WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Aganzir]

Why? Wilwa told me to turn it on.
Because that way people can't draw conclusions about your role if they for example see you PMing a lot during the night phases. That's just a general thing that contributes to the fairness of the game.

[the phantom]

How come some people seem to have a grudge against me for not showing up to vote for one day? Especially you Phantom.
Oh, yes, I have certainly expressed a huge grudge against you. :rolleyes:

Let's take a look at what I said-
Gaurcrist- What the heck? If he's another no-show today then he dies. What should we do about that?
All I do is point out that if you miss another day, you are automatically killed by the Moderator, and I ask what we should do about that in case you don't show up. (In other words, should we cut our losses and lynch someone who is going to die anyway.) But since you showed up that obviously isn't the case any more.

But it's very strange that you would be so incredibly touchy about a harmless comment which does nothing but point to the rules.

And let's take a look at your other post.
In my opinion, there are two people who are acting quite strange, ever since the beginning. There are A Little Green and Boromir. I have one of those feelings in my gut about Boro, and he seems to be the most suspicious. Plus, I don't like his avatar.
Hmm.... So Boro and Green have been "strange". And you would know this because you've played countless games against them, yes? Or perhaps you mean some other kind of strange, in which case you might want to point it out.

And for someone who doesn't like people holding grudges against them for not showing up, you voice a grudge against Boro because of his avatar? Very nice. As this is a participation game, showing up is kinda sorta important. Much more important than having a pleasing avatar.

[Mithalwen]

:Maybe Gaurcrist isn't a poker fan. Can't say the devilfish is my favourite either :cool: Taking it out on the new player or some sort of wolf on wolf feint?

[the phantom]

Taking it out on the new player or some sort of wolf on wolf feint?
Wolf on wolf? Yeah. That's likely. Early on we hatched our plot for him to completely skip the first day, show up without an apology (players typically say "sorry" when they miss, Gaur), not even bother to be in invisible mode, and make unsupported statements out of the gate.

[Mithalwen]

So just taking it out on a new player then....

[the phantom]

Maybe just a bit. But much of what I say is less "taking it out" on someone as much as it is speaking truth and giving my honest opinion. You can't claim that I'm making this stuff up just for fun.

[Mithalwen]

I am not saying it is untrue and there is a limit to how much slack newbies should be cut but I think that was a bit vitriolic for a total newcomer. I am not even sure if English is his first language.

After that I would be suprised if he comes back.

[Mithalwen]

Right I am off to bed before I turn into a pumpkin (and that is merely a reference to the fact that the midnight hour approaches in my timezone). Good night and I hope the morning will be more constructive.

[the phantom]

Oh, Mith, I'm sure he'll be back. I've seen much worse antics from vet players from time to time, and they get called out on it too. I'm just letting him know what he can and can't get away with. Getting "thrown to the wolves" is the best way to learn the sort of scrutiny you face during a Werewolf game. My first post to him was extremely standard stuff. Tame compared to much that happens. The harsher post was the one where I had to go and explain myself to you after you made the "wolf on wolf" comment and the "taking it out on newbie" comment.

[Kath]

Hi sorry I seem to have run out of time completely this evening! I'm going to have to just vote. From the look at Lommy's posts from yesterDay the one person that popped out as potentially suspicious to me was:

++EOMER

I do find him suspicious so although I would have liked to go through the rest of the posts in more detail I am happy with this vote.

[Mirandir]

I feel rather inclined to agree with phantom on this one. Not necessarily the fact that he's biting Gaurcrist's head off, but that he hasn't been acting in the way he probably should, especially for a newbie.

He claims he doesn't understand why people are getting on him for not voting one day. It's clearly stated in the rules that you need to vote. While some people may make the choice not to vote on Day 1 because of lack of sufficient reasoning, they make a point of showing up and saying it, not just appearing the next day without so much as an apology.

Also, saying peole are suspicious without offering any reasoning whatsoever and then going so far as to claim no reasoning is required is just stupid and arrogant. Some of the more experienced players can get away with going on a gut feeling because they've played with people for considerably longer and know when they're deviating from the norm. Keeping suspicions to yourself for a while in order to give yourself some time to figure things out or see how a certain scenario develops is also valid, but people generally say something.

If I wasn't fairly certain that he was going to miss another vote in the near future I'd vote for him tonight. However, why bother wasting a vote on someone who will most likely just end up modfired?

Develop a grudge against me if you will, Gaurcrist. You rub me the wrong way and I'm not afraid to say it.

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That all being said, I'm going to finish up a few things online and then finalize my vote before I head off to bed.

[Isabellkya]

Izzy is here baking fresh sweet cakes and catching up.

[Aganzir]

I'm not nearly done with the read-through yet but I'm too tired to go on now so I guess I'll just go and finish it in the morning. Sorry I've been so unhelpful thus far.

However I must say Mith is confusing me.
Maybe I should let up on Shasta .. but.... I want to hear from him ...
Why does the fact that we don't know if Reddie has been turned mean you should let up on him?
And I want to hear from him too, now more than ever. ;)

Also, her suggestion that phantom & Gaurcrist's clash was wolf-on-wolf was weird.

Anyway I'm going now, good night.

[Inziladun]

I am not saying it is untrue and there is a limit to how much slack newbies should be cut but I think that was a bit vitriolic for a total newcomer. I am not even sure if English is his first language.

After that I would be suprised if he comes back.

I hope he isn't the seer, then.
I wonder if he thought I was one of the ones ganging up on him. But all I said was:
Let's see what others have to say today. I wonder if Gaurcrist and some others who have been almost as scarce as he will rear their heads.

At this point I don't read too much into Gaurcrist's words. If it was me though, I would at least apologise for my earlier absence.
For me not much has changed. I still can't figure out Boro or phantom, and "Shasta" makes me think of Shasta Cola, which was sold in my area back in the 80's. I miss that stuff...
Anyway, Shasta hasn't shown up today, has he? I'd like to hear what he has to say before I decide about him.
Agan has done some detailed analysis on things and seems helpful, but I admit to getting a bit lost when the double / triple cross / so A thinks B will do C words start freely flowing.
Eomer has said: Actually phantom, I don't think you want to hear much more from me. There are far too many players here muddying the waters. It might be best to just sit back, let a few folk die, and take it from there. We'll have a lot of info to work with two days hence.
Taking a step back and watching the fireworks. That might seem to work well for the baddies....
"Greenie" expressed earlier doubt about McCaber and Boro and seems to make sense.
Feanor popped in and made a few decent comments.
Mirandir is suspicious that she wasn't killed last Night.
Nerwen has pretty much stayed under my radar to this point. I think I need to reread all her earlier stuff.
Hmm. I still have a few hours to ponder.

X'd with Agan

[Mirandir]

All right, voting before I fall asleep in the computer lab with the sketchy foreign boys.

++Fea

For the reason I cited earlier. Love you dear!

[Gaurcrist]

There are many things I would like to say, but I will say this: I am sorry for not turning up on the first day, for I just started playing, and I did not completely understand what I should have done.

[Boromir88]

I know I'm being hypocritical as I always suspect people based on how they phrase things and such, but I don't think Boro's suspicion of Mith is very good.~Agan
All I'm saying is I've seen that behavior before from Mith as a wolf. Get stressed out and frustrated then come back after a bit of calming and be fine.

No I didn't! My intention when pointing it out was to say that revealing is not a good idea for an ordo because it will help the wolves more than us, and I didn't vote for him because of the ordo comment but because of its possible consequences.~Agan
I did take that back within the same post after I quoted your post 80. I said something like..."oh wait that really wasn't an over-reaction." That was my mis-step, but Mith's uhh...

Well Boro is being fairly tiresome and the fact that he is fixated on me rather than say on someone who got an ordo killed might be annoying.~Mith
While you have been playing extremely low key throughout your stay here, bringing up "wise" points to make people feel comfortable with you, and staying "fixated on Shasta." ;)

++Mithalwen

My internet has been acting skittish through the mornings, if it holds up I should be back, but if not just want to get my vote in there.

I will not even comment regarding Gaur's reason to vote for me, other than say "I have no comment."

[the phantom]

See, I figured old Gaur would be back. Mith is this village's mother-hen, and I expect her instincts kicked in and she protected the fledgling player. But perhaps he doesn't need mothering. We'll find out.
There are many things I would like to say, but I will say this: I am sorry for not turning up on the first day, for I just started playing, and I did not completely understand what I should have done.
You should have shown up. :p

But seeing as you can't do anything about that now, your current order of business is to respond to those who question your reasoning. I and others have wondered what you meant by Boro and Green acting "strange", so enlighten us. What have you seen that you don't like from those two? Who knows- you may indeed have spotted something valid. But you're not likely to get any help from other villagers if you won't tell us why we should believe you.

[Boromir88]

Alright, to just say this now, and hopefully prevent any type of blow up where I regret saying something, I need to get this out here now...

I seriously am annoyed by the suspicion based on the way I "speak." It is basically a cop out and I get placed into a corner because there is no way to defend myself, there is no way to prove myself.

You do not know how hard right now I am fighting back the urge to just unleash any thing I have, call you a wolf, and push for your lynching. The reason I don't is because that type of game play does not turn out well for the innocents. You suspect me for being strange, I throw a left hook back at you for making vague, cop-out accusations. And really Lari, Gaur, and whoever else, I think you are innocent who see that I am controversial, unconvential, don't like the things I say, and take that to mean I am a wolf.

I am not going to change the way I speak, I am not going to change how I act, if there is anything I've said that is offensive, I am sorry because I don't mean it. If I give you a headache, I am sorry but take some advil.

If you find me suspicious because I lynched an innocent Nienna. So be it, come out and say it. If you find me suspicious because of whatever I said to Mira, or anyone else, out with it. But I can't defend myself for the way I speak, and I am not going to change it now. Those are cop out suspicions and lynching people for those reasons will get us no where accept a fast wolf victory.

Now I have tried my best to bring out stuff as to why Lommy was killed, I have made my best case against Mith. Despite what Mith has said I have not been fixated on her. I brought up stuff about the phantom, Shasta, Agan. I defended Lommy yesterday, and I've defended McCaber today. This isn't to boast what I have done, but to tell you get past my words, and any type of aggravation I might cause you, and to just make you aware of everything I have been trying to do.

It is the ones who look nice, logical, or simply float on by to be concerned about. Separate the controversial, maybe sometimes rude talk, from wolf behavior. If you don't this is going to be a quick victory for the wolves.

Edit: crossed with tp

[wilwarin538]

How does Lommy's death mean they weren't? Reddie is not a normal cursed who has to be killed in order to change sides, it's enough that the BBW guesses her. If Shasta isn't a wolf himself the BBW could have guessed him and made him a member of their team and we have no way of knowing about it.


Yes.

How come so many people seem to be under the impression the wolves must attack Reddie in order to convert her? Correct a poor non-native speaker if she's wrong but to me that "along with the baddies kill choice" looks pretty much like they send two names every night.


Yes again, good job for paying attention! :D

Wolf on wolf? Yeah. That's likely. Early on we hatched our plot for him to completely skip the first day, show up without an apology (players typically say "sorry" when they miss, Gaur), not even bother to be in invisible mode, and make unsupported statements out of the gate.

Be nice.

the phantom- Prince Philip (aka Secret Co-Mod with Wilwa)

Hehe...no. :p

Izzy is here baking fresh sweet cakes and catching up.

I wants one. :D

Votes so far:
Boro - 2 (Lari, Gaur)
Eomer - 1 (Kath)
Fea - 1 (Mira)
Mith - 1 (Boro)

[Boromir88]

Lommy was little red cap!

Check out wilwa's narration "small red door," and an emphasis on flowers being everywhere. Little Red Cap (in the tale) got off the trail because of the flowers.

[wilwarin538]

Lommy was little red cap!

Check out wilwa's narration "small red door," and an emphasis on flowers being everywhere. Little Red Cap (in the tale) got off the trail because of the flowers.

I honestly wish I was that brilliant. But I'm not....

There are no hints in the narration, really, I don't have time to think that much. :p I pretty much make it up as I go. :D

Happy you're reading them so closely though. ;)

[Inziladun]

All right. I'm having to do most of my thinking now, as I seriously doubt I'll have time to do anything more than vote tomorrow.
I do not see anyone who I am absolutely certain is a baddie.
Due to his recent posts, my misgivings about Boro are pretty much gone. He sounded heartfelt and genuine, and I'm fairly convinced he's at least not a wolf.
However, phantom bears close watching.
Kath has been calmly dropping in from time to time, offering a few perfectly legitimate observations, than quietly disappearing. She has set her vote for Eomer, who I haven't gotten much from, and offered no good reason for doing so.
Mithalwen has been fairly prominent at times, and it's easy to tell she's good at this. As others have stated, I too am concerned about the apparent obsession with Shasta.
As of now, I think my vote will be one of the latter two.

[Inziladun]

Then again, there was Eomer's comment about hanging back I mentioned earlier, and perhaps Kath was thinking of that. I've come to the conclusion that it might not mean anything by itself, but I just don't know what she was keying on with him....

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I need to go to bed.
So I need to vote.

Either that or get up long enough before 9am to catch up on reading and vote.

Actually, I like that plan, since there's nobody I particularly suspect right now.

I mean, I don't trust Boro's plea for understanding any more than I ever trust anything he says, but it's not really distrust so much as cautious concern.

I'm still giving New Guy 1 (Zil) and New Guy 2 (other guy; no, just kidding, I really do know your name...) the benefit of the doubt because they're new.

My gut says to lynch people I regularly interact with early, that way I don't have to try to psychoanalyze them later when it's more important that we get things right. It always saddens me to think I've got somebody's character nailed and then find out they've been murdering my team mates in my sleep.

Anyway...

Nap time for little sleepy Feas.

[Nerwen]

Back. Reading. See you soon.

[satansaloser2005]

Just saying now that if I get killed toDay or toNight after I drove 20 miles to get on the internet I might just have to slap someone. With a herring. Just letting you all know in advance.

[/crankiness]

Now, to business....

I really don't think Boro's guilty, just frustrated. So killing him seems, at least to me, a bad plan. Certainly not the most lovely idea I've ever heard.

Eomer, Agan, and maybe Mith are still giving me bad vibes. Alas, I can't talk too long because the laptop battery's not going to last forever, but let's just say the tone of his posts seems rather wolf-ish to me. If I die for not having time to explain, so be it, but I will vote how I feel, and that is....

++Eomer


If I am wrong and by some weird thing he's the Fairy Godmummy or something I suppose you can sacrifice me to save him, but I don't think that's the case. Besides....I want to live!:Merisu:

Anyway, I have to go, and I'll be on for a bit yet just to read through again. Once I leave I will most certainly not be back, which is why I made the above statement.


Someday my internet will come....

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so a quick list. Not all-inclusive, and not definitive, but have it anyway.


Not Good:
Eomer
Agan
Wilwa ;)


Not Bad:
Shasta
Boro
Nerwen
the girls what run off to England :p


Not Sure:
Phantom
Mith
the boys what are new

[Nerwen]

Mira I am fine today now that Phantom and Boro aren't being tiresome... at least I thought I was..... Well Boro is being fairly tiresome and the fact that he is fixated on me rather than say on someone who got an ordo killed :rolleyes: might be annoying.

At the risk of sounding equally monomanic... Shasta.... either lying or 1/3 chance of being LRC. If LRC I'd bet the ranch he has been turned.

Love to hear what he has to say...

Hang on, Mith... let your friendly neighbourhood bookmaker work out the odds... Nope, it's still only a 1-in-5 chance. And there's a 2-in-5 chance Red Cap's already dead.

I checked:

Little Red is not aware of her identity until it is too late, if she dies before she is turned I will not reveal her identity, I won’t even tell Mr. BBW, mwahaha.

So, she could have been Lommy or Nienna... we've got no way of telling.

On the other hand, as Agan points out, there's no reason to think Shasta (if LRC) wasn't turned last Night– again, we wouldn't know.

Important– regarding toDay's favourites:

Eomer and Boro both seemed to think LRC was a normal Cursed role, i.e. has to be Night-killed in order to be turned. I should say this points to their innocence– or at least to their non-lupinity. They could be faking, of course... but do consider this point before voting either of them.

[McCaber]

Eomer and Boro both seemed to think LRC was a normal Cursed role, i.e. has to be Night-killed in order to be turned.
Now that's interesting. I wasn't really considering either of them yet, but it's good for the future.

Can I apologize for today? I didn't do a lot here, but I'll be back a good 2 hours before DL. Preliminary thoughts run anywhere from Agan to Fea, and I still rather like Boro and tp.

[Gwathagor]

Hey, sorry I haven't been around. Reeaally busy day, and now I have to go to bed or else I'll be exhausted for work in the morning. I'll try to read a little first and maybe vote, but I may just try to wake up before DL and vote then. Again, sorry.

[the phantom]

In case I don't post again tonight, I'll for sure make it back in the hour before the deadline.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, way too tired here, going to bed. Apologies for lack of involvement toDay.

[Gwathagor]

On a second thought, there's no way I'll be up in time to vote, sooo I'll stick with yesterDay's vote, for the sake of consistency.

++Boromir88

[Isabellkya]

Nienna and Lommy?

I suppose better than losing Gifteds. Though wolves are better to lose.

I didn't have a really strong case against her, but it was the best decision I could come up with.

This kind of sounds scrambling to me.

Nerwen as Village Captain Obvious. Ahaha.

Boro you look nasty with your commentary about your Nienna vote. Why not just say "I want to save myself." ?

Even if Shasta isn't bluffing, and he is an Ordo. Why go to the wolf and say TURN ME! TURN ME! Even if he isn't capable of being turned, I don't see how dangling yourself as fresh meat in front of a rabid wolf - is going to help the village.

Boro. Why would Shasta be lynched immediately if turned? I thought the Moddess said that it could be referenced to in the Night plot - but not necessarily any where near the Night it occurs.

Why does it seem to be an assumption that the wolves would've killed Shasta? Because they thought his claim false? I think they would have the luxury to see if he was turnable first, and then kill him. Otherwise they'd be up a certain creek with out a paddle, if they killed him and found him to be an Ordo - especially if he ended up Miss Red.

Boro. Your venting seemed to lack a sense of fire. Fizzled I think. o.O

Erm, sorry Miss Wilwa. I'm terribly afraid to tell you, but you aren't in any condition to... digest sweet cakes, or food of any kind. I could put some by your non-grave for you, if you'd like.


Eomer and Boro both seemed to think LRC was a normal Cursed role, i.e. has to be Night-killed in order to be turned. I should say this points to their innocence– or at least to their non-lupinity. They could be faking, of course... but do consider this point before voting either of them.

Why does it do that Nerwen? All it says, is that they have a faulty memory, or didn't quite read the entire Admin thread.

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro

Boro 3. Eomer 2. Mith & Fea 1.

[Nerwen]

Why does it do that Nerwen? All it says, is that they have a faulty memory, or didn't quite read the entire Admin thread.

My point is that the wolves would be likely to have read the section on Red Cap pretty carefully. Wouldn't you?

I didn't say it was conclusive.

[Isabellkya]

Perhaps. It could've just been the Rabid Wolf zoning in on it.

It is easier for me to imagine them faking it, as opposed to misremembering it. They seem to be on top of stuff like that, regardless of role.

[Isabellkya]

Aganzir - She has her head on her shoulders., and looks to be on top of things. I tend to think her innocent at this time, yet I wouldn't be surprised if she ended up short, furry, wrinkly, or ugly.

Boro - He seems to be experimenting in multiple avenues. From past experience, the experimenters have usually been innocents. He also seems to be an easy lynch target due to his experimenting and perhaps zany behavior. So I think him rather innocent, and perhaps someone whom fell off their rocker, or was dropped on his head as a child.

Caber - He is playing.

Eomer - He is playing.

Fea - I keep getting her confused with Greenie. Because I spot the little green avatar out of the corner of my eye as I'm reading, and I think she is posting. Then I read, and I scroll back up and see it was Greenie who did. As of yet, I don't have a read on her.

Gaurcrist - First game. First Day is over, therefore no special treatment. He seems to be trying, and returned after the verbal lashing from Phantom with a sidebar fromMira. You should share your thoughts, as hoarding them inside your head does the village no favors. Since your hobby at the moment is keeping your eyes on Phantom, spoons can fix that!! Just joking about the spoons.

Greenie - If her activity level wanes, we should lynch her immediately!!

Gwath - He is a drunk.

Izzy - EyeZeeZeeWhy.

Kath - She is playing, and she is still alive. Means she is probably one of The Four.

Lari - She is playing. I think with her early votes, eventually it might become an issue. As The Four can easily use it as a starter for a bandwagon.

Mira - The list she made toDay on some people, it seemed to be mostly filler and empty carbohydrates. I'm sure if she asks nicely and/or reveals a role that The Four would want to be rid of, they would kill her. Unless I am missing something, why would The Four kill her at Night, if it was hinted she was The Cobbler or a Rabid Wolf? If you want death that much, we could just ya know - lynch you.

Mith - She is up to no good. Why? Because most of her post content is empty carbohydrates. Filler. Spam.

Nerwen - She has a head on her shoulders. It seems to be screwed on straight. She is still alive. I'm leaning innocent, yet she obviously could be one of The Four.

Phantom - He seems to be a bit more aggressive than I remember from other games.

Sally - I haven't noticed strange behavior, or much of any behavior. I think it is due to her internet, which she should sue it. Then it might be forced to work for her.

Shasta - Besides THE thing, I don't know what to say about him. Day One reveals of any kind? Whether a (n)Bluff, I don't know - it just rubs me the wrong way. Should we immediately lynch him for dangling his neck to the Rabid Wolf? Absolutely if he turns into Miss Red, and thus his claim was true.

Zil - First game. First Day is over. No special treatments. He looks like he has a handle on things, and nothing I find furry, short, wrinkly, or ugly about him yet. Save perhaps his wording.


In regards to the verbal lashing and the sidebar. Really? Veterans do similar things, and THEY don't get these types of reactions.

All in all, I think we have too many narcissistic personalities in this game, fighting for the/a leadership role.

Looking Innocent:
Aganzir
Boro
Nerwen

In the middle:
Greenie
Lari
Phantom
Shasta

No Idea:
Caber
Eomer
Fea
Gaurcrist
Gwath
Izzy

Up to no good:
Kath
Mira
Mith


The No idea-ers are too many for me. Though they insisted on being there.
I'll be making my vote shortly, then I will go to bed. Before my head explodes and makes a mess, I really do not want to be cleaning at this hour.

[Isabellkya]

Mira - I won't use my vote on her toDay. Because she seems to have a death wish. If we are both alive toMorrow, and she is still suspicious that she hasn't died during the Night. Then possibly I will vote her toMorrow. Most everyone tends to actually want to live during these things. Not be captured in a noose or becoming someone's meal.

Kath - I think her up to no good because she is still alive. It isn't enough to warrant the use of my vote, toDay.

So.

++Mith
For reasons stated in the previous post. I find the majority of her post content lacking. Banter. Spam.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Boro, ha! What use was that? You want some sympathy? :p

And Izzy has a fair point about Mith - posting links in the middle of a game? Come on. Also rolling her eyes at tp and Boro, and acting all coochy-coochy-coo to Gaurcrist. Who does she think she's fooling?

Still, I'm glad I have a couple of votes. I thought that I'd make it all the way to the promised land of Day Four this game, as the village is so big, but then again - I'm just so evil. :smokin:

I think I'll hold my vote, and have a look at the reaoning of the early-voters. Don't have too much to go on yet.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

This is such fun. Now I realize the thrill Phantom gets when days 1 and 2 are focused solely on him. I'll have to do this more often. :D

Let's see, let's see...

Ah! I believe Nerwen pointed this out, but I'd like to reiterate; there is as much chance that we lynched Little Nienna Cap, or that the baddies decided to kill Little Lommy Cap last night, as that I am Little Shasta Cap. In fact, the baddies probably checked me last night (am I channeling Phantom? I do believe I am! Fea, I'm tempted to ask you to go out with me, but will not for two reasons; I would never be so crude, and I'm not fully into the character of Phantom yet.) Unfortunately for them, my cap is blue. (It's my favorite color.)

...would that have looked Seerish to a Wolftanis Althreduin?

I think this is the first time I've ever had the famous Nerwen treatment for wolfizing my name. I am so proud. :Merisu:

So the wolves didn't go for Shasta, eh? I thought they might have. Interesting... well? Did you honestly think I'd go a game without suspecting you, sir?

Oh, give over, warrior of Finn. I think you're just jealous of my stunning good looks and sparkling personality.

To drop into a rather serious note for a moment:

Especially you Phantom. I've got my eyes on you. I will not share my thoughts.

...Huh? It's like... me, from the third game I ever played with Phantom where I finally got fed up with his high-handedness (although I've mellowed to him since then). However, refusal to share thoughts isn't generally the greatest way to help innocents.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Persons of Interest (re: possible fairytale characters gone wrong)

Aganzir: I think she's still mad at me for last game. Also, her comment about Lommy in her first post today rang a bell for me. It was a nice, shiny bell. A "For Whom The Bell Tolls" type bell.

Gwath: Given that I voted Boro yesterday to be consistent... no, you're not allowed to call me a hypocrite! That was yesterday! This is today! And I feel like he stole my reason from yesterday to hide that his vote is bandwagon-worthy.

Nerwen: I really, really, really think she's innocent. Obviously this means she is evil and should be lynched ASAP, according to my performance last game. Faulty wiring in the head, and mist in the crystal ball, I'm telling you.

Fea: She's under my radar. She's NEVER under my radar. What's going on?!

McCaber: Under my radar (as usual). I want to lynch him (as usual). However, I'm going to push past my prejudice (as usual) and vote someone else (as usual).

[A Little Green]

Hello I'm back here and done with reading. I'll post a list soon, and if someone happens to be around I'd fancy a chat...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

A chat, eh Greenie? What is your opinion on trolls?

Shasta, Fea is under your radar only because she's not been around much (too busy it would seem). Rest assured, she will be back to her brash, abrasive and loquacious best soon enough.

So let's string her up while the going's good. :p

[A Little Green]

Nerwen - Nothing in her rubs me the wrong way right now.
Eomer - Likewise, though to a somewhat lesser extent.
Aganzir - Seems innocentish.
Sally - Not enough material to draw conclusions from.
McCaber - Not so sure about him. I'd love to reread his posts and see what I can find.
Izzy - No idea. (I accidentally typed no die... Seems like my fingers are trying to send me messages. :rolleyes: )
Mira - No idea.
Gaurcrist - Too little stuff to draw conclusions from. I'd think, though, that if a wolf his fellows would have ensured he knew what to do?
Shasta - Now we come to the interesting part. I'm still considering him a possible wolf. His "ordo-reveal" seemed pretty wolf-ish to me, I already explained that yesterDay, and even if it was an honest reveal he might have been LRC. And if he isn't a wolf it's quite probable that BBW checked him last Night. So I see practically three chances: either a) Shasta was a baddie from the very start, b) he is LRC and was turned last Night, and c) he's just an ordo. I'm most inclined to think it's a). But be that as it may, he's been so amusing toDay that I feel tempted to leave him be.. :D
Quath - (Sorry for using that silly name, just can't resist!;))Nothing alarming if nothing astonishingly innocentish, either.
Boro - I've been flip-flopping about him all through the game. Right now I'm more inclined to think he's innocent. In any case I don't think he's our best lynch candidate toDay.
Kath - She's smooth and sensible and seems okay.
Inziladun - Speaks good sense and seems innocentish.
Fea - I know better than to assume anything about her.
Lari - Too little to draw conclusions from.
Mith - I'm flip-floppy about her too. Generally she's just confusing me.
the phantom - I agree with Izzy that he seems a tad more aggressive than usual. That might just be due to having a bad day or something like that, though, so I won't start drawing conclusions about it yet.


EDIT: x-ed with Eomer

[A Little Green]

A chat, eh Greenie? What is your opinion on trolls?Trolls are okay as long as they're green. :p

[A Little Green]

What do you think about McCaber? The guy has started to really puzzle me.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Yeah, it looks like he's trying to feed off the discussion surrounding Boro; suggesting that he's a clever villager who sees gifted hints. Could be genuine.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta, Fea is under your radar only because she's not been around much (too busy it would seem). Rest assured, she will be back to her brash, abrasive and loquacious best soon enough.

So let's string her up while the going's good.

Clearly her disappointment at Nienna's lynch stems from the simple fact that Fea didn't get to kill her herself. Lynch, I say! Lynch!

Trolls are okay as long as they're green.

I hate having to pay to cross bridges, though. I usually have to answer three questions or some rubbish like that. Hardly fair considering.

Hmm. The votes seem to be Boro 3, Eomer 2, Fea and Mith 1.

I don't want to vote Boro because he needs to redeem himself for the fail-kill last night. Uh! I mean, because I think he's innocent. Yes, that's it. And I don't want to vote Eomer because I don't find him suspicious at the moment (although turn just a hair to the left, Eomer, and I'll see what I can do. ;))

++Mith

[A Little Green]

DAY 1

1st post: banter, joke suspicions on Lom, Boro, Lari and Nerwen

2nd post: random-ish comments to Boro about the witch and Inzy about his playing style.

3rd post: comments on quiet-loud debate:
Sad but true. You get people who post all over like Lommy and Boro who say quite a bit, and then people like me who often don't have much to say.

It's easier to tell a loud wolf in the lategame because inconsistencies are easier to catch when there's a lot of posts.

And in the past I've been an effective villain by staying rather quiet, so I know from personal experience to get the silent ones first. I think the contradiction in this is rather interesting, but not necessarily wolf-ish. Actually I'm not sure whether an evil McCaber would want to sort of draw attention to the possibility of him being a baddie.

4th post: says that he'd rather leave phantom alone for the time being and that it's weird to be in Lommy and Agan's good books.

5th post: mainly banter about beer and whisky, says Fea is playing around but it's okay.

6th post: tells that he's going.

7th post: votes Nienna to save Boro.
Shop's just about to close. A strange day, to say the least.

As I want Boro to live at least another day, my vote has to be

++Nienna

Because I'm pretty sure I can see what he's trying to do with this.
I'm uneasy about this until Mr. McC answers my little (green) questions I asked earlier.

DAY 2

8th post: says yesterDay's voting wasn't that bad because he got plenty of material from the votes. Says that the wolves want to cause confusion and that though Nienna wasn't the best possible choice she was better than Boro. I still want to know why he trusts Boro.

9th post:
Eomer and Boro both seemed to think LRC was a normal Cursed role, i.e. has to be Night-killed in order to be turned.
Now that's interesting. I wasn't really considering either of them yet, but it's good for the future.

Can I apologize for today? I didn't do a lot here, but I'll be back a good 2 hours before DL. Preliminary thoughts run anywhere from Agan to Fea, and I still rather like Boro and tp.Agan? Fea? Where did they come from?

That's all he's posted this far. Conclusions? It seems my vague bad feeling about him was mostly caused by his vote post yesterDay where there were too many questionmarks for me. I don't know whether reading through his posts helped me at all. Before, I had no vibes whatsoever except for very slight bad ones. Now I have both good and bad vibes about him and don't know what to think. :rolleyes:

I'm not convinced either way.


EDIT: x-ed with Shasta

[Nerwen]

Back again. Reading again.

[A Little Green]

Aaaaaaaagh now I'm flip-flopping about Shasta too. He seems somehow too carefree to be a wolf. You know, Shasta, maybe you indeed are some kind of phantom's heir because you're causing me a headache right now. :D


EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Can I apologize for today? I didn't do a lot here, but I'll be back a good 2 hours before DL. Preliminary thoughts run anywhere from Agan to Fea, and I still rather like Boro and tp.

Don't lump them together! Don't you remember what happened last time they were lumped together?!

...We won, but it was such a headache dealing with them! They were insufferable! :Merisu:

You know, Shasta, maybe you indeed are some kind of phantom's heir because you're causing me a headache right now.

I've decided that, for once, this is going to be the Shasta-show instead of the Phantom-show. :smokin:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've decided that, for once, this is going to be the Shasta-show instead of the Phantom-show. :smokin:

Then prepare to be lynched. Hey, I don't make the rules.

[Mithalwen]

Well I am back and interesting to see who is gunning for me. And sinceI know whose side I am on I have a better idea of my enemies. What Issy says is simply not true. I was about the only person who took this thing seriously on day one. And teh link.. I just happened to hear about it on the radio - it was about fairytales, half teh players are in london..I thought it was swet and withthe activity last night it was hardly interrupting some big discussion.

Some people may genuinely suspect me but there are certainly baddies riding on your coat tails.

But if you lynch me well not my problem anymore... and given the statistics the village will have a whelks chance in a supernova. Give me one more day please.

[Mithalwen]

However I must say Mith is confusing me.

Why does the fact that we don't know if Reddie has been turned mean you should let up on him?
And I want to hear from him too, now more than ever. ;)

.

It was the reduced statistics not the not knowing if he had been turned. If he is LRC Iwould say he has certainly been turned... but the probability that he was LRC hadn't increased as I had assumed because I thought that Lommie and Nienna had been eliminated as candidates. I still think he is worth lynching.. but so is Boro and maybe one or two others.... and I would like to save my own skin if at all possible. Though I am beginning to doubt it.

[Mithalwen]

Oh an Aganzir, wolf on wolf was the only good reason I could find for Phantom making such a strong attack on a new and confused player. I would rather think him a wolf than so mean but I have learnt you can be very wrong about people. Now there are no junior games newcomers have to cut their teeth somewhere. there are ways of guiding people to appropriate play. You don't have to savage them verbally even if this is a werewolf game. Yes it can get heated but if so pick on someone your own size...

[Nerwen]

Okay... really no idea who to vote for right now. As far as the favourites go, I can't make up my mind on either Shasta or Mith, and I'm reluctant to vote Boro or Eomer for reasons already stated.

I'm finding Izzy a little creepy at the moment... actually, I always do, and I don't recall her ever being a wolf in any game I've played. So I guess I just can't read her.

However, there is this (replying to my post saying that Boro and Eomer's confusion over the Red Cap role looks rather innocent):

Why does it do that Nerwen? All it says, is that they have a faulty memory, or didn't quite read the entire Admin thread.

I replied:

My point is that the wolves would be likely to have read the section on Red Cap pretty carefully.

Perhaps. It could've just been the Rabid Wolf zoning in on it.

It is easier for me to imagine them faking it, as opposed to misremembering it. They seem to be on top of stuff like that, regardless of role.

Now, it's fair enough to raise objections (and I never claimed it proved anything)... but I just don't like the way she shifts ground there.


Don't lump them together! Don't you remember what happened last time they were lumped together?!

...We won, but it was such a headache dealing with them! They were insufferable! :Merisu:

No, we lost, remember?

EDIT:X'd since Shasta.

[Inziladun]

I see some nice discussion has taken place while I slept.
My tentative good feeling about Boro doesn't seem to be shared much. I find that interesting, coming from those who know him better.
Mith.... now inferring the village won't have a chance without her? And Shasta gave his vote for her as well.
I'm inclined to do the same, but Kath....
The deadline will be here about the time I'm arriving at work, so I'm going with

++ Kath

[Mithalwen]

Oh if you get me lynched bear in mind that Izzy has voted for me on the grounds of insubstantial posting but has attacked Shasta for all the reasons I pointed out!
Inconsistent to say the least.

[Mithalwen]

Agan, Greenie and Kath seem fine to me. Sally might be worth keeping an eye on.

[Boromir88]

It is easier for me to imagine them faking it, as opposed to misremembering it. They seem to be on top of stuff like that, regardless of role.~Izzy
Don't know about Eomer, but I do not always read carefully. One time I voted for SpM and he wasn't even a person in the village, and that was an honest mistake thinking he was actually a player...I think I ended up getting lynched too. Another time Nogrod had to throw one of my old sigs back into my face about "reading the entire thread," because I hadn't read the rules. And yet another time I got scolded by Mith, because she said "absolutely no coded messages," I kind of missed that part and left a coded message.

I seriously thought LRC was the cursed role, and had to be killed to be turned.

Would there be any hint in narrations if someone gets turned, because it would be very unbalanced if we are left in the dark of how many baddies we are up against?

Boro. Your venting seemed to lack a sense of fire. Fizzled I think. o.O
Good, I didn't want to let it build to an explosion.

[Mithalwen]

Mith.... now inferring the village won't have a chance without her? And Shasta gave his vote for her as well.
I'm inclined to do the same, but Kath....


Bit of a safe vote there Inziladun? Back nicely covered. You might win without me but there are better people to lynch.

[Aganzir]

Okay so I've read everyone's posts but Boro's (and okay I admit I didn't read phantom's posts very carefully, either) and I doubt I have time to do it today.

Guilty
Gwath. How serious was the suggestion that Boro was trying to pass Mira off as a gifted? The comment about Fea stealing his vote doesn't look good - like, he wants to make sure people don't think he's bandwagoning. I don't know, I can't put my finger on it properly, but I don't like it. Now he voted for Boro again because of that same Mira thing. Basically he's spoken a lot without really saying anything.

Izzy. Voted for Shasta because of saying unwise things to the BBW, and brought forward the possibility of him bluffing. She questioned Nerwen's suggestion that Boro & Eomer being confused points to their innocence, and said it's easier for her to imagine they were faking it. Also, the way she started her first proper post today looks somehow forced or too self-conscious: "Nienna and Lommy? I suppose better than losing gifteds."

Greenie. To be honest I was a little taken aback by her aggressiveness on day 1, she seemed to react pretty strongly to some minor comments. I don't understand why she found it weird that Lommy and I considered each other innocent - we're pretty good at reading each other as long as we don't let quarrelling cloud our vision. Also, she reacted quite strongly to Shasta's ordo claim, saying it was a wolfish thing to say.
even if it was an honest reveal he might have been LRC.
Okay I don't know if I'm reading too much into this, but to me that might have been LRC looks like Greenie is slipping she knows Shasta isn't.
Her flip-flopping on Cab and Shasta makes her look better though, if she's a wolf I'd expect her to keep pursuing them.

Lari. Why were you suspicious of Lommy on day 1? She suspects people (Boro & Mith) because of how they sound. That's pretty easy because that way she can get away without elaborating (except if she was suspecting me :p). Apart from that there's nothing to go on.

Fea. Surprisingly quiet. I didn't like her day 1 vote which sounded over-explanatory, and Lommy's death could point at her being a wolf.

sally. I don't like her "tempted to lynch phantom just to see if he can be lynched on day 1" comment, it looks like she's sort of testing the ice to see how many people would be willing to lynch a player who's dangerous to the wolves if innocent. Also, I don't like her vote for me. Or, voting for someone on day 1 because of a weird feeling would be okay, but I don't like it that she continues with her suspicions today without even trying to explain them. It's such an easy way, as well as her suspicion of Eomer because the tone of his posts "looks wolfish". So sally care to elaborate about me? ;)

Mira. Easy vote on day 1. Today she voted for Fea because she must be evil since no one has suspected her thus far. I understand she's busy but she's playing it too easy and needs some pressure put on her.

Innocent
Inziladun. Seems genuinely helpful and his opinions look innocentish. I'd imagine a newbie wolf to be tenser.
Eomer. I don't think he'd bluff about the Reddie thing (or would he? I've played just a couple of games with him), so it most likely points to his not being a wolf. Looks pretty innocentish anyway.
Kath. Her arguments look innocent and she comes across as genuine.

Neither
Mith. I keep flip-flopping on her. Her suggestions on day 1 looked really innocent. The way she went after Shasta (flip-flopping on whether she thought he was a wolf or an ordo) was weird, though. But I have a hard time seeing her as a baddie because then she would probably have read the description of Reddie in the rules more closely. I'm maybe a bit more inclined to think she's innocent, but I really don't know.
Cab. It's ages since I've last played with him but he seems to be louder than usual. He doesn't offer many opinions about players though. Cab what did you mean when you said you could see what Boro was trying to do with "this"? All in all there's too little serious material to go on.
Gaurcrist. Too little to go on.
Nerwen. There's surprisingly little to go on but she looks honest. She made a good point about Boro & Eomer's confusion about Reddie pointing to their innocence. If she was anyone but Nerwen, she'd be on the innocent list. ;)
Shasta. Voted for Boro on light grounds, which could have got him lynched. I don't think the ordo comment was suspicious in itself but it's definitely dangerous in case he is/was really an ordo. If he had been a wolf from the start, he'd probably know when the deadline is, and I just wouldn't expect him to bluff that. I don't know what should be done with him now, though. The wolves probably tried him last night so it's possible he's a wolf now. He's been more talkative/substantial today than he was yesterday, but he also looks innocentish. Like, quite relaxed. And no I'm not angry with you!
Boro. Quite frankly I can't read him. I don't think a wolfish Boro would have got confused about the way Reddie is turned, though, and bluffing it doesn't seem like something he would have done. I must read his posts before saying anything definite though (not that I think it will help much).
phantom. I'm not able to figure him out so I leave him be for now.

I've been keeping an eye on the thread so technically I don't cross post with anyone, but I haven't paid much attention to what's been said.

[Boromir88]

Mith...do you want to be lynched? If not, answer why?

[Mithalwen]

Aganzir....I wasn't flipflopping I was considering possibilities... I don't KNOW which he is ...only the wolves know their fellows and I am not a wolf, but I think I am going to be lynched anyway :rolleyes: Is it worth defending myself .... not for myself maybe?

I am spent, Ishall go with the sun.:(

[Mithalwen]

Mith...do you want to be lynched? If not, answer why?

I refer you to the post I have just made. Anyway well done on getting rid of me - don't have to waste a night kill Mr Wolf.

[Boromir88]

I refer you to the post I have just made. Anyway well done on getting rid of me - don't have to waste a night kill Mr Wolf.~Mith
And this is it. I am trying to be serious and help you here, because usually we have very good rapport as innocents. I am innocent, that I know and if you are too, I don't want to lynch you. But that type of post is making it very difficult to convince me that you actually are innocent.

[Nerwen]

Current tally.

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro
Izzy -> Mith
Shasta -> Mith
Inziladun -> Kath

So it's Mith 3, Boro 3, Eomer 2.

EDIT: X's since Mith at 316.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Am I missing something? What's with the emo-posting, Mith? I have the same number of votes as you - and don't forget they're retractable.

All is not lost!

[Mithalwen]

Well I know I can't trust you at all Boromir. Not one single word.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry, missed Shasta's vote. Well, same number as Boro anyway. And don't forget Hansel and Gretel. Plenty of permutations.

[Mithalwen]

Eomer, thank you, but I am running out of time one way or another and "I maun dree my weird".:(

[Boromir88]

Well I know I can't trust you at all Boromir. Not one single word.~Mith
Then my vote will stay, and I hope the rest of the village realizes that we know our habits quite well, and this is not the innocent Mith I have confidence in.

[Mithalwen]

No, I don't think I know you at all.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I think I understand you, Mith, but there's certainly an option for one day. :)

[Nerwen]

Am I missing something? What's with the emo-posting, Mith?

Seconded. I mean, we have more than half-an-hour to deadline, and I haven't voted yet.

Um... Mith, you seem to be suggesting you know something about Boro..?

EDIT: X'd since Mith at 321.

[Aganzir]

I don't want to vote Boro because he needs to redeem himself for the fail-kill last night.
Could someone translate to me what Shasta means with this because I simply don't get it?

It was the reduced statistics not the not knowing if he had been turned.
Ah okay, I thought you were letting on him because you thought it was useless as we don't know if he's been turned and that sounded weird.

Now, it's fair enough to raise objections (and I never claimed it proved anything)... but I just don't like the way she shifts ground there.
Me neither. It looks like she's trying to make us doubt Eomer and Boro and ignore the things that make them look better.

Would there be any hint in narrations if someone gets turned, because it would be very unbalanced if we are left in the dark of how many baddies we are up against?
I agree. I know I complained that the game looked unbalanced against the baddies before it started, but well now it seems to be the opposite. It'd be great if there could be even some hint about the Reddie being turned.

I really don't know who to vote, I don't find any of those who have votes very suspicious. I'm considering Izzy who looks the worst to me but not sure yet. How many still to vote? 10?

[Mithalwen]

Nerwen, in game it is only suspicions. But don't use his claims of insight due to past acquaintace as a basis for accurate judgemnet of me.

[the phantom]

*yawns*

I hate the sound of my alarm. Hate it, hate it. But then if I liked it I wouldn't be awake for this vote, would I?

Tally anyone? I have no clue what's going on.

[Aganzir]

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro
Izzy -> Mith
Shasta -> Mith
Inziladun -> Kath

Mith 3, Boro 3, Eomer 2, Fea & Kath 1

Not voted: Nerwen, Eomer, Agan, Cab, Fea, Green, Mith, phantom
almost all of whom seem to be around

[Nerwen]

Nerwen, in game it is only suspicions. But don't use his claims of insight due to past acquaintace as a basis for accurate judgemnet of me.

Wouldn't dream of it, but... you're making my head hurt, Mith.

Eomer, thank you, but I am running out of time one way or another and "I maun dree my weird".:(

Look, I don't know what you're implying here, but... there isn't a role that dies after two Days. I double-checked.

EDIT:X'd since Mith.

[the phantom]

Thanks, Agan.

*thinks about vote*

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Can you believe two votes for me already tp? It's unheard of.

[Boromir88]

Nerwen, in game it is only suspicions. But don't use his claims of insight due to past acquaintace as a basis for accurate judgemnet of me.~Mith
I have no insight at all, I know absolutely nothing. I am trying to give you the same courtesy you have given me before and your response has been to throw it back in my face and call me a wolf.

[the phantom]

Can you believe two votes for me already tp? It's unheard of.
I can believe it, laddie. You said earlier that I don't really want to hear more from you, but I do. I find I can't really trust you unless you act like Eomer of old. Not that I'm voting for you today, but you're not helping yourself for tomorrow.

And perhaps Mith doesn't know anything about Boro, but does know something about herself, but can't say anything about it.

[the phantom]

I'm tempted to vote Lari and her whopping 1.5 posts per day. It would free her up for taking the rest of her vacation, and we might get lucky. I'm also considering Izzy because of the things I said way back on pg 6 on my village list.

[Aganzir]

I just can't believe both Boro and Mith are being honest, that looks far too ugly. But neither of them looks particularly suspicious apart from their going after each other.

edit: xed with phantom. I could vote Izzy too.

[Nerwen]

For the moment–

++Izzy.

Because of what I said earlier... which I admit is pretty thin grounds for voting someone... but I can't work out what's going on with Mith and Boro, and I don't see Eomer as particularly vote-worthy.

I may still retract and vote one of the favourites. Depends on what happens between now and DL.

X'd since tp at 333.

[Aganzir]

++Izzy

I'd rather Boro or Mith didn't die today... But I'm here and can retract if that is for some reason needed.

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro
Izzy -> Mith
Shasta -> Mith
Inziladun -> Kath
Nerwen -> Izzy
Agan -> Izzy

Mith 3, Boro 3, Izzy 2, Eomer 2, Fea & Kath 1

Not voted: Eomer, Cab, Fea, Green, Mith, phantom

[McCaber]

For once I'm almost at a loss of what to do here. I was leaning towards Mith, but now I'm starting to have my doubts.

And I only have 15 minutes to choose.

EDIT: crossed with Agan

[Boromir88]

And perhaps Mith doesn't know anything about Boro, but does know something about herself, but can't say anything about it.~tp
I feel confident enough to say she would not be acting like this if she was innocent. To call me a wolf and fight back after attempts to help, her immediate jump on Izzy after Izzy voted for her. She made a plea for one more day, and I tried to test to see if she was sincere and her responses to me have failed to convince me.

[A Little Green]

I'm inclined to think Boro innocentish so I'd rather not see him go - but then, I'm not sure I'd like to vote Mith or Eomer either. There are sure to be better candidates!


EDIT: x-ed with Agan, McCaber and Boro

[Mithalwen]

Since Shasta is off the cards I'd gladly go for Izzy. Her lists are faux helpful and her vote for me completely unfounded.

[the phantom]

So, what do the rest of you think? Figure Mith might be a lover who can't say so because of rules? And perhaps the way she's treated Boro and I uncharacteristically (even saying "I hate you" to me) might be her way of letting us know that she guessed the two of us as her lover and it didn't work out.

[Boromir88]

No. We solve this today. You either trust me and go for Mith, or get rid of me.

We do not turn this into a bandwagon against some other random person.

[A Little Green]

Izzy? I'm not convinced about her either. How many still to vote? What are you planning to do? I wouldn't like to cast a throwaway vote.


EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, Lari would be a fair option. I'm also happy voting Shasta.

The Eomer of old? The one who blabbered non-stop? Who annoyed everyone? Who never made it past Day 3 because of his tendency to acquire enemies?

Changed days indeed. :p

[Mithalwen]

No the gilt came of the gingerbread. I am fed up with being made a monkey of by people I thought were my friends. That was due to the football thing..if someone is annoyed don't poke then with a stick.

[the phantom]

The Eomer of old? The one who blabbered non-stop? Who annoyed everyone? Who never made it past Day 3 because of his tendency to acquire enemies?
Ha ha! Yes, that one! :)

And I see now that Boro is set on getting Mith lynched right now today and will not settle for anything else?

[Mithalwen]

++Izzy

[A Little Green]

Well, Lari would be a fair option. I'm also happy voting Shasta.Lari is a complete shot in the dark, I would prefer not voting her. Shasta? I don't know, I've flip-flopped about him so much and I no longer know what to think about him.


EDIT: x-ed with phantom and Mith

[A Little Green]

I guess it's

Mith, Boro, Izzy 3
Eomer 2
Fea, Kath 1

Aaaaaaaaaaaagh I hate werewolf! :D

[Aganzir]

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro
Izzy -> Mith
Shasta -> Mith
Inziladun -> Kath
Nerwen -> Izzy
Agan -> Izzy
Mith -> Izzy

Mith 3, Boro 3, Izzy 3, Eomer 2, Fea & Kath 1

Not voted: Eomer, Cab, Fea, Green, phantom

Izzy is leading right now.
Of course there's the Hansel & Gretel factor to consider but we can't do much about it.

[the phantom]

I am fed up with being made a monkey of by people I thought were my friends. That was due to the football thing..if someone is annoyed don't poke then with a stick.
The football thing? You mean being nominated to be on the team? I seem to recall you were happy about being picked as goalie last year. It's supposed to be an honor. And if you don't want to be on the team, it's a fun opportunity to decline and then we can write some sort of sports article entitled "Star GK Announces Retirement, TIG Desperate For Replacement". How is it even possible to be upset about being nominated for a team that many people would like to be on?

[A Little Green]

I have nothing on Izzy, I don't know about Mith, and I don't suspect Boro. This is not nice.

[Nerwen]

And I see now that Boro is set on getting Mith lynched right now today and will not settle for anything else?

Apparently. What is with these guys?

Boro, do you know something about Mith?

[Boromir88]

And if some innocent gets lynched because of you tp, or you Eomer, then I am immediately coming after you the next day.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

So why not Shasta, again?

[Nerwen]

The football thing? You mean being nominated to be on the team? I seem to recall you were happy about being picked as goalie last year. It's supposed to be an honor. And if you don't want to be on the team, it's a fun opportunity to decline and then we can write some sort of sports article entitled "Star GK Announces Retirement, TIG Desperate For Replacement". How is it even possible to be upset about being nominated for a team that many people would like to be on?

You talk football at a time like this?

[the phantom]

I'm way too tired for this.

++Izzy

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And if some innocent gets lynched because of you tp, or you Eomer, then I am immediately coming after you the next day.

Of course, it would be our fault. :p

[Boromir88]

Boro, do you know something about Mith?~Nerwen
Besides my other post today which I gave reasons, only that I trust I know her habits quite well and she is not looking like an innocent Mith.

[A Little Green]

++ Mithalwen

Because I suspect her more than Boro or Izzy.


EDIT: x-ed since my last

[Nerwen]

So why not Shasta, again?

I don't know. No-one voted for him, for some reason.

That's quite odd, actually.

EDIT: X'd since my last post.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++SHASTA

Sorry, I just can't decide.

[Aganzir]

Lari -> Boro
Gaur -> Boro
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer
Gwath -> Boro
Izzy -> Mith
Shasta -> Mith
Inziladun -> Kath
Nerwen -> Izzy
Agan -> Izzy
Mith -> Izzy
phantom -> Izzy
Green -> Mith
Eomer -> Shasta

Mith 4, Boro 3, Izzy 4, Eomer 2, Fea & Kath & Shasta 1

Not voted: Cab, Fea

[Mithalwen]

Well you helped get innocent Nienna lynched which is more than TP or I did, so do be so self righteous.

[McCaber]

Well then. 5 of us left, and still no real answers. I'm in the same boat as Greenie here. None of these are a real choice for me.

++Mith

EDIT: crossed with a lot.

[the phantom]

You talk football at a time like this?
Might as well. If she's going to be unpleasant about something that was supposed to be fun, then I'm going to be less likely to save her skin in this village.

[wilwarin538]

It's done. Stop please.

Narration soon.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm drowning in tears. :rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

Eomer ... go for Shata tomorrow it is worth it . please .... make the wolves kill me or ..... this will mean you are another Ordo down.

[the phantom]

*goes back to bed*

[Gaurcrist]

Due to recent events I do not quit. I am sorry for my previous actions.

[Nerwen]

I thought this game was supposed to be a fun game for all to work together and figure out who the baddies are. Well, I'm not having any fun at all and so I quit.

Oh.

[wilwarin538]

The sun began to set again on our little village, the Day had gone by quickyly, with much arguing and they now knew they had to choose.

Fair Mithalwen received the most votes and was slowly led to the gallows. They led her solemnly to the hidden little section of town, all remembering the tragic events of the previous Day. Mith suddenly stopped and turned around, facing the crowd with a very distraught look on her face.

"It's you isn't it?!" She yelled pointing at a certain villager, "Or is it you?!" she yelled again pointing at another. She did this 3 more times, and when she didn't get the answer she wanted she quietly said "All I wanted was my baby back."

"What is she talking about?" McCaber asked, very confused and suspicious.

"It doesn't matter, she's just trying to fool us." Agan added as they continued to lead Mith up to the hanging noose.

"Yeah, we can't let her trick us." Eomer agreed, placing the rope around her neck.

The villagers stood back and watched, not acting as barbarically as they had the previous Day. A tear ran down Mith's cheek as she began to say "All I wanted was my...." but the pull of the lever cut her off.

Nothing happened. A faint chill went down everyone's spines as they swore they could hear the cry of a young child in the distance. They shook off the, what had to be, imaginary sound as they all parted ways and walked towards their homes.

The evil Rumpelstiltskin smiled to himself as he slowly shrunk down to his proper form. He had gotten away with it, he was now safe from her and had won his prize.

The baddies walked towards the Old Witch's house yet again, preparing to cause more havic to the innocent little village. The Night began to grow darker.

The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – minstrel – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - herbalist - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
Sally - some poor serving girl who has no money to buy sweets
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Shasta - fletcher
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Boro88 - the shruberrer
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

It is now Night 3. Baddies may discuss. Names please from all those who owe me them.

[wilwarin538]

The sun rose on our little village yet again and the villagers gathered in the middle of the town square. After a quick look around it became obvious that Boro was the one missing.

The crowd drew close together and began walking towards the shrubber’s house. It was a cute little house, with a lawn covered in various sized shrubs. Any stranger would have a difficult time navigating through the maze; but the villagers had all visited Boro many times so they arrived at his door quickly.

A familiar sight was before them, the door had been broken down just like Lommy’s. They stepped in cautiously and made their way through each room until they arrived at the kitchen. They smelt butter and garlic before they found him.

Boro was on the floor, his legs were missing and there was a small puddle of butter around him mixed in with blood. The villagers stared at him in shock.

“Why his legs? That’s so odd…” Inziladun said, quite distraught over the loss of his employer.

“Noooooooooooo!!!” Sally cried as she pushed to the front of the crowd. She fell on her knees beside Boro and began to sob. “But we had such little time together, how could you leave me?”

The villagers stared on in shock as Sally reached for a large pair of shrubbing shears. “I know you’d want me to be strong, but I just can’t do this without you.” She cried before bowing her head and thrusting the giant scissors into her torso.

The villagers watched this tragic sight with their mouths gaping open. Then one by one they bowed their heads at the scene and then left the room. The Fairy Godmother held back and slowly slipped a letter into the hand of the wielder of the looking glass. He took it and slipped it into his pocket. As they walked out their eyes met quickly and they were both grateful to have a new ally, especially after the terrible scene they had just witnessed.

They all made their way to the village square once again and began discussing, hoping today would be the day they would succeed.

The dead:
Nienna - bookkeeper - hung Day 1 - ordinary villager
Lommy – minstrel – mauled Night 2 – ordinary villager
Mith - herbalist - lynched Day 2 - Fair Maiden
Boro88 - the shruber – yum, frog legs Night 3 – Frog-Prince
Sally – poor serving girl – died of shear sorrow Night 3 - Princess

The living:
Nerwen - bookmaker
Eomer - gravedigger
Aganzir - jailor, arena and lions included
McCaber - humble shopkeeper
Izzy - baker
Mira - apothocary
Gaurcrist - blacksmith
Shasta - fletcher
Gwath - drunk vagrant
Kath - restaurant owner
Inziladun - shruberrer's apprentice
Fea - Storyteller
Greenie - school teacher
Lari - fortune teller
the phantom - the crazy book liberator

It is now Day 3. You may discuss. Names please form all those who need to give me one.

[Lariren Shadow]

Well that was not good. Not good at all.

And I'm going to go back on my word as I'm not feeling too hot at the moment and going to vote now. I really do promise to be there toMorrow. Really truly do.

So my vote is for

++Fea

She seems to be playing with few words and such. To me, when she does that, at least recently, she has been guilty.

Off to go lye in bed.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Does this mean Sally picked Boro last night, causing him to turn into the prince, only for one of them to be attacked by the wolves?

Also, why did Mith insist we go after Shasta today? I thought she was hinting that she was the Seer but obviously not.

[Nerwen]

, why did Mith insist we go after Shasta today? I thought she was hinting that she was the Seer but obviously not.

I think she just felt sure he was a baddie. But then, she and Boro were convinced of each other's guilt, and look how well that panned out.

EDIT:emphasis.

[Nerwen]

Hey, Lari, hope you feel better soon.

[Aganzir]

Does this mean Sally picked Boro last night, causing him to turn into the prince, only for one of them to be attacked by the wolves?
I don't know, sally was definitely being weird yesterday but it's hard to tell if they had already been united. I'm not even sure how useful piece of information knowing that is in trying to figure out the wolves, but I suppose the time could be found out from their posts.

And Eomer why didn't you try to save Mith if you thought she was the seer, but threw away your vote on Shasta instead? That looks simply evil. And to be honest, to me it looked more like you had guessed Mith was the Fair Maiden, the way you behaved...

I'm surprised the wolves killed Boro, they could probably have tried to make him a nice lynch target today. First Lommy then him might point to quiet or relatively new wolves though.

I understand she can do little about it, but I don't like Lari's votes and I want to hear more from her.

Also, I slept like five hours last night because I'm pathetic, and then sat another four hours in the back of a computer lab, the air-conditioning system of which was broken, watching a bunch of people write philosophical essays. From that the brightest of you might figure that I am not in an especially jolly or helpful mood at the moment.

I'll be here for a while before going to sleep, but I'm not going to be much around today anyway.

[the phantom]

Well, that's a bit of bad luck that the Princess found the Frog early.

So it turns out my instinct of not wanting to lynch Boro or Mith was right.
And perhaps Mith doesn't know anything about Boro, but does know something about herself, but can't say anything about it.
So yeah, that was right. Unfortunately, she was acting odd and so that threw me off just enough to make me hesitate launching an all out "Please Save Mith!" campaign. But in hindsight we can now see that her behavior and comments were due to RL reasons.

Well, this means that on Day 1 the baddies had no interest in saving Boro from lynching, which means they were free to toss up anyone they wanted. Shasta made his charge very late, so even if he is a baddie I doubt the vote could tell us anything about his helpers. So, I think the best I can do with the Day 1 vote is say that the Baddies could be hiding most anywhere.

And yesterday's voting depends largely upon Izzy's guilt. If she's innocent then perhaps Nerwen and Agan and maybe Eomer don't look so good, as well as maybe Inzil. If she's up to no good then maybe Green and McCaber look suspicious. Or if Eomer is evil then maybe Gwath and Shasta don't look great.

Anyway, I can only hope the Seer is gathering some good information and can help us out at some point later.

[the phantom]

For today I'm looking to preserve McCaber and Mira, and probably Agan and Shasta. I'm not sure about Green. I want to take a closer look at Izzy, Nerwen, and Eomer. Though they could save me the trouble by just telling me if they're bad. How about it, laddie? Are you the RB?

[the phantom]

Oh, almost forgot to ask- Shasta...

Yesterday you miscounted the vote, and gave Mith only one vote when she actually had two.

Was that because you are Hansel and had used your power to make Boro's vote not count and thus when you counted you knew his wasn't real?

[Gaurcrist]

I will share what I am thinking about who is bad.

Baddies:
Phantom (just plain mean)
Eomer
Greenie

[Inziladun]

If there's a bright spot in this for me, at least my read of Boro was correct and he wasn't a baddie. That tells me I might be getting a bit better at figuring things out.
Speaking of baddies, it's high time we found one.
I want to hear from McCaber some more. He never did explain his comment in #186, despite repeated requests to do so. I'd also like to see more of Fea, Shasta, and Gwath.
I still have some misgivings about Kath, but as no one else seems to feel the same way, perhaps I'm simply wrong (it has happened on occasion). :confused:

[Gaurcrist]

Well, maybe Phantom is bad. Well, you might say that I just want to lynch him to get back at him and, yes, maybe that is true, but also maybe he is actually a baddie. Maybe he is acting like a baddie in order to make us think we should vote for him and then say, "Wait! He wouldn't act like a baddie!" Well, even if he isn't bad, it seems like he wanted people to die. Let's take a look at what he said. Boro[/B] or Mith was right.


Oh yes, you know all O mighty Phantom :o

Doesn't it seem suspicious that he would pop up saying, "Oh, I knew I should have done that!" right after someone was killed. If you wanted to save them, Phantom, you would have campaigned. Well, according to what I have just said, I will vote Phantom.

++Phantom

[Inziladun]

Doesn't it seem suspicious that he would pop up saying, "Oh, I knew I should have done that!" right after someone was killed. If you were right, Phantom, you would have campaigned. Well, according to what I have just said, I will vote Phantom.

I'm on the fence about phantom. I don't have a strong feeling of him one way or the other right now. He could be a gifted villager accomplishing all sorts of good behind the scenes, or an immensely crafty evildoer who knows just what to say to allay suspicion. I feel a bit better that even those who have played with him before seem as uncertain as I.

[McCaber]

That's just what phantom does. And to be honest, he was indeed against lynching either one of them.

Sorry about the lack of explanation for my comment. It's as simple as I thought Boro was handing out gifted cues, and I was willing to wait another day to see what would become of it. I wasn't getting the same from Nienna, so I made a decision.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hoom hrm, Agan, I said that I thought Mith was giving out Seer-hints - not that I believed her in any way. That's why I didn't try to save her. And why does it look from the way I behaved that I guessed she was the Fair Maiden? Pray tell how Mith was behaving like the Fair Maiden?

[the phantom]

If you wanted to save them, Phantom, you would have campaigned.
I did vote for a different candidate and shopped around to see who else would vote for me. So I did mount an attempt to save them. What I didn't do is go completely out on a limb, primarily because there were some unexplained comments being made by Mith. It is only now after the fact that we can see there were other things (RL) beneath the surface that inspired those comments.

Besides myself, I note that Agan is the only other one who has't voted for a proven innocent yet. Is she good and right, or is she evil and crafty and simply knows how to keep her hands clean?

*waits for Shasta to show up*

EDIT: forgot Sally was dead

[the phantom]

Pray tell how Mith was behaving like the Fair Maiden?
She gave that quote from Morwen ("I am spent, I go with the sun"), and the story of Morwen's life is that she lost her children.

[Gwathagor]

Hey, sorry again I wasn't around yesterDay. THere wasn't anything I could really do about it. But, I'm here now, and I'll be in and out throughout the day.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

She gave that quote from Morwen ("I am spent, I go with the sun"), and the story of Morwen's life is that she lost her children.

Aganzir is going to have to forgive my ignorance of Tolkien lore, then. :p

[Isabellkya]

Well someone crapped on toast this morning.

Sorry Mith. I take partial responsibility in your death. I didn't think even the newborn wolf-pups would latch onto and wagon my vote. Which in all honesty is a new thing for me, not being around at deadline. It really gives one a headache, voting hours before the arrival of deadline. You vote for someone you find suspicious, but will the nasties jump on the wagon closer to deadline?


I'll have to re-read yesterDays events close to deadline. As I didn't notice Shasta miscounted a vote. Though when I read it yesterday morning, I was quite irritated I wasn't around at deadline to retract my vote after Shasta voted for Mith. Hypocritical much? I seem to recall you mentioning something about not showing reasons. I don't recall you giving any reasons for suspicions on Mith.

phantom, Sally is dead.

[Aganzir]

Well, that's a bit of bad luck that the Princess found the Frog early.
But hardly surprising, given that the frog wanted to be found. And although the lovers die together, it's also often easier to process one's thoughts with someone else and reach conclusions, so a united lover pair certainly isn't a disadvantage.

Anyway now one third of us are baddies. We could pretty much roll dice to decide who to lynch and our chances of getting a baddie wouldn't be considerably worse, they'd possibly be even better considering the number of people with few posts.

I still have some misgivings about Kath, but as no one else seems to feel the same way, perhaps I'm simply wrong (it has happened on occasion).
I don't know why but this comment bothers me. If you suspect her, point out why instead of just saying you have some vague misgivings about her. At the moment it looks like you're just testing the ice to see if anyone else could start suspecting Kath, and when not, you back off immediately.

Doesn't it seem suspicious that he would pop up saying, "Oh, I knew I should have done that!" right after someone was killed.
Not really, mainly because my thoughts about lynching them were pretty similar to his. I didn't specifically want to save them, either, because they were acting really weird and it looked like there was something to it. But apparently that something wasn't in-game...
And as for that gloating, it's simply like him.

I'm still flip-flopping on Greenie. The way she flip-flopped on Cab & Shasta looked innocent but her posting near the deadline & her vote looked somehow... too calculating.

Hoom hrm, Agan, I said that I thought Mith was giving out Seer-hints - not that I believed her in any way. That's why I didn't try to save her. And why does it look from the way I behaved that I guessed she was the Fair Maiden? Pray tell how Mith was behaving like the Fair Maiden?
I didn't connect the Morwen quote to lost children, but she asked for one more day which I interpreted as a FM hint (since I had said on day 1 that her chances were best if she used all her guesses on day 3), and also "I am running out of time one way or another and "I maun dree my weird"." looked vaguely Fair Maidenish to me.
And then you posted that "there's certainly an option for one day" comment. Now, you see, I am a non-native speaker, but how I interpreted it was "You don't need that extra day if you guess five people already today".
And then you voted for someone who had no chance of being lynched, which looked pretty much like "tee-hee lynch a possible gifted, but oh I have so much difficulties deciding who to vote!"

Besides myself, I note that Sally and Agan are the only other two who haven't voted for a proven innocent yet.
Well since sally doesn't seem to be here to defend herself right now, I can do it for her - I'm rather convinced she voted for an innocent on day 1. ;) And as for Aganzir, I'd like to think she's both good and right but we don't know it for sure as long as the village stubbornly refuses to listen to her wise counsel! :Merisu:

*waits for Shasta to show up*
I thought it best to inform you that I read that as "waits for Shasta to grow up". You're such a gentleman, phantom. ;)

edit: xed with Eomer (yes I think I have to forgive you since I didn't get that reference myself, either) & Izzy (bah why did you tell him sally's dead?)

[the phantom]

phantom, Sally is dead.
Ah, yes, so she is. Sorry.

*goes and fixes*

She was so quiet this game I guess I didn't notice the difference. :p

[Nerwen]

Nerwen's Helpful Hints For Newbies, Vol 1:)

I will share what I am thinking about who is bad.

Baddies:
Phantom (just plain mean)
Eomer
Greenie

Okay... that's not sharing your thoughts, Gaurcrist. "Sharing your thoughts" would mean saying why you think those three are bad.

Now on to the next one:

Well, maybe Phantom is bad. Well, you might say that I just want to lynch him to get back at him and, yes, maybe that is true, but also maybe he is actually a baddie.

Well, yes, maybe he is. This is Werewolf... sort of the whole point of the game is that anyone might be a baddie.

he is acting like a baddie in order to make us think we should vote for him and then say, "Wait! He wouldn't act like a baddie!"

Why is he "acting like a baddie"? (This is not to say that I trust the phantom... you can just never tell whether he's evil or not.)

, even if he isn't bad, it seems like he wanted people to die. Let's take a look at what he said.

:confused:

Gaurcrist, the quote you give here ("So it turns out my instinct of not wanting to lynch Boro or Mith was right") has nothing– nothing at all– to do with your description of it. Can't you see that?

...And then you vote tp for saying he was glad he hadn't lynched a known innocent! :eek:

Look... you just can't vote people on grounds like that. It's a good way to get yourself lynched. Perhaps not this time around, but that's only because you're new and for meta-game reasons, like the fact that that wolf-cubs usually get advice from their elders, and that a wolf is unlikely to quit like you did.

Actually, though, you could still be LRC and have been turned last Night. Hmmn. I hadn't thought of that until just then.

She gave that quote from Morwen ("I am spent, I go with the sun"), and the story of Morwen's life is that she lost her children.

But– are you saying you noticed that at the time, phantom? And realized she was the Fair Maiden? I didn't.


Anyway.. the problem is that since both Boro and Mith were innocent, it's hard to learn much from the voting. At least not while we're in the dark about Izzy and Shasta.

I hesitate to say, "lynch one of them just to see"... but we would get information that way.

But there's also all the throwaway votes yesterDay. I think they'd bear looking at, particularly the late ones (Eomer for Shasta and Inziladun for Kath.)

EDIT:X'd since the phantom at #394.
EDIT2:Added quote.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

If Mith was going to be killed then forgive my bluntness but it didn't really matter too much to the village unless she was the Seer. I told her that, if she was the Seer, don't fret too much, stop being so darn suspicious, and get one more night (because the Ranger would surely protect her) and then we'd still have some use of her info.

The way it turned out, she just confused matters. She wasn't the Seer so why does it matter too much that we lynch her instead of yet another innocent?

So that's all I was doing in my 'wink wink' communication with Mith yesterday.

And why was she so convinced about Shasta?

[Isabellkya]

"However, refusal to share thoughts isn't generally the greatest way to help innocents." ~ Shasta in #291.


Persons of Interest (re: possible fairytale characters gone wrong)

Aganzir: I think she's still mad at me for last game. Also, her comment about Lommy in her first post today rang a bell for me. It was a nice, shiny bell. A "For Whom The Bell Tolls" type bell.

Gwath: Given that I voted Boro yesterday to be consistent... no, you're not allowed to call me a hypocrite! That was yesterday! This is today! And I feel like he stole my reason from yesterday to hide that his vote is bandwagon-worthy.

Nerwen: I really, really, really think she's innocent. Obviously this means she is evil and should be lynched ASAP, according to my performance last game. Faulty wiring in the head, and mist in the crystal ball, I'm telling you.

Fea: She's under my radar. She's NEVER under my radar. What's going on?!

McCaber: Under my radar (as usual). I want to lynch him (as usual). However, I'm going to push past my prejudice (as usual) and vote someone else (as usual).

I don't see Mith here.

#299 he votes and miscounts the vote tally. I suppose you wanted to keep your vote amongst those already voted for. But why not Fea whom was on your "possible fairytale characters gone wrong" list? Or why not vote for someone you actually found suspicious?

As well given what you said to Gaurcrist in #291. Where are your reasons for voting Mith? You gave reasons why you wouldn't vote for Boro and Eomer.

X'd since my last post.

[the phantom]

But– are you saying you noticed that at the time, phantom? I didn't.
I can't remember precisely when I spotted it. She made that statement before I showed up and with less than 30 minutes left I was frantically trying to get caught up as well as keep up with current happenings. I think I had noticed it when I made my post at 22 minutes till, in which I told Boro "Maybe Mith knows something about herself but cannot say anything about it", which showed that I was leaning towards her being a Goodie under orders not to reveal.

As I said earlier, taken by itself I might have mounted a stronger effort to save her, but her other statements confused me. Such as-
Well I know I can't trust you at all Boromir. Not one single word.
No, I don't think I know you at all.
I was thinking to myself, "Only the Seer could 'know' she can't trust someone. Is that what she's claiming? But then she might as well reveal if that's what she means." Due to the fact that her words were inconsistent with any role I could think of, I didn't go all out into Mith-saving mode. It's a shame RL intruded the way it did. Things could very well have turned out much better.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

As for my "throwaway" vote, I already explained that I couldn't decide between Boro and Mith. Izzy was only there because people reasoned like me and volunteered her name. They got in early so they can avoid accusations of being "throwaway". Thing is, I had wanted to vote for Shasta just about all day but held my vote to follow discussion. I still find it curious that no-one else voted for him (I think no-one else did?).

I couldn't make any conclusions on the three names offered to me so stuck with my own choice. You're welcome to see that as suspicious but I'll have to disagree.

[the phantom]

And Nerwen, I really miss your odds! I was wanting to place some bets today.

How do these sound?

20-1: We lynch an Ordo.
24-1: There won't be a last minute voting flurry.
1-1: We lynch a Baddie.
9-1: Three people or more retract their votes.
5-1: Shasta puts on another "Phantom show".
24-1: These odds I'm giving are actually a coded message.

:D

[Nerwen]

And Nerwen, I really miss your odds! I was wanting to place some bets today.

Sorry... got caught up in picking on the new kid.;)

Okay, how about

Everybody ends up voting for the same person (20-1).

We lynch another gifted/special role (2-1).

Shasta is Rumpelstiltskin (50-1).

[Isabellkya]

Oh dear. Where are Nilp and Sally when you need a previous Days vote rundown.


YesterDay's voting.


Lari -> Boro. 458pm EST.

Voting early again because I won't have internet access again for awhile and am sleepy.

++Boro

I don't like the way he sounds as of right now.


Gaur -> Boro. 514pm EST.

In my opinion, there are two people who are acting quite strange, ever since the beginning. There are A Little Green and Boromir. I have one of those feelings in my gut about Boro, and he seems to be the most suspicious. Plus, I don't like his avatar. So, I will heed the teachings of Ocham's razor and choose Boromir.

++Boromir88


Kath -> Eomer. 645pm EST.


Hi sorry I seem to have run out of time completely this evening! I'm going to have to just vote. From the look at Lommy's posts from yesterDay the one person that popped out as potentially suspicious to me was:

++EOMER

I do find him suspicious so although I would have liked to go through the rest of the posts in more detail I am happy with this vote.



Mira -> Fea. 729pm EST.


++Fea

For the reason I cited earlier. Love you dear!
Fea - Nobody's said that Fea looks suspicious yet. That generally means that she's evil. It's always when no one thinks she's suspicious that she's really evil and ends up fooling us all right until the end.



Boro -> Mith. 812pm EST.

#267 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=597497&postcount=267)



Sally -> Eomer. 1105pm EST.


Eomer, Agan, and maybe Mith are still giving me bad vibes. Alas, I can't talk too long because the laptop battery's not going to last forever, but let's just say the tone of his posts seems rather wolf-ish to me. If I die for not having time to explain, so be it, but I will vote how I feel, and that is....



Gwath -> Boro. 145am EST.


On a second thought, there's no way I'll be up in time to vote, sooo I'll stick with yesterDay's vote, for the sake of consistency.

++Boromir88


Izzy -> Mith. 448am EST.


++Mith
For reasons stated in the previous post. I find the majority of her post content lacking. Banter. Spam.


Shasta -> Mith. 648am EST.

#299 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=597542&postcount=299)



Zil -> Kath. 753am EST.


I see some nice discussion has taken place while I slept.
My tentative good feeling about Boro doesn't seem to be shared much. I find that interesting, coming from those who know him better.
Mith.... now inferring the village won't have a chance without her? And Shasta gave his vote for her as well.
I'm inclined to do the same, but Kath....
The deadline will be here about the time I'm arriving at work, so I'm going with



Nerwen -> Izzy. 841am EST.


For the moment–

++Izzy.

Because of what I said earlier... which I admit is pretty thin grounds for voting someone... but I can't work out what's going on with Mith and Boro, and I don't see Eomer as particularly vote-worthy.

I may still retract and vote one of the favourites. Depends on what happens between now and DL

This post? #308 (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=597553&postcount=308)



Agan -> Izzy. 845am EST.


++Izzy

I'd rather Boro or Mith didn't die today... But I'm here and can retract if that is for some reason needed.



Mith -> Izzy. 852am EST.


Phantom -> Izzy. 858am EST.


I'm way too tired for this.

++Izzy


Greenie -> Mith. 859am EST.


++ Mithalwen

Because I suspect her more than Boro or Izzy.



Eomer -> Shasta. 859am EST.

++SHASTA

Sorry, I just can't decide.


Caber -> Mith. 900am EST.


Well then. 5 of us left, and still no real answers. I'm in the same boat as Greenie here. None of these are a real choice for me.

++Mith










X'd since my last post, and left out Caber's vote.

[Mirandir]

Boro and sally, eh? I never would have guessed that. That being said, I'm going to go through their posts and look for hints. Then I'll start a suspicion list.

Oh, and Lari has food poisoning (we think) and won't be around.

[the phantom]

Oh, and Lari has food poisoning (we think) and won't be around.
Well, that settles it. If Lari's going to die in RL anyway we might as well kill her off in the game too.

[Aganzir]

Actually, though, you could still be LRC and have been turned last Night. Hmmn. I hadn't thought of that until just then.
Where did that come from?

She wasn't the Seer so why does it matter too much that we lynch her instead of yet another innocent?
How come you're so certain about Izzy's innocence? ;)

Anyway I'm going to sleep now. I'll pop in to vote in the morning but I doubt I'm going to post much. Sorry this is just a busy day.

And as for voting, I really feel like going for someone with few posts because there are too many of them and I don't want yet another quiet wolf victory.

[wilwarin538]

Well, that settles it. If Lari's going to die in RL anyway we might as well kill her off in the game too.

:eek: You're so aweful, haha. ;)

[the phantom]

Hee hee... I made sure and asked Mira how bad it was before I made my comment. ;)

[Mirandir]

So that did not go nearly as well as I had hoped, mostly due to a severe lack of posts on sally's part. This is what I did find, however:

I really don't think Boro's guilty, just frustrated. So killing him seems, at least to me, a bad plan. Certainly not the most lovely idea I've ever heard.

Then in 278 she lists him as "Not Bad."

That was probably one of the most pathetic cases I have ever made. And we all know how pathetic some of my cases have been.

I'm off to check my laundry and then I'll be back to make a case against...someone. :D

EDIT: And yes, phantom did check before he made the comment. Just in case you didn't trust him for some reason. :rolleyes:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

How come you're so certain about Izzy's innocence? ;)

Hrm, hoom; if I was paranoid I'd be screaming at you twisting my words, Agan. :p

When I say "Why would it matter if we killed Mith rather than any other innocent", I refer not to Izzy or any particular villager.

It is a general rule, I believe, that no innocent should cause too much trouble if seeming in danger of being lynched. The way Mithalwen was carrying on yesterday, when she didn't have too many votes and nothing was decided, suggested that it was really, really bad that she might die. This is only true if she's the Seer. Obviously she wasn't, so I don't see why there was such a drama yesterday.

I am talking about Mithalwen's behaviour, early on in the day; you took my words out of context, and applied them to the end of the day, when Izzy was suddenly a genuine lynching candidate.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And really, all this explaining myself is putting me on a very public pedestal so I'd rather do something constructive, if that's ok. :D

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ha! It's you, isn't it phantom? I know it. It's probably still worth lynching Shasta too, mind.

Call it seeing what you want to see, but why, oh why, would Boromir be killed? Trouble-maker? Likely to rouse suspicion upon his own self? Quite like Lommy actually.

You're taking down those who would stand up to you.

Crude, I know. There are more subtle ways to put forth one's suspicion, but oh well. Anyone else getting this feeling?

[Inziladun]

I still have some misgivings about Kath, but as no one else seems to feel the same way, perhaps I'm simply wrong (it has happened on occasion). :confused:

I don't know why but this comment bothers me. If you suspect her, point out why instead of just saying you have some vague misgivings about her. At the moment it looks like you're just testing the ice to see if anyone else could start suspecting Kath, and when not, you back off immediately.

Well, I thought I gave a reason why here:

Kath has been calmly dropping in from time to time, offering a few perfectly legitimate observations, than quietly disappearing. She has set her vote for Eomer, who I haven't gotten much from, and offered no good reason for doing so.

Her rationale for voting for Eomer just didn't ring true to me, and it bothered me how early in the Day she had voted. In fact , I don't recall her showing up again that Day. That, coupled with her unobtrusivness made me suspicious. The background lurkers seem to make people uneasy, and I can now see why.
And if I appeared to be "backing down" on that, I am not. Until I see something to allay my fears I'll continue to keep her in mind.
Mith was my other choice. I was pressed for time and had to make a quick decision. I was wavering until the last minute, but chose Kath based primarily on the fact that Mith was there and obviously not trying to hide in the shadows.

[the phantom]

You're taking down those who would stand up to you.
What does it matter who stands up to me if the Seer is still alive? We could have a village full of timid little mice, but if the Seer outs me I'm toast just the same. The Seer is approximately 274 times more dangerous than loud-mouths. Saying that I kill people based on whether they "stand up to me" is an insult to my common sense.

In my last game as a Wolf Shasta, Nerwen, Kath, and Durelin were alive the last day. The game before that I left Kuru and Ang alive till the end. The game before that I left the flippin Barrow-Wight alive till the end! No, no, Eomer... I don't mind loud independent folks at all. I am not frightened of people- I am frightened of the roles they have.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And this is a game where I hope the Seer has dreamed about you. :)

[Gaurcrist]

Look... you just can't vote people on grounds like that. It's a good way to get yourself lynched.

Lynch me then.

[Inziladun]

What does it matter who stands up to me if the Seer is still alive? We could have a village full of timid little mice, but if the Seer outs me I'm toast just the same. The Seer is approximately 274 times more dangerous than loud-mouths. Saying that I kill people based on whether they "stand up to me" is an insult to my common sense.

I don't quite see why you would worry about the Seer unless you have something to hide.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Oh, almost forgot to ask- Shasta...

Yesterday you miscounted the vote, and gave Mith only one vote when she actually had two.

Was that because you are Hansel and had used your power to make Boro's vote not count and thus when you counted you knew his wasn't real?


Nope. When I voted, I was going by Izzy's vote count in #285, and I completely missed that Izzy herself had voted Mith after that.

I'd also like to see more of Fea, Shasta, and Gwath.

People always want to see more of me. It's my stunning good looks. ;)

Regarding Gaurcrist: The way he's going after Phantom specifically to the exclusion of all else, because of his playing style... hmm... who does that remind me of? Someone charming, handsome, and psychic, but I can't put a name to him... I'll have to think.

Agan, I said that I thought Mith was giving out Seer-hints - not that I believed her in any way.

What was the point in pointing that out then? Simply saying "Mith is giving out Seer-hints" is hardly helpful to the village regardless of whether you believe her.

I'm still flip-flopping on Greenie. The way she flip-flopped on Cab & Shasta looked innocent but her posting near the deadline & her vote looked somehow... too calculating.


Agan, this is the second time you've said this and I'm no less confused than the first time. Since when is flip-flopping an innocent tell? Especially since I know I've seen you make cases on Lommy based on "flip-flopping".

I thought it best to inform you that I read that as "waits for Shasta to grow up".

Sniff. No one's ever mean to Phantom when he acts like this.

Nerwen, I agree with everything you said regarding Gaurcrist.

I don't see Mith here.

#299 he votes and miscounts the vote tally. I suppose you wanted to keep your vote amongst those already voted for. But why not Fea whom was on your "possible fairytale characters gone wrong" list? Or why not vote for someone you actually found suspicious?

As well given what you said to Gaurcrist in #291. Where are your reasons for voting Mith? You gave reasons why you wouldn't vote for Boro and Eomer.

I wanted to keep my vote among those already voted for, and for some reason, given something I'd read (I don't remember exactly what it was) I was under the impression that Fea was having RL issues.

Ha! It's you, isn't it phantom? I know it. It's probably still worth lynching Shasta too, mind.


Just because you don't want to waste a kill on me at night, Eomer... :rolleyes:

In my last game as a Wolf Shasta, Nerwen, Kath, and Durelin were alive the last day.

Don't remind me of that travesty, Phantom, please. :p

[the phantom]

I don't quite see why you would worry about the Seer unless you have something to hide.
I was answering the question from the perspective of a Werewolf, Inzil, showing that the logical behavior did not match up with what actually happened.

[Inziladun]

I was answering the question from the perspective of a Werewolf, Inzil, showing that the logical behavior did not match up with what actually happened.

Ahh. Right over my head.

[the phantom]

Nope. When I voted, I was going by Izzy's vote count in #285, and I completely missed that Izzy herself had voted Mith after that.
Rats. There goes that theory.
hmm... who does that remind me of?
Hee hee... It's on the tip of my tongue.
Sniff. No one's ever mean to Phantom when he acts like this.
Ha ha! Yeah right.
And this is a game where I hope the Seer has dreamed about you. :)
I'm usually the first to shout, "You know I've been dreamed of already, so leave me alone!" but I'm not going to say it this time. I've been paying attention to posts as much as I can, and thus far I haven't gotten the feeling that I've been a dream target. The people who are my leading candidates for Seer haven't indicated it, anyway. But perhaps Seer is just laying low.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

What was the point in pointing that out then? Simply saying "Mith is giving out Seer-hints" is hardly helpful to the village regardless of whether you believe her.

Er, what are you talking about it? I was speaking with Aganzir about why I didn't save Mith, and now you're jumping in and saying I'm not helpful. It's perfectly helpful because I'm explaining my vote and suspicions.

:confused:

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Anyway, I'm going to bed now. I'll be back to help lynch Shasta in the morning. :p

[Shastanis Althreduin]

My point is, Eomer, that I can't see why an innocent would bring into the open any Seer-hints he saw. Sorry for not clarifying.

[Mirandir]

#203 Complains about Nienna's death.

#231 Wonders if Lommy was the safe kill/if was part of a lover pair

I mean, the seer is obviously a major target, but in this game, with so many roles, I'd be hard pressed to figure out as a wolf who I'd kill first, and that's sad since my typical playing strategy is to think "What would the wolves do?"[QUOTE]

Now this statement seems innocent enough. However, nothing that seems innocent with Fea ever is unless she's a baddie.

#275 [QUOTE=Feanor of the Peredhil;597513]My gut says to lynch people I regularly interact with early, that way I don't have to try to psychoanalyze them later when it's more important that we get things right. It always saddens me to think I've got somebody's character nailed and then find out they've been murdering my team mates in my sleep.

Earlier she complained about Nienna being killed so early on. That would lead me to believe that she was on Nienna's team (of being an ordo). However, Fea is generally not that obvious with a role hint.

And then she slept through deadline and has failed to post since. Normally I'd consider that suspicious, but I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt purely because of serious RL issues.

Of course, this entire theory is based purely on previous games that I've played/observed with her more than her actions in this game. However, that being said, I'd still consider her suspicious.

It's also shower/sleep/fold laundry time for Mira, so I'm just going to vote now.

++Fea

[Isabellkya]

Again.
Why didn't you vote for someone whom you found suspicious Shasta?

Unless I am mistaken, your post #292 was about those who you found to be possible baddies. At the time of your vote, the only one whom was on your list and on the block was Fea.

None of the others on the block, were on your list. (pointing out the obvious from the previous sentence.)

Keeping your vote amongst those already on the block, is well and good - if you actually suspect them. But voting for someone whom you haven't posted thoughts about - speaks to the case that you are just jumping on a wagon, and there for up to no good.

At this point. I think it highly likely that either you are a sloppy baddie, or the Cobbler. Though there is a little chance that you are an Ordo, who is not much paying attention.


X'd with Shasta and Mira.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Izzy, I already stated that my reason for not voting Fea was because she was having RL issues. My vote for Mith was based on my having better reasons to not vote for Boro, Eomer, and Fea than I had reasons not to vote Mith.

[Isabellkya]

Uh huh.
I smell something, and it is neither pleasant nor appropriate to say it specifically.

[Gwathagor]

Lynch me then.

Nice, Gaurcrist! Ha ha. :smokin:

[Gwathagor]

I don't quite see why you would worry about the Seer unless you have something to hide.

I think phantom is speaking theoretically; feel free to correct me I'm wrong, Mr. P.

[EDIT: I notice that tp said basically this later on. I apologize for being redundant.]

But, who says Boro and Lommy weren't seer candidates in the eyes of the wolves?

[Gwathagor]

My point is, Eomer, that I can't see why an innocent would bring into the open any Seer-hints he saw. Sorry for not clarifying.

I agree with you here, Shasta. Why would an innocent want to bring the identity of the Seer to the attention of the village and consequently the wolves as well? On the other hand, why would a wolf bother when it could just PM its fellows that Night? Pointing out possible innocent gifteds is cobbler behavior, and it's what made me suspicious of Boro a couple of days ago (I was wrong about him, of course).

[Gwathagor]

#203 Complains about Nienna's death.

#231 Wonders if Lommy was the safe kill/if was part of a lover pair

[quote=Feanor of the Peredhil;597442]I mean, the seer is obviously a major target, but in this game, with so many roles, I'd be hard pressed to figure out as a wolf who I'd kill first, and that's sad since my typical playing strategy is to think "What would the wolves do?"[quote]

Now this statement seems innocent enough. However, nothing that seems innocent with Fea ever is unless she's a baddie.

#275

Earlier she complained about Nienna being killed so early on. That would lead me to believe that she was on Nienna's team (of being an ordo). However, Fea is generally not that obvious with a role hint.

And then she slept through deadline and has failed to post since. Normally I'd consider that suspicious, but I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt purely because of serious RL issues.

Of course, this entire theory is based purely on previous games that I've played/observed with her more than her actions in this game. However, that being said, I'd still consider her suspicious.

It's also shower/sleep/fold laundry time for Mira, so I'm just going to vote now.

++Fea

So, to sum up, your case against Fea is that she appeared to imply her own innocence? Or is there anything else?

[the phantom]

Eomer- I don't think you ever answered the question I asked at the beginning of the day. Are you the RB?

Also, if you get the chance, Green, could you explain your Mith vote to me? I have written down that you said you didn't like any of the available candidates (you named Mith, Boro, and Eomer) but then you voted for Mith even though Izzy was available as an option, and you had not listed her as a bad lynch choice, where as you had mentioned Mith.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Gwath: I think Mira's just being lazy. She's gotta make a case against somebody, and it's always easy to make a case against me: I'm me; plus I've been busy, so I haven't posted so much that analyzing me is time consuming. She's all busy and needs a scapegoat, methinks. :p

That being said, if people want to not vote for me for whatever reason, I won't beg them please, oh pretty please, lynch me, lynch me.

And that being said, why should we be lynching Gaurcrist then (his words, not mine). I think I missed something with some interaction or another...

And does lynching constitute meanness? Or does he get a free ride regardless of contribution just because the phantom can be overbearing?

This time I swear I'll be up before deadline (I'm taking Lari's shift, so I'm guaranteed to be up in time to read, analyze, and vote).

But until then... I just got home (caught up, posting now) and need sleep so that I can be the Spectacular Room-mate of Awesomeness and go get Lari from an airport two hours away (you know, after working a six hour shift for her). Oooh boy does that girl owe me.

[Inziladun]

That being said, if people want to not vote for me for whatever reason, I won't beg them please, oh pretty please, lynch me, lynch me.

So do you or don't you want to be lynched now? :)

And that being said, why should we be lynching Gaurcrist then (his words, not mine). I think I missed something with some interaction or another...

Gaurcrist's response to a comment by Nerwen directed at him in # 400 was
Lynch me then., which I thought was actually pretty funny.:D

[Aganzir]

When I say "Why would it matter if we killed Mith rather than any other innocent", I refer not to Izzy or any particular villager.
Not twisting - paraphrasing. ;)
It sort of looked like you slipped Izzy is innocent or something. And no, I didn't see you were talking about the beginning of the day. If there was something that indicated so, point it out, please.

I don't recall her showing up again that Day. That, coupled with her unobtrusivness made me suspicious.
Usually if people don't show up, it's for real life reasons. And well in my opinion Kath is not as much of a background lurker than some people who might have more posts than her (say, Mira & Gwath).
Yes you did give your reasons there, but they were more like describing what Kath's been doing and raising a single single thing that looked weird to you.
And as for keeping her in mind, that comment looked pretty opportunistic. Like, "I'll keep her in mind and start suspecting her again if someone else does, too, but if not well then I just forget about her!"
If Eomer is evil Zil might be worth a closer look.

Agan, this is the second time you've said this and I'm no less confused than the first time. Since when is flip-flopping an innocent tell? Especially since I know I've seen you make cases on Lommy based on "flip-flopping".
Well not flip-flopping itself but the way she did it. If she's a wolf, I would imagine it's more useful for her to continue pursuing you and Cab.
And you know, my cases against Lommy are a matter of their own, in those I use her every single word against her. ;)

I agree with Gwath about Mira's case. She basically went through what Fea has said done, reached no conclusion and said she's still suspicious of Fea.

I must think about my vote...

[Aganzir]

I don't know what Shasta is up to, I've never seen him behave like that. Maybe it's just that he got some attention. :p

++Izzy

Her Shasta suspicion is weird & she was trying to downplay things that pointed towards Boro & Eomer's not being wolves.

Sorry I have to go, no time for more. I doubt very much I'm going to make it back in time, although I suppose there's a slight chance I can do so...

[Inziladun]

Usually if people don't show up, it's for real life reasons. And well in my opinion Kath is not as much of a background lurker than some people who might have more posts than her (say, Mira & Gwath).

As yet I do not have past histories of players to rely on and am pretty much learning as I go.

Yes you did give your reasons there, but they were more like describing what Kath's been doing and raising a single single thing that looked weird to you.
And as for keeping her in mind, that comment looked pretty opportunistic. Like, "I'll keep her in mind and start suspecting her again if someone else does, too, but if not well then I just forget about her!"
If Eomer is evil Zil might be worth a closer look.

I thought my reasoning no flimsier than that used by others when people have actually been lynched. To each his (or her) own, I suppose.

[the phantom]

Since the deadline is pushed back, I'll definitely be around the final hour or so tomorrow.

I would say this day has been disappointing (as far as very little action), but we're pretty much still stuck on Day 1 at this point, so there isn't much we can do. We haven't found a Baddie yet, and until that happens it's going to be difficult to come up with anything.

So Fea's gotten a couple votes today. I haven't really taken a look at her thus far, but even if I did there isn't much to analyze. And Agan went for Izzy again. I'm tempted to do that as well in hopes that the voting yesterday may actually be proven to mean something.

Meh. I'm not even going to try and make a decision at this point. I'll show up in the morning with a clear head and go whatever direction seems good to me. Good night.

[Gwathagor]

As yet I do not have past histories of players to rely on and am pretty much learning as I go.

Pardon? I mean, how does that relate?

[Isabellkya]

I didn't believe Boro to be evil in any sense. So why would I try to make him look like a wolf?
How does one thing turn into thingS?

[Inziladun]

Pardon? I mean, how does that relate?

Agan seemed to say that Kath did not have a tendancy to be a shadow haunter. I read it to mean 'in Kath's history as a player', of which I don't have much information. If she meant 'in this game I don't see her as a lurker', my statement was not relevant and I humbly retract it.

[Gwathagor]

Agan seemed to say that Kath did not have a tendancy to be a shadow haunter. I read it to mean 'in Kath's history as a player', of which I don't have much information. If she meant 'in this game I don't see her as a lurker', my statement was not relevant and I humbly retract it.

Ok, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

EDIT: Whoa ho ho. 2000 posts as of now!

[Gwathagor]

I don't know what Shasta is up to, I've never seen him behave like that. Maybe it's just that he got some attention. :p

++Izzy

Her Shasta suspicion is weird & she was trying to downplay things that pointed towards Boro & Eomer's not being wolves.

Sorry I have to go, no time for more. I doubt very much I'm going to make it back in time, although I suppose there's a slight chance I can do so...

Wow. GUILTY.

(Bolding of the first two sentences mine.)

[Gwathagor]

Was that too terse? Let me expound.

If Aganzir is talking about the big post that Shasta made earlier toDay, Aganzir's remark doesn't make any sense because Shasta really didn't say anything particularly weird in that post. He did, however, direct some pointed comments in Aganzir's direction and it looks a lot to me like Aganzir is trying to brush it all off as nothin'. Aganzir's flippancy here and other places is making me suspicious.

[Inziladun]

I should probably vote now, as I didn't sleep much the previous night and there's a possibility I won't hear the alarm or will turn it off without waking up.
I don't care for Mira's reason for voting Fea. It appears to be based entirely on past experience playing with her, and is that really what we need at this point if the good guys are to win?
Izzy is a possibility too. She voted early for Mith (2nd vote), than expressed anger that she had not been around at the deadline to retract. She said she had not expected a bandwagon effect. Why vote for someone if you don't want them lynched? She claimed to have not noticed Shasta's miscount. She berates him for voting Mith and not giving good reasons, when her reason was that all Mith's posts were 'empty filler', 'banter', and 'spam'.
I'm about to fall asleep in my chair now, so it's

++ Izzy

Edit- 1000 posts!!!!

[Gwathagor]

Alright then.

++Aganzir

Good night.

[Isabellkya]

Shasta + Aganzir = Nefarious Mates.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta + Aganzir = Shastaganzir?

[Isabellkya]

Ha. Haha.

Not quite.

Care to share your suspicions?
Or are you just going to skip that toDay, and go straight to the bandwagoning Mr. Nefarious?

[Isabellkya]

Izzy is a possibility too. She voted early for Mith (2nd vote), than expressed anger that she had not been around at the deadline to retract. She said she had not expected a bandwagon effect. Why vote for someone if you don't want them lynched? She claimed to have not noticed Shasta's miscount. She berates him for voting Mith and not giving good reasons, when her reason was that all Mith's posts were 'empty filler', 'banter', and 'spam'.

I find person A and person B suspicious. I vote person A. Person B votes person A after me.

That is a bit alarming to me. It speaks in Person A's favor, and person B's disfavor.
Especially if more people vote Person A, and it has turned into a bandwagon.

Bandwagons are nasty things. Most of the time, they are on innocent people. Follow?

What does Shasta's miscount have to do with anything?

Shasta didn't even give a reason as to why he voted for Mith. In my opinion from reading his posts and seeing his behavior. He jumped on a wagon. He didn't even vote for one of his suspects. That is the name of the game if you are innocent - you vote for whom you find suspicious. If you are a baddie, you have ulterior motives, and you aren't looking to lynch your baddie mates.
We are trying to find the baddies - how is posting a bunch of spam, banter, and emptiness going to find the baddies?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I gave a reason earlier on today.

1-4 - Izzy finds it

[Isabellkya]

You didn't give a reason when you voted for Mith.

[Isabellkya]

Ha. Haha. Hahaha.

*dies laughing*

Oh no. Nononono. It can not possibly be that easy.

[Nerwen]

I gave a reason earlier on today.

1-4 - Izzy finds it

Eh! You don't give odds, and I won't make arrows. Deal?

(Further comments pending after I've read everything.)

[Nerwen]

Place your bets now!

Izzy will actually explain the reason behind her outburst of fiendish laughter. (4-1)

[Isabellkya]

I will, Nerwen.

Just re-reading for further insight. ;)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eomer- I don't think you ever answered the question I asked at the beginning of the day. Are you the RB?

Right-back? Nay, I was usually left-back in the school fitba team.

Oh, you mean a role in this game. Robber Bridegroom? Er, no. Sorry. Why are you asking? You think it'll be that easy?

Hey Kath, are you the RB? :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Now, Shasta and Gwath: just... hold your horses, eh? You're giving me a row about not keeping my Seer-hints to myself?

Did you see the way Mithalwen was acting? And do you not suspect the wolves would be asking each other, perhaps, "Yo, what's up with Mith?" (had she not been lynched, of course.)

Normally we shouldn't be discussing who the Seer is but in a case like yesterday's, when one of the lynch-candidates is clearly screaming "I have a secret!" why try to cover up the elephant in the room?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Gwath, even though Aganzir keeps chipping away at me (and I'll answer that last one in a moment) I'm not sure I get your vote.

Shasta is acting a bit strange; I'm not sure why you limit Aganzir's thoughts to that one long post he made. And just going for it in a Eureka moment? I guess you can still retract if you want to.

Still, I feel uneasy picking sides between the three of you right now. Hrm...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Not twisting - paraphrasing. ;)
It sort of looked like you slipped Izzy is innocent or something. And no, I didn't see you were talking about the beginning of the day. If there was something that indicated so, point it out, please.

Well, there was nothing to indicate it; you're making assumptions about my meaning, and then asking me to prove myself. If I don't answer this then I look more suspicious to you; now that I am answering it, I'm coming across as defensive to everyone else (and you too, probably). But oh well, I wouldn't have it any other way.

I have said nothing, nothing, to do with Izzy. I was speaking about Mithalwen only. I asked "Why would it matter if we killed Mith over any other innocent?" - this means: What made Mithalwen special?

You skipped over the whole point of the sentence and saw meaning in the superfluous words at the end: you have Izzy on the brain, I think, even if some of us don't. :p

And that does it: now I'm going to have to judge Izzy's case. Was it last game I helped get her lynched? Let's see what happens now. She's been *cliche alert* flying under my radar *end cliche* so far.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And is anyone going to speak about why Mithalwen wanted to kill Shasta? What was that all about?

Now: apologies for this, but it seems no-one else is around. I will now disappear for a couple of hours at least. ;)

[Nerwen]

And is anyone going to speak about why Mithalwen wanted to kill Shasta? What was that all about?

Still there? I've said it already: she must have had a strong hunch and/or been persuaded of the validity of her own reasoning.

She can't have known he was evil... not in her role.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

As per Izzy's ultimatum (stop giving me ultimatums, dearheart, or I'll be forced to post your real name in this thread for everyone to see!), I will be voting someone I have voiced suspicion on. Whee.

++Eomer

....Oh come on. It was only a matter of time. :p

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eomer ... go for Shata tomorrow it is worth it . please .... make the wolves kill me or ..... this will mean you are another Ordo down.

Yep, this be a strange one to decipher.

Ok, ok, Shasta comes out on Day One and professes that he is an Ordo. This was seen by some as strange, though I thought "fair enough" seeing how the majority of villagers have some sort of role.

But in this village, as has been remarked upon, this is a clear invitation, whether deliberate on Shasta's part or not, for the BBW to choose him. There's a fair chance he has been chosen by BBW, and a decent enough chance of him actually being LRC - and thus a wolf.

Is it enough to go on? Maybe he was bluffing and was a wolf to begin with, or possibly even a good gifted. And there was originally a greater chance of him being a normal Ordo, but now that Nienna and Lommy have been proven normal...

[Nerwen]

ToDay will set a new record for dodgy voting (2-1)

Why, how nice of you to join the party, Shasta!

Seriously, has there been one single vote so far that hasn't been really, really questionable?

EDIT:X'd with Eomer.

[Nerwen]

Is it enough to go on? Maybe he was bluffing and was a wolf to begin with, or possibly even a good gifted. And there was originally a greater chance of him being a normal Ordo, but now that Nienna and Lommy have been proven normal...

Ahem. I explained this yesterDay: Wilwa said she wouldn't tell us if Red Cap were to die before being turned, so it could have been Lommy or Nienna– the odds of Shasta being LRC haven't changed.

(The odds that he's been checked by the BBW, on the other hand...)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lari for Boro: doesn't like the way he sounds. Pretty meaningless vote.

Gaurcrist for Boro: gut feeling vote.

Kath for Eomer: something to do with Lommy's posts - unexplained really.

Mirandir for Fea: Hmm. Unclear.

Boro for Mith.

Sally for Eomer: another gut feeling vote.

Gwath for Boro: consistency with previous vote.

Izzy for Mith: she thought Mith's posts were lacking substance.

Shasta for Mith: because he preferred her to Boro or Eomer.

Inziladun for Kath: unexplained.

Nerwen for Izzy: rather her than Boro, Mith or Eomer.

Aganzir for Izzy: rather her than Boro or Mith.

Mith for Izzy: self-preservation, I guess.

Phantom for Izzy: I guess instead of Boro or Mith.

Green for Mith: rather her than Izzy or Boro.

Eomer for Shasta: can't decide between Boro, Mith and Izzy.

McCaber for Mith: unexplained.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ahem. I explained this yesterDay: Wilwa said she wouldn't tell us if Red Cap were to die before being turned, so it could have been Lommy or Nienna– the odds of Shasta being LRC haven't changed.

(The odds that he's been checked by the BBW, on the other hand...)

Ack, sorry. Bad Eomer, back to the cellar with ye...

That's the second time I've misread the rules. :rolleyes:

Ignore me henceforth.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Now, a lot of the votes yesterday, when people were choosing between Boro, Mith and Izzy, are interesting. It might be worth lynching Izzy on the off-chance that she is a wolf, because if so it will give us loads of info. I think this was mentioned before but now I see it for myself.

Also, Gwathagor's voting has been just really horrible. Voting Boro on the first day, apparently because he had decided beforehand to vote for him; then Boro again on the second day, to keep consistent; and now Aganzir totally out-of-the-blue on one comment that no-one else has even picked up on.

[Isabellkya]

Going on voting along, and disregarding reasons.... When I say lead, I mean whom would end up getting lynched.

Day One

Lari -> Phantom
Boro -> phantom 2
Mira -> Sally
Mith -> phantom 3
Kath -> Lommy
Sally -> Agan
Fea -> Boro
Gwath -> Boro 2
Nienna -> Fea
Shasta -> Boro 3
Lommy -> Shasta
Eomer -> Nienna
Boro -- phantom 2
Izzy -> Shasta 2
Zil -> Nienna 2
GReenie -> Shasta 3
Mith -- phantom 1
phantom -> Lari
Lommy -- Shasta 2
-> Nienna 3
Boro -> Nienna 4
Caber -> Nienna 5
Agan -> Shasta 3
Mith -> Shasta 4

Boro puts phantom into an early lead. Mith adds to it. Shasta puts Boro in the lead about halfway through the votes. Boro retracts and keeps himself in the lead. Greenie puts Shasta in the lead. Lommy puts Nienna in the lead with her retraction and revote. Boro and Caber propel Nienna further into the lead. Agan and Mith try to bring Shasta back.

Greenie putting Shasta in the lead - is either a mate hopping on the wagon to make herself look better in the future; or they aren't mates at all.
Caber looks like he was hopping on the wagon.
_________


Day Two

Lari -> Boro
Guar -> Boro 2
Kath -> Eomer
Mira -> Fea
Boro -> Mith
Sally -> Eomer 2
Gwath -> Boro 3
Izzy -> Mith 2
Shasta -> Mith 3
Zil -> Kath
Nerwen -> Izzy
Agan -> Izzy 2
Mith -> Izzy 3
phantom -> Izzy 4
Greenie -> Mith 4
Eomer -> Shasta
Caber -> Mith 5

Gaur puts Boro in the lead. Sally puts Eomer in the lead. Gwath puts Boro back in the lead. Shasta puts Mith in the lead. Mith puts Izzy in the lead. phantom furthers Izzy into the lead. Greenie puts Mith back in the lead. Caber furthers Mith in the lead.

Greenie's, phantom's, and Caber's votes look the most wagon hoppish.
________



Out of both days, I think Caber looks pretty bad for his wagon hopping votes; not to mention he was involved in lynching two innocents.


I know I had another point to this, but I feel my brain starting to shut down.


X'd since Nerwen's #467.

[Isabellkya]

Shasta, when and where did I give you an ultimatum? Sorry to say, but you don't scare Christina. Hah!

Honestly, not the direction I figured you to vote. But I see. Doesn't make you any less foul.

Really Eomer, lynching me on the off-chance I am a wolf? At least try to come up with a valid and rational case.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Disagree with it all you want but there's nothing irrational about it. I'm not saying I'm for it but it's an option for the village.

[Kath]

Ouch sorry for the late arrival guys. Last night just didn't happen for me! Am I right in thinking by the way that I have an hour and a half until deadline?

Gone reading.

[Kath]

Oh yeah, and having skimmed this page, why does Eomer have so many posts and why did Izzy have maniacal laughter?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Leaning towards innocent:

Aganzir (despite her testing me :p ), Nerwen, Gaurcrist (maybe).

Thinking evil:

Phantom, Gwath, Kath, Greenie, Lari.

In between

McCaber, Inziladun, Fea, Mirandir, Izzy and.... Shasta.

[Nerwen]

Disagree with it all you want but there's nothing irrational about it. I'm not saying I'm for it but it's an option for the village.

Yes, but let's not allow it to become the only option, hey? There are people around who look more actually evil than Izzy... I mean, I really didn't have terribly good reasons for voting her yesterDay

of both days, I think Caber looks pretty bad for his wagon hopping votes; not to mention he was involved in lynching two innocents.

Yes... I wouldn't mind betting McCaber's a baddie... Probably only the Robber Bridegroom, though– unless Izzy herself is a wolf.

Reasoning: if all the favourites last Night were innocent, there's no reason for a wolf to stick his neck out like that, except to save a packmate. Getting the Seer wouldn't count, because I don't think Mith would have looked Seerish to the wolves... but she might have to the RB.

EDIT: And, of course, much the same logic applies to Greenie.

EDIT: X'd since Eomer at 477.
EDIT2:Clarification.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well Kath, in Lommy's game I decided to become a loudmouth again, like I was in the early Werewolf games. I had become a shadowy figure since then, so now I've reverted back to annoying guy who should be killed. :p

Eomer, thank you, but I am running out of time one way or another and "I maun dree my weird".:(

Where're Nilp or Sauce when you need them? All I got is 'maiden'.

[Nerwen]

why did Izzy have maniacal laughter?

Well, she says she's going to explain.

12-1 says she never will.

[Kath]

Hmm now it seems people are confused over my vote from yesterDay, or at least Inzil and Eomer are. Clearly some people are too lazy to go back and look for the previous post!

So:
Now here's something. From the post before I'd have guessed that Lommy would vote Nienna, then suddenly she has a flip-flop and ends up voting Shasta. Eomer seems to cross-post a bit with his vote for Nienna and I wonder whether he was going for a safe position in a bandwagon there.

Was my reasoning.

I'm also slightly confused by Inzil's reasoning for voting me yesterDay:
Kath has been calmly dropping in from time to time, offering a few perfectly legitimate observations, than quietly disappearing. She has set her vote for Eomer, who I haven't gotten much from, and offered no good reason for doing so.
So ... I have good observations, and I'm calm ... and thus am suspicious? And, I did so have a reason for voting Eomer. *points up*

Off to help unpack shopping, back in a bit.

[Kath]

Well Kath, in Lommy's game I decided to become a loudmouth again, like I was in the early Werewolf games. I had become a shadowy figure since then, so now I've reverted back to annoying guy who should be killed.
Ah, I see. Interesting possible bluff.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Voting me because I cross-posted? :confused:

:D You are certainly not off the hook.

[the phantom]

Wow. Lots of posts to read. Unfortunately it looks like one big mess to me.

Is Izzy still around? What was the deal with the laughing?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lari for Fea: because she's been quiet. You couldn't make it up. :D (Well you could but you wouldn't have to.)

Gaurcrist for Phantom: I'm sure we all sympathise with this.

Mirandir for Fea: seems to have a case, here. Not sure what to make of it.

Aganzir for Izzy: Not sure what to make of this either. It's at least interesting.

Inziladun for Izzy: hmm.

Gwathagor for Aganzir.

Shasta for Eomer.

Fea, 2
Phantom 1
Izzy, 2
Aganzir, 1
Eomer, 1

[Nerwen]

Mirandir for Fea: seems to have a case, here. Not sure what to make of it.

*shrugs*

Well, she titled her post, "The case against Fea," rambled for a bit, failed to explain what the case consisted of, then voted her anyway.

[Isabellkya]

Aganzir - She is foul. She looks really helpful and has been on the consistent road thus far, until toDay.

Why didn't you use that as your reason yesterDay? How did one comment about reading the Miss Red particulars, turn into plural things? Why would I do such a thing when I thought Boro innocent, and Eomer no idea? How is my suspicions of Shasta weird? He has been exhibiting foul behavior. On Day One, you were quite ready to lynch him for damage limitation. Damage limitation because he either was your mate, or would become your mate? Shasta received attention eh? Like the attention a Rabid Wolf gives to an ordo when turning them to the dark side? That kind?

Caber - I don't really know what to make of him. His Day one and Day Two votes look quite bandwaggony, and that is about all I can say towards him.

Eomer - He is puzzling me. He seems quite noncommittal, and content to stay that way. To make quick forays into the world of suspicions, then retreat quickly back. He definitely follows the current fad.

Fea - You know. Good Question.

Gaur - I think him probably innocent.

Greenie - Quite in the middle for me. She doesn't stick out in any way. I'm tending to lean innocent at the moment.

Gwath - Save for some early identity-crisis, I have no read on him.

Izzy - EyeZeeZeeWhy

Kath - She is still alive, so I think her guilty. She hasn't tried lynching me yet, so I think her innocent.

Lari - Feel better.

Mira - Her case on Fea is weak. Other than that, I don't know what to say about her; given that she didn't continue to give me a reason to vote for her.

Nerwen - She is looking innocent, middle of nowhere to me. I can't recall if she has made a complete list of her thoughts on everyone.

Phantom - I think he is off his game.

Shasta - He is foul. I wouldn't expect him to be so sloppy, unless he is an Ordo wanting to be turned, or the Cobbler.

Zil - He seems to be middle of the road, with leaning guilty. He goes with the flow of what other people say a bit too much.

X'd since Nerwen's #483

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Precisely. Cases can be good or bad. Mirandir seems to have put a little bit of effort into getting words down in the hope of the other villagers ignoring it but nevertheless passingit off as 'a case'.

In other news, far is abody? :confused:

[Kath]

So I'm going to have a speedy look at what's been going on toDay and then vote. We're off out in not too much time I think.

Lari - is ill so I guess gets a free pass for toDay.

Agan - says Eomer looks wolvish if he thought Mith was the Seer but didn't bother trying to save her.

phantom - feels only knowledge of Izzy's role will tell us about the voters. Makes sense. Wants to look at Izzy, Nerwen and Eomer. Questions Shasta.

Gaurcrist - list of 'bads' but no reasons. Despite the way it's said, mildly fair point on phantom. There really is no point in saying 'guess I was right' after the fact. But then most of us do that. Votes phantom, whom he really seems to have taken against.

Inzil - I hate to say this because it's me who you're finding suspicious, but don't give up on your suspicions because no one else is sharing them. Unless they're the Seer or a wolf no one in the village has any more knowledge than you do, and are no more likely to be right. Anyway, apart from that wants to hear more from McCaber, Fea, Shasta and Gwath. Now I agree about most of those but Shasta has been pretty vocal. Says he has no idea about phantom.

McCaber - defends phantom. Explains himself, fairly I feel.

Izzy - says Shasta is hypocritical because he voted Mith without giving reasons. Was this the case?

Right sorry this is as far as I'm able to get. I'm actually not very happy about Eomer. I feel that my reasoning from yesterDay is fair and his response to suspicions seems to be to roll his eyes at them which, if he's innocent, isn't a great way to deal with them if only because it gets people's backs up! Otherwise I'm not thrilled by Gaurcrist, two Days in the village and we're still not getting reasons for things and Izzy because she hasn't explained herself and there's only half an hour until deadline.

So:

++EOMER

[Isabellkya]

Indeed, Izzy is still here.

The maniacal laughter. It was an epiphany moment.
Well you see, I believe I've got three of four Nefarious baddies. Five if you count the Cobbler, since they can still take out Cinderella.
Which is why I said it couldn't be that easy.


X'd with Kath.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Awesome. The game is won! :D

[Nerwen]

The maniacal laughter. It was an epiphany moment.
Well you see, I believe I've got three of four Nefarious baddies. Five if you count the Cobbler, since they can still take out Cinderella.

...Well? You can't just leave it at that.

[Isabellkya]

I KNOW! Huh?!?!

The jury is still out on whether I'm capable of trusting my own epiphanies at such an hour. Then again at such an hour, I get a bit loopy. You know what they say about loopy people.



X'd with Nerwen.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hmm, now she's stalling. Someone's just trying to avoid the noose, eh? :p

*keep provoking her, it's our only hope*

[Isabellkya]

++ Shasta

He feels the utmost foulest to me. For a more elaborated reason, see all of my previous posts about him.


X'd with Eomer.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Aganzir - Eeeeevil? I always wish I was the seer so I could learn people and then lay hints.

Caber - I've seen some of his votes look dodgy.

Eomer - Welcome back, brash darling. But I still want to know why Mith was so confident in you and so against Shasta. Apart from Shasta looking dodgy, I mean...

Gaur - New kid. *shrug*

Greenie - I forgot she was even playing.

Gwath - I wish he'd explain what put him off of Aganzir. I know why I think she's dangerous and it reflects much of the flippancy others have noted, but it was Gwath that bolded that snatch of writing, right? And my reaction was, "Wait... what's wrong with what she said?" And it looks like nobody else really got his aha moment either.

Izzy - Eye don't particularly zee zee why. But I'm pretty sure she's inventing. I'm with the others about wanting to kill her to find out what she's on about.

Kath -

Lari - Ill. And since I have to bring her poor illness home after a long flight, I'll be nice to her. Besides: she hasn't done anything to make me feel like I need to lynch her anyway. She comes across as totally innocent (if not unGifted).

Mira - Made a weak case against me, most likely out of desperation to make some sort of case at all.

Nerwen - I keep getting Nerwen's posts slightly confused with Izzy's, so it's possible that I actually think Nerwen's the one that's been acting off her rocker, and am just attributing it to the wrong person in my mind. :rolleyes:

Phantom - I concur. Off his feed.

Shasta - Is amusing me to no end with his shenanigans, but is also concerning me because when I see somebody start emulating the phantom, I assume that person is trying to get killed. Robber Bridegroom? *reminds self to check roles and rules yet again to see what's possible*

Zil - Doesn't really say or do anything to stick out to me. In fact, the most noticeable thing about him is his very bright avatar. :rolleyes:

Since I don't think Izzy is actually the seer (I - it should be a given - think somebody else is), I am forced to assume she's either protecting somebody or she's evil.

Or both.

Blah.

I really loathe games where I'm nothing particularly special. I get bored with my lack of inside knowledge.

++Izzy

It's also a given that I'd like to avoid the noose. So yes: I'm voting partly to save myself, and partly because her actions freak me out.

[the phantom]

Okay, so, Izzy is certain that Shasta and Agan are bad.

If she's right, then she's definitely dead tonight (without a FGM save).

You know that, don't you Izzy?