Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[Nerwen]

Sorry... but this is weird because I had two minutes to go by Downs time when I started my post, and it only took a few seconds to type.

[Nogrod]

There is something really weird with the 'Downs clock... them being in different times it seems - or something.

But I died anyhow.

[Nerwen]

I don't think the clock updates until you refresh the page... but there still should have been time for my post. It might be my slow connection.

[Nogrod]

I have a pretty fast connection but it made the same trick to me...

EDIT: Sorry... let's continue this if we wish in the admin thread?

[Macalaure]

Unfortunately, there are again things that will keep both of us from delivering the narration right away. Please be lenient with us.

To satisfy your curiosity: Nogrod was an ordo.


And about the votes past the deadline, apart from Nerwen, you all didn't really have to vote that late, did you? So don't complain. ;)

I don't think the clock updates until you refresh the page
It doesn't. I keep on hitting "reload" again and again so that my deadline post is on time.

[Macalaure]

Long and toilsome was this stage of the adventurers journey, and long and toilsome was a sheerly endless debate between Nogrod and Durelin. Almost all the expedition was involved in it, but they were not able to come to a conclusion, and did not know which of them to lynch, or both, or none.

We are at an impasse. Durelin concluded.

I'm afraid so, Nogrod answered, there is now only one way left to settle this - a duel. But how could that be arranged? You are an archaeologist, used only to hard field work, while I am a philosopher confined to the study. I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.

You think you're that smart? Durelin remarked doubtfully.

Let me put it this way: have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?

Yes.

Morons.

Really? In that case, I challenge you to a battle of wits.

To the death? I accept.

Durelin already seemed to have something in mind: Good. Let us pour the some wine then. What I have here is called poison hemlock. An appropriate way for a philosopher to die by, isn't it?

Indeed, Nogrod agreed, but whether it will come that way shall be seen.

Please turn your head for a moment. Durelin asked and Nogrod did so. Durelin then poured the poison into the wine. All right: where is the hemlock? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right - and who is dead.

But it's so simple. Nogrod laughed. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of woman who would put the poison into her own goblet, or her enemy's?

Nogrod studied Durelin now.

Now, a clever woman would put the poison into her own goblet, because she would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

You've made your decision then?

Not remotely. Nogrod declined. Because hemlock comes from the East, as everyone knows. And the East is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. Durelin approved.

...but you must have suspected I would have known the hemlock's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. And I'm sure you're a wolf, so you must have killed Nilpaurion, which means you're exceptionally strong. So, you could have put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested Mith and Lalaith which means you must have studied. And in studying, you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

You're trying to trick me into giving away something - it won't work. Durelin said.

It has worked - you've given everything away - I know where the poison is. Nogrod replied triumphantly.

Then make your choice!

I will. And I choose... suddenly he stopped, and pointed at something behind Durelin ...what in the world can that be?

Durelin turned around. What? Where? I don't see anything. Quickly Nogrod switched the goblets while Durelin had her head turned.

Oh, well, I-I could have sworn I saw something. No matter. Let's drink - me from my glass, and you from yours.

Nogrod picked up his goblet and Durelin picked up the one in front of him. As they both started to drink, Nogrod hesitated a moment. He allowed Durelin to drink first, and then he swallowed his wine.

You guessed wrong. Durelin said. Nogrod roared with laughter. You only think I guessed wrong! I switched glasses when your back was turned. You fool. You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. "Never go in against a philosopher when death is on the line."

Nogrod laughed.. and roared.. and cackled..

..and fell over dead.

The company was speechless. At last, Nerwen spoke up: To think - all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.

Both cups were poisoned, Durelin said, I spent the last few years building up an immunity to poison hemlock.

Ah...

Then Durelin made herself ready for the night, ignoring the raised eyebrows around her. Nogrod, on the other hand, looked no less ordinary as before - just less alive.

*~*

Dead:
Macalaure and Rikae (mods) - killed by wolves and turned into faulty quenya in Night One
Kitanna (ordo) - lynched by a pointless mob on Day One
Lalaith (ordo) - severed from her chalk, and her head, in Night Two
Groin Redbeard (ordo) - died from exhaustion on Day Two
Gwathagor - (seer) turned into a talking corpse on Day Two
Mithalwen - (cobbler) made into a diverse set of items in Night Three
Feanor of the Peredhil - (ordo) visionary whose body was turned into abstract art on Day Three
Formendacil - (cobbler) killed by assassin in Night Four
Nilpaurion Felagund - (ordo) choked on his own tale in Night Four
Nogrod - (ordo) died in a battle of wits on Day Four

Alive:
Shastanis Althreduin - loner roane
Eönwë - seller of pointless fakes
Nerwen - treasure-seeker
Kath - unemployed bum
Durelin - eccentric, misanthropic archaeologist
Brinniel - junk collector
A Little Green - blind astronomer who sells stars at the stock exchange
the phantom - obtainer of rare antiquities
Thinlómien - marine zoologist

Night Five. You know what to do by now. ;)

[Macalaure]

Once more a member of the expedition was woken up untimely at night. The two ghastly figures approached the astronomer, A Little Green.

Little Gree-heen, oh Greeenie, Lily-mine. they tried to wake her with sweet voices, and Lily arose.

It cannot be time to get up yet.

But who decides when it is time to?

We get up at the same time every day: at the time our rangers regarded appropriate - when they were still with us, I mean.

And you don't think there is someone else who is entitled to?

A Little Green was staggered. Slowly she turned around to the wolves and faced them. The wolves had waited for this moment. They jumped at her, stopping right in front of her face, putting up fearsome grimaces and baring their blood-stained teeth.

...to no effect. Lily just reached out her arms and felt the werewolves' fur. It is not easy to scare a blind woman who sells stars for stock.

Whe shall put you to death gruesomely! We shall tear out your limbs and eviscerate your gut! We shall sever... why are you still not scared??

A Little Green wasn't scared at all. In fact, she smiled giddily, whispering This is so amazing! to herself.

Amazing?

Lily was overjoyed: You are doing so great! I always wanted to actually meet one of you, and now I'm here with you both, and you're even planning to kill me!

Oh, not again...

Are you going to eat me or are you going to turn me into a gory mess? Lily asked.

We're completely out of luck. Maybe we should just try someone else instead? one werewolf suggested.

They were just about to move away, when they overheard: Actually, I think I can tell who you are by your voices.

What? No, you can't!

I'm quite sure I can...

Keep your mouth shut!

I think you are...

But no further words could she utter, for with a fierce blow one werewolf slashed away her lower jaw. The other followed by biting both her ears off, to forever rid her of her enhanced hearing. Smiling grimly the wolves looked at their victim. Then one took Lily's arms and one her legs, and they pulled and split her in two.

Thus another cobbler found death by those they swore to protect.

*~*

Dead:
Macalaure and Rikae (mods) - killed by wolves and turned into faulty quenya in Night One
Kitanna (ordo) - lynched by a pointless mob on Day One
Lalaith (ordo) - severed from her chalk, and her head, in Night Two
Groin Redbeard (ordo) - died from exhaustion on Day Two
Gwathagor - (seer) turned into a talking corpse on Day Two
Mithalwen - (cobbler) made into a diverse set of items in Night Three
Feanor of the Peredhil - (ordo) visionary whose body was turned into abstract art on Day Three
Formendacil - (cobbler) killed by assassin in Night Four
Nilpaurion Felagund - (ordo) choked on his own tale in Night Four
Nogrod - (ordo) died in a battle of wits on Day Four
A Little Green - (cobbler) ripped in two in Night Five

Alive:
Shastanis Althreduin - loner roane
Eönwë - seller of pointless fakes
Nerwen - treasure-seeker
Kath - unemployed bum
Durelin - eccentric, misanthropic archaeologist
Brinniel - junk collector
the phantom - obtainer of rare antiquities
Thinlómien - marine zoologist

Day Five has started. The village may try its luck again.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The wolves seem to be doing our job for us... :rolleyes:

So what is the count now? One Cobbler, two Wolves, one Cobbler Assassin, five Ordos?

I was thinking Nog was a cobbler earlier, to myself. I was wrong, though.

Hmm.

[Thinlómien]

What the??? Greenie, Greenie was a cobbler? It occured to me she might have been a wolf, but a cobbler?
But hey great, they killed her. Some justice in this world. :D

But still, we'd better kill a wolf toDay because yesterDay was just one more disappointment. Why did the guy have to get so jumpy? My initial reaction when I heard his role was: "Okay, let's lynch Durelin now because she must be behind all this!" but I decided that isn't a very constructive approach. :p

Hmmm... anyway, I think toDay will be a sort of reconsidering Day for me. It looks like I've been wrong all the time. (Well, it kinda helps everybody else has been just as dumb. Or just more evil and laughing at us others. *sigh*) So, I'd better think carefully, especially as finding a wolf becomes more and more important Day by Day... (and not only for our sanity). If possible, I'm going to reread the whole village, because really, I have the feeling starting sort of anew could help...

edit: xed with Shasta

[Durelin]

Well, I must admit I have been a great help to the baddies this game, but I haven't meant to be. I feel extremely stupid...

I would not blame anyone for lynching me toDay, except for the actual wolves because they know what they're doing... Basically the only way I can try and convince of my innocence that I've thought of is this: if I was actually a wolf, why would I have bothered going after Nogrod so much, especially once it started drawing a great deal of attention to me? But if I was actually a cobbler (I'm going to sound like phantom here), there's a good possibility the cobbler assassin chose me last night or even earlier, if they chose someone that people have been mentioned 'looks like a cobbler'. And I'm not dead. Rather wish the wolves had been nice and taken me out last night, but it's better that they killed another one of their cobblers.

So anyway, that will be my only *defense* toDay. I'll try and do more productive stuff. I've been all wrong, though, so...

Anyway, Brinn and Nerwen have gone through the game practically unnoticed. phantom has avoided both lynching and death through the game.

I've felt Lommy is innocent this entire game...maybe that's my problem?

Yeah, I'm rather surprised that Greenie was a cobbler, too...

Why did the guy have to get so jumpy?

I was trying to get reactions from him near the end there and they did make me feel better about my suspicion of him, but I am still sooooo far off.

If Nog had actaully been a wolf I was going to be going after Brinn and I still find her standing out in my mind a lot even though it's probably a bad idea to focus on someone who I tried to connect to someone I was completely wrong about...

Argh.

[the phantom]

I would not blame anyone for lynching me toDay
I don't plan on it. Neither you nor Nog was my highest suspect, and as time wore down yesterday I began to feel that it was one of those typical Ordo-on-Ordo lynch fests.

I'm planning on putting my attention elsewhere today.

And didn't I say from the beginning that the Cobblers would die off whether we were successful or not? Four incorrect lynches and we've still managed to cut the bad guys in half. And with a lynch today, a WW kill tonight, and a likely Assassin hunt tonight we stand an excellent chance of being rid of the final Cobbler.

So as far as your Cobbler suspects- forget them! Just worry about the Wolves.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

So as far as your Cobbler suspects- forget them! Just worry about the Wolves.

Now can we kill him? Please please please?

[the phantom]

You realize that if you want to get me lynched you might want to actually make an argument that holds water at some point. If you are an Ordo then you might want to reconsider your methods a bit. Making sense and being reasonable would be an excellent start.

Of course on the other hand I probably have you to thank for the fact that I am still alive. With your endless pursuit of me and my obvious annoyance the WWs are likely banking that eventually one of us will lynch the other. How does it feel to be used, Shasta?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You realize that if you want to get me lynched you might want to actually make an argument that holds water at some point. If you are an Ordo then you might want to reconsider your methods a bit. Making sense and being reasonable would be an excellent start.

Of course on the other hand I probably have you to thank for the fact that I am still alive. With your endless pursuit of me and my obvious annoyance the WWs are likely banking that eventually one of us will lynch the other. How does it feel to be used, Shasta?

I'm flying mostly by instinct at the moment, and I tend to think that anyone who tries to tell me what and how to think must be evil.

[the phantom]

I tend to think that anyone who tries to tell me what and how to think must be evil.
Well, then I must've been super darn evil last time when I was the Good Wizard. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

I'd like to point something out to the rest of the village.

Shasta has made 42 posts. More than every one of you.

During those 42 posts he has not given ONE single opinion about ANY of you.

That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?

[Kath]

I don't have much to say right now as I'm falling asleep but I'm beginning to think that I should start voting against my own suspicions as they're clearly so utterly wrong. That said, Greenie had gone unnoticed by me and turned out to be evil, so I'm thinking of looking at who I haven't really paid much attention to and actually doing so. This new way of playing is fun but it's not actuall doing anyone any good so maybe I'll go back to the old way for a Day and try to be of some real help.

[Nerwen]

Four incorrect lynches and we've still managed to cut the bad guys in half.

Excuse me... "We"? Look who's killed most of the cobblers!

So as far as your Cobbler suspects- forget them! Just worry about the Wolves.

Or– as I said on Day One– let's just go for people who look suspicious. We don't seem to be very good at telling wolves from cobblers in this game anyway.

[the phantom]

Excuse me... "We"? Look who's killed most of the cobblers!
Well okay, if you want to get into semantics then yes, the WWs and the Assassin have made the kills. But seeing as the WWs and Assassin are all still with us, and are members of this village, "we" seems to be an appropriate word. Plus there is the fact that kill choices of WWs are always dictated by the behaviors of the villagers, as are the picks of the Assassin, and thus we share in the production of those deaths.

[Nerwen]

I am just saying... our lynching record is nothing to get complacent about, to say the least.

[Brinniel]

Greenie as a cobbler...well it's a bit of a surprise, but I'm quite relieved...especially that it was the wolves who killed her, which therefore has kept our numbers up. I was worried we would start out toDay with half of us being evil, but luckily that's not the case...but I'm still definitely worried that we haven't yet lynched a wolf, and it's really important that we get this right toDay.

Basically the only way I can try and convince of my innocence that I've thought of is this: if I was actually a wolf, why would I have bothered going after Nogrod so much, especially once it started drawing a great deal of attention to me? But if I was actually a cobbler (I'm going to sound like phantom here), there's a good possibility the cobbler assassin chose me last night or even earlier, if they chose someone that people have been mentioned 'looks like a cobbler'. And I'm not dead. Rather wish the wolves had been nice and taken me out last night, but it's better that they killed another one of their cobblers.
Yeah, I was thinking something similar to that. I seriously half expected to come here toDay and find you had been killed by the assassin...but that's not the case. But I still won't eliminate the possibility that you could be a cobbler...after all, Formy wasn't killed right away. As for being a wolf...I'm pretty torn. It does seem rather bold for a wolf to so strongly attack an ordo. Usually wolves aren't so clear in their suspicions...but not always, as I can recall it's happened before. And of course, it would be easy for a wolf to use the "I wouldn't do that" excuse and play the "sorry I'm such a misguided ordo" card. But is that something Durelin would do? I don't know.

Conclusion: While we should definitely not spend our entire Day focusing on Durelin, we shouldn't eliminate her from being a possible wolf either.

Shasta has made 42 posts. More than every one of you.

During those 42 posts he has not given ONE single opinion about ANY of you.

That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?
I've sort of accepted that it's just his style...though a more recent style. Ever since the DW game, Shasta has made hordes of short, chatty posts and in the previous two games he was not a wolf. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't be a wolf this time around...but I wouldn't base suspicions simply on the way he's posting. However, I do agree that I would like to see Shasta share some more opinions about other players.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?

By mimicking you. :p I can't remember (though I've slept since then and this is not meant to be a snarky remark; when I snark, you'll know it!) the last time you gave a clear, concise opinion on anything. Your style is more "gather what everyone else thinks and make vague statements about your thoughts".

And Brinn: Well, I have a little bit of time right now. I suppose your wish is my command, :p.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, then I must've been super darn evil last time when I was the Good Wizard. :rolleyes:

Well at least you admit to being controlling. :)

What Shasta thinks:

Phantom has graduated from Cobbler to Wolf.

Kath seems off to me... I'm not sure I'd lycanize her, but she could easily be a shoemaker.

Dury's pre-defense today strikes me as odd. I'd be more suspicious of her if I didn't think her battle with Nog yesterday looked very ordo vs. ordo.

Brinn seems fine to me, I don't really see anything wrong with her.

Nerwen: See Brinn. She's higher than Brinn on my suspicion list, but that is a pure gut feeling based on nothing at all. *shrug*

Lommy - Is she still alive? It took me a moment to remember to add her here... which means she's under my radar, at least.

And anyone else I haven't mentioned is VERY under my radar if I don't even remember that they're playing.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I suppose that would be Eonwe.

Hmm.

Ping, ping, ping.

That's my radar, folks. Gut feeling at the moment is that he's bad, but I have nothing to back it up at this point in time.

My list for lynching priority is probably, from top to bottom:

1. Phantom
2. Kath
3. Eonwe
4. Durelin
5. Lommy
6. Nerwen
7. Brinniel

[the phantom]

So, it seems that pretty much everyone was surprised that Green was a Cobbler. I tend to agree.

She sure didn't seem like someone with a deathwish. But rather she was flying under the radar and I guess hoping she'd make it to the end for the glorious self-vote-clinch.

So, any theories on why the WWs bumped off Green? I'm going to look through her posts from yesterday here in a minute.

[Nerwen]

Shasta, how did Eönwë jump to third place in your lynch list? In your previous post you'd forgotten he was playing!

EDIT: X'd with tp.

[the phantom]

Ah, so finally on the fifth day of this thing, after being criticized for it, Shasta has finally acknowledged that there are other villagers living here. :rolleyes:
I've sort of accepted that it's just his style.
So it's his typical thing to go several days pretending that most everyone doesn't exist? That seems tough to swallow. I mean- when someone never talks to you, gives an opinion on you, or even mentions you, it's easy for them to stay off of your radar. It's way too fishy for my liking.
Well at least you admit to being controlling.
Yes, I do admit to it. I make suggestions as to how things should be played and I recommend certain courses of action. That's what I do. It's proven extremely useful to multiple villages in the past, so you'll just have to deal with it.

But in this village I can't help but think that I haven't been quite as useful due to me having to waste my time with you. I so very much would like to lynch you for it, and yet I can't help but think that is exactly what you want- to buy the WWs a free pass.

But of course if I let you off the hook assuming you're a Cobbler and you turn out to be a WW and win the game, my head will literally explode.

I'm reading over some of your posts and you are just hysterical.
We all saw last game how dangerous it can be to narrow our focus on one person
by pulling all attention, all the time, to himself, he's letting the wolves slide by quite nicely
You are just a riot, man. You accuse me of hogging the attention and focus, when it has been completely you and only you who has been totally fixated on me day after day and completely ignoring everyone else in the village.

And I love how you admit that you have absolutely nothing to back up your accusations.

No, no- I do not think Shasta is a friend. Not by a long shot.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I don't see anyone else challenging you. At all. I love how you're criticizing me for focusing on you when as you've said I'm the only one who is. :) If you win this game as a wolf, my head will explode.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

In fact, Phantom, you're a lot more jumpy today than usual. Feeling the strain of having accidentally hit another Cobbler, leaving you with one?

[Nerwen]

It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?

[the phantom]

I'm not criticizing you for the attention you've given to me, I'm criticizing your, in my mind, rather suspicious methods. If you'll look back at yesterday you will see that I didn't mind Kath's attack on me at all, because of the way in which she did it, and because it appeared to me that she actually took the time to read and think about my response.

And no, I'm not jumpy. Merely annoyed and convinced. If you want to see me jumpy then you'll have to go read WW III.

And there is no danger of your head exploding, Shasta. Though I suspect that you already know that.
It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?
Gah! She's onto us. Run!

[the phantom]

Well, since there's not much going on now I might as well head off to bed and look for some action in the morning.

*yawn*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm not criticizing you for the attention you've given to me, I'm criticizing your, in my mind, rather suspicious methods. If you'll look back at yesterday you will see that I didn't mind Kath's attack on me at all, because of the way in which she did it, and because it appeared to me that she actually took the time to read and think about my response.

And no, I'm not jumpy. Merely annoyed and convinced. If you want to see me jumpy then you'll have to go read WW III.

And there is no danger of your head exploding, Shasta. Though I suspect that you already know that.

Gah! She's onto us. Run!

So.... you're convinced that I'm evil and I'm convinced that you're evil.

How exactly is this different from... Day 2? :p

[Brinniel]

It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?
Hey...you stole the words right from my mouth. :D

[Brinniel]

Eönwë - While I've been thinking he seems pretty innocent, I'm starting to get a bit worried for the mere fact that the wolves haven't killed him yet. I mean, a lot of players have disregarded him...so why wouldn't they pick him? To confuse us? Or maybe he is a wolf...

Nerwen - She feels pretty innocent to me, but the problem is she keeps slipping under my radar. Perhaps I should look at her more closely.

Kath - I thought she seemed cobblerish, but that possibilty was discussed Days ago and she hasn't been killed by the assassin...so perhaps she's just innocent. I still feel doubtful that she's a wolf, but I don't want to eliminate the possibility in case I'm wrong.

Durelin - Cobbler or wolf? Innocent or evil? I don't know...she's confusing me. But I don't like the apologetic tone she's had recently.

the phantom - I think I can eliminate the possibility that he's a cobbler as I really think the assassin would've targeted him by now. But is he a wolf? I think I mentioned before that tp is one of few capable of being a bold wolf and successfully get away with it. The problem is he's such a mystery and if innocent, the wolves will keep him alive as long as possible because he baffles us so. But of course, I don't want to lynch tp just because he's a big mystery, that'd be silly. I just need to get a better read on him.

Shastanis Althreduin - Still a question mark to me, but I still don't see anything overly suspicious. But what if he and tp were wolves? Like I said, Nerwen completely read my mind. Actually, the thought came up when tp said he wouldn't bother voting Shasta because he thinks him a cobbler...easy excuse for a wolf. But would a Shasta-wolf so boldly attack his fellow wolf? Not so sure about that...unless tp instructed him to (and we all know how bossy he can be ;) ). Hmm...it's a possibility, but not something I'm willing to bet my money on...

Thinlómien - Keeps sliding under my radar. Seriously. Every Day I keep worrying that she looks a bit furry, but then when the final moments come I always toss her aside and look at other candidates. So perhaps I need to watch her more closely.

So there it is. Basically everyone is just a big question mark to me. Though I think that's partly because the stakes are now high and I don't want to eliminate anyone in case they might be a wolf.

Btw, I suggest we vote a bit earlier toDay. That doesn't mean it has to be super early, but perhaps this time everyone should vote before the actual deadline.. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Shasta has made 42 posts. More than every one of you.
During those 42 posts he has not given ONE single opinion about ANY of you.
That has got to be the most suspicious thing I've ever seen. How can you have the second most posts of any living player and totally avoid giving opinions?I kind of noticed that, but didn't pay attention to it until now. I think it indeed is rather suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's wolvish. More cobblerish, maybe. Shasta would be a very bold wolf to play like that... but a smart one, clearly.

This new way of playing is fun but it's not actuall doing anyone any good so maybe I'll go back to the old way for a Day and try to be of some real help.The way Kath makes a "show" of her new playing style makes me wonder... looks like someone not innocent throwing excuses around...

Excuse me... "We"? Look who's killed most of the cobblers!Oh, hilarious, maybe we should be grateful to the wolves for eliminating cobblers? :D See, wolves, unlike normally, we actually like you because you have killed two cobblers for us. :Merisu:

Or– as I said on Day One– let's just go for people who look suspicious. We don't seem to be very good at telling wolves from cobblers in this game anyway.Yeah... and after all this stuff I wouldn't be surprised to find wolves who are trying to look like cobblers and cobblers who are trying to look like wolves... So maybe we indeed should just concentrate on suspicious people in general...

As for being a wolf...I'm pretty torn. It does seem rather bold for a wolf to so strongly attack an ordo. Usually wolves aren't so clear in their suspicions...but not always, as I can recall it's happened before. And of course, it would be easy for a wolf to use the "I wouldn't do that" excuse and play the "sorry I'm such a misguided ordo" card. But is that something Durelin would do? I don't know.I think she is well capable of that.

It would be funny if these two were our wolves, wouldn't it?I could picture that... and I'd be really banging my head against the wall or something.

Eönwë - While I've been thinking he seems pretty innocent, I'm starting to get a bit worried for the mere fact that the wolves haven't killed him yet. I mean, a lot of players have disregarded him...so why wouldn't they pick him? To confuse us? Or maybe he is a wolf...Too true... and he has managed to slip under the radar rather marvellously as well...

By the way, I find it hilarious that a couple of people have said I've slipped under their radar. That really doesn't happen often. Should I be glad now? :smokin:

Btw, I suggest we vote a bit earlier toDay. That doesn't mean it has to be super early, but perhaps this time everyone should vote before the actual deadline..Agreed...

[Eönwë]

Ok, here's my world-famous (well, I might be slightly exaggerating) Eönwë-table, with a bit of Noggishness (the underlining):



Day 1:

Lommy: Nogrod [ordo] (1)
Shasta: Kitanna [ordo] (1)
Gwath [seer]: Kitanna [ordo] (2)
Greenie [cobbler]: Gwath [seer] (1)
Durelin: Gwath [seer](2)
Mith [cobbler]: Kitanna [ordo] (3)
Nilp [ordo]: Kitanna [ordo] (4)
Lalaith [ordo]: Ye phantome (1)
Nogrod [ordo]: Groin [ordo] (1)
Brinn: Greenie [cobbler](1)
*Nerwen: Kitanna [ordo] (5)
*+Ye phantome: Lalaith [ordo] (1)
*Eönwë: Greenie [cobbler] (2)

Lynched: Kitanna [ordo]

Night 2:

Killed: Lalaith [ordo]
Assassinated: -

Day 2:

Shasta: Ye phantome (1)
Form [cobbler]: Ye phantome (2)
Fea [ordo]: Shasta (1)
Nilp [ordo]: Gwath [seer] (1)
Kath: Lommy (1)
Durelin: Nogrod [ordo] (1)
Eönwë: Gwath [seer] (2)
Greenie [cobbler]: Gwath [seer] (3) <2>
Mith [cobbler]: Lommy (2)
Ye phantome: Gwath [seer](4)
Brinn: Durelin (1)
Nerwen: Lommy (3)
(+?)Nogrod [ordo]: Durelin (2)

Lynched: Gwath [seer]

Night 3:

Killed: Mith [cobbler]
Assassinated: -

Day 3:
Greenie [cobbler]: Form [cobbler] (1)
Durelin: Fea [ordo] (1)
Brinn: Fea [ordo] (2)
Shasta: Form [cobbler] (2)
Lommy: Fea [ordo] (3)
Nogrod [ordo]: Fea [ordo] (4)
Ye phantome: Form [cobbler] (3)

Night 4:

Killed: Nilp [ordo]
Assassinated: Form [cobbler]

Day 4:

Shasta: Ye phantome <2>
Durelin: Nogrod [ordo] <2>
Kath: Nogrod [ordo] (2)
Greenie [cobbler]: Shasta
Brinn: Durelin <2>
Eönwë: Nogrod [ordo] (3)
*Nogrod[ordo]: Durelin (2) <2>
*Lommy: Nogrod [ordo] (4) <2>
*Ye phantome: Durelin (3)

Night 5:

Killed: Greenie [cobbler]
Assassinated: -




*= vote didn't count
+= thought/ knew vote didn't count
()= total votes for person that day so far
<>= total votes for person from an individual so far
[]= known status/ postion e.g. ordo

[Nerwen]

Thanks, Eönwë!

Yeah... and after all this stuff I wouldn't be surprised to find wolves who are trying to look like cobblers and cobblers who are trying to look like wolves...

Don't forget gifteds trying to look like cobblers and/or wolves.:rolleyes: I suppose that's what did for Gwath... However, even if we end up getting the assassin by accident, we've still got the wolves to kill cobblers for us.:D

I did like the latest narration:

Lily was overjoyed: You are doing so great! I always wanted to actually meet one of you, and now I'm here with you both, and you're even planning to kill me!

Oh, not again...

[Nerwen]

A Little Green's last words.

Day 4.

#454. Explains why she hadn't posted earlier. Says the Nog-Dury affair is weird. Says she would rather think about possible wolves, one of whom she is sure is keeping a low profile Says most of the votes on the previous Day could have been evil.

#456. Makes a list:
The villagers.

Shasta - I still don't have a read on him. His theories do seem quite far-fetched but I don't know whether it's to be read as wolvery or cobblery or innocence.
Eönwë - I think he might well be an under-the-radar wolf. Then again, I can't be sure of him since I remember very little of what he has said. I should have a look at him and will if I have the time.
Nerwen - I still categorise her as innocentish because she seems as much.
Kath - The consensus seems to be that she's a cobbler. I think she isn't. I think the cobbler assassin might have checked her the night people expected him/her to take Form. Or am I mixing the days up? I'm really too lazy and tired to check...
Dury - Feels innocent, though not as much as before. She might be a cobbler, but I don't think she is a wolf.
Brinn - Under my reindeer, my first impression is a vague "she usually makes sense". Should have a look on her, though..
Nog - He could be anything. No idea.
Greenie - Me!! (Woo hoo.) I'm no wolf. Nor a cobbler, for that matter. Definitely not.
the phantom - YesterDay I was pretty sure he was just a bored innocent. ToDay I have the feeling that he might well be a wolf...
Lommy - I never suspect her. Never. My gut says once again that she is innocent but maybe I should check her. Gah. Too lazy.

So who, then, could be the wolves? Eönwë and phantom? Or maybe cuddly little Lommy? Brinn? Nog? Shasta? I'm too confused. Don't know...

#463. Says Phantom-Shasta debate is silly. Says Shasta's reasoning is weird, but so is the phantom's.

#461. Says she's too tried to make an analysis.

#470. Says we shouldn't concentrate on Nogrod and Durelin so much. Thinks Brinn's last post (#468, making points against Durelin) sounds a bit wolvish.

#474. Says Nogrod's last post sounded "very wolvish". (#471, where he says he has "a bad feeling" that the people who had already voted against him– Durelin and Kath– were evil.)

#475. Votes Shasta!! Explains the surprise vote as being because Shasta is "under the radar" (????) That's such a strange comment I can't understand how none of us picked it up. (Ah, 20-20 hindsight!)

Comments: tries hard to play down both the phantom-Shasta brawl, and the Nogrod-Durelin one, and looks for an alternative lynching candidate. Clearly, she thought she had allies among the combatants. It looks as if Durelin was her guess for the most likely wolf/cobbler and Shasta the least... although just before voting she thought it was Nogrod... I suppose she looked at the case she'd made against him, realised she might be right, and panicked.

She didn't go after anyone strongly or consistantly, so I think it's unlikely she was killed for being dangerous, or to frame anyone.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

[Nerwen]

No-one around?

Well, I have to vote early, so–

++SHASTA.

He's more likely a cobbler than a wolf, but still...

[Durelin]

unless tp instructed him to (and we all know how bossy he can be

I don't think Shasta would take to that...

Alright, I'm tired and grumpy and my roommate's incessant humming is driving me crazy and I have to leave for class in about an hour. Sooooo, no more apologizing and probably no inspired arguments from me.

I am just saying... our lynching record is nothing to get complacent about, to say the least.

I'm getting rather fed up with these sorts of comments from Nerwen...

I actually am finding Nerwen and Brinniel the most suspicious right now because they seem the least caught up in the insanity, which could be from having a better idea what's going on and having a particular purpose.

Lommy could fit that, too, but for some reason I just can't feel like she's evil. Yergh.

Maybe I should just vote for Shasta...but he amuses me...

I don't know why I'm not suspicious of Kath anymore. Don't know why I'm not suspicious of the phantom. And Eonwe's just... *shrug*

Yep, best I got. Oh well. Though I'm feeling more my usual self now - was feeling more emotionally connected with the game than usual for a bit there.

[Durelin]

++Brinniel

She just seems to have been in such a good position all game, voting-wise and everything... *shrugs* Really need to run.

[the phantom]

Actually, the thought came up when tp said he wouldn't bother voting Shasta because he thinks him a cobbler...easy excuse for a wolf. But would a Shasta-wolf so boldly attack his fellow wolf?
Gah, don't say that Brin. It makes me feel like you're trying to get me to run ahead and vote Shasta, because if I don't then of course we are the two WWs doing a bold ploy. It's sort of similar to something I did back in the day to Ang- goading him into his vote.

Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't suspect you for it, but I'm starting to get paranoid. I figure the reason why I'm alive is because the WWs think I'll be useful, which makes me rather ticked. So I feel I should suspect the people I haven't been suspecting. Or perhaps that is what they're counting on and so I should continue on as I have. Or perhaps they just feel I'm lynchable. Gah!
I'm getting rather fed up with these sorts of comments from Nerwen...
You mean like the other day "Let's try and lynch a baddie" or something like that? Yeah, I know what you mean. Does anyone know if Nerwen regularly makes comments like that?
He's more likely a cobbler than a wolf, but still...
See, and that is why I'm so reluctant to vote for him. If he turns out to be the Cobbler and I vote to lynch him, then guess what- he wins! He got what he wanted.

[Thinlómien]

Reread - comments about previous Days

- phantom - Oh, who am I kidding? I'm just here for adventure and loot.
A cobbler hint?

- Durelin - Don't trust me to discern the good from the bad, I'm only used to working with really dead people and their stuff.
A cobbler hint?

- Eönwë has been concentrating at the number of posts from the very beginning. I find that weird. In truth, I find it c-o-b-b-l-e-r-i-s-h, fo a change. *:rolleyes: at self*

- Eönwë's flip-flopping about the Kitanna-lynch looks like indecisive wolvishness...

- Shasta looks suspicious to me because he was so happy to lynch Kit. I still think it was a very stupid and a very suspicious idea.

- The way tp muses about Groin not getting killed on Night2 sounds innocent.

- Something funny in Nerwen's and tp's exchanges on Day2, they look slightly fellowish.

- I don't know what to make of Eönwë's ubiquitous vote tables. They make me feel he's trying to look more helpful than he actually is, which is slightly eyebrow-raising...

- Durelin looks pretty innocent, after all. Or maybe she's a cobbler. But she doesn't look very wolvish...

- Brinn could really be anything. Anything. *sigh*

- Phantom looks rather innocent because of #295. Would he make up an imaginary ploy he pretends to believe in? It's a bit too complicated, but one has to remember it's tp who's in question now...

- I'm wondering if tp has realised he sometimes annoys people with his arrogance and has thus lessened it a little (wouldn't be that characteristic of him, would it?), or whether it's indeed so that he has been trying to be nice to people because he's a wolf...? Argh. He's smoothness/niceness does make me suspect him.

- Kath looks cobblerish, could be an under-the-radar wolf but feels occasionally really sincere.

- Eönwë's statements like: And by the way, phantom, just so you know- I don't suspect you, it was just an idea. make me raise my eyebrows. Looks like a newbieish wolf.

- Nerwen sounds sincere enough.

- Somehow, Kath's vote for Nogrod yesterDay looks quite fishy, or I get a fishy feeling of it.


That's it, sorry for the messiness but I was taking notes as I read and can't think of a smart way of rearranging it... In total:

innocentish
Durelin
Nerwen

in the middle
Kath
Brinniel

suspicious-ish
Shasta
the phantom
Eönwë


BUT. I could really vote anyone. I don't know, I just have the feeling that I need some extra evidence before I can vote, and I'm waiting for it. Because I'm really actually suspecting everyone in a way or another. (I'm not sure if the reread was a good idea... :rolleyes::D)

[the phantom]

Ah, it's glad to see that somebody else did a reread and gained nothing from it. :D
I'm wondering if tp has realised he sometimes annoys people with his arrogance and has thus lessened it a little (wouldn't be that characteristic of him, would it?), or whether it's indeed so that he has been trying to be nice to people because he's a wolf...? Argh. He's smoothness/niceness does make me suspect him.
The problem is you are comparing my behavior to my last game.

I was the Good Wizard in the last game.

I was invincible.

Because of that I was less nice and such to people. I had it in my plans that game that I might purposefully get myself lynched in order to preserve population in the early stages seeing as I felt no need to hide my identity for very long.

I was on a major power trip and was giddy with the idea that I could say and do anything I wanted and nobody could do anything about it. You tend to act much differently when you are unkillable. ;)

[Thinlómien]

While I get your point about you being the GW last game, I still think you've been a bit nicer than you usually are... :p (And even though there's a smiley, I'm serious. It could be of course that I'm imagining things, but I think you tend to be nastier and even slightly more arrogant. Also, you've been treating us others - or at least some of us *coughShastacough* - like a patient big brother would treat a silly younger sibling. While that attitude is not suspicious per se, it would be a very nice cover for a wolf. Or a cobbler.)

Ah, it's glad to see that somebody else did a reread and gained nothing from it. Oh, thank you. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

but I think you tend to be nastier and even slightly more arrogant
Well, thanks a lot. You've made me feel really great. :rolleyes:

But seriously, I still think you have my previous game too much in mind. I haven't been an Ordo for over a year. And my last game before that was in 2006. Unless you are remembering all the way back to WW IV where I was an "arrogant healer" and played rather in character.
you've been treating us others - or at least some of us *coughShastacough* - like a patient big brother would treat a silly younger sibling
Yes, because there have been times where I've started thinking that perhaps the entire reason the two of us have been kept alive is so that we'll turn this thing into a two-horse race where neither is a WW.

And I wouldn't know about the sibling thing. Only child.

And speaking of siblings, have you ever had an argument with your sister? Gotten angry with her? So angry that maybe you wanted to hurt her? Kill her, perhaps?

:p

[Brinniel]

Sorry, I know I probably shouldn't suspect you for it, but I'm starting to get paranoid. I figure the reason why I'm alive is because the WWs think I'll be useful, which makes me rather ticked. So I feel I should suspect the people I haven't been suspecting. Or perhaps that is what they're counting on and so I should continue on as I have. Or perhaps they just feel I'm lynchable. Gah!
Well like I said, I think you're still alive to leave the rest of us baffled. You're not the type to slip under the radar...and if the wolves killed you, it'd be like answering a big mystery for us. That is, if you're not a wolf yourself. Anyways, I'm paranoid too. The minute I start to feel comfortable with what someone says, I take a big step backwards...because at this stage of the game, I don't think I can trust anyone.

Btw, here's something to consider: If one of our wolves happen to be a less active player or not so consistent with voting...like Kath, Eonwe, and Nerwen....then I think there's a good chance the second wolf would be a more active player. Because even with all the cobblers around, surely at least one wolf would want to have influence on the voting. Just a thought.

[Brinniel]

And I wouldn't know about the sibling thing. Only child.

Ah, well that explains everything. :D

[Kath]

I'm very sorry, I intended to be around for much more of the Day but it ran away from me and now I have to go fetch my sister from karate in about 10 minutes and will therefore miss the deadline.

But, now, I'm going to concentrate here and try to really work out what I'm feeling about each person. Not based on specific quotes or anything but just what I've got from seeing their posts as I read through.

Shasta - well I can sort of see phantom's point about him not really ... being there I suppose. I mean there are plenty of posts but not much if the way of things that drag him into the limelight, at least apart from his battle with phantom. However, the fact that he is at least consistent with that suspicion makes me feel more secure with him. Or at least it would if that wasn't a trick I've employed on more than one occasion.

Eonwe - I just don't know. I can't, it's like, I mean I have paid attention to him and I've read his posts and on occasion I've thought 'hmm, good point' but he's a master at flying under the radar.

Nerwen - the fact that I have little opinion on her is what worries me the most here. Nerwen quiet? I don't believe it. I'm beginning to think though that we have quiet wolves. I mean why not? If you know the Cobblers are in the village taking the suspicion for you. I have a feeling though that some of that is RL-related, plus she was her normal argumentative self toDay.

Durelin - did come over as a very frustrated innocent, but there was a post by here early today, basically a 'this is why I'm not evil' post and the end of that really caught my attention and suspicion. A pre-defence wasn't necessary, no one has put any real pressure on her, so I wasn't keen on that.

Brinn - ah Brinn! What to do here? I read one post and think she's innocent, I read another and think she's guilty as hell. And I can't decide which. It makes me think she might be Cobbler rather than wolf but it does make me think she's evil.

phantom - he's evil damn it! Except of course that he's probably not. It's a terrible thing to admit to but I would quite happily lynch him for the pleasure of ridding myself of the unsurety. I'm still thinking over that point he made about Mith. The problem is that while it makes perfect sense I still believe him capable of finding a way around it.

Lommy - again comes across wrong somehow. Though I'm really not sure about this one as I don't know where that feeling has come from. I would have to take a proper look at her I think. Hmm actually I know what it is, she hasn't really come to a conclusion on anyone. I'm not sure it's doing us much good coming to a consensus as we've not managed to lynch a baddie yet, but she's just refusing to commit. Except for Nerwen - interesting that as there's no reasoning.

Hmm, so right now I think I'd want to lynch everyone. :rolleyes: Mostly I want to lynch phantom but I sincerely doubt I'm going to get any support there as it is an entirely unfounded suspicion. Behind that it's a fair tie between Lommy, Nerwen and Brinn.

++LOMMY

Because this isn't the first time this game she's popped up as suspicious to me. Maybe I should stick with my early suspicions. We'll see.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I don't think Shasta would take to that...


I wouldn't, and thank you for mentioning it so I don't have to. :p

Auditions soon! Must vote now.

++Phantom

Edit: X'd with Nerwen. Awww... :(

[Thinlómien]

Well, thanks a lot. You've made me feel really great.You're welcome... (Hey Shasta, if you wanna fight with tp, I think I just found the perfect way to do it... ;) Not that I would really recommend insulting people, though.)

But seriously, I still think you have my previous game too much in mind. I haven't been an Ordo for over a year. And my last game before that was in 2006. Unless you are remembering all the way back to WW IV where I was an "arrogant healer" and played rather in character.Ha, I didn't even play ww back then. So either you have a point or it's just your 'downs behaviour in general. (A secret to the masses: I've occasionally talked with him in MSN and he's really much nicer than he pretends to be. ;))

Yes, because there have been times where I've started thinking that perhaps the entire reason the two of us have been kept alive is so that we'll turn this thing into a two-horse race where neither is a WW.Weird. Maybe that makes sense. Maybe not. I mean, I haven't felt like I've been kept alive. I just have felt I haven't done anything to be an attracting kill. Okay, people don't suspect me that much etc, but maybe I look like a cobbler. Or maybe I'm so wrong about things that there's no danger in having me around. Or maybe indeed it's some dark scheme. Which actually makes me think that you are a wolf who's keeping me - and maybe Nerwen too - alive just in order not to be the only high profile player here... (Even though, last time a couple of "high profile" - I hate that term really - people were kept around till the end even though they weren't suspected that much, it had nothing to do with plotting among themselves.)

And speaking of siblings, have you ever had an argument with your sister? Gotten angry with her? So angry that maybe you wanted to hurt her? Kill her, perhaps?If our dad wasn't dead (convenient, eh? ;)) he could tell you we never quarrell properly...

Are we the only ones around, by the way? It's half an hour til the deadline...


edit: xed with three people that proved my last sentence wrong... phew

[the phantom]

And I wouldn't know about the sibling thing. Only child.
Ah, well that explains everything. :D
Why does everyone say that?! Heh heh.

Ah well, Shasta did the expected thing.

If we both turn out to be Ordos then we were played like violins. Though I suspect him of Cobblery much more than being an Ordo. Wolf- I suppose it's possible. I'm not familiar enough with him to know how bold he is.

[the phantom]

Ner for Shasta (1)
Dur for Brin (1)
Kath for Lommy (1)
Shasta for Phantom (1)

Stil to vote- Lommy, Brin, Phantom, and Eonwe.

[Brinniel]

I still suspect Durelin a lot, but I'm thinking she's more likely a cobbler than wolf. Though I'll most likely change my mind on that if she's still alive toMorrow.

Four votes so far and all for different people. Obviously I won't vote for myself, but should I vote for one of the other three? I don't want to spread out the voting too much...but what are the chances that at least one of those three already voted for are wolves?

[the phantom]

And where is Eonwe? Surely the vote table isn't going to be all we hear from him today.

[Thinlómien]

And where is Eonwe? Surely the vote table isn't going to be all we hear from him today.Yeah... and I would kind of like to vote him, because currently I really feel he could be a sly newbie wolf... But I wouldn't really like to vote him if he doesn't post anything else and besides, the vote is rather spread now... I could vote any of Brinn, Shasta and tp really, I'm just way too baffled. I'd probably be most comfortable with voting Shasta, but then again, I really don't know. *sigh* But I will vote just to save myself if I need to do so. I'm the only one whose innocence I'm sure of. :rolleyes: (Actually, I'm kind of hoping I would have to do that... I would be spared from the thinking... :rolleyes:)

[the phantom]

Well, with three of the remaining four voters having already received a vote, this just screams last-minute-flurry. For it is the final person to reach the tally that is lynched I believe. Yay for last minute flurries! :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

I, too, would be most comfortable voting Shasta, in the sense that I can't possibly believe he is the Assassin, and I think he is the most likely to have evil intent. The only thing holding me back is the fact that if he turns out to be a Cobbler we have essentially given him what he wants by lynching him.

Am I making this too personal? Being unwilling to vote for someone because I don't want that individual to be able to claim a victory?

[Thinlómien]

Maybe we three should just prevent the last-minute flurry by making a pact that we all vote Shasta? ;) :rolleyes:

edit: xed with the phantom - now :eek: I'm laughing, though

[Thinlómien]

I could agree with this though:
I, too, would be most comfortable voting Shasta, in the sense that I can't possibly believe he is the Assassin, and I think he is the most likely to have evil intent. The only thing holding me back is the fact that if he turns out to be a Cobbler we have essentially given him what he wants by lynching him.

[Brinniel]

Yay for last minute flurries!
Yeah, once again. :rolleyes:

I want to vote, but I'm frozen. Because I don't know who to vote for.

Maybe we three should just prevent the last-minute flurry by making a pact that we all vote Shasta?
I don't really want to make a pact. How do I know it's not a wolf pact? :p

[Brinniel]

I might actually vote Eonwe. He seems so slippery...

Hmmm

[Thinlómien]

I don't really want to make a pact. How do I know it's not a wolf pact? :pYou know, I wasn't serious. :D But killing Shasta looks most attractive to me right now - he does look evil, doesn't look giftedish and if I vote him, you won't probably lynch me but him... :rolleyes:

edit: xed

[Thinlómien]

I could vote for him too. Should we?

[the phantom]

Okay, going off of this handy little list I made during my last readthrough.

Shasta has the most Cobbler check-marks.

Nerwen has the most WW check-marks. Eonwe and Brin are tied for the second most.

Shasta has the most total checks. Nerwen and Eonwe are tied for the second most.

I figure my candidate should really come from those names.

[Brinniel]

I have a bad feeling Shasta's just an ordo.

I will vote for tp or Eonwe.

[Thinlómien]

++Eönwë

hopefully the newbie wolf.

Now if you two lynch me I'm going to be really angry because I trusted you. :eek::D


edit: xed with Brinn

[the phantom]

Our necks are on the line, Brin.

I won't vote you if you won't vote me. You're not my highest suspect.

[Brinniel]

++Eonwe

*crosses fingers*

EDIT: X-ed with tp

[Brinniel]

I seriously will kick myself if I'm wrong... :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

++Eonwe

[Thinlómien]

I seriously will kick myself if I'm wrong... Me too - both of us. :rolleyes::rolleyes::p

[Macalaure]

Deadline.

[Brinniel]

I really hope both of you aren't wolves. :rolleyes:

EDIT: X-ed with Mac...sorry

[Macalaure]

The day's debate had been less heated than expected. While almost everyone was willing to lynch almost everyone, the past frustration and disappointment had affected them all. They had become desperate. Their thought processes went in circles, met dead ends, or silted in nothingness. It didn't look like any agreement could be reached until very late. Only very short before the decision had to be made, Brinniel, Lommy, and the phantom noticed Eönwë, who had been silent for almost all the time.

Hey, Eönwë, who do you think we should kill? Brinniel asked. He received no answer. Eönwë just kept on sitting next to a small well in the floor, playing with Lily's severed head.

Eönwë, are you alright? Durelin asked concerned.

Eönwë sobbed: They're out to kill us all.

I know, it's hard, Kath soothed him, but depression will not get us farther. We need to speak up and discuss! That, and only that, will get us out of here.

You don't understand. he replied, counting the fingers of Lily's dead and rotting hand. It's much worse. They're all out to kill us.

Absent-mindedly Eönwë dropped Lily's arm, which all of a sudden fell off her body and into the well. In shock he dropped the rest of her body as well, which, with a loud thudding sound fell after her arm, crashing against the sides of the well. Her head, unexpectedly still being connected to her body by a last sinew, was pulled after, making a rumbling sound.

What did you do that for? Lommy asked rather annoyed. Next time, throw yourself in, and rid us of your silence!

They are out to kill us! They all are! They're coming from all sides. There's nowhere to hide anymore. No safe corner.

What are you talking about - from all sides? the phantom asked in a quiet, but very serious tone.

Eönwë got up, startled. I-I...

You are a cobbler! You betrayed our mission! You allied with our Enemy! the phantom shouted, posting himself up in front of Eönwë, who stood with his back to the well.

This madness! he stuttered.

Madness? the phantom replied in rage.

THIS IS...

...oh will you shut up already. Shasta interrupted and just shoved Eönwë down the well without further comment.

*~*

Thus ended the reign of the mischief of cobblerdom in Utumno. The skies lighted up and Arien's fire shone upon the face of Arda again, and... no, wait... the actual evil is still unharmed. Ah, well...

*~*

Dead:
Macalaure and Rikae (mods) - killed by wolves and turned into faulty quenya in Night One
Kitanna (ordo) - lynched by a pointless mob on Day One
Lalaith (ordo) - severed from her chalk, and her head, in Night Two
Groin Redbeard (ordo) - died from exhaustion on Day Two
Gwathagor - (seer) turned into a talking corpse on Day Two
Mithalwen - (cobbler) made into a diverse set of items in Night Three
Feanor of the Peredhil - (ordo) visionary whose body was turned into abstract art on Day Three
Formendacil - (cobbler) killed by assassin in Night Four
Nilpaurion Felagund - (ordo) choked on his own tale in Night Four
Nogrod - (ordo) died in a battle of wits on Day Four
A Little Green - (cobbler) ripped in two in Night Five
Eönwë - (cobbler) fell to his death on Day Five

Alive:
Shastanis Althreduin - loner roane
Nerwen - treasure-seeker
Kath - unemployed bum
Durelin - eccentric, misanthropic archaeologist
Brinniel - junk collector
the phantom - obtainer of rare antiquities
Thinlómien - marine zoologist

Night Six has begun. Wolves, do your plotting. Assassin, well...

[Macalaure]

While the wolves were saddened about the loss of their last cobbler, their hearts were quickly uplifted again by the proximity of their victory. Snickering and tittering they came upon their next victim, and they were almost too careless, for as they approached her, they stumbled over piles of items of stone, tin, copper, and dirt. Brinniel, their victim, startled from her sleep and saw her fate baring its ugly fangs at her. But no fear was inside her in this moment... but wrath.

You have chosen the wrong person to kill tonight! Brinniel exclaimed.

What? No, we haven't. This time we really haven't!

Then Brinniel drew a sword, or so it looked at first, for as they looked, no blade could be seen by the wolves.

Begone foul werewolves, hounds of carrion! I will hinder you, if I may!

But the wolves only snarled back: Fool! No cobbler assassin can hinder us.

But no cobbler assassin am I. You look upon an ordo!

But... that sword?

Eönwë sold it to me.

Ha! You dare to threaten us with one of Eönwë's arms? They are fakes! Junk! the wolves laughed.

Yes, but that's why I like it...

The wolves showed no respect of the weapon and approached Brinniel fearlessly. But then, with no second to react, Brinniel sprang onto one of them, and hit it with the sword's side.

Ouch!

Hard.

DIEEE!

Repeatedly.

Ah! Help!

So staggering was her attack, that one werewolf alone she might have mastered. But there was more than one, and that one now grabbed her from behind. With a cry he lifted her up into the air... and threw her down on her sleeping place to devour her. He was ready and willing to tear Brinniel to shreds, but then noticed he didn't have to. A long, black, stony candlestick stuck from her chest. It was worth absolutely nothing, and Brinniel adored it like no other piece she collected on her long way. Now it had impaled her, and Brinniel was dead.

*~*

Wait, may I tear her to shreds anyway?

Well, I guess you can...

*~*

Dead:
Macalaure and Rikae (mods) - killed by wolves and turned into faulty quenya in Night One
Kitanna (ordo) - lynched by a pointless mob on Day One
Lalaith (ordo) - severed from her chalk, and her head, in Night Two
Groin Redbeard (ordo) - died from exhaustion on Day Two
Gwathagor - (seer) turned into a talking corpse on Day Two
Mithalwen - (cobbler) made into a diverse set of items in Night Three
Feanor of the Peredhil - (ordo) visionary whose body was turned into abstract art on Day Three
Formendacil - (cobbler) killed by assassin in Night Four
Nilpaurion Felagund - (ordo) choked on his own tale in Night Four
Nogrod - (ordo) died in a battle of wits on Day Four
A Little Green - (cobbler) ripped in two in Night Five
Eönwë - (cobbler) fell to his death on Day Five
Brinniel - (ordo) stabbed by her own junk in Night Six

Alive:
Shastanis Althreduin - loner roane
Nerwen - treasure-seeker
Kath - unemployed bum
Durelin - eccentric, misanthropic archaeologist
the phantom - obtainer of rare antiquities
Thinlómien - marine zoologist

Day Six has begun. Villagers: redeem yourself! Wolves: Matchball!

[the phantom]

All right everyone. Time to lay out all of your cards.

There's no excuse for lynching the Assassin today. Who is it?

If we Ordos can rule out ourselves as well as one other person, then our odds of picking a WW will be 50%.

Don't vote quickly or lightly please. The WWs only need TWO of us to vote incorrectly to claim victory.

I am preparing my thoughts on each person. I'll post them in a bit.

[the phantom]

Thoughts on voting-

Durelin
Day 1 is possibly suspicious. Rather than going for the safe Kit lynch she opts to take a shot at the village. Other than that she's voted fairly early and fairly safely. Could be lying low. With Shasta almost guaranteed to vote for me, and knowing that Brin is innocent, if Shasta is innocent as well then her vote was a perfect Wolf vote, guaranteeing the lead to innocents who have yet to vote.

Kath
The second Nog voter, in hopes of sending the bandwagon rolling merrily along? Yesterday's vote- we know Brin was innocent. If Shasta and Lommy are too then Kath's vote was a brilliant Wolf vote. By elevating three people who haven't voted yet to the lead, it's often a guarantee that one of them will die.

Lommy
Jumping on the Fea-wagon Day 3 seemed suspicious to me, seeing as the rather obvious Form-Cobbler was the other option. I can't take much from her vote yesterday as her life was on the line. But I don't like that she ran ahead and lynched her dad when he was sounding more and more innocent to me as the clock ran down. Surely she knows him better than I?

Nerwen
Her Day 1 vote for Kit there at the end was odd. The deal was decided at that point, wasn't it? Why not go with something different? Nervous about making enemies? Her early vote yesterday for Shasta who was a safe bet to vote for me might've been an attempt to turn the Day into a two-horse race between innocents.

Shasta
He was the first to jump on board the Kit-wagon Day 1. Was he relieved to find a way out alive for free? Or just playing the odds? His voting has been consistent to say the least. Is it because he does not wish to make more enemies?

Conclusions-

Everyone is a Wolf! :eek:

I hate being an Ordo alive on a make-or-break day! I've done it once before and I was absolutely pulling my hair out. Of course in that village it turned out that none of us were WWs. :rolleyes: (Fea was the Mod, surprise surprise)

[the phantom]

Phantom comes back home and finds.... nothing.

I have another obligation tonight, but when I return I am planning on doing some more rereading. However, it would be absolutely great if the Assassin could reduce my workload by 20%. I don't really have a lot of time to waste.

[Nerwen]

Well, it's clear now: the evil ones are Lommy and the phantom. Only our wolves have such talent at killing cobblers.:p

However, Eönwë was surely planning to slip through and self-vote at the end, so it's just as well you lynched him. I might never have got around to murdering him. Kath was next on my list.

Thanks–

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Assassin.

[Durelin]

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Assassin.

That's why I didn't vote for your yesterDay, because I thought you might be. Glad I was right about something finally!

I agree with you on Kath especially, phantom, but two of your statements about me are rather ridiculous in my opinion. Two of them are at least partly based on the fact that I've been voting fairly early (and that is safe and trying to lead the village in a certain direction)! For Lord sakes, man, class comes before werewolf. :rolleyes: Sorry, I just had to, on principle...of course I will seem needlessly defensive...

For our wolves, I'm thinking Kath and Shasta, though I am not ruling out phantom and really shouldn't rule out Lommy as I have been. Meh.

Right now I feel Kath is the most wolfish, but I don't know... A very quiet Kath is normally a wolf, right?

I'd love your opinions, Nerwen. Amazing job lying low but not too low, eh?

[the phantom]

Nerwen?! You are the Assassin? :eek:

I didn't suspect you at all! (I take that back. The first day I did, but you just sort of faded away after that.) After Eonwe was proven to be the Cobbler I figured for sure the Assassin was Shasta. That's why I've been so weird about him, especially yesterday. He was the one I was most worried about being a Cobbler, but I kept thinking he was perhaps the Assassin pretending to be a Cobbler, so either way I wasn't sure I wanted to lynch him.
Eönwë was surely planning to slip through and self-vote at the end
Yes, and I don't know why. With an even number of villagers a self-vote is not a clincher. His best bet would've been to make as many enemies as possible and get himself lynched. He did manage to get lynched, of course, but only because through either careful plotting or complete chance the three left to vote at the end were all tied for the lead.

Okay, well thank you, Nerwen. Now I don't have to go through your posts later tonight.
Only our wolves have such talent at killing cobblers.
Ha ha ha! Yes, I think they've been trying to put you out of business. :p

But hey, I tried to kill Form, didn't I? Can't I have a teensy bit of credit for that? And I also spotted Mith as one, but never got a chance to do anything about it because she died that night. Green was the only one that completely threw me for a loop. So I haven't done that terrible! :D

[the phantom]

I must attend to my guests now. I'll be back later.

EDIT: I'll chat later, Dur. I know my accusations aren't perfect. The fact is I can spin the same events as a positive or a negative. I'm just trying to give my reasons for why I am able to have a certain level of suspicion for everyone. Meh- badly explained. But really must run now!

[Nerwen]

After Eonwe was proven to be the Cobbler I figured for sure the Assassin was Shasta. That's why I've been so weird about him, especially yesterday. He was the one I was most worried about being a Cobbler, but I kept thinking he was perhaps the Assassin pretending to be a Cobbler, so either way I wasn't sure I wanted to lynch him.

I did think of that as an alternative explanation of the way you were acting towards him– which otherwise was starting to look very suspicious. So either you're telling the truth or you've done a nice job of reading my mind.


NerwenAnd I also spotted Mith as one, but never got a chance to do anything about it because she died that night.

For the record, I was going to kill Mith on Night Three, but my ISP went down before I could post– you recall I wasn't around the next Day? Pity– the wolves got her anyway, but as Mac said, it would have made for a funny narration.;)

[the phantom]

or you've done a nice job of reading my mind
Heh, of course! I'm the phantom! :D But then really if I could read minds the game would be over by now, so I suppose I can't claim that ability.
For the record, I was going to kill Mith on Night Three, but my ISP went down before I could post
Okay, so I've got to know. Was I right about you back then? Had you indeed spotted the same thing that I did with Fea, me, and Mith? Did you think Fea was the Seer?
Nerwen spotted it too, and Mith as well I believe- but I think both of them thought it was something slightly different. We'll see who's correct.
Well, it turns out I was part wrong about what I thought I had spotted. But I was part right as well. I still believe Nerwen and Mith saw it as well and reacted to it. Now that we know that she was indeed a Cobbler, Mith's reaction makes perfect sense. Nerwen's reaction makes me think that she is innocent.
So was I right about that? Just curious.

[the phantom]

For Lord sakes, man, class comes before werewolf.
What world do you live in? I can recall skipping class many times to play WW.

But then I've never been much of a model student. ;)

[Nerwen]

Okay, so I've got to know. Was I right about you back then? Had you indeed spotted the same thing that I did with Fea, me, and Mith? Did you think Fea was the Seer?

Yes, I did... or possibly a baddie paving the way for a false reveal.

[the phantom]

or possibly a baddie paving the way for a false reveal
Ah, yeah I suppose that could've been another option that people could've thought of. I think that I never considered that because of my familiarity with her. I just couldn't imagine her doing anything of that sort so early if that was indeed what she was up to. And I also don't think she'd use me as the fodder on something like that. We like to fight sometimes, but that would be just downright low.

[Durelin]

What world do you live in? I can recall skipping class many times to play WW.

It may come as quite a blow to many, but I'm afraid I save up my absences for more important things... :p

I'm really finding it hard to think of Lommy and phantom as guilty. Lommy would be more focused and technical as a wolf I think. phantom...I don't know. I don't feel like lynching him, and haven't for a while now.

So that leaves just two people, how convenient. But I don't want to vote yet, that could be dangerous.

I may not be able to be around near the deadline once again though, I'm afraid - this time because I am hoping to see a very close friend before she heads off to school several states away.

So...Nerwen...do you find anyone guilty? K thx.

[Durelin]

What I'm wondering is if Shasta would want to leave phantom around for the fun of it? I think phantom might want to leave Shasta around for fun. But what if those two really are the wolves...

Part of me says the 'safer' vote is Shasta, but I feel like Kath seems the most guilty. Both of them have been quite seriously considered as wolves/cobblers, but they are both still here.

phantom is still here. But people like to leave him around. For amusement, or for scaring people. (And he seriously doesn't fit with the wolf kills.) Would a Kath and Shasta pair?

Anyway...why Brinn? I guess because she wasn't seriously suspected pretty much at all except for my little bit yesterDay? Then why not Lommy...well, Brinn was 'quieter'...hrmm.

I ramble...it's late...I need sleep.

[the phantom]

It may come as quite a blow to many, but I'm afraid I save up my absences for more important things...
There are things more important than online games?
I think phantom might want to leave Shasta around for fun.
Yeah, if it weren't for the fact that he's pretty much guaranteed to vote for me. If it were up to me I would do away with him and just try and explain the kill away the next day as an attempted frame-up.
What I'm wondering is if Shasta would want to leave phantom around for the fun of it?
I can't speak for what Shasta would do. I don't believe I've ever played with him as a WW before. Though logic says that if he thinks he can get me lynched he might as well leave me I suppose.
Anyway...why Brinn?
Oh, yeah, I forgot to talk about that earlier. The Brin kill seemed a bit weird to me as well. I figured for sure that Shasta and I would be left for today as a dueling pair and that you and Brin would be left as a dueling pair (because you both suspected each other yesterday and you even voted for her).

I can only assume that the WWs had reason to suspect Brin of being the Assassin. (unless of course you're a WW and didn't want to be in a dueling pair ;) )

[Nerwen]

the phantom –I've been inclined to believe him innocent throughout the game, but that's partly because he seems to think along the same lines as me. As he says himself, he's probably clever enough to guess what I'm thinking and fake it.:rolleyes:

Durelin –Feels rather evil... but she always does, to me. Her weak suspicions of me on previous Days could be a wolf seeing if she could start something... but then her explanation toDay makes sense (or is it a case of, "well, she would say that, wouldn't she?"). She has made some useful suggestions, like (after Nilp) warning gifteds to ignore false reveals... and she was the first person to suggest Mith might be a cobbler. [conspiracy theory: phantom-wolf and Wolfelin picked Mith as a cobbler, all right, and killed her as a double-bluff.]

Lommy –seems fair, votes foul. Bad luck... or something more?

Kath –Has been on my hit-list since her interesting post on Day Three. (The one where she theorises than the Seer dreamed a wolf each Night and chose not to give any clear indication.)

Shasta –After re-reading his posts, he comes across even more strongly as a cobbler (and would-be lynchee)... which we now know he isn't. So– a cobbler-impersonating wolf? Or a disaffected ordo, embittered by what happened to him last time? Has he had one of those mysterious insights that wildcard players seem to get?

EDIT: X'd with phantom and Durelin.

[Nerwen]

So...Nerwen...do you find anyone guilty? K thx.

You understand that now I know less than everyone else? The rest of you know at least two innocents.

Look, I can see reasons to suspect everyone... but Kath and Shasta seem the worst, at least individually. I need to look over their interactions.

[the phantom]

You understand that now I know less than everyone else? The rest of you know at least two innocents.
That is a good point to keep in mind. But at the same time at least we know we can trust that you aren't slanting your thoughts and reads on people with misleading intent. So while we cannot necessarily trust your conclusions, we can trust your thoughts.
I've been inclined to believe him innocent throughout the game, but that's partly because he seems to think along the same lines as me. As he says himself, he's probably clever enough to guess what I'm thinking and fake it. :rolleyes:
Heh heh. While that may be true, you can hardly say that I guessed about you and faked it after the fact on those events that I already explained before your reveal. For instance the whole Fea-Mith incident. I called that for what it was days before you revealed as the trusted Assassin.
I need to look over their interactions.
Yeah, I've been trying to look at possible partnerships, but I'm getting rather stumped there. The fact is you can spin something many different ways. I pointed out yesterday how Shasta had basically no links to anyone in the entire village except me. Then after that he came up with a list. I mean, it's hard to gain anything interaction-wise from that.

And if two people kind of ignore each other are they doing it to distance themselves, or when two people go after each other are they doing it to distance themselves? It can work both ways.

I'm done reading for right now, though. I've got to get ready for bed. I must be rested up for a whole weekend of backyard BBQs. Don't ya just love Labor Day weekend? :)

[Thinlómien]

First off, some relatives came here over the weekend so I can't participate as much as I would like to be. But I will do my best to be around more than just a little, seeing as this could be (is?) a crucial Day.

Jumping on the Fea-wagon Day 3 seemed suspicious to me, seeing as the rather obvious Form-Cobbler was the other option.Yeah, but I wasn't sure he was a cobbler and I thought that if he was, he could be left to the Assassin.

But I don't like that she ran ahead and lynched her dad when he was sounding more and more innocent to me as the clock ran down. Surely she knows him better than I?Really, no. I hate it that when people assume I should know my dad/sister/best friend in ww games. I really don't. In fact, they tend to be the best at fooling me.

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Assassin.Thank you, Nerwie. I just became a little more hopeful. You see, this must be the first thing I have guessed correctly in this game... :rolleyes:

Right now I feel Kath is the most wolfish, but I don't know... A very quiet Kath is normally a wolf, right?Now that I think of it: a very quiet Kath = an evil Kath or a busy Kath. I don't know which one is this one...

I'm just trying to give my reasons for why I am able to have a certain level of suspicion for everyone. Meh- badly explained. Now doesn't this sound like: "I'm just trying to give my reasons for why I could jump on any vote in order to win this game as a wolf"? But, yeah, I can understand his feelings. At this phase, I'm pretty paranoid too.

I don't really like this semi-consesus, but... I think Durelin looks the least guilty after myself and Nerwen. She sounds sincere enough and her attacks against Nogrod seem a tad too bold for a wolf. Kath, on the other hand, is probably a wolf, because she seems indeed rather fishy. Her fellow is then Shasta or tp, which one, I don't know. If I had to bet, I'd say Shasta, but I don't really know. Could be either. I haven't ruled out the possibility of a Shasta-tp duo, but you know, if they're wolves together, maybe they even deserve to win for giving us such a great show? Aieee, I don't really know. Maybe I too will look for partnerships. Maybe that would help. Because the only connection I can remember is how Shasta and tp treat each other - a rather peculiar connection - but I'm not sure what to make of it. Maybe another whole village reread would do good for me... if I just have time.

Wolves, please, would you help us a little and start doing something very suspicious...? :p You know, you can afford that, you've fooled us quite well this far...

But hey, folks, we can always take this Day as a great challenge. I, for one, enjoy them...

[Nerwen]

Here's everything Kath has said this game, in one convenient, easy-to-read post (minus some emoticons):

Kath, Day Two.

Well, now I've got my brain in gear, hello! Just posting to let you know I am actually around toDay because I need to disappear and post for an RPG quickly and then I'll be back with you.

I know that many of you hate it when I do this but as I saw nothing of yesterDay I need to get my thoughts in order which means, yes, a list. Though it's really a 'find the odd things' list so will appear completely biased.

Nog - rather pointless so far, and what's with that 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 list in which everything useful in it could be said in one paragraph making it much easier to read?! Don't know whether he was trying to be warning or inflammatory with that narration quote about the cobblers, the fact that it specifically said it was too dark for them to see each other seemed obvious. My suspicion would be that right now they can't see each other ... but perhaps if they're left alive long enough they will eventually be told who the others are, thus making them a 'better' enemy.

phantom - I am intrigued by the niceness of his first post. But as I'm ill equipped to deal with two Werewolves all on my own, it is currently in my best interest to work with you guys to lynch them. Does that really sound like the phantom we all know?

Durelin - a little bit of stating the obvious.

Eonwe -

Gwath -

Form -

Lalaith -

Groin - says to beware of those who are very loud, after mentioning at the beginning of his post that he is quiet.

Nerwen -

Shasta -

Brinn -

Lommy - 'two wolves are easy to find' is an interesting thing to say, I would have thought the fewer wolves there are the harder they are to find.

Mith -

Nilp -

Greenie -

One thing I will say outside all this. Don't underestimate a Cobbler. Alright, so my experience with them is very different to most as I owe my win in one game to a very impressive Cobbler attack, but that just proves the point. The wolves are the main target it's agreed, but the Cobblers may not be as unthreatening as some people seem to think.

Gah, I have to go out, this is as far as I've got which is why it looks quite so unfinished. I'm at post 60 of Day 1 at the moment, I'll finish it off when I get back.

Oh, well I was going to do Day 2 but due to a misunderstanding I have no dinner and so must go and get myself some and then I'm leaving for some socialising. Therefore I have to vote now:

++LOMMY

I have little reasoning for any of those I found suspicious yesterday but I have been keeping up with the thread toDay. She was really quite overly cross I think at an early point and while she hasn't dropped her suspicion of Nogrod it hasn't been mentioned except in one post unlike yesterDay when she was quite vocal about it. I admit it was a close run thing between her and Nog but then I always, always find Nog suspicious so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Day Three.

Right, quick post before I disappear for a few hours because we have people visiting.

Fea - the rule has always been that so long as the number of Cobblers doesn't equal the number of innocents the village wins.

Also, on Gwath, I think he dreamt of phantom and found him wolvish. He might also have dreamt of Fea. Though he did add that 'if' statement to indicate being unsure it's the most concrete thing we had from him apart from those two Innocent coments which are odd. If Gwath thought through (or noticed) the caveat that Cobblers would appear as innocents in the narration then no way can the Innocent bits mean anything. If not then yeah, he dreamt of those he called Innocent. I can't believe though that our Seer would fail to notice this, so I'm going with my original assumption.

Truly, this is not just me going 'oh it's the phantom, let's kill him', which I admit is my usual reaction to him playing. He hasn't annoyed me in any way, his overbearingness has actually seemed less overt than usual, he's been a nicer guy than I'm used to. I doubt he's simply mellowed, ergo he's a wolf. Well, that's my reasoning anyway. :rolleyes: But really, who are you going to dream of as a Seer when you have phantom and Fea, masters at playing you for a fool? Thought so.

Oh go on then, lynch me.

Nah don't, I'm having a rather nice time. Been a while since I've lived, perhaps I'm high on the experience. Anyway, phantom, I never said that Gwath was stupid, I don't believe that's true, I was in fact defending him against those who said he'd list people he'd dreamt of as Innocent. As to him dreaming of two wolves and not saying anything, ok, I didn't think that through. But in that case, you're a wolf and he hadn't yet dreamt of Fea - sorted.

If this is annoying you then you have my apologies, I seem to have no desire to play in my usual style, it's so boring.

Day 4

Brinn, Nog and Lommy started a very late bandwagon against Fea yesterday. I had wondered where it had come from when I discovered she'd be lynched. They're going on and on about not having a flurry of last minute voting and bandwagons and there they go and do the exact same thing. I don't think they're suspicious for voting for her, she was second on my list, but I think the manner of it most odd.

Ah, and to answer something from Nog yesterDay. Just because I'm not suspecting you doesn't mean anything. With phantom, Fea and Nilp in the game you barely got my attention in terms of automatic suspicion. Now, however, after yesterDay, you've got it. Brinn too actually, more so than Lommy for some reason though I'm not sure why.

Durelin, I'm quite pleased that you think my posts usually contain anything helpful. Generally I get condemned for merely analysing. :rolleyes: I am playing a different style and it is far more fun. Clearly not very accurate though as I was totally wrong on Fea. However, given that, I still think our main suspects must lie in the last minute flurry of voting that ended up with her death. That's not to say though that they must be those who voted for her. I think it's likely, but there were others there.

Now, you can probably see where I'm going with this and that's back to phantom. I see I have an ally here in Shasta, but I wish I didn't because his arguments and reasoning are just bizarre. phantom wanted to save Fea, hardly a surprise. To save Fea he voted Form, again not a surprise as he's insisted Form is a cobbler for some time. I don't understand what Shasta has taken from this. What I take from it is that phantom played a very nice double blind and is a wolf.

Apart from all that Nog is firmly on my radar now. Going back over the voting I found that quote in which he basically says 'tell me who to vote for' and also, in saying he might be willing to lynch Fea, made a bandwagon more likely. I'm not sure though whether he'd be wolf or cobbler.

That's what I'm thinking right now. I may have to vote a little early and if I do it will be for one of those two.

Alright, I need to vote now.

++NOGROD

I was determined that it was to be phantom but he just has to go and make a reasonable point. I'm going to look at that Mith thing very, very carefully.

Day Five.

I don't have much to say right now as I'm falling asleep but I'm beginning to think that I should start voting against my own suspicions as they're clearly so utterly wrong. That said, Greenie had gone unnoticed by me and turned out to be evil, so I'm thinking of looking at who I haven't really paid much attention to and actually doing so. This new way of playing is fun but it's not actuall doing anyone any good so maybe I'll go back to the old way for a Day and try to be of some real help.

I'm very sorry, I intended to be around for much more of the Day but it ran away from me and now I have to go fetch my sister from karate in about 10 minutes and will therefore miss the deadline.

But, now, I'm going to concentrate here and try to really work out what I'm feeling about each person. Not based on specific quotes or anything but just what I've got from seeing their posts as I read through.

Shasta - well I can sort of see phantom's point about him not really ... being there I suppose. I mean there are plenty of posts but not much if the way of things that drag him into the limelight, at least apart from his battle with phantom. However, the fact that he is at least consistent with that suspicion makes me feel more secure with him. Or at least it would if that wasn't a trick I've employed on more than one occasion.

Eonwe - I just don't know. I can't, it's like, I mean I have paid attention to him and I've read his posts and on occasion I've thought 'hmm, good point' but he's a master at flying under the radar.

Nerwen - the fact that I have little opinion on her is what worries me the most here. Nerwen quiet? I don't believe it. I'm beginning to think though that we have quiet wolves. I mean why not? If you know the Cobblers are in the village taking the suspicion for you. I have a feeling though that some of that is RL-related, plus she was her normal argumentative self toDay.

Durelin - did come over as a very frustrated innocent, but there was a post by here early today, basically a 'this is why I'm not evil' post and the end of that really caught my attention and suspicion. A pre-defence wasn't necessary, no one has put any real pressure on her, so I wasn't keen on that.

Brinn - ah Brinn! What to do here? I read one post and think she's innocent, I read another and think she's guilty as hell. And I can't decide which. It makes me think she might be Cobbler rather than wolf but it does make me think she's evil.

phantom - he's evil damn it! Except of course that he's probably not. It's a terrible thing to admit to but I would quite happily lynch him for the pleasure of ridding myself of the unsurety. I'm still thinking over that point he made about Mith. The problem is that while it makes perfect sense I still believe him capable of finding a way around it.

Lommy - again comes across wrong somehow. Though I'm really not sure about this one as I don't know where that feeling has come from. I would have to take a proper look at her I think. Hmm actually I know what it is, she hasn't really come to a conclusion on anyone. I'm not sure it's doing us much good coming to a consensus as we've not managed to lynch a baddie yet, but she's just refusing to commit. Except for Nerwen - interesting that as there's no reasoning.

Hmm, so right now I think I'd want to lynch everyone. :rolleyes: Mostly I want to lynch phantom but I sincerely doubt I'm going to get any support there as it is an entirely unfounded suspicion. Behind that it's a fair tie between Lommy, Nerwen and Brinn.

++LOMMY

Because this isn't the first time this game she's popped up as suspicious to me. Maybe I should stick with my early suspicions. We'll see.

[Durelin]

I can only assume that the WWs had reason to suspect Brin of being the Assassin.

Oh. Yeah. Her and Nerwen actually seemed kinda the most likely assassins to me yesterDay, which meant I went quiet back and forth about them. But then Nerwen said a couple things yesterDay that made me think she was more likely the assassin... And yes, I'm going to ignore the comment about me killing Brinn. :p

Ooh, thanks Nerwen, that's awesome.

The things I find most interesting are Kath's comments on Gwath and who he might have dreamt of. Those were really very strange. They made little sense but put forward a couple names as wolves: phantom and Fea. Fea we know was innocent.

The whole "oh go on then, lynch me" thing...part of her 'new playing style?'

Her comments on that make me wonder if she was trying to look like a cobbler.

If this is annoying you then you have my apologies, I seem to have no desire to play in my usual style, it's so boring.

This was at the end of her *defense of her Gwath comments*. Did her suggestions about who Gwath dreamt of really have anythign to do with her playing style? But I think that comment succeeded and backing people off of her.

Truly, this is not just me going 'oh it's the phantom, let's kill him', which I admit is my usual reaction to him playing.

Is that true?

But really, who are you going to dream of as a Seer when you have phantom and Fea, masters at playing you for a fool? Thought so.

Why would she say that?

In her second post on Day 4, Kath points to the late Fea voters (except for me for some reason!), but also points again to phantom. She starts out with the Fea bandwagon, then talks about something like "not just those who voted for her, but others there"...to segway into talking about phantom.

I still think our main suspects must lie in the last minute flurry of voting that ended up with her death. That's not to say though that they must be those who voted for her. I think it's likely, but there were others there.

Okay...so she says it's likely both wolves were in the Fea voters but she talks the most about phantom. She tosses in Nog, too, thouigh. Of course she's pick Nog, as that'd be the second vote for him. *...sigh*

I was determined that it was to be phantom but he just has to go and make a reasonable point.

Or I had to go and vote for Nog?

I'm beginning to think though that we have quiet wolves. I mean why not? If you know the Cobblers are in the village taking the suspicion for you.

Yes, good point... *coughs*

So she goes after Lommy again, for consistency's sake? To stay safely out of things?

Connections between her and Shasta...phantom. She's quite a bit lighter on the phantom-suspecting (she never votes for him for one thing), but she seems to try and quietly cultivate *fear* of him. Or she's trying to make little jabs every so often at a fellow wolf. Would Kath and Shatsa decide they would both try to keep phantom as some creepy entity? I guess if you are stuck not killing him because you're trying to get the cobbler assassin?

Ugh, feeling crappy...will be back...

[the phantom]

Okay, I'm awake. Wow, and it's only 10:30. That's early for a Saturday.
Really, no. I hate it that when people assume I should know my dad/sister/best friend in ww games. I really don't. In fact, they tend to be the best at fooling me.
Yes, yes, you said that in the last game as well. I think my issue with you lynching Daddy-dearest goes beyond just you though. Game after game after game I can't tell you how often someone will be under the gun like Nog and start flailing around a bit and everyone seems to think it makes them more likely to be guilty. Where as me- I quite often come away with the opposite impression, and more often than not they are indeed innocent. I just don't understand why thrashing about makes one look guilty. Why would an Ordo want to die?

But that's a very old debate. SPM and I had it out more than once over that issue.

Well, we now have all of Kath's words in one easy to read post. Nerwen, do you think you could do that for my posts too? Oh, come on. Please.
Truly, this is not just me going 'oh it's the phantom, let's kill him', which I admit is my usual reaction to him playing.
Is that true?
I think it kind of is. I think both of us are usually uneasy with each other. I find her a little more difficult to read than the really loud players because she reacts/responds to less things. And she probably always has the urge to kill me because, well, I'm me.

Maybe I should skim a couple of her old games. Just fyi, I'm going to be leaving for lunch pretty soon, but I should be back for the final two hours or so.

[Nerwen]

And Kath's another one who still looks more like a cobbler than anything.:rolleyes:

Here's another conspiracy theory: Kath and the phantom. See how she makes unconvincing attacks on him, then votes other people? And– as with Shasta– he conveniently dismisses her as a cobbler.


But I was going to look at Shasta and Kath.

This is everything Kath says about Shasta:

I see I have an ally here in Shasta, but I wish I didn't because his arguments and reasoning are just bizarre. phantom wanted to save Fea, hardly a surprise. To save Fea he voted Form, again not a surprise as he's insisted Form is a cobbler for some time. I don't understand what Shasta has taken from this.

(part of a list) Shasta - well I can sort of see phantom's point about him not really ... being there I suppose. I mean there are plenty of posts but not much if the way of things that drag him into the limelight, at least apart from his battle with phantom. However, the fact that he is at least consistent with that suspicion makes me feel more secure with him. Or at least it would if that wasn't a trick I've employed on more than one occasion.


And Shasta on Kath:

(part of a list) Kath seems off to me... I'm not sure I'd lycanize her, but she could easily be a shoemaker.

*shrugs* There's nothing to say they're allies, and nothing to say they're not. The way they've avoided mentioning each other except in passing could mean something... except that of course Shasta hasn't interacted with anyone except the phantom!

EDIT: fixed quotes
EDIT2: X'd with Durelin and the phantom.

[Kath]

What Day are we on? Day 6? Well then, it all makes sense. When it comes to this point in the game I'm always lynched. :rolleyes: I won't defend myself overly. I will say that I am innocent and therefore lynching me is a very, very bad plan. If you have any specific questions you want me to answer I will, but please post them before 8 as I will have to leave around half 8 (it's hop festival time here so I'll be in the pub :D).

So, if I assume Nerwen is telling the truth then the wolves lie somewhere in this list:

Shasta
Durelin
phantom
Lommy

And I just do not know who is evil. You all look incredibly suspicious, with the possible exception of Durelin who for some reason has felt innocent to me all game. If I had to pick right now who is wolvish I would say it's phantom and Lommy, but that's gut feeling alone. I'll have a think about this.

[Nerwen]

What Day are we on? Day 6? Well then, it all makes sense. When it comes to this point in the game I'm always lynched. :rolleyes: I won't defend myself overly. I will say that I am innocent and therefore lynching me is a very, very bad plan. If you have any specific questions you want me to answer I will, but please post them before 8 as I will have to leave around half 8 (it's hop festival time here so I'll be in the pub :D).

Okay. Kath, if you're innocent you owe it to the village to put up a much better defence than this. If we lynch the wrong person now, it's game over.

Well?

[Kath]

I can't do much more than tell you you're lynching the wrong person. I'm not evil, I never was. Tell me why you think I'm evil, I'll tell you that I'm not. What else can I do?

I have been pressed for time and disinclined to play seriously, that will be the reason behind almost anything that looks suspicious in my behaviour. Quite simply, were I anything of any consequence I would not have played in such a blase fashion. Even if others use it as a ploy I'd have been too scared of getting lynched for it, I'm not a confident wolf.

There you go, that's my defense. Two evil people, three innocents. Nerwen, if you accept that I am innocent we have a much higher chance of getting a wolf toDay and giving ourselves a chance.

[the phantom]

*shrugs* There's nothing to say they're allies, and nothing to say they're not.
Yeah, that's what I mean about the interaction aspect. I'm not going to try and find two WWs today. I'm going to try and find one single WW and if we're right then I will take another look at interactions and see if anyone is implicated. The interactions themselves are too spotty to use to catch the pair before either has been discovered.
except that of course Shasta hasn't interacted with anyone except the phantom!
Yeah, which seems super weird. I can't recall ever seeing anything like it. That's why even when I feared he was the Cobbler or Assassin I still almost wanted to lynch him. I felt like he was using me or something. I mean, I think several people now have put forward the Phantom-Shasta idea, and perhaps that's precisely what he was going for? Hooking himself to an innocent rather than his fellow? I did something similar last time I was a WW, but in a different way of course.

[the phantom]

I have been pressed for time and disinclined to play seriously, that will be the reason behind almost anything that looks suspicious in my behaviour.
Now this is difficult. On one hand, if she's innocent then she is completely correct. Such an approach would result in looking suspicious. On the other hand it's a rather convenient excuse to explain away any bit of false reasoning, bad choices, flip-flopping, or anything wrong you could ever possibly do in a village. I really don't know what to think.

Though naturally I disagree with you placing me as a WW. I think I've worked as hard as anyone to lynch the suspicious. And when I thought I'd spotted the Seer I attempted to keep her hidden and play along with her. If you are truly innocent, I would advise against suspecting me. If you are a WW, then of course you are doing precisely what you should be doing.

[Kath]

But phantom that's an impossible argument. You say you've done all you can to lynch the suspicious, therefore to find you suspicious makes you a werewolf. But to me those I've attempted to try and lynch have all seemed suspicious and thus I've only done as much as you have. The problem is that I've seen you dominate as a wolf and I know that you shy away from nothing but outright lying. To my mind I can put nothing past you and therefore it is very hard for me to accept you as innocent.

[the phantom]

You say you've done all you can to lynch the suspicious, therefore to find you suspicious makes you a werewolf.
I didn't say that at all! The only reason I'm even bothering to talk to you is because I believe that it is possible you aren't a WW. I mean- you can't really reason with a Wolf.

My point is that as a WW I would've been trying to be wrong about my suspicions, and I could do a much better job of being wrong than what I have been as I'm sure you know.

And lastly, how likely is it that I'd kill Mith? Especially since she was shouting Cobbler to me.

[Kath]

And lastly, how likely is it that I'd kill Mith? Especially since she was shouting Cobbler to me.
And that is the one thing that makes me doubt you're a wolf. It's why I've not been able to bring myself to vote for you, ever since you mentioned it. But as I said, the problem is that I don't doubt you would be able to pull it off. Tell you what, say to me 'I am not a wolf, I am innocent' and we'll see.

[Durelin]

What do you think of Shasta, Kath?

[the phantom]

Tell you what, say to me 'I am not a wolf, I am innocent' and we'll see.
Ha ha ha! :D

Okay, but I doubt that most of the others understand why you're making me do this. It's a long story, people.

Okay- I am not a wolf, I am innocent.

[Kath]

Shasta reminds me of myself when I play normally. Focusing on one person, really going after them. If he's convinced it's very hard to make yourself change your mind, and he hasn't had the advantage of finding out phantom's role through getting him lynched and thus being able to move on. So I think he's a very focused and frustrated innocent. That's not to say though that he's not a very brave wolf! I just don't think so.

[Kath]

Ha! Cross-posted with phantom. You know what ... alright. Alright ok, phantom I'll accept it. If you've played me then at least it's been with aplomb.

Problem is without you I've only got one suspect as I don't think Shasta is a wolf and Durelin feels innocent. But hey, at least it makes voting easy. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Okay, Kath, you keep saying that Shasta is a frustrated Ordo, and even reminds you of you, but still- going several days and 40+ posts without giving an opinion about any of you? You've never done that to my knowledge. Doesn't that seem a bit extreme? It smacks of a WW imitating a Cobbler, or someone trying not to make too many enemies. Or someone trying to make people think "No way would a WW be that crazy."

[Nerwen]

Ha ha ha! :D

Okay, but I doubt that most of the others understand why you're making me do this. It's a long story, people.

We've got a couple of hours. What are you two up to?

EDIT: X'd with tp.

[Kath]

I suppose it looks bad for him but maybe he's just secure in his convictions. Even if he is absolutely 100% wrong it doesn't mean that he's evil and to my mind consistency isn't a bad thing.

[Kath]

Nerwen, don't worry too much, it's just that phantom once said he'd never actually lie when a wolf so I thought I'd test that out.

[Nerwen]

Okay, but how can anyone be that secure?

EDIT: X'd with Kath.

[Durelin]

Can I keep questioning you, Kath?

Because I'd really like to know why Lommy? She still just 'comes across wrong'?

[Kath]

I'm not. I'm really, really not. But I had that on good authority so I'm just going to have to hope.

[Durelin]

consistency isn't a bad thing.

Well of course you'd say that. ;)

If you can be as consistent as Shasta and maybe even as you have, that your main suspect(s) (phantom, and Lommy and phantom) have never managed to get lynched, yes...you do end up in a pretty nice spot.

[Kath]

Oh sorry Nerwen, misunderstood that. How can anyone be that secure? Have you never played with, say, Farael? Some people can be completely convinced and remain that way until they find out whether they're right.

Durelin, go ahead. Why Lommy? Well, yes it's a feeling, but also where is she? This incredibly important Day and she's barely around? A quiet Lommy is a bad sign to me.

[the phantom]

Okay, but how can anyone be that secure?
Yeah, that's what I worry about. The fact is it looks like an excellent WW ploy were he and I WWs. If he gets me lynched then Shasta must be innocent right? And if he gets lynched then I must be innocent, right?

But that's not what's going on, I can tell you. I would never allow something so reckless. I am in favor of bold, but not obvious and reckless.

So I sort of feel like I'm being set up. Yeah, I guess I am kind of taking this personally.
We've got a couple of hours. What are you two up to?
Heh heh... Well, in games past it has come up that I take immense pride in being one of the only players that lies more as an innocent than as a WW. I think it's due to my sense of sportsmanship. I feel that the WWs, as the attackers, should be somewhat sporting. Where as the innocents being attacked should be allowed to do anything they please to catch the beasts.

[Durelin]

This incredibly important Day and she's barely around? A quiet Lommy is a bad sign to me.

Actually I thought as a wolf she posted rather a lot, but I don't know. This also makes me think of Shasta...as in, where is he? Hmm.

[the phantom]

This also makes me think of Shasta...as in, where is he? Hmm.
Perhaps he assumes that if he arrives late that two people will have already started going at each other and thus leave him in the clear? I've seen that many times.

[the phantom]

As far as Lommy goes, all I know is that in the last game (DWW) most of my team mates and some villagers kept saying "guilty guilty guilty" but I disregarded them and turned out being right about her. She feels exactly the same to me in this village, though quieter.

[Thinlómien]

As for where I am, it's here. I just arrived and read the thread. And as for Kath's question* - I think I did say we're having guests so I might have problems getting online... we were in an amusement park for the whole day and I just arrived. I will post something more substantial soon.

*should I be worried that she makes a point of my absence when I've actually explained it already? Is she just trying to create a "mist of suspicion" around me, or maybe she hasn't read my post properly because she has already decided to suspect me, whatever the case? Makes me wonder...

[Kath]

Can make any case you like Lommy, but I just didn't see that. Was it in the admin thread?

[Durelin]

Kath or Shasta? I really don't want to hang around any longer.

I may be a fool for trusting anyone and focusing on those two, but I really don't care right now.

[Nerwen]

No. Post #596.First off, some relatives came here over the weekend so I can't participate as much as I would like to be.

EDIT: X'd with Durelin. I was replying to Kath.

[Kath]

Ah ok, no I didn't see that Lommy. But did you really have to be quite so defensive about it?

Right I'm going to be leaving in the next 5-10 minutes. Durelin has given her voting options, clearly I don't want to vote for her first option, and I would rather not vote for the latter. But it is really only me and Shasta that are up for the noose?

[Durelin]

Well, you haven't managed to convince me to vote for anyone else, Kath, sorry.

[the phantom]

Well, Dur, I don't know what to tell you. Kath has played nicely today, in the sense of projecting innocence and appealing to my personality, so I certainly favor Shasta over her at this point. I'd rather be winked at and won over than straight up kept alive merely to be used as a giant ploy. :rolleyes:

[Thinlómien]

Here's another conspiracy theory: Kath and the phantom. See how she makes unconvincing attacks on him, then votes other people?Now, this is very interesting, especially if we take into account the most recent turn: Kath asking tp if he's innocent and taking his word for it. I mean, huh? Wouldn't that be the perfect excuse for her not to vote her fellow and stick to her rather forced and prolonged suspicion of me? (Actually, she could have asked that from an innocent tp too just to make it easier for herself - if her fellow is someone who's not currently under pressure that much, like Durelin. But then again, Kath herself is under quite a lot of pressure, so I'm not sure if this theory makes sense...)

Nerwen, if you accept that I am innocent we have a much higher chance of getting a wolf toDay and giving ourselves a chance.Sounds rather fishy...

And I for one am not going to take tp's word for it and assume he's innocent. That would be really silly. Even if he has said he will avoid outright lying, I think he would not really shy away from it in a situation like that.

So actually currently I'm thinking our wolves are Kath and tp. Why not Shasta? Well, he hasn't been around to make me suspicious of himself... :rolleyes: I wonder if that's what he's trying to achieve...

PS.
Actually I thought as a wolf she posted rather a lot, but I don't know. Nope. As a wolf I tend to post a little less because I have less to say and I'm constantly afraid I will make a slip. :rolleyes: (But that has nothing to do with my relative quietness in this game, I've just been more busy than usual - you know, I even wondered if I should join at all.)


edit: xed with the last six posts

[the phantom]

But it is really only me and Shasta that are up for the noose?
Depends on which way others go. I'm definitely not prepared to bet my life on the two of you. If left to me I'd lynch him, see if we're right, and start from scratch tomorrow. As I said earlier, I'm not trying to catch two today. Just one.

[Durelin]

The problem is you could always be behind this 'giant ploy' centered around you, but that is more ridiculous.

I think it's this game that has so far made me extremely grumpy today (and thus has pretty much ruined my day), so I'd really like to get this over with.

I almost want to vote Shasta just because he's not here.

Next post will be my vote...

[Durelin]

I'm definitely not prepared to bet my life on the two of you

I'm not betting much on them as a pair. The problem is I've basically ruled out you and Lommy (which may well be the mistake of a lifetime), so they're the only ones left!

Yeah, okay, so I lied...next post...

[Thinlómien]

Ah ok, no I didn't see that Lommy. But did you really have to be quite so defensive about it?Yeah, I thought you probably didn't. I just wondered why... And if I was being defensive, well, that was not intentional. ;):p

But it is really only me and Shasta that are up for the noose?Well, I could vote for tp too. I'd feel most secure about voting you, though.


edit: xed with Durelin I and Durelin II
edit2 - marked quotes

[the phantom]

Why not Shasta? Well, he hasn't been around to make me suspicious of himself... I wonder if that's what he's trying to achieve...
Yes, and that's why I feel that I don't want him to get away with it. Give Kath her credit, Lommy. She showed up and talked.

Or are you going to allow Shasta to run in here at the end and save himself? :rolleyes: That's possibly exactly what he's waiting for. Wait till crunch time and run in and apologize and make a plea.

[Thinlómien]

Yes, and that's why I feel that I don't want him to get away with it. Give Kath her credit, Lommy. She showed up and talked.

Or are you going to allow Shasta to run in here at the end and save himself? :rolleyes: That's possibly exactly what he's waiting for. Wait till crunch time and run in and apologize and make a plea.Well, I am giving Kath credit for being around, certainly. But she still seems suspicious... *grumblegrumble* And in case I didn't phrase it clear enough, voting Shasta is an option of me, even though I am currently slightly more suspicious of Kath and you. If Shasta is not going to be around to make me get an impression of him, maybe I just have to go and read his old posts to get some kind of impression... :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Okay, here's what I'm thinking. I'm no longer feeling like I'm being tricked into voting Shasta. I mean- who's pushing me towards it? I feel like I'm the one driving the bus, which makes me feel slightly better.

When Durelin was under the gun with Nog she came off innocent to me. Kath has seemed innocent today. Lommy hasn't pinged my radar much.

Yes, yes, I know... One of them has to be a WW! But two of them? It's possible, but I'd like to think that my instincts are slightly better than that.

[Thinlómien]

Yes, yes, I know... One of them has to be a WW! But two of them? It's possible, but I'd like to think that my instincts are slightly better than that.So maybe you are the other one... ;)

[Nerwen]

You know what? If both Kath and Shasta are innocent, and the wolf-pair is Lommy and phantom, Durelin and phantom or Lommy and Durelin... then you guys deserve to win. (And if it's Lommy... why, then we're quits.)

I doubt it, though.

[Kath]

Where's everyone gone? I need to vote now 'cause I have to leave soon. As things are I'm going to have to vote Shasta as I'm less sure of his innocence than I am of mine.

EDIT: Just got about three emails through from this thread, there you all are. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Now what would be hysterical is if Shasta is the Assassin and just couldn't be here to fight Nerwen's claim. :D

[Thinlómien]

Now what would be hysterical is if Shasta is the Assassin and just couldn't be here to fight Nerwen's claim. :DThat actually occured to me too but I really do trust Nerwen... (If she is a wolf :eek:, she deserves to win just for the boldness of it...)

[Thinlómien]

Are we actually doing anything or just waiting for the deadline to make a last-minute voting chaos? There is something deeply unsettling in this silence and consesus...

[the phantom]

If she is a wolf , she deserves to win just for the boldness of it...
Ha ha! Yes, I'd send her flowers and everything for doing something like that.

[Kath]

I hope you lot know you're keeping me from the pub by refusing to let me know just how close my neck is to being in a noose. :rolleyes:

[the phantom]

Oh, come on Lommy. Surely you realize why everyone's waiting. The WWs don't know how things are going to go, and the innocents are scared of making the wrong choice and dooming the village. You can't tell me that you're not nervous. My stomach is churning. It hasn't been like this since the final day of Fea's village with SPM and Mith.

[Kath]

Alright, this is ridiculous.

++SHASTA

[Kath]

Oh - are we going with the 'Downs clock? 'Cause that gives us 20 minutes yet.

[Thinlómien]

Oh, come on Lommy. Surely you realize why everyone's waiting. The WWs don't know how things are going to go, and the innocents are scared of making the wrong choice and dooming the village. You can't tell me that you're not nervous. My stomach is churning. It hasn't been like this since the final day of Fea's village with SPM and Mith.Of course I'm nervous - obviously I am if I find simple things like a little silence deeply unsettling... you know, I just got this nagging feeling that maybe it's you and Dury after all... Oh this game is just horrible. :D And you shouldn't really have mentioned chruning stomachs - mine started that too now...

edit: xed with Kath x2

[Thinlómien]

Oh - are we going with the 'Downs clock? 'Cause that gives us 20 minutes yet.We are. At least we have done so this far...

[Kath]

Well, guess it is 'Downs time then. And I have to go before my parents kill me in RL. :rolleyes: I'm not returning again now.

[Durelin]

I think Kath and tp are a good possibility....but what the heck's with Shasta...

Sorry, I have been quiet because I got a phone call.

[the phantom]

I just got this nagging feeling that maybe it's you and Dury after all
Or you're a WW who is still hoping to save her fellow from the lynch. You're probably safe for today, but I'm going to be looking at today's posting carefully tonight to see if you are the likely accomplice.

[Durelin]

Arrrrrgh.

++Kath

[the phantom]

Okay, so here's what we know. If Shasta and Kath are both innocent, the game is over.

[the phantom]

Unless the voters were WWs.

[the phantom]

So Nerwen, which way are you going? We know you're innocent.

Lommy- which way are you leaning? Let's not have a flurry.

[Thinlómien]

Or you're a WW who is still hoping to save her fellow from the lynch. You're probably safe for today, but I'm going to be looking at today's posting carefully tonight to see if you are the likely accomplice.Oh come on... who's my fellow? Shasta? (Well, actually, judging by what I've said about him toDay, he maybe could be... ;) But of course he's not, because I have no fellows, I'm all alone here and can't trust anybody but myself and maybe Nerwen. *sniff*)

And how come you're so sure there will be a toMorrow? Are you a wolf who feels his fellow (Shasta or maybe Kath) will be lynched toDay?

edit: mass xed eek the time

[the phantom]

Kath for Shasta
Dur for Kath

[Thinlómien]

I don't really know... Aieee.... Kath feels both more guilty and more innocent...

edit: xed with tp

[Thinlómien]

Hmm... I'd rather spare Kath after all. She was innocentish today. Maybe. We can always lynch her toMorrow as I hope there will be one...

[Nerwen]

Time's just about to run out.

Let's get this over with:

++Shasta.

Personally, I think we're doomed, anyway.

EDIT: X'd since Lommy at 661.

[the phantom]

I'm going to leave Kath alive. Shasta must go. Voting now.

[Thinlómien]

++Shasta

Let the doom come...

[the phantom]

+ + Shasta

[Macalaure]

Deadline.

Let the doom come, indeed. ;)

[the phantom]

Well, we know who the WWs will be killing tonight.

See ya Nerwen.

[Nerwen]

Farewell...

[Rikae]

You know, it's a shame - Mac had a great werewolf-lynching narration all planned out, and he never got to use it...

please hold off on discussion until we have the final narration up, which won't be long.

[Rikae]

Thus started the day that should be the last the expedition was going to see. During the night before, the wolves had been nervous. In her last words before falling asleep, Brinniel made a remark that got the wolves startled:

I really hope both of you aren't wolves.

Were they not doing as well as they thought? Were the innocents actually on their trail without noticing it? Brinniel had to go in any case... but would anybody guess the reason behind it?

They continued to be nervous when the day started. Nerwen, who revealed herself as the assassin stood before them upright: Well, it's clear now: the evil ones are Lommy and the phantom.

The wolves gasped. Busted. they thought. But then Nerwen laughed: Nah, I'm just kidding.

I'm really finding it hard to think of Lommy and phantom as guilty. Durelin added.

The wolves took a look at each other. Could it be that some of the surviving villagers were also secretely on their side? Even though most of the village seemed convinced of their innocence, they couldn't feel secure just yet. Not with the loner roane glaring at one of them, and interrupting the discussion now and then to cry "Now can we kill him? Please please please?", nor with the unemployed bum occasionally accusing the other.

But eventually the villagers grew weary of their march and their debate. Kath was the first to decide; declaring "this is ridiculous!" . Kath was the first to decide; declaring "this is ridiculous!" announced her wish for Shasta's death.

Durelin, however, disagreed, and sounding her barbaric "Arrrrrgh." into the world, vowed to lynch Kath.
Okay, so here's what we know. If Shasta and Kath are both innocent, the game is over. the phantom concluded, surpressing a grin.

After that, the expedition finally lost heart, and considering themselves doomed anyway, agreed with Kath. They never got to do what they planned to do, though. As soon as it was clear to him that his death would be the death of the entire expedition, and that his arch-enemy would be among the victors, his own prophecy fulfilled itself: Shasta's head exploded, covering those willing to kill him in his blood.
The innocents were stunned. Only Nerwen screamed:

These wolves are enemies beyond our strength. Run!

~*~

The villagers still outnumbered the wolves 3 to 2. If only they could reach the entrance again before sleep overtook them, perhaps they could still escape...

a fresh breeze drifted down the corridor, renewing their hope, and they hurried forward, fighting to keep their eyes open, each watching the other suspiciously out of the corner of an eye, wondering if this was one of the two waiting to slaughter them all in their sleep. Gradually they noticed the light beginning to change - taking on a quality of natural light. Durelin fancied she could hear birds singing - but birds? Here in the far north? It couldn't be....

suddenly, she awoke to find she had collapsed on the floor. Sitting up, she saw that Kath and Nerwen had fallen also - and, looking further ahead, she saw, unmistakably, the exit to the tunnel. But before she could rise, the wolves were upon her.


*~*

Dead:
Macalaure and Rikae (mods) - killed by wolves and turned into faulty quenya in Night One
Kitanna (ordo) - lynched by a pointless mob on Day One
Lalaith (ordo) - severed from her chalk, and her head, in Night Two
Groin Redbeard (ordo) - died from exhaustion on Day Two
Gwathagor - (seer) turned into a talking corpse on Day Two
Mithalwen - (cobbler) made into a diverse set of items in Night Three
Feanor of the Peredhil - (ordo) visionary whose body was turned into abstract art on Day Three
Formendacil - (cobbler) killed by assassin in Night Four
Nilpaurion Felagund - (ordo) choked on his own tale in Night Four
Nogrod - (ordo) died in a battle of wits on Day Four
A Little Green - (cobbler) ripped in two in Night Five
Eönwë - (cobbler) fell to his death on Day Five
Brinniel - (ordo) stabbed by her own junk in Night Six
Shastanis Althreduin -(ordo) saw his prophecy fulfilled on Day Six
Nerwen - (cobbler assassin) devoured in Night Seven
Kath - (ordo) devoured in Night Seven
Durelin - (ordo) devoured in Night Seven

Alive:

the phantom - (wolf)
Thinlómien - (wolf)

The game has ended.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Congratulations, wolves! You guys were awesome. Total nail-biter there at the end...

[Macalaure]

To quote Kath's signature: Great ordos of disappointment! :p

You may start discussing now.

[Durelin]

Congrats you two, obviously had no idea.

Apologies to Nogrod.

[Thinlómien]

*gloatgloatgloat* Oh, my first real success ever as a wolf. :D This was just great. I'm sorry for Kath, though. :D

[Durelin]

Great ordos of disappointment!

I must say I have found such remarks...not fun.

[Eönwë]

Wow! My plan worked!

That was a very interesting game. And my first as a non-ordo. Congratulations, wolves!

[Lalaith]

Arggh! I've been screaming at the screen now for days!
WW IV!! WW IV! He was just the same!

Well done. Great playing.

[Durelin]

Well, shouldn't have said anything without thanking Mac and Rikae and everyone else for a great game! I especially enjoyed the narration about my attacking Nog...heheh.

[Eönwë]

Thanks Mac and Rikae for a great game!

Really liked the narrations!:D (especially mine).

x-ed: wait, I don't need to do that anymore do I?;)

[Thinlómien]

Sorry to have killed you so early, Lal, by the way... you just looked like the Assassin...

Well, shouldn't have said anything without thanking Mac and Rikae and everyone else for a great game! I especially enjoyed the narration about my attacking Nog...heheh.100% seconded, every word of it. :D This was just great, thanks so much!

[the phantom]

You know, it's a shame - Mac had a great werewolf-lynching narration all planned out, and he never got to use it...
He had one planned? I'm insulted. :p

Lommy, m'dear, you were an excellent partner. Much of my motivation was not wanting to let you down.

And Lalaith, it was WW X! How could you forget? *pouts* You were a great partner in that game. That's partly why I was glad to be rid of you early. You've been a WW with me before.

And Cobblers- thank you very much. None of you got Lommy or I lynched, and that's a fine accomplishment seeing as you were all flying blind.

Oh, and Kath, it was fair for me to deny being a WW. Remember in Fea's game when I showed everyone that as a WW I never denied being a WW? When I said that I prefaced it with this-
All right, everyone, mark down this day on your calendar- for this is the day that the phantom has been forced to completely remake himself. From this village onward I will play in a slightly different way, for I am now revealing how I have played up until now thus making it impossible to continue.
So my lie was fair game I think. It didn't feel terribly sporting, but I felt like I had little choice.

I'll say much more about kill choices and such later. Right now I'm off to Buffalo Wild Wings to watch football! :cool:

[Brinniel]

You know, I had this strong feeling that my final comment was gonna get me killed... :rolleyes:

And the possibility that you two were wolves was something I truly worried about once deadline hit. I don't think I would've gone after both of you (as usually such comments I make are wrong)....but had I been alive I probably would've gone after one of you (though it's truly hard to say for sure since I died). Mostly because the entire time I was reading through the final Day, I had this horrible feeling that Kath and Shasta were indeed innocent.. :eek:

Okay, I was duped Day 5. But it's slightly comforting to know that it really wouldn't have made a difference if I voted tp. That's what happens when both wolves are always the final voters..

Anyways, well played you two. You definitely kept us all confused...and while there were times I wondered about you guys, my suspicions were never actually strong enough to vote so.

Btw, great game Mac and Rikae. I loved my death scene. :)

[the phantom]

Mac and Rikae- the modding was humorous and clever and entertaining. Fantastic job.

[Nerwen]

Well, there you go, Lommy– you got me, Durelin and Nogrod back for WW whatever-it-was.

Brilliantly played, both of you!

Oh well, at least I got to kill Formendacil.

[Durelin]

You two really are quite good at finding cobblers, aren't you? :p

Dang, Lommy - I went back to look at a game in which you had been a wolf, because I don't remember ever playing in a game in which you were one, and you seemed so different!

phantom...I don't know if I really played with you before the second DW game, so I was so back and forth. I didn't want to give you the satisfaction of being lynched or of winning as a wolf. :p Near the end there I started feeling like you were maniuplating like crazy. I had started writing a post in which I discussed how all these things seemed to be centered around you that you must have set it all up, but I then got distracted...

I'll go ahead and say it for him: Once again no one listens to Shasta and look what happens? Sorry, man. At least I didn't vote for you. ;)

[Durelin]

Nerwen, you did such an awesome job just staying alive! Thank you for all your help! You would've gotten more cobblers, the wolves just kept beating you to it... :D

[Brinniel]

Dang, Lommy - I went back to look at a game in which you had been a wolf, because I don't remember ever playing in a game in which you were one, and you seemed so different!
Indeed, I remember her being much louder as a wolf previously. This was a completely different Lommy-wolf...

Btw, I knew there was a reason why I was scared of tp. Many times I was tempted to vote him solely for that reason...but after making that very mistake with Fea, I sort of backed off and decided I needed a better reason to lynch him...

[Eönwë]

I was wondering whether to get myself killed on Day 5 or 6. But then I saw that my decision was made up for me anyway... And I couldn't think of a good way to look suspicious from my position without looking too suspicious (i.e. cobbler).

[Nerwen]

I'll go ahead and say it for him: Once again no one listens to Shasta and look what happens? Sorry, man. At least I didn't vote for you. ;)


Yes– I'm so sorry, Shasta.:( I think you're under some kind of curse... like Cassandra– it is fated that you will always be right and no-one will ever believe you... Your parents didn't anger some supernatural being or other when you were a baby, did they?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

but after making that very mistake with Fea, I sort of backed off and decided I needed a better reason to lynch him...

Take my advice on that, love: there is no better reason to vote for the phantom than "just in case."

[Lalaith]

Thanks to Mac and Rikae, I too loved the narrations - I particularly enjoyed the Princess Bride Nog/Durelin one...

I guessed right away it was phantom who had killed me. A double-bluff, and he's the one bold enough to do it...and yes, of course it was WW X. Sorry, old chap. :Merisu: And if I hadn't been a wolf with you before in that game, seeing you work at close quarters, I doubt I would have spotted you in this one.

Lommy I didn't suspect at all until after Greenie's death. Wouldn't it be funny, I thought, if the family had one of each...and then gradually it all made sense, although I didn't really suspect you properly until today. But I've never seen a Lommy-wolf before...and you are scary. Really scary.

I really thought Fea was a Cobbler. Greenie, I had no idea at all. Nor Eonwe actually.

[Nerwen]

I just came back to say: let's salute the Cobblers!

Very talented lot you are... pity three of you were so good you managed to fool your own side as well...

[Kath]

Why oh why oh why oh WHY do I never trust myself. I had Lommy and phantom from Day 2 but let it go. *headdesk* Could someone please start a support group for people who just will not allow themselves to be right? :rolleyes: I knew Lommy was evil, I KNEW it.

[Nogrod]

Oh my, what a disaster!

I was quite sure that either tp and/or Brinn were wolves when I died. I just decided to go for making believable-looking suspicions for many enough people to get through the Night when the lynch came... I mean, I really didn't see it coming. Thank's to Lommy it came... without tp needing to dirty his fingers on it. :rolleyes:

I asked via a text-message from Lommy whether I should feel bad for her and the village or congratulate her after my lynch and she replied I should congratulate her! :eek:

That was just awesome Lommy! I suspected you on Day1 with a good (right) reason but somehow managed to miss that one entirely as the time went by...

And well done the phantom, even if I was getting more sure about your guilt Day by Day. Sadly I had no chance to raise a case against you before I was dead... (I would have done it the next Day)


But it was really fun as long as it lasted.

Thanks Rikae and Mac for entertaining narrations and a nice idea. Sad we went OOC so early. It would have been fun to continue a bit more in that way as the set-up was so funny.

Two wolves skillful enough can make complete fools of an entire village it seems - even if they kill the majority of their helpers themselves... :D

[Formendacil]

Well, there you go, Lommy– you got me, Durelin and Nogrod back for WW whatever-it-was.

Brilliantly played, both of you!

Oh well, at least I got to kill Formendacil.

Good grief! What took you so long?



Oh, and of course the phantom was a wolf... that was plain to see as an observer after my death (well, way after my death, to be more accurate, since I've been on retreat until today)--although unfortunately prior to my death I wasn't around to analyze.

Although, as a cobbler, I figured that wasn't going to be a bad thing.

[A Little Green]

*Gloat* (Am I allowed to do that?)

I just came back to say: let's salute the Cobblers!

Very talented lot you are... pity three of you were so good you managed to fool your own side as well... Well yeah - my tactic was at first to play like a silly, newbie-ish wolf might. I intended to start playing it bolder towards the end but was killed before I got that far.. Unfortunately I wasn't much suspected, I guess I was too cautious and just ended up playing a bit more stupidly than I really would have. :rolleyes:

phantom and Lommy, you were just awesome, both of you.. Congrats!

:smokin:

[Nogrod]

Btw. I think the single most effective trick those two fabulous evil-doers did was the killing of Mith.

At least I kind of counted them out from my list of possible wolves at that time just because of that. No, no, Lommy and/or the phantom wouldn't kill Mith during the Night at least so early... no, no... :rolleyes:

Finally I started suspecting tp to be sure and was getting more and more convinced but Lommy stayed "sleeping under my reindeer" to the end largely due to Mith being killed...

Excellent game!

[Thinlómien]

I really found it funny that we ended up killing half of the cobblers. What actually makes me laugh is that we seriously considered killing Form on Night2 because we wondered if he was a very bold seer who had caught tp... he was kind of making seer hints, too.

You know, I had this strong feeling that my final comment was gonna get me killed...It really wasn't that... we killed you because we figured it makes little difference who we kill and I thought you are most probably the Assassin. (Nerwen was my second option. She would have been my first guess but somehow her inactivity and access problems made me consider her an ordo...)

Speaking of that, would you Nerwen tell us who did you hunt during the game?

Well, there you go, Lommy– you got me, Durelin and Nogrod back for WW whatever-it-was. Ah yes. :D Now I don't need to be so wary about you anymore... do I?

Dang, Lommy - I went back to look at a game in which you had been a wolf, because I don't remember ever playing in a game in which you were one, and you seemed so different!I know. Maybe I've just learned to be evil - in my previous wolf games I've been lynched on Days 1, 2 and 3 and once I was pretty much a known wolf very early on, but couldn't be lynched.

Yes– I'm so sorry, Shasta. I think you're under some kind of curse... like Cassandra– it is fated that you will always be right and no-one will ever believe you... Your parents didn't anger some supernatural being or other when you were a baby, did they?I'm sorry too. But as for the curse, I think it's more like if he had managed to anger some god by not returning his/her love, according to the original story... ;)

Lastly, I find it funny that everybody kept saying I'm so very quiet. Maybe I was a little quieter than normal, but I had the second most posts on the thread. So not really quiet at all. I just wonder - has there ever before been a ww game where the wws have the most posts and win? :smokin:

[the phantom]

Near the end there I started feeling like you were maniuplating like crazy.
Aw, thanks. ;)
Unfortunately I wasn't much suspected, I guess I was too cautious
Yeah, that's kind of why we killed you. I looked and you and you didn't seem to be trying to make enemies and get yourself killed, so I figured if you were a Cobbler you were taking a risk and had to expect that we might kill you.
I just wonder - has there ever before been a ww game where the wws have the most posts and win?
Yeah, I noticed when the game ended that we had the most posts. I wouldn't bet it's happened often.

As far as killing Mith...

*sigh*

It really was tough to do. We did in fact suspect her of Cobblery, but bumped her off anyway.

If she was a Cobbler, we figured she had helped me the day before because she thought I was a WW. And we figured she thought I was a WW because she thought Fea was the Seer at the time.

But then Gwath died and was proved the Seer, and thus I was worried that she would turn against me, no longer being confident about my identity. The last thing I wanted was a Cobbler who thought me to be good as well as respected my abilities enough to know that I needed to be killed for the good of her team.

Plus killing her bought me some innocence in the eyes of some, as I suspected it might. That was a huge bonus about the move. In addition she appeared to be Seer-dreamed-innocent, and WWs rarely leave those around.

And lastly she announced that she would be gone for a day, and so it seemed rather sporting to kill her right then. That pushed us over the edge on the kill choice. That and she had tried to lynch Lommy.

We killed Nilp because the village had been to our liking the day before without him in the mix, so we figured if we kept the same people around things might go well again.

Brin was a bit of a yeah-whatever pick. We figured that no matter who we killed things could go in any direction, and that it would simply come down to how we played it during the day.

[Thinlómien]

And just to add a few words about killing Mith, it also was because it looked like Gwath had dreamt of her. Who did you actually dream of, Gwath? Was it indeed Mith and Groin or something else?

[Brinniel]

At least I kind of counted them out from my list of possible wolves at that time just because of that. No, no, Lommy and/or the phantom wouldn't kill Mith during the Night at least so early...
Yeah, I think a lot of us mistakenly pushed them aside (particularly tp) for that very reason. Though while reading Day 6, I noticed tp repeat the "why would I kill Mith if I were a wolf?" argument. The fact that he repeated it made me suspect much more....it's a shame I was already dead by then. :rolleyes:

It really wasn't that... we killed you because we figured it makes little difference who we kill and I thought you are most probably the Assassin.
Brin was a bit of a yeah-whatever pick. We figured that no matter who we killed things could go in any direction, and that it would simply come down to how we played it during the day.
Now, should that make me feel any better about dying? ;)

But really, I've noticed that I seem to be often picked for the whatever-kill. :D

Who did you actually dream of, Gwath?
I'll second that question. Who did you dream of?

[Macalaure]

I have to say this game went quite a different way than we thought it would. We expected one wolf to die eventually (misguided cobblers, seer dream, or a wolf mistake) and one cobbler to survive to make it to the end and create some paranoia. It was really fun to follow the game with our knowledge, just not the way we thought. :D

I was a bit concerned about the wolves ability to make it through until the end because of the attention that tp was inevitably going to get and Lommy's dislike for the evil role, but you two did marvellously. With Eonwe basically killed by you as well, you disposed yourselves of almost all your helpers on your own, and yet managed to go through the game without being suspected much at all. *bows*

And then seeing Shasta being right, but not listened to, from the beginning on...

You know, I had this strong feeling that my final comment was gonna get me killed...

That was so hilarious from our point of view. :D

Great and very entertaining game everyone!

And thanks for liking the narrations. :)


Hoping that Gwath and Nerwen won't mind, here are their picks:

Gwath dreamt of Groin during Night 1 and Mith during Night 2, so your deductions were correct.

Nerwen hunted Lalaith during Night 2, missed her kill the following night, then killed Form, and went after Durelin during Night 5.



I must say I have found such remarks...not fun.

Aww, I'm sorry Durelin. I was just kidding, no offense meant.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I swear, every time it comes down to a make-or-break day on this forum, a thunderstorm rolls in and knocks out my internet.

Not that I wouldn't have been lynched anyway. I mean, why on earth would someone EVER listen to ME? It's not as if, y'know, I've ever been right, or anything.

I cannot believe you let Phantom win. Arrrrgh.

~A very frustrated and annoyed Shasta~

[Durelin]

Aww, I'm sorry Durelin. I was just kidding, no offense meant.

Hehe, sorry, I know...I don't mean to be whiney, it's just there were several comments (not saying several comments just from you) that seemed like they were critical and when I'm feeling stupid, it doesn't matter if it's meant all in good fun... >< ;)

I'm sorry, Shasta. I really didn't feel you were a wolf for most of the game, and I wonder if I might have put more stock into what I was thinking about phantom if you were around declaring how evil he was...hindsight, but who knows...and not that that will make you feel better...

[Nerwen]

Plus killing her bought me some innocence in the eyes of some, as I suspected it might. That was a huge bonus about the move.

Also, the fact that Mith turned out to be a cobbler made me more-or-less drop my suspicions of Lommy. I thought I'd been manipulated into distrusting the dear little penguin.:rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

I would say I was an inadvertantly successful cobbler... I forgot that I shouldn't draw attention to Lommy's oddness and really TP is too much fun to kill early even if I could see the blood dripping from his fangs.... ;)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hmm, I thought I'd just say a few words here even though I didn't play, but I have been more or less following the game, as I promised, and it was enjoyable even to read (although I caught myself several times wishing to post, and believe me, I really felt like "noo, why can't I post right now, I want to!!!" :D Probably the WW break was too long for me). A nice game indeed, shame I couldn't have played (but considering the way it went, maybe it's for the best). I really had to laugh at poor Brinn or Nerwen saying "if it's Lommy and phantom... but no, sure they aren't"... :rolleyes:

And well done Mods!

P.S.
Oh my, what a disaster!
Ahem.

[Gwathagor]

That was fun. I enjoyed being a seer, if only for a few days.

[Durelin]

All in all, I think it was a quite epic ending to be left with 0 cobblers and both wolves!

(PS: Is everyone ready for another game? :D)

[Rikae]

This game was so entertaining to watch as a mod! Well, not that I really count as one. :rolleyes: I've been meaning to apologize publicly to Mac - I was the one who suggested modding a game together in the first place, and I originally intended to do half the work, but something kept getting in the way and he ended up doing most of it. (I helped a little behind the scenes, but really, I don't deserve credit for this game - he does.)