Game Thread: Werewolf- this time it's real!

[Isabellkya]

Nilp and Izzy are revealed baddies?

How so?

It looks like you are going purely off of voting yesterDay.


Shall I echo yesterDay? Perhaps rereading the entire game thread would remind you that I'd thought Sally suspicious since Day two.

[Kent2010]

There are only 6 unknowns left

Nilp
Isabellyka
Shasta
Gwath
Lariren
Greenie

Three of you have to be wolves. Greenie is not one, no debate open there. There was a clear effort halfway through yesterday to deflect the votes away from Nilp and go after Sally. You leading the way with 4 bonus, and to expect me to throw that out the window because you were suspicious of Sally since Day 2 is not going to happen.

Like I said, I already know two of you, and from this post forth, I will say no more to either of you, because the rest of the innocents, with all your bonus votes, we have to think of some way to get out of this, if there even is an escape.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Sorry for the delayed vote list, but this just popped into my head.

Anyone who can hold their votes until close to the deadline, do so.

I will think well of you for that.

The baddies would normally look for the first stone cast, and then build up on it.

If they have somehow used their bonus votes, and do not yet command a majority, then let's not give them the chance.

If they already command the majority then let them enjoy being known victorious baddies.

That is all.

[Isabellkya]

Why is Greenie not a wolf?

If I didn't have the villages best interest in mind, I would vote you purely for the reason that you are being closed minded to reason and logic. You see one thing, quickly assume what has to be the only "logical" answer, then completely tune everything else out.

A clear effort to deflect votes away from Nilp? Why would I deflect votes away from him?
I never said for you to throw anything out.
Yes, I did vote for Sally. As I said I would. As I have done for the past three Days. Why would I not vote for someone I was suspicious of?

[Kent2010]

Ok I take back, not responding, but after this no more responding to you, I swear. Whoever said Grima blocked Form's ability that one night? That is what we both said happened, but is that what actually happened? Check the Luthien rules if you are confused. ;)

[Isabellkya]

Form said his dream was blocked, why would he lie?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

The DAY 4 vote list (times are in GMT+8, known innocents are underlined):

08:12 Nilp - Sally (+4)
Sally - 5

04:41 Green - Sally
Sally - 6

05:24 Kent - Nilp (+4)
Sally - 6, Nilp - 5

09:19 Lari - Kent (+2)
Sally - 6, Nilp - 5, Kent - 3

09:40 Sally - Kent
Sally - 6, Nilp - 5, Kent - 4

10:10 Fea - Sally
Sally - 7, Nilp - 5, Kent - 4

11:56 Form - Nilp (+2)
Sally - 7, Nilp - 8, Kent - 4

12:34 Sally - Nilp (+4) (from Kent)
Sally - 7, Nilp - 13, Kent - 3

12:59 Shasta - Gwath
Sally - 7, Nilp - 13, Kent - 3, Gwath - 1

12:59 Gwath - Sally
Sally - 8, Nilp - 13, Kent - 3, Gwath - 1

01:00 Izzy - Sally (+4)
Sally - 13, Nilp - 13, Kent - 3, Gwath - 1

[Kent2010]

To protect the person he transmitted the dream silly. :D

[Isabellkya]

Uhhh huh. Why would he of not used it this last Night? Knowing he was most likely going to die? To extract one more dream.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I was so lazy I even forgot to put bullets and group crossvotes.

Is Shasta a known innocent? Cos I'm highly suspicious of him.

(Will do a more thorough reading of yesterDAY's posts now.)

[Isabellkya]

You are now fined the rest of your votes for such laziness Nilp.
Err well, perhaps cookies?
Money?

[Kent2010]

Because he had revealed 2 days ago and thought he was going to be dead then, but nope they went for Brinn. :D

[Isabellkya]

Uhhh huh.
Likely story there Kent.
Since when do you and Form share thoughts?
Or perhaps someone has made vast developments on the art of telepathy?
I know I've heard conspiracy theories about Government experiments and such things. As well as learning it in five days.. But I find this highly unlikely.

I'm glad I am of the mind, where I don't think known innocents are omniscient. There fore their word is no where near law.

[Isabellkya]

Which by the way.
Why haven't you voted yet?
You seen absolutely positive that both Nilp and Izzy are baddies.

[Kent2010]

I told you to check the Luthien rules for the answer. His whole Grima blocked his power was to protect the person he transmitted the dream to - ahem :D

Take notice though of how I popped in to seemingly randomly cast a vote for Nilp and now I will tell you to read the entire thread, particularly Formendacil's posts. :D

For me, it's work time.

[Isabellkya]

Your theory that he said his dream was blocked, so as to protect whomever he passed it to - is... down on the probability list I believe.

You think that the wolves would forgo killing him, just to go after a guess at whomever he could've given the dream to, and get it right?

Why would they even expect that he passed his dream on that night?

X'd with Kent.

[Kent2010]

Isabellyka, you have the timeline way messed up.

The day before Brinn died, Formendacil revealed. He thought for sure he was going to be dead that night. That is when he picked to transmit the dream to someone. Brinn was killed by the baddies, since they believed she really was Finrod (that is not disputed). Formendacil came out the next day and claimed Brinn blocked his dream, but that was merely for protection to make the wolves feel they had escaped a bullet. Brinn didn't block his dream, the dream came through clearly. :D

Now I really do have to go, so this will have to continue until I get back, but I will love to answer any further questions you have.

[Isabellkya]

How do I have the timeline 'way messed up'?
You've barely answered anything I've already questioned.

That Day, did he say 'I am Luthien?' He even said something close to 'I all but came out as the Seer'. Semantics man. 'all but' and 'revealed' are not the same thing.

Why would he need to make the wolves feel they escaped a bullet?
Why not come out yesterDay with the passed on dream result?
On what, Nilp? Green?. You've never specified.
Would've saved Sally from death. Would put us in a better position toDay.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Kent, you say I'm a Wolf?

Go ahead, bring it on. I'll take you down with me. ;)

[Isabellkya]

I think a glove smacking should be involved here.
Much more dramatic flair I think.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

As you wish, m'lady. :D

*is taking gloves off* Hmmm . . . why I get the sinking feeling that you two planned this? :p

(Oh, vy ze whey, will the real Finrod please not speak up? Hehe.)

[Isabellkya]

Ahaha.
This pub gets lousy YouTube results.
Otherwise I would've find a fitting video.
I thought Monty Python had one.
I know Homer Simpson does.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

All right, so we have:

two innocents cleared by Lúthien;
hoping Lúthien's last dream transmitted to an ordo (perhaps innocent); and
hoping that Finrod is not one of the aforementioned.

That means we have possibly four known innocents, that's half of the village.

Ah, but this bonus votes issue is skewing majority voting. >.< I'm hoping to have you four eliminate the four unknowns, so we'll have a 75% chance of getting one of the baddies.

What if we all agree not to use our bonus votes toDAY? Hmmm . . .

Oh, darn, it's a bad DAY for us if we have to resort to plans like this to have a chance of winning. It's like being forced to use your Encircled Terrain before he uses his Desperate Wager. (And you don't even know if the other side has anti-terrain meta.) >.<

[Kent2010]

Go ahead, bring it on. I'll take you down with me.
-Nilp
I'm all for a 1 for 1 exchange.

Why would he need to make the wolves feel they escaped a bullet?
-Isabellyka
I don't know why Formendacil did what he did, you can ask him afterwards. But, he was not completely lying when he said he didn't have a dream the prior night, because he wouldn't get the message when he transmits. He had no idea, but you should notice he trusted my Nilp vote, and did not vote for Sally, eventhough he appeared more suspicious about her.

Why not come out yesterDay with the passed on dream result?
On what, Nilp? Green?. You've never specified.
Would've saved Sally from death. Would put us in a better position toDay.
I needed more information. I couldn't just spill the beans immediately, everyone would jump on the bandwagon and we'd get nothing out of it. And based on the joke action we've had the past couple days, I was going to try and get whatever additional information I could by putting Nilp under pressure. The two bonus votes I added towards the end, I wasn't concerned about Thuringwethil, I wanted to see who and how far people would go to save him.

I can only assume the three feel they have a strong amount of bonus and thought it didn't matter if they blatantly save Nilp.

As far as Sally, I wrongfully assumed she was going to use her bonus to save herself.

Edit: I deleted my message above this, because I had accidentally hit "enter/post" in the middle of typing - I didn't change any words promise, just added the rest of what I wanted to say

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Let me get this straight--Kent, are you saying that Form sent you his dream about me, and I was a Wolf in it?

Is there a secret thing here about muddling the Lúthien dream?

This is why I've been rather heated when discussing this thing with you. I know what I am, and I know you are false when you are accusing me otherwise.

Please get vendetta out of this game. Otherwise I'll just get myself modfired and hand the Wolves the victory.

[Kent2010]

What if we all agree not to use our bonus votes toDAY? Hmmm . . .
-Nilp
I was going to suggest we dump them all, and that means everyone, we dump all bonus and that way we get a clean slate and may the best side win. ;)

[Kent2010]

Hmm...or we dump them all except for Fea, as she would be the only person with bonus we could trust at this point.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

If you can get blind rage out of your senses you can see I'm the only one toDAY who's been pondering how we can survive this DAY.

Green being innocent helps; let's just hope that Shasta and Gwath are both not evil.

I'll leave it to Finrod if he'll heed my plan in 773 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=594066&postcount=773). But the good side needs direction in their votes.

z.B. if Shasta is our Finrod, then:

Innocent:
Fea
Green
Kent
Shasta

Unknown:
Gwath
Izzy
Lari
Nilp

Then just proceed to lynch one of the unknown, without using bonus votes. But if one of them struggles (uses bonus votes), then have at xim, and force xim to draw out xyr allies.

[Kent2010]

If you can get blind rage out of your senses you can see I'm the only one toDAY who's been pondering how we can survive this DAY.
-Nilp
It's not blind rage, buddy, it was necessary for me to figure you out. I would be lying if I said today I wasn't suspicious of you and that was based on the voting action at the end of the day. And because of that you were the most convincing person I could fake.

I received no transmission, I've been doing whatever I can to gather information about people, because heaven knows action has been sparse. Now as I said people might not like my strategy and I apologize for causing any unwarranted frustration, but I assure you it was neccessary to help me figure you out.

You passed...that's a good thing. :)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

You, sir, are far better at eliciting reactions from people than I am. For that, I salute you.

I am most honoured to be in your first game.

Just hoping that somehow, we could pull off a win. (I also need to snap a three-game losing streak. >.< )

Last minute thoughts before I leave for supper (I'll be back right before the deadline; hoping I won't return to hear the baddies gloating):

I do hope the person we'll lynch (if we do get a Wolf) is not Thuringwethil; it would give us another target for tomorrow.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A minor correction: I'm on a four-game losing streak (Nogrod's DW, Mac's, Brinn's, and Durelin's.)

I hate dueling. :D :smokin:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And I would appreciate being the center of attention while I give it.

So if you would all just gather 'round...

[Lariren Shadow]

So Form was Luthien...and said this after I left and that Kent is innocent...oops with my vote...and now he's dead.

I was just wondering how we knew the vampire killed him and then noticed his bonus votes were gone. Ok so we should make sure to see what is going on with the bonus votes.

And I would appreciate being the center of attention while I give it.

So if you would all just gather 'round...

Do tell!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Do tell!

I'm waiting for a bigger audience. I'm also reading back in order to learn a few things, as I've been unforgivably lazy until now.

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm waiting for a bigger audience. I'm also reading back in order to learn a few things, as I've been unforgivably lazy until now.

It's not like I've been doing that much better :rolleyes:

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Kent, you're dead wrong when you say Form was lying to protect the person he transmitted his dream to the Night Brinn was attacked.

Because he wasn't lying. Because he hadn't transmitted his dream yet.

He saved that for last Night.

It was a pretty dream. Lots of colors. Well, just one, actually. My favorite.

All y'all listening?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

If Form hadn't already confirmed Kent as innocent, I'd smite him where he stood. Just sayin'. :rolleyes:

I saw some things I wanted to reply to, but I'll have to scroll back up to see them. I was distracted by the shininess of Fea's announcement.

[Isabellkya]

You needed more information?
I don't know if you've perhaps noticed... but we aren't exactly in a situation, nor were we - for scouting missions.

Had you come out with it yesterDay. Sally would be alive, and we would have more bonus votes at our disposal toDay.

If Form trusted your Nilp vote, then why didn't he use all of his bonus votes?

If it is true that Form passed on this dream to you, and if it is true that he is a Wolf/Vampire - then we should vote him toDay, as he has the least amount of bonus votes.

I say if, for a few reasons.

Now, if you would kindly specify for the record. Form passed on a guilty dream of Nilp? You are assuming Green is innocent?

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*is all about lynching Kent a hundred times over*

You've just wasted the villages time Kent.


X'd with Fea and Shasta.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Methinks Fea knows a wolf. :eek: Tell, tell!

[Isabellkya]

I hope she does.
I already want my money back for Kent's show.

xD

[Isabellkya]

Psst, you were in Sally's game Nilp.

[Gwathagor]

If it is true that Form passed on this dream to you, and if it is true that he is a Wolf/Vampire - then we should vote him toDay, as he has the least amount of bonus votes.


Go read post #779 - it seems that was a ploy on Kent's part to help him analyze Nilp.

Well, this has been a weird Day.

EDIT: Crozzed with Shasta and 2x Izzy

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I'm totally with you in booing him off the stage. :p

Uncharitable? Perhaps, and I don't deny that it did elicit reactions, but all I'll say is Nilp is an accomplished actor. :smokin:

Edit: X'ed with Izzy and Gwath.

[Isabellkya]

I was responding to posts as I read the thread Gwath.
You can see that by all of the dots - that is when I read his errm show reveal.

[Gwathagor]

I was responding to posts as I read the thread Gwath.
You can see that by all of the dots - that is when I read his errm show reveal.

Ok! I see.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Psh, now all y'all start posting...

Yes, in his dying moments, Luthiendacil bequeathed unto me such dream information that I found me a wolf, and her name, pretty little thing, is Green, and killing her is at the top of my list of priorities.

[Lariren Shadow]

So Form did pass on a dream to Fea?

Did he? I guess what I'm asking is this: He knew that Nog, Kent, Fea, and I think Brinn were innocent. Definatly the first three. Ok read that wrong, he did know that the first three are known innocents, maybe one of the Pippin because Brinn is dead.

But he got three Night dreams: Night 1, 2, and 3. Night 4(I think I have this right) he was blocked.

So he knew all of his dreams. He didn't pass it on, at least not that I can tell and not that is lining up. Unless he was bluffing about dreaming about Nog, who was dead at the time and therefore could have been said he was a dream to throw us off. We actually don't know and can't really trust what Fea will say even though we know she is an innocent, from the dreams.

Edit: x-posted with Fea.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Lari, darling of mine, who cross-posted with me from where you are working upstairs in the library from whence I type-

I absolutely defy you to claim my Green-reveal is invalid.

She is evil, and that's all there is to it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Lari, you're wrong. Form's dream of Greenie would have been for Night 5; even though he was killed, he knew that would happen, so he transmitted his dream to one of his known innocents. It's just lucky for us he happened to hit on a baddie.

This, however, presents a quandary. Given so far that the only three people left with all their bonus votes are Gwath, Greenie, and I... And given that all bonus votes used so far have counted... Since it's not Greenie, I think it's a pretty fair assumption that either Gwath or I is Pippin and thus our bonus votes are useless. I'm not sure we're going to be able to lynch Greenie even knowing she's a baddie.

[Isabellkya]

Hmm.

If true, will her mates try to save her?
Doing it openly? Or sneakily?

[Isabellkya]

How do you know that all bonus votes thus far have counted?

[Lariren Shadow]

Oh, ok then.

I was just wondering if the dream of the seer on the Night that he was killed would have been able to be passed on. Make sense?

I had no idea that Greenie was a wolf. That is something new...and I kept thinking she was innocent.

And Shasta explained it too.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

How do you know that all bonus votes thus far have counted?

Well, I'm pretty sure they have due to the vote counts listed right before each execution. I could go back and make absolutely sure, though.

[Isabellkya]

The vote counts were done by us players.
We could probably scratch a few names off the probably Pippin list.
But I think that is about it.

[Gwathagor]

Since it's not Greenie, I think it's a pretty fair assumption that either Gwath or I is Pippin and thus our bonus votes are useless.

I wish this had occurred to me before - I think I'll use at least one bonus vote toDay and we'll see whether I'm Pippin or not.

[Isabellkya]

Haha.
Wouldn't that be nice.

"My bonus votes are probably most likely useless, so it doesn't matter that I'm dumping ten votes on this innocent here."
*innocent lynched due to bonus vote usage*
"Oh well, whups. Didn't know, sorry."

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Why am I still awake?!

Psst, you were in Sally's game Nilp.I didn't count that as a win, sadly, cos a) I wasn't really playing; and b) I died when all I had to do was survive.

[Gwathagor]

Fea (6) - Apparently innocent
Green (10) - Apparently guilty
Gwath (10) - Possibly Pippin?
Izzy (4) - ?
Kent (0) - Apparently innocent
Lari (5) - ?
Nilp (3) - ?
Shasta (10) - Possibly Pippin?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Green is evil, huh? Hmm, this changes a lot of plans, I think.

EVIL
Green

UNKNOWN
Gwath
Izzy :)
Lari
Nilp
Shasta

GOOD
Fea
Kent

DAY 5: Green is lynched. 5-2
NIGHT 6: Fea is killed. 4-2
DAY 6: We stumble around, having a 60% chance of lynching an innocent, therefore losing the game.

No offence Formendeadcil, but this was not a good time to get a Wolf. :( (In terms of strategy, that is.)

Would it be possible for the five unknowns to analyse at least two of your unknown comrades? Get some analytical thinking done?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

How do you know either you or Shasta are possibly the Pippin, huh, Gwath? You haven't even used your bonus votes yet.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear . . .

[Gwathagor]

How do you know either you or Shasta are possibly the Pippin, huh, Gwath? You haven't even used your bonus votes yet.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear . . .

Shasta pointed out that only three people could possibly be Pippin: he, myself, and Green, because everyone else has used some of their bonus votes and wed know if they...no, darn, that's not true. Maybe Pippin already used some bonus votes, but got outvoted, so we wouldn't whether his/her bonus votes worked or not. Dang never mind.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Day 1:

Nilp - Sally (Sally1)
Kuru - Agan (Sally1, Agan1)
Fea - Agan (Sally1, Agan2)
Nienna - Nog (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1)
Agan - Kuru(1) (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru2)
Kent - Kuru (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru3)
Firefoot Kuru (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru4)
Form - Nilp (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru4, Nilp1)
Nog - Nienna, Kuru (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna1)
Gwath - Nienna (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna2)
Sally - Nienna (sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna3)
Izzy - Nienna (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna4)
Brinn - Nienna (Sally1, Agan2, Nog1, Kuru5, Nilp1, Nienna5)

Nienna lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - Nothing.

Day 2:

Greenie - Nog (Nog1)
Fea - Nog(4) (Nog6)
Shasta - Form (Nog6, Form1)
Form - Greenie (Nog6, Form1, Greenie1)
Lari - Kent (Nog6, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1)
Firefoot - Nog (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1)
Kent - Kuru(5) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1, Kuru6)
Izzy - Sally(2) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent1, Kuru6, Sally3)
Kuru - Kent(4) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru6, Sally3)
Nilp - Kuru(4) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru11, Sally3)
Brinn - Sally (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru11, Sally4)
Nog - Sally(4) (Nog7, Form1, Greenie1, Kent6, Kuru11, Sally9)

Kuru lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - It's not Nilp (bonus voted for Kuru) and it's not Kent (bonus voted for Kuru).

Day 3:

Kent - Brinn(1) (Brinn2)
Sally - Kent (Brinn2, Kent1)
Greenie - Nog (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog1)
Fea - Nog (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog2)
Shasta - Gwath (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog2, Gwath1)
Gwath - Sally (Brinn2, Kent1, Nog2, Gwath1, Sally1)
Form - Brinn(3) (Brinn6, Kent1, Nog2, Gwath1, Sally1)
Lari - Nog(3) (Brinn6, Kent1, Nog6, Gwath1, Sally1)
Kuru - Brinn(6) (Brinn13, Kent1, Nog6, Gwath1, Sally1)
Izzy - Sally (Brinn13, Kent1, Nog6, Gwath1, Sally2)
Brinn - Nog(10) (Brinn13, Kent1, Nog17, Gwath1, Sally2)

Nog lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - Nothing.

Day 4:

Nilp - Sally(4) (Sally5)
Greenie - Sally (Sally6)
Kent - Nilp(2) (Sally6, Nilp3)
Lari - Kent(2) (Sally6, Nilp3, Kent3)
Sally - Kent (Sally6, Nilp3, Kent4)
Fea - Sally (Sally7, Nilp3, Kent3)
Form - Nilp(2) (Sally7, Nilp6, Kent4)
Sally - --Kent, Nilp(4) (Sally7, Nilp11, Kent3)
Kent - +2Nilp (Sally7, Nilp13, Kent3)
Shasta - Gwath (Sally7, Nilp13, Kent3, Gwath1)
Gwath - Sally (Sally8, Nilp13, Kent3, Gwath1)
Izzy - Sally(4) (Sally13, Nilp13, Kent3, Gwath1)

Sally lynched. What this tells us about Pippin - It's not Izzy (bonus voted for Sally).

Alive players:

Kent
Lari
Shasta
Gwath
Izzy
Nilp
Greenie
Fea

Cannot be Pippin:

Kent
Izzy
Nilp
Greenie

Leaving:

Lari
Shasta
Gwath
Fea

as possible Pippins. Keep in mind that Finrod is still with us as well; if he's any one of the latter four, that narrows it down.

I hope that helps.

Edit: Forgot to clarify. In the vote counts above, alive players' votes are bolded.

[Gwathagor]

Very much, thanks.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Cos self-quoting is fun. :D

DAY 5: Green is lynched. 5-2
NIGHT 6: Fea is killed. 4-2
DAY 6: We stumble around, having a 60% chance of lynching an innocent, therefore losing the game.

No offence Formendeadcil, but this was not a good time to get a Wolf. :( (In terms of strategy, that is.)


Scratch that, we still have Finrod then. which means it's just a 50% chance of losing the game . . .

Not that much, but it helps . . .

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That's not taking bonus votes into account, though. >.<

I do hope Green's not Thuringwethil, and that the Three don't have vote majority yet.

I suggest everyone use their bonus votes on Green toDAY. Anyone who refuses to do so will be . . . consequenced. Rather terribly.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

If not in the game, then after it. Haha!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Well, I've got to go for a while, so I'm going to do this right now:

++Greenie

I will be back later. I'm holding my bonus votes for now because I want to see if any of her teammates will try and save her; if they do, then it may be pointless for me to use my bonus votes because they may end up having more anyway. Especially if Greenie is Thuringwethil.

Gwath, I humbly suggest you do the same (if you're innocent. If not, feel free to sacrifice yourself, I'm totally cool with that. :D)

[A Little Green]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Big bad wolf is coming to eat you! Woohooooo!

++ Fea (10)

Revenge! MWA-HA-HA-HAAA!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Real mature. :p

[Gwathagor]

++Greenie

Everyone else had better pitch in. I'll add bonus votes later to make sure she gets lynched.

[A Little Green]

I love being sentenced to death. Should do that more often. :D

I'm a wolf,
I'm a wolf,
I'm a little greenish wolf!
I'm a greeny wolf,
a greeny wolf,
a teeny weeny greeny wolf!

*humming*

Did you know that in addition to grey wolves and white wolves and whatever-colour-they-are-wolves there is a little subspecies of green wolves. But they are just a little green. Like me! Look, big cute puppy eyes! :Merisu: You won't lynch me if I bat my eyelashes will you?

[A Little Green]

Real mature.Real mature, it's a wolf's nature. ;)

[A Little Green]

WHEEEEEEEEEEE FLOOOOOOOOD-POSTIIIIING!!!

Hakuna matata
what a wonderful phrase
It's a problem-free philosophy!

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! Come on, kill me, you nasssty basssstards. Kill me! Wheeee! I hear roasted wolf can be pretty delicious. I've always wanted to be eaten. (Take that as a tip, Phantom. :p)

[Kent2010]

Isabellyka, my act today was that...showmanship, I had to find out about Nilp somehow, for good or ill, and that's what my stunt did.

++Greenie

I suggest everyone use their bonus votes today, except for Fea, she should keep hers and shouldn't have to worry about losing them as Thuringwethil attacked last night and can't attack for another two more days.

[Kent2010]

P.S. so instead of attacking my methods, every one knows I am innocent and therefor should not doubt my good intentions - maybe they are unconventional, but they are good none the less. How about you focus on - well finding Greenie's partners?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

1. You say you're sure about Nilp now, but what if you're wrong? Let me find a quote from you earlier...

Greenie is innocent. Of that I'm sure.

That's probably not your exact words, but your meaning was clear. Anyway, you were wrong about her. Who's to say you haven't misread Nilp as well?

2. No one is attacking your methods, you paranoid person. :p Professing to be irritated somewhat by them is entirely different from 'attacking'.

3. WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP SPELLING IZZY'S NAME WRONG. It's been giving me fits all game long! :D

[A Little Green]

Let me find a quote from you earlier...
Greenie is innocent. Of that I'm sure.That's probably not your exact words, but your meaning was clear. Anyway, you were wrong about her. Who's to say you haven't misread Nilp as well?Oh, that has nothing to do with the validity of Kent's evaluations. It's just that I'm charming enough to cloud his vision. This way: :smokin:

[Gwathagor]

I suggest everyone use their bonus votes today, except for Fea, she should keep hers and shouldn't have to worry about losing them as Thuringwethil attacked last night and can't attack for another two more days.

That's a good idea, IF everyone will agree to do it.

[Gwathagor]

Oh, that has nothing to do with the validity of Kent's evaluations. It's just that I'm charming enough to cloud his vision. This way: :smokin:

Yeah smoking's so hot.

[Isabellkya]

A few comments.

Would the Vampire use their five extra bonus votes on Miss Fea, to help guarantee she gets lynched?


Also take into account that whatever wolf kills tonight could have a 1/3 chance of turning whomever they choose. Unless they've used it already.


I'm in agreement with Shasta on this one. You said there was no debate in Greenie's innocence, and now you seem positive Nilp is as well.

Did you miss the part where Nilp wanted Finrod to out themselves?

Nilp, why are you certain Fea would be killed during the Night?

[Isabellkya]

As a show of cuddly Werewolf love.
Gwath and Shasta could each donate five bonus votes to the Lynch Greenie Campaign.

It is for a good cause.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I am hording, I am sure you understand why, my extra votes.

The problem with your suggestion, Izzy, is that Gwath thinks he might be Pippin. So even if both of them donate toward Greenie, who is obviously going to force us to use our votes to save me and kill her, we'll still need an extra five votes at least, just to make sure she actually dies.

[Isabellkya]

Well yeah.
But both of them can't be Pippin and both of them could be evil.

At minimum we need 11 votes, at max we need 16.

If they both donate, and one is Pippin and one is a baddie. Then that is at least five bonus votes, and max ten (if neither are Pippin).

Greenie is already at three, so we need eight or fourteen votes from everyone.

It would be too easy for both of them to not show back up, and to not use their bonus votes.

It would be silly for us to let Greenie live toDay.
Of course, those who choose not to use their bonus votes, are pretty much giving a signal that they don't have the village's best interest in mind.

[Kent2010]

And I was correct about Nogrod, Sally, Brinn (to a point - never thought she was Grima) and Formendacil, but horribly wrong about Kuru. What's the point? Nilp's reaction to my fake transmission is not something I would expect from a baddie, because that's something that you really can't argue. From Nilp's reaction I think it's pretty clear he's is innocent and frustrated because of how aggressively I went after him today, even faking a Luthien transmission.

Heaven forbid I'm actually trying to figure people out in my own way, but you could sue me for not being helpful if it benefits you. :rolleyes: It's been very sluggish posting wise in this game, and I felt like stirring the pot, forgive me for causing action and forcing reactions from people. I don't have the time, nor the experience or knowledge to analyze posts and everyone's votes, I'm going by a method that I trust has been moderately successful, despite a few epic failures.

Oh, that has nothing to do with the validity of Kent's evaluations. It's just that I'm charming enough to cloud his vision. This way:
-Greenie
I can't say Nogrod didn't warn me. :rolleyes:

[Kent2010]

Izzy if you want to prove to me you are innocent, dump all your remaining bonus on Greenie today.

[Kent2010]

Gwath and if you think you are Pippin you should have no qualms about using all your bonus today either, same goes for Shasta.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I submit that those voting for Greenie should vote, retract, and vote again. Like... now.

That way Green is solidly ahead of me for votes.

I will hold onto my bonus votes (the logic of this should be clear: I am a dreamed innocent who just handed the village a wolf by way of Luthiendacil trusting me enough to send me his last dream; if I was a baddie, I'd have kept information to myself; it's not like I'd need to lie) in the event that somebody else tries any funny business. It's no problem for me to stay up until deadline: I'm at work until then anyway. As is Lari.

The only question is, who do we force/enlist to vote Greenie?

[Kent2010]

The only question is, who do we force/enlist to vote Greenie?
-Fea
I say everyone except you. If there was a way we could figure out who Pippin is that would be a bonus, but at this stage it is not necessary.

We get the known wolf today, and there are several days (despite the limited information) of Greenie's interactions and people's interactions with her. We wouldn't find out anything about the votes today, but there's other stuff to go on, and I think the immediate issue is making sure Greenie is lynched today and making sure every one uses their remaining bonus.

I think it would be rather useless for the two unknown baddies to try something tricky, they would expose themselves and that would significantly increase Finrod's chances of a successful protection. And with Thuringwethil unable to kill for another two days would they really want to risk that exposure, and risk letting this slip out of their fingers when they have absolutely dominated so far?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Izzy :) , I am almost certainly sure Fea will be killed toDAY cos Kent has no more bonus votes, hence, less leverage.

Of course, I am being rather simplistic with this assumption, on so many levels. I'll leave it to y'all to figure out which. ;)

Hm, so the Wolfies don't command a majority yet? Or are they toying with us until before the deadline?

[Kent2010]

Hm, so the Wolfies don't command a majority yet? Or are they toying with us until before the deadline?
-Nilp
That's something interesting I didn't think of. If Shasta and Gwath were both wolves, they could have ended this already (especially with the votes taken from Formendacil). One of them could still be a baddie, but now I feel assured both can not be unless they are both just toying with us until the deadline.

Also, Fea, I would suggest if anyone still wants to horde their bonus (besides you of course), we could always retract our votes for Greenie and vote for that person, because I don't think we have to fear Greenie coming back, she's never been at the deadline before. At this point, I can't see why any innocent would want to horde their bonus, and that is why I advocate everyone get rid of them. Which means yes, vote, retract, and vote again, that is something we will have to try and enforce.

[Isabellkya]

Oh but Kent, I have no desire to prove to you that I am innocent.

Do you live in the US Kent? If so, then I could indeed sue you for not being helpful - and I just might win. Ya know... emotional damage and such. xD

I think it imperative that we lynch Greenie toDay. Also, to keep as many bonus votes on our side as possible.

If we make it through toDay and toNight, then we will be here toMorrow. To just dump all bonus votes toDay would be a huge mistake.
Unless, everyone agrees to have the bonus vote showdown toDay. Which I highly doubt.

[Kent2010]

If we make it through toDay and toNight, then we will be here toMorrow. To just dump all bonus votes toDay would be a huge mistake.
-Izzy
That is why it is imperative that all innocents have to save Fea and make sure she doesn't have to use her votes today. And if all unknown innocents do it, we will force the baddies to as well, because they would expose themselves, and make Finrod's protection choice a heck of a lot easier.

At this stage, bonus votes in the hands of unknowns only benefit the wolves, and it is imperative we not only lynch Greenie, but make sure Fea can horde her bonus.

[Isabellkya]

After rereading the pages tacked to the wall over there a few times, I believe I mistook how the stolen votes work.

If the Vampire chooses to use their stolen votes, and wish to use them on Fea - then they would have to actually vote for Fea.
Which would be a dead give away.

To stay hidden, they'd have to vote for Greenie and not use their bonus votes - thus not using their stolen votes.
So anyone not using their bonus votes toDay - is giving a signal of A)not having the village's best interest in mind and B) being guilty of being the Vampire. Save for Kent who doesn't have any, and Fea for being a known innocent.

So Vampire. As I believe I see it - either way you will be known and (hopefully) lynched toMorrow. xD

[Isabellkya]

Since people have said it is pretty much a given that Fea would be killed during the Night, would not the baddies choose a different target?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Since people have said it is pretty much a given that Fea would be killed during the Night, would not the baddies choose a different target?

Depends on whether or not they want to take that chance.

More importantly: I absolutely agree that all bonus votes must be used today. Voted, Retracted, and revoted.

Within the next hour.

Except for mine.

So:

Start voting for A Little Green.

Now.

[Kent2010]

I mean really at this point dumping bonus votes would be like nuclear disarmament. :D

It would be silly for anyone except for Fea to hold on to their remaining votes. Because...

1. We get Greenie today, the score is then 5-2. Obviously Greenie has to go today because the two other wolves don't have the combined power to over ride us, or this would be over already.

2. That leaves everyone with zero except for the known innocent Fea. It would be silly for Finrod then to not protect Fea during the night. If the wolves choose someone else it is 4-2, but the voting power would be in the village advantage.

-If they do risk it and go for Fea (to take out the bonus advantage), than the score is 4-1 (Finrod dies, but he would take out one of the wolves) and they are even in a worse situation...as we lose Finrod, but they lose another and we still have the voting advantage (because Fea would be saved).

3. If the wolves decide to play tricksy and keep their bonus today to have an advantage the next day they risk blowing the entire game. As they are then completely exposed, but during the night they would still have to make a successful kill to win, Finrod (and everyone else) would know who the remaining baddies are and they risk Finrod making a successful protection, essentially handing the game away.

-Because as said above the wolves today do not have a bonus advantage, and they will be seeking to try and get a bonus advantage. But anyone trying to horde their bonus to try and get an advantage exposes themselves as a baddie. In order for the wolves to win, they still need to make a successful kill and by blatantly exposing themselves, they risk handing the game away, as Finrod would be keyed in to the wolves, making a successful protection greater.

[Kent2010]

Or put it this way Izzy too, anyone who keeps their bonus, will be threatened by a mass retraction of Greenie and a pile up on said person hording their bonus.

[Isabellkya]

Why within the next hour?
Two hours until someone falls dead.

++Greenie


I don't know why, but I've this sneaking suspicion that we are missing something completely obvious.

[Isabellkya]

Why would you switch lynch targets?
Just setting yourself up for disaster.

I'm keeping my bonus votes for the moment, because I've voted so close to the clock striking midnight every Day - that I just can't bear to break with habit.
Not that I'll wait until the dinging.

[Kent2010]

Why would you switch lynch targets?
Just setting yourself up for disaster.
-Izzy


Greenie is a known wolf but she has expended all of her bonus, so if she survives today she won't have any power to save herself the following day. If you are hording your bonus you are benefitting the baddies that's it. If someone is hording them besides Fea that is not good, and every innocent should pile on their vote to the person trying to keep their bonus (you said yourself anyone who is hording their bonus except for Fea does not have the best interest of everyone in mind or they are the vampire), so anyone keeping their bonus I will assume is a baddie (or wants the baddies to win) and we will force that person to get rid of their bonus. Basically we can do it the nice way and agree to it, or the hard way and force everyone to dump their remaining bonus.

[Isabellkya]

By switching lynch targets you are..
A) not guaranteed they are a baddie
b) not guaranteed it will work. Mostly, not even a high probability of it working

[Kent2010]

False, we have already established if you are keeping your bonus, you don't have the best interest of everyone in mind, and right now you are purposefully keeping your bonus and being an obstructionist. So, you add all your bonus now, retract, and vote for Greenie again, or you are exposing yourself as a baddie to everyone and therefor it would be better to get rid of the baddie who is the bigger threat (the one with more bonus).

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Curses! I was making a thorough analysis of Green's posts, and then the browser crashes. >.<

Well, let's start again, dropping all mentions of everyone except the unknowns . . .

A Little Green analysis (highly condensed):

DAY 1

217 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=592902&postcount=217)
Said that Gwath, along with Form and Brinn (both known ordos) look innocent.

DAY 2

318 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593150&postcount=318)
Analysed the Nienna bandwagon. Gwath's vote (along with Sally's) looked like they made it due to Nog's case. Izzy :) looked better cos she was suspicious of her before the bandwagon started.

DAY 3

460 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593446&postcount=460)
Piped in on the bonus votes issue. Said that she agrees that the baddies probably plan to hold on to their bonus votes--like she did, coincidentally. :D But she tried to dissipate suspicion on those who hold on to theirs.

477 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593481&postcount=477)
Made a list:
Izzy and Lari were under the radar.
Gwath made her raise her eyebrows, but she exonerated him due to his posting.
Nilp she will keep an eye on.
Shasta's silence she understood, but his voting was strange to her. Interrogated Shasta rather thoroughly, but concluded that she really has no idea about him.

(Shasta responded in 517 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593547&postcount=517).)

484 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593494&postcount=484)
Went into hyper-defensive mode re the use/keeping of bonus votes.

493 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593518&postcount=493)
More on the bonus votes issue. I've put the links there so the rest of you can read what she actually said--so read them. :p

499 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593527&postcount=499)
Interrogated Gwath for his lack of vote the previous DAY.

505 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593534&postcount=505)
Was satisfied with Gwath's response. Polls the village for lynch targets.

511 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593541&postcount=511)
Suspected known innocents. Said she was thinking of voting for Gwath but he seemed innocent to her at this moment.

530 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593564&postcount=530)
Commented on Nog's hinting of a lupine conversation between Shasta and Brinn.

DAY 4

631 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593756&postcount=631)
Another list:
Gwath and Lari were under the radar.
Izzy was also under the radar, but her vote the previous DAY seemed throwaway to her.
Nilp needs closer looking at.
Shasta doesn't ring her alarm bells.

Said she will look more closely at Izzy.

637 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=593783&postcount=637)
Wanted to look more closely at Nilp or Izzy, but lacked the time.

DAY 5

Posts are of evil revealed.

Conclusions:
Lot of interactions with Gwath, mostly suspicion and then retraction.
Some interaction with Shasta, at first some suspicion on her vote, and then retraction.
Suspected Izzy the previous DAY, due to her vote.
Is rather wary of Nilp
No interaction with Lari, save for things said in the lists.
Said interesting things about bonus votes and the keeping thereof.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++A Little Green (+3)

[Isabellkya]

False.
After this, I'm done with this topic.

Changing the lynch target at the last minute - has a high probability of failing. I've read stories about it in various Werewolf libraries.
How are you guaranteeing that everyone will be gathered here, to do so?
How are you guaranteeing that the new target is even a baddie?

Furthermore - If I were a baddie, do you think I would've even brought up the subject? No.


You can continue to badger and holler all you wish.
I will be using my bonus votes, however as I said - I am keeping with habit.

Go feather ruffle those who haven't voted, hmm?
Or perhaps those whom said they would come back, and have yet to show up?


X'd with Nilp x2.

[Kent2010]

And that is why I say you are being an obstructionist, because you have been saying one thing (those who keep their bonus don't have the best interest of everyone in mind, or they are the vampire) but doing something completely opposite.

Because of that, I have to assume you are a baddie who wants to keep their votes to have more power tomorrow. Greenie is a known wolf but she has no more power, her votes are expended, you are showing your fur by trying to hold on to your bonus, so we would all be wiser to get rid of the baddie who has more power. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Just a note, people: Fea leads the vote by four.

[Isabellkya]

Izzy rifles around the bar and finds a roll of duct tape and a length of rope.
She then ties Kent to a chair and covers his mouth with the tape. Pressing play on a recording device she pulls out of her pocket - she forces him to relisten to the entire conversation the group has had.

X'd with Nilp.

[Isabellkya]

Isn't it only three?

[Kent2010]

Isn't it only three?
-Izzy
Perfect you can use your bonus now to save Fea. :)

[Isabellkya]

Izzy stares at the garbled "mrghp mrh yuh dfg wert mrbl nfrg mrgh lkmgh dfnf".

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, right, I forgot your vote. :o

If you will allow me to cleanse myself of this dishonour, m'lady . . . *prepares to commit seppuku*

[Kent2010]

And people say I'm unreasonable. :rolleyes:

The only reason you aren't using your bonus now is because you want the remaining innocents to use them and that way you can keep your power for tomorrow. ;)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Deeds, not Words, Kent.

Let them have their fun. If by 15 minutes before the deadline the bonus votes have not been used, then we'll proceed with your plan.

[Kent2010]

Hopefully by then it won't be too late, but I can agree with that, besides I still need to watch American Idol. :D

[Isabellkya]

++(4) to Greenie.

[Isabellkya]

Vote Tally

Shasta -> Greenie
Greenie -> Fea(10). 11
Gwath -> Greenie. 2
Kent -> Greenie. 3
Izzy -> Greenie. 4
Nilp -> Greenie(3). 8
Izzy +(4) to Greenie. 12

Greenie 12. Fea 11.

[Isabellkya]

Whups, forgot to add.

Left to vote: Lari and Fea.

Hopefully Lari makes it back to vote, otherwise she'll be modfired. :(

[Kent2010]

Muchos gracias Izzy.

And now to the others dragging their feet - *stares at Shasta and Gwath* - lets go cough 'em up.

[Kent2010]

And Lari too wherever you be.

[Isabellkya]

I don't know why.
But this feels too easy.

[Kent2010]

I'm curious to see whether the two unknown baddies are going to get tricksy and risk exposure - they would have to be very confident in their vote power the next day as well as having a successful kill.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh man, 15 minutes before the deadline, and we still have a lot of bonus votes unaccounted . . .

Gwath, Shasta, if you're there, and you're not a baddie, please speak up.

[Isabellkya]

I'm a bit curious as to why Fea hasn't at least regular voted for Greenie yet.

Though, still some minutes to go.

[Kent2010]

Well there's more invisible members viewing this forum than just us three, so more people are here

It might all be rather moot if Lariren isn't here though. :(

[Gwathagor]

--Greenie

++Greenie (+1)

Just in case. If I'm Pippin, then it won't matter if I use all my bonus votes or not. If I'm not Pippin, then I want to have some bonus votes for tomorrow to combat the last two wolves. If the other two wolves decide to try to lynch Fea instead of Greenie, using all my bonus votes on Greenie won't stop them. So I'm saving some for tomorrow.

[Gwathagor]

Wait, are we using up all our bonus votes? Is that's what's going on?

[Kent2010]

Just in case. If I'm Pippin, then it won't matter if I use all my bonus votes or not. If I'm not Pippin, then I want to have some bonus votes for tomorrow to combat the last two wolves. If the other two wolves decide to try to lynch Fea instead of Greenie, using all my bonus votes on Greenie won't stop them. So I'm saving some for tomorrow.
-Gwath
I was thinking that as long as you and Shasta had the same amount it would not technically matter if one of you was a wolf, because it would balance out (plus Fea's advantage).

But I think the bigger reason to use all bonus votes now is to prevent a secret retraction at the end. Right now Fea only leads by two and there could be a quick retraction to force Fea to use her votes. That would not be good.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If you force me to use my bonus votes, you idiots, the wolves deserve to win.

Cut the crap and dump the votes. The last day[s] are always insane enough without trigger-finger idiots and bad guys running around with extra ammo.

++Green

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Yes, Gwath. There will still be four of us, and only two (or even one) of them tomorrow. So we outnumber them. Holding on to bonus votes puts those innocents with none in a scary position.

I am inclined to think you innocent at this point, though, so at least using five would be enough (or at least just match Shasta's move, if he makes one.)

Good news is, I don't think Green is Thuringwethil, otherwise she would have used 15 bonus votes--don't think she'll be around right before the deadline.

[Kent2010]

I'm almost tempted to retract and vote for Gwath, what do you think Nilp, Fea? We have to do something and we have 5 minutes, if everyone drags their feet this is going to end in a mess.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Seriously, guys, if Pip voted for me, I'm dead anyway. Drop your votes for Greenie!

[Isabellkya]

Wouldn't the dream result differentiate between Vampire and Wolf?


X'd with Kent and Fea.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

No, Kent!

Greenie!

A KNOWN WOLF. You don't NOT kill a known wolf!

Vote now before deadline!

[Isabellkya]

Both Gwath and Izzay can not retract anymore toDay.
you stage a change and I will lynch you Kent.
Too risky.


X'd with Fea.

[Kent2010]

Plus we wouldn't have the power in this situation - I was just assuming that eventhough Greenie was a known wolf she would have no power to save herself tomorrow and trying to find a way to make these two get rid of their votes already.

[Lariren Shadow]

++FEA(9)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

We need you Lari. We need you now.

Unless you're evil, in which case feel free to be modfired. :D

Kent I really don't think Gwath's evil--unless he's the type to put us into needless bother with an extra DAY. I am far more wary of Shasta, unless he really isn't around. (But wait, no, that's of little consolation . . . )

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

If I die and Greenie does not, you all deserve to lose and I will dance on your graves.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

--Greenie
++Feanor of the Peredhil

[Isabellkya]

Everyone has voted save for Lari
Nilp and Izzy have dumper their bonus votes.
Kent has no bonus votes.

... o.O


X'd since my last post. Wow.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

+(1)

[Gwathagor]

--Greenie
++Greenie (+2)

:smokin:

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Oh, snap.

Gwath . . . *shakes head*

Good game, guys.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

You already retracted once, Gwath.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Three quiet Wolfies. This will do something to the metagame . . .

[Kent2010]

Sly devils :p

[the phantom]

DAY OVER. TALLY SOON. NARRATION TOMORROW.

[the phantom]

Fea dies. She was an Ordo.

Score: 4-3

Next day will begin as soon as I have all Night picks and have finished narration (i.e. next day will probably begin very early).

[the phantom]

After they awoke, Fea announced that she had received Luthien's information, and the Downers hoped. There was a chance at victory. A chance to escape the nightmare.

But as the votes came in, something was wrong. Everyone knew it. Just before 12 o'clock struck, Shasta changed his vote to side with Green, and Lari joined him, casting more votes than she appeared to even have.

"I knew it!" yelled Fea. "Friggin' bonus votes were...." But she did not finish her thought. She toppled from her chair and lay still upon the floor, perfectly beautiful, but dead nonetheless.

Before anyone could react, the nightly trance fell upon them. The end was approaching. And a terrible end it looked to be.

THE LIVING

Green
Gwath
Izzy
Kent
Lari
Nilp
Shasta


THE DEAD

Nienna (Ordo, Day 1 lynch)
Aganzir (Ordo, Night 2 kill)
Alonariel (Ordo, modfire)
Firefoot (Ordo, Night 3 kill)
Nogrod (Ordo, Day 3 lynch)
Kuruharan (Beren, Day 2 lynch)
Brinniel (Grima, Night 4 kill)
Sally (Ordo, Day 4 lynch)
Formendacil (Luthien, Night 5 kill)
Feanor (Ordo, Day 5 lynch)


Score: 4-3

[the phantom]

As the dark hours passed, Izzy's dreams focused on Nilp. Finrod, let me know if the Wolves move against him. Help me keep him safe. Don't let him die. But Finrod's watch was fruitless, for Green, revealed to all as evil the day before, was moving in a different direction.

She approached the sleeping form of Kent, giggling as she went. So what if I'm found out? Tomorrow there won't be enough to lynch me! Heh heh heh...

She plucked a full bottle of wine from off the floor and brought it down onto Kent's head. To her surprise, the bottle burst into pieces as if it had been dashed against stone. She ran quickly to the bar and returned again with another bottle, but her blow was turned aside yet again. In frustration she tried to choke him, but her hands could not make contact with his skin.

Suddenly Kent opened his eyes and pushed himself up off the floor. Green leaped back in fear. Kent seemed to be glowing with a reddish light. What is this? Some invincible champion that wasn't in the rules?

But Kent smiled at her. "Well, I expect this clinches things for us, doesn't it?" he said.

Green looked at him, puzzled, and gave no answer.

"You converted me, Green. I'm on your side now."

There were a few seconds of silence, and then the pair began laughing.

THE LIVING

Green
Gwath
Izzy
Kent
Lari
Nilp
Shasta


THE DEAD

Nienna (Ordo, Day 1 lynch)
Aganzir (Ordo, Night 2 kill)
Alonariel (Ordo, modfire)
Firefoot (Ordo, Night 3 kill)
Nogrod (Ordo, Day 3 lynch)
Kuruharan (Beren, Day 2 lynch)
Brinniel (Grima, Night 4 kill)
Sally (Ordo, Day 4 lynch)
Formendacil (Luthien, Night 5 kill)
Feanor (Ordo, Day 5 lynch)


Score: 3-4

END GAME

Nilp, Izzy, and Gwath woke up with the laughter of the evil ones ringing in their ears. The three Downers backed against the wall and watched fearfully as Green, Shasta, Kent, and Lari gathered together in the center of the room, grinning ear to ear.

In desperation, Gwath shouted, "I use all my bonus votes on Shasta!"

But Shasta only laughed. "You three don't have enough votes to match us. This game is over!"

Izzy tried desperately to draw upon Finrod's spirit for strength, but he could not help her during the day.

Nilp merely gulped.

With super-human speed, the fearsome foursome rushed at the remaining innocents. Nilp, Izzy, and Gwath all fell quickly beneath their beating fists. As Izzy's final breath halted, Lari and her companions were suddenly aware of a voice chanting outside the window. "The sealing enchantment has come down, I think," said Kent. "We can leave."

"Why is it dark outside?" asked Shasta. "It's nearly seven in the morning." But as the four checked their watches and phones, it was but 9 o'clock at night on the very Saturday they had started the game.

"Well, that's nice," said Kent

"But I want to know, what's that chanting we can hear outside this window?" asked Green.

"Sounds like Mnem," said Lari. "Silly girl has probably been out there this whole time trying to rescue us. Reading elvish and such."

"How nice of her," smirked Shasta.

"I call dibs on her!" said Kent. "I haven't gotten to make a solo kill yet."

***************

(in Middle Earth)

The Witch King held Glorfindel, Mira, and Phantom for many days, and the elf lord suffered cruel torture, but he refused to reveal the workings of the portal, or the secrets of Rivendell. In the end he was put to death.

The forces the Witch King sent after the Elven scouts retured soon, bringing with them the Elves that still lived, as well as Christopher Tolkien, for the Elves had captured him shortly before they were taken themselves.

A Morgul Blade was used on both Mira and Phantom, and soon they became wraiths under the dominion of Sauron. And now that the Ring was back upon the hand of the Dark Lord, his mastery of Middle-Earth was certain to be swift and complete.

EVIL WINS.

THE LIVING

Green (Drauglin)
Kent (Werewolf)
Lari (Thuringwethil)
Shasta (Carcharoth)


THE DEAD

Nienna (Ordo, Day 1 lynch)
Aganzir (Ordo, Night 2 kill)
Alonariel (Ordo, modfire)
Firefoot (Ordo, Night 3 kill)
Nogrod (Ordo, Day 3 lynch)
Kuruharan (Beren, Day 2 lynch)
Brinniel (Grima, Night 4 kill)
Sally (Ordo, Day 4 lynch)
Formendacil (Luthien, Night 5 kill)
Feanor (Ordo, Day 5 lynch)
Nilp (Ordo, Day 6 endgame)
Gwath (Pippin, Day 6 endgame)
Izzy (Finrod, Day 6 endgame)

[Gwathagor]

Aw...crap. Probably all my fault, too.

Great first game, Kent.

[Gwathagor]

Thanks for a great game, phantom. And Mira. We appreciate it.

[Mirandir]

What am I going to do with my life now that I don't have a game to mod? :(

Great game everyone! Especially our wolves. Way to pull out the win, guys!

[Lariren Shadow]

Good game everyone! Congrats to my fellow wolves as well!

And Gwath...well it probably wasn't your fault. We did change Kent so that was more what clinched it:D

[Gwathagor]

I refuse to be consoled.

[satansaloser2005]

Great job, everyone! And thanks to Phantom and Mira for putting the game on!


Incidentally, you'll notice that Kent's technically evil now. See? I told you so. Shasta, move over, there's a new psychic in town. ;)



EDIT: x'd with our poor Pippin

[Formendacil]

While I'd love to be able to point the finger at the phantom and his newfangled rules for skewing the balance of power in favour of the Wolves, I think we villagers need to fess us and take our share of the blame--we were pretty much out to lunch all game. I feel a slight modicum of comfort, however, in the fact that I was dead the last day--good grief, you guys! You had a known wolf and you couldn't even lynch her!

Okay, granted you didn't have the votes... *mutters something about the phantom's newfangled votes* But seriously, Kent, what WERE you thinking about not going after Greenie? It's as if proving you an innocent made you lose your sense.

Anyway, I had an awesome time playing WW again after such a long time without, and I had a lot of fun even forgetting how long it's been--especially during Day -1. Kudos to the phantom and Mira, and I must congratulate the Wolves on such a stunning victory.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The only thing I regret is killing Brinn. :(

[Kuruharan]

I enjoyed getting to be Beren. That was the role I was hoping to get from the beginning. Coming back from the dead was fun.

Now, if I could just shake off the constant suspicion I seem to inevitably and unavoidably draw. :rolleyes:

I also agree with Form. This was a horrible outing by us villagers, basically without one redeeming characteristic to its name.

[Isabellkya]

Thank you for hosting phantom and Mira!
It was a good game all around.

Though I've changed a word or two to make it more specific, I think this quote is quite fitting. ;)

"Being noticed can be a burden. The loud got themselves slaughtered because they got themselves noticed. So we disappear a lot."

Going into the Night, I didn't think we had a chance to win, and thought the mods were torturing us by making us go through it. Then I calculated and worked it out and I think the only way we could've pulled off a win, was if Shasta had made the kill during the Night, and I blocked it. Then the next Day, it would be an even amount of votes. Lari would be forced to use her bonus; and I think it would come down to whomever was crafty at the end of the Day and had the last vote/retract. Then a villager would go during the Night. Leaving two villagers and one baddie the Last Day.

For giggles..

Night one I tried protecting Boro before I realized he wasn't playing and there was only a Dream that Night.
Night two I protected Firefoot.
Night three I protected Nilp.
Night four I protected Form. Which was why I couldn't protect you the night you died, though it would've been moot since the Vampire killed you.
Night five, I abstained.
Night six, I protected Nilp. Thinking they would try to take out Finrod - and it was either myself or Nilp.

I'm so horrid at being the protector, though I seem to live the longest when I am. xD

[Firefoot]

All I can say is... wow... Form said it excellently, I think: I feel a slight modicum of comfort, however, in the fact that I was dead the last day--good grief, you guys! You had a known wolf and you couldn't even lynch her!
That's something else.

And a lot of bad luck.

[Gwathagor]

Again, my fault. I forgot the 2 retractions per day rule.

[Kent2010]

Does this mean I win? :p

Thank you phantom for letting me in, I scanned a couple games as you requested before the start. Also, Boromir was pretty excited to find out I am living in Ohio, and he asked me to represent the state until he is able to come back. I was junk at finding baddies, and didn't really know what to analyze, but thought if I just annoyed people enough that could tell me something. Hopefully I did not disappoint.

Thank you Gwath, sorry for repaying your kindness with wanting to try and lynch you at the end there. :rolleyes:

Kent, what WERE you thinking about not going after Greenie? It's as if proving you an innocent made you lose your sense.
-Formenadacil
My thought was wanting to have the only person with bonus be Fea, but I figured the baddies were not going to go along with that plan. So, the last day I was trying everything I could think to get the wolves to use their votes. I did the best I could to make it look like their only option was to use their bonus or they would blow the game...that was an epic failure. :rolleyes:

Basically, with Greenie, I was trying to think of winning long term, not just one day. The plan was to try and have Fea be the only person with bonus, but I figured the wolves weren't going to play nicely. Greenie had spent her 10 bonus on Fea, which meant I knew the wolves would wait around for the innocents to use up their bonus to save her, and that way they could horde them for the next day. Whether we knew who they were or not, wasn't going to matter if they had the bonus advantage after we lynched Greenie.

So, I was attempting to get everyone to dump their bonus. And if we (the remaining innocents) combined all of our bonus against someone trying to hold onto them, we would force them to use it and I was confident we'd get a baddie. That's why I went after Izzy, until she obliged. Once she used her bonus, I believed she was innocent, which meant Lari was a baddie, but I had no idea she was even present. It was either Gwath or Shasta, as the other and once Gwath gave 1 bonus, then said something like "oh we're supposed to use all of them?" I thought he was a wolf trying to hold his power for the next day.

That too was an epic fail, because Lari and Shasta were hording their bonus, but I had no idea they were even around, and the people doing the actual posting (Izzy and Gwath) were the ones who looked like they were trying to keep their bonus to have a baddie advantage the next day.

[Formendacil]

Does this mean I win? :p

Yes, you evil wolf you! You jumped off that sinking ship at the very last moment.

but thought if I just annoyed people enough that could tell me something. Hopefully I did not disappoint.

Oh yes! I think you succeeded there.:rolleyes:

My thought was wanting to have the only person with bonus be Fea, but I figured the baddies were not going to go along with that plan. So, the last day I was trying everything I could think to get the wolves to use their votes. I did the best I could to make it look like their only option was to use their bonus or they would blow the game...that was an epic failure. :rolleyes:

Basically, with Greenie, I was trying to think of winning long term, not just one day. The plan was to try and have Fea be the only person with bonus, but I figured the wolves weren't going to play nicely. Greenie had spent her 10 bonus on Fea, which meant I knew the wolves would wait around for the innocents to use up their bonus to save her, and that way they could horde them for the next day. Whether we knew who they were or not, wasn't going to matter if they had the bonus advantage after we lynched Greenie.

So, I was attempting to get everyone to dump their bonus. And if we (the remaining innocents) combined all of our bonus against someone trying to hold onto them, we would force them to use it and I was confident we'd get a baddie. That's why I went after Izzy, until she obliged. Once she used her bonus, I believed she was innocent, which meant Lari was a baddie, but I had no idea she was even present. It was either Gwath or Shasta, as the other and once Gwath gave 1 bonus, then said something like "oh we're supposed to use all of them?" I thought he was a wolf trying to hold his power for the next day.

That too was an epic fail, because Lari and Shasta were hording their bonus, but I had no idea they were even around, and the people doing the actual posting (Izzy and Gwath) were the ones who looked like they were trying to keep their bonus to have a baddie advantage the next day.

Okay, that makes some sense. Some. Not much, but it no longer looks like you went crazy. Still, the idea of thinking longterm on a Day when you were an inch away from sudden death seemed really strange. Of course, by that time I knew everyone's roles--the phantom was kind enough not to leave me in utter darkness, though knowing the odds actually made watching the endgame worse.

Seer's Journal coming up...

[Gwathagor]

Phantom, who was Pippin?

[satansaloser2005]

Phantom, who was Pippin?

Honey, look at my last post....:rolleyes:

[Formendacil]

My autobiography begins with Night 1, when the phantom sent out the roles.

The rules are here.

Remember, if you have any questions about the rules do not ask them on the thread. PM me! When people ask certain questions about certain things it makes people suspect a particular role, and I don't want that to happen.

-the phantom

PS Pick a dream and get it to me in the next 34 hours, Sir Luthien.

And so I was to be guided by the spirit of Lúthien. This was not the greatest thing in the world that could happen, and I told the phantom so.

Ga...ga...ga..bwah? Even with my ancient memories of playing a very successful Seer (Saurondacil, WW XV), I cannot say I relish this, Milord the Phantom. So let's just go on record stating that.

Now, Lord of Mandos, tell me the doom of one Fëanor of the Peredhil.

It was an obvious play to make. Never go into a game moderated by the phantom not knowing Fea's role. And so I had my first probable Known Innocent. I supposed she might have been Gríma, but Gríma wasn't going to eat me--though she might have been willing to sell me out.

Day 1 went more or less as expected: a lot of nonsense, ultimately little worth analysing--probably because it was unusually quiet--and I ticked Nogrod off. Nienna's death was odd, but about par for the course on Day 1. That night, I wanted to know about Nogrod. Having no real suspicions about the village, my tactic was quite simple: find out if someone I tend to suspect habitually for not making sense was suspicious. Apparently, I learned, he wasn't. Or, at least, he wasn't going to eat me.

And so Day 2 dawned... I talked quite a bit during Day 2. It was the perfect sweet spot in my final schedule--not only did I have lots of time (I don't really study...), but everyone else hereabouts was busy, so I wasn't distracted by real life, as became a danger in later days. Not much to say during the day--though I was just a wee bit concerned my two "Known Innocents" would kill each other. A seer doesn't have much to show for his efforts if he fails to find a wolf, and if I didn't, as could too easily have been the case, I wanted Known Innocents handy.

When Kuru died, I was neither outraged nor pleased--he had been neutrally non-suspicious in my mind, and this meant I didn't have to waste a dream on someone who wasn't highly suspicious--but I was concerned that his role hadn't been revealed.

Lord Mandos,

Please reveal to Formendacil, under the protection of Lúthien, the identity of Kent2010.

And also please clarify... was Kuru an ordo or just not a wolf. The narration was not especially helpful there.

I wasn't so much suspicious of Kent as I was indecisive about whether I was suspicious. Well, he was noisy, and he was agreeing with me, and he was agressive--and I didn't know his playing style, so I went ahead and got my third possible "Known Innocent," as well as a less than straightforward answer about Kuru out of the ModGod.

As you wander within the confines of your enchanted sleep, your thoughts turn towards Kent. Is he plotting our destruction? Is he killing even now? And again, Luthien returns an answer. "Rest easy. I sense nothing special about him."

***************

Now, onto your question.
And also please clarify... was Kuru an ordo or just not a wolf. The narration was not especially helpful there.The narration wasn't supposed to be helpful there.

Mira did give a tally though, and by that you can see that he was no Wolf or Vampire. You will find out his precise role soon enough.

-the phantom

Fortunately, since a straight answer is what I wanted, I don't think I saw that reply more than a couple minutes before I saw the opening narration of Day 3, so I was mollified. But we really weren't sitting in a good situation. I had nothing to show for my dreams but three potential innocents, Beren had lost his Húan, and we seemed no closer to actually finding a wolf than before.

That was the day, though, that I performed my reveal. I reckoned that, given the wolf pattern thus far for kills, I could have been a potential tragedy that night, and I figured if I revealed, the Ranger would give me a night's sleep--though I was hoping that, the Wolves knowing this, the Ranger would save his save until the next night.

That was the night I tried dreaming about Nilp. You all know how that went...

Milord,

Tell me about Nilpaurion, called Felagund.

And, preferably, let me live to tell about it.

Really, it was a gamble. The silent wolves were greatly confusing this Seer. That one, or two, wolves would be silent made sense, but all three? It seemed unlikely--and was I wrong about that! Anyway, still having no clue where the wolves might be, I tried to have another clarification dream.

Minute after minute, hour after hour, you think upon Nilp. Is he blessed, cursed, or nothing at all? Again and again you strain to hear the answer, but nothing.

Dawn is near, and still silence. But at last Luthien speaks to you. "There is evil magic at work this night, and my vision is clouded. I am sorry, but I cannot help you. Some other force blocks my power."

-the phantom

This was not at all the reply I wanted. To be honest, I'd forgotten about Gríma's dream-blocking when I made my reveal, but with Brinn dead overnight, and the village situation starting to look dire, I decided to try and squeeze a dream out of the phantom:

Ah, but milord the phantom, the evil Gríma died in the night hours--surely once his spirit was no longer present, Lúthien could have passed me the knowledge in the remaining moments--after all, the wolves must certainly have finished eating and killing some time ere sun-up, since they would have to clean up their bodies and such before transforming, lest the blood identify them.

Pretty please?

The phantom was having none of it.

The sickness and weakness of spirit that Grima cast upon you and Luthien cannot be healed so quickly. You should be thankful that it wears off as soon as it does, and doesn't require Gandalf to come and undo the webs.

-the phantom

Among other reasons, this was why I was quiet for a lot of Day 4--that and the renewal of real life distractions as I had to run back to my hometown and the other seminarians ended their exams and began to celebrate. I hoped, though, that if I didn't say anything about my dream, or lack of one, the phantom might have mercy and give me the dream. But no...

Oh come on! Look at the village--all your special votes and modified roles have us seriously outgunned. I mean, really! Pippin? That's as bad as having a second Cobbler!

And, for an in-universe justification, that's a pretty weak one: Gríma able to cast sickness and weakness of spirit on Lúthien? That he could do so in the first place seems unlikely, but that it'd have a lasting effect? Tsk, tsk!

The phantom did not deign to respond to my scolding.

Day 4 went miserably, as you will all recall. I mostly kept quiet. In part, this was because of the continued end-of-year distractions going on in real life, but mostly it was because, although I got online several times during the day, when I did, I found myself drawing blanks. There just wasn't anything that was popping out at me. I had three innocents, now, but otherwise the situation was dire. I also wasn't sure how much my reveal had been picked up on--Brinn had obviously caught it, and I imagined the wolves had as well, but I was unsure about the village in general, since no one referenced it. Not that I expected this changed anything, but I was hoping--maybe--that something revelatory would happen.

It didn't. We lynched Sally and lost another innocent. At this point, pretty much, I was ready to concede the game. And I wasn't even thinking about points yet.

Without thinking things over, and in a fit of irritation, since I still had no sense to make of the situation, I fired off a quick PM during Night 5, expecting it be my last:

Bah! Humbug!

I'll likely be dead by morning. But tell me about Nilp anyway.

In a charitable reminder, however, the phantom did NOT tell me about Nilp.

If you think you're going to die, are you certain you don't wish to use your dream transfer power?

I am not advising you either way. I don't have any other Night picks yet, so I have no idea how things are going to turn out. I just wanted to make sure that you remembered you could pass on a dream even if you die.

-the phantom

Dream transfer power? *Has to go check game thread*

Right. That dream transfer power...

The difficulty here is that if the wolves for some reason DON'T kill me, then I'm still alive--with no dream to show for it. And, after all, they will assume that I'd send the dream on to either Fea or Kent.

So, the question is... do I send it on to Fea. Or do I send it on to Kent?

I don't suppose the ModGod is willing to hear the supplications of his priest, and split the difference? Tell Fea what Felagund is, and tell Kent what Nilpaurion is?

Gbah! This is tricky...

So... while I'd only temporarily forgotten about Gríma's dream-blocking power, I'd completely forgotten about the dream-transferring thing. But this was a problem. Instead of "whatever; the game's lost and I'm dead tonight anyway," I had to actually try and do a good job here. I began to reconsider asking about Nilp... And when I didn't give him an answer, the phantom, no doubt feeling pity for the pathetic villagers and their clueless seer, offered another reminder (is it becoming clear yet that my study of the modified roles was merely cursory?).

I agree that this is an extremely difficult choice. I have no idea what anyone else has planned, and even if I did they might change their minds.

But just so you are sure you are making a completely informed decision, remember this from the game thread-
THE EVIL THREE- Drauglin, Carcharoth, and Thuringwethil function like a Werewolf team, though only two of them are Wolves. Each night they select a kill. However, they must specify which one of them is doing the killing. Each is expected to make a kill before any one of them can kill again. The Evil Three can PM one another at any time, day or night.
There was no kill on Night 1 obviously. That means there were kills on Nights 2, 3, and 4. Three kills. For three Baddies. In other words, cycle complete. Night 5 starts a new cycle.

Now, this fact from the rules may not even help you, for perhaps the baddies will forget, or will wish to continue under the old pattern for the sake of fun, or they may choose to be sporty, or they may choose to go for conversion tactics, or for vote-suck tactics, etc etc...

Anyway, I don't envy you. Best of luck with your choice.

-the phantom

Not, of course, that he actually gave anything away... *rolls eyes* My response was a bit ungrateful:

So... I'm going to take that as "no, I'm not going to bend the rules for you." *overly dramatic sigh* Fine... I'll try and reason this out on my own...

While I appreciate the rule reminders--since obviously I forgot about them--I don't really see how the EVIL THREE makes a huge difference for me. I suppose it would help if were mostly certain who the Wolves are--but I'm not. I'm suspicious at this point of everyone who's not a Known Innocent

Okay, let's reason this out. If I were a Wolf, and I wanted to silence the Seer, I would not eat me tonight, but I would assume that I would pass on the message, and try and eat that person.

If I were expecting to survive tonight, I would expect the wolves to be leaving as little trail possible between my two surviving ordos--or else trying to convert one of them, or steal their votes. If it were me, I'd kill someone rather than steal votes. None of the three of us Known Innocents have a marked number more votes than anyone else (though I confess to not keeping track there) and at this point they don't seem to be clearly under suspicion.

If they were to target someone other than me--barring the whole vote transfer thing--I would kill Fea rather than Kent. Fea leaves less of a trail, and these wolves don't like leaving a trail. So it would seem that Fea should NOT get my dream.

On the other hand, the wolves may well assume that Kent would be my Innocent of choice, since I've interacted a lot with him, we think alike--whereas, at least publicly, Fea and I do not seem to.

Bah. I repeat: humbug...

I'll get back to you on this...

It was probably about this time I realised a huge part of why I was being an unsuccessful Seer thus far--I needed someone to talk to, to reason things out with. This is the greatest advantage the wolves have, and compensates in most games for their outnumbered status.

Fortunately, for the clarification of my thoughts, the phantom obliged my need to talk.

I don't really see how the EVIL THREE makes a huge difference for me.
My primary point by underlining that section was to let you know that all three have killed, therefore any one of the three could choose to go next. In other words, there is absolutely nothing stopping Thuringwethil from killing you (the vampire can't be stopped by Finrod). It doesn't matter if the Vamp killed the first Night or the last- it's anyone's turn at this point. That was all I meant.

And, of course, votes are a concern at this point. Certainly the baddies might kill Kent if they knew he had the dream result, but as he has five fewer votes than you, they still might consider you to be the threat that needs to be offed. And naturally you must consider whether or not Finrod is protecting you this night, gambling on protecting the person you're passing the dream to, or is unable to protect you or your dream-catcher due to the consecutive protection rule. A successful Finrod protection would figure huge in this game, so that must be considered. Due to that fact, I would think the WWs would shy away from doing the killing at this point. But I may be completely wrong.

Take your time. If it helps at all I'll give you up until the deadline to make your decision (rather than the usual 1 hour before). However quite soon I expect that all my selections will be in my box and I will read them, so I will no longer be able to give possible scenarios for fear of revealing plans.

-the phantom[/quote]

Right. The votes. I hadn't forgotten them--though I would have liked to. But, anyway, this gave me a chance to respond--and thus mull things over better.

You do realise, of course, that half the point to protracting my decision has to do with attempting to wring information out of you? A fat lot of good it's doing, but still...

Anyway, I am pretty sure the Wolves are going to come after me--in which case it would be very awesome if somehow the Ranger were to save me, but I'm definitely not counting on that.

No reply necessary... I'll be passing the information on to Fea, I think. But I want to go back over the last day and decide if I want to find out about Nilp or not.

After that, I actually went back over the thread, found out how many votes everyone still had, and began crossing names off. It couldn't be my Known Innocents, and there were a couple others I thought I could trust. But those three (10) votes left players had me worried. Gwath, Greenie, and Shasta--and Pippin hadn't even surfaced yet. There had to have been a wolf in those three--if not all three of them. In my final reply to the phantom, I reasoned things out for the record:

Well, milord,

I've gone back over yesterday's voting record, and here's my findings:

It's not Fea or Kent.

Nilp, Lari, and Izzy all have 4-5 votes left, and could be a Thuringwethil, but although I'm sure there's a wolf in their number, I don't know which--and I'm hoping Nilp has had enough light shone on him that the village will go after him just in case.

Instead, I'm more concerned about the three remaining who have (10) votes each remaining. Granted, Shasta tried to put extra ones on after the deadline, but he might have known it was too late, and anyway it would still have left him with (8).

Gwath baffles me... I want to see him guilty, but I don't think he is. He's the type who'd hold onto his extra ordo votes until the last minute.

That leaves Greenie.

Milord, please forward a dream to Fea with this information.

I am gambling the wolves will kill me, but if they don't, then they'll either go votes--and take out a 10-voter, or they'll screw with my head and take out Kent. That's the hope, anyway.

For probably the last time,

~Formendacil

Finally, I got it right. And I had a thrill of hope when Fea appeared on the scene--a very, very slight hope, I might add. Once I was dead, the phantom had mercy on my frustration and let me know what was what--or else he was crushing my spirits, I don't know, because the situation was bleak. The wolves had two (10) voters left, besides stolen votes, and our (10) voter was Pippin. The only hope was, since the wolves didn't know this, that they might be forced to waste most of their votes either hiding (and killing Greenie) or counteracting the full force of the--ultimately useless--Gwath votes.

Then a nighttime Ranger kill would have been handy.

It was doable. Just barely.

Didn't happen, of course. Gwath's power was blunted by someone foolishly bringing up Pippin--and Kent went, in my opinion, quite weird. Not that there was much chance left at that point--I was glad, in a sense, that I was dead, but by the end of the day, it was no surprise when the wolves all came out, cackling victoriously. They couldn't lose anymore.

And so, all in all, a great game. :D

[Gwathagor]

Honey, look at my last post....:rolleyes:

Look at your...oohh, I see. In that case, I feel somewhat less responsible for the demise of the village.

[Formendacil]

Look at your...oohh, I see. In that case, I feel somewhat less responsible for the demise of the village.

I could be mean, and say you should feel MORE responsible for not using a vote or two and discovering it sooner, but I'm a nice guy, so I won't. :p

[Kent2010]

In the villages defense, the only real disadvantage I think there was is the baddies ability to PM the entire time, we had to broadcast all of our plans out in the open, so even if we came up with the perfect plan that last day - all the baddies had to do was sit back and PM their strategies to beat it. That is what appeared to happen, especially on the last day.

Give some credit to the baddies. I mean we can get yelled at for not analyzing all we want, (as was probably clear I had no idea what I was doing, and just tried using what I thought would work) but if the baddies were going to clam up as much as possible(it's funny how all three wolves missed the vote once :p), the rest of us can't be held accountable for not trying and I don't think you can call us lackadaisical. It might be easy to criticize what was decided once you are out, but if any of you were still in would you have voted for Shasta or Lari, unless Formendacil found out they were wolves?

With that though, I made probably the biggest blunder and managed to lynch our only offensive threat besides the lynching. Also I managed to openly and assuredly state Greenie's innocence - but what the hell do you expect me to know? Come on. :p

[Brinniel]

Hehe, look you still technically won, Kent...even if it wasn't in the way you expected. But you should definitely take advantage of it as that's what baddies do best. :D Welcome to the dark side. Over here we eat Girl Scout cookies. *munches on Thin Mints*

The only thing I regret is killing Brinn.
Yes, shame on you...though I don't exactly blame you. I brought that fate upon myself and knew I had it coming. :rolleyes:

Though, in hopes that you guys don't think I'm a complete blundering idiot for my final actions of that Day, let me explain...

Towards the end of the Day, I knew there was a chance of me getting lynched but with 10 bonus votes I still believed there could be a good chance of saving myself and getting Noggie lynched. I would be a more effective cobbler left alive and I didn't think a sacrifice was necessary since I thought Nogrod was probably innocent.

Then Formy reveals (or at least that's what I thought he did), and I think well crap on a stick...now everyone will turn on me to save Nogrod and it'd be rather pointless to attempt counter-revealing so late in the Day. But then nobody made comment on his "reveal" and when more people voted Noggie I was rather confused (but of course I went along with it). I really did think I could save myself until Nilp's vote then I figured it was all over for me (I can't remember if his vote was ever highlighted, but nevertheless he highlighted later the Day before so I couldn't expect anything less).

I dumped all 10 votes because a) maybe someone would x-post attempting to save me (unlikely but...) and b) I didn't want to die with any bonus votes left. My Finrod reveal was done by pure instinct...I wanted one more Night to use my gift and would do anything to stay alive (I considered calling myself Luthien except Formy's semi-reveal would probably make it not believable). Of course I chose to make that reveal too late seeing it was deadline when I posted...but I did it anyway because I wanted revenge by making you suckers sit in several minutes of horror thinking you just lynched Finrod. The last thing I expected was to actually be saved by Nilp not highlighting his vote. At first I was stunned and then I giggled. I don't know how many times I've managed to survive a lynching by the skin of my teeth. I'm like a cat. Cats are cool. :Merisu:

I later felt kinda stupid for revealing as Finrod (though I probably would've been lynched otherwise) and figured there were smarter things I could've done. Unless the wolves had a reason to suspect me as the cobbler, I knew I'd be Night-killed. But all that mattered was that I got an ordo lynched, and I thought I spotted the seer which meant I could block his dream (and yay I was right). Also I figured that my death could possibly save the baddies from hitting Finrod's protection (aka Formy) and I wasn't worried it'd be me since Finrod knew I was evil and probably thought me more likely a wolf than cobbler. It would've been so much fun to stay alive another Day to wreak havoc upon the village (and trust me I would've by both outing the real Finrod and keeping the attention focused on me). But meh, it was a sacrifice I chose to make and at least I wasn't completely useless...

So don't feel bad in the slightest bit, baddies. All three of you did such a great job...I don't think any of you garnered much suspicion until Greenie was exposed. I admit I was slightly worried toward the end of yesterDay when Lari hadn't voted yet. But when she did at the final minute, I thought, oh snap and sighed with relief. Even if there were no bonus votes, I think you three still could've won this, so excellent work.

Good job at finding a wolf in your final dream Formy, even if it was a little late. I'm surprised Izzy didn't protect Gwath seeing that he had the most bonus votes among the innocents, but I'm guessing she anticipated he may be too obvious for a kill and thus chose otherwise.

So sad that most innocents decided not to hold their votes until the end when it'd be more likely to lynch a baddie. Though I can't say I didn't warn you. :P

Anyway, good game to everyone. And thanks to phantom and Mira for their wonderful modding.

[Isabellkya]

I didn't protect Gwath, because I was positive he was Pippin, so his bonus votes weren't worth anything. I'd ruled both Kent and Nilp out of being Pippin, because they'd both used their bonus votes where they counted - in lynching Kuru. I figured the Three would try and take out Finrod - the only one who put them in danger at Night.

I hadn't spotted Form as Luthien. I only protected him that Night because he was one of a few people left whom I thought would be a Night kill. What sealed it was his curious exchanges with Kuru.

The only one whom I probably would've voted for without a reveal of some kind - would've been Lari. Because she was the only one whom I really suspected at some point. However, after I lynched OrdoSally, self doubt entered, so I pegged her as an Ordo. I figured at that point, that if she were one of the Three - she wouldn't be so quiet, and would show more interest. xD Same with all of the evilies really.

Ah snap, completely forgot this post makes me a Prince now. xD

[Brinniel]

I didn't protect Gwath, because I was positive he was Pippin, so his bonus votes weren't worth anything. I'd ruled both Kent and Nilp out of being Pippin, because they'd both used their bonus votes where they counted - in lynching Kuru. I figured the Three would try and take out Finrod - the only one who put them in danger at Night.
Oh yes, I had forgotten about that. :rolleyes: Then it does indeed make sense to choose the "most-likely-to-be-Finrod" candidate. It was a good choice; I probably would've thought Nilp as the possible Finrod.

I hadn't spotted Form as Luthien. I only protected him that Night because he was one of a few people left whom I thought would be a Night kill. What sealed it was his curious exchanges with Kuru.
I suspected Finrod would spot the same thing I did and choose to protect Formy and when I saw that you in fact did protect him, I assumed it was for that reason. Interesting that it wasn't...a lucky guess though unfortunately on the wrong Night. Though it should comfort you knowing you couldn't have prevented his death anyway.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Metagame, metagame. :D

[Nienna]

Good job all!... I'm a little sad I died on the first day but you know... there was nothing I could have done. All was looking fine, I went to bed and woke up and was dead... *shakes head*.... haha anyway it was fun just being able to watch and know what my roommates were up to *snicker*. And the last part of the last Day when Fea was lynched was pretty great because Fea, Lari, and I were all at work trying to close the library. I had to keep telling them to do work and Lari was IMing me the whole time being like "hehehe." Anyway it was a fun time and good job everyone. I would have to say though that my favorite part was the beginning :D

[A Little Green]

Hehehe. Great job, everyone! I must say I've never been as nervous when playing WW as yesterDay... :D I was all WHEEEE KILL ME and at the same time I knew I wasn't going to get killed. Our plan seemed too smooth to be true and when I read the rest of the Day yesterday I was sure something had gone wrong. But no. Kudos especially to Shasta who I think came up with the original idea or at least counted the votes and proved that it's mathematically possible for us to get Fea lynched instead of me.

Phew. I love playing a wolf. It's so freaking cool. :smokin:

[Lariren Shadow]

I was a little sad that I didn't get a Day where I was a known baddie. I had new icons(at some point I am going to use the one Sally made) and sig and everything...:D I just saw how much fun Greenie was having and remembered Kit's game where there were songs.

The only one whom I probably would've voted for without a reveal of some kind - would've been Lari. Because she was the only one whom I really suspected at some point. However, after I lynched OrdoSally, self doubt entered, so I pegged her as an Ordo. I figured at that point, that if she were one of the Three - she wouldn't be so quiet, and would show more interest. xD Same with all of the evilies really.

Ah snap, completely forgot this post makes me a Prince now. xD

I just had other things going on...and I was trying to not attract suspicion at all. But generally I make people think I'm innocent when I'm a baddie and guilty when I'm good.:rolleyes:

[Aganzir]

Good game baddies (including Kent).

And thanks, phantom & Mira. The game was interesting and especially Day -1 was lots of fun. :Merisu:

However I'm deeply disappointed with being killed on the first night although I know it was pretty much my own fault. Still, at least you wolves should know me well enough to know I drop off gifted hints every now and then, especially if I'm not a gifted! It's fun.
Also, I'm disappointed with Shasta picking the wrong number when killing me. :p

Ah and sorry Kuru. But whatever were you thinking when making a post title like that? :p

I met Greenie a day after I died, and we were having a loud and intense discussion about the evil three, their tactics and such when Lommy's phone rang. She said something that sounded like "It's the grandparents" and we two continued talking - up until we realised it was Nog. Fortunately he didn't apparently hear anything.

[Kuruharan]

But whatever were you thinking when making a post title like that?

I was thinking that nobody in their right mind would believe that I would expose myself as the Cobbler that early in the game. (to tell the truth, I wasn't even thinking about that at all...I was just trying to have a little fun)

And actually the title and the post were closely related if you go back and re-read it now that its all over. You and Form were continuing on with the Disney silliness and I was joining in that because there wasn't much else to do at the time. ;)

[Nogrod]

Congrats to the wolves - and just figure out if I'm going to go for lynching the quiets after this one with all I can throw in! :rolleyes:

Greenie was claiming the moral highground on Day2 (or was it 3?) saying that people should not vote others on the basis of who is it nice to play with or whose playing-styles they appreciate (or something like that) but on the basis of actual suspicion... That makes perfect sense. But at the same time she was full aware that she and her friends in crime had deliberately hunkered down leaving us others basically nothing to actually suspect them from but not leaving us anything to suspect them from. So with us reasonably thinking she was morally right we would go on after innocents making the game and leaving her and her friends untouched in the shadows.

That was a brilliant move indeed Greenie! Using the moral highground seems to always work as no one wishes to look like an ethical-moron in front of others!

But at the same time the trick underlined the old fact many have seem to have forgotten (myself included): if you are an ordo, you should always - always - lynch the free-riders first and only then start looking around more closely.


Only things I'm even a bit happy with my own game is that I started suspecting Greenie on Day1 and my suspicions grew heavier all the time (sadly only Form was showing any interest in believing me) - and I was right with thinking Brinn had not our best in mind. The rest from me was then just fumble and bad decisions after another. :confused:

Shasta and Lari... I just had no clue whatsoever. Well, how could I've had one?


Well played Izzy and Form, you managed to stay on long enough - even if we lost in the end. And a good game Kent! I'm looking forwards to seeing you again in these games.

Also kudos to Agan, Kuru who met an untimely death when they would have deserved to play a lot more as they were actually doing it.

And a good game phantom & Mira. The extra-vote idea was an interesting addition to the game even if with the baddies being able to PM all the time (and to recruit more to their team) gave them quite an advance from the very beginning and - to be honest - after a few Days of missed lynches it was basically wrapped up already...


But as always - even if this post may have sounded a bit grumpy (actually it isn't - I'm just sharpening my saber for the next round ;)): it was fun as long as it lasted!

[Kuruharan]

(sadly only Form was showing any interest in believing me)

Not completely true...I just wasn't very sure about it. ;)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Funny, Nog, you almost make it sound like I was playing the silent wolf deliberately...

[Nerwen]

Well, that a fun game to observe... and whatever you think about Kent's performance, it was entertaining!

I was sorry to have dropped out– although i don't know if I'd have done any better than the villagers (had I been one of them)– I was sure Izzy was a wolf, right up until Shasta and Lari voted.

Congratulations, wolves!

[Firefoot]

I have to say, I had completely forgotten how much time and mental energy werewolf requires (at least, to play it the way I was accustomed to it... being one of those quiet people was never me). It actually worked out that I was killed when I was... with it being the last week of classes for me, I would not really have had the time.

Maybe over the summer though, you'll be seeing more of me. It was fun 'coming out of retirement' as I believe phantom put it to me...