WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Farael was, of course, correct. I was wrong. Thought I had it but... :rolleyes:

No time to post much now. Back tomorrow. Currently confused about that weird narrative (not to mention most other things in this game!) No roles will be revealed? For what reason? With no gifteds left and just one werewolf....

... it's all a bit worrisome.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whoa. This is indeed interesting. Why are not the roles revealed upon death? If we lynch the last Werewolf, we are going to win, right? Unless, unless there is some other Werewolf? Or something Twisted? What if the wolfishness will pass onto yet another person when the original wolf is killed? This is the thing that immediately came to my mind, yet I am not sure whether it isn't too bold assumption, as that will be certainly quite drastic.

There is the thing that tp told us not to put too much into the narrations. Yet all these conversations between fogs and other voices are rather unnerving when one does not exactly know what is supposed to be going on. You know, like "you have not won" "but you are twisted" "and you are as well" and all these talks of Rikae "you will see" (whether we choose to trust her or not) and anyway, we were promised two twists, and this far nothing (actually, now I looked at the rules and tp says there "a couple of individuals will be given..." till this point I had stuck in my mind that there will be two twists, probably stemming from the word "couple", but now it seems it could mean some not precisely defined value).

Anyway, the objective is still the same: to find and lynch a Wolf. I don't know what are we going to do if we lynch him (and we don't know we did so) and the game does not end, but whatever. Then we just keep lynching each other until only one remains. Hey, what if there is a player who is supposed to survive even longer than the innocents? Okay, again, assumptions... It's late here now, but I will be back in several hours and offer something productive for the Wolf-hunt.

[The Saucepan Man]

I don't know what are we going to do if we lynch him (and we don't know we did so) and the game does not end, but whatever. Then we just keep lynching each other until only one remains. That’s not so far fetched, you know. Do you not know your Werewolf lore, man? Have you not heard the tale of the village where both Werewolves present were lynched early on, but the villagers were not told the role of the second? Kept lynching each other they did, even though they were all ordinary innocents, with a death duly occurring each Night, until only one villager was left. I know. Because I was that villager. And one of the last three remaining was none other than the phantom mod himself (and the instigator of such madness his guest narrator).

Are we really surprised about all these mysteries? After all, we came here knowing that all would not be as it seemed. Yet, we have nevertheless slogged away lynching a Werewolf a Day (save for one off Day) with aplomb. Does it not seem mighty strange that we have been so successful? Although we have also the Wolves themselves to thank in part, seeing as how they have been at each other’s throats so much. Two rival packs of Wolves might explain it, as that has been known too, but why then only one death (if any) each Night? Farael speculated that Mac and Rikae may have been Lovers, at odds with their pack-mates, yet Rikae did not die immediately upon Mac's demise.

And then there is the mystery that Farael and Eomer began to unravel even as the sun set yesterDay. Eomer was correct. According to the narrative, the Cursed was turned on Night 4. I had missed it because of the delay in the explanation of the Night’s events (we were, at first, told only that three Wolves remained), and because I later assumed that Farael’s theory that Boro had saved him that Night was correct. And so the Ranger must have been successful on Night 3. Yet Boro told us that he protected Mac that Night, while Farael told us that was the Night that he dreamed of Mac and found him to be a Wolf. Neither (as far as we know) had any reason to lie. How could Mac be both a Wolf and saved by the Ranger on the same Night? Competing Wolf factions might again explain it. Or perhaps Boro did not protect the person that he thought he was protecting, which might point to the presence of some other powerful influence in the village, apart from the Wolves.

And what about the Fog and the Voice? The Fog, it seems, is Master of the Wolves. But the Voice doesn’t seem to be entirely on our side either. Might this too point to two packs of Wolves?

And finally, we are now told that no further roles will be revealed. As has been said, what could be the point of that if only one Wolf and no Gifteds remain? Again, it would suggest that there is another present who, while not necessarily on the side of the Wolves, may not necessarily have the village’s best interests at heart.

I raise these questions not to solve them, for we have little chance of doing that with any certainty until this village has played out its own tale. If I had to settle on an answer, the competing Wolf factions theory (whether rival packs or Lovers) would seem the most likely explanation. But we cannot be sure. It will, I think, be worth bearing in mind that there may well be one (or more even) here present who, while not Wolfish, have their own sinister agenda to pursue.

Still, there is little point in dwelling at length on these questions. The best thing that we can do right now, I guess, is find the one Wolf that we know remains.

One thing that we do know from the facts (as far as we can ever be sure of anything in this village). If the Cursed was turned on Night 4, it cannot have been Nogrod, Nerwen or Mac. The Cursed was either Rikae, in which case she was awakened on the very Night that Farael dreamed of her and found her a Wolf, or it is the remaining Wolf. I find the latter more likely.

[The Might]

Well, it's really late here, 3:15 AM to be exact, but you know, this may well go in the addicted to the BD section. I just needed to check the WW and see what was going on.

Just read SPM's post and I really think that he is right. What if we really had two packs that knew nothing of each other? That would be indeed a twist...

And what about this fog. Why isn't it the Shade or the Flame or whatever name a wolf has...why is it this fog? And this voice? Could it be that each side has an avatar like figure that somehow controls everything? I don't know...

As for the idea about everyone simply lynching each other till the end, I find that quite disturbing... I mean who really wins in the end then? That's somehow not really WW in the end, but just a madness. On the other hand, TP knew that Rikae was going down toDay and so that one Wolf would still be surviving so he might have planned this before and waited until this time.

So...what if the Wolf is killed and nobody knows? Well, hope that won't happen.

Now, I realise that besides talking about these interesting twists I haven't really said anything accusing others in this post, but sorry, the beer has taken its toll and I won't start now.
However, sometime during the Day I will try to post something about those I suspect most.

Sooo...good night till then!

[The Saucepan Man]

Quiet here, innit?!

So, as I said, our best bet is to carry on trying to find the last Wolf.

Legate: Given the circumstances, I am inclined to trust him less than I usually would a known innocent. But, the fact that Farael dreamed of him does not make it any more likely that he has a secret role. If he is truly benign, he will probably die toNight, so there is not much point in speculating further about him at this point.

Aganzir: I am still suspicious of her, for reasons stated previously. What with all the Wolf-on-Wolfs we have had, I still don’t trust her Day 1 vote for Nogrod. But I would like to hear more from her. Given that there is no point in pursuing Legate toDay, Aganzir, what are your thoughts on everyone else?

Eomer: One of my main causes of concern over him was his switch from pursuing Nerwen to voting for The Might on Day 3. But, since it is now clear that the Cursed joined the Wolves on Night 4, that is no longer so relevant. Other than his calm demeanour on Day 5, which is hardly damning in itself, I haven’t seen much else to concern me. Not high on my list of priorities toDay.

Isabellkya: With her, I come back to that vote for Mac when his fate was all but sealed. There is little else to go on though, since she has been relatively quiet, although that in itself may be telling. Wary of her but, again, would like to hear more from her.

Kath: When I thought the Cursed had been turned on Night 3, I thought her concerted vendetta against Nerwen an indicator of likely innocence. That’s no longer the case. The timing of her vote for Mac still speaks in her favour, but it could have been a very clever move for a Wolf looking to make it to the end on her own. Still not high on my list of suspects, but I will nevertheless be keeping my eye on her.

Mormegil: As the Days have worn on, I have found myself trusting morm more and more. He speaks a lot of sense and comes across as genuine. That, of course, is how the last Wolf no doubt wants to come across and it would be dangerous to overlook morm. I have not forgotten the way he voted for Farael and then switched to Mac on Day 5. It looked to suspicious to me at the time although, if he is a Wolf, it did have the effect of preventing him from saving Mac, had the opportunity arisen. On balance, I am still inclined to think him more likely innocent for now.

The Might: Another one from whom I would like to hear more. A whole lot more. His reluctance to engage in trying to find the final Wolf yesterDay looks bad to me, as does his early defence of Nerwen. He tarries high in my suspect list.

Still, we have the best part of a Day to go yet, so I'm hoping that there will be more to go on when I return.

[Isabellkya]

Would the game not end when we lynch the last Wolf?
Unless there is some other thing we need to get rid of, but then that would make it six anti-villagers.

Just a heads up, I'm not feeling very well and so I'm going to head to sleep.. even though it isn't 7pm yet here.. I will try to be back here tomorrow before the deadline.



X'd with SPM.

[The Saucepan Man]

That would be indeed a twist...Not a new one, though.

That's somehow not really WW in the end, but just a madness.Too true. :rolleyes: :D

Now, I realise that besides talking about these interesting twists I haven't really said anything accusing others in this post, but sorry, the beer has taken its toll and I won't start now.
However, sometime during the Day I will try to post something about those I suspect most.Well, don't leave it too long. Your thoughts at this time would be most welcome.

[mormegil]

I must take back my earlier theory of Eomer as it seemed to fit really well with the night 3 as he really did seem to switch but I agree with SpM, that since it was pointed out in the narration, my theory doesn't fit with the evidence. I'm reluctant to not suspect him as he doesn't sit right but I won't be voting for him today. My vote remains for The Might as his post today is again unhelpful and I feel he could be avoiding saying anything incriminating.

One thing that we do know from the facts (as far as we can ever be sure of anything in this village). If the Cursed was turned on Night 4, it cannot have been Nogrod, Nerwen or Mac. The Cursed was either Rikae, in which case she was awakened on the very Night that Farael dreamed of her and found her a Wolf, or it is the remaining Wolf. I find the latter more likely.

Saucie, you have been fairly lucid on your guesses but this section quoted above made me think a bit. I wonder if the wolves had the option, so to speak of who was there cursed and on a predesignated night the remaining wolves were able to pick. If Mac began as a wolf, which seems very apparent now, then it is probable that he picked Rikae on the 4th night. The trade off would likely have been that while you get to pick who is your wolf you don't get a kill that night. It makes sense that he would pick Rikae due to their RL stuff. As with SpM these are ideas and cannot be proved but may help explain things. If this is true, for example, then we have a wolf on our hands from the start, if not then we need to find the cursed.

I have not forgotten the way he voted for Farael and then switched to Mac on Day 5.

For what it is worth, I was, like most, very confused at the time. I thought it wise to try and keep things equal so as to continue to apply pressure to both parties. My gut told me to keep trusting Boromir and he was really the only of the 4 I trusted. So his plea for me to switch sounded desparate but genuine so I decided to follow him.

As a whole I would really appreciate hearing more from Kath, Isabell and The Might.

[Aganzir]

I had almost thought I could escape the fog by flying, but here I seem to approach the village again.

First, how on earth can you know if the cobbler counts as innocent? Some people here seem to be almost too certain about it. If it's usually so, it doesn't mean it's so in this village.

What if we really had two packs that knew nothing of each other? That would be indeed a twist...
Why only one kill or no kills at all per Night then?

I have ridiculously little time at the moment, but here we go.

Eomer - Inclined to consider him innocent.
Isabell - As for whom I suspect of wolvery, she's my top suspect at the moment. I don't like her posts on the last two Days- too much like a wolf who knows she's about to be the last wolf standing and isn't sure how she will manage it.
Kath - I'm not sure about her, but she looks more innocent than guilty.
Legate - My thoughts are the same as yesterday, and I don't really care if I'm suspected because of that. I think Legate is one of the twists, and an evil one- and my opinion is that we could afford lynching him.
morm - Likely innocent. I don't repeat what has been said about him (Farael and Saucie at least), but I mostly agree with them.
Might - He's quite much his normal self and thus suspicious. But there's something same as with Isabell- some kind of reluctance. It looks like he's trying to appear helpful while trying not to be helpful.
Saucie - The one I trust most at the moment.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to return toDay, so I vote now.

++ Isabell

I'm sorry I haven't been very useful during this and yesterDay.

[Kath]

Is it possible that we have some kind of duelling wizards? The fog and the voice being the people in charge of separate packs of wolves. Because we either had some very bold wolves determinedly trying to get themselves lynched to put others in the clear (with the wolves we've seen revealed I would still think that's possible) or we had rival packs who weren't aware of it until someone they didn't know was a wolf got lynched.

But if the latter were true does the remaining wolf know about it's master/mistress, and does the whichever it is out of the fog/voice that no longer has a pack have any impact on the village. Perhaps this is why we are no longer seeing roles upon death. It would certainly be an interesting twist.

But, whatever the case, we do still have a wolf to find. I do wonder how this game will end though, I thought it must when we found the final wolf but if there are extra, almost 'higher up' roles ...? Who knows?

As to this final wolf, who among us is left.

Agan
Izzy
Legate
Eomer
Sauce
Might
morm

I don't know who out of those I would peg as a wolf. There have been a couple of arguments against Legate that I will go back and have a look at. Unfortunately though I have been left with most of the people on my 'no idea' list, which isn't particularly helpful.

[The Saucepan Man]

If Mac began as a wolf, which seems very apparent now, then it is probable that he picked Rikae on the 4th night.I agree that, if the Wolves had a choice, then Rikae would have been a likely pick. I also think that, if she started out innocent, Mac would have been keen to hunt her in any event. It’s quite possible, therefore, that she was the Cursed. My problem with this, though, is on the timing. If Rikae was the Cursed, she was turned on the same Night that Farael dreamed of her. We can’t be sure how this would work, but it seems likely that Farael would have dreamed before the Wolves attacked. If so, then surely he would have seen a Cursed Rikae as innocent.

First, how on earth can you know if the cobbler counts as innocent? Some people here seem to be almost too certain about it. If it's usually so, it doesn't mean it's so in this village.Yes, but we don’t even know if there is a Cobbler. I agree that it’s possible that Legate could be the subject an evil twist, but it’s no more likely than anyone else, to my mind. We do, however, know that he is not a Wolf. And our best bet is to try to find the last Wolf in the hope that this will produce a village victory. I really don’t like your insistence on Legate here.

Nor Kath’s …

There have been a couple of arguments against Legate that I will go back and have a look at.Why? He’s not a Wolf.

OK so, by my calculation, we have three Days of lynching until things become critical (imponderable evil twists aside). While it would normally be too late to consider lynching one of the quiet ones on the basis that he or she is a quiet Wolf, I tend to think that it is a ‘luxury’ which we can currently afford. I have concerns about both The Might and Isabellkya and I somehow get the impression that those concerns are unlikely to be dispelled in whatever time I have left in this village. I am therefore currently inclined to vote for one of those two toDay.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Following the example of several people toDay, I'm posting my list on people after reviewing what I could.

Aganzir- My thoughts on her have not been made better, even after her last post when she seems to hold tooth and nail to the sucpicion of me even while I am a proven innocent. At this moment let me also add on this topic that whatever twists there are around, I find it quite an easy for a Wolf to discredit a known innocent by labeling him as cobbler or whatever. By the way, if I were a cobbler, surely Farael would have seen that? I don't like the way Aganzir keeps going after me, thus giving herself an image of stubborn innocent. Anyway, as it was said before, as I am known innocent, I am probably dead toNight. Hopefully that will be proof for those unbelieving among you that there is indeed nothing twisted about me. I only pity that due to these rumours the village cannot make as much use of a known innocent as generally can be. Maybe it is good in that my points are double-checked and not blindly believed, which would be also dangerous, however there is some line and being a known innocent and still being suspected by several players is quite frustrating.
Eomer of the Rohirrim- I am not sure neither of his innocence nor guiltiness. There is something strange about him, but it is something... elsewhere, elusive. Not near to labeling him as wolf, however. I suggest watching him only in case he is some Twister.
Isabellkya- Not particularly suspicious about her. There are things like her vote for Mac which could have been the vote that did not have any value, as I said yesterDay, but that does not necessarily have to be true. By her behavior, I am rather inclined to trust her.
Kath- Kath is very sneaky in general, well she is always like that. I can't actually remember her as a Wolf, I remember her only as a lover, and her performance seems still the same whatever the case. So, nothing particularly positive about her, but also nothing negative.
mormegil- Seems trying, working, as a morm should; and also due to what our Gifteds said and how he acted seems more like innocent and I am inclined to trust him, as most people here seemingly do. The only thing was, as it was remembered before, his retraction on Farael, but that's a single thing and he even spoke about that, so whatever.
The Might- his behavior lately may be lazier, but that, I believe, could be said about more people in this village. I see his behavior even lately may have raised suspicions about him from certain people, yet I am less suspicious of him that I was before because his behavior is certainly more "Mighty" than he was at start.
The Saucepan Man- he seems more reasonable lately, however, I am still aware of him as I suspected him in the past and am not willing to throw it away.

So, that's about it. I will soon have to leave and will be back probably only very shortly before the DL, so I will probably cast my vote now just in case - probably for Aganzir. Nevertheless, I am quite sure there will be still time for me to pop in before the DL. I will try to provide the village with as much advice as I can for the likely scenario that I am dead toNight.

EDIT: x-ed with SpM

[mormegil]

I agree with SpM in that by continuing to worry about Legate so much we are wasting time. I personally feel that he could be a cobbler Agan, so I agree with you there, however, I am not worried too much about what he can and can't do. The simple fact remains that the most likely way for the killing to stop is to get the remaining wolf. Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'

If I saw something more solid from you, perhaps I would be a little less beliving that you are indeed a cobbler which could be a hidden twist in the village.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'

If I saw something more solid from you, perhaps I would be a little less beliving that you are indeed a cobbler which could be a hidden twist in the village.

That's nice, but you know, it's kinda depressing that it seems at least you and Aganzir don't trust me anyway. And I am, of course, not posting anything for certain, because I can be never certain - only a wolf or, indeed, a cobbler could do it with "clean" conscience. But when I know that I most probably die toNight, I am afraid to place things I am not sure about as sure. I believe I said what I wanted to say - the general views on all people is there, and I wouldn't say it is the way you say it. You probably don't read it well, apart from Kath I have quite good pictures about everyone, and as I said, surely I will post something at the end of the Day. And we have only one wolf now, and my thoughts are really that it is Aganzir. Now I have to leave, so I vote

++Aganzir

But will be back. Keep it up. Think.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm surprised anyone is talking about Legate. Let him give us what he will and leave him to his (probable) fate tonight. The suspicion of him, at this stage, seems to do little but cloud the air.

I am suspicious of the 3 girls, mostly intuitively.

However, the most rational suspicion I have is of The Might. His voting pattern is not good: not simply because it was me he voted for, but because the nature of those votes were complete throwaways; it appeared he was trying to be original and not just voting for a suspicious character, or for good reasons. He defended Nerwen rather too much, plus his posts are usually lacking in contributions.

I think there's a great chance he is the last wolf.

++THE MIGHT

[Isabellkya]

Aganzir, your 'reasoning' behind voting me is rather weak, you have no case. Have you forgotten so quickly that for three Days straight I went after Nerwen? Yet you were actually trying to save her.

In regards to speculation about my vote against Mac; it had nothing to do with reluctance. Deadline is 2pm my time, that day I had awoken rather late because of staying up late at night.

++ Aganzir

Part revenge, as well as she has been trying to divert attention towards others; her cases against Legate and I are rather weak.

X'd with Eomer.

[Aganzir]

Aganzir, your 'reasoning' behind voting me is rather weak, you have no case. Have you forgotten so quickly that for three Days straight I went after Nerwen? Yet you were actually trying to save her.
My playing is based very much on feelings and intuition, and I can't help if you strike me as a werewolf. That's the same reason I have kept going after Legate- and the same reason I kept suspecting Mac while quite a number of others said my case against him was far-fetched, improbable or whatever.
But I guess it's not too easy for anyone to come up with a good case when you're abroad and have about one hour a day to read everything, post and vote.

But as for this post of yours... The first thing you do when you are voted is to remind everyone how you were one of those who were most after Nerwen? I am shown in bad light compared to you because I considered her innocent from Day 1 on.
I could actually say the same to you: have you forgotten so quickly that I have voted for a wolf every single day? But in this village it means absolutely nothing. Normal werewolfing laws don't apply here.

Yes, but we don’t even know if there is a Cobbler.
If Legate is not a wolf, he's some kind of a cobbler. I have never been this certain of someone's role.
By the way, if I were a cobbler, surely Farael would have seen that? I don't like the way Aganzir keeps going after me, thus giving herself an image of stubborn innocent.
But that's what I am. :D
I asked Farael if he could see the twists but he didn't actually answer me. Unless this counts:
Worst case scenario, Legate is a cobbler-like figure... doesn't matter, as long as he's not a werewolf (and I would've seen him thus if he were) he counts as an ordo and should NOT be lynched. Simple as that
I take it that Farael didn't know if he dreamt of a twist. I am sorry to ruin your happy day as a known innocent, but that's what my gut tells me to do.

-- Isabell
++ Might

Because there's more chance that I can save myself by voting him than Isabell.

[mormegil]

I have just rereviewed all of The Might's 12 posts and must say that it did nothing to dissuade my decision to vote for him. I think it it probable that he has taken the quiet wolf approach especially consider the other wolves were fairly vocal and it didn't do much to help them out.

Isabell's last post however, has me a bit worried, but not enough to put her over The Might on my suspect list.

++ The Might

Edit crossed with Agan

[The Might]

Well, just a few thoughts on everyone before I go to eat:

Agan - seems quite suspicious, especially because of this constant harassment of Legate, who is a known innocent (even though possibly cobbler)
Izzy - no clue really
Legate - well, he's known to be an innocent
Eomer - not very suspicious anymore
Sauce - guess he's an innocent too and his posts don't look very wolvish
morm - again no clue
Kath - same goes for Kath

As much as I might think about all kinds of strategies I must admit that in the end I don't have a clue as to who from those remaining is the last wolf.

Anyway, since I don't have any other big suspicions and since it seems to be the only likely chance to not get lynched I'll have to go ahead and vote for

++ Aganzir

Anyway, in case I'll get lynched I wonder what the others will think tommorow...since I know I'm not a wolf I guess all might think that I was the final wolf and start fearing some madness in the end.

Sorry for again being a let down, I really must try to post more stuff, but somehow making some cases isn't really my strength except when I know someone is a wolf...maybe next WW.

[The Saucepan Man]

Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'You know, that doesn’t really surprise me. I feel much the same way every time that I look at each villager. I can see arguments for each of you being the last Wolf and counter-arguments for each of you being innocent. This is often the case in Werewolf, but it’s particularly the case in this village, given all the strange things that have happened (multiple Wolf-on-Wolfs and all these mysteries). As a result, I am rather lost here myself.

I am therefore still edging towards voting either Isabellkya or The Might, as I feel that I have a better chance of reading the rest of you in the Days to come. My suspicions of Aganzir have actually eased off somewhat in light of her recent contributions. As she herself points out, she has voted for a Wolf every Day. I really cannot believe that there would be that many Wolf-on-Wolf votes. And I don’t think that the last Wolf would draw so much attention to herself by insisting so resolutely on Legate’s guilt.

My preference would be to lynch Isabellkya, as I don’t like her reasoning for her vote for Aganzir. And I am not sure about The Might. He seems to be on a mission to give away as little of his thoughts as possible which, again, would be risky for the last Wolf as it draws attention to him. However, with the tally 3 votes for Agan and 3 votes for Might, a vote for Izzie would be pointless as matters stand. If that continues to remain the case, I will have to vote for The Might, as I see him as being a more likely Wolf than Aganzir.

[the phantom]

I just thought I'd let you know that it is possible no one will be around to close the day right at the deadline.

You are free to post so long as no one has announced the beginning of Night, however, VOTES cast after 9:59 GMT will NOT COUNT.

Carry on.

[Kath]

Erm, Might, why do you say Sauce is an innocent? Is there a dream of Farael's I missed?

Anyway, voting:

Agan ~ 3
Might ~ 3

Eep, I knew it was getting close but I didn't know it was getting that close! And I don't actually want to vote for either of them. The attack against Agan has felt engineered since it began Days ago, and I don't find myself suspicious of the Might. If I were to vote for one of the two it would be the Might if only because with the sheer number of loudmouth wolves we've had a quiet one would make sense.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

To let you know:

I will be here at close of day to refrain from telling you the role of whoever you kill and to narrate my way happily into the Night. You've got about a half hour.

[The Saucepan Man]

Erm, Might, why do you say Sauce is an innocent? Is there a dream of Farael's I missed?Well, he did dream of me. But unfortunately it was before the Cursed was turned.

What say you to a vote for Isabellkya?

++ISABELLKYA

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

My playing is based very much on feelings and intuition, and I can't help if you strike me as a werewolf. That's the same reason I have kept going after Legate- and the same reason I kept suspecting Mac while quite a number of others said my case against him was far-fetched, improbable or whatever.
Now I'm quite inclined to see this as subtly inputting messages that should support your innocence. Wolf-on-wolf votes in this game are, as you said yourself, not rare, and if you are a Wolf, there is possible that we discover the wolf-on-wolf vote for Nogrod there was so much speculation about in the past.

Anyway, if I am able to catch it in time, there will come something to chew from me in case we don't lynch a Wolf toDay and I'm killed toNight.

[Kath]

Oh. Well no I don't particularly want to vote for Izzy either. Last minute bandwagons are just a bad idea in so many ways. No, I guess I'll just bite the bullet and go for:

++MIGHT

I could see his playing style being that of a wolf far more than I could Agans'.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I would have preferred to lynch Isabellkya than The Might, but so be it.

--ISABELLKYA
++THE MIGHT

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

This is not much more than concretising and also radicalising (and I am warning about that) my post about everyone toDay.

Aganzir- if she is not lynched toDay, I suggest strongly lynching her some other Day. It was all said before, now she puts himself in the dangerous role of a stubborn innocent; with building such image in front of the village there is strong chance for her to survive till the end.
Eomer of the Rohirrim- I don't think he is a Wolf, but I think he may be twisted. His behavior seems to be following some pattern I am not able to grasp. I played once in the same pack with a Wolf, resp. Vampire Eomer so I can say I have a little insight into him; as I said, he does not look like a Wolf, but more like something else. Not an innocent. (Oh my, I sound like Aganzir now.) We don't know what role this plays when the dead's roles are not revealed.
Isabellkya- looking rather innocent.
Kath- I'm afraid I can't say more than I said earlier about her.
mormegil- looking strongly innocent, cf. above.
The Might- also inclined to think innocent, cf. above
The Saucepan Man- I said that: lately, reasonable, but it will be wise to keep an eye on him for what I raised sometime before against him (Day 3 or when it was).

Other general stuff: I don't think there were two packs of wolves for it would be surely strange not to have more nightly kills (unless the Ranger was miraculously succesful, but even then, you know). I think no twists have been revealed this far and there are at least two - so whoever of you are innocent, watch out.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yeah, so that is it. Take care all, and if I don't survive this Night, see you later after game.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

"Cruelty?” laughed the Voice. “Me? Perhaps, but only one such as you would label those things which I have done with a word such as ‘cruelty.’ And I daresay I am yet imperfect, for only those like you, proud fool, consider themselves to be unchangeable and right. I can yet learn, adapt. There is hope, for me”

“You speak of inability to adapt, yet my plan was altered, and I still claim victory over you and yours! For in the end, in a battle between you and I, I shall always prevail. Do not pretend you do not know the Power which I serve.”

“Your precious Power... Your Power deceives you. Tricks you. Keeps secrets from you. Your Power’s bidding is a command to you, one you follow with no thought of your own. One you follow blindly. Your Power enslaves you, creates a monster of you.”

So it went between them, a battle of curious words, both sides unswayable, throughout the day.

And as their voices echoed over the heads of the villagers, altered by the damp of the fog, carried strangely over the water so as to seem to come from everywhere, the villagers in turn argued.

"Remember lore!” shouted Saucie. “Remember your history lessons. Hear what I have to say of villages from afar, for I travel and you… you people make lamps, tend sheep, dig graves. Hear this, of a village far away, long ago! Two travelers approached and were side-tracked by a castle similar in appearance in terms of decrepitude and ravens to the House of Usher, if you’re familiar with Poe. And in the tower lived a creature, a mad creature, a fully beautiful creation of feminine form, who called herself the Dark Lady, and she had werewolves, a pair. The travelers died somewhat nonchalantly and took control of the narrative and the Dark Lady commanded the wolves to KILL. And when they died at her feet, due to injuries inflicted by the village, very early on, quite frankly, before the game had really even gotten going, she showed no concern. Rather, she continued to slaughter the village, her decisions made by roll of dice, and continued to play on their fears so they would kill each other even when she rested! Or something like that! It’s been a while! Hear now the story of the Dark Lady! Learn! My point relies less on the details of the events than the fact that she was an absolute nut job, this Dark Lady! Do not forget that the wolves may die but an evil may yet live! Take nothing for granted!”

And many cried, “This is madness!”

To which Saucie responded, “Of course it is, you fools! Of course! That’s what I was trying to tell you! We should be prepared for madness!!!”

To which someone muttered, “I’d say he knows an awful lot about madness… maybe… too much.”

A comment which was deftly ignored by all as decisions were made to lynch both Aganzir and the Might.

“Wait…” muttered Kath. “I don’t want to kill either of them.”

“I mean to contribute to a game run by nutjobs with a bit more madness. Die, Isabellkya, die!” And he charged her with those things he’d tinked in his travels. But he was stopped.

“Ahem.” Quothe the village. “Not Isabellkya. We decide these things by popular vote.”

And Saucie looked meek.

Kath cast her vote for the Might, and Saucie, rebuked, agreed, and so it was that the Might died at the hands of the village. Yet as he died, the fog fell heavily, like a living thing, upon them, around them, between them, and all sounds were muffled, and all were blind. And when it lifted, the Might was gone from their midst.

“Did anybody see if he transformed!?” shouted many.

But alas… nobody knew. And the Fog laughed. And the Voice beyond it almost seemed to chuckle as well.

---
The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Eomer of the Rohirrim- gravedigger
Isabellkya- hen
Kath- milliner
Legate of Amon Lanc- lamp-maker/fiddler
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)[/COLOR]
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)[/COLOR]
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might- shepherd – went missing upon execution (UNKNOWN)

IT IS NOW NIGHT 6. YOU MAY NOT POST.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

My apologies for it being a little early: I wanted to make sure I could open the day and better a bit early than late or not at all.

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The village woke.

Their number now totalled six. The gravedigger was missing.

They searched his home, found no sign of struggle. Searched the shores, found no sign of escape. They entered the cemetery, and found no signs of battle. None amongst them smiled or laughed. Eomer of the Rohirrim was missing.

A grave stood open between two tall willows. A headstone was before it. The grave was deep, empty. The stone was tall, white and silver, and seemed to be eroded away by many years of rain, of tides, yet the grave was far above the water's edge.

The only words upon it were these, carved by the hand of Eomer:

Death Is.

The village shuddered. They knew it was by his hand, for tied to the white stone was his white fist, still clutching a chisel. The rest of him, they never saw again.

---

The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Isabellkya- hen
Kath- milliner
Legate of Amon Lanc- lamp-maker/fiddler
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might- shepherd – went missing upon execution (UNKNOWN)
Eomer of the Rohirrim- gravedigger - dug his own grave, yet was not in it (UNKNOWN)

IT IS NOW DAY 7. YOU MAY POST.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whoa. That was certainly... interesting. Looks like I am not leaving you yet after all. Nevertheless, seemingly the trouble did not end yet. Does anyone think TM could have been the wolf, and that we are left here with something, or does anyone even think Eomer was the wolf, and we are left here with even worse something, or do you think, like me, that there is still a wolf lurking around? However we cannot dismiss any possibilities. Not that it would make any difference.

So why Eomer, then... why Eomer? He was TM's main dueling partner for a long time, that's for sure. It looks almost like a lover death (no, this is meant only metaphorically!). And what else? More or less trusted? Not by me, anyway, but even I did not think him a Wolf as probably. So another reason to get rid of him. Or just to confuse us? He seems not to leave too many tracks anyway.

I am not probably staying here for too long toDay, but if anyone of you has anything to say right now, I will read it, otherwise, I will be back in the morning. What do you others think?

[Isabellkya]

I think there are a couple of possibilities:

a) Five wolves including the cursed; four are dead. One remains alive, the deaths at night are 'random' so as not to leave a signature from the killer - to keep in line with TP's "twist" of roles not being revealed anymore.

b) Four wolves all dead. The 'twist' of not revealing roles occured after the death of the 4th wolf - Rikae; most likely to as well, keep inline of this hidden twist of another killer. Yet why haven't there been two kills during any of the nights. Unless the remaining killer is part of the wolves - is the Fog or Voice or what have you.

Why Legate was not killed during the night is almost a bit worrying. Surely whoever is responsible for the nightly killings, would not want a 'proven innocent' to try and lead the rest of the village. Yet it could be just another tactic for the killer(s) to insure some kind of confusion and diversion.

[mormegil]

Interesting that the narration didn't include the voice or fog. What to make of that? I realize that the village is rather small now but it seems overly quiet and guarded. I have concerns that nobody will be speaking much. I'm of the opinion that the game will end when the final wolf is dead and accordingly I don't think that The Might was a wolf. That leaves:

Aganzir
Isabellkya
Kath
Legate of Amon Lanc
mormegil
The Saucepan Man

I'm currently inclinced to trust SpM based on the fact that he was dreamt of and deemed innocent; there would have only been the one night to convert him to a wolf and probablity states that it wouldn't have happened. That really leaves our 3 women, in my mind. Of the three Agan is, by standard definition, the most suspicious, but I have problems with that as I don't think her actions are indiciative of a wolfish Agan. I don't trust Isabell and I find myself wanting more from Kath. Meaning that she really hasn't done much to make me suspect her but also she hasn't done much that makes me trust her. That is a dangerous combination. I hope to have time tomorrow to look at both but I fear that due to other obligations today and tomorrow the time I have is very limited and if I do it will be in the last two hours of the day.

[The Saucepan Man]

I am not sure how helpful it is to us now, but here is yesterDay's voting record:

Aganzir: ++Isabellkya (Isabellkya 1)
Legate: ++Aganzir (Isabelkya 1, Aganzir 1)
Eomer: ++The Might (Isabelkya 1, Aganzir 1, The Might 1)
Isabellkya: ++Aganzir (Isabelkya 1, Aganzir 2, The Might 1)
Aganzir: --Isabellkya, ++The Might (Aganzir 2, The Might 2)
Eomer: ++The Might (Aganzir 2, The Might 3)
The Might: ++Aganzir (Aganzir 3, The Might 3)
SpM: ++Isabellkya (Aganzir 3, The Might 3, Isabellkya 1)
Kath: ++The Might (Aganzir 3, The Might 4, Isabellkya 1)
SpM: --Isabellkya, ++The Might (Aganzir 3, The Might 5, Isabellkya 1)

So, why wasn’t Legate killed last Night?

First possibility: The remaining Wolf wanted to put some pressure on him by leaving a question mark over him. But, since we know from Farael’s last dream that Legate is not a Wolf, he is unlikely to attract votes (and therefore take potential votes away from the Wolf) if we assume that we are still hunting for a Wolf, so the motive here would presumably have been to maintain confusion in the village.

Second possibility: The Wolves are all dead and there is some other sinister presence in the village which is out for itself, and which assumes the ability to kill once no Wolves remain. This would point to either Legate being said presence, or to said presence wishing to relieve pressure on him/her-self by putting Legate under the spotlight.

Third possibility: The original Wolves and the Cursed are all dead, but there was some secret role, akin to a Cobbler, which took over from the Wolves when they all died. The conclusion here is similar to that of the second possibility above.

There are no doubt many other possibilities, but they take us so far into the realm of speculation that consideration of them is unlikely to be of much assistance to us.

However, like morm, I am going to assume for the time being that we still have a Wolf on our hands, as I don't think that either The Might or Eomer was a Wolf. My current thoughts on this basis are:

Aganzir: Looking less and less likely to be a Wolf to me. Her best kill last Night would have been Legate, surely, as he was the one putting most pressure on her. For a Wolfish Aganzir, taking out Legate would have outweighed the confuson value of keeping him alive.

Isabellkya: Looking more and more likely to be a Wolf to me. I thought her the more likely Wolf than The Might yesterDay because, while his quietness was drawing attention to him, hers was (is) more subtle.

Kath: Another possible quiet Wolf and, like Isabellkya, she has played subtly and drawn little attention to herself thus far. I would like to hear a whole lot more from her before making my mind up, but I am becoming increasingly suspicious of her.

Legate of Amon Lanc: Little more to say about him than I have already said above. I don’t think that he is a Wolf, but am increasingly inclined to the idea that he is not on the village’s side. Since I believe that we still have a Wolf to find, I am still not sure that lynching him would be in our best interests.

Mormegil: Still trusting him more than any other villager, right now. I am loathe to discount him entirely, since I am well aware that he could, as a Wolf, pull an innocent act off superbly. If he is a Wolf, he has played me (and indeed most of us) like a fiddle, but I can’t see myself voting for him right now.

I am going to look back and see if there is any reason why a Wolf might choose to kill Eomer, other than for the confusion value.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I have not really had time to look back over the whole thread. Early on, Eomer's suspicions were mainly directed towards Nerwen. Subsequently, he began to focus on The Might. One thing from yesterDay did catch my eye, though. Despite voting for The Might, he said:

I am suspicious of the 3 girls, mostly intuitively.... although that does not really help me, as we know that Legate is not a Wolf and I am feeling relatively comfortable about morm at the moment. It's not much of a basis for killing Eomer rather than Legate, so I am still more inclined towards the confusion theory.

[Aganzir]

I'm actually not very surprised that Legate wasn't killed. If there's a chance there's a cobbler in this village, surely it's in the wolf's interests to leave him alive.

What surprises me more is that the wolf decided to kill Eomer instead of Saucie or morm, who both are quite proven innocents. Could it be that, somehow, the remaining wolf is one of those known innocents and doesn't want to draw attention to himself, thus leaving the others alive as well? Probably not; I fail to see the sense in that, as there are not enough Nights left for the wolf to kill all the known innocents anyway.
Or could there be a twisted wolf that doesn't appear to the seer as one? Or should we play it safe and lynch the Fog?
*returns from the beautiful realm of speculation*

Ok, so we have this Day and toMorrow. After that the game ends- either we find the last wolf or the wolf wins. This is of course assuming that the wolf isn't dead already.

I am still suspicious of Isabell, and am planning to go through her posts now.

[Kath]

I do have this horrible fear that all wolves/evil beings are actually dead and we're just lynching each other for the sport of our dear mod. It seems unlikely, but then both he and Fea played in ATM where that exact thing happened so I can't help thinking it!

I don't think the fact that Legate is still with us is particularly surprising. A known innocent someone said (I've been having trouble keeping up with the Seer dreams, if anyone feels like providing a list I'd love them), is there no chance he couldn't have been the cursed and now a wolf? It would explain the lack of his death. However, I have actually only just thought of that. The reason I wasn't surprised is because no one actually seems to trust him. Where's the harm in leaving a known innocent alive if he's not going to be followed anyway?

But I suppose if we're not going to talk ourselves in circles we are going to have to assume that there is one baddie of one kind or another in our village still.

Agan
Izzy
Legate
morm
Sauce

My natural suspicion of the latter two has been surprisingly dormant this game, possibly because of the relative ease with which we were catching wolves earlier. I have never known what to think of Agan, she is simply one of those I cannot work out. I've spoken about Legate above, which leaves me with Izzy, whom Sauce was very keen to lynch yesterDay. Can I ask why? I might be inclined to vote for her toDay as morm is right, this village will end up with only a couple of posts a Day if we have many quiet people (and yes I know I count in that, I am trying).

[Aganzir]

Day 1
Isabell agrees with Nerwen that as the wolves are able to communicate also on days, it's easier for them to influence the lynch. Thinks it would be too obvious if Shasta's "Does this mean I'm a wolf thanking Nerwen for mentioning something that can help me out?" was wolfish. His posts don't contain much substance, though, but she doesn't suspect him yet.

Nerwen bothers her, though just a little- especially when she said she could be convinced to vote someone (and among these someones were two wolves).
I don't really know what to make of that comment of Izzie's. If Nerwen had been innocent, it'd be easy to say "Yea, Izzie is attacking someone who suspected her fellows"... But I don't know. Really, everyone can be convinced to vote a particular way. That's what we're doing all the time, that's what I'm trying to do now, unless someone convinces me that someone other than Isabell is in need of immediate lynching. It's just something that isn't said aloud too often, and a nice reason for a wolf to suspect someone.

Nogrod is his usual self (note: not innocent or guilty, just his usual self. The way to mention a player without really mentioning him), and Macalaure's insistance on him is worrying. Valier is suspicious and non-committal. Votes Nerwen.

Boromir is asserting his 'us-ness' a bit too strongly. I can't recall if this is usual style of word choice or not. It is another one of those shallower bluffing tools which are always obvious.
Could you explain what you meant with this? Which is a shallow bluffing tool, saying us (like Nogwolf) or suspecting someone because of saying it?

Day 2
Shasta was an odd choice for the wolves. Eomer's vote (for Nerwen) and comment aren't that worrying, except the phrasing of the first sentence (Not happy about Nogrod being lynched.)
She thinks Mac is probably not a wolf as he was the first one to vote Nog and it'd be risky the place the first (safe) vote for a fellow. Spm was the second to vote Nog, so he isn't probably a wolf either. Is worried by the timing of my vote, although the whole vote is confusing if wolfish. Legate's vote jumps her the most. Some of Nerwen's posts have been just odd.
Tries to decide whether to vote Nerwen, Legate or me (because my reasons to vote either Nogrod and Shasta were weak and allusive and I threatened Shasta).
Votes Nerwen.

Day 3
Votes Nerwen. Thinks she's too flimsy against morm.
I haven't much liked this whole 'convince me to vote how you want attitude'.. it reeks of innocent.. yet this is why I don't like it. Innocents aren't typically this obvious and blunt about how they can be manipulated by the wolves.
"This thing is innocentish and it makes me think you are a wolf. You must be a wolf because you want to behave like an innocent."
I don't like Izzie's reasoning there. And innocents can be manipulated by other innocents as well.

Day 4
I stick out in her mind, mainly because I was vocally against lynching Nerwen, but it may be a bit too obvious. Doesn't say anything about Farael vs. wolves argument until a few minutes before the deadline when she says she's inclined to believe Farael because it would be so risky for a wolf to claim to be the seer. However, she doesn't like Farael and Boro's aggressiveness. Votes Mac although doesn't like the thought of sacrificing someone in order to find who's lying.

Day 5
Votes Rikae.
The tactics of the wolves during the night are pretty straight forward; they killed the Ranger so they could make a clean kill of the Seer toNight.
But Boro had assumedly protected Farael the previous Night so that if the wolves had attacked him also then, their way should have been clear that Night. And everybody thought it was Farael indeed who had been attacked then, so how come you're so quickly coming forward telling the wolves couldn't be sure if they could kill Farael? Only wolves know whom they attacked and if their pick was protected.

Day 6
Asks if the game ends when we lynch the last wolf.
Votes me because the reasoning behind my vote for her was rather weak, and reminds everyone how she had been going after Nerwen.

Day 7
Speculates something about how many wolves there are left and says it's almost worrying Legate hasn't been killed.

**

I find her arguments against Nerwen mostly genuine - there's very little that reminds me of Mac and Nog. But it makes me wonder if there truly were two teams or something alike, because I'm not quite ready to consider her innocent either... Or then she just did her work well.

Isabell has been mostly sensible with her suspicions, but still somewhat ignorant all the time.
But what strikes me most is this change in her behaviour on Day 4. What was Day 4? The day Farael gave us the names of two wolves. The day after the cursed was turned? And on Day 5 also Rikae was lynched, and after that Isabell has been talking very little. A wolf afraid she'll slip? Just trying to avoid being noticed? Could it be possible that Isabell was the cursed? I have no idea though why the wolves would have wanted to attack her in a situation when there were people whose deaths would have been more useful to them.

Or has Isabell been a wolf all the time? As the wolves have seemingly been suspecting each other, her continuous attack against Nerwen isn't an indicator of innocence. And her behaviour has changed recently because she is the last wolf alive? To me this sounds quite believable.

edit: xed with Kath

[The Saucepan Man]

What surprises me more is that the wolf decided to kill Eomer instead of Saucie or morm, who both are quite proven innocents.I would think it much of a muchness for the Wolf. Eomer had attracted very little suspicion all game, and the Wolf probably thought that there was as much chance of getting him lynched as there was either morm or I. Which puts both morm and I in danger toNight, assuming that (if Legate is not the one doing the killing) the Wolf decides again to leave him alive.

I do have this horrible fear that all wolves/evil beings are actually dead and we're just lynching each other for the sport of our dear mod. It seems unlikely, but then both he and Fea played in ATM where that exact thing happened so I can't help thinking it!If that's the case, then there is little that we can do about it. I think it more likely, if all the Wolves are dead, that there remains one (or more) secret role who can win by surviving on their own.

... which leaves me with Izzy, whom Sauce was very keen to lynch yesterDay. Can I ask why?I thought that I had made that clear. I was content to lynch either The Might or Isabellkya, since I felt that I was least likely to get any read on them out of those left. Both had been quiet, which could be indicative of a last Wolf trying to lay low, but I thought The Might less likely to be a Wolf because his apparent refusal to share his thoughts was just drawing attention to him. Isabellkya was being more subtle about laying low, and my preference was therefore to lynch her. It still is.

And Aganzir's analysis doesn't make me feel any better about Izzie. I hadn't noticed the change in her behaviour on Day 4 as I thought that she had been quite quiet throughout. But she was more involved than I had remembered her being before Day 4.

Or has Isabell been a wolf all the time? As the wolves have seemingly been suspecting each other, her continuous attack against Nerwen isn't an indicator of innocence. And her behaviour has changed recently because she is the last wolf alive? To me this sounds quite believable.I still think that the last Wolf is the Cursed, because of the timing of Farael's dream of Rikae. But I agree. She looks bad either way.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm of the opinion that the game will end when the final wolf is dead and accordingly I don't think that The Might was a wolf.

My personal reasoning comes from the other end: I don't think TM was a wolf, and it is probable that when we lynch the wolf, it will all end; however, that cannot be said for sure. But, at least technically it now does not have any value for us, the game simple keeps going on and we will see for ourselves when it ends. Of course, if the last person is not a wolf, it will be hard to lynch that person based on the behavior earlier in the game (at least towards the wolves).

Why Legate was not killed during the night is almost a bit worrying. Surely whoever is responsible for the nightly killings, would not want a 'proven innocent' to try and lead the rest of the village. Yet it could be just another tactic for the killer(s) to insure some kind of confusion and diversion.
First possibility: The remaining Wolf wanted to put some pressure on him by leaving a question mark over him. But, since we know from Farael’s last dream that Legate is not a Wolf, he is unlikely to attract votes (and therefore take potential votes away from the Wolf) if we assume that we are still hunting for a Wolf, so the motive here would presumably have been to maintain confusion in the village.
Where's the harm in leaving a known innocent alive if he's not going to be followed anyway?
Yup, I find it most likely that given the rumours surrounding my person the remaining Wolf left me alive with the hope to create confusion, certainly I cannot make as much of my known innocence, and eventually it could be even that there was hope to get me for lynch. So, it looks explainable why I was not killed, and concerning why Eomer was killed, it seems that there is no more to gather than what was already said - either to bring confusion or to point to the two other male players who remained (apart from me) or to the three female players he mentioned - that means, to everyone.

Interesting that the narration didn't include the voice or fog. What to make of that?

I would not go that far into conclusions, could be Fea simply did not have enough time to put them in there or it just did not go well with the rest of the narrative. They already spoke in the evening, so maybe that was considered to be enough for us.

I do have this horrible fear that all wolves/evil beings are actually dead and we're just lynching each other for the sport of our dear mod.

Wait, and was that really just keeping lynching each other, last man standing, or was there some sinister figure behind that who was supposed to survive?

[The Saucepan Man]

(I've been having trouble keeping up with the Seer dreams, if anyone feels like providing a list I'd love them)Sorry, missed this earlier. If I recall correctly, they went like this:

Night 1: Morm or me
Night 2: Morm or me
Night 3: Mac
Night 4: Rikae
Night 5: Legate

The Cursed was Wolverised on Night 4, if the explanation of that Night's events is to be believed. On that basis, Legate can be neither one of the original Wolves nor the Cursed.

Wait, and was that really just keeping lynching each other, last man standing, or was there some sinister figure behind that who was supposed to survive?Nope. Just innocents lynching each other ... :rolleyes: :D

My vote toDay will probably be either for Kath or for Isabellkya. I would like to hear more from both of them.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Nope. Just innocents lynching each other ... :rolleyes: :D
Well, it's rather ":rolleyes:" than ": D"

Anyway, I must say my thinking of Aganzir is in a state of crisis. You know what they say? I don't know if that proverb exists in English, but it is "a repeated drop of rain can break even a stone". It indeed seems less and less probable that a wolf would act like she does. For example, leaving me alive. On the other hand, she was succesful in convincing the village not to trust me much - so maybe it did not play such a big role anymore? And if I could be lynched, the better. I am very reluctant to give up my suspicion against her - it does not seem that I would get much support. However, if I do not vote her then, my choices for voting are not that simple. Neither morm, nor Isabellkya, despite the points Aganzir raises against her, look suspicious enough to me. SpM is looking better and more reasonable lately, while Kath would be a 50-50 choice. And that's it (brr! Just six of us - now that is indeed scary). So actually maybe not, Aganzir still seems to be the best option to me. I will think and look at other possibilities yet, but if I don't find anything better, then I'll probably stay with my vote against her.

[Aganzir]

Actually it was
Night 1 - Saucie
Night 2 - Boro

Morm is trusted because he was Valier's latest pick and didn't die with her. But of course we have no way to know if he really is a wolf and the hunter couldn't take him because an innocent had failed to contribute, or something like that.

The Cursed was Wolverised on Night 4, if the explanation of that Night's events is to be believed. On that basis, Legate can be neither one of the original Wolves nor the Cursed.
Well, I think the narration can point at Night 3 as well. And it would make so much more sense than Night 4.

I am probably going to vote Isabell today.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, it's rather "Roll Eyes" than "Big Grin"Well, it was :rolleyes: at the time. But :D with the benefit of hindsight. Perhaps we will look back on our current predicament with a smile, wherever we end up. But, for now, it is pretty dire.

Thanks for the clarification, Aganzir. I had forgotten that Farael had dreamed of Boro and that morm's status had been presumed from Valier's last hunt.

Well, neither Kath nor Izzie has spoken since I was last here, and I am not sure whether I can make it back before the deadline. I will try. But, for now ...

++ISABELLKYA

[mormegil]

Valier, I think it is clear enough from comparing posts 270 to 361 that the cursed was 'wolverised' (thanks for the new word SpM :D) on night 4. It seems most consistent just based on the narrative. The biggest question in my mind is was Rikae the cursed or somebody else? I'm thinking it was somebody else and not Rikae. The reason I say this is, if I remember correctly, Rikae had garnered quite a bit of suspicion up to that point so if that is the case it is a little less likely that they would have attacked Rikae. With that said, I still think there is a chance that the wolves were able to select their cursed, which would have been a twist indeed. Mac, could easily have thrown logic out the window and in the name of love chosen Rikae. The first is most probable and accordingly I will be looking for the cursed who was wolverised. Based on that I look for changes in behavior.

Agan has been a bit crazed throughout and I don't specifically remember a change but there are some causes of concern that have been brought up.

Kath is one that I don't know how to feel, she has seemed innocent throughout the first few days to me and I think that alone put her off my radar. For those who don't know Kath is a perrinial suspect of mine but I try to be objective and give her the benefit of the doubt. Well, to make a long story short, I've believed her innocent so I kind of stopped looking at her, plus with the low post count there hasn't been a lot to look at. I'm now wondering if she is the cursed. The one problem I have with that is I feel that I would know that and I would expect more effort from Kathwolf than I am seeing, but she is smart enough to realize that and double bluff that and show the minor amount of apathy she is showing.

Isabell is one that sadly I haven't analyzed yet but I hope to go and check and see if there is indeed a change in behavior like Agan spoke of.

Like I've said I'm not concerned about Legate or SpM at the moment. It is refreshing to see Legate be a bit more active and act the the inncocent, non-cobbler I had hopped to see but I'm not ready to trust him 100% but I do realize that he is not a wolf.

[mormegil]

I just got done reading Isabellkya's posts and I must say that she was indeed helpful before Day 4. She seemed thoughtful and willing to help the village and contribute. She actually made quite a bit of progress on getting Nerwen lynched. But there is a significant decrease in her helpfulness the last two days. It is this type of change that I would expect to see from the cursed turned wolf.

++Isabellkya

[Aganzir]

The tactics of the wolves during the night are pretty straight forward; they killed the Ranger so they could make a clean kill of the Seer toNight. I think the only thing which could be found strange is that the wolves' master of fog made the kill; rather than them.
This quote keeps bothering me. I don't know if this is of any help, I do this rather to sort out my own thoughts, but anyway.

No one died on Nights 3 and 4. One was a ranger protection, the other the cursed turning into a wolf. We don't know which.

Boro protected Mac on Night 3 and Farael on Night 4. It was not possible that Mac would have been the wolf pick, so it would make sense that the cursed was wolverised on Night 3.

If the cursed was turned on Night 3, the only option is that the wolves attacked Farael on Night 4 and found he was protected. Why on earth did they kill Boro the next night then? Were they afraid there might be some twist that allowed him to harm them or something? Or was Boro closer than Farael to catch the last wolf so that the wolves didn't care if he got one dream more? Or was Boro twisted in a way that allowed him to force the wolves to kill him?

If the cursed was turned on Night 4, the wolves couldn't know if Boro had really protected Farael. They had to take him out first, even if that meant Farael would get one dream more. What happened on Night 3 then? I have no idea.

What does Izzie's quote have to do with all this? She just seemed to be a little too knowledgeable about what the wolves have been thinking and doing.
It was expected here that the wolves would have gone after Farael who couldn't be protected that night (as everybody thought the wolves had tried to kill him the previous night), and now Isabell came telling that the wolves had to take Boro first. Because they couldn't know if Farael would be protected.

I don't really have the energy to speculate this more (and I doubt if it's even that useful), and I guess I'm being rather unclear anyway. Besides, I'm quite sure I forgot something.
Ah well,

++ Isabell

[Kath]

I can promise you that my lack of posting isn't apathy morm, though I suppose I could have tried a little harder. Mostly I've just been having surprisingly full days (and an irritating net connection at times).

Now then, I must vote and go, and whilst I hate to add to such a bandwagon the fact that we've seen so little of Izzy toDay and my earlier suspicion of her means I must:

++IZZY

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What does Izzie's quote have to do with all this? She just seemed to be a little too knowledgeable about what the wolves have been thinking and doing.
It was expected here that the wolves would have gone after Farael who couldn't be protected that night (as everybody thought the wolves had tried to kill him the previous night), and now Isabell came telling that the wolves had to take Boro first. Because they couldn't know if Farael would be protected.

Well, not necessarily. Personally, when I read this, a long time ago, I considered it as statement of facts - if the wolves did not know whether Farael was protected or not, it was obvious for them that they had to kill Boro first. For a villager who did not know whether the wolves knew that Farael was protected, such a villager could assume that either the wolves knew or that they did not and it does not seem suspicious to me when someone sides with one of these opinions.

Anyway, I don't think I am going to dig anything more and don't know whether I will remain here till the DL itself, so I am voting now

++Aganzir

with the hope that here the root of all our trouble lies.

EDIT: x-ed with Kath

[Isabellkya]

++Aganzir

Quite interesting that yesterDay you were pretty trigger happy to see me lynched, yet today you actually deemed it it neccesary to 'analyze' my posts before you made your vote.

............
I would post more, but I literally cannot. Yes I know I have been pretty quite; but as one of my posts stated I was feeling ill. Two days ago we had wind storms which led to a power outage, we didn't get internet back until late last night. Since then, being only halway back it continually reconnects itself, so it takes a ridiculously long time to get to a page.

[Isabellkya]

The tactics of the wolves during the night are pretty straight forward; they killed the Ranger so they could make a clean kill of the Seer toNight. I think the only thing which could be found strange is that the wolves' master of fog made the kill; rather than them.
This quote keeps bothering me. I don't know if this is of any help, I do this rather to sort out my own thoughts, but anyway.

...
What does Izzie's quote have to do with all this? She just seemed to be a little too knowledgeable about what the wolves have been thinking and doing.
It was expected here that the wolves would have gone after Farael who couldn't be protected that night (as everybody thought the wolves had tried to kill him the previous night), and now Isabell came telling that the wolves had to take Boro first. Because they couldn't know if Farael would be protected.

I don't really have the energy to speculate this more (and I doubt if it's even that useful), and I guess I'm being rather unclear anyway. Besides, I'm quite sure I forgot something.
Ah well,

++ Isabell

Going after a known gifted who may or may not be protected, is a bit risky. You can either get lucky and kill them, or you waste a kill. There is a much higher probability of killing the gifted's protector, leaving a clear path in killing the gifted; without wasting a kill. When you are a baddie, you don't have the luxury of wasting kills.

Anyone who has played many werewolf games would know this; it isn't special knowledge privy to only Wolves; yet I'm glad you pointed it out. Ignoring the obvious strategy is a bit on the denial side; almost as if you want to avoid it.

[the phantom]

The Day was quiet. Everyone spoke, but not much. The residents were tentative, confused, and anxious.

What little speech there was gave Isabellkya the feeling that the lynch would be swinging in her direction, and she slowly edged her way out of the conversation.

As the sun set, Kath noticed someone was missing. "Where's Izzy?"

Legate, SPM, and morm looked around in surprise. No one had spotted her leaving. "All right, we need to go look for her," said Aganzir. "Perhaps if we split into two groups and-"

*splash*

The villagers all rushed off in the direction of the splash, stopping only when they reached the shore. Izzy was swimming desperately towards the fog.

"It won't let you out!" yelled Legate. "Why bother?!"

"There's no telling what the fog will do to you!" bellowed SPM.

Izzy stayed her stroke and paddled to face them, and began yelling. "I don't care! I just want it over with! What good am I anyway?! I don't know how to help! I don't know what is happening! I don't even know-"

And then, as if some leviathan had grabbed her legs, she was jerked beneath the surface of the lake.

The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Kath- milliner
Legate of Amon Lanc- lamp-maker/fiddler
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might, shepherd– went missing upon execution Day 6 (?)
Eomer of the Rohirrim, gravedigger- dug his own grave, yet was not in it Night 7 (?)
Isabellkya, hen- swallowed by lake on Day 7 (?)

IT IS NOW NIGHT 8. YOU MAY NOT POST.

[the phantom]

Dawn was, as usual, misty and dim. The villagers met in the center of the village and found that Legate was missing.

Out of curiosity they made their way to his hut and looked inside. There was blood everywhere, but no Legate- in entirety, anyway. There were bits and pieces of the unfortunate fiddler everywhere.

"Where's the rest of him?" asked Aganzir, as she picked her teeth with what appeared to be a splinter of human bone.

"Eaten, no doubt," answered Kath, who was licking her lips as she gazed at the scene.

"Ah, yes, fiddlers taste excellent," said mormegil. "Or so I've heard," he added quickly.

The Saucepan Man merely belched and rubbed his full stomach.

"Work together!" said the Voice. "Discover the culprit now, before it is too late!"

"Or don't!" shouted the fog. "It matters not!"

(This is the final day, folks. Have fun. :))

The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Kath- milliner
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might, shepherd– went missing upon execution Day 6 (?)
Eomer of the Rohirrim, gravedigger- dug his own grave, yet was not in it Night 7 (?)
Isabellkya, hen- swallowed by lake on Day 7 (?)
Legate of Amon Lanc, lamp-maker/fiddler- eaten on Night 8 (?)

IT IS NOW DAY 8. YOU MAY POST.

[mormegil]

It does seem obvious that we still have the last wolf based on the narrative. With the premise, I wonder why the phantom hasn't revealed the other roles. I'm still considering one of the remaining two females as the most likely wolf. Saucie has been far too consistent and thoughtful to be a wolf, plus the only chance for him to be one was if he was attacked on night 4 and while possible I don't think it as probable. If I had to pick this moment I would think Agan to be the last wolf. I've given it a lot of thought over the past 24 hours and my gut is telling me Agan. The thing I keep coming back to is that I feel Kath is innocent and I believe I can read her better than most, however I once said that of Mithalwen and was dead wrong so perhaps I'm over confident but I'm apt to trust my instincts on this.

[Kath]

It seems our final baddie decided keeping Legate around wasn't worth their while. Perhaps they decided we simply weren't going to lynch him for them.

So, the final Day, and only once it's all over will we find out what has actually been happening with the deaths. Which means it's decision time on who here I think could even be a wolf. I am mildly amazed that for the whole game my suspicion of both Sauce and morm has been completely non-existant, it's just strange. And even though both have fooled me before they simply do not feel evil. Which leaves me with Aganzir.

Now, I have been voting through a method of deduction like that above recently and I would prefer not to really. So, I am going to bed now but I will return tomorrow having wandered through the whole thread and, hopeufully, having come to some better backed decisions.

[The Saucepan Man]

Gosh! I’m quite excited. I rarely ever make it to the final Day, at least as an innocent. :cool:

Excited - but completely bamboozled. The way that this game has gone, any one of you could be the final Wolf, and I find myself rather clueless here at the end of all things. All three of you have played major roles in the death of one of the known Wolves. All three of you voted for The Might on Day 6 and for Isabellkya yesterDay. The voting record is little help, alas.

It does seem obvious that we still have the last wolf based on the narrative.Well, if we went by the narrative, all four of us are Wolves! And I am not sure that I like the way that morm seems to begin each Day by insisting that the Cursed is still with us. For all we know, either The Might or Isabellyka could have been the last Wolf. Although I don’t think him a Wolf, it makes me wonder whether he has his own sinister agenda to pursue and is exhorting us to look for a Wolf who may well not exist in order to divert attenton from himself.

I also don’t like the way that he is so quick to jump to conclusions, and the same might be said of Kath too. ToDay is not a Day to rush into judgement, but one for careful consideration, not only of what has gone before, but also of what is said during the Day itself.

[mormegil]

Well, if we went by the narrative, all four of us are Wolves! And I am not sure that I like the way that morm seems to begin each Day by insisting that the Cursed is still with us. For all we know, either The Might or Isabellyka could have been the last Wolf.

Quite frankly in this game to avoid mass confusion in my brain I decided to go under certain assumptions after I've debated the issue sufficiently. So I try to clarify those assumptions for the day. Personally, I wouldn't be much for continuing to play if I didn't assume a wolf was still alive. I've talked at some length why I assume the cursed is the one still alive. The only chance of the cursed being dead is it being Rikae which is a possibility but I would say it is more probable that she was a wolf from the beginning.


I also don’t like the way that he is so quick to jump to conclusions, and the same might be said of Kath too. ToDay is not a Day to rush into judgement, but one for careful consideration, not only of what has gone before, but also of what is said during the Day itself.

Agreed, and I wouldn't call what I have done, or Kath to be honest, as rushing to conclusions. I like to think that I've laid out my most likely scenario in my mind and I will continue to move forward with that in mind. Agan, is my priority today then Kath and then SpM. If time permits between family and work I will take a good look at all of you. Honestly though, I'm not sure how much time I can allot. Between SpM and Agan, there are a lot of posts...Kath's aren't that many though.

[mormegil]

Here is the best effort I can give on Aganzir

Post 120 is her first post and talks about the seer and other possible roles that would be twisted. She begins to suspect Legate.

Post 126 it's interesting here because she points out the Nogrod/Mac thing and says that two bold wolves could pull this off and that they are possibly this bold. I'm not sure how this makes her look. If I assume that the cursed has been killed then this is very questionable if I assume, as I am assuming, that the cursed is the remaining wolf then this means nothing other than she spotted this wolf on wolf attack early on.

Post 131 she talks about a couple of trivial such as Zali and first day behavior but brings up Kath and oints out something about Kath saying 'She's not defending Mac' which stuck out to her and found it odd.

Post 159 has a post count and says of the remaining two she prefers Nogrod or Shasta

Post 162 she votes Nogrod and doesn't understand why people are suspicous of Nerwen. Notably she states that she is willing and ready to switch her vote to Shatsa.

Post 173 states who hasn't voted yet. Threatens Shasta to vote for him if he doesn't change his vote to Nogrod.

Post 216 She starts off by rejoicings that she has her first ever vote (odd) then she explains her vote and suggests that the wolves thought that Shasta was the seer and gave some explanation as to why this is the case.

Post 229 she talks a lot about the Mac/Nogrod thing again. If she is a wolf from the start then I see this as somebody who is trying to ride that wave to prove her innocence.

Post 248 states that she thinks Mac and Legate are guilty. Goes on to almost gloat over her the fact that she won't be lynched but Mac might be.

Post 253 she questions Isabell on her suspicions because Agan was on Isabell's suspect list.

Post 260 tells Isabell that she should look back to ost 216 to see her explanation for her reason for voting Nogrod.

Post 306 she is rather defensive and seems to get aggresive anytime somebody suspects her. She is also aggressive against Mac.

Up to this point she seems very aggressive and one tracked but innocent enough to me. I can see why she was gathering some suspicion at this point though. Being that Mac is guilty, yet it was unknown at this time her aggresiveness could be seen as rather odd but with the hindsight she looks quite good.

Post 310 she responds to Nerwen who is questioning her suspicions of Mac because he voted Nogrod. Realizes that she is on one track and that this is not a good thing.

Post 327 she gives her suspicions and thoughts of who is innocent. Most relevant are that she thinks Mac and Legate guilty, Nerwen and Rikae innocent

Post 329 goes after Mac again and votes for him.

Post 339 responds to Mac again. She seems avid to answer anything Mac says. She really is a laser beam on Mac.

Post 349 begs for somebody to switch their votes so she is saved and if she dies to please look at Legate and Mac closely.

Post 352 she retracts her vote and revotes for Mac. Proclaims her innocence.

This marks the end of day 3 and she is looking fairly innocent at this point and is going after Mac rather avidly, and that to me seems like somebody the wolves would think the seer. That fact alone makes me suspect her at this point. She never, in my opinion, made a great arguement about Mac but continued her single-minded pursuit of him. My guess is that the remaining wolves, Rikae and Mac thought her to be the seer and decided to kill her. Obviously she wasn't the seer which lends creedence to my theory. I hope to have time to review the remaining days but it is getting late. I will begin to get through what I can.

Post 411 she is the one that brings up the cursed being wolverised which could be perceived as either way of being a turned wolf making sure to point it out so as to help 'prove' her innocent or as a helpful innocent.

Post 413 tries to make an arguement that Rikae or Nerwen was likely the cursed turned wolf it seems to me to scream "it's not me!'

Post 421 is a post I don't fully understand as it is a bit of contextual post and I don't have the time to go back and review the whole posts she is talking about despite her quoting it.

Post 427 she decides that Rikae is a wolf. I think that a wolf Agan would be willing to go after her fellows but doesn't really go after either with the same gusto that she did the day before.

Post 429 votes Mac but again never established a viable arguement. Seems to have backed down on her attack of Mac. Agan seems to be the type that would have gloated over being shown that Mac was a wolf, yet she didn't do anything like that. She really did calm down her suspicion of Mac.

Post 457 she begins her suspicion of Isabell and renews her Legate suspicion.

Post 462 and 463 she brings up her attack on Legate. I only skimmed this due to time.

Post 480 she responds to my question about why she posted her suspicions of Legate so quickly. Stated that she had to do so quickly because she may not be back later, which I understand (this is 5 hours from the last post). It should be mentioned though I'm not sure it will help us but Rikae did vote for her on this day.

Post 509 states that she still thinks we should suspect and lynch Legate as he could be an evil twist. It's so obviously guilty looking that it makes one look innocent, yet she votes for Isabell. Agan is experienced enough to know that this overtly guilty looking behavior can work to help show you innocent because the though would be that no wolf would be so overt.

Post 517 switches her vote from Isabell to The Might. States that she is a stubborn innocent. She is still insistent upon Legate being a cobbler. I can understand this honestly as I think he could have been one too but I don't understand why she was so adamant about bringing him up continually.

Post 537 she says she's not surprised that Legate wasn't killed because a wolf would want to keep a possible cobbler. States she is still suspicious of Isabell.

Post 539 she has a long post, which I only skimmed, about her suspicions of Isabell. Thinks her mainly sensible but vascilates that she is a wolf and could be either and original or convert.

Post 544 states that she is likely going to vote for Isabell today.

Post 548 she goes over a little bit more about Isabell and votes for her.

Phew...I'm certain that I won't have time to get through Saucies posts...this took way too long. Around 2 hours. Anyway it seems that she does change her tone a bit on day 4. The fact that the wolves would have wanted to kill her on night 3 makes sense because she was so adamant about Mac. Her behavior did change and of the three she seems most suspcious. She was fortunate because she was moderately suspected before she was wolverised but the Mac and Rikae revelation from Farael she was able to slip under the radar and has been successful in hanging out on the fringes. Being helpful enough but not overly suspicious. I feel she is the final wolf. I will wait and see if I can look at Kath more closely but for now I need some sleep...5:30AM comes early.

[Aganzir]

Kath: unknown but innocent-looking.
morm: probably innocent at least until Day 2, after that the cursed was turned, innocent-looking anyway.
Saucie: innocent at least at the beginning, after that the cursed was turned, innocent-looking anyway.

I'm beginning to wonder if there are any wolves left. I know I am not a wolf and all of you just feel so darn innocent.

There's something from yesterday I want to answer despite the fact that the person who stated it is dead.
Quite interesting that yesterDay you were pretty trigger happy to see me lynched, yet today you actually deemed it it neccesary to 'analyze' my posts before you made your vote.
The Day before yesterDay I was abroad, sitting in a net cafe with just enough time to skim the thread and post.
I don't do an analysis as a reason for a vote I have already decided to cast- I want to know if I think someone is guilty even after I've concentrated on them properly.

Mormie's project then... Let's see if I can shed some light on it.
Post 216 She starts off by rejoicings that she has her first ever vote (odd)
I was not rejoicing I got my first vote, I was rather gloating over not being voted ever earlier (despite being a wolf twice, as Mac kindy pointed out). So not odd but conceited.
Post 306 she is rather defensive and seems to get aggresive anytime somebody suspects her.
As far as I recall I have always been aggressive when suspected, whether I'm a wolf or not.
Post 427 she decides that Rikae is a wolf. I think that a wolf Agan would be willing to go after her fellows but doesn't really go after either with the same gusto that she did the day before.

Post 429 votes Mac but again never established a viable arguement. Seems to have backed down on her attack of Mac. Agan seems to be the type that would have gloated over being shown that Mac was a wolf, yet she didn't do anything like that. She really did calm down her suspicion of Mac.
Tell me why you think it would have been necessary to keep coming up with points against someone the seer has already revealed a wolf.

Stated that she had to do so quickly because she may not be back later, which I understand (this is 5 hours from the last post).
12 am- I posted and went to sleep. 5 am- I woke up early enough to post again before leaving.

**

I hate to say this now because it will surely look like some kind of a revenge, but I started thinking about it already during last Night. Could it be possible that morm was the cursed? Boro's change on opinion on Day 3 was quite strange and the wolves noticed it (as can be seen of Nerwen's reaction). Morm had been quite after Nerwen anyway so it wouldn't have been that surprising if the wolves had decided to kill him.

Ok, time to go. I'll be back in some hours.

[The Saucepan Man]

I am becoming rather concerned at the lengths to which morm appears to have gone to condemn Aganzir toDay. It seems as though he is trying to muster all the points that he can as early as possible in an effort to convince the village to vote for her, which I rather think is precisely what a Wolf would want to do in the current situation.

And Aganzir looks like the obvious target for a Wolf trying to survive the last Day. The rest of us have hardly been suspected at all, whereas she has been under suspicion for much of the game, even over the last few Days. If I were the last Wolf, she is the one that I would put all my efforts into getting lynched toDay.

But I think it very unlikely that she is our remaining Wolf. She simply tried too hard to get Mac lynched in the first few Days for me to think her an original Wolf. It’s possible that she was the Cursed one, but her insistence on pursuing Legate, despite him being a known innocent (or known non-Wolf, at least) makes me think not. It was far too risky behaviour for a lone Wolf. The Wolf’s best bet over the last few Days will have been to merge in, be involved in the discussion, make reasonable points, avoid controversy and generally act like an innocent would in the circumstances. Which is precisely what morm has done. I have thought him innocent because he has come across so innocent. But I am beginning to whether he may Wolfishly have been pulling the wool over my eyes.

As for Kath, I have no idea. But I tend to think that she has simply been too quiet to be the last Wolf.

[mormegil]

Post 104 she talks about some of the first day main suspects, namely Farael, Shasta, Rikae, Nogrod and Nerwen. Seems that she feels Nerwen is the most suspicous of the group.

Post 121 she speaks to Boro about the way she analyzes things. She comments to Nogrod that there are some, like Valier, who are more hunch players than anything.

Post 127 She responds again to Boro who had responded to her. She simply explains that they have a difference of opinion and playing style and gives the root of hers.

Post 138 comes back quickly to vote. She votes Nerwen because she seemed jumpy, which is something I noticed and pointed out so obviously agree with. Day 1 Kath seems fairly innocent.

Post 222 she responds to Nerwen of her use of the word 'scream' and feels that Nerwen was screaming against whatever was said. I remember this and agreed with Nerwen's reaction as screaming as it seemed such to me too.

Post 239 gives her run down of how she feels about the village and notably finds Nerwen and Rikae in the top 4 suspects and that on Mac she 'just doesn't know' what to think or feel about him.

Post 292 states she should be back before the deadline but votes for Nerwen in case she cant' be back in time.

Post 338 decides to leave her vote for Nerwen. States:

I know that I will be preoccupied with Nerwen this entire game and here's a chance to know for sure. I hate that that's my strongest reason for leaving my vote as it is, but it's a strong one to me. I dislike getting bogged down on one person.

This marks the end of day three and I felt and still feel that Kath seems innocent to me. I can see that the wolves may have thought that with her suspicion of Nerwen they could view an innocent Kath as the seer especially the way she stated the above quote but I doubt it honestly.

Post 420 talks about the Farael revelation and wants to trust him because he has shown two wolves but also mentions how it could be a wolfish plot as he hasn't revelaed the ranger. I remember commenting on this too that Farael could have been either a wolf or cobbler type role hoping to lure the ranger and seer out.

Post 423 corrects her invalid assumption of how the ranger's death might effect the seer.

Post 442 votes Mac as this makes the most sense to her as either way we won't be losing a gifted.

I need to leave for 20 to 30 minutes, (I'm at work and need to do a few things and run elsewhere) I'll finish my post then on Kath (hopefully)

[mormegil]

Post 490 she states that she believes it's obvious that Farael is the seer. Votes Rikae and states that by normal rules Rikae and Mac are not lovers.

Post 510 suggest that perhaps their is a dueling wizards role going on that is unknown to most of us. Wonders if the remaining wolves knows of their master. Give the remaining list of villagers.

Post 522 questions if she missed something that SpM was a known innocent. Gives vote count. It's a tie between Agan and The Might. Says she has felt the arguement against Agan has been engineered from the beginning and that she doesn't really want to vote the Might either. She doesn't say who she would like to vote for. In fact up to this point, after the cursed was turned she hasn't stated who she is suspicious of really. States that if she must vote for one of them then she could see The Might as her vote because he has been quiet and with the number of loud wolves this would make some sense to her.

Post 526 votes for The Might stating that she doesn't really want to vote Izzy either. She feels the Might's style is more likely to be that of a wolves than Agan's.

Post 538 she isn't surprised that Legate is alive and doesn't seem certain that he was dreamt of. Asks for a summary of dreaming activity. Doesn't suspect SpM and me which she normally does. That leaves Legate, Agan, and Izzy. Of the three she wonders if Legate has been converted (again she didn't know the dream order) this could be an attempt to play dumb but I think it more likely that Kath has been skimming the posts a bit more than normal and missed that post.

Post 549 states that her inactivity is due to poor connectivity and states that she could try a bit harder. Votes Izzy basically because 'we've heard so little from her'. Not a very good reason in and of itself.

Post 556 states again that she does not suspect SpM and me so that really only leaves Agan. She hopes to sleep and be able to read everything posted to come to a good conclusion.

I simply don't see a change in playing style that would indicate a cursed nor do I see anything that makes me think Kath was a wolf from the beginning. She doens't seem to have her whole self in it. Usually an innocent or guilty Kath would but definately a guilty Kath. Plus I just don't feel that she's guilty which, for me on Kath, is usually accurate.

With that said and based on the fact that I don't have time to go over SpM's posts I think that Agan is the most likely. SpM is somebody I watch and read carefully, not only is he very lucid and helpful but he is somebody I don't by nature trust and feel I can read him fairly well and like Kath I just don't find him guilty. I've paid close attention to everything he has posted but I just don't feel it. While Agan doesn't feel incredibly wolfish to me I refuse to believe that we don't have a wolf among us. I think only Fea can be that cruel.

++Aganzir

[Aganzir]

If I were the last Wolf, she is the one that I would put all my efforts into getting lynched toDay.
And that means you are not the last wolf, eh? ;)

Mormie, lynching me now means that the village loses. But that's what you want anyway, isn't it? :p

Of those who haven't yet been targets for eager analysing, I find Saucie more innocent. So maybe it's about time I took a quick look on morm.

Day 1 he suspects Rikae, Nerwen and Farael and votes Boro.
Day 2 he brings forward the Nog-Mac theory. Suggests lynching Nerwen to find out what she is. Finds Mac innocent. Votes Nerwen.
Day 3 suspects Nerwen and Might the most. Says he thought the ranger was successful the previous Night, the narration is ambiguous and he doesn't want to get hung up on thinking if the cursed has been turned. Votes Nerwen.
Day 4 he says Mac might have been the cursed and Might could be the last wolf. Thinks Saucie is wise in being objective (a good way to appear uncertain whether he should trust Farael or the wolves). Is incined to believe Farael but keeps speculating if Boro and/or Farael could be a cobbler or a wolf. Then he finds Farael suspicious and votes him, but changes to Mac after pressure by Boro.
Day 5 considers Legate the cobbler. I know it was me who started it, but he was of great help in making the village not to trust a known innocent. Top suspects are Might and Eomer, suspects also Isabell and me. If we assume the game is continuing because there's still a wolf out there, all of his suspects were innocent. Votes Rikae.
Day 6 speculates if the wolves were able to choose their cursed. Is worried about Isabell but votes his top suspect Might.
Day 7 he trusts Saucie and suspects me and Isabell. Says the cursed was probably turned on Night 4 and is still alive. Votes Isabell, who strikes him as a newly-turned wolf.
Day 8 thinks I am the last wolf. Makes analyses of me and Kath and votes me.

**

Before Day 4 he had been spotting wolves quite nicely, so it'd be no wonder if the wolves had tried to kill him. Especially as Boro's behaviour pointed that at least either of them had something to do with giftedness.
While I think it's good that the first to claim to be a gifted isn't believed straight away, he was maybe a bit too uncertain to my liking. Being declared innocent by Boro he could behave about as suspiciously as he wanted without being suspected of wolvery. And there really was a chance Farael could have been lynched.
And as Saucie pointed out, getting me lynched today is definately the easiest way for the wolf to win.

Unless Kath or Saucie come and beg me to vote them before I leave, morm is probably the one to get my vote today.

[mormegil]

Mormie, lynching me now means that the village loses. But that's what you want anyway, isn't it

I love these threats Agan, they always help me know who I'm dealing with.

I find it interesting the Saucie states that he will be looking at me, which is fair and valid and Agan obivously jumps on and latches herself to that hoping that she will be able to actually get Saucie to vote thus securing her victory.

[The Saucepan Man]

Zoiks! I don't like that analysis of mormegil at all, Aganzir.

If we assume the game is continuing because there's still a wolf out there, all of his suspects were innocent. Given that (Rikae apart) there was one Wolf among nine villagers, that's hardly surprising. And it also assumes that you are not a Wolf.

Before Day 4 he had been spotting wolves quite nicely, so it'd be no wonder if the wolves had tried to kill him.That could apply to any one of the four of us left.

And as Saucie pointed out, getting me lynched today is definately the easiest way for the wolf to win.The again, after my earlier doubts about mormegil, increasing the suspicion on him is just about the best way that you have of winning, if you be a Wolf.

Hmm, now I'm torn ...

[Kath]

I'm half-inclined to agree with Aganzir, I'm still not convinced there's even a baddie left. Even if it seems a thing only Fea seems evil enough to do, remember that she is co-writing this!

Anyway, I've been having a look back over the thread with these three remaining possibilities:

morm
Day 1 ~ argued himself backwards and forwards, 'could be this but whatever', he seemed a bit pessimistic to start with. Did catch Nerwen's jumpiness, I think too early to be a wolf planning to lynch it's fellow, and did set out some suspicions early on. Made a good point about wolf discussions. Mentions some suspicions and defends himself a little, and then votes with his reasoning.

Sauce
Day 1 ~ a bit over-general to start with and when he came up with Nerwen being suspicious it does look more like it could have been a plan. The suspicion just felt a little forced. His voting post was full of analysis that felt normal for him, and innocent too.

Agan
Day 1 ~ not a huge amount of reasoning behind some of her statements but when there is some it looks good. Got most of the wolves this Day and that is either a fantastic piece of luck or something more than that. A post with not a lot of substance follows that. Lists who she'd be happy to vote for, I thought it could be an indication that she wanted to talk about it with wolf pals but then she could have said that through PM so that's bad reasoning. Does vote for someone she suspected, but offered a very quick defense of Nerwen at the same time.

Hmm, damn, I'm not going to have time to do this properly. I may get through the first two or three Days but unlikely further so I'll just have to hope our final wolf was an original one.

Anyway, after looking at the posts from Day 1 Sauce is at the top of my list in terms of what's been written. Let's see how the rest goes.

[Aganzir]

I love these threats Agan, they always help me know who I'm dealing with.
Me too, they're an essential part of my character.
But that was actually not a threat- I was telling the truth.

I find it interesting the Saucie states that he will be looking at me, which is fair and valid and Agan obivously jumps on and latches herself to that hoping that she will be able to actually get Saucie to vote thus securing her victory.
I am hoping to get Saucie to vote to secure my victory, that's true. Because at the moment I strongly feel that he's innocent and you aren't.

edit: xed with Saucie and Kath. What is it that after this quiet a day everyone's posting at the same time?

[The Saucepan Man]

Day 1 ~ a bit over-general to start with and when he came up with Nerwen being suspicious it does look more like it could have been a plan.As I explained at the time, I was short on time and suffering a dodgy internet connection. Nerwen leaped out at me, not because of her jumpiness, but because of her seeming excessive caution. Anyway, I hardly think it a basis for suspecting me for being wary of Nerwen. Just about everyone was at the time, as I recall - not least you.

[The Saucepan Man]

Erm - that quote in my previous post was, of course, Kath's, not mine. :rolleyes: :D

[mormegil]

Kath there is no sense in suspecting SpM for Day 1 activities is there? He was dreamt of on night 2 if I remember correctly. He could ONLY be the cursed, if a wolf which I don't think he is.

[Kath]

You must understand, I'm going through this without preconceptions or knowledge of what happened over the other Days. I'm taking each at a time. I know this is somewhat silly but I'm trying to get my head around people rather than possibilities. You're quite welcome to ignore what I'm writing, I suppose it's for my own benefit, though I like to let people know my thought processes.

[Kath]

morm
Day 2 ~ came up with the idea of Mac and looked innocent doing it, especially as it was reasoned. Kept with his original idea through the Day, coming up with good arguments as he went. Gave a somewhat helpful list, though there wasn't quite enough reasoning for my liking. Sideways jump to Nerwen, but with good reasoning. Good review of Nerwen and keeps up his suspicion of Mac as well.

Sauce
Day 2 ~ seemed thoroughly taken aback to have his theory ruined. Sounds a little more genuine than the day before. Found a new theory pretty quickly though and actually has some good points against Agan, sudden switching and all. Said a wolvish Nerwen wouldn't kill Shasta, and again if we had opposing teams he could be quite correct, even if he was wrong about Nerwen's wolvishness. Has picked up on Rikae and Mac early on too, and mentions Agan again. He's been pretty consistent actually which speaks in his favour. A list with more reasoning than morm's, and most of it looked good. I popped up on his suspect list and I suppose I can see why so I won't call him on it. Basically he seemed normal toDay and his vote made sense too, he's not one to vote if it won't do anything.

Agan
Day 2 ~ explains her vote from the Day before and does/doesn't come up with suspicion over Rikae. She does go quite strongly against many of our now known wolves and if she is one it does lend strength to the opposing teams theory. Votes Mac, which does seem a little bold for a wolf when she starts the vote for someone many are suspicious of and would happily vote for when she's already lost a member of her team. I don't think she would play such a bold wolf, except that as the Days have gone by I've been more convinced not all the wolves have been working together. And actually she might well play that bold a wolf, especially when more people were suspicious of Mac than her and it might have helped clear her name.

So at the end of Day 2 it's Agan at the top of my suspect list. Now, I don't think I have time to go through any more Day's properly so what I'm going to do is look at toDay and see what I think.

[Aganzir]

The problem is that we know both morm and Saucie were innocent on Day 2... The cursed was turned only after that.

[Aganzir]

I don't think I have much to say at the moment, so hey ho here we go.

++ mormegil

[Kath]

I know Agan, as I said, no preconceptions, no knowledge of what happened later. That is confusing me beyond belief and I haven't been able to get a fix on anyone, so I'm trying a new way.

morm
Final Day ~ while I don't agree that the narration indicates the wolf is the last baddie I do think he seems innocent. He admits his suspicions are based on feelings and as I have the same problem sometimes I find it easy to sympathise. Gives a thorough analysis of Agan and has got reasons now for his earlier feelings, and pretty good ones too, except that if Agan is a wolf I am inclined to think she was original rather than cursed. Votes Agan, and did go through things quite thoroughly and that feels innocent to me. morm is quite clearly convinced of Agan's guilt and so his later posts reflect that.

Sauce
Final Day ~ poked me and morm for 'jumping' and asks for deliberation. I think he has received that now and though he was probably right to mention it in general I don't think it what's morm or I were doing. Does come up with some good points about morm except that I disagree with his points about Aganzir which make some of the basis of his suspicion of morm.

Agan
Final Day ~ I don't entirely understand what she says at the end of her post about how morm might be the cursed even though it's Boro who changed in style. I don't like her jokey comments but that's personal. She says that morm has been spotting wolves well but so has she, so she's as likely a one to be targeted as him.

Well, after all that I'm actually a bit torn between Sauce and Agan. Agan is higher on my suspicion list though, and it's getting late, so:

++AGAN

[The Saucepan Man]

I think he has received that now ...Yes, thanks. And it has helped me to make up my mind.

For better or for worse ...

++mormegil

[Aganzir]

I don't entirely understand what she says at the end of her post about how morm might be the cursed even though it's Boro who changed in style.
It could quite clearly be seen that Boro had some information that wasn't accessible to everyone. I don't know what the wolves might have thought it was, but it definately meant something that he declared morm innocent. The wolves may have wanted to kill morm just because of that- and find him the cursed.

I can't really put that any better but it's quite clear in my mind.

[the phantom]

Just to remind everyone- 10 PM GMT marks the END of the Day.

That means that votes must be cast BEFORE that time.

9:59 GMT is fine, but if your vote says 10:00 GMT or later, it does not count.

[the phantom]

Also, you'll have to wait a bit for the Day-end narrative. I have to leave for a few minutes.

[mormegil]

--Aganzir

++Aganzir

[Aganzir]

I doubt. :)

[the phantom]

The voting was close between mormegil and Aganzir. Right before the sun set, morm voted for Agan, putting her into the lead.

SPM and Kath watched, assuming that Agan would recast her vote in response, but she did not. She merely smiled and sat down upon the ground to await her execution.

"It is finished!" cried mormegil as he leapt at Agan with a knife and plunged it into her back.

"Yes, it is," gasped Agan, as she turned and squeezed morm's hand and even seemed to wink at him as she died.

Night fell, and The Saucepan Man, Kath, and mormegil turned towards their homes.

The Residents-
Kath- milliner
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might, shepherd– went missing upon execution Day 6 (?)
Eomer of the Rohirrim, gravedigger- dug his own grave, yet was not in it Night 7 (?)
Isabellkya, hen- swallowed by lake on Day 7 (?)
Legate of Amon Lanc, lamp-maker/fiddler- eaten on Night 8 (?)
Aganzir, hangwoman- happy to be lynched on Day 8 (?)

IT IS NOW NIGHT 9. YOU MAY NOT POST.

(I will not let the final night drag out. I will post the end-game as soon as I am able.)

[the phantom]

The Werewolf padded silently towards the house of one of the two remaining villagers. The beast could barely keep from laughing. His brothers and sisters had been lynched early on. He couldn't recall ever seeing a village so incredibly adept at killing Werewolves. And so it was that when he was converted on Night 4 he did not like his chances for survival much.

But he had triumphed!

Before he entered the house, the Voice spoke to him. "Enter not into the house! Do not slay the occupant!"

The Werewolf laughed, and said aloud, "Why do you continue to speak, o Voice? I have won! You have lost!"

"You do not understand!" said the Voice. "I cannot speak more plainly! The power of the Master of the fog filters my words! Just trust me!"

The Werewolf paused in confusion. Surely the Voice was attempting to ruin his victory. But then why did his heart warn him to trust the Voice?

But the fog interrupted his thoughts. "Go! Kill!!" The Werewolf covered his ears, so loud was the fog. "The Voice seeks to delay you long enough to claim victory! Hurry!!"

The Werewolf leaped through a window into the house. The Saucepan Man was standing there in the middle of his bedroom.

"Wait!" cried SPM. "Don't kill me! I only wish-"

But the Werewolf leaped upon him and sunk his teeth into the tinker's throat.

The Residents-
Kath- milliner
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might, shepherd– went missing upon execution Day 6 (?)
Eomer of the Rohirrim, gravedigger- dug his own grave, yet was not in it Night 7 (?)
Isabellkya, hen- swallowed by lake on Day 7 (?)
Legate of Amon Lanc, lamp-maker/fiddler- eaten on Night 8 (?)
Aganzir, hangwoman- happy to be lynched on Day 8 (?)
The Saucepan Man, traveling tinker- slain on Night 9 (?)

IT IS STILL NIGHT 9. YOU MAY NOT POST

Ending narrative coming soon...

[the phantom]

Kath heard mormegil's victory howl and knew that the village was at an end. At last she could reveal herself. At last she could proclaim her true affiliation.

She ran out into the night, crying with a loud voice. "Werewolf! Werewolf! I wish to speak to you! I mean you no harm!"

mormegil heard and ran to meet her. He found her in the center of the village, and quickly she bowed to him. "I aim only to serve you, Master Werewolf!"

But mormegil laughed and kicked her in the stomach, driving the wind from her. "Serve me?! You must be joking. You have not helped me! Just yesterday you tried to kill me! But now that your death is at hand you try and switch sides?! Ha!"

Kath lifted her head and looked mormegil in the eye. "Please.... believe me... I did not know that you were the Werewolf..."

"Even if that is true, I owe you!" growled morm. "Your ancestors were most unkind to mine! It's payback time!"

Kath screamed as mormegil grabbed her and carried her over to a half filled rain barrel. Mormegil laughed maniacally as he forced her headfirst into the barrel and held her beneath the water. Kath's legs twisted violently and her arms thrashed, but all for naught. The strength of the Werewolf was too great.

(to be continued)

[the phantom]

Mormegil walked slowly towards the land bridge. When he reached it, he spoke to the fog.

"I have completed my task, Master."

"Yes, you have. You have done exactly as I asked."

"Then will we be moving on to another village?"

"No, I think not," answered the fog. "I wish for you to remain here."

"But, there is no one left here, Lord."

The fog laughed, and the Werewolf shivered at the sound of it. "You are different, Master- changed from previous villages, in which I played the part of Cobbler. And this fog you now wrap yourself with... I like it not. Why do you act so, and speak in riddles? And why did you divide the Werewolves in the village at the beginning? It is strange."

The fog laughed even louder. At last, it spoke. "Who do you think I am, Werewolf?"

Even as mormegil answered, he began to doubt the answer. "You are Sauron, Lord of Werewolves."

"Nay!" boomed the fog. "I am Ulmo."

"Ulmo?!" cried morm in shock. "But then... how... why would you order Werewolves to kill innocent-"

"There were no innocents in this village! Only Werewolves, Cobblers, and my three Gifteds. I have masqueraded as Sauron for the purpose of eradicating a great many evil men and women in one fell swoop."

"But then- the Voice!" said morm. "HE is Sauron! He's been telling us all along to unite. But we didn't listen!"

Ulmo laughed at the anguish of the Werewolf. But then mormegil began laughing.

"But I defeated you! Your three precious gifteds are dead, and I have emerged victorious!"

"My Hunter is dead, certainly. But did you see my Seer or Ranger die?" asked Ulmo. As he spoke, the mist on the land bridge cleared, and Farael and Boromir stepped forward with weapons drawn.

But even as they advanced on mormegil, another figure appeared. "Stop!" he cried, and mormegil recognized his true Master's voice- the voice of Sauron.

"You cannot slay this Wolf!" said Sauron. "You have broken the rules of Werewolf, allowing these two to live! They were selected by my Werewolves for death during the night, and you have unlawfully spared them! Mormegil won! You cannot rob him of his victory!"

"I can do as I please!" shouted the voice of Ulmo.

(to be continued)

[the phantom]

But then a third voice spoke. It did not shout, and yet it completely filled the ears of all those present.

"Speak no more. The Werewolf will be allowed to leave, as he did truly and lawfully survive the village. If any resident is to be awarded victory, surely he is deserving. The Seer and Ranger- though by law they should die, I will spare them. Their skill and bravery should be rewarded. However, they cannot claim victory. That much is clear. They should be but thankful for their survival."

"There is much that can be learned from this village. Let it serve as an example to other villages, for it shows forth the dangers of division as well as the power of secrets. Ulmo, and Sauron- go, and take your minions with you. I am the phantom, supreme Mod-God of Middle-Earth, and I have spoken."

The Winner
mormegil, woodsman/carpenter- (WEREWOLF, originally COBBLER)

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (COBBLER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (COBBLER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might, shepherd– went missing upon execution Day 6 (COBBLER)
Eomer of the Rohirrim, gravedigger- dug his own grave, yet was not in it Night 7 (COBBLER)
Isabellkya, hen- swallowed by lake on Day 7 (COBBLER)
Legate of Amon Lanc, lamp-maker/fiddler- eaten on Night 8 (COBBLER)
Aganzir, hangwoman- happy to be lynched on Day 8 (COBBLER)
The Saucepan Man, traveling tinker- slain on Night 9 (COBBLER)
Kath, milliner- revenge-killed by morm in endgame (COBBLER)

THE GAME IS OVER. YOU MAY SPEAK.

[Farael]

*sneakily sneaks up on Morm and stabs him visciously*

What? everyone else was bad, why couldn't I be bad as well?

/end_sillyness.

Ok, in all fairness, a huge kudos to Morm but then, the "good" villagers (meaning only us three gifteds =S) had absolutely no chance of winning! I mean, after I was dead, there was no-one with any good reason what so ever to lynch a wolf :p

Still, a very interesting game and I'd have to give some major kudos to my fellow Gifteds... I think we did a pretty darn good job with the odds stacked against us as they were

[the phantom]

For the couple of you who weren't Cobblers, I figured I'd clarify something...

Cobblers were under strict orders not to reveal. Also, they could not self-vote, nor could they vote obviously wrong (if the Seer was known they could not go against him, etc). So technically they were "Secret Cobblers" and not "Cobblers".

[The Saucepan Man]

Hehe. Did anyone mention that the phantom is a megalo-maniac?

You know, I suspected that something was up in the final two Days. Everyone was acting so - well - strangely. I thought that all of the remaining villagers, after the roles were no longer revealed, had some secret role, but I little guessed that we all had the same one (morm excepted).

Cogratulations morm :). Although you were lucky there that my internet connection (which has been dodgy throughout the game) died on me at the last minute. I was planning on retracting and voting for you in the last minute (albeit for the wrong reason - I thought you the most likely innocent out of the three :rolleyes:). Had the timing been right, who knows what would have happened. In fact, phantom, what would have happened if there had been three Cobblers remaining at the end?

I think we did a pretty darn good job with the odds stacked against us as they were.Yes, you did a good job, although the odds were not stacked against you. Everyone else was pretty much out for themselves, as it turned out.

A few questions, though.

Were there two Wolf teams?
If so:
- who were they - Nog and Nerwen, Mac and Rikae?
- did they know from the start that they were against each other?
- did they know who each other were?
- how come there was only one kill per Night?
- and which team picked the Cursed (Mac and RIkae, I guess, if they were a team)?

Oh and what on earth happened on Night 3, when Boro protected Mac? Was he attacked by the other Wolf team.

Hmm, I need to digest this some more ... :D

[The Saucepan Man]

Oh, and it is most amusing how, in a village full of Cobblers (all of whom were presumably trying to vote for the most innocent looking villagers), we managed to accumulate so many votes for Wolves and lynch two of them in the first three Days ...! :D

The again, I suppose that the Wolves themselves helped out in that regard.

[The Saucepan Man]

One more thought.

I think that we Cobblers should collectively claim a share in morm's victory. After all, it was our objective to see a Wolf survive until the end and we succeeded in that. ;)

[the phantom]

In fact, phantom, what would have happened if there had been three Cobblers remaining at the end?
You would be allowed to live, but would not be declared victors.

Who would have been declared the victor?

Me.
Hehe. Did anyone mention that the phantom is a megalo-maniac?
Ha ha ha! :D
Were there two Wolf teams?
Yes.

Nog and Nerwen
Mac and Rikae

They knew there was another team, but did not know who the other team was.

Each night both teams selected a kill and I rolled dice to see which team would be granted their kill.

On Night 3, Nog and Nerwen attacked Mac, an opposing Werewolf. But he was saved by the Ranger, who of course assumed Mac was innocent after that. But then on the same night the Seer dreamed of Mac and knew him to be guilty.

And the Seer had already dreamed of the Ranger, and thus knew to trust him. And the Ranger had been told the identity of the Seer from the outset of the game, and so he knew to trust the Seer as well.

So what we were left with was a Seer and Ranger completely opposed about Mac and yet knowing they should trust one another. It was an amazing turn of events.

[The Saucepan Man]

You would be allowed to live, but would not be declared victors.So, the Cobblers could never have won then ... :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

I just thought I'd mention that watching this game was FUN!! It looks so different when you know all the roles.

The narration was great fun as well. I tried to write everything to give one impression while at the same time keeping things muddy enough to go back and read after the fact and come across completely different.

[the phantom]

So, the Cobblers could never have won then ...
Why would you say that?

You are welcome to claim a share of morm's victory.

[mormegil]

*sigh* I feel the victory is so tainted. I actually felt like I accomplished something awesome that I've been longing to do since I began WW. Finding out that ultimately everybody wanted me to win lessens that for me. A fun concept but less of a victory for me than I had thought originally. The thought crossed my head days ago that we may all be cobblers. I PMed the Phantom today telling him I had the idea.

Great narration.

On a side note I did call TP a megalomaniac in the game text itself...how right I was:rolleyes:

Was me being cursed random? Whatever the Night 3 pick? or was I assigned the role from the outset.

[The Saucepan Man]

You are welcome to claim a share of morm's victory.Yes, I tried that. But I feel a bit of a phoney doing it, having voted in the lynching of two Wolves, voted for another when he was almost lynched and nearly cast the final vote to deny morm his victory ... :rolleyes: :D

But yes, excellent narrations, TP and Fea. I think that you achieved your objective. They certainly helped maintain the complete confusion factor (for me at least). I did particularly like Fea's narration featuring my re-telling of her game. :D

[Valier]

Oh my feakin' goodness!!! that was a riot to read.
It sucked that I got lynched so soon, and I just knew it would happen on the day I couldn't defend myself.
wow I was not expecting so many Cobblers, that was cool and very confusing as to who was who at the end.

Great game Phantom, Kudos to you!!
Everyone else great game as well, you all played splendidly.:D (well besides lynching me);)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'd like everybody to see the line that really sealed the deal, when he asked me to be co-narrator. The line that really made me want to write.

The narrative just needs to be vague, mysterious, and able to be reread after the fact in a completely different way.

Just that, hm? That's all? You know, just write narratives in which everything is completely the opposite of reality, in which nothing is given away, where nobody will have any idea what is going on, but which, when the game ends, will make total sense, and which, the entire time, is pleasant to read.

How could I ever have resisted the challenge of mistaken identities, strange weather phenomena, and misguidance disguised?

I must admit, I loved it. This game was fun to watch and fun to write for. You all did a great job serving your purpose. Which was obviously just entertaining me and my dear phantom.

I did particularly like Fea's narration featuring my re-telling of her game.

I particularly liked your re-telling of my game. I was honored to be remembered so long after that game had occurred. I couldn't resist including it, in even greater detail (which took a good bit of time to dredge up in my memory; I'd forgotten some of the key plot points). A bit of vanity and humbleness, neatly combined into one fun monologue. It doesn't matter! She's crazy! He's crazy! We're all bloomin' flappin' crazies 'round here! Wheeeeeeeee!

[Isabellkya]

Wow.. just wow.. soo many Cobblers. Good job Morm, and thanks TP and Fea for a good game.

First time being a Cobbler.. err secret Cobbler and I must say I was most confused as to how to do it right. I was so sure that Nerwen was actually innocent.. when I saw she was a wolf.. I wanted to bang my head against the screen. :P

[Aganzir]

The thought that we were all cobblers first occurred to me just after day 1. I actually considered starting to drop wolf hints to some players (Legate and Shasta, mainly). :D

My goal was to get lynched on the last day. So if morm hadn't retracted and voted me, I would have retracted him and voted Saucie- it wouldn't have mattered then if Saucie had managed to come back. ;)

Anyway, thanks for a wonderful and very interesting game & narrations, phantom and Fea! And congratulations to morm. :)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Why did I have to die first? :(

[The Might]

Oh man... I hope there will be a good old normal game after this cause this one really confused me.
I was quite sure Nerwen was a wolf so tried to defend her somehow in the beginning, unfortunately failed at that.
Then I actually thought that Boro and Farael were bluffing and so voted for Mac.
And afterwards I really didn't know what to think...figures why?!

Good game everyone, especially Farael, who did a great job as a seer.
In the end it really would have been near to impossible for the 3 gifteds to win this game...and they were actually quite close. :eek:

[Mithalwen]

I loved following this game and have to say that all the ordos being cobblers actually made them all play "properly" IE speak out and not worry about own necks. That is probably why you were so successful.


Brilliant utterly brilliant :D

[Farael]

The thought that we were all cobblers first occurred to me just after day 1.

Why didn't you reveal as a Seer on Day 3 then? I've always wondered why all cobblers don't do just that. Day 3 you come out and say "I dreamt of two wolves and it's too much information to keep to myself..." and just name two people that you think are not wolves.

That'll probably push the true seer out of hiding, and if you don't manage to get him lynched that day, the wolves will get to it soon enough!

[mormegil]

Why didn't you reveal as a Seer on Day 3 then? I've always wondered why all cobblers don't do just that. Day 3 you come out and say "I dreamt of two wolves and it's too much information to keep to myself..." and just name two people that you think are not wolves.

That'll probably push the true seer out of hiding, and if you don't manage to get him lynched that day, the wolves will get to it soon enough!


We were specifically instructed not to do anything crazy so I felt that would qualify as crazy.

[The Saucepan Man]

I feel the victory is so tainted. I actually felt like I accomplished something awesome that I've been longing to do since I began WW. Finding out that ultimately everybody wanted me to win lessens that for me. Don't be too hard on yourself morm. You had me fooled. I thought you innocent, which is why I voted for you! :D

My goal was to get lynched on the last day. So if morm hadn't retracted and voted me, I would have retracted him and voted Saucie- it wouldn't have mattered then if Saucie had managed to come back.In which case, I would have been quite happy to leave things as they were. I had it in mind that it might be possible to get myself lynched on the final Day, and even tried to act slightly suspiciously without being too obvious, but everyone resolutely refused to suspect me (which presumably meant that you thought me a Wolf). My original plan, had morm left Legate alive, was to go strongly against him using the argument that the Wolf was probably dead and he was the one doing the killing.

I was quite sure Nerwen was a wolf so tried to defend her somehow in the beginning, unfortunately failed at that.Yes, Nerwen was the only Wolf that I felt reasonably sure about. With Mac, I kept swinging one way and then the other, which is why I didn't vote for him at first, despite feigning suspicion of him. Unfortunately, it served to add to the pressure on him, which seems to have helped convince Farael to dream of him. :(

Then I actually thought that Boro and Farael were bluffing and so voted for Mac.I had very little doubt that Farael and Boro were telling the truth. It seemed perfectly logical that Farael would dream of me first Night and, despite my best attempts to argue otherwise, I thought his story very plausible. Hence my vote for him. :D

... all the ordos being cobblers actually made them all play "properly" IE speak out and not worry about own necks.Actually, I was quite concerned about my own neck up until the last two Days. I always think that, unexpected events aside, the best job a Cobbler can do is to survive until the last Day and then try to vote with the Wolf. Although the importnace of having the final vote in this game made that slightly more difficult than normal.

Why didn't you reveal as a Seer on Day 3 then? I've always wondered why all cobblers don't do just that.Speaking for myself, I did consider revealing on Day 4 to try to counter your own reveal, but it is quite a difficult thing to pull off and, what with it being New Year's Eve, I just didn't have enough time to make it convincing enough.

[The Saucepan Man]

We were specifically instructed not to do anything crazy so I felt that would qualify as crazy.That's a fair point. Posing as the Seer might have been construed as suicidal behaviour, which was off limits. Although it might be argued in the alternative that, as long as there was reasonable doubt (and therefore not obviously suicidal), then it was legitimate for a secret Cobbler to pretend to be the Seer.

[Aganzir]

But I feel a bit of a phoney doing it, having voted in the lynching of two Wolves, voted for another when he was almost lynched and nearly cast the final vote to deny morm his victory ...
Ha ha, well what about this then?
I could actually say the same to you: have you forgotten so quickly that I have voted for a wolf every single day?

We were specifically instructed not to do anything crazy so I felt that would qualify as crazy.
Me too.

I admit counting too much on the thought that Mac wouldn't be a wolf thrice in a row. But Mac and Nog's argument on Day 1 looked so pre-planned that I thought it could be possible they were the hunter and ranger and deliberately taking distance. Of course the thought of two teams never occurred to me.

but everyone resolutely refused to suspect me (which presumably meant that you thought me a Wolf).
I thought you would have been our safest lynch- I was fairly sure that either Kath or morm was the wolf (my logic said it was morm but intuition that Kath). I have no idea, though, why I never went after you.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, some questions to the phantom.
In the role pm you said we were to appear as innocents but there was one situation in which you could have allowed it to change. What would that situation have been?
And would the game have ended if we had killed the wolf or would we have continued lynching one another?

And to the wolves... Which team killed which person?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

would we have continued lynching one another?

I asked him that. He said "Probably."

Well... he said more than that, and it was funny, but you'll have to ask him about the last two thirds of his response.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hehe. Did anyone mention that the phantom is a megalo-maniac?

Maybe rather maniac than megalo :rolleyes:

Oh man... I hope there will be a good old normal game after this cause this one really confused me.

Seconded. :rolleyes:


I loved following this game and have to say that all the ordos being cobblers actually made them all play "properly" IE speak out and not worry about own necks.

Not really. Personally I had a big problem with that and I am sure I played totally unnaturally. Agan, you really spotted something strange on me and/or did you add two and two and guess that we are all cobblers?

My original plan, had morm left Legate alive, was to go strongly against him using the argument that the Wolf was probably dead and he was the one doing the killing.

Funnily enough, of course, as a Cobbler, I hoped to get you to do that :D As much as I wanted Agan to get people to lynch me, the best on Day 7 or if I survived, then the last day (as seemingly everyone hoped).

Concerning Wolves, I was sure Mac is one from Day 1, later from Day 3 I also thought about Rikae. I thought both Nog and Nerwen innocent. In the last phase, I was quite inclined to think that Morm is a wolf (and I was quite happy that everyone was inclined to trust him), however, there were moments when I was not sure if there could not be anyone else (namely SpM on the Day when Farael revealed himself and Kath later).


That's a fair point. Posing as the Seer might have been construed as suicidal behaviour, which was off limits. Although it might be argued in the alternative that, as long as there was reasonable doubt (and therefore not obviously suicidal), then it was legitimate for a secret Cobbler to pretend to be the Seer.

No way. If they revealed you lied, you will be lynched and you will be revealed as ORDO - that would be really strange and will probably ruin TP's main purpose, or at least undermine it, as all would wonder why an ordo did such a thing, concluding that TP lies by saying you are an ordo. And the other cobblers, of course, will start to be suspicious.

Anyway, that was a funny game... but phantom, despite the fact I really liked it, I am hereby saying, and I MEAN it, that you will NEVER ever get me to play YOUR game again. NEVER!

And btw great job, Gifteds, especially Farael. If you were not in a village full of cobblers, I am sure you could have won...

[Macalaure]

Go morm! You brought home the victory for us!

Oh, and it is most amusing how, in a village full of Cobblers (all of whom were presumably trying to vote for the most innocent looking villagers), we managed to accumulate so many votes for Wolves and lynch two of them in the first three Days ...! In a way, that's a compliment to the wolves. We all seemed to have managed to be appear so innocent that the cobblers wanted to lynch us. :rolleyes: :D

But Mac and Nog's argument on Day 1 looked so pre-planned that I thought it could be possible they were the hunter and ranger and deliberately taking distance. Of course the thought of two teams never occurred to me.

As a wolf, I was happy that I could take the advantage of being able to do some honest wolf-hunting during the days and appear innocent by it. I was absolutely sure about Nogrod's guilt after his reply to me. It's funny: it seems like I was the only one who wanted to lynch him on Day One because he actually found him wolvish!

Why did I have to die first?

Sorry about that.... we didn't really have a clue who to kill in Night Two, and we thought you might have been gifted. The one we tried to kill during Night Three was Eomer, by the way.

Two questions for Nerwen: did you try to kill me because you found me innocentish/seerish or because you thought I was a competing wolf. And who did you attempt to kill the first night?

Last but not least: Kudos to Farael! You and Boro clearly played best in this game!

PS: I knew there was something wrong with Aganzir. Although, considering the fact that there was something wrong with almost everybody, this doesn't seem like a great accomplishment. :D

[Volo]

Oh, and it is most amusing how, in a village full of Cobblers (all of whom were presumably trying to vote for the most innocent looking villagers), we managed to accumulate so many votes for Wolves and lynch two of them in the first three Days ...!

The again, I suppose that the Wolves themselves helped out in that regard.
Indeed! And I find this a bit depressing... :rolleyes:

SPM, you really haven't changed since Rikae's game. ;):D

An interesting game, but it was a pity that the players weren't allowed to reveal their roles to outsiders...

[Mithalwen]

The thought that we were all cobblers first occurred to me just after day 1. I actually considered starting to drop wolf hints to some players

I actually was sure at one point that you were a wolf because I knew the gifted by then and you seemed not cobblerish and therefore must be a wolf. :rolleyes:

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

An interesting game, but it was a pity that the players weren't allowed to reveal their roles to outsiders...

Yeah, and you would laugh at us as well! Forget that. One phantom and some sidekicks of his were quite enough.

And one more thing. I am not quite sure if morm's victory is a positive thing for us Cobblers. Yes, a Wolf has won, but I would say we should not celebrate the fact that one Wolf has won, but rather be happy that at least one Wolf remained till the end, otherwise we could already be kicking ourselves what miserable Cobblers we are. The last thing that remains for our professional pride is the fact that at least morm remained alive. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

It's starting to make sense now...

After being lynched on Day1 I just couldn't believe it. Was I playing that badly? I didn't think so. But yes, gathering all those votes from cobblers (and one wolf) that's more understandable. :)

Mac I must agree with you at least on one thing. Your first post screamed wolf to me and I was (maybe too) happy to go after you then. So I was doing some pretty sincere wolf-hunting there as well. And ending with Mac and Rikae as my main candidates wasn't that bad on the basis of Day1. I indeed PM'd Nerwen before being declared dead that she should try to go for the two so I believe Nerwen was behind the attack on Mac on that Night.

I also said to tp that there was something that was overall strange in that voting on Day1. I can now see why that was.


I don't remember reading a game I have dropped early on this enthusiastically! At one point I remember making tallies about voting just to stay on top of things while reading. Sadly I've had very busy days lately and lost much of the suspense of the last Days.


But excellent game indeed! (if sadly short from my part)

A bow to phantom for a genuine idea and to Fea for intriguing narrations.

And Farael sure was phenomenal. Even if I were a wolf I started to symphatise the villagers because of him and Boro. Sadly that was so wrong as there were no other goodies to symphatise. :rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

Legate!

When you suddenly turned around and retracted to vote for me in the end of the Day1 I almost yelled out "et tu mi Brute!" to my computer as I couldn't believe you could be doing that on those grounds... :D

I can see the point now... :p

Well done!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

When you suddenly turned around and retracted to vote for me in the end of the Day1 I almost yelled out "et tu mi Brute!" to my computer as I couldn't believe you could be doing that on those grounds...

I can see the point now...

Well done!

Yes ;) Actually, I was so convinced the whole Day that you are innocent, that I just yelled "Yay!" at the moment I saw your last post, "Now he made a mistake, this is a good thing to accuse him of! Oh Noggins, Noggins, how could you make such a slip?"

I am really sorry you died that early - but I'm sure you understand. Looking at it from my point of view, an innocent Nogrod who has this close to be lynched, and I am (as I thought) the only Cobbler in the village, and I can do that - now that would be a wonderful thing to do, wouldn't it? :)

[Volo]

After being lynched on Day1 I just couldn't believe it. Was I playing that badly? I didn't think so. But yes, gathering all those votes from cobblers (and one wolf) that's more understandable. :)
You mustn't forget that you hadn't slept the preveous night...

It sure is tempting to try the style I used on the first Day of SPM's game, which is to vote the person you suspect the least
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in cases unlike Farael 's revelation. I'm glad Mac didn't try to impersonate the Seer and did find it odd that Farael wasn't trusted outright for the lack of a competing "Seer".

[Nogrod]

Oh Noggins, Noggins, how could you make such a slip?I'm not sure about the slip you mean... but actually I did blunder badly there. (Okay, just a few hours of sleep and all that) But I really could have saved myself at the last minute by retracking and revoting. I had a minute, well not a whole minute but anyway and I realised it only too late. It was partly due, I think, to the fact that I had made a decision not to vote either Nerwen (my mate) or Shasta (whom I felt bad for his track-record of being always voted on Day1) so I needed to focus on something else which meant throwing in a new candidate - and why not a rival wolf then? But I had one-tracked my mind with this so that I didn't notice my chance when I had the seconds to act (as it would have required a vote for either Nerwen or Shasta... eg. Shasta).

But as I said before: well done. That was a reasonable move from you Legate. But at that time I had no idea that you - and indeed the rest of the village - were cobblers. So thence my reaction then. :D

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm not sure about the slip you mean... but actually I did blunder badly there.

Well, I meant in this (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=540708&postcount=164) post and the one after that, I really considered it silly that you mentioned Rikae's goodbye words "be good, for goodness' sake" - I was sure it was some momenary lapse of reason from you as an innocent, because basing your vote for her on this (apart from other things) was nonsense, but I thought it a good thing to base my retraction for you on. Of course, by swaying it a little to how it suits me.

[Farael]

Ah yes... the day of my revelation. I had meant on commenting on this, but then I got all caught up on what was happening on the village.

I think I owe y'all an apology 'cos I did not think many pleasant thoughts of most of you that day.... was I ever thinking the whole barrow downs had gone brain-dead!!my oh my... and Legate you helped the wolves more than what you'd know... the day I revealed, and having two "known" ordos, I figured that making sure they were trully ordos was more important than finding the last wolf, as I knew they were likely to be trusted inherently and may have coasted to a win if they had been the cursed. It would've been a toss-up as to whom I'd dream of, Morm or Saucie, but odds are I would've dreamt of Morm as SPM had seem ordo-ish to me.

However, your reasoning for voting me was just awful "I would feel bad for Lynching Macalaure and finding him an ordo while I wouldn't feel as bad voting for Farael and finding him the seer" and so I figured I should probably dream of you as there was something going on :p GAH! you cobblers you

[The Saucepan Man]

No way. If they revealed you lied, you will be lynched and you will be revealed as ORDO - that would be really strange and will probably ruin TP's main purpose, or at least undermine it, as all would wonder why an ordo did such a thing, concluding that TP lies by saying you are an ordo. And the other cobblers, of course, will start to be suspicious.I'm not so sure that it would have spoiled phantom's ruse. There were enough strange things going on, and the likeliest explanation would have been some secret role which would not be revealed to the end. It's a question of where to draw the line. It might be said, for example, that voting for you (a known innocent) would have been against the strictures laid on us, and I even wondered for a moment whether voting for Farael on Day 4 was strictly within the rules (I decided it was, clearly). Causing confusion and trying to get oneself lynched are, depending on the circumstances, two important weapons in a Cobbler's armoury. Indeed, it is hardly surprising that many of us did not excel in our Cobblerdom, given that some of the oft-used Cobbler tactics were simply not available to us.

SPM, you really haven't changed since Rikae's game.Well, I can claim to have had a lot of experience as a Cobbler. This must be about my fourth Cobbleresque outing ... although I am not sure if this one really counts. And what is it about me that I am almost always evil if I have a role? Four times a Cobbler, three times a Wolf, once a Hunter and never a Ranger or Seer :(

I also said to tp that there was something that was overall strange in that voting on Day1. Well, I certainly felt something strange was going on throughout. All those Wolf-on-Wolf votes! I think that The Might was the only villager never to have voted for a Wolf (with the exception of Rikae, which was unavoidable). Which makes him top Cobbler! :cool: I did wonder at one point whether the Wolves had been instructed that they could only vote Wolf-on-Wolf, but there were some votes (only some, mind) which didn't fit that theory. But it made the voting record very unreliable and so made Wolf spotting even more difficult.

It sure is tempting to try the style I used on the first Day of SPM's game, which is to vote the person you suspect the least Clearly that's the standard Cobblery approach. The problem I found (and it was particularly acute in this game) was that, every time I tried to come up with arguments to suspect someone that I thought innocent, they ended up looking quite plausible, leading me to doubt my original conclusion and start believing the person that I originally thought innocent to be a Wolf (that happened with my views on Mac a few times).

I think I owe y'all an apology 'cos I did not think many pleasant thoughts of most of you that day.... was I ever thinking the whole barrow downs had gone brain-dead!!my oh my... Teehee. I did feel quite bad about my vote ... for about a second. ;)

[Farael]

Teehee. I did feel quite bad about my vote ... for about a second. ;)

Saucie you are trully, fully and verily evil....ly

[the phantom]

STARTING ROLES

WW TEAM 1- Nogrod & Nerwen
WW TEAM 2- Mac & Rikae
SEER- Farael
RANGER- Boromir
HUNTER- Valier
COBBLERS- Aganzir, Azaelia, Eomer, Isabellkya, Kath, Legate, morm, Shasta, The Might, SPM

GAME SUMMARY

NIGHT 1
Farael's dream = SPM, appears Innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)

DAY 1
Lynch = Nogrod, Werewolf

NIGHT 2
Farael's dream = Boromir, Ranger
Boromir protects = Farael, Seer
Nog/Nerwen kill choice = Rikae, Werewolf
Mak/Rikae kill choice = Shasta, Secret Cobbler
Actual kill = Shasta, Secret Cobbler

DAY 2
Lynch = Valier, Hunter
Hunter Choice = morm, Secret Cobbler
Killed by participation rule = Azaelia, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 3
Farael's dream = Mac, Werewolf
Boromir protects = Mac, Werewolf
Nerwen kill choice = Mac, Werewolf
Mac/Rikae kill choice = Eomer, Secret Cobbler
Actual kill = Mac, Werewolf (protected by Boromir so no death)

DAY 3
Lynch = Nerwen, Werewolf

NIGHT 4
Farael's dream = Rikae, Werewolf
Boromir protects = Farael, Seer
Mac/Rikae kill choice = morm, Secret Cobbler (Cursed)
Actual kill = morm joins Werewolf team

DAY 4
Lynch = Mac, Werewolf

NIGHT 5
Farael's dream = Legate, appears innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)
Boromir protects = doesn't matter
Rikae/morm kill choice = Boromir, Ranger

DAY 5
Lynch = Rikae, Werewolf

NIGHT 6
Farael's dream = Eomer, appears innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)
morm kill choice = Farael, Seer

DAY 6
Lynch = The Might

NIGHT 7
morm kill choice = Eomer, Secret Cobbler

DAY 7
Lynch = Isabellkya, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 8
morm kill choice = Legate, Secret Cobbler

DAY 8
Lynch = Aganzir, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 9
morm kill choice = SPM, Secret Cobbler

ENDGAME
morm kills Kath, Secret Cobbler

[the phantom]

Why did I have to die first?
Heh heh. Yeah, someone has to, and it always stinks for them.

But remember, I told you when you died that it was actually a good thing in disguise. Now do you see why?

The night you died, Nog and Nerwen chose to attack Rikae- another WW! Your death saved her neck.
In the role pm you said we were to appear as innocents but there was one situation in which you could have allowed it to change. What would that situation have been?
If one of the gifteds went and violated the participation rule, I would have authorized a random Cobbler to do anything he/she pleased.
An interesting game, but it was a pity that the players weren't allowed to reveal their roles to outsiders...
You should have pmed me, Volo. If you would have sworn yourself to absolute secrecy I would have let you in on the joke.

Great play from everyone, by the way! You cannot believe how amazing it was to watch the action with full knowledge of roles.

Yes, I put Mac and Rikae together on purpose.

Yes, morm was Cursed from the beginning. However, if the WWs would have selected someone else that night I was going to flip a coin to see if that person would be the new Cursed.

I had Farael and Boromir "survive" the game partly because a Cobbler broke the participation rule.

And don't feel too bad, Azaelia. Your timing mistake was an honest one, and quite frankly I would've been disappointed if I was not given a chance to dispatch someone with Mod-fire. I did it to Lhuna in the first game I modded, and it was fun, and I was itching to do it again.

[the phantom]

And special thanks to Fea. My schedule got crazy a few times, and I could not have made it through the game without her. And even if I could have, I still would have wanted her to write for me.

Excellent job!

*clap clap clap*

[Aganzir]

Agan, you really spotted something strange on me and/or did you add two and two and guess that we are all cobblers?
I never thought you were a wolf but you were certainly strange- in a cobblerish way. What made me sure was when you said I wasn't suspicious. ;) (I'm not sure if you thought I might be a wolf. It was mostly the way you said it.)
I thought it unlikely that there would be two cobblers and, as there had been other weird persons as well, the idea that we all were just occurred to me and seemed to make so much sense.

As much as I wanted Agan to get people to lynch me, the best on Day 7 or if I survived, then the last day (as seemingly everyone hoped).
I was quite sure Farael was going to dream of you but I was hoping the wolves would kill him. My intent was to make also myself look bad by wanting so vocally to lynch an innocent when there were quite few days left to find the last wolf.

I actually was sure at one point that you were a wolf because I knew the gifted by then and you seemed not cobblerish and therefore must be a wolf.
:D That's why I kept labelling Rikae innocent (even with the risk of her being a gifted).

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hi everyone. Good game. I really enjoyed most of it (though I must admit my interest lessened when roles were not discovered on death).

Very unique idea, phantom. I like the whole Ulmo story.

[Cailín]

I'm very relieved most of my theories, thoughts and brilliant plans were never made public and only discussed in private. The mods and audience would have been even more amused about our cluelessness (and at times, excitement because we seriously believed we'd figured it out). No, I am not going to share.

Good game everyone.

Yours,

Eomer's "little bird"

[Nerwen]

Greetings, all! I just got back from a trip and I've been reading through all the posts. I do think it's funny that the fact that just about everyone was evil actually facilitated wolf-hunting in the first part of the game!

Two questions for Nerwen: did you try to kill me because you found me innocentish/seerish or because you thought I was a competing wolf.

We suspected you and Rikae on Day 1. I saw no reason to change my suspicions as the game unfolded– however, the strange way other people were acting led me to believe we had at least a couple of secret cobblers (though I never realized it was everybody). I guessed Farael was the Seer– which is why I tried to get on side with him. I meant to leave him alive until I'd dealt with the other team.

Ah, well. Best laid plans...