which is sad. I'm rather convinced of his guilt, though.

The debate seems to go towards lynching either Kuru or the Might? Good. Finally candidates I like. :)

[Farael]

I am concerned that the village is so quiet right before the deadline (less than an hour and a half to go if I'm not mistaken).

I don't know how much longer before I have to vote, and I'm a little reticient to vote right now as I don't want to "force" the village to choose the other candidate, but I am fairly convinced of Kuru's guilt and a no-vote by me would give even MORE power to the wolves.

[Farael]

Ok, on that note, it's lunch time over here and while we rarely take more than an hour to eat, I'd rather vote now

++Kuruharan

[Aganzir]

I'm here, but I've been reading through the thread and trying to write a post and don't know how long it will take me still.

Please don't forget Brinniel. I'm quite certain now that she's a wolf, and would indeed want to vote for her today. But if there's no one else who would, I'm not going to throw away my vote, and will vote Might.

[Brinniel]

Now that Kuru has voted, I agree that we should only pick one other lynching candidate. I'd be quite happy with Kuru or Might.

If he is a wolf, Kuru is being rather bold with his attacks against Farael. But then in this late stage of the game with three wolves still in the running, I suppose he's allowed to be bold. It's also possible Kuru and Farael are teamed as wolves and are playing us...but I kind of doubt it. It's too risky.

I find it strange Might hasn't shown up toDay. He has been an active player up until toDay, and knowing his life would be at risk you'd think he would stick around. Unless he's just given up. Or perhaps it's just a RL reason.

One thing that bothers me about Might is no matter how suspicious he is, he somehow manages to slide from one Day to another. I think one reason he hasn't gotten so much attention toDay is because he's not here, but we shouldn't allow that to be a factor. If he's a wolf, then I think the other wolves are certainly manipulating us by attempting to draw attention onto other people (this would make things look worse for Kuru and Aganzir).

Part of me is scared I might be horribly wrong about my suspicions of Might, but another part of me says we shouldn't let him slip for yet another Day...

EDIT: X-ed with Farael and Aganzir

[Volo]

Mac, trusting the sun to rise for you tomorrow might be dangerous at this stage.

I'm more for lynching Kuru out of those two. He'd leave more possible clues. Might would probably lead as back to the situation we're in currently.

[Brinniel]

Looks like it'll have to be Kuru if we want to stick to our two candidates plan.

I don't know, I still feel worried about letting Might slide by yet again. But a third candidate seems so risky...

EDIT: X-ed with Volo

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Votes:

1 for Farael (by Kuru)
1 for Kuru (by Farael)

Seven votes still available and 47 minutes left.

I'm so afraid that the relative village silence right now is going to herald a chaotic end of day.

[Brinniel]

Well if you are worried Fea, perhaps you should vote now or at least state who you want to vote for...

I'd rather vote Kuru than Farael. But if Might doesn't show up (and it's looking unlikely), even only having two candidates can lead to a double lynch.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Well if you are worried Fea, perhaps you should vote now or at least state who you want to vote for...

I thought I did earlier.

++Kuru

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Thirty-six minutes left, and I have something to say. Please don't yell. =x

Last night, I was bored and feeling down, so I went to re-read one of the past games I've played here on BD. It happened to be the one game here in which I was a wolf (we won. 8D) Reading through it, I noticed some similarities between the Brinniel of then and the Brinniel of now. However, the Macalaure of then seems completely different than the Macalaure of now; this Mac seems more cautious, somehow.

However, due to the votes, I'd rather not vote Brinniel today (and I admit, there may be some tiny vestige of loyalty for a fellow past-wolf there :rolleyes:). I'd like to look at her more tomorrow.

I hope to stay through the deadline, so I'll hold my vote.

Edit: X'd with Fea.

[Aganzir]

Brinniel is a wolf, and I don't think I'm wrong this time.

Her first post is nothing but discussing what kind of wolves there usually are. In her next post she admits that even though there usually is at least one quiet wolf, it's not always so. She is a little uneasy about Might, Nerwen and Valier, but doesn't have any suspicions yet.

She returns later and agrees with Mac that there's something fishy about Volo, but can't quite grasp it and wouldn't like to vote him yet. Doesn't know what to think about Might- it's risky for a wolf to make a self-vote and she doesn't know if Might would do that. She finds Valier and Nerwen's votes odd and can't see what's so suspicious about morm.

Then she votes for Nerwen because of her sudden attack for Lommy. Mentions that morm's vote for Valier isn't to her liking, but doesn't think that's a reason to lynch morm. I find that a bit weird. Only a few posts ago she said she can't see what's so suspicious about morm, and now she says his vote for Valier isn't enough of a reason to lynch him. So let's see what morm said in that post of his: Might is suspicious because of his self-vote, Volo gives a gut-feeling of being guilty.

Her first two posts on Day 2 are speculation about why Valier was killed. She reaches the conclusion that it's more probable that the wolves wanted to frame morm than that morm is a wolf. Rikae is her main suspect.

Then the analysis project. Nothing makes Volo obviously suspicious, but some of his posts are a bit strange, and she isn't sure about him. Mac is innocent, and so is Might (although she has been almost suspecting him quite much). Is unsure of sally, but thinks both she and morm are unlikely to be wolves. No idea about Fea or Farael, nothing alarming about Kuru. Thinks Menel is a bit too quick to jump the bandwagon and doesn't like his comments about not being eaten. Doesn't like Kath's vote (for Might) but the rest seems ok. Doesn't like morm's vote and his first post of Day 2 but doesn't see why a wolf-morm would have killed Valier. Is frustrated as Shasta didn't explain his vote for Volo. Green is being careful; suspicious. Slightly suspicious of Lommy. Legate is probably innocent. Finds Aganzir a little contradictory, but nothing alarming.

Votes Greenie, who has 5 votes now.

On Day 3 she thinks Greenie's vote for Volo might well have been a wolf-on-wolf. Menel's posts about Greenie-morm connection make her feel uncomfortable. Asks if the wolves could have thought Legate was the seer. Finds morm innocentish and thinks sally's actions are a bit too risky for a wolf, but isn't sure about her.
Aganzir, Volo (suspicious), Mac (innocentish) and Might (slightly suspicious) are the most suspicious based only on their vote for Greenie. This is actually the first time she suspects Might, earlier she's only been playing with the idea of him being a wolf. It looks like a wolf suspecting a wolf: Might's been suspected enough by then that Brinn is making herself look better by suspecting a wolf who may soon be lynched.

She votes for Menel, but says she'd take back her vote if she could when she sees a double lynch will occur. On the next day she explains her vote:
I thought there were less people left to vote and for some reason I hoped that with a vote for Menel, people would less likely to want to risk a double-lynch in the chance it could turn into a triple-lynch.

On Day 4 she wonders why Kath was killed, as she didn't see anything seerish about her. Hmm, are you sure you didn't see anything seerish about Kath while discussing with your fellows during the night? Suspects Volo less than she did earlier, because Menel's putting pressure on him and because she's begun to question Aganzir more (only after I started suspecting her, I see, and with reasons like "Agan could be a wolf because she caused a 3-3 tie when there were still several people who had said they'd vote for the same person". Really, Brinn... I can't believe you missed that when reading the end of Day 3).

She sides with Farael on his and Kuru's dispute and warns me that suspecting her will only make me look bad after she's been killed. Votes for Menel.

Day 5.
Doesn't like my sudden violent attacks on her. Feels uneasy about Volo and thinks she should take a closer look. Mac is innocentish, but she would still like to watch him more closely. Might guilty. Fea should be watched more closely. Farael is suspicious, but would a wolf be so obvious? Shasta should be watched more closely. Doesn't like Kuru's attacks on Farael.

Brinniel is very quick to speculate about what kinds of wolves there might be or why somebody was killed. That's a good way for a wolf to appear helpful and vocal without actually saying anything useful. Another wolf tactic I can find is strongly opposing double-lynches and spreading of votes. It's so easy to say "please, let's not spread votes any wider anymore or we'll risk a double-lynch" if a fellow wolf is being suspected.

I also think Brinn is bold enough to suspect and vote a fellow wolf, especially after the last game, so I don't think it matters much that she voted Greenie.

I also think I can see some kind of a connection between Brinn and Farael... Am I the only one?

Anyway. I would love to lynch Brinn today. She's a wolf or I'll eat my nice hat.

a late edit: xed since my last post

[Volo]

Thirty-six minutes left, and I have something to say. Please don't yell. =x

Last night, I was bored and feeling down, so I went to re-read one of the past games I've played here on BD. It happened to be the one game here in which I was a wolf (we won. 8D) Reading through it, I noticed some similarities between the Brinniel of then and the Brinniel of now. However, the Macalaure of then seems completely different than the Macalaure of now; this Mac seems more cautious, somehow.

However, due to the votes, I'd rather not vote Brinniel today (and I admit, there may be some tiny vestige of loyalty for a fellow past-wolf there :rolleyes:). I'd like to look at her more tomorrow.

I hope to stay through the deadline, so I'll hold my vote.

Edit: X'd with Fea.

Ok, hold your horses - don't vote, I'll check it.

[Brinniel]

She's a wolf or I'll eat my nice hat.
Then you better start chewing. I hear hats aren't the easiest thing to digest. Ask Farael. :p

I really don't like how Aganzir is turning attention to me so late in the Day. Especially since I don't think I'm that much at risk of getting lynched toDay. She posted that analysis right after Shasta said he wanted to look at me toMorrow, so she's really looking like an opportunist more than anything.

My vote will probably be for Kuru unless something dramatically changes.

[Aganzir]

I really don't like how Aganzir is turning attention to me so late in the Day.
I promise you I would have done that earlier, had I been home...

She posted that analysis right after Shasta said he wanted to look at me toMorrow, so she's really looking like an opportunist more than anything.
Do you think I wrote that analysis in 4 minutes?

[Volo]

She posted that analysis right after Shasta said he wanted to look at me toMorrow, so she's really looking like an opportunist more than anything.

What??? She's been talking about you the last two Days, at least. Bad point. Shasta, Aganzir, good points, though late, I'll look at Brinn from those perspectives tomorrow, and I hope that I'm alive.

Especially if Kuru's innocent!


EDIT: Xd with Aganzir

[Macalaure]

Last night, I was bored and feeling down, so I went to re-read one of the past games I've played here on BD. It happened to be the one game here in which I was a wolf (we won. 8D) Reading through it, I noticed some similarities between the Brinniel of then and the Brinniel of now. However, the Macalaure of then seems completely different than the Macalaure of now; this Mac seems more cautious, somehow.
But Shasta, you and Brinn and I were wolves together! Of course I'm acting different than then. ;)

Seriously. Volo already mentioned I felt different to him, too. I've got a bit tired of my old style of play which I felt had become too strenuous and predictable and boring. That's why I'm playing a little different.

Aganzir, such a long thing so close to the deadline? :( I'm not convinced, I'm afraid.

Since nobody considers the Might, I'm going to vote for Kuru..... as soon as Volo and Shasta have decided to not lynch me.... :rolleyes:

[Brinniel]

Do you think I wrote that analysis in 4 minutes?
Honestly, I'm not checking the time stamps at this late. If you didn't see his post, you need to edit it with a cross-post notice.

[Volo]

Since nobody considers the Might, I'm going to vote for Kuru..... as soon as Volo and Shasta have decided to not lynch me.... :rolleyes:

I'm not going to lynch you Mac, I've said that I suspect you less.


Aganzir, such a long thing so close to the deadline? I'm not convinced, I'm afraid.Like me and Farael yesterDay.

Xd with Brinn

[The Might]

Aaahhh...sorry.
I have been playing by WLAN with a friend up until now and I totally forgot about WW; only made small posts in the Quiz Room.

I will try to read through today's posts and make an idea of what happened.

[Aganzir]

Aganzir, such a long thing so close to the deadline? :( I'm not convinced, I'm afraid.
I'm afraid I missed what's wrong with it. I've been away for most of the Day and didn't have time to do it earlier.

Brinn, sorry for forgetting to edit. I can do it now if you wish.

[Farael]

15 minutes and a bunch of votes to go... it seems rather obvious that the remaining two wolves are holding their votes 'till the last moment (I say remaining two with Kuru being the third)

We have heard nothing from The Might today, which is strange... Aganzir makes an interesting post, but it's too late right now. While I won't hold it against her just yet, I'd like to see how she follows through tomorrow.

It does look like a wolf trying to come up with a theory when it's too late to do anything about it (which has the benefit of looking helpful without risking that your suspect will be lynched and proven an ordo) however, we know she's been busy today and therefore I don't think the timing is bad. She does seem more ordo-ish after that post, but at this stage of the game it's all very much relative.

Brinniel's response to Aganzir's accusation is reasonable, but I think a little excessive... while it is certainly a bad timing, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's wolfish behaviour by itself. I'd have to look for further evidence on Agan at this point.

[Macalaure]

I'm not going to lynch you Mac, I've said that I suspect you less.
Good. :)

Ok, hold your horses - don't vote, I'll check it.

This sounded to me like you were about to very suddenly change your opinion.

[Brinniel]

I'm afraid I missed what's wrong with it.
It's just we don't know what your thoughts are on other candidates. Particularly the ones that are getting voted for.

My mind's made up...I'm voting in a second.

[Volo]

This sounded to me like you were about to very suddenly change your opinion.

It is, but not against you, as the points were made against Brinn.

[Volo]

++Brinniel

Let's see what happens.

If I'm dead tomorrow, look through Brinn or Kuru (although I bet Kuru dies), and everybody else too!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

No, Mac, I mean that you seem to be playing differently than the wolvish-Mac of long ago; meaning I think you're more innocent now. :p

8 minutes to the deadline, folks. I definately want to look at Brinn more tomorrow, and since Aganzir's analysis, possibly Farael too, but it's too late to vote either of them.

Might could be lying about "forgetting" WW, but I don't know; if I were in his position, with suspicion piled high, I certainly wouldn't forget about it. :p With that in mind, Kuru may be a better bet.

Edit: X'd with Mac, Brinn, and Volo twice. Hmm....

[Brinniel]

++Kuru

I'm really hoping everyone else will follow. I'm terrified of a double lynch.

Fine. Look at me toMorrow. But don't risk a double lynch toDay.

[The Might]

I've read...and I must admit I don't know who to trust...although I am afraid of having been fooled by certain persons whom I trusted up until now...for example Brinniel...of dear, I hope I make the right decision.

[Farael]

Six minutes to go:
Farael 1 (Kuruharan)
Kuruharan 3 (Farael, Fea, Brinniel)
Brinniel 1 (Volo)

Edit: added Brinniel's vote

[Volo]

Fine. Look at me toMorrow. But don't risk a double lynch toDay.
This looks bad of you, because Kuru's guilt points positively at you, somewhat and this doesn't suggest his guilt.

Just endDay bloodthirsty thoughts...

[Aganzir]

I want to vote Brinn but don't want to risk a double-lynch.

How many others could possibly vote her?

[The Might]

I would.

[Brinniel]

If you lynch me, you'll probably lose. But if I die and am proven innocent, look at those who tried to divert attention towards me.

If it's a double lynch, I pray Kuru is indeed a wolf.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I hope this doesn't cause a double lynch; if they're both ordos, we've lost.

But now I'm more suspicious of Brinniel than I am of Kuru. It may just be that she's more present in my mind, but...

++ Brinniel

Edit: X'd with Might, Agan, Brinn.

[The Might]

No, then again after my folly with the last double lynch I am not doing that now...

[Aganzir]

++ Brinniel

[Volo]

No guys, don't lynch both of them.

[Aganzir]

Might, please vote her

[Brinniel]

Screaming: This is exactly what the wolves want. You're falling into a trap.

[Farael]

So now Kuruharan and Brinniel are both tied with 3 votes

[The Might]

No, I am not going to let another double lynch happen...but who to choose Kuru or Brinn...oh dear...

[Volo]

Mac, careful now.

[Brinniel]

I'm innocent. But vote me if it means avoid double lynches.

[Macalaure]

What are you doing??

[The Might]

++ Kuru

[Volo]

No, I am not going to let another double lynch happen...but who to choose Kuru or Brinn...oh dear...

Choose, now!

Xd with Mac and Might.

[Farael]

A minute to go, someone better vote before Nogrod ends the day

Edit: Cross-posted with Mights vote

Man, my heart is actually pounding in my chest

[Macalaure]

++Brinniel

[The Might]

I pray you did not lie Brinn...
And please let Kuru be a wolf...
If you used me like that right now, I feel like a complete idiot. :(

[Volo]

Oh dear... If we survive, we sure have something to analyse...

[Brinniel]

I'm pretty sure the village has lost now... :(

[Nogrod]

Day5 ends.


The Green Dragon was quiet most of the Day as the hobbits seemed to withdraw to themselves.

Finally as the evening started to creep along some of the hobbits awoke to the grim reality that they had to make a decision with or without discussion on it.

"The Twofeet are such a problem, as always! I say we lynch him and let's do it the slow way!", Kuru Shrewthwacker opened.

"That's Twofoot also to you Shrewthwacker! And by god don't we know where your kin is bred! I say we extract as much pain as we can while we slowly burn this gaffer to death - to see what he's hiding...", Farael Twofoot answered with a furious tone. Fea Briarpatch, Brinn Burrows and The Might of Greenholm nodded.

But then Agan Sackville-Baggins opened her mouth. "Let's forget the problem with a double lynch and lynch Brinn Burrows... Just for the fun on it." Volo Proudfoot and Shasta of the River agreed.

And before they noticed it both Kuru and Brinn had gathered the same amount of voters beside them and both crowds seemed like they were going to stick with their choices.

No one wished for a double lynch but no one was ready to give up either.

So one knows what happens then... both crowds ran on their chosen victim to be the first ones to kill the villain and thence leave the other one alive.

And both crowds managed to tear their victims in pieces before anyone realised what they were doing.

Then it was quiet and nothing happened.


“Didn’t I say there are two more wolves out there? And that was the first thing I said toDay...” the Shard said now smiling widely.

“If the wolves pull off a double-ordo lynch today, they win. I said it most clearly early in the morning”, the Drop added. “But you wouldn’t listen now would you?”

"Yeah. Nice you came along with lynching Brinn as well...", chuckled the Flame.

"So maybe we just put an end to you evil hobbits devouring you here and now - or do you wish to sleep one Night before it?", the Shard grinned.

The werewolves started a little dance while the hobbits looked on totally confused.

"Don't worry be happy!", called the Drop.

"Dance now little hobbits while you still have a minute. It would be sad to die without the last dance", the Flame smiled and started singing a famous tune from a far a way place...

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best, hey


At this point the other werewolves came to sing along the Flame...

Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse you're lips and whistle, that's the thing

And, always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the right side of life

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow
Forget about your sin
Give the audience a grin
Enjoy it, it's your last chance of the hour

So, always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath

Life's a piece o' ***
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke it's true
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you

And, always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the right side of life...

~*~



The werewolves win!

Congrats for an extraordinary bold Day5!

Game over!

[The Might]

A double lynch....

[Volo]

:D Congrats!

[Brinniel]

Silly people...

[Farael]

Dammit. I'm pretty sure the village has lost now... :(

That'd be only if Kuru is not a wolf.... and where did that Brinniel bandwagon come from?

[Brinniel]

So, who were the wolves?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Argh!

[Farael]

Well, hats off (well, if I hadn't eaten it) to the wolves!! They played us good, that's for sure.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

So, Mac, Aganzir, should we start dancing now or wait until the narration's over?

[The Might]

Ah darn...at least if I had been a wolf...
And I am a foolish ordo.
Well, definitely this was a terrible game on my part, beginning with that double lynch. I feel that I trusted the wrong ones the whole time...and I was definitely tricked.
I can't help it but feel like I am the main reason for this defeat, so please excuse me. :(:(:(

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Fea, Mac, and Aganzir...

ow, my brain.

Who was the Drop?

Congratulations, by the way.

[Nogrod]

So there is no need to play the Night6 as you have succesfully lynched two innocents and it would be a formality to wait for the 24 hours for wolves to decide whom to kill during the Night and then devour the rest in the morning...

I quess you wolves have earned your gloating now... You did marvellously! :cool:

EDIT:
should we start dancing now or wait until the narration's over?Just go on. I'll write something and add it to my day over post so everyone feel free to continue with a discussion here.

[Farael]

Feanor you just made my Werewolf black-list along with the illustrious SPM

But good job!

[Macalaure]

boy..... my heart is racing and my hands are shaking :eek:

Won! :smokin:

[Volo]

Oh but this was a very well played game from the Wolves part, and not only. But the village was completely baffled through the whole game!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh my, I was actually sick while looking at this. I arrived at the very next minute too see the final cut.

Folks, you are really, really, totally and unbelievably... (I wanted to say evil, but then I thought about Nogrod's narrations. You are good at this, certainly. Woah.)

*goes back to sleep, O Happy To Be Dead*

[Volo]

Ah darn...at least if I had been a wolf...
And I am a foolish ordo.
Well, definitely this was a terrible game on my part, beginning with that double lynch. I feel that I trusted the wrong ones the whole time...and I was definitely tricked.
I can't help it but feel like I am the main reason for this defeat, so please excuse me. :(:(:(

Not your fault.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If the village likes, I kept all the nightly wolf chat. I can post it up for your amusement.

[Aganzir]

*eats her nice hat*

Thank you everybody. I enjoyed this quite a lot. :D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That would be interesting, Fea, thank you.

[Volo]

If the village likes, I kept all the nightly wolf chat. I can post it up for your amusement.

Please do!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I can't help it but feel like I am the main reason for this defeat, so please excuse me. :(:(:(

Definitely not your fault sweetie. At all.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Although I do have to wonder how much of a chance the village ever really had with Mac, Aganzir, and Fea on the same team.... :p

And let's not forget Lily, either.

[Volo]

Feanor you just made my Werewolf black-list along with the illustrious SPM

But good job!

I have to decide if it's Fea or Aganzir who gets that place. Probably Aganzir as she was clearly the better Wolf. :p

[Brinniel]

Ack, well congrats you guys. Seriously. You had us all deceived.

Aganzir, I knew your attacks on me were wolfish! You turned the village against me in the final moment. That had me so frustrated!

Fea- I knew she was falling under the radar too much. If only I had done an even closer analysis.

Mac, you totally had me fooled. I really thought you were innocent.

As so, as much as I hate to lose, you guys really deserved this. Well played. :smokin:

[Farael]

Might buddy, don't worry... we were ALL WAAAAAAAAY off track... you made a gutsy (even if misguided) move, but how many did I make? I don't think I suspected a wolf all game long, other than a fleeting uneasiness of Fea

[The Might]

Ah well, I'll do better next time.
Not trying to look for excuses, but with 3 very important tests last week and a project in history I didn't really have time to take a look at the game as I would have wanted to, and I must admit I was quite superficial at times.

Anyway, now school is almost over, so I'm going to be a lot more active in the next one.

[Volo]

Mac, you totally had me fooled. I really thought you were innocent.
Copy that, although at least once I was right. Sadly it was the wrong time to be right... :/
I trusted you enough to let you decide. Well played, well played indeed!

[Farael]

Insane cross-posting here, but Fea goes to the black list for the gloating after having me lost all game...

Aganzir should go to the Werewolf hall of fame!! That was a masterful final stroke.

[Volo]

Aganzir should go to the Werewolf hall of fame!! That was a masterful final stroke.

Haha! Do I hear a new thread coming up?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Lily did beautifully. All my props go to her for taking one for the team so early on.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I agree. When I saw Mac's thirty-seconds-left vote for Brinniel, all I could think was...

"...Oops."

[Aganzir]

Sorry Brinn. :D

And my apologies also to Greenie. I wouldn't have wanted to lynch you. :(

It'd be nice to stay here for a while, but I really need some sleep after a weekend of roleplaying. Good night everyone. And especially good Night for the remaining villagers. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So again, who was the Drop? I like to know the little things, sue me. :P

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil http://forum.barrowdowns.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?p=537729#post537729)
Please elaborate, Rikae. What do you find suspicious about Macalaure?
Well, this might not be entirely fair, but last time he was a wolf (which I found out after I was dead), I told him that the reason he tends to be caught when he's a baddie is that he is too tentative then, whereas innocent Mac is usually very decisive with his suspicions. Yesterday he seemed almost gloating over my calling him innocent, and then he went after Volo in a way that seems almost like a caricature of innocent-Mac.

ARGHHHHH.

By the way, I can give you the reason for my departure now. After posting the above suspicion, I found out Mac's role for certain, outside the game. I didn't think it was fair to keep playing under those circumstances.
So I had to sit back and watch him fool all of you.
This is not the first time I could say "I told you so" either. But still, no one listens to me... bah.

[Volo]

What I am baffled with though is why I think like a Wolf?
Lommy in Gil's game and now both Mac and Aganzir here...
The way they played seems the most natural to me. :rolleyes:

Oh, but at last this game ended! With no disrispect to anybody, just it was a very taxing experience as I've never sent WW to such a priority level before. And never has the defeat been such utter and complete.

:D

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Very admirable, Rikae.

I was tempted to drop out of the game after the whole editing fiasco, but I didn't want to break the game for anyone... so I got a lot louder in hopes that the wolves would waste a kill on me over the night.

[Volo]

ARGHHHHH.

By the way, I can give you the reason for my departure now. After posting the above suspicion, I found out Mac's role for certain, outside the game. I didn't think it was fair to keep playing under those circumstances.
So I had to sit back and watch him fool all of you.
This is not the first time I could say "I told you so" either. But still, no one listens to me... bah.

You even changed your hair colour? :D Black comedy at the very finest.


Ok, I'll calm down now.

[Brinniel]

Oh, and I almost forgot. *eat socks* Because I said I would. :D

Even if they hadn't succeeded with a double lynch, I'm sure the wolves would've been victorious the next Day. I don't remember when a village has been so clueless. :rolleyes:

I must admit, I became very frustrated for several days because we couldn't track down a wolf. Before going to sleep, I'd start analysing everyone in my head. And then WW would haunt my dreams.

Anyways, I may have not survived at the end, but this is the longest I've ever been left alive in a game. And the most I've ever posted in a single game....72 before Day 5 deadline. :eek:

It's probably for the best the game ended today. I've been stressed lately with end of semester final projects and exams. It's really hard to juggle that and WW, and I'm rather relieved that I won't have to during the most critical week.

[Brinniel]

Also...

It's been a long time since I've gotten so into a game. Good work, Noggie. :)

This whole old school meets new school thing should happen more often...

[The Might]

Well done wolves...this definitely was a great performance!

I just realised I have a question...
Why is this WW XXXX and not XL?
In order to ditinguish it from the t-shirt size? :D

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I've been stressed lately with end of semester final projects and exams. It's really hard to juggle that and WW, and I'm rather relieved that I won't have to during the most critical week.

No joke. I'm trying not to have a panic attack about what I have to accomplish in the next 24 hours.

But that was a brilliant game. It really was. Thanks Nogmod!

And everyone else!

And I'm having the devil of a time formatting the PMs, so you'll have them as soon as I can get it all organized looking...

[Nogrod]

Okay.

A final narration is at it's place in the end of the Day.

Shasta and others interested: you might find some clues as to who is the Drop and others in there... :D

Why is this WW XXXX and not XL?
In order to ditinguish it from the t-shirt size?Ahh, you're right but I first named this WW XXX wich was even more wrong... :confused:

This whole old school meets new school thing should happen more often...Definitively.

I'll make a few words a bit later as I'm pretty tied with my scheduals right now...

But it was a pleasure to mod this game. So thanks everyone from a memorable game!

[Brinniel]

I hope you're not planning to concentrate on me too much today. Even if you're certain of my guilt, don't forget there are two more wolves out there.
As noted by Noggie in the narration...I can't believe none of us noticed this! :eek:

[Volo]

As noted by Noggie in the narration...I can't believe none of us noticed this! :eek:

I wonder how long I'll sit gaping at the screen not eyes as wide open as my mouth. I wonder how long I'll sit gaping at the screen before I can finally post this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

As noted by Noggie in the narration...I can't believe none of us noticed this! :eek:

I noticed. So sorry I didn't point it out... :smokin:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Okay. So the best way I could find to keep myself from having to mess with font tags all night was to copy and paste the chronological chat into a DeviantArt thingummy.

So here's a link (http://saeryn.deviantart.com/art/wolf-chat-71752797) for you to access it.

I managed to lose one or two of my own PMs, but all of Mac's, Agan's, and Lil's should be there.

[Volo]

Thanks! :D

Mac, neither do I you. *points at sig*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mhm. So, Mac was the Shard, and Fea the Drop, leaving Agan to be the Flame.

I'm going to plant my head in the nearest desk now.

[Kath]

I caught that slip of Mac's this morning and laughed my head off when no one noticed. :D I do apologise for being such a rubbish Seer by the way. Every one I dreamt of was summarily killed and then so was I! That was a very good show by the wolves indeed.

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, thanks for not killing me early on.

Anyhow, I enjoyed it. I was so sure that morm was a wolf *eats hat, coat, socks, and boots*, and the remaining three wolves had completely slipped by. Seriously, I didn't pay any of them much attention at all!

Congratulations, wolves!

[Nerwen]

*spectral voice from the depths of the Water*

I have been watching from my place of rest. Nice work, wolves!

Mind you, I picked Mac and Fea... it all looks different from the other side...

[satansaloser2005]

Dagnabbit! That's all I have to say. We got played, villagers, we got played.

Unfortunately, although I figured I might lure the wolves out of their snazzy little holes, the only ones who were confused by my actions were the other ordos. Sorry about that loves.


And wolves....curse you all, you did SO well! :p Congratulations on a definitely well-earned victory!

[Macalaure]

I'm going to comment more later, but this one thing cannot be left uncontested.

It was not a slip! :rolleyes:

I hope you're not planning to concentrate on me too much today. Even if you're certain of my guilt, don't forget there are two more wolves out there.
I was responding to Volo, expecting him to be after me this day. "Even if you're convinced of my guilt, then don't forget there's two more you shouldn't forget". The statement was for Volo on the assumption that he was sure I'm a wolf, putting myself into his position.

Now you know. :)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

It was not a slip! :rolleyes:

Of course it was not a slip. But you see, Mac, the innocents just wanted to find at least some flaw from you (though it would make them look even more stupid). Surely you are not going to take at least this little pleasure from them (did I say "pleasure"? :rolleyes: ) :D

[Thinlómien]

Absolutely hilarious Nogrod & wolves! It was a beautiful game. Actually, everyone played wonderfully.

And you did so well in killing me wolves. Other than that I was considered innocent by almost everybody, I really was sure of Fea's guilt after Menel's death (I considered even giving her an unsigned rep saying something like "I KNOW you're a wolf: you've doing it all too well but I can see right through you, love" but decided against it as I thought she might realise it was me and it would be even more certain that I'd die) and I would certainly have attacked her on the last Day.

I also had a strong bad feeling that either Agan or Volo or both are wolves. I was more suspicious of Agan so I think I would have taken at least a second look on her if I had been alive.

It's just my luck, after being so wrong about everything (except Greenie) I start being right about things the Night I die. :rolleyes:

And Mac... I never seriously suspected him. Hats off (since mine remains uneaten :p) to him.

Anyway, you were way too evil, wolvsies. You all managed to either convince me of your innocence or slip under my radar for a long time, except Greenie, who did awesome job at making morm look guilty. I knew she'd fool me completely in this game, and when I realised she's most probably a wolf and I can see through her lies, I dropped precaution and thought she couldn't possibly fool me at all then. :rolleyes:

Werewolf is so good for me. Every time I think I'm actually quite good at it, I manage to get my suspicions so wrong it's hardly possible. Then I'm relatively good for a few games and when I start trusting myself again and am totally wrong again. This game really teaches me humility... *would add smiley if hadn't passed the limit*

[Macalaure]

First I have to bow before my co-wolves. 5 days and nights (or 2 resp.) is far too little time to plot which such excellent and admirable hobbits.

Honestly, it was truly great to sit back most of the times and just watch the village lynch each other. We rarely ever actively led you astray, except Aganzir on the last day.

But those last 15 minutes.....

When I understood Shasta and Volo wrong, it was the guilty conscience which got hold of me. I made it a very bad reason for me to hold back my vote. Then they told me I misunderstood them. Dammit! Did they notice how stupid I just acted? Were they confused by my sudden defensiveness? No? Phew. Now, they can't seriously consider voting Brinniel all of a sudden. It's not going to happen. Surely they will all vote Kuru. There'll be no double lynch. We're not going to make it! I have to vote Kuru now, I'll look terribly wolvish the next day if I don't. We're not going to make it. Volo voted Brinniel! I can't believe it! Now Aganzir will follow him. We can make it! We can make it! What are Shasta and Miggy going to do? Brinniel voted Kuru. Yeah, I expected that. I should post something, I'm too silent. Miggy would vote Brinn? We really can make it. Shasta voted Brinn! Good, good, good. 3 minutes. I should post something, I'll look so horribly suspicious tomorrow. Aganzir voted. Good. Now, Miggy what will you do? 2 minutes. What are you going to do, Miggy? The deadline, the deadline, the deadline. He's not going to vote at all. They'll lynch me tomorrow for this! I have to vote! "What are you doing??"* Dammit, what if I accidently vote crossing with Nog's deadline? I can't wait! I have to vote! He voted Kuru!!! Quick! Quick! ++Brinniel pheewwwww......

...those were several months off my life expectation.

*I mistyped those few words several times


Kudos to all the players! You made this game a fun game!

And thank you, Nogrod, our mod.

Surely you are not going to take at least this little pleasure from them?
Yes, I am. :p


And, by the way, how do hobbits end up eating their socks? :Merisu:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I really was sure of Fea's guilt after Menel's death (I considered even giving her an unsigned rep saying something like "I KNOW you're a wolf: you've doing it all too well but I can see right through you, love" but decided against it as I thought she might realise it was me and it would be even more certain that I'd die) and I would certainly have attacked her on the last Day.

That night... You can see it in the wolf chat. I wanted to kill you because you were the only person who stood a chance of drawing enough negative attention to me to be dangerous. But I didn't want it to look like I'd killed you for suspecting me. And then Agan was kind enough to point out that you were basically a free kill and I shouldn't worry.

Mac, hilarious.

I was quite similar:

Oh god, I had to vote, I'm sorry guys I had to vote she pointed out the flaw I was hoping they wouldn't notice and I had to vote even though we agreed Agan should vote first please don't let this mess things up I had to vote for Kuru, Kuru's going to kick it and they're going to find one of us in the morning OH MY GOD they believe Agan about Brinn HAHAHAHAHA omigod we might, wait, maybe omigod! They're voting for Brinniel! Worst decision ever! They're going to cross post! Mac, we need you! Wait, it's tied again don't vote don't vote AHHH Mac vote vote vote one more vote and we win and if we don't win we all die tomorrow omigod HE VOTED OMIGOD WE WON WE WON WE WON.

Yep. It was pretty amusing, if I do say so myself. I was banging on my desk watching the screen like my will alone could win the game...

And I did want to apologize a little to morm... again... He took it quite well, that I put such careful work into making nobody trust him ever again. I suppose the best consolation is that, again, I won't be trusted.

[Aganzir]

Well, I can tell I was maybe the most surprised here when I realised people actually believed my Brinniel case. :D I didn't really imagine I could get her lynched if I posted a case against her half an hour before the deadline... But it worked. I was laughing aloud when people started voting her.

My last minutes were pretty much the same as Mac and Fea's. I had thought I wouldn't actively contribute to a double lynch unless it was sure we could make it, but then, all of a sudden, it was possible. I had to count the votes twice before voting for Brinniel... and after that. :D It was perfect. This is why I love being a wolf.

Greenie and I actually attacked Lommy during Night 5 in real life. And guess what she said when we were biting and clawing her: "Stop that! You are being annoying!" :rolleyes:

Btw Kath, who did you dream of? If you already told it, I must have missed it. And who did morm protect?

[Kath]

Erm, I dreamt:

Night 1 ~ Lommy (innocent)
Night 2 ~ Greenie (wolf)
Night 3 ~ morm (Ranger)
Night 4 ~ The Might (innocent)

[Thinlómien]

I was right! I was right! I was right! Thank you, Kath, you made my day. :p Not that it was too difficult to decipher, but I'm glad I was right about something...

And those wolf PMs were just hilarious, the only thing I'm concerned about is Nogrod's low modding ethics... :p ;)

[mormegil]

Memo to all...double lynches NEVER work out. I cannot remember one in all of my history that have turned out well. Volo, I didn't proclaim myself because, like I said in the game, I had a meeting and wouldn't be around. I had thought that I could have held out one more day.

I do not know what to think anymore. All of those whom I felt were wolves, were innocent. I'm beginning to feel that I should hang up my WW hat completely...but I had a lot of fun being wrong.

Wolves, what a brilliant performance on all accounts!!! I need to learn that if I don't know about somebody they must be guilty. I knew Brinn was innocent but I didn't have a great feel on the 3 remaining wolves and that should be my cue to kill you...*sigh*

Thanks Noggie.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I do not know what to think anymore. All of those whom I felt were wolves, were innocent. I'm beginning to feel that I should hang up my WW hat completely...but I had a lot of fun being wrong.

Definitely you shouldn't hang up your WW hat... (even if someone hasn't eaten it already...) after all, WW is about the game experience and not about being right or wrong... (surely all the innocents from this game will wholeheartedly agree with me ;) ) And now you just got back into the game, so maybe next time your judgement will be more correct. I'd suggest you do, you are a good player to have around :)

And by the way, could you share your Ranger list with us? Just so that our knowledge is complete :)

[Nogrod]

Just a few thoughts before I go back reading a bunch of essays... :(

As it has been frequently said the wolves were just phenomenal. A few things I think why they succeeded that well:

- They were incredibly skilled in leading the villagers away from them with subtle things and carefully timed posting. (Yes when I first realised whom the wolf-bunch included I said to myself "Oh dear god, this is nasty" but then I rethought it and as there were a quite tough-looking village against them as well I decided that would be fine)
- Their boldness to vote in a row to their mate Greenie who in turn made a huge favour to the rest with sticking to defend morm so vehemently to her last breath as that was I think one of the key reasons morm was lynched the next Day.
- Spotting Kath in time and making all those ruthless but wise kills they made.
- Darn good luck they had; like The Might producing the first double-lynch of innocents at the last minute, Rikae withdrawing from the game because of Mac's role being accidentally revealed, morm being the ranger, Kuru and Farael focusing on tearing each other apart, Lommy making a colossal mistake with the two others when she finally really got track of Fea (and so no one would believe her on Fea either) etc...
- Sooo beautiful doublelynch they orchestrated on Day5. It was a masterpiece indeed! What a pearl of co-operation and cunning!

And a few notes in passing...

Lommy: I was indeed quite impressed how right you were deducting Kath's dreams! But "low modding ethics" you said? And the whole game was about ethics - at least narrationwise... and if you're referring to my PM's with the wolves, then what's the problem there if I try to cheer some people up... :D

Mac: I know the feeling when your hands tremble over the keyboard and your heartrate just goes to a gazillion at the last minutes. It's just so much fun! And some people say you can't get "real experiences" in front of a computer! But they've never played werewolf in a critical moment I'd presume.

I was really sorry to see Nerwen and Sally go that early as I'd have loved to see them in action a bit longer... well one always is sad to lose a contributing player and someone has to go but anyways. I'm looking forwards to seeing you in the next ones! Also Rikae's quite understandable withdrawal was a nasty blow to the village when they would have needed you the most...

Lovely reading those PM's wolves!

~*~

A statistical fact: the villagers had 5 lynchings in which they killed 6 ordinary villagers and 1 wolf... :rolleyes:

[Kath]

Yeah Lommy I was so impressed with that post! You got all the dreams straight off and in the right order!

[mormegil]

Night 1

Ranger Picks

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

++Sally

It's basically between Brin, Rikae, and Sally. Rikae is generally accepted as innocent but wolves tend to stay away from that kill for a day or two. Both Sally and Brin seem innocent enough but had some decent suspicions of people who are still alive, ergo it will spread a bit more confusion than killing Rikae. I'm going for Sally as she suspected me so it would make sense for wolves to kill her in an attempt to set me up. Brinn voted for Nerwen so her suspicions lied with an innocent...so it would be less likely to use her as a set up tool.

Night 2

My pick

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I would like to protect Fea.

It seems improbable, even for Fea, to be a wolf and the first to vote for Green. Her change on me which she used some sound reason also makes me feel that perhaps she is the seer and dreamt of me. Again, I'm probably wrong and she is a wolf that is willing to: kill off her own to prove her innocence...she is the type that would do that too

At least I was correct about Rikae being innocent.

*sigh* Fea was a wolf and I'm an idiot! I can picture Fea now laughing hysterically about this. The problem is, I am generallyd dreamt of early on so good or bad my role is usually known so it seemed that Fea had a near 180 turn on me which made me think of her as innocent.:rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

*sigh* Fea was a wolf and I'm an idiot!Not at all morm. You also said this: she is a wolf that is willing to: kill off her own to prove her innocence...she is the type that would do thatWhich was just an accurate description of her. ;) I guess Lommy was the first to actually start suspecting her on that and it was only on Day4! So not bad indeed at that point of the game - even if you chose "badly" on that Night.

[Nogrod]

What wouldn't one do to make an excuse to have a pause with doing one's work... :D

But with the wolves being so excellent there was one nasty drawback from my point of view. For I had decided it in the beginning that I would make my narrations in a way that would lead the werewolves - through their Nightly discussions - to become more and more good in the end. I indeed thought that at some point they would cease killing the hobbits for good and would just lock them up or something. But the hobbits would have become crueller and crueller by Day so that it would indeed have raised the question who was good and who was bad in the end...
:smokin:

Sadly it never got that far...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Which was just an accurate description of her.

Fair enough. :cool:

Still, I'd like to put out there that though I voted for Greenie and though I knew that if she kicked it it would make me look good, I wasn't actually trying to kill her. Just trying to vote safe with time constraints.

Y'all are gonna love the brilliant strategy I had early on which I (probably very wisely) chose not to share:

I was going to 'reveal' myself as a seer a few days into the game, hand the village a wolf or two and one or two confirmed innocents, battle it out with the Seer and take one for the team. And if you're wondering, yes: I totally would have ratted out the rest of the wolves to save my own wolvish hide if I had thought it was gonna work.. ;)

The main downfall of this strategy is that eventually the real seer would be revealed and I'd die.

[satansaloser2005]

Night 1


Ranger Picks

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

++Sally

It's basically between Brin, Rikae, and Sally. Rikae is generally accepted as innocent but wolves tend to stay away from that kill for a day or two. Both Sally and Brin seem innocent enough but had some decent suspicions of people who are still alive, ergo it will spread a bit more confusion than killing Rikae. I'm going for Sally as she suspected me so it would make sense for wolves to kill her in an attempt to set me up. Brinn voted for Nerwen so her suspicions lied with an innocent...so it would be less likely to use her as a set up tool.



Aw, shucks, thanks. And then I killed you. Ummmm my bad? :confused:


Yeah I knew Morm had something up his sleeve the whole game. I just thought it was the wrong kind of something.

So I can't find the post right now, but at some point I said that if I was wrong about Farael the wolves could bathe me in barbeque sauce and put me to bed with an apple in my mouth. Feel free to take me up on it as long as it's ketchup. I hate barbeque sauce. :p Just wanted to throw that in :)

[Brinniel]

Well, I can tell I was maybe the most surprised here when I realised people actually believed my Brinniel case. I didn't really imagine I could get her lynched if I posted a case against her half an hour before the deadline... But it worked. I was laughing aloud when people started voting her.

Well, I for one never fell for your "let's lynch Brinniel" case! :p

As soon as you started to make that case against me with so little time left in the Day, I seriously began to question you. And I was more baffled than anything on how everyone else so quickly took the bait. I knew a wolf was behind it, and I figured it was most likely you. I tried to warn people, hence my screaming post, "You're falling into a trap!" I even asked people to kill me if it meant avoiding a double lynch. Then when I was proven innocent, they could seriously look at you toMorrow. I guess I just looked a little too desperate.. But who knows what would've happened if the game had gone for another Day...for all we know everyone could've decided to finally lynch Might and we would still be doomed.

It was not a slip!

I was responding to Volo, expecting him to be after me this day. "Even if you're convinced of my guilt, then don't forget there's two more you shouldn't forget". The statement was for Volo on the assumption that he was sure I'm a wolf, putting myself into his position.
Oh, well that's actually a relief to know because now I feel at least a little less embarrassed. Though I think had I caught it, I probably wouldn't have trusted you so easily as before, despite the fact you'd probably shrug off any comments about that sentence pretty easily.

Seriously, after that I'm never going to trust Mac again! I think it's partly because we've been put on the same team so often (both as wolves and innocents), that I just subconcsiously did. After all, the innocent vibe I got from him was more from a gut feeling. Silly me. I've learned my lesson. :rolleyes:


Btw, throughout the game I was taking notes on yellow pad of paper (basically the size of half a sheet of regular notebook paper). Most of those notes were used for my analysis on Day 2 (which took way too long and were of little use). By the end of the game, I had used up almost the entire pad of paper (I counted 33 pages)! :eek:

[Meneltarmacil]

Actually, I can remember one time a double-lynch did turn out well, though that was an exception to the rule. The first time I modded a WW game, the last lynch of the game was a tie between Gil-Galad and Garin, since the villagers weren't sure which one was a wolf. Gil was innocent, but Garin did turn out to be the last wolf.

[A Little Green]

VICTORY! MWA-HA-HA-HA-HAAA!

Belated cheers everyone! :smokin: This was a great game indeed. It was nice playing with you guys. Perhaps I'll try again some day.

Oh dear. Like I said to Lommy one day, I'll never ever want to be a wolf in my first ww game again :p (great logic, eh?)

And btw, sorry morm for blackmailing you, I just had to try it.. Never thought it might actually work, though :D

Thanks dearies, you were lovely.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And btw, sorry morm for blackmailing you, I just had to try it.. Never thought it might actually work, though

See? Look! I can be trusted! :p

[Volo]

Btw, throughout the game I was taking notes on yellow pad of paper (basically the size of half a sheet of regular notebook paper). Most of those notes were used for my analysis on Day 2 (which took way too long and were of little use). By the end of the game, I had used up almost the entire pad of paper (I counted 33 pages)! :eek::D I had 51 pages of A6.

[Rikae]

Actually, I can remember one time a double-lynch did turn out well, though that was an exception to the rule. The first time I modded a WW game, the last lynch of the game was a tie between Gil-Galad and Garin, since the villagers weren't sure which one was a wolf. Gil was innocent, but Garin did turn out to be the last wolf.

It also worked (sort of) in my game, when the villagers lynched Voloseer and Macwolf at once, if I remember correctly.

I am opposed to multi-lynches as a rule, but still, that was a fun narration to write. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It also worked (sort of) in my game, when the villagers lynched Voloseer and Macwolf at once, if I remember correctly.

I am opposed to multi-lynches as a rule, but still, that was a fun narration to write. ;)

I remember that. Probably my favorite game to date. :D

[Nogrod]

It also worked (sort of) in my game, when the villagers lynched Voloseer and Macwolf at once, if I remember correctly.And as someone somewhere already pointed out: I (seer) and Legate (ranger) made sure of a doublelynch of the only remaining unknowns to claim a victory for the village in Gil's game not a long ago...

So it works both ways... depending on the situation.

[mormegil]

And as someone somewhere already pointed out: I (seer) and Legate (ranger) made sure of a doublelynch of the only remaining unknowns to claim a victory for the village in Gil's game not a long ago...

So it works both ways... depending on the situation.

Yes but two unknowns that early in the game...odds aren't good.;)