Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Aganzir]

But I rather stay up late and post, and just vote in the morning.

I didn't expect Kath to die. A kill that leaves practically no tracks it is, at least... Anyway, did the ranger protect her on night 2? It sounds likely but I don't think we can be completely sure of it. The person the ranger protected might have become a wolf (though in my opinion it would have been unfair to turn a known innocent), or the wolves might have wanted to make the ranger feel insecure about that person's innocence.

I feel pretty positive about Nilp's guilt. Yesterday I said he and Nerwen looked like fellow wolves, and I still think so, the more as Nerwen was revealed to be a wolf. Also, I wonder if I should start watching Eönwë a bit more closely now, since last night I had a dream he and Nilp were the wolves. ;)

Anyway. I read through the thread during the night and made some notes (and if Nog even starts saying that I must be a wolf because an innocent wouldn't spend time on it when she can't be certain of her own survival, I'll get angry :p).

Kitanna is bugging me. Her first post is too random to sound innocent. I don't follow her logic - what on earth is suspicious in being eg. the second to vote someone or the one whose vote causes a tie? But then in other posts she just looks so innocent that I have no idea what to think of her, and she voted for Nerwen on day 1 when there was a chance that she might have been lynched, given the amount of suspicion she had gained even then. I'm totally at loss.

I think Nogrod has a good point about people backing off from suspecting Nerwen.
When I wrote this, I thought those (well not all of them, but it was a possibility) suspecting and later backing off from Nerwen might be wolves testing the ice (this was thought assuming that Nerwen was innocent), or fellow wolves who had agreed to suspect each other a little. So IC reasons or not, I'm wary of those. Especially Nilp, but that wasn't a surprise.

Nilp found everyone who voted for Mith on day 1 suspicious. He also thought Rikae's vote for Nerwen (with good reasons, in my opinion) was eyebrow-raising. I don't know if Nilp would be so obvious as to suspect everyone who suspected his fellow wolves, and it doesn't make me any more certain about Mith's guilt. However, his opinion of Rikae's vote makes me more certain of his own guilt.

The most suspicious thing about Form is that he keeps insisting at least one wolf voted for Sixth and bases his case on that.
Just the same way I could say that statistically it is likely that at least one wolf is among the four first persons on the player list (excluding myself), and analyse Nilp, Kitanna, Shasta and Boro, being confident that one of them is a wolf.

Somehow I feel uncomfortable with how Eomer seemed to be trying to assure EW was suspicious, not a wolf but maybe the cobbler, yesterday. It was pretty clear EW would be the easy lynch, and it looks like Eomer was just trying to find a reason to justify a vote for him.
Or maybe it's just that I didn't find EW particularly suspicious and didn't really understand why others did. Anyway, I don't like it anyway.

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Innocent
Boro
Shasta
Nogrod
Rikae
Mith
Eönwë

Guilty
Nilp
Form
(Ooh see the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl is coming! A pity that Nerwen is dead already.)
Kitanna (I rather label her as guilty than innocent. Though I won't be voting for her yet.)

Neither
Eomer
Durelin
sally
Ka

**

Psst, Brinn, you still have Kath on the living list. ;)

**

Off to sleep. Mr. Felagund, I will vote for you in five hours unless you come up with something witty.

edit: xed with Shasta

[Durelin]

I guess I need to start with an apology - SORRY! I still can't believe I totally missed a Day. I was visiting relatives for most of it, but I should have had time to post a few times early in the Day, at least...if I had remembered. How...unreliable of me.

So, need to read up more, but right now I'm wondering how the heck Elf-warrior got lynched. Mostly people's complaints seemed to be that he wasn't helpful enough, or was just being too weird or something. Easy pickins, but what's new? This game is democratic. But also, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

So, unfortunately for two of the wolves, we have connections between them and Nerwen to draw.

I want to look at:
Kitanna
Eonwe
Mith
Ka

Also, Nogrod and Boro haven't been getting nearly enough attention. :p But really, I feel good about Nogrod's vote, because I like sticking to principles. And I liked Boro's attitude on Day 1 anyway. Day 2 I need to look at...obviously.

Eonwe seems cheesy. Maybe he is the spammer.

Edit: Crossed with Agan

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And I was just thinking I'd like to see more of Durelin today... :rolleyes:

Off to see what I can do to make myself feel helpful, now that Nerwen is gone and I'm out of a job...

[Brinniel]

Psst, Brinn, you still have Kath on the living list.
Whoops, my bad... :rolleyes:

All fixed. :)

[Formendacil]

The most suspicious thing about Form is that he keeps insisting at least one wolf voted for Sixth and bases his case on that.
Just the same way I could say that statistically it is likely that at least one wolf is among the four first persons on the player list (excluding myself), and analyse Nilp, Kitanna, Shasta and Boro, being confident that one of them is a wolf.

You have to pardon my Philosophy Major/English Minor tendency that comes forward here, Agan, but as the former I am aware of the importance of exact wording and as the latter I'm aware of the nuance of exact words. If I may make a slight correction to this statement--which is essentially true enough--I do not keep insisting there is a wolf among the Sixth-voters. Rather, I kept bringing it up. More importantly, however, it is not that I was certain that a wolf was among those numbers, but rather that it seemed a very good possibility--and given the size of the village and the difficulty of a random shotgun approach to analysing gut feelings about everyone else, I chose to focus in on five particular voters.

In a similar way, I'm probably going focus on the Elf-warrior voters from yesterday. It's not that I think a wolf necessarily hides there (excepting, maybe, our newly-bitten wolf), for indeed it would be quite sensible for the wolves to avoid so obvious a bandwaggon, since they certainly knew EW was not one of their own, but I think it possible, nonetheless, that there is one, and focusing on the voters of the most numerous bandwaggon gives me a narrowed field to concentrate on--which is important, given the lack of endless time in my life. Unlike some people, I am working this summer.:p

On first impression, there is nothing remarkable about the EW voters--with the single exception that EW's innocence leads me to think, with little enough good reason, that Mith might be innocent.

More later.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Votes from yestre DAY:
09:50pm Nilp (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561728&postcount=162) - Eönwë (Eönwë - 1)
11:14pm Kit (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561739&postcount=169) - Agan (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1)
04:03am Erenor (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561781&postcount=186) - EW (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
05:11am THE Ka (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561791&postcount=190) - Eönwë (Eönwë - 2, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
05:30am EW (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561794&postcount=192) - Eönwë (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
05:48am Form (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561804&postcount=201) - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 2)
05:58am Eomer (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561807&postcount=203) - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 3)
06:26am Shasta (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561820&postcount=214) - Eönwë (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 3)
06:28am Eönwë (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561821&postcount=215) - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 4)
06:29am Rikae (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561823&postcount=217) - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 5)
06:33am Nerwen (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561840&postcount=234) - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 6)
06:54am sally (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561841&postcount=235) - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 7)
06:56am Boro (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561845&postcount=239) - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 8)
06:58am Agan (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561847&postcount=241) - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9)
06:59am Nogrod (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561848&postcount=242) - Kit (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9, Kit - 1)

And from DAY 1:
09:49pm Form (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561517&postcount=44) - Nogrod (Nogrod - 1)
12:50am Kit (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561531&postcount=54) - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1)
05:29am sally (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561560&postcount=77) - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1)
05:51am Erenor (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561565&postcount=82) - sally (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1)
06:18am Eomer (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561581&postcount=97) - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 1)
06:25am Eönwë (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561582&postcount=98) - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2)
06:28am Kath (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561584&postcount=100) - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1)
06:35am THE Ka (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561589&postcount=105) - Rikae (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1)
06:37am Durelin (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561590&postcount=106) - Kit (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
06:42am Boro (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561592&postcount=108) - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
06:48am Nilp (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561595&postcount=111) - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
06:50am Rikae (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561599&postcount=115) - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
06:54am EW (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561600&postcount=116) - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
06:55am Nerwen (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561602&postcount=118) - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
06:56am Agan (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561605&postcount=121) - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 4, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
06:59am Nogrod (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561609&postcount=125) - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 5, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)

Interesting points:
sally, Boro, and Agan voted for the same person two DAYs in the row, and they voted for the eventual lynchees.


Agan said this toDAY: Somehow I feel uncomfortable with how Eomer seemed to be trying to assure EW was suspicious, not a wolf but maybe the cobbler, yesterday. It was pretty clear EW would be the easy lynch, and it looks like Eomer was just trying to find a reason to justify a vote for him.
Or maybe it's just that I didn't find EW particularly suspicious and didn't really understand why others did. Anyway, I don't like it anyway. (Aganzir)Then why vote for him at the end of the DAY when he was sure to be lynched? Why didn't you join Nogrod in a token vote for . . . someone you actually suspect? This almost-casual throwing of votes does not innocent feel.

If you are guilty of shedding innocent blood then you might as well accept your part in it. EW was suspicious, and were I online near the end of DAY I would have voted for him, too. Washing your hands, does not, again, innocent feel.

Hmm, you did advocate for having Nerwen lynched yesterDAY, which . . . speaks for your innocence, interestingly, but how do you explain this? I would prefer Nerwen, because me suspect she be the spammer.
Me too. Though I'm not really sure - Nerwen posts while EW doesn't, but she's also so much more suspicious, yet she doesn't have any votes yet whereas EW has three. (Aganzir)You preferred to vote for a dead weight (your words) with three votes than for someone you think is guilty?!?! With 10 votes still left to cast then surely you and Boro could have done something. I mean, you've been suspecting her since 153 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=561715&postcount=153). Surely if you had been serious in your accusation you would have done much better in trying to get her lynched? Or is that all you've got? (Then I might not get the enjoyment of getting ÷÷Nilpaurion Felagund** toDAY. ;) )


On a related note:
[ I]t would be quite sensible for the wolves to avoid so obvious a bandwaggon, since they certainly knew EW was not one of their own [ . . . ] (FormenDAGA)I think that, considering the number of those who voted for EW (more than half the village, to be exact), there has to be at least one--excluding the dead Nerwen.


I would bet my eightscore centuries-long life on Rikae's innocence, unless the Seer prove me wrong, which I doubt.

Notes:
Re the NIGHT kill: perhaps the Ranger (dashing fellow that he is) dissuaded Hackers from attacking, erm, more energetic members of the community, and decided to go for a surer kill, albeit one less likely to bring the Seer down. If that's true then it may show that the Hackers are confident that the village, and perhaps even the Seer, is barking up the wrong tree . . .


Someone changed sides toDAY. Remember that.

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**Brinn the Almighty Arbitratress, those are division signs, and not my actual vote. :p

[Formendacil]

Hmmm... this is a most quiet village indeed. I haven't posted all that often, due to work and such, but I have a strange feeling, as though I'm in the upper rather than the lower ranks for posting on this thread... and this is the slowest start to a Day we've had yet.

Makes it that much harder to spot werewolves, of course, if I may be permitted to continue in the pessimistic vein I seem to have been characterised as following throughout this game.

Anyway, to my analysis of those who voted for Elf-warrior.

Nilp - Eönwë
Kitanna - Aganzir
Mithalwen - Elf-Warrior
Ka - Eönwë
Elf-Warrior - Eönwë
Form - Elf-Warrior
Eomer - Elf-Warrior
Shastanis Althreduin - Eönwë
Eönwë - Elf-Warrior
Rikae - Elf-Warrior
Nerwen - Elf-Warrior
Sally - Elf-Warrior
Boromir88 - Elf-Warrior
Aganzir - Elf-Warrior
Nogrod = Kitanna

Which makes for a total of 9 votes for Elf-Warrior, 4 votes for Eönwë, and 1 each for Aganzir and Kitanna, plus whoever abstained (Kath and Durelin for sure).

I sincerely hope, given the sheer number of EW votes, that I won't be considered odd for thinking there's a wolf hidden in them somewhere--although I'm actually inclined to think otherwise, given how absolutely bandwaggonish they are. Indeed, after Rikae's vote, they are all essentially tacked on: they neither assisted in getting EW dead (save insofar as they didn't increase the Eönwë count), nor did they come with much in the way of justification.

Nerwen, of course, is since proved a wolf, and she's the first of the four random votes that just got tacked on the in the last minutes. The fact that there's one known wolf in that number makes me suspect that another is unlikely to hide there (although there's alway the newly-bitten to consider), but the case could also be made that where one thought it safe to hide, another might also--especially since Nerwen was already garnering sufficient attention that another wolf doing likewise might well hope to lie hid.

I'll be back later with more thoughts... going to go stew over it for a while first.

[Nogrod]

It's getting 6AM here and I'm still awake... hopefully not for long anymore.

But let's take advantage of the fact that we now know Nerwen was a wolf! (how wrong was I!)

So how were different people related to her? I'd be most interested now by those who didn't make a point on her as all the rest of the people were talking about her. A fellow wolf would have stayed quiet or been careful with her/his points on Nerwen as one would not like to be associated with one who is "the talk of the town" like Nerwen was...

I'll try to look at this problematic tomorrow as I awake.

[Formendacil]

Thanks to a couple power failures (thank you, July thunderstorms), I am back somewhat later than I was planning, and without any analysis worked on, due to the absence of said power. What's more, my brain has gotten fuzzy and I'm ready for bed. Therefore, just a few thoughts rather than a longer analysis.

Mithalwen's early vote for EW absolves her of lupinity, from my point of view, since this was clearly not a wolf-on-wolf vote, though as a word of caution, it is possible that she knew that EW would be a prime suspect for the day, and cast her vote before would be a bandwaggon.

Formendacil: obviously, I'm innocent.

Eomer: gave EW that crucial third vote. Ancient history says that one should always be careful that EoR is not a wolf. I think that still holds, though it would be difficult to say exactly why I think that. If Eomer is a wolf, then Mithalwen very well could be too--banter between these two would be just the sort of Eomerian strategy I'd expect.

Eönwë : his vote gave EW the lead, but I'm not inclined to suspect him any more than I did yesterday. After all, he saved himself with his vote, which is the natural thing to do.

Rikae: Strikes me as only slightly suspicious. Her vote put EW as the clear front-runner, but there were still enough votes to swing in Eonwe's favour.

Nerwen: We already know this story.

Sally, Boromir88, and Aganzir all basically cast throwaway votes, and throwaway votes added to front-running bandwaggons are truly thrown away. With Sally I do not know what to make of this, having never played with her. With Boro, this is either a sign of his innocence (my current trend of thought) or else of his extreme cleverness (which is possible). I have not the presence of mind at this hour to discern which.

Agan's vote is highly similar to her first day's, in that it is clearly a throwaway, but while Day 1's vote met with my approval, this one does not. What was appropriate on Day 1 is not on Day 2. Now, part of this could just be Agan's style--I don't know--but I'm less confident of her than I was yesterday.



And, I know he didn't vote for EW, but I'll add a brief thought on Nogrod anyway. His vote, the very last, feels extra-thrown away, but I'm inclined to think this an indicator of innocence, since he makes himself quite visible indeed with this vote. Conversely, however, if Kitanna turns out to be a wolf, then I think this is damning evidence of his own guilt, since the fact he was harping on her so early would seem to be the sign of a pre-planning cover.



That's it for tonight... won't be back until about the final hour, probably, unless I get on very briefly in the morning.

[Kitanna]

I only have a little bit to post before bed. That leaves me time to skim and attempt to grasp a little bit of the end of Day2.

So judging by the voting record and what little I saw, EW was dropped (in some people's opinions) as dead weight. Rikae's vote doesn't come as much of a surprise, neither does Eonwe's (self-preservation and all, it appeared they were tied at the time). Of course this is really only what I've gathered from about twenty minutes of speed reading. I will be on soon after I wake up to do something more in depth. Perhaps I'll see what I can about those who voted for Eonwe seeing as only myself and Nogrod voted outside EW and Eonwe.

[Aganzir]

You have to pardon my Philosophy Major/English Minor tendency that comes forward here, Agan
You are pardoned.

Then why vote for him at the end of the DAY when he was sure to be lynched? Why didn't you join Nogrod in a token vote for . . . someone you actually suspect? This almost-casual throwing of votes does not innocent feel.
Why should I have? My vote would have been a throwaway regardless of who I voted. And if I had voted for Nerwen, you would now be accusing me of trying to avoid the EW bandwagon in order not to look plain wolfish. Tsk tsk, come up with a better case. :p

Washing your hands, does not, again, innocent feel.
Explain how I am washing my hands. I am guilty of not finding him a likely wolf but wanting him dead anyway, and at least I haven't noticed I should be trying to wriggle out of it.

Surely if you had been serious in your accusation you would have done much better in trying to get her lynched?
I was so confident about her guilt that I thought it would be easy to get her lynched any day, whereas non-posters are not easy to lynch later on when lynches to waste are growing scarce.

++ Nilpaurion Felagund

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've been up to something but I fear that, if my initial suspicions were accurate, I have spoiled the plan a bit. I hope that's not the case. :rolleyes:

I said Mithalwen is suspicious on Day 1. Night 2's attack was hidden from us. I thought it might have been directed at me, so I had to keep up the anti-Mithalwen sentiment on Day 2. Lo and behold, I'm not attacked. They don't think I'm the seer, and Mithalwen is innocent.

Only... I spoiled it yesterday by saying that I trusted Nerwen more. On Day 1 I said Nerwen was one of the wolves. The wolves could assume I wanted to dream about Nerwen, and me trusting her more indicates that I'm no seer but just got lucky with my Mithalwen vote.

But maybe they thought I dreamt of Eonwe, my other wolf....

And there's a new wolf today!

Well, as it stands, I'm not that suspicious of Mithalwen any more.

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I was surprised to find that the Elf Warrior was an ordo. He seemed so obviously bad.

As to the Kath kill, because she had no suspicions whatsoever, it leads me to perhaps believe that not a single person in the village is right about anything! No-one is going after a wolf, so obviously no seer has dreamt of a wolf. What does this tell us? I'll post again in a few minutes.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It tells us to think before you post. ;) Stupid, half-baked idea. Forget it. I'll look through what different kill-choices entail.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry I haven't checked in. I've been here most of the evening, but I had a rather interesting day at work so I just kind of turned off my brain when I got home....for like four hours apparently. Unfortunately, it's now almost 2am and it won't properly turn back on. Whoops. *shifty eyes*


Of Nerwen (and in Nerwen format, just for kicks): OH HAI GUYZ! LUK WE G0T R1D OF A WULF! YAYZ0RS! Okay, that kind of hurts my brain; done now. I'm sad she had to drop out, because it's a pity for her to not be able to play. However, I'm glad that we're rid of her. (You know what I mean.)

Problem is, dearies, we now have the same problem we had last game, to an extent, with a person being turned from innocent to wolf. So if we happen to catch that person toDay we'll be dern lucky. Go with me on this, if you will. I don't think the odds of us finding the flipped wolf are going to be very high, so let's not ignore it, but also not make it our top priority. (Not that I see that becoming a problem, just saying.) Just go with what we "know" already, unless of course something sticks out, then by all means go for it. Now then....onto another subject....

Of Kath (and in as close to her character format as I feel like coming): Alas, poor Kath, we knew her well....or, erm, not. She hardly posted. Why....the....bloody....devil....did the wolves kill her? Here's a crack theory for you: maybe they figured the ranger (especially after her spectacular save) would stay nice and quiet, and went after Kath to try to de-gifted the village? Huh? Huh? ....No? Okay, fine, whatever. Probably just a kill to leave no trail, especially since they were getting a new wolf last Night.

Randomly, to Durelin: Eon seems....cheesy? Maybe I'm too tired, but I don't get it. Could you explain that a bit? Sorry, just noticed that and figured I'd ask.

Oh yeah, we have a cobbler in this village. I keep forgetting for some reason. Which (sort of....) brings me to Master Noggie McNoggersons. (wow....I AM tired) He's acting....what's the word....meh, we'll stick with different. Maybe it's just me, but he seems too unlike himself. Distracted? No. Not the word. Blah. Stick with different. Anyway, it doesn't seem typical for him as an innocent, nor does it (though I'm obviously not the authority on this) seem like he's a wolf. Could he be our cobbler? Your thoughts, I can have them please.


Sorry, I should have posted earlier when I was more awake. Like I said, terrible person, but I'm exhausted; my apologies loves. I need some sleep. My computer's been acting up a bit so I don't know if I'll be able to pop in during my lunch break at work tomorrow closer to deadline. I don't see it being a problem, but I may vote in the morning (aka in like 7 hours or so) before I go to work just in case. I'll let you know when I wake up. Good night! Either sleep tight or post lots while I'm gone! :)



EDIT: sleepily x'd twice with Snoopy ;)

[satansaloser2005]

I've been up to something but I fear that, if my initial suspicions were accurate, I have spoiled the plan a bit. I hope that's not the case. :rolleyes:

I said Mithalwen is suspicious on Day 1. Night 2's attack was hidden from us. I thought it might have been directed at me, so I had to keep up the anti-Mithalwen sentiment on Day 2. Lo and behold, I'm not attacked. They don't think I'm the seer, and Mithalwen is innocent.

Only... I spoiled it yesterday by saying that I trusted Nerwen more. On Day 1 I said Nerwen was one of the wolves. The wolves could assume I wanted to dream about Nerwen, and me trusting her more indicates that I'm no seer but just got lucky with my Mithalwen vote.

But maybe they thought I dreamt of Eonwe, my other wolf....

And there's a new wolf today!

Well, as it stands, I'm not that suspicious of Mithalwen any more.

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I was surprised to find that the Elf Warrior was an ordo. He seemed so obviously bad.

As to the Kath kill, because she had no suspicions whatsoever, it leads me to perhaps believe that not a single person in the village is right about anything! No-one is going after a wolf, so obviously no seer has dreamt of a wolf. What does this tell us? I'll post again in a few minutes.




Bwah??????????? *rereads* Blah, it still is weird. Eomer, what the devil are you talking about, mate? *hobbles away and vows to reread this post in the morning when her faculties are about her*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I was surprised to find that the Elf Warrior was an ordo. He seemed so obviously bad.


Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Kill Nilp: 2 votes for Eonwe. Obvious lead.
Kill Kitanna: Votes Aganzir Day 2. Lead.
Kill Mithalwen: Voted EW. Slight lead to Sally?
Kill Ka: Votes Rikae then Eonwe: Slight leads.
Kill Form: Voted EW. Slight lead to Nogrod?
Kill Eomer: Obvious lead to Mith.
Kill Shasta: Eonwe lead.
Kill Eonwe: Voted EW. Slight lead to Mithalwen.
Kill Rikae: Voted Nerwen then EW. No lead.
Kill sally: Voted Sixth and EW. No lead.
Kill Boromir: Voted Sixth and EW. No lead.
Kill Aganzir: Voted Sixth and EW. No lead.
Kill Nogrod: Lead to Kitanna.

The wolves killed Kath, and not because they thought she was the seer. They chose to give the village absolutely no leads. Why not kill, say Eomer, and set-up Mithalwen?

Eonwe doesn’t need setting up; he is under much suspicion already, and will remain that way for the rest of the game, probably. But Mith could be set up beautifully, and Kitanna and Aganzir too. (Nogrod and Sally slightly, but more dubiously.)

Sorry Mith, you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.

:rolleyes:

I dislike disrespecting the dead, but EW's posts were so remarkably unhelpful that he was practically asking the village to lynch him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

:rolleyes:

I dislike disrespecting the dead, but EW's posts were so remarkably unhelpful that he was practically asking the village to lynch him.

Which is something a wolf would obviously NOT do, so...

I'm sorry, I still fail to see the logic behind this.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Not obvious, and I did rather think he was the cobbler. If he was obviously NOT a wolf then you, Shasta, must be seriously hacked off at the village right now.

Or perhaps you, with secret knowledge, have climbed to the moral high-ground here?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Not obvious, and I did rather think he was the cobbler. If he was obviously NOT a wolf then you, Shasta, must be seriously hacked off at the village right now.

Or perhaps you, with secret knowledge, have climbed to the moral high-ground here?

"Not obvious"? So a wolf would ask the village to lynch them? And if you thought he was the cobbler, you would have said as much, because the cobbler counts as an innocent in win-lose calculations, doesn't it? And I'm not "hacked off", but I am a little bit irritated, both at the lynch AND the wolf-kill, because both were aimed at people who through no fault of their own (definately in the case of Kath, probably in the case of EW), but rather RL-issues, were unable to really play.

And I don't understand your last comment. "Secret knowledge"? Just what are you implying, Eomer?

[satansaloser2005]

:rolleyes:

I dislike disrespecting the dead, but EW's posts were so remarkably unhelpful that he was practically asking the village to lynch him.

Sorry, can't sleep, so I figured I'd have a go at this.


I have a big problem with this way of thinking. "So and so isn't being helpful, so let's kill him" is a baseless argument. Granted, by the time I voted there were three candidates and I didn't want to kill either of the others, hence why I voted why I did, but even I don't see the reasoning behind it (do with that what you will, it's the truth. I even said when I voted that I was picking the lesser of three evils)
Just because a person isn't posting much or isn't being helpful doesn't mean they're evil. That's along the same logic as "Donna posted tenth and the tenth post is always made by a wolf" or "Jackie didn't vote until David did both days so she must be following instructions from him". I just don't see the logic. (Granted, there are quiet wolves, but being only Day 2 it seems rather strange to accuse a person of unhelpfulness and lynch them for it. Again, being a bit of a hypocrite but as I said, I did what I thought best at the time.)
So the moral of the story is if you want to suggest lynching someone, fine, but find a better reason to do it than that they are not being as helpful as you'd like. Sorry if it's a bit blunt, but....erm, it's 3am, so bear with me. ;)



Also, please do explain the post I quoted above. I realize I'm probably just stupid, but I'd appreciate it if you'd rephrase it so I don't misunderstand what you're talking about. Thanks in advance. :)


EDIT: Ignore my second example (regarding such people as Jackie and David). My brain frazzled in the middle of it and I actually put something that made sense. Obviously I'm leaving it in, but mostly so you all can laugh at my ineptness.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

"Not obvious"? So a wolf would ask the village to lynch them? And if you thought he was the cobbler, you would have said as much, because the cobbler counts as an innocent in win-lose calculations, doesn't it? And I'm not "hacked off", but I am a little bit irritated, both at the lynch AND the wolf-kill, because both were aimed at people who through no fault of their own (definately in the case of Kath, probably in the case of EW), but rather RL-issues, were unable to really play.

And I don't understand your last comment. "Secret knowledge"? Just what are you implying, Eomer?

A Wolf would not ask to be lynched (in normal circumstances) but a Wolf would quite easily want to be unhelpful. That's why it was not obvious that EW was innocent.

''Agree with many others here. Elf-Warrior has to go. He is clearly up to no good, whether he be hacker or spammer (and I am inclined to think he is more likely spammer).'' From post 203.

I did say as much.

You assumed that EW wasn't unhelpful, just short on time. You look at it one way, I another.

And I'm implying that you are a Wolf, eager to make himself look good by making a lot of other people look bad. We got it wrong, but at the time a number of us thought EW was guilty. I also noted that you found me suspicious yesterday and have found another reason to criticise me.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I have a big problem with this way of thinking. "So and so isn't being helpful, so let's kill him" is a baseless argument. Granted, by the time I voted there were three candidates and I didn't want to kill either of the others, hence why I voted why I did, but even I don't see the reasoning behind it (do with that what you will, it's the truth. I even said when I voted that I was picking the lesser of three evils)
Just because a person isn't posting much or isn't being helpful doesn't mean they're evil. That's along the same logic as "Donna posted tenth and the tenth post is always made by a wolf" or "Jackie didn't vote until David did both days so she must be following instructions from him". I just don't see the logic. (Granted, there are quiet wolves, but being only Day 2 it seems rather strange to accuse a person of unhelpfulness and lynch them for it. Again, being a bit of a hypocrite but as I said, I did what I thought best at the time.)
So the moral of the story is if you want to suggest lynching someone, fine, but find a better reason to do it than that they are not being as helpful as you'd like. Sorry if it's a bit blunt, but....erm, it's 3am, so bear with me. ;)



Also, please do explain the post I quoted above.


EDIT: Ignore my second example (regarding such people as Jackie and David). My brain frazzled in the middle of it and I actually put something that made sense. Obviously I'm leaving it in, but mostly so you all can laugh at my ineptness.

Yeah, I really think your analogies don't work. :p

Elf Warrior was adding too little, and what he did add came with no insight or thoughts. I find such behaviour suspicious. I don't see what the big deal is here.

As to my post earlier which you claim not to understand, it basically amounts to this:

1. I suspected Mithalwen. Ranger stopped kill.

2. I thought I might have been targetted, due to Mithalwen's being wolvish and thinking I'm seer. Kept saying I was suspicious of Mith.

3. Did not get attacked, so wolves don't think I'm a big threat. Mithalwen probably innocent.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A Wolf would not ask to be lynched (in normal circumstances) but a Wolf would quite easily want to be unhelpful. That's why it was not obvious that EW was innocent.

''Agree with many others here. Elf-Warrior has to go. He is clearly up to no good, whether he be hacker or spammer (and I am inclined to think he is more likely spammer).'' From post 203.

I did say as much.

You assumed that EW wasn't unhelpful, just short on time. You look at it one way, I another.

And I'm implying that you are a Wolf, eager to make himself look good by making a lot of other people look bad. We got it wrong, but at the time a number of us thought EW was guilty. I also noted that you found me suspicious yesterday and have found another reason to criticise me.

I took the liberty of adding the underline to your post, above. I don't understand how it was so "clear" to you that EW was bad, because I still think five content-less posts is hardly enough to use to be clear on someone's guilt or innocence.

And I never said that it was obvious that he was an innocent. I said that if it was clear to you that he was, quote, asking to be lynched, unquote (again, asking to be lynched in five posts?), then it should have been equally clear to you that no Wolf in their right mind would act in such a manner that was likely to lead to their lynching.

Also, I am not "making" anyone look bad. You're managing that quite easily on your own.

Edit: X'd with the second Eomer.

[satansaloser2005]

Yeah, I really think your analogies don't work. :p

Elf Warrior was adding too little, and what he did add came with no insight or thoughts. I find such behaviour suspicious. I don't see what the big deal is here.

As to my post earlier which you claim not to understand, it basically amounts to this:

1. I suspected Mithalwen. Ranger stopped kill.

2. I thought I might have been targetted, due to Mithalwen's being wolvish and thinking I'm seer. Kept saying I was suspicious of Mith.

3. Did not get attacked, so wolves don't think I'm a big threat. Mithalwen probably innocent.



Heh. Indeed they don't. :p

Okay, that makes a bit more sense. Like I said, a bit tired, and it looked as if you were saying that....well, it doesn't matter now, I've figured it out. Thanks for clarifying. (P.S. It's not that I claim to not understand it. Heh, I really didn't. Hey, I warned you I'm a bit slow on the uptake didn't I? ;))

And on that note, I am really going to bed. I swear. Probably be back in *weeps* five hours or so. Night (again) everyone!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And I'm implying that you are a Wolf, eager to make himself look good by making a lot of other people look bad. We got it wrong, but at the time a number of us thought EW was guilty. I also noted that you found me suspicious yesterday and have found another reason to criticise me.

Isn't it a common wolf tactic to try and redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you? :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I took the liberty of adding the underline to your post, above. I don't understand how it was so "clear" to you that EW was bad, because I still think five content-less posts is hardly enough to use to be clear on someone's guilt or innocence.

And I never said that it was obvious that he was an innocent. I said that if it was clear to you that he was, quote, asking to be lynched, unquote (again, asking to be lynched in five posts?), then it should have been equally clear to you that no Wolf in their right mind would act in such a manner that was likely to lead to their lynching.

Also, I am not "making" anyone look bad. You're managing that quite easily on your own.

Edit: X'd with the second Eomer.

Then it's agreed, Shasta? I'll just post nothing from now on except a vote and you'll have no reason to suspect me? Because how can content-less posts possibly be suspicious?

Also, the phrase ''asking to be lynched'' is just that -- a phrase. No, EW was not literally asking to be lynched. What that means is that he is acting suspiciously. Have you never encountered bold wolves? And it might not even have been boldness on EW's part -- perhaps he was just being quiet and trying to hide. Whether he meant to be provocative or not, the result was that he, along with his weird input, stood out from the crowd.

One more point: you highlight my use of the word 'clear'. If you want to grasp at that particular straw then you're welcome to, but sometimes people -- other than Formendacil of course -- use words incorrectly. ''It is clear that...'' and ''I really think that...'' are synonymous. I'm not writing an objective essay; I'm typing my opinions.

But really, it's been ages since my last proper Werewolf back-and-forth. It feels great. Cheers Shasta min! :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Isn't it a common wolf tactic to try and redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you? :p

I'm all-too-aware of this, that's why I'd be going far softer on you were I a wolf. My innocence gives me a freedom I'm not used to. ;) I'm not at all concerned about being lynched, and as long as I'm battling in public the wolves should leave me alive.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Then it's agreed, Shasta? I'll just post nothing from now on except a vote and you'll have no reason to suspect me? Because how can content-less posts possibly be suspicious?

Also, the phrase ''asking to be lynched'' is just that -- a phrase. No, EW was not literally asking to be lynched. What that means is that he is acting suspiciously. Have you never encountered bold wolves? And it might not even have been boldness on EW's part -- perhaps he was just being quiet and trying to hide. Whether he meant to be provocative or not, the result was that he, along with his weird input, stood out from the crowd.

One more point: you highlight my use of the word 'clear'. If you want to grasp at that particular straw then you're welcome to, but sometimes people -- other than Formendacil of course -- use words incorrectly. ''It is clear that...'' and ''I really think that...'' are synonymous. I'm not writing an objective essay; I'm typing my opinions.

But really, it's been ages since my last proper Werewolf back-and-forth. It feels great. Cheers Shasta min!

I'll suspect you even more, because you're already shown that you've been active. :p EW seemed to be having RL-issues; happens to many people, hardly a solid foundation in which a suspicion should be based.

I am well-aware that "asking to be lynched" is just a phrase. Something had to occur, though, to make you use that particular phrase. And if it was EW's behavior, then it still should have followed that such behavior - the kind of behavior that attracts suspicion by conspicious noncontribution (is that a word?) - is not a behavioral pattern that a sane wolf would continue indefinately, especially as it's so easy to remedy. And if the reason you used that particular phrase was that he "stood out from the crowd"... why, all one has to do is look at Durelin. XD

And I'm not going to bother engaging you in a debate on the correct usage of the word "clear". I'll leave that to our resident grammar nazi... oh wait, he was lynched Day 1 after making one post. :rolleyes:

Why thank you, Eomer, always glad to be of assistance. :Merisu:

Edit: Again, X'd with the second Eomer. And a "wolves do this, I'm not doing this, therefore I'm not a wolf" is a prime example of flawed logic.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

[/I]the kind of behavior that attracts suspicion by conspicious noncontribution (is that a word?) - is not a behavioral pattern that a sane wolf would continue indefinately, especially as it's so easy to remedy.

I'll leave that to our resident grammar nazi... oh wait, he was lynched Day 1 after making one post. :rolleyes:

"wolves do this, I'm not doing this, therefore I'm not a wolf" is a prime example of flawed logic.

3 things from this post. Let us continue the Shasta/Eomer show:

1. Because staying very quiet and unhelpful for a mere 2 days is unthinkable? It's easy with hindsight, Shasta, but EW looked like bad news! Loads of people thought so!

2. Different with Sixth Wizard. He made one post and obviously couldn't return. I agree that his lynching was not warranted. Elf-Warrior made 5 posts, all completely lacking in insight. That's way more suspicious.

3. I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent.

[Boromir88]

It seems like too much talk is being put on Kath (and now a Shasta and Eomer spat). Eomer, we do have leads now to follow...Nerwen. And we shouldn't just do a 180 because your trap didn't work.

I find it apalling that really only Agan and Nilp have mentioned Nerwen and who can possibly be her partners. Sally and Form (I think) have mentioned her in passing, but didn't name any possible connections. The wolves left us with no leads regarding their kill, but we definitely have leads now that one wolf is dead.

Go with me on this, if you will. I don't think the odds of us finding the flipped wolf are going to be very high, so let's not ignore it, but also not make it our top priority.~sally
I was about to jump all over your for this, until I read it through again and caught the "lets not ignore it" bit. I agree, we can spot the flipped wolf, and this definitely changes the whole dynamics of the game. Now people that I strongly felt were innocent (Eomer, Eonwe, Agan) could suddenly be the one who changed sides overnight. Spotting a flip is possible, but I agree it definitely shouldn't be our priority.

Our priority has to be looking through Nerwen's posts, and finding out any leads to go on. I'll have to leave by saying that, and will be back before the deadline. Look through Nerwen's posts.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

[/I]

3 things from this post. Let us continue the Shasta/Eomer show:

1. Because staying very quiet and unhelpful for a mere 2 days is unthinkable? It's easy with hindsight, Shasta, but EW looked like bad news! Loads of people thought so!

2. Different with Sixth Wizard. He made one post and obviously couldn't return. I agree that his lynching was not warranted. Elf-Warrior made 5 posts, all completely lacking in insight. That's way more suspicious.

3. I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent.

The Shasta/Eomer show. I like it.

1. In regards to the EW bandwagon, I somehow doubt "loads" of people thought he was bad. I think a few misguided innocents started it, then maybe a wolf or two jumped on, and the rest was a mix of maybe another wolf and a couple of "oh well" votes.

2. Five posts over the course of 96 hours is lying low, I agree with you there, but in his last two posts EW clearly stated he didn't have time to elaborate on his votes. And no one is ever especially active on Day 1 in most cases.

3. How you would act as a wolf, if you were one, makes no never mind in this case because you do not, can not have proof. How can we know you are what you say you are and how you would act if you aren't what you say you aren't? (I'm sorry, I know this particular point is muddled, but it's quite early for me.) And putting such emphasis on your past performances as a wolf leads me to the obvious conclusion that you're relying on that because you've drastically changed your wolf-style and are trying to make people think you haven't.

I think I shall go to bed now, it's five in the morning for me.

Stay tuned for another episode of the "Shasta/Eomer show", folks!

Edit: X'd with Boro, who doesn't like our regularly scheduled programming. :rolleyes:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ja, ja, Boro. I was about to but got distracted.
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Nerwen brings up the so-called Aganzir/Nilp/Formendacil ‘’brawl’’. Bit dangerous to try to direct people onto fellow wolves like this. Some people actually find such patterns intriguing.

Definitely not Aganzir.

Kitanna votes Nerwen. Would she do that?

Rikae votes Nerwen. Would she do that?

Nerwen votes Eonwe. Unnecessary, I think.

Nogrod defends Nerwen.

Nilp accepts Kit’s reason but not Rikae’s for voting Nerwen. Sort of defends Nerwen.

Shasta ‘likes’Nerwen. (Ref. 144) Says she’s ‘not suspicious’. Nerwen also rolls eyes at Shasta for reminding her of that whole Agan/Nilp/Form thing at the start.

Aganzir’s Nerwen/Nilp stuff is interesting.

Boromir is not buying anything Nerwen says.

Nogrod trusts Nerwen.

Eomer trusts Nerwen a bit more after thinking her a wolf Day 1.

Nogrod’s not saying Nerwen’s innocent, mind you.

Boromir and Aganzir pretty convinced of Nerwen’s guilt.

Sally maybe a little bit suspicious of Nerwen.

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That's what I found interesting. Loads of stuff.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

The Shasta/Eomer show. I like it.

1. In regards to the EW bandwagon, I somehow doubt "loads" of people thought he was bad. I think a few misguided innocents started it, then maybe a wolf or two jumped on, and the rest was a mix of maybe another wolf and a couple of "oh well" votes.

2. Five posts over the course of 96 hours is lying low, I agree with you there, but in his last two posts EW clearly stated he didn't have time to elaborate on his votes. And no one is ever especially active on Day 1 in most cases.

3. How you would act as a wolf, if you were one, makes no never mind in this case because you do not, can not have proof. How can we know you are what you say you are and how you would act if you aren't what you say you aren't? (I'm sorry, I know this particular point is muddled, but it's quite early for me.) And putting such emphasis on your past performances as a wolf leads me to the obvious conclusion that you're relying on that because you've drastically changed your wolf-style and are trying to make people think you haven't.

I think I shall go to bed now, it's five in the morning for me.

Stay tuned for another episode of the "Shasta/Eomer show", folks!

Edit: X'd with Boro, who doesn't like our regularly scheduled programming. :rolleyes:

Actually, Shasta, that may be the end of the show, because there's nothing really interesting I need to respond with here. Your case against me is too weak. But looky looky at what I found about Nerwen!

You liked her. Yes, you did. :p All childish taunting aside, you were defending her when a couple of villagers were strongly on her trail. She also gave you a tiny bit of interaction, rolling you one of these -- :rolleyes: -- when you said you disagreed with her Agan/Nilp/Form idea. ''Look everyone, we're not allies, honest!''

Immediate thoughts from list:

Innocent

Aganzir
Boromir
Rikae
Eonwe
Kitanna

Dodgy

Shasta
Nogrod
Nilp

[Kitanna]

Elf Warrior was adding too little, and what he did add came with no insight or thoughts. I find such behaviour suspicious. I don't see what the big deal is here.
Shasta seems utterly against Eomer on his assurance of EW's guilt based upon what to me looks like the above theory. I know yesterday at least Rikae was following the same sort thing, calling EW "dead weight" at one point. So, why attack Eomer about it, Shasta?

And I'm implying that you are a Wolf, eager to make himself look good by making a lot of other people look bad. We got it wrong, but at the time a number of us thought EW was guilty. I also noted that you found me suspicious yesterday and have found another reason to criticise me.
Could it be Eomer's vehement defense of himself?

I see what Eomer is saying about his belief that EW was up to mischief, hacker or spammer-wise, but this Shasta and Eomer back and forth is interesting to say the least. They both make good points against one another, but neither is really smelling like roses at this moment. And now I find Eomer slightly stranger looking because of all this. Simply because of my, as he called it, colorful WW past with him.

All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today.
I lack experience with an innocent Eomer, so maybe he speaks the truth. But even the best wolf will occasionally want to change up his game to throw off the village. A wolf in sheep's clothing so to speak. But there are plenty of hours left in the day and I'm interested to see what both Shasta and Eomer have to say, though maybe not about each other.

In any case obviously Nerwen needs to have her posts looked at. I plan to look at Eonwe voters still and if I'm feeling especially Nancy Drewish I'll take a gander at EW voters. For today I actually don't have work so I am free to actually make more in depth posts.

[Nogrod]

Back again!

Just a few comments to begin with.

Now some people have asked the question why Kath was killed and it seems there is an agreement that the kill left no trails. I'd like to add one more perspective to the question. The wolves missed their kill on the first Night of the game so whoever it was they were trying to kill that Night would have been 100% proof kill last Night. So did they go for Kath already on that first Night or did they have "a better idea"? The ranger knows it but should of course remain silent about it for the time being. But s/he should think about the meaning of that.

Secondly. I'm most unhappy about yesterDay's voting. Even if I consider Eomer to be more innocent than hairy I do share Shasta's attitude towards the lynching. They (Eönwë and EW) were too "suspicious" to be wolves, really. I said it already yesterDay and I say it now once again. So now we have two large bandwagons searching the real culprits from is just painful. But I'll try to do something to that end the next.

Also it would be helpful if someone had time to see who remained silent about Nerwen when she was the talk of the town. That might shed some light indeed.

[satansaloser2005]

Hmph. Wish I had some more time to post but I need to be heading out in like....erm, now-ish. *is not a morning person* Anyway, I'll try to pop back in at lunch and check up on things, so you probably won't here from me for a bit just so you all know.


In the meantime....well, I've got nothing. Sorry I don't really have time for a proper post, but I've got to hurry off to work. Play nice while I'm gone. ;)


EDIT: x'd with Noggie

[Kitanna]

Nerwen
Post # 6:
Nothing much IC.
Post # 12:
A joking accusation of EW. Some fangurl gibberish about the movies. Again nothing much to go on.
Post # 14:
More rubbish, this time about cannons as opposed to canon.
Post # 19:
Responds to my joking accusation of Boro as a hacker. Calls Boro a hacker. States Harry Potter sucks or sux as she put it.
Post # 24:
ppl who do lots of loNg posts sayng nUthing & then maek liSts taht dont maek sence r up 2 sumthing IMHO.
This is what set me off about Nerwen because she said long lists don't make sense and those who make them are up to something. Yet she was making frequent short posts that meant almost nothing. A habit she kept up until she had to drop out.
Post # 30:
if ppl th1nk oth3r ppl R evul they should say Y.

1f they dont it looks liek their hiding beh1nd th3ir r0les.
And again that's what she was doing, hiding behind her role as rabid fangurl.
Post # 31:
IC making fun of Eomer. Commenting on his ability to looking into her soul.
Post # 34:
Responding to Nilp's IC remarks about her listening to Melkor and Mandos saying she was innocent.
Post # 37:
A little bit of something, finally. Mostly believes Eonwe, Sally, myself, and to a degree Durelin are just IC with our first votes. Though she is wary of Durelin, not sure what set her apart. Probably IC rubbish on Nerwen's part. Does cast some suspicion on Nogrod. Also says Nilp and Form argued a lot without saying anything.
Post # 38:
IC rubbish.
Post # 43:
Switching to normal speak. Asks Nilp to elaborate his list.
Post # 49:
Casts suspicion onto Sixth for his remark about lynching her. Also brings about the first about the "Agan/Nilp/Form brawl".
Post # 99:
Just letting everyone know she's back. Half IC chatspeak.
Post # 107:
Answers a question from Agan about the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl statement. Looks at Eomer and Eonwe for casting a vote for Mith who cast a vote for sally who cast a vote for Sixth. Didn't find Mith suspicious, but didn't say whether or not she found Eonwe or Eomer suspicious either.
Post # 113:
Defends self and Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory.
Post # 118:
Votes Eonwe. Stating he's the most suspicious. Partly self-preservation, but hadn't really cast much his way before this vote. Just a brief mention alongside Eomer.
Post # 129:
Asked if she could still talk after deadline.
Post # 136:
Makes a "ranger is unappreciated" statement.
Post # 147:
Again clarifying Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory. Gives her reasons as to why. Clarifies cobbler role.
Post # 152:
Return to IC rubbish because she's bored.
Post # 160:

Maybe I'm prejudiced here, Aganzir, but your activity yesterDay gives me a nasty impression of shopping around for someone to lynch.

On the other hand, at least you didn't vote "at random" or giving IC reasons, unlike some people I could mention.
On Day 1 she had made a remark regarding people not saying why they suspected others and yet she does something like that here. Deliberately not pointing out those she disapproved of because of random/IC voting. Also puts some suspicions on Agan.
Post # 165:
Responds to Boro. Lists those random/IC voters. They consist of Eonwe, Form, Kath, and EW. Says Eonwe was just picking up on what someone else said (most probably Eomer). Calls Form pre-defensive because of his early vote and his defense of self. Says Kath didn't even try to explain her vote, which is true. Says the same of EW.
Post # 166:
Claims Agan was trying to get Sixth and herself lynched. It's pretty much a post responding to Agan or Aganwolf as she refers to her in one post.
Post # 174:
Responds to my vote, asks some questions I didn't have a chance to answer. Responds to something Rikae asked in regards to Eonwe.
Post # 175:
Brought up this is EW's third game. Though that doesn't necessarily have any bearing. Says he could be a newbie wolf, but suggests he may be the cobbler.
Post # 206:
Announces presence and that she's reading through the thread.
Post # 219:
Doesn't following my vote reasoning. But is willing to let Agan slide though she had suspected her quite heavily earlier in the Day. Believes EW is guilty.
Post # 277:
Asks about the deadline.
Post # 234:
Votes EW.
Post # 236:
Reminds us there are those who haven't voted.
Post # 243:
I prefer "loquacious" myself.
Final post.

So what can we gather from Nerwen's posts? She spoke often, saying little. Though she did cast suspicion on both lynching victims, she only voted for one (EW), but that was when it didn't look like that's where she was headed. She makes connection to many, but not strong enough to prove anything. Boro and Agan are the two she comes right out and calls wolves. Boro in jest, Agan in defense of herself.
Theories
1) Agan is a fellow wolf. Nerwen suspected her just enough so that if one was lynched the other may look good by comparison. If that makes sense. There's a connection on Nerwen's part, but not a strong one. It'd be a very bold move for both of them to suspect each so much and then vote elsewhere.
2) Agan is not a fellow wolf. Up to mischief maybe, but not a wolf. Nerwen calls her a wolf and seems to be inclined to vote for Agan. Yet when I put in my reasons and vote she backs off and votes for EW.
3) She had a wolf connection with Nilp or Form the remaining two in her Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory. It would be a nice little connection to a fellow wolf to cast some theory on them on Day 1, but not really act on it.
4) Eonwe is a fellow wolf. She voted him Day 1 and found him suspicious Day 2. Like Agan she seemed more inclined to vote for Eonwe again than EW, but still she voted EW in the end.

Those were just some theories I thought up while reading Nerwen's posts. I think theories 2 and 3 are probably the most plausible. For the most part I think in her voting and actions Nerwen was trying to make certain people look bad to leave a trail toward an innocent in the case of her death. If that is the case, than I am inclined to believe Agan is innocent of wolvery. Cobbler, maybe, but based on Nerwen's posts and connection with Agan I'd say they were sloppy wolves indeed to play so boldly so early.

[Durelin]

Durelin makes some clever observations.

[Nogrod]

I sincerely hope, given the sheer number of EW votes, that I won't be considered odd for thinking there's a wolf hidden in them somewhere--although I'm actually inclined to think otherwise, given how absolutely bandwaggonish they are. Indeed, after Rikae's vote, they are all essentially tacked on: they neither assisted in getting EW dead (save insofar as they didn't increase the Eönwë count), nor did they come with much in the way of justification.But the point is there are nine votes for the EW. All other voters stand up from that crowd so it's the safest place for a wolf...

This is going to be a long one... but mind you: it's you speaking here, not me. :rolleyes:

So on Day2 the following took place (from the early Day to the end).

Form suspects EW for the timing of his vote.

Shasta doubts the x'ing of posts by Eönwë and Eomer and suspects EW's vote.

Nilp votes Eönwë: "He remains the most suspicious for me" (earlier point on him aside from the voting on Day1: "Eönwë is quite prickly toDAY. *rubs chin*").

Kitanna suspects most Eonwe who "voted not long after Eomer for Mith based on her vote for Sally who was the first to vote for Sixth (and the Elf-warrior for placing the third vote for Sixth).

Interestingly Nerwen says the following: "Eönwë does give some actual reason for his vote, but it looks like he's just picking up on things other people have said." And: "Neither does The Elf-warrior (explain his vote) – and he's pre-defensive. Not only that, unlike the others he's "randomly" casting the third vote on The Sixth Wizard, bringing him into the lead."

Kit suspects Eönwë for his vote coming out of the blue.

Rikae says: "The Elf-Warrior started ringing my alarm bells from his first post yesterDay, and his vote is one of the most evil looking I have ever seen." But makes a host of reservations after that. Doubts Shasta's implications of foul X'ing.

Form talks of the EW: "Elf-warrior's vote, as I have said, looks very bad. Not only did it solidly put Sixth in the lead--a lead he never lost, it was done for very vague reasons."

Nerwen: "It appears this is The Elf-Warrior's third game, and unless he was a wolf in his first, he has never been one. So... are his tactics too bold for a newbie-wolf? His vote looks extremely non-innocent, but perhaps he is the cobbler/spammer?"

Mith suspects EW's vote: "with such a wide field it was decisive and so anything but random."

Rikae says: "Eönwë's vote doesn't look particularly well-reasoned anyway." And: "If EW doesn't start speaking up in a helpful and non-evil manner very soon, I suggest we lynch him. He's contributing very little and what he does contribute exudes evil. "

Eomer thinks Eönwë might be the spammer.

Mith says: "Eonwe's post is odd but maybe too conspicuous for a wolf - it is very attention seeking to copy cat like that." Votes the EW for: "I don't know what he was doing with that vote but it wasn't random."

Eomer's analysis on all: "Eonwe: Seems like trouble, Elf Warrior: Almost certainly up to something. Not sure what."

Boro: I don't buy into Eonwe's vote for Mith as being a bandwagoning wolf.

The Ka defends Eönwë's integrity but votes Eönwë as well: "Only because out of my indecision, it’s the one I think know more about at the moment."

Aganzir analyses: "EW. I don't like him, either. But I'd like to point out that, if I remember correctly, the last time I played with him he was suspected for pretty much the same reasons and was innocent, so although suspicious, his behaviour isn't necessarily wolfish. But he definitely isn't of much help to the village, and if those are to be lynched, it should be done early." And: "Eönwë. I can't see anything that suspicious about him. Maybe because he's still relatively new to ww and somehow I believe he would be more apparent if a wolf."

EW votes Eönwë.

Agan commets EW's fast vote for Eönwë: "I am seriously tempted to vote for EW."

Shasta comments on the same issue: "Making this the second day in a row that Elf-Warrior's cast a vote for the person with the most votes with no explanation..."

And Eönwë about the EW: "Votes for me after two others have, and with no reason either."

Form says: "Eönwë has struck me as a rather annoying in his playing style, but this is more along the line of personalities than hard suspicions, and people rubbing each other the wrong way happens in WW. I have been accused of the same myself, and I think I should know better than to vote people off based on pure dislike." Votes the EW but talks merely of Mith and her connection to him... Then he adds: "Eönwë will not be much missed by me if he should go, but I am rather surprised that such attention has accrued to him. Overall, he strikes me as more non-useful than clearly malevolent."

Eomer votes the EW: "Agree with many others here. Elf-Warrior has to go. He is clearly up to no good"

Boro defends Eönwë: "I don't want to see Eonwe lynched" And adds: "Thus, I would rather vote for Elf-warrior than Eonwe. But, I caution against a counter-bandwagon here against EW."

Shasta comments: "I personally wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone, because he and Eomer still strike me as the most suspicious from yesterday. Elf-warrior isn't being actively unhelpful; maybe he's just having issues?"

Shasta votes for Eönwë for reasons "already stated".

Eönwë votes the EW.

Boro says: "Elf-Warrior's behavior surely is odd, but I agree that his behavior doesn't look like a hacker. It's not helpful, but the only reason I can see EW being a hacker is if they are sacrificing him."

Rikae votes for the EW: "Well, Elf Warrior seems to be making himself scarce. I say, let's get to the bottom of this"

Nerwolf says: "I can't really see any good reason not to vote The Elf-Warrior, after his latest effort"

Aganzir says: "I don't find it very likely EW is a wolf, but if he continues playing the way he does, he's only dead weight."

Boro: "in this case...There was Eonwe and Elf-warrior, of those two I would vote for Elf-warrior, but I would prefer to vote Nerwen"

Sally comes in: "Eon: Again, in the last game he was very quiet. But wasn't the last game his first? If I'm right about that, I'm going to ignore his change in talking level. On another level, people (okay, Form, etc.) have accused him of being unhelpful. I'm not saying I agree or not, but I think just because he's not terribly "useful" means that he's evil" And adds: "If we want to kill Eon, fine, but come up with a better reason than "he's not helpful.""

Nerwen votes the EW.

Sally votes the EW "of the three..."

Nogrod comments: "Both (Eönwë & EW) have played a bit too risky to be wolves but perhaps Eönwë more so. Although his outstanding activity might tell he's having a lupine role and he wishes to play a lot..."

Boro votes for the EW.

Agan votes for the EW: "Well not that it really matters anymore"


A few thoughts to follow...

[Nogrod]

Looking at the above list from yesterDay and adding a few other general feelings I'd say the following.

Suspicious:
Nilp
The Ka
Eönwë


Innocentish:
Aganzir
Boro
Sally
Shasta


Baffled about:
Mith
Eomer
Form
Kitanna
Dury

Although it need to be remembered that someone has changed sides last Night and these are only feelings from yesterDay.

I'm off to have fun with Lommy & Greenie and prepare some dinner to us. I*ll be back later.

[Eönwë]

Kath? But agree with what most people have said- no trails.

Ok, but now it means that we have an extra wolf. One that wasn't there before. I don't think they'll be easy to find, but we shouldn't abandon hope altogether.

To me, the person with the biggest change over last night was Shasta. Until today he was very quiet, or at least very laid back and even though he posted, he didn't really say much. Today, he seemed much more lively and engaging in conversation. But maybe this is just a matter of time restraints (like my non-activity today before now). We'll just have to see if it develops into something.

Now, off to analyse some posts.... And catch up on what I've missed.

[Eönwë]

Wow, this is a quiet day...:rolleyes:

[Durelin]

Well it took me absolutely forever to go back and read through things. And I am extremely clueless.

I am going to assume for now that Rikae, Kitanna, Aganzir, and Boro are innocent, because they were at least sorta fairly consistently after Nerwen (Agan on Day 1 and 2, Boro on Day 2) or actually voted for her. Rikae and Kitanna voted for her on Day 1. There's really no reason for any wolf-on-wolf, as early as Kitanna voted especially, and Rikae's vote tied Nerwen with everyone else 'in the lead'. So Rikae is the most innocent at this point. Boro is the least innocent seeming.

On the other hand, Boro's and Agan's campaigns against Nerwen seem so neat, and interestingly these seemed to be their top suspects:

The Sixth, EW, and Nerwen. Two of the three end up lynched. The one that doesn't is a wolf. They were more consistently after her than anyone, I think, but they didn't vote for her either Day. Yes, there's that whole not throwing your vote away thing, but... Boro's "Nerwen, I'll be arguing for you tomorrow" seems very conveniently places.

Anyway, my new handy-dandy list of the others (I hope all), in no particular order:
Eomer
Nilp
Shasta
Mith
Sally
Nogrod
Eonwe
Ka
Formendacil

Eonwe sorta-kinda went after Nerwen. He started in his very first post on Day 1 by saying that she wasn't doing anything useful, just posting randomly. But then he picks up on her Agan/Nilp/Form thing for a bit. Then he votes for Mith. On Day 2 Nerwen goes after him just a little bit and he defends himself. Right now I think I'm gonna add him to my for-now-assumed-probably-innocent list that I talked about above.

Nogrod and Eomer fall under the sorta defended Nerwen but not really category. I could fall under this, too, because of what I said on Day 1 about her being an easy wolf target, but they have that going on on Day 2, too. (Yes, I wasn't there, so who knows about me!) Of those two, Nogrod I think was more obvious about it.

Nilp...after his back and forth thing on Day 1, he seemed to try and remain pretty neutral about Nerwen. He has made sure to be ciritcal of the voting and the lynch targets, but I have been a bit, too. I thought of Nerwen as the easy lynch target on Day 1, too, because...well, seriously, the only reason she got attention at that point was because of her role.

Sally is an example of maintaining the middle ground on Nerwen. Talking about her as suspicious looking, but not trying to give any good reasons (holding onto simple ones like, "wow, she's posting a lot!").

Shasta made sure to talk about Nerwen, but kept what he said as neutral observation, and put her on a "Innocent" list with Mith. And then there's his interacting with her that is pure IC.

Mith, Ka, and Formendacil all seemed to have avoided talking about Nerwen at all, really. Form mocked her chat-speak and interacted with her about the whole ranger thing, and agreed with her on something she said about EW. On Day 1 Ka jokes we should keep her around because she's amusing. And also on Day 1 Mith simple mentions that "oh, Nerwen's very noisy," but follows that up with "but quiet people are scary too and there are lots of them!" She practically picks up Nog's anti-submarine campaign.

Speaking of which...based on the wolf kills, I'd say we must have a Nogwolf... :p

[Mithalwen]

Sorry Mith, you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t. :p


Story of my life in so many ways.... but Eomer I think (and with a only too acute sense of irony) that you may be taking this too personally. You may have to consider that the game isn't revolving around you. :p

I don't know why people are suprised about Kath being killed. She made few posts but she is a very good player, the wolves may have thought it worth getting her out of the way before she could get more active.

Also if she was the ranger save then the wolves, as Nilp points out, having been foiled may have wanted a certain kill. Eomer's kill list doesn't factor in our very talented ranger. I can't remember a game where a ranger got it right first time. And in this game there was even a possibility that Kath was the ranger.

I hope to be around a bit longer but real life factors are conspiring against me - see admin thread.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I see, yet another day when Mith rambles away to herself like the crazywoman she is and then no doubt you all emerge the second I am gone. Well I shall give it about half an hour and then shall ramble a bit more, vote and leave ...

[Durelin]

Alright, some conclusions from my ramblings:

Vaguely in order of suspicion (vaguely because I am incredibly indecisive):

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Aganzir makes good points about Nilp I guess, but I'm just not feeling it.

I really like Shasta right now, with his arguing of principles and such, which is why I think he might well be a wolf.

Mith and Sally feel slippery. It seems like they're trying to be...nice.

Eomer bothers me. He's channeling phantom-ness.

It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now.

Sally - Eonwe seems cheesy...he seems to me like he's trying too hard to be surprised at things, to be interested in things, to look like he's doing something...you know, bad acting.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick check-in post. Sorry, can't stay (only have about two minutes) but I'm letting you know that I WILL be back at the end of the Day to vote. And I mean the end. (Good thing the Downs clock is slow though.) See you all then.


P.S. Ah. Gotcha, Durelin. Thought that might have been what you meant, but wasn't sure. Okay, gotta rush now. G'bye.

[Mithalwen]

Me, try to be nice? Lol - my heart is usually firmly on my sleeve and I can't believe that I can be tramsmitting much other than grumpiness and a drop of sarcasm.

Can someone explain this principle of Noggie's. I am not sure I can see the moral highground of voting for Kit when it didn't matter. I am not sure what is the point of principles only invoked when they are irrelevant, it doesn't inspire a great deal of faith in the courage of his convictions.

If I give up trying to sort through the posts (and time is against me) I may well may well vote for him on the principle that I am getting heartily fed up with him acting as some kind of cyber sheep-dog, voting literally at at the last minute, expecting everyone else to vote before him, then wringing his hands in moral outrage when they fail to do what he wants. Especially as when he has done it in other games he has played he has been a wolf. Just seems like such a major back covering exercise as if he is terrified a vote may incriminate him in some way - manipulative without risking the exposure of taking a lead.

I will have another think because Form was right that personal irritation may be a dangerous guide... and now I have that fully out of my system .. I may be able to see clearer ... or not...

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A few words before voting:

Love the SAVE, Durelin. :D


Made you look, implies sally's sig.


Shasta has an avatar now!


Speaking of Shasta, the Shasta/Eomer show feels a bit staged to me. Hmmm . . .


Enedwaith, cuz: I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent. (Eomer)Actually, the best I can remember of your wolvish behaviour is attacking spawn, calling her a liar, me getting vengeance, and a bloody Saucepan victory. So, sorry, you can't really tell us how you'd act as a Wolf. ;)


Judging from Nerwen's voting, I'd say Eönwë's innocent, too. Gah.

Augh, my brain is still dead and dry. I find no-one really suspicious, and I'm tempted just to vote for the least-suspicious-seeming person cos I feel I've been barking up the wrong trees . . .

All I can say is I don't buy assuming people innocent just because they thought Nerwen suspicious . . . you can say all you want about someone, but it all comes down to voting, whether you really want the person you suspect lynched or not. Boromir and Aganzir, as I've said before, did not follow through their suspicion by voting.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That was ages ago, Nilp. In the last 42000 times I've been a wolf I've been far calmer. :D

What's with Nilp waking up so early to be around at deadline, though? I don't remember seeing that before. Could the stakes be too high for sleep, dear cousin?

I think Mith has a good point about Nogrod. I'm already wary of him so the pieces certainly fit. I'm thinking Nogrod, Nilp and Shasta, two of those as the original wolf.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I play to win now, cuz, no longer merely to have fun. ;) Although getting votes is still quite a rush . . .

Besides, I'm already awake trying to cudgel my mind into churning a thousand words in German for a paper on Enlightenment and the Philippines.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta seems utterly against Eomer on his assurance of EW's guilt based upon what to me looks like the above theory. I know yesterday at least Rikae was following the same sort thing, calling EW "dead weight" at one point. So, why attack Eomer about it, Shasta?

Why Eomer and not Rikae? Because due to something someone else (I think it was actually you, Kitanna!) said, Rikae seems innocent to me based on her first-day Nerwen vote. Part of it, though, is that I've been suspicious of Eomer since Day 1 and this just adds fuel to the fire.

To me, the person with the biggest change over last night was Shasta. Until today he was very quiet, or at least very laid back and even though he posted, he didn't really say much. Today, he seemed much more lively and engaging in conversation. But maybe this is just a matter of time restraints (like my non-activity today before now). We'll just have to see if it develops into something.

Yes... During the extended Night 3, I was forced to sell my car. Now that I'm stuck at home with no place to go and nothing to do, I may as well sit here at the computer and post for all I'm worth. :rolleyes:


I really like Shasta right now, with his arguing of principles and such, which is why I think he might well be a wolf.

Dury! How could you! :p

I may well may well vote for him on the principle that I am getting heartily fed up with him acting as some kind of cyber sheep-dog, voting literally at at the last minute, expecting everyone else to vote before him, then wringing his hands in moral outrage when they fail to do what he wants. Especially as when he has done it in other games he has played he has been a wolf. Just seems like such a major back covering exercise as if he is terrified a vote may incriminate him in some way - manipulative without risking the exposure of taking a lead.

And I do like this point of Mith's. I may just go back and take a good look at our dear wannabe-moderator.

Shasta has an avatar now!

Yay, someone noticed! You like it? :D

Edit: X'd with Eomer and Nilp. Boy, someone's suspicions sure have changed, haven't they?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Besides, if you want high stakes, I could have done this during the previous (DW) game . . . might have won it, too, I fancy, had I been around that DAY.

Erenor my mother does make sense about Nogrod, although I don't remember playing with him to know what his normal playing style is. I may have played in a game where he was in, too, but . . . not that you're forgettable or anything, sir Noggie. ;) I'm just forgetful, perhaps.

My radar is really off right now, rargh. Ah well, we still do have our Moderators . . . I do hope our Seer has a proper sense of revelation timing, though . . . she might go jump out after having revealed just one Hacker, only to realise in the end that the others are rather too cunning at blending in.

[Mithalwen]

Mith simple mentions that "oh, Nerwen's very noisy," but follows that up with "but quiet people are scary too and there are lots of them!"

what I actually said was I found Nerwen annoying but I don't know if that is just the first day banter or something more sinister. It is such a change from her usual calm, almost calculating style that I find it hard to judge. Maybe she is just having fun.

Dury - I appreciate you were summarising but I think this borders on misrepresentation, which makes me uneasy, however the "Save" was so brilliant that I shall leave it for now, though it can also be risky to disregard things because their writers amuse (I never wanted to vote for Ang in the teeth of the evidence because his posts were so delightful.

However I have skimmed again and it strikes me that not only is Nogrod being quietly amnipulative but he is being quiet.... normally you can't look away for a moment without there being more analysis. This time ( and I don't regard it as a bad thing as such) there are many others who are much more active in the discussion. Hard as it is to believe but Nogrod seems to be flying under the radar. Is that because in the classic scenario, Nerwen was a very loud wolf indeed?

Well I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him.

++Nogrod

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Edit: X'd with Eomer and Nilp. Boy, someone's suspicions sure have changed, haven't they?

Is this me, you're talking about? Could it be that things changed after we found a wolf?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Is this me, you're talking about? Could it be that things changed after we found a wolf?

I was talking about your out-of-the-blue suspicion of Nilp.

[Durelin]

Ah, I missed that statement about Nerwen, Mith, which was in the post previous to the one I was paraphrasing (#63 was the one I talked about).

Too bad Shasta and Eomer can't just duel and get a few things out of the way.

(Edited because I figured I should really mention who my first statement was directed to!)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Not exactly out of the blue, Shasta, he's been suspecting me since DAY 2.

[Nogrod]

Speaking of which...based on the wolf kills, I'd say we must have a Nogwolf... :pA wolf kill... you mean? Yes I'm totally terrified by Kath to be sure...

Mith, Ka, and Formendacil all seemed to have avoided talking about Nerwen at all, really.Good work! I will keep this in mind.

Can someone explain this principle of Noggie's. I am not sure I can see the moral highground of voting for Kit when it didn't matter.
...
I may well may well vote for him on the principle that I am getting heartily fed up with him acting as some kind of cyber sheep-dog, voting literally at at the last minute, expecting everyone else to vote before him, then wringing his hands in moral outrage when they fail to do what he wants. Especially as when he has done it in other games he has played he has been a wolf. Just seems like such a major back covering exercise as if he is terrified a vote may incriminate him in some way - manipulative without risking the exposure of taking a lead.First of all I always vote late if I just have a chance. I want to influence the game with my vote and with no retractions you need to vote late then. Some Days it is crucial how the last votes go, some Days it doesn't matter the slightest as all the decisions have been done already. But that's not something one can predict or control as it depends on how others vote. YesterDay there was nothing to do in the end, on Day1 there was a situation where it could have turned anyway and thence it was vital (even if I did the wrong decision back then).

Go back to any of the games I've played and see for yourself; I always vote late if possible. So the idea that I'd be doing it only when I'm a baddie is downright wrong and you Mith know it (you were wolf once alone with me at the DL and you remember that - I was the innocent who had no heart to get you lynched even if I should have done it). Now why you try to bring that kind of misinterpretation up m'dear?

Secondly: it seems you're a bit more touchy than normal as you seem to interpret me parading a moral highground when I don't think I've done that. Yes I said - already yesterDay, among Boro and Agan - that our choises were bad ones. But has your lycanthrope soul started to feel jealous of us who can say it with a clear conscience that we disliked the decisions others made? I mean a wolf needs to go with the flow or come up with some faulty reasons of her own...

And anyhow. As you haven't said you're innocent I'm leaning towards thinking you're one of the wolves. You know having a reputation of never lying about these things is all fine and dandy as long as you're innocent (although it spoils part of the game) but if you now happen to be a wolf then you'll see that advance bouncing you back.

So I'm waiting for your next post...

EDIT: X'd with a host of posts... including Mith's vote...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Not exactly out of the blue, Shasta, he's been suspecting me since DAY 2.

Trying to get on my good side? :D

Fair comeback, Nogrod. Shasta and I are both tired so maybe we'll get the popcorn out and watch two others go at it. :smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You have a good side, Eomer? That's a surprise! :p

Well, sorry to disappoint you chappies, but Mummie Mith has left the building, so to speak.

[Nogrod]

Well, sorry to disappoint you chappies, but Mummie Mith has left the building, so to speak.Yeah, I sadly realised that after pushing the send -button...

But I've played with her enough to say that she is one of the most considerate players there is and now she's pretending something else. Maybe she's the cobbler, maybe a wolf, who knows, but she's not innocent.

I need to look at some other issues as well before the dealine - and Lommy and Greenie wait for me to join the planning of our RPG later this summer...

[Kitanna]

So I've been poking around at those who voted for Eonwe and for Eonwe himself. Someone (Form I believe) took a look at EW voters and since Eonwe was next in line with the highest vote count I figure it may be prudent to examine them as well.

The following is based on Day 2 posts. It would be ideal if I could looked at Day 1 as well, but I may not have the time or attention span to dedicate to that.
Nilp:
His first post of the day pretty much recapped Day 1's events. He voiced mild suspicions on Eonwe, Eomer, Rikae, and to some degree Nogrod.
His second post defends Kath's random vote as not being wolf-on-wolf.
The next posts highlights what he thinks of some villagers.
He voted for Eonwe saying he was the most suspicious and he had done nothing to assuage his suspicions.

Ka:
Her first post was little more than an "I'm here" statement.
Her next post she talks about trying to avoid a Agan/Form/Nilp bandwagon and that was behind on the posts when she had voted. States she felt Agan had forced herself to look indecisivel with her vote. Mostly talked about wanting to avoid certain bandwagons from Day 1.
The next post she half defends Eonwe's voting placement as a simple cross post. She states being unsure about Mith as well Sally. She half suspects Agan, looks most probably on past experiences than anything else. Doesn't really hold any suspicions of Nilp unsure about Boro and Form. Voted for Eonwe out of indecision.

Elf-Warrior:
First post clarified gender.
Next voted for Eonwe with no time to explain.

Shasta:
First post of the day was mostly stating he was there.
Next post rates the village as such:
Suspicious: Eomer, Eonwe

Sort-Of Suspicious: Kath, Sally, Elf-warrior

Mediocre: Everyone not mentioned above or below this line -----------------------

Not-So Suspicious: Nogrod

Not Suspicious: Mith, Nerwen
Does some Nerwen translation next. Responds to a Nilp query and answers a question I had posed about wolf-on-wolf voting.
Makes a voting list and points out "this the second day in a row that Elf-Warrior's cast a vote for the person with the most votes with no explanation..."
Next is a deadline question.
Says Eonwe and Eomer look the most suspicions and says he wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone.
The next posts are answering rule questions and translation.
Finally a vote for Eonwe.

Eonwe


Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund View Post
Random, but if she had evil intent I think she would have chosen someone with a vote already, perhaps even VI or Nerwen
What? She started a bandwagon against an innocent!
In reference to Kath starting a bandwagon against Eonwe and Nilp's response to Kath doing wolf-on-wolf.
Next post is a defense of his cross posting with Eomer on voting for Mith.


Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim View Post
Eonwe, not that I agree with Nilp's reasoning, but I wouldn't say that voting for someone yet to receive a vote is starting a bandwagon.
You're right.In fact, it may have been Nilp that started that, then Nerwen joined in, making it the 3rd vote, which I think could (And maybe should) be classified as a bandwaggon.
Backtracks there about Kath starting a bandwagon. He had stated maybe Kath hadn't started it on purpose, but once called out by Eomer that it doesn't necessarily equal a bandwagon on the first vote he backs off.
The next two posts are fairly unhelpful. He responds to one of Nerwen's queries about conspiracy theories, stating it was a thrown away theory he made IC. Though I'm a bit confused as to what theory the were talking about.
Next he recaps the votes, somewhat saddened Nilp has voted for him.
To correct my last, post, I will say that maybe a bandwaggon is forming, and against me!

Most suspicious person on my list:
The Elf-Warrior

Votes for me after two others have, and with no reason either. Then again, THE Ka seemed like she didn't think I was guilty, but then voted me.



Elf-Warrior, if you don't sayy someting to convinve me otherwise in the next 30 minutes, I think I might have to vote you.
A vote for EW would certainly have been a self-preservation vote. But what made EW the most suspicious? Eonwe could have picked Agan to vote for who, like EW, had one vote.
Next he votes EW. At this point Eonwe led the votes as the lynch candidate by one vote. His vote for EW was most probably self-preservation.
Recaps the votes again a bit later.
The next is nothing more than verifying this was EW's second game.

What does this teach us? That I need to not be lazy and go back to Day 1 to dig deeper. I, however, probably won't. I admit to my own laziness and if I do that I may actually miss the vote as I dig deeper for answers that may not even be there anymore (given the addition of a new hacker and all).

But as far as yesterday is concerned Ka and EW seemed to vote fairly randomly. Nilp suspected Eonwe from the first post of the day. Shasta is much the same stating Eonwe as one of his most suspicious early on. Ka may be up to mischief voting on indecision for someone who had already garnered one vote. I'm unsure what to think about Shasta and Nilp.

And as for Eonwe. He was somewhat opposed with his own bandwagon from Day 1. And he voted most likely to save his skin on Day 2. Though why he picked EW is a bit of a mystery to me. I might have missed something important... He's quick to jump to his own defense over even the most minor of attacks.

Why Eomer and not Rikae? Because due to something someone else (I think it was actually you, Kitanna!) said, Rikae seems innocent to me based on her first-day Nerwen vote. Part of it, though, is that I've been suspicious of Eomer since Day 1 and this just adds fuel to the fire.
Fair enough. I was curious as to why Eomer jumped out at you over the others who voted for EW.

I'm a bit baffled as what to do.
I think Eonwe is up to no good.
I haven't completely dropped my suspicions of Agan, but I'm leaning more on cobbler rather than hacker due to what we've learned about Nerwen.
As far as Shasta and Eomer are concerned, did they stage it? Maybe. If not Eomer looks a bit worse to me. I base that on our colorful WW history, as he put it. I have seen many wolfish faces to Eomer and his behavior today raises my eyebrow, though I don't know how inclined to vote for him I am.
Ka and Nilp remains a mystery to me.
Those are the five who I've looked at the closest today. I'll probably dig around some more and try to uncover any outstanding clues to go off of. But chances are good I will vote for Eonwe. He has jumped out the most to me thus far.

[Durelin]

A wolf kill... you mean? Yes I'm totally terrified by Kath to be sure...

Oh bother. I keep thinking of McCaber as a wolf kill. I know he wasn't but I just keep seeing his name and thinking that. Blah.

What I was thinking was that you'd be one to take down the quiet ones. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nilp’s post 111. Says Nerwen is ‘’genuine in her eagerness to help this fair village’’. Yeah.

Nilp 134. Use of elipses seems to grudgingly accept that Kitanna was warranted voting for Nerwen. Rikae is not so warranted, though.

Shasta 144. Nerwen is ‘’not suspicious’’.

Nilp 156. Thinks Shasta is helpful and wants to keep him around. The only villager who gets this respect.

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There are a couple of other, piecemeal reasons why they are suspicious to me, but these relate to Nerwen, our known wolf, and are worth quantifying. The pair o' them look bad to me.

[Rikae]

I'm sorry, everybody - RL things have stolen all my time and mental energy today. I'm going to vote based purely on a hunch:

++Formendacil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm sorry, everybody - RL things have stolen all my time and mental energy today. I'm going to vote based purely on a hunch:

++Formendacil


GASP. WE MUST VOTE HER FOR BEING UNHELPFUL!

plusplusRikae

.....

:rolleyes:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I have to go now, it's 5:30am here already and I still have to endure two or so hours of commute to school, where my first class shall commence at 8:30.

I really don't know who to vote, so instead of stabbing in the dark, I shall pull a Kath and abstain from voting toDAY.

Rest assured, if you still want me, I'd be more helpful, cerebral, analytical, whatever you want, tomorrow.

Or maybe I'll help you get me lynched? Nah, you're perfectly capable of doing that on your own. ;)

++[null vote]

PS. Yes, Eomer, I'd be that obvious talking to a fellow Hacker. ;) *coughcoughprevioustwogames*

[Kitanna]

++Eonwe
I haven't really uncovered anything else and Eonwe stands out the most to me.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself. :p

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

I might have voted Shasta but I remembered Aganzir already voted Nilp so I'm totally bandwagoning!!!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself. :p

++NILPAURION FELAGUND

I might have voted Shasta but I remembered Aganzir already voted Nilp so I'm totally bandwagoning!!!

++Eomer

Love you too, :p.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If I go down...

[Boromir88]

However I have skimmed again and it strikes me that not only is Nogrod being quietly amnipulative but he is being quiet.... normally you can't look away for a moment without there being more analysis.~Mith
But Nogrod is a loud wolf too. This seems like it's kind of shaky, Mith. Also, something Nogrod makes a good point about is to look at those who had very little interaction with Nerwen. I'd also say to look at the one's who had a neutral/more defensive view of Nerwen.

Nerwen came under heat in Day 1, but by Day 2 everyone thought she was just a victim of the wolves. And to relieve some of that pressure I can definitely imagine at least one of her packmates trying to push the "victim of the wolves" defense; or not even having contact with her at all, to try and not have so much interaction.

...you can say all you want about someone, but it all comes down to voting, whether you really want the person you suspect lynched or not. Boromir and Aganzir, as I've said before, did not follow through their suspicion by voting.~Nilp
True, I won't speak for Agan, but all I'll say is at least today she is one of the most innocent looking people. As for me, if I vote for Nerwen it's a wasted vote and I know I'd get suspected for not wanting "innocent" blood on my hands. I already said I don't want to see Eonwe lynched, EW's fate was already sealed, and so my vote turns out to be a waste no matter what. Hence why I said (inaccurately quoted by Durelin) "I'll be gunning for you tomorrow." I'll bring down all hell to make sure someone I think is very suspicious gets lynched, and I won't be happy until that person is lynched. Ask Form.

Nilp's non-vote is worrying and Mith's vote for Nogrod is too. I'll be back again once I read a little more thorougly this time. (When I said look at Nerwen's posts I didn't expect you to take it so seriously! :rolleyes: )

[Nogrod]

The votes this far...

Aganzir -> Nilp (following a long hunt...)
Mith -> Nogrod ("I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him")
Rikae -> Formendacil (on a hunch)
Nilp -> null vote
Kitanna -> Eönwë (he stands out the most)
Eomer -> Nilp 2 ("Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself." But there were rows already before that)
Shasta -> Eomer (to end the Day's row between the two)

Huh...

[Eönwë]

My internet is dying, so I had better vote quickly.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I will explain when I can...

[Nogrod]

I'd be ready to vote Mith toDay. She acts not in her normal way and with her I'd say that is a sign of something that is not for the good.

Kitanna seems to be an obsession to me in this game. Somehow she manages to look quite innocent post by post but still I just can't rid myself from the idea she's a wolf. All good and nice with her posting but then again toDay her vote on Eönwë looks like the easy way a wolf might go for... It doesn't help my position to realise I myself am a bit worried about Eönwë as well (have been from Day1) but Kit's vote bothers me as a safe one.

Rikae seems to have her hands full and she has been unprecedently low key on this - but so have I myself and thence I can't blame her for that. But I'm a bit worried.

Shasta's sudden burst of activity raises an eyebrow (as someone already mentioned) but the same goes for Eönwë as well throughout the game.

Nilp and the Ka are ones I need to look closer as I seem to suspect them with points others have made. I'll try to see if I can get a hold of them myself now.

I tend to trust the judgements of Aganzir and Boro due to their record this far and the sense they have spoken.

[Formendacil]

Well, catching up on this thread took all of twenty-odd minutes--much longer than I expected on the basis of posting from the start of the Day. Good to see though.

To Boromir's highly relevant remark that people aren't paying enough attention to Nerwen and her relationships, pre-death, I must admit this is a very valid criticism, but in my own defence I was quite tired and more than a little forgetful last night, by the time I got back online after my power failures. That being said, I've still got no thoughts on who Nerwen might have been wolfing with, in the basis of the Nerwen posts. It is my general assumption that most players of this game (most, not all) are adept enough to play somewhere in that vague zone between mentioning a fellow wolf and drawing attention to a fellow wolf, and Nerwen certainly struck me as one of the line-walking capable.

Not that there's nothing out there to indicate her comrades, just that I'm not confident enough in my ability to spot it bother digging with a single half-hour left in the Day, and nothing leaping out at me.

What is leaping out at me is the randomness of Rikae's vote for me--natural, given that it's got my name in bold letters and there's a certain rush that comes from being voted for, but I really must say that her complete lack of reasoning, even if grounded in real life reasons, is almost insulting. I'd like to hear what reasons people have for killing me, even if they are ludicrous.

Much like Eomer, I'm finding myself vastly more confident today about Mith's innocence, though for different reasons. As for Eomer himself, however, I'm in a quandary of doubt based on this quote:

I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent.

Now, unlike Nilp, I'm inclined to agree with this statement of Eomer's inclinations, but like Nilp, it gives me great cause for concern. While I'm willing to concede that Eomer has become a vastly more stable wolf than he originally was, I'm also entirely willing to credit him with presence of mind and strength of character to play the part of the bouncy, random ordo when he's actually the wolf. If he has indeed become a more cool, dismissive wolf, then this would bespeak a cunning and ability to plan that could easily translate into an act--as the loud, fight-seeker.

That being said, however, until he posted the above, I was feeling more sure about Eomer's innocence than I have all game. Clearly, other people are getting suspicious today, based on the votes, and I'm inclined to wonder if maybe Eomer is our freshly-bitten wolf.

More to come... must refresh, as there are sure to be more posts by now, and to recollect my thoughts.

[Boromir88]

By the spread of the voting it seems like everyone is dazed and confused. None of those who have received votes seem all that suspicious to me. I take back what I said about Nilp's vote (yes I've managed to change my mind in the last 20 minutes about that). I disagree with the decision to not vote, because I don't know why anyone would not vote (wolf included). Kath had a good reason to withhold her vote, Nilp's been around and participating today...

I guess the most suspicious one (who has received a vote) is Eomer. I've been pretty silent about him, and that's mostly because I didn't know what to think about him. He looks innocent, but he's a very scary player. There was very little interactiong between Eomer and Nerwen, also his behaviour here late is very strange. I mean really he's just sounding kind of crazy (I'm referring to his post where he voted for Nilp), that's always a bad sign. As someone else said (maybe Durelin? - I've read way too much in the last 30 or so minutes, I think I've had an overload), I'm starting to see a phantom-ness boldness in Eomer.

Alright, but Mith is the one who is raising the alarms here. Her vote for Nogrod seems just really out of the blue. (I guess you could say that about my suspicions on Eomer and Mith as well though). Nogrod's very dangerous, and he's completely fooled me before, but so far I feel he's pretty trusty. What's really odd about the vote is the reasoning too. I guess to borrow a word for it...it's "forced." It seems like she just chose Nogrod out of the blue and tried to say "well he's quiet and I always regret it when I don't vote for him."

Now, maybe Nogrod is being more quiet than usual, but Nogrod is an extremely loud wolf and he's not afraid to talk whether he's a wolf or not. Also, I just got done reading a few of his pretty long posts, so he's probably not as active as usual, but to me he's still looking pretty loud! (No offense Nogrod).

Edit: x'ed with every post up to 326

[Formendacil]

Okay, thoughts on the votes thus far...

Mith's vote for Nogrod strikes a chord with me, if only because her reasoning articulates so well my thoughts about him. Namely, "I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him." Nogrod is a player much like SPM was of old, and Boro is today: so formidable a player (or just a character... SPM had horrid luck, quite often) that one is pre-suspicious of him just on that basis. Nonetheless, I've been moderately suspicious of Nogrod since my castaway vote on Day 1, and I'm tempted to join Mith in this gesture.



On another topic, the anti-Nilp bids force me to reexamine Master Felagund. I think that the two of us had such a like attitude on Day 1 that I've ignored him since, seeing nought suspicious, but this is not a good idea, to just ignore someone. Nilp has been off of both the successful bandwaggons the past two Days, and has been noisy without making too much trouble.

The question, though, is whether is because he's clueless and affable or because he's clever and distracting. All my instincts lean toward the former, but recalling that I am over-inclined to agree with Nilp's mentality, I cannot but wonder if I might be more susceptible than most to his deceptions.


Definitely thinking of voting Nogrod... but am racked with scruples.

[Formendacil]

Boromir's defence of Nogrod against Mith's vote causes me to question myself, and it brings back to mind good reason to think Nogrod innocent--his quietness. Recollecting that this is (I take it on faith) the result of having his father present, it is not necessarily lynch-worthy.

On the other hand... Boromir's feeling of Eomer's guilt makes me doubt my own affirmation of Eomer's guilty-feeling quality, simply because I consider Boro fully capable of swaying us into the death of an ordo--or a gifted.

In this dazed state, I'm about ready to vote Boromir, but I'm not sure there's any good reason or point to doing that.

If nought else, I agree with Boromir that "everyone is dazed and confused." I certainly am... and becoming more the more I read.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Wonder if everyone will show up today. Almost time.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Don't bother with Boromir today, Form. No-one will take that up. Think on it more tomorrow.

[Boromir88]

Oh and something else I wanted to say (and look at) before I decide on who to vote for is I wonder if while Agan and I were discussing how we wanted to go after Nerwen if one of her buddies was around to prevent that and make EW's fate inevitable?

Going back to take a quick look back at yesterday, those who voted for EW whilst Agan and I were trying to see if lynching Nerwen was a possibility...

Eonwe
Rikae
Nerwen
Sally

Nerwen is obviously dead and a wolf, and I'll be captain obvious again by saying she's not going to vote for herself. I wonder if another wolf though wanted to make EW's lynch inevitable while there were still enough people to bandwagon against Nerwen.

Rikae looks the most innocent, as she had been after EW this entire time and plus I believe her when she said that it's time we put the EW thing to rest.

This would leave Sally and Eonwe, and I may have to start reconsidering my thoughts on Eonwe.

[Nogrod]

Even if I disagree with Form's deductions on me (naturally) I think he's an ordo.

Eomer looks like a good candidate for being the new wolf (as someone said already). His vote toDay is quite a scary one. Another suspect for being turned a wolf toDay is Shasta (his sudden burst of activity).

But those things will be for those to consider who live on to Day 5 or 6 or something. Now we still have two original wolves around and need to get them first.

My top suspects would be then:
Mith
Kitanna
Nilp
Eönwë
Rikae

About in that order.

[Durelin]

I'm here and waiting to vote either Shasta or Mith.

[Formendacil]

18 minutes left of forum time as I start this post, nine left on my watch, and the vote count stands as follows:

Aganzir -> Nilp (following a long hunt...)
Mith -> Nogrod ("I seldom regret voting for him and often regret not following through when I do suspect him")
Rikae -> Formendacil (on a hunch)
Nilp -> null vote
Kitanna -> Eönwë (he stands out the most)
Eomer -> Nilp 2 ("Oh come on, Nilp. At least vote for yourself." But there were rows already before that)
Shasta -> Eomer
Eönwë -> Nilp

3 for Nilp, 1 each for Nogrod, Formendacil, Eönwë, and Eomer.

I waver between Eomer and Nogrod. There's case enough against Nilp, but I cannot say I am convinced enough by it to join a front-running bandwaggon.

I would rather vote Nogrod than Eomer, but the Nogrod case just isn't grounded in a decent reasoning, but simply gut feeling. At least with Eomer, the gut feeling is willing to go either way, but I feel I have a real argument for voting.

Enough indecision.

++Eomer of the Rohirrim

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eomer looks like a good candidate for being the new wolf (as someone said already). His vote toDay is quite a scary one. Another suspect for being turned a wolf toDay is Shasta (his sudden burst of activity).

Scary? :confused:

And I don't see this about me or Shasta being turned because we finally got into a good argument. Surely the turned wolf would be very careful to stay as he/she was before?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ach, no.

2 votes.

Well...

I'm the Hunter.

[Boromir88]

++Mithalwen

I didn't buy her Day 1 vote for Sally and I'm not buying her vote for Nogrod.

[Durelin]

*sigh* Yes, yes, we figured by now you were someone important, the way you were acting...

++Mith

[Formendacil]

Ach, no.

2 votes.

Well...

I'm the Hunter.

*irritated*

You're not dead yet, you know... Nilp's still the front-runner.

Of course, if you don't die, we won't know for sure if you are hunter or not... and the wolves might not kill you tonight.

[Nogrod]

I'll say you follow the example of Boro if you don't trust me.

++ Mith

PS. Although I'm not entirely happy how Dury seems to echo my suspicions (she voted for Kitanna on Day1 as I had suspected her heavily... but yes, maybe we just reached the same conclusions?)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

With 2 votes and plenty of talk about me, and with minutes to spare, I'm not taking any chances. I'm not killing an innocent.

[satansaloser2005]

Erm....yeah. No time left, is there? *ponders*

Don't like the Mith bandwagon. Nilp dear I'm sorry but....



++Nilp

[Nogrod]

Mith and Nilp have 3 votes.

Anyone around?

EDIT: Sally changed it... Nilp 4 now.

[Formendacil]

I'll say you follow the example of Boro if you don't trust me.

Bit late for me to do that toDay, given that I'm already the aforementioned second vote for Eomer.

And there's always the consideration that even if Eomer's innocent, there's no need for Boromir to be also... though he does shine well in the currently light and my suspicions have descended merely to the "well, there's a logical possibility that" stage, at least for another Night.

[Brinniel]

Deadline. Silence everyone!

Nilpaurion Felagund has been lynched.

[satansaloser2005]

By the way, sorry for cutting it so close. Computer wouldn't start up properly. Eeps.



Eomer, I'm glad you're not dead but you weren't in the lead when you revealed. Was it really necessary? (Actually, looking at the time of it, it might have been.) I'll talk more about toDay toMorrow, but I feel I'm already going to be x'ing with our moddess so I'll shush for now. G'night children.



EDIT: Crud. I knew it. Sorry....

[Brinniel]

The death of Kath came as a shock to some, but the general consensus came that she was killed to leave no trail. A few were saddened by the fact that Kath was violently murdered before she ever had a voice, but they eventually got over it in order to proceed with the day.

The day started off with a bang when the all new Eomer vs. Shasta special aired live. The two went at each other’s throats as they fought over yesterday’s events, mostly the Elf-Warrior’s death. Unfortunately, the show was on at obscure hours during the day so most BDers missed the live thing, choosing to TiVo it instead. But lucky for Eomer and Shasta, the ratings went up when they chose to perform a brief encore episode later in the day.

While Eomer and Shasta were arguing, Boromir advised everyone to take a look at possible connections with Nerwen, the only known wolf. A flood of members proceeded to do so, coming to their own conclusions. And as the day drew on, the suspicions and votes once again became more and more spread out.

Finally, it came between Eomer and Nilpaurion who had the most votes.
“Okay, so who does everyone want to vote for? Nilp or Eomer?” asked Shasta. “Of course, I say we should kill Eomer.”
“Hey, you don’t want to lynch me!” spoke up Eomer. “I’m your hunter.”
“No, don’t say that now…” groaned Formendacil.
“Well then, I guess it’ll be Nilp we lynch,” said Eönwë.
“But I don’t want to vote Nilpaurion,” complained Boromir. “Can we please PLEASE kill Mithalwen?”
“But does anyone else want her dead?” asked Kitanna.
“I do,” said Durelin.
“Me too,” Nogrod agreed.
“Wait! Wait!” Sally came running into the camp suddenly. “This last minute Mithalwen bandwagon is bad news. Let’s just get it done with and kill Nilpaurion already.”
“Yeah,” agreed Eomer. “I mean, he didn’t even vote. What kind of person does that?”
“Alright, but how should we kill him?” Aganzir asked.
“I have an idea…”

Eomer ran to his tent and returned only moments later carrying something in his hands.
“Look what I brought with me!” he held up the round objects.
“What are you doing with dynamite?” asked Kitanna.
“Haven’t you heard? Blowing stuff up is the cool new thing! Back at home I blow up mailboxes all the time.”
“But isn’t that rather dangerous to be keeping in your tent?” stated Mithalwen.
Eomer shrugged. “I wonder how many sticks we could fit in Nilp’s mouth?”
“Probably a lot ,” said Rikae. “He has a big mouth.”

So Eomer began to shove dynamite into Nilpaurion’s mouth as Eönwë helped out. They managed to barely squeeze a fourth stick in before Nilpaurion’s mouth was completely full.
“Hey Nogrod, can we borrow your cigarette?” asked Aganzir.
Nogrod handed over his lit cigarette to Sally who stuck it into the dynamite.
“Everybody better stand back,” Durelin warned.

Several seconds later, a loud KABOOM echoed throughout the forest. Where Nilpaurion had once stood was now only smoke.
“You’re right, Eomer,” said Eönwë. “Blowing things up is pretty awesome.”
“Though rather messy,” Formendacil added, wiping bits of Nilpaurion from his glasses.
“It’s just too bad Nilp wasn’t a werewolf after all,” commented Kitanna.
“Oh well,” sighed Nogrod. “Hopefully we’ll get it right one of these days..”

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The Living:

Kitanna~the self-righteous know-it-all
Aganzir~non-anonymous neg-repper
Shastanis Althreduin~chatspeak translator
Boromir88~the one upper
Kath~artiste
Rikae~the person who tries to fake knowledge of the books and fails miserably
Durelin~Unreliable RPG Addict
Eomer of the Rohirrim~easily-offended trendy
Nogrod~the wanna-be moderator
satansaloser2005~a fan of everything but Tolkien
THE Ka~Artful Dodger
Eönwë~conspiracy theorist
Formendacil~Tolkien Canonist
Mithalwen~therapist

The Dead:

The Barrow-Wight~took up permanent residence in a barrow (mod)
The Sixth Wizard~ grammar Nazi~strung up in a tree (ordo)
McCaber~ does it 4 teh lulz~made the narration much more amusing than it originally was (ordo)
The Elf-Warrior~nitpicker~didn’t know how to float (ordo)
Nerwen~ rabid fangirl~willingly traded her life for an autographed Legolas poster (hacker/werewolf)
Kath~artiste~wrote her last poem (ordo)
Nilpaurion Felagund~ Ainulindalë Addict~had a mouthful of dynamite (ordo)

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Night 4 has begun.

Wolves start PMing. Gifteds send me your choices. Everyone else should be quiet.

[Brinniel]

The next night’s kill was done quickly. The wolves crept into their victim’s tent and snapped her neck before she could even shout out.
“Well that was easy,” said one wolf.
“Hey look what I found!” The second wolf held up a small book.
The third wolf’s eyes opened wide in shock. “It can’t be!”
“I say this calls for a celebration,” said the first wolf. “Perhaps a special meal…how should we serve her?”
“How about a shepherd’s pie?” the second wolf suggested.
“We’re in the middle of a forest, silly. How could we possibly bake a pie?” the third wolf replied.
“Ooh! Ooh! I know! Why don’t we make s’mores out of her?” the second wolf thought up.
“Mmm…that does sound quite tasty,” said the first wolf.

So the werewolves divided their victim into smaller parts and stuck her on sticks to roast over the campfire. When she was nice and gooey, the wolves removed their sticks from the fire and pressed her in between squares of graham crackers and chocolate. They all took a bite from their s’mores, savouring the sweet taste that melted on their tongues.
“Yum, this is much better than melted marshmallows,” said one wolf.
“Agreed,” replied the other two, their mouths full.

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The next day, the BDers woke to discover another present sitting in the middle of the camp. They were all slightly hesitant to pick it up, fearful of what they might find.
Finally, it was Aganzir who read the tag: “Hahahahahaha! We ate your seer! Now you’ll never catch us! Lots of love, Your not-so-friendly neighbourhood wolves.”

The BDers opened the box to find a book….or rather a journal entitled Durelin’s Dream Diary. Sally tore open the journal only to find that all the pages had been ripped out.
“#$@#&!!!!!” cursed Nogrod.
“Now we really better lynch the right person today,” said Kitanna.

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The Living:

Kitanna~the self-righteous know-it-all
Aganzir~non-anonymous neg-repper
Shastanis Althreduin~chatspeak translator
Boromir88~the one upper
Rikae~the person who tries to fake knowledge of the books and fails miserably
Eomer of the Rohirrim~easily-offended trendy
Nogrod~the wanna-be moderator
satansaloser2005~a fan of everything but Tolkien
THE Ka~Artful Dodger
Eönwë~conspiracy theorist
Formendacil~Tolkien Canonist
Mithalwen~therapist

The Dead:

The Barrow-Wight~took up permanent residence in a barrow (mod)
The Sixth Wizard~ grammar Nazi~strung up in a tree (ordo)
McCaber~ does it 4 teh lulz~made the narration much more amusing than it originally was (ordo)
The Elf-Warrior~nitpicker~didn’t know how to float (ordo)
Nerwen~ rabid fangirl~willingly traded her life for an autographed Legolas poster (hacker/werewolf)
Kath~artiste~wrote her last poem (ordo)
Nilpaurion Felagund~ Ainulindalë Addict~had a mouthful of dynamite (ordo)
Durelin~ Unreliable RPG Addict~made a delicious s’more (moderator seer)

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Day 4 has begun.

Wolves stop PMing. Everyone now may post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

....Lovely.

[satansaloser2005]

You would think so, wouldn't you wolf boy? ;)


Well isn't that just wizard. We lost our seer. I'll go through her posts and stuff later, but for now I need a nap. Be back later. (Oh, and I'll put up a vote tally then for anyone who's interested.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Cute, Sally dear. :p

I just ran back and looked through all twelve of Durelin's posts...

#25 - Purely IC first post.

#60 - Amused by Eomer. Amused by Boro. Likes Form. Thinks Kitanna is boring. Amused by Sixth. "Nogrod's role is just too Nogrod." Wants to see how long Nilp keeps his role up. Amused by EW. Laughs at Eonwe's first post.

#106 - Loves how people create conspiracy theories through the banter. Mentions that Nerwen coined the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl. Thinks Nerwen to be an easy lynch. Bothered by Kitanna. Votes Kitanna.

#114 - Adds Nerwen to the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl.

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#252 - Apologizes for missing a day. Wonders how EW was lynched. Wants to look at Kitanna, Eonwe, Mith, and Ka with regards to Nerwen. Thinks Nogrod and Boro haven't been paid enough attention. Likes Nogrod's vote, and likes Boro's day 1 attitude. Thinks Eonwe is a possible spammer.

#290 - Save.

#295 - Professes to be clueless. Thinks that Rikae, Kitanna, Aganzir, and Boro are innocent, (bit of a turnaround on Kitanna here) because they were consistently against Nerwen. Thinks Rikae is the most innocent and Boro the least out of this group. However, thinks Boro and Agan seemed a bit "neat", and remarks that both their three top suspects were the same (EW, Sixth, Nerwen) and that two were lynched and the third a wolf, and that neither Boro nor Agan ever voted for Nerwen. Mentions Boro's remark, "Nerwen, I'll be gunning for you tomorrow." as conveniently placed.

Thoughts on others:

Eonwe probably innocent because of his interaction with Nerwen.

Nogrod and Eomer "sorta defended Nerwen but not really". Thinks Nogrod the more obvious of the two.

Nilp was pretty neutral about Nerwen.

Sally also held a middle ground policy regarding Nerwen.

Shasta (hey, that's me!) kept what he said about Nerwen as neutral observation and put Nerwen on an innocent list with Mith.

Mith, Kat, and Form all avoided talking about Nerwen for the most part.

Thinks that based on the wolf kills, we probably have a Nogwolf.

#298 - Puts up a suspicious list.

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Likes Shasta with his arguments of principles; thinks he might be a wolf.

Says Mith and Sally feel slippery.

Is bothered by Eomer.

"It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now."

Still thinks Eonwe is cheesy.

#309 - Replies to Mith, correcting an impression about which post she paraphrased. Wishes Shasta and Eomer would just duel already.

#316 - Keeps thinking of McCaber as a wolf kill. Thinks Nogrod would be the one to take down the quiet ones.

#337 - Waiting to vote Shasta or Mith, never says why.

#342 - Thinks Eomer was probably important from the way he was acting. Votes Mith.

Thoughts -

With the number of times Durelin was suspicious of Nogrod "just because", I have to wonder if she didn't dream him and find that he was a wolf. And the turnaround on Kitanna (suspicion Day 1, followed by nothing, then thinks her innocent Day 3), makes her seem another likely Seer dream.

Edit: Removed an open bold tag.

[Nogrod]

I do agree with your interpretation of the turn-around with Kitanna, Shasta. And I might be dropping my case against her at the moment as Dury voted for Kit on Day 1 and then on Day3 thought her innocent because she voted for Nerwen on Day1. That could be enough and we might think she probably dreamt of Kitanna on her first Night of dreaming. But why did she say then in the beginning of Day3 that she wished to look more closely at Kitanna, Eönwë, Mith & The Ka? And why was her only defence of her innocence the fact she voted for Nerwen on Day1?

I'm not too sure we can wash Kitanna free with this evidence... but why does Shasta wish to make us think like that, overdoing Dury's "release" of Kitanna which is doubtful in the first place when one watches the evidence. She thought her innocent along with Rikae, Aganzir and Boro because of their votes. She didn't say she was especially innocent - on the contrary she said Rikae looked the most innocent of the four...

The next thing I'd like to bring forwards is this (nothing to do with Dury's status as the seer I guess but we might think this a good advice as we now know she was innocent and thence wasn't pulling our legs) Mith, Ka, and Formendacil all seemed to have avoided talking about Nerwen at all, really.Exactly. I'm still thinking Mith is a wolf and The Ka might be one as well - or then Form but somehow I'm feeling he's not a wolf.

Dury's post #298 is really a baffling experience. Here it is in it's entirety: Alright, some conclusions from my ramblings:

Vaguely in order of suspicion (vaguely because I am incredibly indecisive):

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Aganzir makes good points about Nilp I guess, but I'm just not feeling it.

I really like Shasta right now, with his arguing of principles and such, which is why I think he might well be a wolf.

Mith and Sally feel slippery. It seems like they're trying to be...nice.

Eomer bothers me. He's channeling phantom-ness.

It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now.

Sally - Eonwe seems cheesy...he seems to me like he's trying too hard to be surprised at things, to be interested in things, to look like he's doing something...you know, bad acting.Now Shasta is her top suspect but still she thinks she likes him "right now" and thence he must be a wolf! Is this the seer notice? Making a kind of contradictory statement to make us realise she points to him? Anyway there seems to be no easy hints in her posting... So maybe this is a more cryptic way of doing it?

In the end she was ready to vote for either Shasta or Mith. Now that paraphrasing leads one to wonder whether she had dreamt of neither even if she voted for Mith (whom I believe is a wolf) in the end.

It is just too cryptic as adding my latest deductions she should have voted for Shasta.... (so there goeas my theory)

Or then she was more careful we think she was but got bad luck being killed even if there was no point in her suspicions... Somehow I just can't believe it fully...

Edit: Corrected a host of typos & added the last sentence

[Kitanna]

With the number of times Durelin was suspicious of Nogrod "just because", I have to wonder if she didn't dream him and find that he was a wolf.

I'd like to look at Durelin's posts myself to see what I can draw from this theory. Durelin was never out right with her suspicions. Probably to avoid detection from the hackers and to avoid suspicion from the village. If she did dream of Nogrod as a hacker it would make sense why she never voted or cast "damning" evidence onto him. That would have ended her life sooner or drawn her out so she had to reveal her role before she was ready.

But Durelin may have had bigger suspicions she didn't vocalize, but did dream of and Nogrod was nothing more than a suspicion and she didn't dream of him. Since Durelin is now dead it's all guess work as to who she dreamed of and when.

But what about Shasta and Mith as her voting candidates for yesterday's vote? Could she have voted for one of them and found one of them a wolf? If that's the case she might have dreamt of Mith. Or those were two she wanted to dream of and never got the chance. If that's the case maybe it put the hackers on edge that someone was on to them.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm not too sure we can wash Kitanna free with this evidence... but why does Shasta wish to make us think like that, overdoing Dury's "release" of Kitanna which is doubtful in the first place when one watches the evidence.

"Overdoing"? I simply stated a thought.

[Nogrod]

"Overdoing"? I simply stated a thought.


(Dury) Thinks that Rikae, Kitanna, Aganzir, and Boro are innocent, (bit of a turnaround on Kitanna here) because they were consistently against Nerwen
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the turnaround on Kitanna (suspicion Day 1, followed by nothing, then thinks her innocent Day 3), makes her seem another likely Seer dream.Now you were clearly implying she was her dream but from what I saw that is not such an easy thing (refer to my earlier post)... But anyways I'm not wishing to follow this Kit -path toDay so much as there is the chance you're right (or more potently - Dury was right) as I'm wishing to see Mith lynched toDay. I'll bet a nice sum for her being a wolf.

[Formendacil]

Durelin's death does not make things any easier, that's for sure, though presumably her suspicions give us more to go on than most dead people's, as she had some actual knowledge and wasn't out to mislead the village--though if she attempted to mislead the wolves, we'll have to be careful with our weeding.

I'm inclined to agree with the theory that Kitanna is most likely innocent. Durelin suspected her on Day 1, and she would thus have been the most obvious candidate for a dream that night. Though not conclusive on that evidence, the ensuing turn-around strengthens considerably the probability that Durelin found her innocent.

Together with our self-declared ranger, who although definitely not conclusively innocent has a case that is close enough to certain that I'm willing to take the leap on it. If Eomer is not the real hunter, then we either have a very quiet and cunning who bides his/her time, or else we have a hunter who posts only near the middle of the day. Either/both are possible, but I'm inclined not to think such about either.

As another random thought... Mith's near brush with death yesterday should not absolve her of lupinity. All too often, I think in these games, the runner-up in a voting race can slip back under the radar the next day, completely ignored.

I'm also still suspicious of Nogrod, and the more so as we keep cutting down innocents, but I have nothing to back this up, except Durelin's inclusion of him on her suspicion list--albeit at the very end, which suggests she did not dream about him at all, although I suppose there's the faint chance than when she listed them "in order of suspicion" that she put the most suspicious last... but I'm really not confident in that possibility.

[Kitanna]

So, I have to return to work tomorrow and may make it home before deadline, but that would leave me no time to read the posts I had missed, so once again I'll be voting early.

Durelins' first post yesterday included this list:
I want to look at:
Kitanna
Eonwe
Mith
Ka
Later she added more names:
Anyway, my new handy-dandy list of the others (I hope all), in no particular order:
Eomer
Nilp
Shasta
Mith
Sally
Nogrod
Eonwe
Ka
Formendacil
This next list covers a much greater range (obviously).

She's seem skeptical of Mith and her involvement with Nerwen, saying Mith had picked up on one of Nogrod's theories. But she ends the post with Speaking of which...based on the wolf kills, I'd say we must have a Nogwolf...
Of course this could have been speculation on Durelin's part based on past experiences.
Her next post shortens the list:
Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod
In all three of Durelin's lists Mith is the only constant.

But I have some theories I have been milling over in regards to Durelin's death and her activities chiefly yesterday.

1) She dreamt of Mith, confirmed her hacker behavior and voted for her.
2) She dreamt of Shasta, confirmed hacker behavior, but like my Nogrod theory (see below) didn't want to draw attention. But this doesn't make any sense with her vote for Mith.
3) She had plans to dream of Mith or Shasta and voted for the one she was planning to dream of, thus making a Mithwolf (Shastawolf) and partners semi-nervous.
4) She dreamt of Nogrod and found him guilty of hackery, but didn't want to throw a lot of suspicion his way in fear of drawing hacker attention. This again does not account for her Mith vote except that, again, she didn't want to draw attention to herself.
5) Aside from one Nogwolf comment which may well have been in jest, perhaps Durelin didn't dream of a wolf and this was just what she put together.

Theories 2 and 5 (and to a degree 4) are the most unlikely, but given the fact we don't have anything definite in regards to the dreams I suppose anything is possible. It's likely that 1 may be correct or even 3. Durelin either dreamt or wanted to dream about Mith and this made a Mithwolf and partners worried, thus causing the death of Durelin. Since Mith was a constant in Durelin's list yesterday I am inclined to believe theory 1 is correct.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

A thousand apologies cousin Nilp. Rest assured I punished myself by climbing to the top of the highest tree in the land, sitting there for two nights in the driving wind and rain, haunted by the memory of your innocent voice.

Well, it's true I probably didn't have to reveal, but let me make it more clear. Three people at the end of the day were all voicing some suspicion of me (Nogord, Form and Boro). I really didn't want to be lynched because (and the Nilp vote proves it) my intuitions have not yet proved to be competent. :rolleyes: I'd feel horrid if I took an innocent down with me (in this game, where the rules are so kind to the Hunter) so that's why I just made sure.

If Shasta is not a wolf then surely the wolves would have wanted to kill me while I so strongly suspected Shasta. The only reason they would have not to kill me then would have been if Durelin was obviously the Seer. Take Durelin's suspicions at face-value, and if they don't get us anywhere Shasta is definitely a wolf. Of course, being that Durelin had Shasta as a top suspect, we probably have very strong leads either way.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

A thousand apologies cousin Nilp. Rest assured I punished myself by climbing to the top of the highest tree in the land, sitting there for two nights in the driving wind and rain, haunted by the memory of your innocent voice.

Well, it's true I probably didn't have to reveal, but let me make it more clear. Three people at the end of the day were all voicing some suspicion of me (Nogord, Form and Boro). I really didn't want to be lynched because (and the Nilp vote proves it) my intuitions have not yet proved to be competent. :rolleyes: I'd feel horrid if I took an innocent down with me (in this game, where the rules are so kind to the Hunter) so that's why I just made sure.

If Shasta is not a wolf then surely the wolves would have wanted to kill me while I so strongly suspected Shasta. The only reason they would have not to kill me then would have been if Durelin was obviously the Seer. Take Durelin's suspicions at face-value, and if they don't get us anywhere Shasta is definitely a wolf. Of course, being that Durelin had Shasta as a top suspect, we probably have very strong leads either way.

Prepare to spend two more nights up in a very tall tree, then, Eomer my friend. :p

I do wonder, however. Given that you are the Hunter, and given that you did very strongly suspect me near the end of yesterday (a valid assumption would be that you were hunting me that night), why did the wolves not attack you while you were focused on someone who was not a wolf? It seems to me it would have been the perfect time to get rid of you.

Of course I realize that the above takes into account that I am innocent. Well, of course it does, I'm the only person I'm sure is innocent. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

why did the wolves not attack you while you were focused on someone who was not a wolf? It seems to me it would have been the perfect time to get rid of you.

Why indeed? :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Why indeed? :p

....:confused:

I'm afraid I still don't understand you.

[Kitanna]

It's time for me to vote. Given what we can gather from Durelin and her death over Eomer's last night I think the hackers guessed she may she the seer. She never came outright with her suspicions, but she hinted in certain directions. Given her suspicions and her voting I'd say she either dreamt of Mith or Nogrod (possibly both) as a hacker. That would give them cause to kill her.
If Shasta is not a wolf then surely the wolves would have wanted to kill me while I so strongly suspected Shasta. The only reason they would have not to kill me then would have been if Durelin was obviously the Seer. Take Durelin's suspicions at face-value, and if they don't get us anywhere Shasta is definitely a wolf. Of course, being that Durelin had Shasta as a top suspect, we probably have very strong leads either way.
This points toward Shasta as a wolf as well. Since why would the hackers want to attack a hunter who will drag down one of their own? But I will save this for another day.

++ Mith

Based on Durelin's lists and vote from yesterday chances look good she had a dream involving an evil Mith.

[Aganzir]

or then Form but somehow I'm feeling he's not a wolf.
That's funny because I, on the other hand, have an inexplicable feeling that he is a wolf.

Kitanna kept screaming wolf to me on day 1, and pretty much also later. However, the way she behaved made me think she might be the seer who hadn't dreamed of a wolf yet and tried to make it clear. Her vote post was forced, on day 2 she said she was even more confident about Nerwen, she keeps phrasing her posts in a seerish way &c &c.
Therefore I tried not to really suspect nor defend her - rather observe a wolf without accusing for a while than cause a gifted to have to reveal or be killed - but now with Dury dead she cannot be the seer.
She looks like she has something to hide, and she also looks like she was deliberately trying to appear as the seer.
Durelin might have dreamed of her and found her innocent, but I wanted to bring this up anyway.

Later she added more names:
QUOTE]Anyway, my new handy-dandy list of the others (I hope all), in no particular order:
Eomer
Nilp
Shasta
Mith
Sally
Nogrod
Eonwe
Ka
Formendacil[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly, this was just a list of people with no certain kind of interaction with Nerwen?

I do wonder, however. Given that you are the Hunter, and given that you did very strongly suspect me near the end of yesterday (a valid assumption would be that you were hunting me that night), why did the wolves not attack you while you were focused on someone who was not a wolf? It seems to me it would have been the perfect time to get rid of you.
This post makes me a bit uncomfortable. As if Shasta was pretending to be very innocent by bringing this up himself before anyone else does it.
Though the hunter isn't always perfectly honest about his (top) suspects, so the wolves might have avoided attacking Eomer also if Shasta is innocent, for they couldn't have known if he was hunting a wolf he was suspecting "just a little".

Some thoughts about day 3.

I trust Eomer's claim. He and Shasta's little quarrel doesn't look staged, and I find also Shasta probably innocent.

Mith is more likely a wolf than Nogrod.

I don't know what to think of Nerwen's Agan/Nilp/Form brawl now. Nilp and I are innocent, so does it make Form innocent as well? Did Nerwen throw in some names randomly or would she name one of her fellow wolves there? Nerwen is surely bold enough to do it, but that doesn't mean she did it. Then again Form might have been the one turned on night 3. I have no idea.

I wonder if Durelin could have dreamed of Nilp and found him innocent?
Aganzir makes good points about Nilp I guess, but I'm just not feeling it.
Self-admitted incredible idecisiveness in the same post might also indicate that she hadn't dreamed of wolves at all.

Mith, cyber sheep dog is a lovely term. :D

I haven't completely dropped my suspicions of Agan, but I'm leaning more on cobbler rather than hacker due to what we've learned about Nerwen.
Actually, I was once a cobbler and Nerwen a wolf. She was the only one out of the four that I defended. :p

Somehow she manages to look quite innocent post by post but still I just can't rid myself from the idea she's a wolf.
Exactly my thoughts when I first read this last night.

edit: xed with Kit

[Boromir88]

Shasta is reminding me of when I was the seer, wolf-Nogrod kills me and then steps in and twists what I said to convince everyone I dreamed he was innocent. Only, in this case Shasta is pushing for Kitanna's innocent. I've felt Kit has looked pretty innocent, but it always raises my brow when someone steps in to assure us who the seer dreams of, once the seer has been killed. (You can thank Nogrod for that).

Here are some things I do know. Durelin's been the seer before, and from past experience she likes to spend her Night 1 dream on a high-profile player. Someone who will probably be around for a while, talk a lot, and influence the village....someone like moi (and before that gets twisted - No, I'm not saying I'm innocent and Durelin dreamed of me).

Also, Durelin will leave clues for us to follow, knowing that any day she could be found by the wolves. So, I would guess she mentioned the person she dreamed of on Night 1 during the Day. The tricky part is finding the real clues, and whose identity she is revealing.

Eomer amuses me. He feels frighteningly familiar... Boro amuses me. A lot. There's something about Formendacil's attitude I like. Kitanna is boring, and her vote is even more boring. The Sixth Wizard amuses me. Nogrod's role is just too Nogrod. I want to see how long Nilp keeps his role up. Elf-warrior's first post amuses me.~Durelin, Day 1, post 60
Traditionally Durelin spends her first dream on a high-profile player and several of those players are named here. Eomer, The Sixth, EW, and myself all amuse her. We're all lumped together under "amusing her," so I doubt she dreamed (On Night 1) of any of us.

Now she says different things about Form, Nogrod, and Kitanna. She ends up voting for Kitanna, so I think that eliminates Kit. She mentions Nogrod's role (wannabe moderator) just fits Nogrod too perfectly, there's no feeling or statement of innocence/guilt, it's just a neutral statement. But, with Form she says there's just something about his attitude she likes. Is that our clue to her Night 1 dream?

I would say Form fits the type of player Durelin would dream about early on. Also, I would imagine each day she would leave us some hint as to who she voted for. She only had 3 posts on Day 1...her first post was completely RPG IC, there are no people mentioned, and so if there is a clue it's a cryptic one. That is something I will not be able to uncover. Her last post she votes for Kit on the grounds of stirring up trouble against Nerwen, and Durelin felt Nerwen was an easy Day 1 wolf lynch. On Night 1 at least she didn't dream of Kit or Nerwen.

Thus is it her 2nd post on the Day where she gives us the hint? She lumps several people together, makes a neutral statement about Nogrod, but with Form there's just something about him she likes.

As for her other dreams, Durelin (like any seer) would follow her suspicions, or dream of someone she doesn't know about. She missed Day 2 entirely, so on Day 3, there could be several clues to her dreams. Based on what she said, I have a feeling she had not dreamed of a wolf yet:

I want to look at:
Kitanna
Eonwe
Mith
Ka~Durelin, Day 3, post 252
I agree with Nogrod (and why I'm wary about Shasta's analysis), is why would Durelin say she wants to look at Kitanna if she dreamed of Kitanna and found her innocent?

Also, Nogrod and Boro haven't been getting nearly enough attention. But really, I feel good about Nogrod's vote, because I like sticking to principles. And I liked Boro's attitude on Day 1 anyway. Day 2 I need to look at...obviously.
Here she mentions the two loud-mouths, but I doubt she's dreamed of either of us. First off she says we have not been getting enough attention. Secondly her reason for liking Nogrod is very concrete (his vote), and for me, she is unsure. Also later on she would go on to say about Nogrod:
It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now.~Day 3, post 298
I am going to assume for now that Rikae, Kitanna, Aganzir, and Boro are innocent, because they were at least sorta fairly consistently after Nerwen~Durelin, Day 3, post 295
Here are four people she's assuming are innocent. And she is assuming for now, another reason I don't buy the supposed fact that Durelin dreamed of Kitanna.

Now this is interesting:
Too bad Shasta and Eomer can't just duel and get a few things out of the way.~Durelin, Day 3, post 309 (bold - my emphasis)
When the seer dreams of another gifted, does the seer find out or is it just " ____ is innocent." I feel pretty embarassed because I've been the seer a few times and right now am having a total mind blank to whether the seer finds out the role, or just guilt/innocence.

Because then there is this from Durelin after Eomer reveals:
*sigh* Yes, yes, we figured by now you were someone important, the way you were acting...
Does Durelin sigh because one of our gifted had to reveal? The hunter is often times more dangerous when known then when unknown. Or does Durelin also sigh because she dreamed of Eomer, and thus found out he was the hunter...Hence why she leaves the "dueling" clue in post 309.

This doesn't look good for Shasta, but something I'm unsure about is whether Durelin dreamed of a wolf, because:
Well it took me absolutely forever to go back and read through things. And I am extremely clueless.~Day 3, post 295
Kitanna's analysis could be correct though, that she was onto at least one wolf, and the wolves wanted to silence her. This doesn't make Shasta or Mith look good.

I've probably cross posted with several of people, because this took a lot of time, so I'll just say it now.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

....:confused:

I'm afraid I still don't understand you.

It wasn't the perfect time; in fact, it was a very bad time for you to attack me last night Shasta. And you knew it, you... diabolical wolf you!!! String him up!

[Mithalwen]

Mith, cyber sheep dog is a lovely term. :D


Thank you. I don't know why someone said my vote came out of the blue, I moaned about it the day before - and have always found it annoying in previous games - if finding Nogrod's playing style annoying were the only qualification, I would have been a wolf in every last game we have played. I don't quite know what he means by being considerate but if he thinks the feelings I expressed were insincere, he is sadly deluded.

Eomer, why do you never factor in the Ranger when you consider the wolves choice of kill? Admittedly there isn't a lot of sense in guarding a Hunter who are only useful (as gifted) when they get killed but I can't see why they would make a known Hunter a priority.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Boro, you shame us all with that wonderful post. Excellent stuff.

Edit: Mith. Fair point, and I had spent too much time going over the various possibilities of last night in my head, but I'm not sure I, or the wolves, would want to complicate things. Thinking about the Ranger protection, we enter the horrific realm of bluffs. The Ranger could easily assume that the wolves would avoid me last night and protect someone else (just a pity it wasn't Durelin). Who knows what to think when there are 3 sides to the story? But I notice you are trying to buy Shasta another day.

[Mithalwen]

Usually the Seer finds out the exact role, some mods just say innocent/ guilty but that is usually stated in the rules.

Anyway back to work ...

[Mithalwen]

Oh I don't know sometimes warwar is more fun than jawjaw ... "String him up" is nice and succinct!

[Boromir88]

Boro, you shame us all with that wonderful post. Excellent stuff.~Eomer
Ya well now I might just scrap everything I've concluded about Durelin's dreams and start over. I kind of looked over Durelin's post 298:
Eomer bothers me. He's channeling phantom-ness.
I don't know why if she dreamed you were the hunter she would say that. Unless she was trying to remain hidden, and didn't want to make it appear like she knew your role? Or she wanted to keep suspicion on you because she knew you were the hunter?

Shasta and Mith are my two top suspects. I don't think both of them are hackers. I agree with Eomer that Mith seems like she's trying to give Shasta another day. I don't see why a wolf would be doing that for another wolf. I think one is the spammer trying to sacrifice herself today to keep the hacker alive one day longer.

Finding out Mith's identity would reveal a lot about sally (who made the deciding vote into Nilp's death) and Nogrod. I say Nogrod because he's been a crafty wolf before who has sacrficed his partners to make himself look innocent. I think I'm getting too far ahead of myself, as I'm basing all this off the two people who I think are guilty.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I edited my post above, and I realised that maybe Mith missed it. Just to let you know. :)

Shasta and Mith both seem like excellent lynching targets today. I must depart now, though, and possibly won't be back, so I'm voting for Shasta.

++SHASTA

[Mithalwen]

Edit: Mith. But I notice you are trying to buy Shasta another day.

Am I? Other than being a thorn in your side (which considering you have been a thorn in mine all game, I slightly enjoyed) I haven't paid much attention to him. I will remedy that now and study him earnestly .... :Merisu:

Edit- oh yes I did miss it - you see I did actually have to go to work... so bless you for pointing it out.

[Boromir88]

I bet you all are going to love me today. Boro's got lots of time on his off day and would like to keep this an active day, and not resign ourselves to "Well Shasta or Mith will get it today, here's my vote, bye."

Eomer is the hunter. I see no reason to doubt it, so I won't be talking about him. So here comes everyone else not named Eomer, Mith, or Shasta)

Kitanna:

Votes:
Day 1- Nerwen
Day 2- Agan
Day 3- Eonwe
Day 4- Mithalwen

Her voting doesn't ring any alarms. I did say on Day 2 vote for Agan (after she said Nerwen grew in suspicions from the previous day) was odd. Now that Nerwen is a known wolf, why didn't you proceed to go after Nerwen? Most of the time she's voted early and it looks like a well-concluded decision.

Right now, I trust Kitanna and that is mostly due to her posting. Her analysis/theories of Nerwen's death and Durelin's dream are thorough, and make sense to me because they don't look misleading. I willalso say if we find out she is correct about Mith, I would trust her for probably the rest of the game.

Aganzir:

Votes:
Day 1- The Sixth
Day 2- The Elf-Warrior
Day 3- Nilp

Her three votes have lynched three innocents, that's not a very good track record, but so far in this game who has a good track record? Also, Agan's been very consistant, we know her biggest suspects and usually she follows up on them with a vote. Except on Day 2, but I think that was a realization there wasn't enough support to get Nerwen lynched. Where it feels like Kitanna is voting a little cautiously, Agan is not, and that speaks towards Agan's innocence.

I've felt good about Aganzir on Day 1 and Day 2, but these last two I've become less sure. Particularly what she said about Shasta today in 367:
This post makes me a bit uncomfortable. As if Shasta was pretending to be very innocent by bringing this up himself before anyone else does it.
[...]
Some thoughts about day 3.

I trust Eomer's claim. He and Shasta's little quarrel doesn't look staged, and I find also Shasta probably innocent.
Shasta makes you a bit uncomfortable with a post, but then a few sentences later Shasta's probably innocent? I wonder Agan, if you changed sides over night (whatever night it was)?

Rikae:

Votes:
Day 1- Nerwen
Day 2- Elf-warrior
Day 3- Formendacil

It worries me that Rikae has slipped into the background, but her voting doesn't look all that suspicious. Her reason for voting for EW looked innocent. Her vote for Formendacil was on a "hunch," but that doesn't make it suspicious, as she RL has been taking up her time. That won't give her a free pass for the rest of the game, but for today I think there are far more wolvish looking people than Rikae.

And more will come later...

[Nogrod]

So why are Shasta and Eomer still alive?

I must say the wolves are real clearvoyants if they noticed Dury being the seer as it seems to be hard enough to find even one piece of hint from her posts even afterwards with the knowledge that she was the seer.

Neither do I believe the explanation that the wolves feared the ranger. Basically if the ranger protects the hunter s/he meddles with the hunter's work itself. From respect to other's duties the ranger should not do it.

So either of them is a wolf himself? That would explain them being alive toDay.

Okay. If Eomer isn't the hunter he's a spammer or hacker as at the first look at least I can't come up with a reason why an innocent would pose as the hunter. But in that case our hunter knows it and probably should come forwards with the issue. Killing the hunter is always risky for the wolves and getting the werewolves one down would be a good thing. But surely that is then something the hunter should decide.

But just because there would be a real hunter among us who could always disprove Eomer's claim the idea of posing as a hunter would sound a pretty stupid act to pull in not so dangerouis situation after all. I mean as a last effort in a really tight spot why not try, but it wasn't that bad. And it would be a win-win choice for the village as the real hunter could always say: "I'm the hunter, lynch me and I'll take that liar to death with me". And s/he would then be our hero.

So I must say it looks more likely then that Shasta is the wolf and Eomer speaks truthfully. That would mean the wolves were afraid to kill Eomer just because of the danger it presented to Shasta.

Or then it just never occured to the wolves they might catch two innocents with one kill in the first place.

It's sad but true that we oftentimes come up with great, wild and complicated plans during the Days to explain the actions or the lack of them while most of the wolves just play much more down to earth game not always coming up with those absolutely great masterplans... or noticing the real advantages.

But yes alongside Mith I'd be ready to vote Shasta as well toDay.

EDIT: X'd with Boro - and agree, let's not only say let's lynch either Mith or Shasta. We can do other thingsa as well and we should.

[Mithalwen]

I bet you all are going to love me today. Boro's got lots of time on his off day and would like to keep this an active day, and not resign ourselves to "Well Shasta or Mith will get it today, here's my vote, bye."



Oh well that is very gracious of you Mr 88 since you were so keen to see me dead yesterday:rolleyes:

[Nogrod]

I don't know why someone said my vote came out of the blue, I moaned about it the day before - and have always found it annoying in previous games - if finding Nogrod's playing style annoying were the only qualification, I would have been a wolf in every last game we have played.Now that you're around Mith please tell me what have I done to deserve this? :(

[Mithalwen]

Oh don't fret Nogrod it is only during the games that I could cheerfully murder you ....

[Nogrod]

Oh don't fret Nogrod it is only during the games that I could cheerfully murder you ....Thanks... I mean, as you said, this wasn't actually the first time. :)

[Mithalwen]

all those times watching the minutes ticking away into seconds and wondering what in Arda it will take for you to make a decision..... and then you claim dithering is a matter of principle rather than a lifestyle choice.... :p

[Rikae]

Well, all that comes to mind at the moment is the following:
I don't like the way Shasta tries to sum up Durelin's dreams for us, nor the way Formendacil basically repeats his words about Kitanna.

However, I also don't see why Aganzir says Shasta was trying to look innocent by being the first to say something that Eomer had already said.

Why did Boro forget THE Ka?

It seems quite possible the wolves didn't suspect Durelin was the seer at all, meaning she hadn't expressed suspicion toward any of them. I'm not saying that's definitely the case, but Durelin basically fit the profile which might have led the wolves to kill Kath - a strong player attracting little attention in this game and leaving little in the way of leads.

I'm going to go through the previous days' posts if I can possibly find the time. For now, though THE Ka finds it suspicious:

Kitanna~eh. I'm still uneasy about her, especially because of the way Shasta and Formendacil dismiss her.
Aganzir~Neg-repping and spamming do go well together...
Shastanis Althreduin~ I will have to look at him more closely. Really, he needs to be properly analysed, though I'm not sure I have time.
Boromir88~ToDay he seems quite sensible and sincere, at least.
Eomer of the Rohirrim~ He seems honest enough, although at this point I don't want to take anything for granted.
Nogrod~I was a little worried about his relative silence, but toDay he seems back to his old self, complicated conspiracy theories and all. I'm inclined to think he's innocent for now.
satansaloser2005~Not getting much of a read on her, as usual.
THE Ka ~ No idea. Flying under the radar a bit.
Eönwë ~ Another that has fallen off the radar. There is far too much of this going on...
Formendacil~I thought him likely to choose Kath as a kill yesterDay, and he seems to be taking a very controlled, rather ... hypnotic? ... tone. I just have a bad feeling about him.
Mithalwen~Not looking especially suspicious to me at the moment, and I find myself wondering where that bandwagon yesterday came from.

EDIT: X'd with the last Mith and Nog

[Mithalwen]

Ah Rikae - it is a bit of a tradition for both Boromir and Durelin to suspect me... but I think I hurt Nogrod's amour propre.... :o

[Nogrod]

all those times watching the minutes ticking away into seconds and wondering what in Arda it will take for you to make a decision..... :) It only takes others to say what they are going to do.

I could ramble on this a full essay but to cut it short I'd say that it's not always wise to vote for the one you suspect the most as that vote might A) turn out insignificant (not affect anything) or B) be downright disasterous leading to the lynching of someone you think innocent. So one needs to know the situation before one votes. That's why I also call for people to declare their intent at the last moments so that a reasonable discussion could be held at those final moments of decision. Sadly there are always people who just appear out from the blue and vote at those same last minutes. They are the ones that make the voting so hard.

Of course I'm not always able to be online at the deadline and I guess I have voted once or twice something like fifteen minutes before the DL as the situation has been clear... :rolleyes:

and then you claim dithering is a matter of principle rather than a lifestyle choice.... :D

[Nogrod]

but I think I hurt Nogrod's amour propre.... :oHah. And by the way Mith I actually know this literary allusion... everyone has "son propre"... ;)

[Mithalwen]

Formendacil~I thought him likely to choose Kath as a kill yesterDay, and he seems to be taking a very controlled, rather ... hypnotic? ... tone. I just have a bad feeling about him.


Kath was dead yesterday (though the intro had her in Glorfindel-mode dwelling on both sides at the same time and no doubt against the seen and the unseen she has great power!)? Oh you mean that yesterday you suspected that Formendacil would have chosen Kath the previous night?

Anyway he is certainly guarded and his original IC style hasn't totally worn off.

[Mithalwen]

Hah. And by the way Mith I actually know this literary allusion... everyone has "son propre"... ;)

errr you have lost me again .. me thinks you are over analysing ....
and while we are clearing the air, I don't see why people should justify themselves to you when as far as they know you could be a wolf. We aren't your class!!

I think sometimes you have to take a lead, if you suspect someone vote for them... all this I might vote for X if... seems manipulative and shady.

[Aganzir]

Shasta makes you a bit uncomfortable with a post, but then a few sentences later Shasta's probably innocent? I wonder Agan, if you changed sides over night (whatever night it was)?
I wrote my day 3 stuff before I commented on that point of Shasta's, which I hadn't noticed when I first read through day 4, and because I wanted to keep my post coherent I added it to where the rest of my day 4 related things were. Though it would have made more sense if I had written the day 3 things before the day 4 ones.
I think Shasta looked innocent yesterday, but today I found that post of his strange.

And no, I didn't change sides. :p

However, I also don't see why Aganzir says Shasta was trying to look innocent by being the first to say something that Eomer had already said.
Whoops, it was so obvious that Eomer had already said it that I forgot it.
Anyway, my main point was the following: Shasta doesn't try to downplay the fact that Eomer wasn't attacked, but brings it up himself, seemingly wondering about it. Would a wolf do it? It might be easier for him to try to hush it up, and therefore Shasta might be a wolf. Garr I cannot explain it better. It looks silly but I hope you understand.

I never bothered to take a proper look at Shasta, and although I'm feeling lazy right now, I think I could at least read through his posts. Though with Nerwen and Nilp dead I don't have any clear ideas anymore.

[Boromir88]

Why did Boro forget THE Ka?~Rikae
Not sure what you mean? I haven't gotten to Ka yet, nor Form, nor Eonwe, nor several others. I'm getting there.

Nogrod:

Votes:
Day 1- The Sixth
Day 2- Kitanna
Day 3- Mithalwen

Nogrod's votes worry me. On Day 1 he votes for The Sixth after saying in post 120:
I'm afraid that with The Sixth we get an easy wolf-victory - as well as with Nerwen.
He says he wants to avoid ties (or letting the wolves tie it), but that doesn't mean he isn't a clever wolf that didn't tie the vote so he could look innocent.

And Day 2 he casts a meaningless vote for Kitanna, on Day 2 there were a lot of tack on votes against EW, and Nogrod chose not to. Nogrod was in the position where his vote didn't matter. As an interesting note Nogrod suspects (and ends up voting for Kitanna) and today Kitanna theorizes Nogrod is a wolf, based on Durelin's posts. What to make of that?

Like Agan, I feel less sure about Nogrod, a lot will depend upon how this day, and possibly the next turn out (or well mostly when we find out about Mith's identity).

sally

Votes:
Day 1- The Sixth
Day 2- Elf-Warrior
Day 3- Nilp

And like Nogrod, I think Mith's identity would reveal a lot. On Day 1 she admits to joking about Nerwen being a hacker, and ends up voting for The Sixth. Mith votes for sally because of her vote for The Sixth. Then yesterday sally casts the last vote for Nilp and not Mithalwen.

Nerwen is a dead wolf, I'm highly suspicious of Mith, and sally is connected to both of them. sally, why Nilp and not Mith?

THE Ka:

Votes:
Day 1- Rikae
Day 2- Eonwe
Day 3- No vote?

In post 61 and 71 she stresses that her vote will be random. Overly defending yourself? Then her Day 1 vote is for Rikae, and she admits she could come up with better reasoning. Of course who ever has good reasoning, on Day 1, to vote for someone? I just don't like in her two previous posts she says her vote will be random.

And on Day 2 she defends Eonwe's vote (for Mith, after Eomer's on Day 1) but ends up voting for Eonwe in the very same post. I want to hear some more thoughts about Ka, because she sounds to just be talking herself into a circle and confusing herself (see post 190), but I don't like her two votes. Then she doesn't vote on Day 3. Ka's got me utterly confused. On one hand she is voting safe (she avoids the bandwagon on Day 1 and voted for Eonwe early), but would a wolf not vote? Now I'm talking myself into a circle when it comes to THE Ka.

to be continued...

[Nogrod]

We aren't your class!!I'm not sure which one of us should thank God the louder for that... :D

Gah, sorry. I just couldn't resist that one...

I think sometimes you have to take a lead, if you suspect someone vote for them... all this I might vote for X if... seems manipulative and shady.If it just was that simple... but it's a small consolation to have voted proud and right while losing the game. And sure I basically vote for those I suspect, it's only that sometimes one needs to be content with a second or third choice (or even with just "rather him than her" -choice).

But okay. I'll quit rambling and try to do something more productive.

[Eönwë]

I agree with Nogrod (and why I'm wary about Shasta's analysis), is why would Durelin say she wants to look at Kitanna if she dreamed of Kitanna and found her innocent?

Have you not thought thought that maybe she's just trying to hide her identity, and not saying the identity of the true wolves for fear of being killed in the night? It might have been a tactic to keep the wolves off her scent (what?!). Maybe she dreamed about her but just didn't want to make it look like she had a radical change of mind, which always looks suspicious, unless there is a good reason behind it.

[Aganzir]

Have you not thought thought that maybe she's just trying to hide her identity, and not saying the identity of the true wolves for fear of being killed in the night? It might have been a tactic to keep the wolves off her scent (what?!). Maybe she dreamed about her but just didn't want to make it look like she had a radical change of mind, which always looks suspicious, unless there is a good reason behind it.
It's possible, but the seer should remember that she can be killed also for other reasons than being suspected the seer, and therefore it should be more important that she left sufficient hints for the villagers to find after her passing.

Anyway, Eönwë, unless I'm completely mistaken this (edit: the previous, not the one I'm quoting next) was your first post today.

My internet is dying, so I had better vote quickly.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

I will explain when I can...
Can you now?

Not that I particularly suspect you, I just want to hear your reasoning since you promised to explain it.

[Mithalwen]

I'm not sure which one of us should thank God the louder for that... :D

Gah, sorry. I just couldn't resist that one...



That would be me..couldn't resist that either. Trying to teach me philosophy was like teaching a cow to sing (doesn't work and annoys the cow).

[Mithalwen]

... but the seer should remember that she can be killed also for other reasons than being suspected the seer, and therefore it should be more important that she left sufficient hints for the villagers to find after her passing.



That is true - after all the wolves may have picked her because she had been relatively quiet, hadn't drawn suspicion, and didn't incriminate them.... this theory works for me ... but then I would say that wouldn't I? ;) Want to go home soon, so to try and cheer Nogrod up after my cruelty (though why I should spare the feelings of my would be executioner I don't know), I will probably vote for Shasta for self preservation.

[Eönwë]

Not that I particularly suspect you, I just want to hear your reasoning since you promised to explain it.

You know what?
I really don't know why I voted Nilp. Come to think of it, it was more a feeling. There are some I would much rather have voted.

I miss him already.

i just didn't want to throw my vote away, and at the time I posted, whoever I voted for would not be affected. If I would have been there later I would have voted Mith, probably. Shasta and Eomer also seen suspicious, but I enjoy the Shasta and Eomer show. I just hope they as are innocent as they are entertaining.

[Rikae]

Shastanalysis:

Day 1:

Post #27:
IC. “Nerwen is mostly harmless.... some of us aren't harmless at all.”

Now, it's a minor thing, but somehow the latter addition, knowing Nerwen was a wolf, seems just slightly more likely to come from someone who knew this.

Day 2:

Post #142
IC, expresses confusion about ranger preventing kill and McCaber being modfired.

Now, again, maybe I'm just looking through wolf-colored glasses here, but what better way to distance himself from the night's events?

Post #144
“Things that caught my eye”. Doesn't see a wolf in the “Agan/Form/Nilp brawl”. Nilp is the “odd one out”, something “off” in THE Ka's attitude. Seems to be expressing mild suspicion towards a lot of people: Formendacil, Nilp, THE Ka, Sally, Boromir, Kath, Eonwe, Elf-Warrior, Eomer... the questioning of Eomer's suspicion of Mith looks fairly reasonable. Insinuates Eonwe lied about his vote (with little justification I can see, as I pointed out later). Finds Eomer and Eonwe most suspicious, Mith and Nerwen not suspicious, Nogrod “not so suspicious”.

As a wolf would he actually list Nerwen as “not suspicious”? I'm not sure...

Post #193
Translates chatspeak. Discusses possibility of wolf-on-wolf voting with Nilp and Kitanna. Says he will look to see who was conspicuous enough to attract the attention of the wolves and the ranger.

Feels helpful and rather innocent here.

#198
Vote count. Points out it's the second day in a row EW voted without explanation.

#200
“I decided to do something different, and leave the wolves and Ranger”

#205
Wouldn't mind seeing Eonwe gone, he and Eomer are most suspicious, EW “isn't being actively unhelpful” and might just be having issues.

Two posts ago he was pointing out EW's suspicious behavior... hmm.

#208
Kath won't be modfired if she doesn't want to vote toDay.

#209
Translates Nerwen.

#214
Votes for Eonwe

Day 3

#250
“Why Kath? She hasn't even gotten to play yet!”
Sounds innocent enough, actually. I've noticed Shasta is one of the first to post most days – maybe because of his time zone...? And it might make him seem unduly prominent or focused on the nightly events. *takes off wolf-colored glasses*

#253
Was just thinking he'd like to hear more from Durelin (after she posts) will go make himself useful.

#266
To Eomer: “Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.”

Interesting, considering his original responses to EW (“oh dear” and pointing out the two unexplained votes).

#269
Argues with Eomer over the “asking the village to lynch him” thing re: EW.

Not sure what to make of this. It seems he's deliberately misinterpreting, sort of.

#271
More argument with Eomer. Annoyed at kill and lynch because both were people who couldn't play because of RL issues.

This sounds like the Shasta I know from other games, and I can understand where he's coming from on this, I suppose. He could say the same thing as a wolf, though, too. Especially if – were he the new wolf, might he not have had a say in the nightly kill? Nah, probably unlikely.

#275
More arguing with Eomer. I would say that a wolf wouldn't be this passionate and attention-grabbing, if I hadn't done exactly that as a wolf myself. In fact, the lynching of innocents tends to look even more offensively stupid to wolves, so it's easy to take the “moral high ground” like this.

#277
To Eomer: “isn't it a common wolf tactic to redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you? :P”

#280
Would suspect Eomer even more if Eomer were quiet. EW seemed to be having RL issues..,, etc, etc,'

Rereading this argument is giving me a headache. No comment.

#283
Another episode of the Shasta/Eomer show. *yawn* Wouldn't say “loads” of people suspected EW. What Eomer says he would do as a wolf doesn't matter, because there isn't proof.

#304
Why he's suspicious of Eomer and not me. Sold his car during night 3, so might as well stay home and post. Likes Mith's point on Nogrod. Banter.

The car thing makes me feel better about him.

#308
Answers Eomer

#319
Sarcastic remark about voting me for being unhelpful.

#323
Votes for Eomer

Conclusion:
He looks less wolfish than he did before. 6 out of 10 on the wolvery scale, I say.

[Eönwë]

Now, again, maybe I'm just looking through wolf-colored glasses here, but what better way to distance himself from the night's events?

[...]

*takes off wolf-colored glasses*

Are you also not just distancing yourself from wolfishness by saying that you are wearing "wolf-colored glasses" (coloured for me, obviously). Maybe those "wolf-colored glasses" of yours are actually how you see at night when you kill... (lol, a wolf in sunglasses:D). Anyway, this seems slightly suspicious to me, using a tactic you criticise yourself.

Or maybe I'm just looking at this through wolf-coloured glasses.:cool:

[Aganzir]

If Shasta has been a wolf from the beginning, I volunteer to be cooked and promise to bring also salt and pepper with me.

I doubt he is a wolf even now. He looks innocent, and the most suspicious thing I could see was the "why wasn't Eomer killed" thing I have talked about.

No one has seemingly considered that the wolves left Eomer alive because in addition to not being sure if he was hunting one of them, then they could also frame innocent Shasta?

I'd rather not vote him today.

There are some I would much rather have voted.
Who be those?

I miss him already.
I don't. It was very nasty of him to be so suspicious.

edit: xed with Eönwë

[Aganzir]

Are you also not just distancing yourself from wolfishness by saying that you are wearing "wolf-colored glasses"
When I'm a wolf, I often wear wolf-coloured glasses, too. :cool:

Though I do it also when I'm innocent and am making a case against someone I suspect heavily.

[Mithalwen]

Oh so now we are more or less at the point where everyone suspects everyone else ..... don't forget there are just 3 wolves and a cobbler (unless it was the cobbler who was "turned") in this village. Guess we should be grateful there are no multiple lynches .... well time for me to go and since Shasta and I are neck and neck... an unfortunate turn of phrase I know...

++Shasta

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Everyone seems to think I'm trying to push my interpretation of Durelin's dreams onto the village when I'm not. :( I never said "this and this is who she dreamed of, and here's why"; I just made guesses. So did about three other people. So I don't understand why this fact is the basis of everyone suspecting me!

Really, you try to help people... :rolleyes:

Not going to vote just yet, but my vote will probably be a self-preservation vote for Mith.

[Eönwë]

It was very nasty of him to be so suspicious.

That's true, but it's always sad to see WW threads quieten down when loud innocents are gone.

[Eönwë]

So, the scores are:

Mith-2
Shasta-1

...I think

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Also:

I've noticed Shasta is one of the first to post most days – maybe because of his time zone...?

My timezone is Central. That means Brinn's deadlines are 6:00 pm for me; it's very easy for me to be during that time unless my mom needs the computer for something (I can't wait to be back in college!). :)

Edit: X'd with Eonwe. I know both Eomer and Mith voted for me.

[Aganzir]

*whistles casually*

There are some I would much rather have voted.

Who be those?

[Nogrod]

I thought of doing something productive but then never managed it. Well, there's two hours still to go.

Just to mention this though.

I agree with Aganzir that if Shasta is a wolf he's the one turned into a wolf after Nerwen had to go. That would mean that we have our two original wolves somewhere else. I think Mith is one of them, I'm indeed pretty positive about it and confirmed because of her way of posting toDay.

So it would leave us one more original wolf - and possibly the turned wolf if Shasta isn't the one. The Eomer - Shasta row and them being alive still would strongly suggest Shasta is the one but Agan is right in pressing we shouldn't take that for granted.

I see Boro's point on the Ka and still feel puzzled about Kitanna (I need to be right even once in a game!:)).

[Eönwë]

And how come Eomer is not voting Mithalwen?

He kept on saying how suspicious he was of her on the first two days, but then on the next two he votes Nilp and today he votes Shasta, specifically avoiding voting Mith. Is he our innocent-turned-wolf?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Even if Durelin did in fact not dream of Kitanna (which I'll concede since everybody seems to be against that), I still think it's very possible she dreamt of Nogrod. Or has someone refuted that as well?

Edit: X'd with Eonwe.

[Eönwë]

My last post makes me even more suspicious of a certain person, so without further ado, I will vote:

++Mithalwen

I don't know how much time I can be on for (with my messed up internet), so I will vote now. Not that that means I won't post if I can.

[Aganzir]

And how come Eomer is not voting Mithalwen?

He kept on saying how suspicious he was of her on the first two days, but then on the next two he votes Nilp and today he votes Shasta, specifically avoiding voting Mith. Is he our innocent-turned-wolf?
I find it impossible that a gifted would have been turned. And I find it very unlikely that Eomer is not a gifted.

Even if Durelin did in fact not dream of Kitanna (which I'll concede since everybody seems to be against that), I still think it's very possible she dreamt of Nogrod. Or has someone refuted that as well?
In my opinion it's possible, too. Besides I have had an inexplicable bad feeling about him. :p

I think lynching Mith would give us the most insight today.

edit: xed with Eönwë

[Nogrod]

And how come Eomer is not voting Mithalwen?

He kept on saying how suspicious he was of her on the first two days, but then on the next two he votes Nilp and today he votes Shasta, specifically avoiding voting Mith. Is he our innocent-turned-wolf?A good point. And if that is the case there might be a real danger for us for if he was indeed the hunter before and was then turned a wolf there would be no real hunter to come forwards and reveal his treachery. :eek:

I don't know how Brinn made the choice of the new wolf or would she allow the village to lose a gifted for the wolves to get one for their pack though... So maybe that's not the case... *crosses fingers*

EDIT: X'd with Shasta, Eönwë & Agan

[Eönwë]

Oops! My latest theory goes down the drain. Eomer actually votes EW on Day 2. SOrry for getting your hopes up people.

[Nogrod]

I still think it's very possible she dreamt of Nogrod. Or has someone refuted that as well?I think it highly unlikely as I happen to be innocent and she never quite said so. But naturally you can't "refute" a speculation like that unless you're the person her/himself - and why would anyone believe you even if you knew something was true? :)

[Aganzir]

Eönwë darling, please see my #407.

[Eönwë]

Eönwë darling, please see my #407.

Ok, ok I get the hint. Here is a list (If I get killed in the night for this, Agan, I'm coming after you in the next game):

Prime suspects:
Mithalwen
Shasta
Nogrod

and then there's Eomer

edit: ooh, and maybe Kitanna, but sometimes she seemes really suspicious, and sometimes not at all.

I'm just not sure any more

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Ok, ok I get the hint. Here is a list (If I get killed in the night for this, Agan, I'm coming after you in the next game):

Prime suspects:
Mithalwen
Shasta
Nogrod

and then there's Eomer

The two people most talked about today and the person I just posted about.... :rolleyes:

[Eönwë]

The two people most talked about today and the person I just posted about.... :rolleyes:

Well, obviously. You expected something new and contemporary?:rolleyes: This is WW, by now, nothing is fresh.

And by the way, I didn't even read your last post so :p.

edit: spelt obviously wrong.

[Nogrod]

The two people most talked about today and the person I just posted about.... :rolleyes:Seems like guaranteed Eönwë-style... :rolleyes:

I have thought it too eyebrow-raising to be wolf-behaviour but I don't know.

[satansaloser2005]

Quick pop-in before I go to post properly.

No, I don't think Brinn would turn a gifted into a wolf; it just wouldn't be fair. Unless she turned the cobbler, and I can almost guarantee that that wouldn't happen; it'd just be silly. I'm guessing she picked randomly from the remaining ordos. I could be wrong, but I'm probably not. :Merisu:



Anyway, I see a Mith wagon (well, maybe the start of one anyway), and since I actually got to read everything toDay (well, you know what I mean by everything) I'm okay with it. It's just that yesterDay I hadn't looked at Mith and couldn't vote her in good conscience without looking at everything first (that and it seemed at the time that it was a mighty sudden bandwagon....erm, whoops) so I voted for Nilp since he was....well, so Nilp. ;)



All right, off into the land of posts. Be back soon as I can dearies.

[Eönwë]

What I mean is, most of what has been said is what will be said later on, just pieced together differently. It is only in the first few days that people get a chance to say something new (especially on Day 1, and day 1's are never relevant). People just base their suspicions upon older ones and tailor them to suit themselves.

[Eönwë]

I have thought it too eyebrow-raising to be wolf-behaviour but I don't know.

Anyway, wouldn't that be too obvious for a wolf? Even me.

[Aganzir]

(If I get killed in the night for this, Agan, I'm coming after you in the next game
I fail to see why you should be killed for it.

It's funny that yesterday Mith looked much more suspicious than Nogrod and today it's vice versa.

I wonder if Kitanna could be the cobbler. That would explain her being both suspicious and innocent in several people's opinion, and going after Nerwen.

edit: xed with Eönwë. Sometimes the most obvious things are the best wolf covers, so I don't consider that an argument for you.

[Eönwë]

I have thought it too eyebrow-raising to be wolf-behaviour but I don't know.

AnywayX2- aren't wolves always killed in bandwaggons (except really late in the game).

[Eönwë]

Hmm... Just over an hour left- Anything could happen...

[Rikae]

That's true, but it's always sad to see WW threads quieten down when loud innocents are gone.

Especially when you're a wolf. Loud innocents attract attention to themselves and away from you, after all... :p

To clarify, "wolf-colored glasses" mean glasses that make what I'm looking at look wolvish, not glasses that I wear because I am a wolf. Kind of like "rose-colored glasses" mean everything else looks rose-colored, not that I am rose-colored. Double :p.

I don't like the way people have narrowed the field to Shasta and Mith, and I, for one, am unlikely to vote for either of them. So there.

[Nogrod]

I decided to check the action from yuesterDay before the DL.

The votes at 10 minutes before the deadline were:
Nilp 3
Eomer 2

Ach, no.
2 votes.
Well...
I'm the Hunter.

*sigh* Yes, yes, we figured by now you were someone important, the way you were acting...

*irritated*
You're not dead yet, you know... Nilp's still the front-runner.
Of course, if you don't die, we won't know for sure if you are hunter or not... and the wolves might not kill you tonight.

With 2 votes and plenty of talk about me, and with minutes to spare, I'm not taking any chances. I'm not killing an innocent.

Eomer, I'm glad you're not dead but you weren't in the lead when you revealed. Was it really necessary?
As you see I have bolded two interesting comments there. Form's foresight, readiness to challenge the believability of Eomer's revelation and his open annoyance do raise my eyebrows but they might talk for his innocence as well.

But what on Arda does Eomer mean by saying that he's "not killing an innocent"? Should that be counted as a slip of the angle he's looking the game from? Gah, I don't know. All the reasons would state that he's true (the possibility of the real hunter to pull his bluff, Brinn not changing a gifted to a wolf... ) but I just don't like that sentence. It's not something innocents say.

[Brinniel]

I don't know how Brinn made the choice of the new wolf or would she allow the village to lose a gifted for the wolves to get one for their pack though... So maybe that's not the case... *crosses fingers*
Let me clarify some things regarding the newly turned wolf, so there is not too much confusion.

I did not de-gift anyone. The newly bitten wolf was previously an ordo. It wouldn't have been fair to turn any gifteds, even the cobbler (as I know from personal experience).

Also, if bringing in a new wolf affected Durelin's previous dreams at all, she would have been informed.

Lastly, the new wolf was turned sometime during the extended Night 3. So he/she would've taken part in any wolf planning once informed of the new role.

[Eönwë]

Especially when you're a wolf. Loud innocents attract attention to themselves and away from you, after all... :p

:(But that's not the right sort of frown.

To clarify, "wolf-colored glasses" mean glasses that make what I'm looking at look wolvish, not glasses that I wear because I am a wolf. Kind of like "rose-colored glasses" mean everything else looks rose-colored, not that I am rose-colored.

I know that. I was just making a point.

[Boromir88]

Eonwe:

Votes:
Day 1- Mithalwen
Day 2- Elf-Warrior
Day 3- Nilp
Day 4- Mithalwen

I said that Eonwe's Day 1 vote didn't look suspicious, but I might do a complete flip-flop here on Eonwe who is baffling me right now. (I'll get to that in a bit). Day 2 vote was out of self preservation, that doesn't say anything. Whether wolf or not, most people would want to stay in the village (occassionally we get a couple suicidals).

He kept on saying how suspicious he was of her on the first two days, but then on the next two he votes Nilp and today he votes Shasta, specifically avoiding voting Mith. Is he our innocent-turned-wolf.~Eonwe
Seeing as no person has come to refute Eomer's hunter claim I see no reason to believe he isn't the hunter. And the suggestion that Brin would make such a lopsided, unbalanced move to take away one of the gifteds and make him a wolf is ridiculous. (I hope you don't take any offense to this Brin, but if any moderator made such an unbalanced change to completely screw a village, I would never be in that person's village again).

And regarding Eonwe's about Nilp:
I miss him already.
An apologetic wolf is not unheard of.

Formendacil:

Votes:
Day 1- Nogrod
Day 2- Elf-warrior
Day 3- Eomer

I still feel neutral about his Day 1 vote, that isn't an odd play when it comes to Form. I don't agree with Rikae at all - would you care to say why you have a hunch about Formendacil? What is it that he says. Because even if he voted for Eomer yesterday, I feel a genuine innocence. He notes my points on Nogrod and on Eomer, and like I said about Kitanna, just seems to come to a well reasoned conclusion.

A wolf Form is perfectly capable of doing that, but right now he is someone who's judgement I trust. Since I'm not all that suspicious of Kitanna, I don't think his defense for Kitanna (because of Durelin's posts) is all that suspicious. But there I go being hypocritical again, because that is a reason Shasta is one of my top suspects.

Edit: crossed with everything since Eonwe's post 419

[Nogrod]

Thanks Brinn!

And that will seal my case with Eomer unless someone comes to contest his role saying s/he's the real hunter.

[Eönwë]

Seeing as no person has come to refute Eomer's hunter claim I see no reason to believe he isn't the hunter. And the suggestion that Brin would make such a lopsided, unbalanced move to take away one of the gifteds and make him a wolf is ridiculous.


I wasn't saying that he wasn't a hunter for sure, I was just looking at things from a different angle. Anyway, you'll see that I soon rejected the theory in any case.

[Formendacil]

I would say Form fits the type of player Durelin would dream about early on. Also, I would imagine each day she would leave us some hint as to who she voted for. She only had 3 posts on Day 1...her first post was completely RPG IC, there are no people mentioned, and so if there is a clue it's a cryptic one. That is something I will not be able to uncover. Her last post she votes for Kit on the grounds of stirring up trouble against Nerwen, and Durelin felt Nerwen was an easy Day 1 wolf lynch. On Night 1 at least she didn't dream of Kit or Nerwen.

Thus is it her 2nd post on the Day where she gives us the hint? She lumps several people together, makes a neutral statement about Nogrod, but with Form there's just something about him she likes.

Haven't read past Page 10, but I'll respond to the only thing (at least regarding me) that I've had a thought on, namely the above quote by Boromir.

As much as I would love Durelin to have dreamt of me, while not disprovable, I do not think this to have been the case, on the basis of her suspicion list yesterday. If she had dreamt and found me guilty, I'd have been at the top of the list--not the bottom. If she had dreamt and found me innocent, I'd not have been on it at all.

Oh, also a thought to Mith regarding my not-fully-shaken-off ICness...

Given that I am a Tolkien Canonist when NOT playing this game, I hardly think I could be accused harshly if I seem to retain the persona. Not that there is any conscious attempt to do so, mind, but it is sort of my modus operandi.

More after I read Page 11.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

But what on Arda does Eomer mean by saying that he's "not killing an innocent"? Should that be counted as a slip of the angle he's looking the game from? Gah, I don't know. All the reasons would state that he's true (the possibility of the real hunter to pull his bluff, Brinn not changing a gifted to a wolf... ) but I just don't like that sentence. It's not something innocents say.

What's the problem, Nogrod? I speak of the rules of the game regarding the Hunter. If I am lynched I kill whoever I choose to hunt, wolf or innocent. If I am attacked by wolves in the night, I can kill only a wolf. With this rule, I absolutely refuse to be lynched (hence my reveal when there was a danger of this).

You seem to be doing a lot to cause confusion.

[Rikae]

I was just wondering: how did we end up with the field narrowed to Shasta and Mith?


Nogrod, in post #356, says he still thinks Mith may be a wolf for avoiding talking about Nerwen, and Durelin may have been dropping hints about Shasta being a wolf.


In the very next post, Kitanna says: “But what about Shasta and Mith as her voting candidates for yesterday's vote? Could she have voted for one of them and found one of them a wolf? If that's the case she might have dreamt of Mith. Or those were two she wanted to dream of and never got the chance. If that's the case maybe it put the hackers on edge that someone was on to them.”


#359, Nogrod says he's wishing to lynch Mith.


#360, Form says not to ignore Mith because of her near brush with death.


#361, Kitanna inclined to think Durelin dreamed of a Mith-wolf, or had plans to dream of her or a Shasta-wolf, making them nervous.


#362 – Eomer's theory that the wolves would have killed him if Shasta was not a wolf. (Unfortunately, most wolves would suspect a possible trap by a hunter, so I don't think we can glean much from this)


#366 Kitanna votes for Mith and thinks Shasta is a wolf, too.


#367 Agan thinks Shasta looks innocent, Mith looks suspicious.


#368 Boro thinks Kitanna may be corredt and Mith or Shasta a wolf.


#371 Eomer accuses Mith of trying to buy Shasta another day.


#374 Boro agrees with Eomer, thinks one of the two is the spammer & the other a hacker.


#375 Eomer: “Shasta and Mith both seem like excellent lynching targets toDay.” Votes for Shasta.


#377 Boro says “Boro's got lots of time on his off day and would like to keep this an active day, and not resign ourselves to "Well Shasta or Mith will get it today, here's my vote, bye."


Nice enough, but Boro has played a big role in narrowing it to Shasta and Mith, and he's rather reinforcing the idea by pronouncing it so like this, too.


At any rate, I can't shake the feeling that something is fishy here, and going over the day's events has me feeling uneasy about Kitanna – or possibly Nogrod, who might have been on the chopping block if these two hadn't been the front runners. Also, let's not discount the possibility Eomer is actually the spammer! The real hunter may be lying low because being lynched, even while taking spammer-Eomer along, wouldn't help the village nearly as much as being wolf-killed.


Just a few thoughts.

[Nogrod]

I just went backwards and saw Kitanna's nice analysis on Dury and the way she concluded to Mith's lupinity. So even if wolf-voting-wolfs are not unheard of (:rolleyes:) I'd say that if and when Mith turns out a wolf I'd be much more at ease with Kitanna. I mean it was clear there were a host of suspicions on Mith already yesterDay and thence Kit's vote might be important in the end.

But then again it would be quite "Mithish" to say to her fellows that: "vote me and get yourselves a good reputation as I seem to be a goner already..."

I remember people saying how their brains were hurting at different earlier stages of the game. I'd say mine is hurting only now...

[Formendacil]

Okay, I've read up to what was current as of my last post, but cross-posting and might have left me a little behind regardless. With half an hour (oh, and more... darned BD time being off... though it gives me a much appreciated 10 minutes, it keeps confusing me) until the deadline, plenty of time to catch that.

Thoughts are nebulous at the moment... Rikae, despite apparently having more time today, still has not said why I was suddenly so clearly evil yesterday, and has not really either confirmed that theory today or dropped it as mistaken. This irritates me, largely because I'm in the one in question, but also because it might speak of a wolf that realises I'm too innocent... or something.

Her complaint, however, that the day is devolving into a Mith/Shasta bandwaggon perks up my ears. Both cases, from my point of view, would seem to suggest that they could be wolves--and if so, then perhaps Rikae is concerned for her two accomplices.

The fact that we haven't killed the Cobbler is also starting to bug me... not because I don't think us capable of thoroughly confusing ourselves, but because I'm starting to think that I see everybody as confusing rather than suspicious, and thus it would seem to indicate that the Cobbler is providing good cover for the wolves right now.

[Boromir88]

I wasn't saying that he wasn't a hunter for sure, I was just looking at things from a different angle. Anyway, you'll see that I soon rejected the theory in any case.~Eonwe
It's been noted, and just so everyone understands my last three posts have been to keep a discussion fueled for today, and consider some things for down the road. I still have the complete intention of voting for either Shasta or Mith today. (So, yes Mith I'm still pretty keen on seeing you dead.) I just don't know if you're a wolf, or a spammer trying to protect who you think is a wolf.

[Nogrod]

I speak of the rules of the game regarding the Hunter. If I am lynched I kill whoever I choose to hunt, wolf or innocent. If I am attacked by wolves in the night, I can kill only a wolf.Sorry. My bad. I had no idea about that kind of new version of the hunter... Maybe I should have followed the discussions a bit more closely... :(

But anyway. Brinn's explanation has already convinced me that I will consider voting for you only if someone comes to claim the role of hunter as well.

[Aganzir]

#367 Agan thinks Shasta looks innocent, Mith looks suspicious.
Actually, I thought it was likely that either Mith or Nogrod was a wolf, and Mith looked more wolfish. Though today Nogrod has been much more suspicious so I don't really know anymore.

Unless I miscounted, if we don't get a wolf in three days (and there are no ranger saves and Eomer doesn't take a wolf down), we'll lose.

Somehow I'm not so sure anymore if I want to vote for Mith. Kitanna and Nogrod feel worse, and to an extent also Form.

edit: xed with Form, Boro and Nog

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Form
*irritated*
You're not dead yet, you know... Nilp's still the front-runner.
Of course, if you don't die, we won't know for sure if you are hunter or not... and the wolves might not kill you tonight.

Good call, Nogrod, I don't think it looks good either.
For some reason, I can't turn the italics off...

Anyway, as for my hunch, Boro, there was no logical reason behind it, hence the word "hunch". And no, Form, I'm not going to retract it as mistaken, since you not only are still giving me a bad feeling, you are now starting to look more definitely evil.

Now Mith, Shasta and I are all wolves together now, because I don't like to see our options and discussion narrowed down without analyzing exactly how this is happening?
A wolf who thinks you look "too innocent"? Why wouldn't I just kill you by night, then, instead of opening myself to criticism by mentioning a mere hunch about you?

[Formendacil]

Mith or Shasta? Shasta or Mith?

That seems to be the question of the day, and as a rare occurrence in my career with this game, I'm wishing we could double-lynch... I'm inclined to suspect both, and I'd be willing to sacrifice the other to catch one.

Murphy's Law: figures it'd be a game that forbid double-lynching that would see me want it.:rolleyes:

Of the two, I'm more liable to vote Mith. Although the Shasta has its merits, Mith was on my radar earlier.

Besides these candidates, however, I've still got Nogrod stuck in my mind. I'm sure that if a bandwaggon came along, I'd put my signature to that vote with glee, but standing with just my own suspicions, I keep having second thoughts to the effect of "he's just too much of a philosopher, and you're suspicious as a philosophy student yourself that he's got wheels inside of wheels inside of wheels." Be that as it may, he's still on my radar.

I've mentally put Boromir, Aganzir, and Eönwë in the category of "innocent", and I'm really not sure why. This troubles me... but not enough to suspect them.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If it helps, Form, Nogrod is pinging my radar as well. :P I wouldn't be averse to voting him... if I didn't have to save myself.

[Aganzir]

I could vote for Nogrod too.

I'll eat my hat with feathers and all if neither Mith nor Nog is a wolf, and today I'd prefer trying Nog.

[Nogrod]

Oh my... In the beginning of the Day I thought Agan was a bit slippery... I mean it's not too often she has to take back her words and defend her inconsistencies but there she did it. I thought to leave it for later but now I feel I need to say this as she starts to look like Roa in good old times steering the votes at the crucial hours when her evilness so thought fit.

I don't think she was one of the original wolves but she might be the one turned into a baddie. I mean if Shasta isn't the new wolf (there's not only the "being still alive with Eomer" - but he also got hyperactive the very same Day the new wolf had been appointed).

EDIT: X'd with Shasta and Agan... now what did I say? If she manages to get me lynched I'll suggest you lynch her the next Day. That is so calculative...

[Formendacil]

Now Mith, Shasta and I are all wolves together now, because I don't like to see our options and discussion narrowed down without analyzing exactly how this is happening?

A wolf who thinks you look "too innocent"? Why wouldn't I just kill you by night, then, instead of opening myself to criticism by mentioning a mere hunch about you?

That's easy enough to answer... yesterday you thought I looked good and suspicious and getting me lynched (or pretending to want that) would make you look good and normal. Today, maybe, you think I look too innocent, and harping on about me will do the lupine cause no good.

Your reply here seems quite charged, and while that can certainly come from someone who's innocent, it certainly isn't encouraging me and I'm still inclined to think you lupine, though I'll grant that you, Mith, and Shasta seems a very unlikely combination.

[Boromir88]

Rikae I won't speak for anyone else, but the reason I've narrowed my top down to Shasta and Mith, is because of Durelin's death.

Durelin ended yesterday by saying she would vote for either Shasta or Mith, and she ended up going with Mith. Now maybe the wolves weren't anticipating Durelin being the seer, and they had a stroke of luck. But, if they did think someone was onto them (especially if it was the seer) I think they'd silence that person fast. It doesn't look like Durelin dreamed of a wolf, but I agree with Kitanna's theory that if the wolves thought Durelin was the seer and either Mith or Shasta was a wolf, they wanted to get to Durelin before she found out for sure.

Not only that, but this Shasta-Eomer back and forth has been too distracting. I've been suspicious of Mith because I've found at least two of her votes odd - plus her reasoning suspicious (Day 1 for sally and yesterday for Nogrod). And at least for me, her death would reveal more about sally, Kitanna, and Nogrod.

Edit: crossed with everything since Rikae's post 442

[Shastanis Althreduin]

but he also got hyperactive the very same Day the new wolf had been appointed

I sold my car that Night, Nogrod, so I have nothing better to do now than post. I said that already. :p

Edit: X'd with Boro

[Nogrod]

I'll eat my hat with feathers and all if neither Mith nor Nog is a wolf, and today I'd prefer trying Nog.First of all you know you don't need to act on that promise as Mith is a wolf. So interesting that toDay you think you'd not be so keen to lynch Mith... :p

[Formendacil]

I could vote for Nogrod too.

I'll eat my hat with feathers and all if neither Mith nor Nog is a wolf, and today I'd prefer trying Nog.

As much as I'm suspicious of Nogrod, the fact that the offer to lynch him comes from you and Shasta doesn't incline to voting that way. Though you, Agan have been on my "innocent" list, I agree wtih Nogrod that there's a definite air of steering the vote in the last minutes, and Shasta is just too tainted right now... unless Mith turns out to be a wolf, I'm not putting any faith in his innocence, and even then... he might not be a wolf, but he could be the Cobbler.

Leaning Mithways, but given her lead in the votes thus far, I'll hold off a moment or three.

[satansaloser2005]

First of all, I'm SO sorry. My aunt called and then....well, I just spaced this off pretty much. I'm not going to subject you all to another long post right before deadline, so here goes a brief thought/how-I-plan-to-vote summation.


Why do our only two candidates seem to be Mith and Shasta? I know, y'all have said it too, so they're really not the only two candidates. I'm not saying that I wouldn't vote for them, only that they're getting too much attention. Hmmmm....we DO still have a cobbler out there. Maybe Mith or Shasta is too busy making delicious crumbles to distract us from catching the real wolves.

My top suspects (Mith aside) are still Form and Noggie. I won't bother you with why right now (again, sorry about that....*mutters*) but it's essentially a gut feeling. Noggie's still feeling wrong to me, and Form, although I've not played with him before now, just seems right to be a wolf. Wish I had more time to explain my hunches; hopefully I'm alive toMorrow to make myself more plain. Maybe I'm (semi)alone in that, but I'd go for lynching either one of them.


Posting, then catching up. X'd since a few minutes ago, so anything's possible.


EDIT: indeed, X'd a lot. Somewhere around Form's post about Mith and Shasta.

[Rikae]

That's easy enough to answer... yesterday you thought I looked good and suspicious and getting me lynched (or pretending to want that) would make you look good and normal. Today, maybe, you think I look too innocent, and harping on about me will do the lupine cause no good.
Eh? No one else found you suspicious yesterDay - if I thought you were doing something obviously suspicious, I would have pointed it out, even in the limited time I had - but I merely had a bad feeling. It was pretty obvious you weren't going to be lynched.
And I still find you suspicious toDay. I was just waiting to see if my suspicions would be confirmed by your behavior, and... guess what? :rolleyes:

Your reply here seems quite charged, and while that can certainly come from someone who's innocent, it certainly isn't encouraging me and I'm still inclined to think you lupine, though I'll grant that you, Mith, and Shasta seems a very unlikely combination.

That would be because I think I'm onto a wolf too late in the day to do much about it, and expect that two ordos are being framed. *sigh*

EDIT: X'd with everything since the post I quoted.

[Nogrod]

I sold my car that Night, Nogrod, so I have nothing better to do now than post.Sorry, but I'm just unable to see the connection... Long live the cultural differences! :D

[Aganzir]

Kit - Mith
Eomer - Shasta
Mith - Shasta
Eönwë - Mith

she starts to look like Roa in good old times steering the votes at the crucial hours when her evilness so thought fit.
I'm really flattered to be compared to Roa. :D Thanks!

First of all you know you don't need to act on that promise as Mith is a wolf. So interesting that toDay you think you'd not be so keen to lynch Mith...
Starting to sound a bit desperate, are you, Nog? Either you or Mith is a wolf, yesterday I thought Mith, today you.

Anyway, I am incredibly indecided right now. I have more candidates than there are wolves.

edit: xed since Form

[Rikae]

Oh well.

++Formendacil

[Nogrod]

I have more candidates than there are wolves.
Me too... :rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

My top suspects (Mith aside) are still Form and Noggie. I won't bother you with why right now (again, sorry about that....*mutters*) but it's essentially a gut feeling. Noggie's still feeling wrong to me, and Form, although I've not played with him before now, just seems right to be a wolf. Wish I had more time to explain my hunches; hopefully I'm alive toMorrow to make myself more plain. Maybe I'm (semi)alone in that, but I'd go for lynching either one of them.

Interesting that you lump Nogrod with me, since this inclines to me think him more innocent. Knowing my innocence, if you're getting from him the same vibe you're getting from me, then it seems probable that we're both innocent.

This assumes, of course, that you, Sally are innocent, which I'm not fully willing to grant, though you've struck me as more that than the alternative on a consistent basis.

It also assumes, of course, that Nogrod's style as wolf and style as innocent isn't drastically similar... but regardless, this does incline me to de-suspect him, at least slightly.

[Aganzir]

Kit - Mith
Eomer - Shasta
Mith - Shasta
Eönwë - Mith
Rikae - Form (Mith-2, Shasta-2, Form-1)

[Eönwë]

ooooh! Only 10 minutes.

edit: make that 7

[satansaloser2005]

Interesting that you lump Nogrod with me, since this inclines to me think him more innocent. Knowing my innocence, if you're getting from him the same vibe you're getting from me, then it seems probable that we're both innocent.

This assumes, of course, that you, Sally are innocent, which I'm not fully willing to grant, though you've struck me as more that than the alternative on a consistent basis.

It also assumes, of course, that Nogrod's style as wolf and style as innocent isn't drastically similar... but regardless, this does incline me to de-suspect him, at least slightly.

Different vibes, same conclusion. Not at all what you're implying, love.

He's been on my bad side (wolfwise) all game, so I'm going for it.


++Form

[Aganzir]

Kit - Mith
Eomer - Shasta
Mith - Shasta
Eönwë - Mith
Rikae - Form (Mith-2, Shasta-2, Form-1)
sally - Form (Mith-2, Shasta-2, Form-2)

[Eönwë]

It's a tie! It's a tie!

...so far...

edit: and a 3-way one too.

[Aganzir]

I think our chances with Form are better than with Mith.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

It's a tie! It's a tie!

...so far...

Continuously stating the obvious is rarely endearing. :p

And hi, phantomAgan!

Edit: X'd with ...phantomAgan

[Nogrod]

Okay then - and voting early!

But I'll stick to this toDay.

++ Mith.

Not only what has been said about Dury - Mith and Nerwen - Mith connections but also the way she acted toDay - and the Days before.

Also she didn't say she's innocent which she normally does when innocent but felt like a resignated wolf.

[Formendacil]

We're in the final minutes of the game there are 5 votes cast, with a Mith/Shasta tie...

I'll stick to my guns, though the hints (suspicious as they are) of a Nogrod bandwaggon has its appeal.

++Mithalwen

[Boromir88]

Please lets not have a mass of cross votes at the end. Someone's got to break it...

++Shasta

I don't think I would be able to take another day of Shasta and Eomer battling.

[satansaloser2005]

I am the phantom



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Wolves I can handle, but that? *nilps herself* :p




Crap. Why, WHY did I create a three-way tie? Someone fix my stupidity, please!



EDIT: X'd. Well, better than nothing.

[Eönwë]

Continuously stating the obvious is rarely endearing.

Bold words from one of the tie-ees, eh?:p


edit: Well, not anyomre.

[Aganzir]

++ Form

I've grown so suspicious of him in these last few minutes.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

This speaks of oddness to me; When the possibility of a Form-wagon rears its ugly head, suddenly both Nogrod and Form become decisive.

Hmm.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh heck.

++ Form

....did I just create another tie?

[Aganzir]

Even if Mith dies, it's going to reveal a lot about Nog.

[Aganzir]

*just waiting for someone to vote for Shasta so three people are tied :D*

[Nogrod]

Well, well... If Boro is still alive after a Day or two I say you people should lynch him... Just an idea... :)

... Now what the...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*just waiting for someone to vote for Shasta so three people are tied :D*

:(

[satansaloser2005]

Oh heck.

++ Form

....did I just create another tie?

I believe so. You're a terrible person. :p

[Formendacil]

Well, given where it seems I was headed, I'm doubly glad I voted Mith--both because I've no desire to die yet, and secondly because the only confirmed Innocent (at least in this skull) is me, thus bad repercussions for the village if I die.

Still suspicious of both Rikae and Sally, but I'm just fair-minded enough to admit that I could be allowing their votes to cloud my vision. Of the two, Rikae remains vastly the more suspicious, as Sally has given more, better reasoning throughout.

[Nogrod]

Look at Agan's grin...

[Brinniel]

Deadline! Silence everyone!

It's a tie. Either Formendacil or Mithalwen will die.

[Aganzir]

How did you guess I'm grinning right now? :p

Though only at the absurdity of this day ending. :D

edit: whoops, xed with Brinn. Sorry, O Goddess! Will I be forgiven if I say your deadline post was very good? ;)

[Eönwë]

did I just create another tie?

Yes you did, you naughty boy! Tut tut tut!

edit: sorry Brinniel

[Brinniel]

Much of the day was spent speculating who Durelin could’ve possibly dreamt of.

“Well, Durelin’s attitude towards Kitanna has changed over the days so it seems there’s a good chance she dreamt her as innocent,” thought Shasta.
“Hey, we shouldn’t clear Kitanna of all wolfishness just because of that,” warned Nogrod.
“Meanwhile, you seem rather suspicious yourself, Shasta,” said Eomer.
“I think Mithalwen seems the most likely wolf here,” said Kitanna. “Even if Durelin didn’t dream of her, her suspicions could’ve added some pressure.”
“I think Durelin might’ve dreamt Formendacil as innocent on Night 1,” stated Boromir.
“That’s just silly,” replied Aganzir. “Look how strange Formendacil’s been acting in these last moments. He can’t be innocent!”
"I can't turn off the italics!" cried Rikae.

By the end of the day, while a few insisted on killing Shasta, it became a split tie between Mithalwen and Formendacil.
“How should we decide?” asked Aganzir.
“I know,” answered Shasta, reaching into his pocketsess. “I randomly have this die with me. Why don’t we roll it to see who we should lynch?”
“Sounds good,” Sally agreed. “Mithalwen will be odds and Formendacil will be evens. Two out of three rolls wins…or errr… loses.”

So Shasta rolled the die. The first roll landed on four. The Formendacil voters cheered. The second roll landed on five. The Mithalwen voters cheered. Then came the third roll. All the BDers leaned forward anxiously. The die landed on another five.
“Looks like we’ll be killing Mithalwen!” Eönwë cheered.
“Thank goodness,” said Formendacil, relieved. “I really didn’t feel like dying today.”
“I demand a re-roll!” Mithalwen shouted. “I think Shasta cheated…it’s probably a trick die.”
“But Shasta didn’t even vote for you,” spoke up Nogrod. “He wanted to lynch Formendacil.”

“C’mon, let’s kill her already,” said Kitanna as she threw a rock at Mithalwen.
She handed more rocks to other BDers and they proceeded to do the same.
“Ow! Ouch!” cried Mithalwen as each rock struck her.
Soon all eleven BDers were throwing rocks at Mithalwen.
“Harder!” ordered Eönwë. “She’s not dying fast enough!”
“I am getting VERY angry!” yelled Mithalwen with her teeth clenched.
“You think she’s gonna turn green any second now?” Sally asked Ka, who remained silent.

But instead of turning green, Mithalwen sprouted fur and teeth. She growled at her attackers. Now as a revealed werewolf, the BDers continued to throw rocks at her even faster and harder.
Finally, Formendacil threw the decisive blow when his rock hit a soft spot on her wolfish head. Mithalwen stumbled, then making a noise similar to a dying walrus, she collapsed in slow motion.

“Aha! At last we’ve lynched a werewolf,” Nogrod proclaimed.
“But what should we do with the body?” wondered Boromir.
“I’ve never eaten wolf before, but I’ve always imagined it would make quite a tasty meal,” spoke Eomer.
“I agree,” said Aganzir. “And it’s not like we have anything planned for supper anyway.”

So the BDers skinned the dead werewolf and cooked her for supper.
“Well it would be a shame not to use her soft fur,” Rikae noted.
And she went right to work at making a large blanket out of Mithalwen’s fur coat.
Once everything was ready, the eleven remaining BDers sat down to enjoy a filling supper as they took turns sharing the fur blanket while night fell upon them.

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The Living:

Kitanna~the self-righteous know-it-all
Aganzir~non-anonymous neg-repper
Shastanis Althreduin~chatspeak translator
Boromir88~the one upper
Rikae~the person who tries to fake knowledge of the books and fails miserably
Eomer of the Rohirrim~easily-offended trendy
Nogrod~the wanna-be moderator
satansaloser2005~a fan of everything but Tolkien
THE Ka~Artful Dodger
Eönwë~conspiracy theorist
Formendacil~Tolkien Canonist

The Dead:

The Barrow-Wight~took up permanent residence in a barrow (mod)
The Sixth Wizard~ grammar Nazi~strung up in a tree (ordo)
McCaber~ does it 4 teh lulz~made the narration much more amusing than it originally was (ordo)
The Elf-Warrior~nitpicker~didn’t know how to float (ordo)
Nerwen~ rabid fangirl~willingly traded her life for an autographed Legolas poster (hacker/werewolf)
Kath~artiste~wrote her last poem (ordo)
Nilpaurion Felagund~ Ainulindalë Addict~had a mouthful of dynamite (ordo)
Durelin~ Unreliable RPG Addict~made a delicious s’more (moderator seer)
Mithalwen~ therapist~provided a satisfying meal while keeping her BDers warm (hacker/wolf)

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Night 5 has begun.

Wolves may start talking. Gifteds do your thing. Everyone else remain silent.

[Brinniel]

By the time everyone was done with dinner, it was completely dark. While the BDers washed the dishes and prepared for bed, Ka began packing her bags.

“What are you doing?” asked Aganzir as she watched Ka haul her backpack out of the tent.
“You know, we may have killed one wolf, but there’s still two left,” Rikae told her.
“I know,” Ka replied. “But all this lynch someone everyday business is rather repetitive, don’t you think? I’m bored with it, and there’s better things I could be doing.”
“Like what?” Eomer asked.
“Like working….that’s much more useful than anything Barrow-Down related. And at least at work I won’t have the risk of getting killed each day and night.” The other BDers rolled their eyes at Ka.
“How do we know you’re not a hacker?” asked Kitanna.
“Because if were one, I wouldn’t be leaved,” Ka answered simply. “Bye everyone! Good luck catching them werewolves!”
And the Ka picked up her backpack and walked out of the camp.

Ka quickly cursed herself for forgetting to bring a flashlight. But she was too proud to go back, so she continued to stumble through the dark forest. Only moments after leaving, she came across a division in the path.
“Which way do I go? Right or left?” she wondered to herself.
Ka couldn’t remember which way she had come from upon first arriving at the camp. That had been too many days ago and she had followed the others in front of her.
“I think I came from….this way,” she decided and continued forward choosing the left path.
Unfortunately for poor Ka, without a flashlight, she did not see the large signs in front of her. The sign with the arrow pointing right read “WAY OUT” while the one that pointed left read “CERTAIN DEATH.”

The camp finished cleaning up the camp for the night without Ka in silence.
Several moments after she had left, Sally finally spoke up: “Ka does know not to turn left…right?”
The other BDers stared at her, uncertain. Suddenly a loud “Aaaaaiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee” came from the distance followed by a SPLAT.
“I guess not,” Nogrod replied.

The BDers ran towards the source of the sound to find themselves standing at the ledge of a cliff. They shone their flashlights at the bottom of the drop where they could vaguely see what remained of Ka.
“Well at least we now know she was telling the truth,” said Formendacil.

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The loss of their mate Mithalwen was a rough blow to the werewolves, even if the extra death of an innocent sort of helped make things better. But they had to learn to go on without her, and so they would.

This night the wolves didn’t even have to seek out their next victim. She was already outside her tent, skipping around the camp while cheerfully humming to herself. The wolves approached her and as a twig snapped, she turned around only slightly surprised.

“Oh, hello guys,” she said to them happily. “Up to more mischief tonight? Who you gonna kill this time?”
“You,” the two wolves replied.
“Really?” Their victim was delighted. “It’s an honour to be your next meal, if I may say so myself. The others…they don’t even realize it.” The BDer lied down in the dirt and spread out her arms and legs. “So where do you want to begin? At my feet? Or maybe you want to take an arm? Pick anywhere….I just ask you save my eyes for last. I’d really like to watch you work, if you don’t mind.”
The wolves stared at each other, confused.
“Uhh…I think we’ll start at the middle,” one finally replied.

And so the wolves tore open their victim’s torso. The BDer watched with much excitement as they ate her liver and chewed on her intestines while she proceeded to mutter something incomprehensible.
But the wolves could understand her words as she took her last breath: “Special deals on Blackberry Pearl 8110….only $150…..comes in black or red…” And then she went still.

Suddenly the wolves realised what they had just done.
“I think I’ve lost my appetite,” said one wolf.
“Are you serious?” asked the other.
“Nah, I’m just kidding,” the wolf replied. “It’d be a waste of meat not to eat.”
And the wolves continued to tear apart their victim.

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The next morning the BDers found what little that remained of Sally lying in the dirt. Her arms and legs were spread out and there was no sign of a struggle. At her feet, the BDers found a large can of Spam (http://www.forward-moving.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/38197-spam.jpg).

Sally was the spammer.

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The Living:

Kitanna~the self-righteous know-it-all
Aganzir~non-anonymous neg-repper
Shastanis Althreduin~chatspeak translator
Boromir88~the one upper
Rikae~the person who tries to fake knowledge of the books and fails miserably
Eomer of the Rohirrim~easily-offended trendy
Nogrod~the wanna-be moderator
Eönwë~conspiracy theorist
Formendacil~Tolkien Canonist

The Dead:

The Barrow-Wight~took up permanent residence in a barrow (mod)
The Sixth Wizard~ grammar Nazi~strung up in a tree (ordo)
McCaber~ does it 4 teh lulz~made the narration much more amusing than it originally was (ordo)
The Elf-Warrior~nitpicker~didn’t know how to float (ordo)
Nerwen~ rabid fangirl~willingly traded her life for an autographed Legolas poster (hacker/werewolf)
Kath~artiste~wrote her last poem (ordo)
Nilpaurion Felagund~ Ainulindalë Addict~had a mouthful of dynamite (ordo)
Durelin~ Unreliable RPG Addict~made a delicious s’more (moderator seer)
Mithalwen~ therapist~provided a satisfying meal while keeping her BDers warm (hacker/wolf)
THE Ka~Artful Dodger~took a wrong turn (ordo)
satansaloser2005~a fan of everything but Tolkien~suffered from a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome (spammer/cobbler)

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Day 5 has begun.

Wolves stop PMing. Everyone may now discuss.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I guess the dream I had last night was wrong. XD I had this really weird dream that Nogrod and Form were dancing around a campfire, and that Eomer was the spammer for some reason.

This certainly explains why Sally attempted to save Mith twice, though.

^Early post in case the storm knocks out my internet.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

That's good news. :)

Really must go to bed now, but I was working out some stuff earlier. Conclusion was that it would be a fair idea for a wolf team sans Shasta to leave me alive in the hope that the village could lynch him. Also, killing me might make Shasta probably innocent in the eyes of the village, if I killed no-one with me in the night (because I would probably have hunted him while being killed).

So I'm not gunning for you based on this Shasta. Though some clever player will probably now demonstrate exactly why last night's kill incriminates you further. :D

[Rikae]

Well, it looks like things are finally getting better for us (no thanks to me). Sorry, Formendacil - I can only assume from the way Aganzir and Shasta followed my vote yesterDay, one (or both) of them is evil and you are innocent. I did find it odd at the time that they were so eager to follow my vote: I only wished to get my suspicions out in the open and vote accordingly, but didn't really feel I'd "made a case", so to speak, to be acted on that day!

I'm almost certainly going to vote for one of those two toDay. Aganzir's little exchange about "grinning" was disturbing enough yesterDay...
actually, come to think of it, we may have both our remaining wolves. If Shasta was not a wolf with Aganzir, why would she have voted for Form when she could have saved Mith more easily, and less conspicuously, by voting for Shasta? And why would Shasta prefer to vote for Form to save himself, instead of for Mith?
It may be my misguided suspicion worked out for the best in the long run (thanks to the roll of the dice, anyway).

EDIT: X'd with a wolf and a hunter.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That's good news. :)

Really must go to bed now, but I was working out some stuff earlier. Conclusion was that it would be a fair idea for a wolf team sans Shasta to leave me alive in the hope that the village could lynch him. Also, killing me might make Shasta probably innocent in the eyes of the village, if I killed no-one with me in the night (because I would probably have hunted him while being killed).

So I'm not gunning for you based on this Shasta. Though some clever player will probably now demonstrate exactly why last night's kill incriminates you further. :D

Wait, the Sally-kill incriminates me? o_O Why don't you go ahead and explain, Eomer, I'm dying to hear this one.

Edit: Oh, whoa, X'd with Rikae.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

You misunderstand me, Shasta. I say the sally kill does NOT incriminate you, but I half-expect a clever person to make me look silly by proving how it does.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And why would Shasta prefer to vote for Form to save himself, instead of for Mith?
It may be my misguided suspicion worked out for the best in the long run (thanks to the roll of the dice, anyway).

Well, for one, it didn't matter WHO I voted yesterday, someone was going to suspect me. :p Think about it; if I'd voted Mith, at least one person would have said (and I think in fact did say, yesterday) that Mith could have expected to have been lynched and told her fellow wolves to vote her.

For another, Form swiftly grew in suspicion for me near the end of yesterday. By then I thought Mith and Form were both wolves, and figured Mith was obvious enough to everyone, but Form had only garnered suspicion from a few.

In fact, I still think both our remaining wolves are Nogrod and Form.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You misunderstand me, Shasta. I say the sally kill does NOT incriminate you, but I half-expect a clever person to make me look silly by proving how it does.

Oh, I see. Thank you for clearing that up, because I did misunderstand you. :)

[Rikae]

Well, for one, it didn't matter WHO I voted yesterday, someone was going to suspect me. :p Think about it; if I'd voted Mith, at least one person would have said (and I think in fact did say, yesterday) that Mith could have expected to have been lynched and told her fellow wolves to vote her.
Sure, you still could have been a wolf in that case, but you wouldn't be any more likely because of your vote. The vote you *did* make, however, was one that almost saved Mith.

For another, Form swiftly grew in suspicion for me near the end of yesterday. By then I thought Mith and Form were both wolves, and figured Mith was obvious enough to everyone, but Form had only garnered suspicion from a few.
That doesn't explain why you would prefer lynching Form to lynching Mith. What exactly made you change your mind on him, anyway?

[Nogrod]

Rikae is right in that the last minutes of yesterDay were just completely insane. We should read them once again. I'll go and do it myself but I'd encourage others to do the same. Many eyes see better than just a few.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Sure, you still could have been a wolf in that case, but you wouldn't be any more likely because of your vote. The vote you *did* make, however, was one that almost saved Mith.

Yes, but it also almost doomed Form, and like I say, Mith would have been lynched soon in any case. How do you know that I didn't almost doom a Formwolf at the same time I almost saved a Mithwolf?

[Nogrod]

Well, for one, it didn't matter WHO I voted yesterday, someone was going to suspect me.That's the way a wolf thinks...
By then I thought Mith and Form were both wolves, and figured Mith was obvious enough to everyone, but Form had only garnered suspicion from a few.So? If you had an obvious wolf in your head and saw others were also suspected you decided not to lynch the clear wolf and decided to try someone you had only started to suspect at the last minutes? Quite an interesting way to behave for an innocent...

I'm sorry Shasta but I'm afraid I am growing more and more confident on your lupinity. But let's read and think first - and there's the other one to catch as well.

EDIT: X'd with Shasta

[Aganzir]

I am starting to like these wolves. ;)
(And of course I am a wolf trying to bluff by laughing at them.)

Sorry, Formendacil - I can only assume from the way Aganzir and Shasta followed my vote yesterDay, one (or both) of them is evil and you are innocent. I did find it odd at the time that they were so eager to follow my vote: I only wished to get my suspicions out in the open and vote accordingly, but didn't really feel I'd "made a case", so to speak, to be acted on that day!
As you can see from my posts, I wanted to vote for someone else than Mith yesterday (and actually I've been more or less suspecting Form quite long). Nogrod was my preference, but when there came a chance to get Form lynched, I was happy to vote for him. I was wrong about Mith, but her guilt doesn't make me feel more confident about Form's innocence - at least until I have read his posts once again, which I'm not going to do now.

What was so disturbing about my grinning, Rikae?

Just for the record, not that anyone's going to care about this too much anyway, but I have voted for every single fellow wolf of mine that was ever lynced. So you should be more worried about me if I had voted for Mith. :p

I guess I owe apologies to Nogrod. From now on I will always trust your judgement. :p

My wolf guesses are still Form and Kitanna. Though my opinion is subject to change when I read through their posts later.

I will hang around for a few minutes and then go to sleep.

edit: xed since Eomer

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That's the way a wolf thinks...

So? If you had an obvious wolf in your head and saw others were also suspected you decided not to lynch the clear wolf and decided to try someone you had only started to suspect at the last minutes? Quite an interesting way to behave for an innocent...

I'm sorry Shasta but I'm afraid I am growing more and more confident on your lupinity. But let's read and think first - and there's the other one to catch as well.

EDIT: X'd with Shasta

It's also true, tell me it's not. :p

And who's to say there'd be another chance to lynch Form today? I saw a chance to lynch someone I suspected of wolfery. I don't see what's so suspicious about that.

[Nogrod]

I don't see what's so suspicious about that.That's what I'm going to try and find out Shasta - whether it is as suspicious as I now feel it is. It will take a moment to go through yesterDay as I'm quite slow in this but I'll give it a look next.

[Nogrod]

Shasta yesterDay...

Shasta:
#353
Opens with just ”Lovely” – after we had lost our seer.

#355
Durelin analysis – followed by a suggestion: Nogrod might be dreamt of hacker & Kitanna was a dreamt of innocent.

#358
Complains my use of the term “overdoing”.

#363, #365
Row with Eomer continues from yesterday.

#403
Complains people are thinking he’s pushing his interpretation of Dury’s dream on Kitanna on them.

#406
Explains why he posts a lot early (convenient timezones). Corrects Eönwë’s vote list.

#410
Gets ready to back off from “Dury dreamt of Kitanna” but reminds that doesn’t refute his “Dury dreamt of Nogrod”. Asks whether someone has refuted that “as well” (I see some irony here…).

#418
Comments on Eönwë’s suspicion list as being unimaginative…

#444 (twenty one minutes before the deadline)
“If it helps, Form, Nogrod is pinging my radar as well. :P I wouldn't be averse to voting him... if I didn't have to save myself.”

#449
Explains the selling of the car-thing again (yes, I asked…).

#465 (four minutes before the deadline)
Comments on Eönwë’s cry about a tie in voting: “Continuously stating the obvious is rarely endearing”. Greets PhantomAgan.

#472 (two minutes before)
“This speaks of oddness to me; When the possibility of a Form-wagon rears its ugly head, suddenly both Nogrod and Form become decisive.”

#473 (two minutes before)
Votes Form; “Oh heck... did I just create another tie?”

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A few thoughts.

I'll leave the Shasta - Eomer row for now.

He seems to be complaining and commenting a lot - especially to Eönwë. Also he explains his actions a lot.

Up to two minutes before deadline he hasn't suspected Form at all. Indeed he suggested Form he could join his possible Nogrod-wagon twenty minutes before the DL but that was his only mentioning of him.

Also, I'm a bit at loss with his point on post #472. Would you care to tell what you meant by that "becoming decisive"?

Gah. Some things really look suspicious, first and foremost the kind of a way he seems to wait for any decent opportunity to go for a target that could save Mith without looking too suspicious. I mean: he doesn't so much take part in the late discussion but rather throws in redundancies. Also he's very careful not to bring forwards any names he'd suspect (but me and that he does one time in the late discussion) like he was waiting for the "target of opportunity" - which he then finds in Form.

Okay. That's reading the data with a Devil's advocate -lens.

I'm not sure (well, when you can be in WW?), but I'd say he's topping my suspicion list at the moment. Although I'm afraid there are going to be a few others with him as well before the Day closes. There were such interesting things in the voting and I'd need to see the leads that voting might give me to say more of them.